Draft Show: Finding Value On Day 2

going into day two. You've got some really solid corners still there, and Christian Fulton and then even Trevon Diggs out of Alabama that are still available. Are they going to fall to fifty one? You don't know. But somebody asked me today about Antoine Winfield junior, and they said, hey, what's the chance that a player like him, like Antoine Winfield falls to fifty one? And I said, it's more likely than Ceedee Lamb falling to seventeen. And that happened.

So you could see something like that happening again. The Cowboys got extremely lucky, and round number one they address the offense. You can kind of put that behind you now unless you really wanted to add an interior offensive lineman. But I still think that's a Day three pick. You gotta go defense with both of these selections. Yeah, I think the depth of this draft and you look at it's surprising to me though, that you have those defensive

ends still on the board with epin Sa Grossmatos. You know, I think that you talk about defensive interior with Blacklock, Mattabekee, even Davidson from Auburn. I you know, those are guys. Three quality guys right there on my board with Bond the linebacker there, gather Davis from from Apps State as a guy. You can talk about linebackers, but look at the corners and look at the safeties, digs Fulton, I have Danzler from Mississippi State. I know a lot of

people are dinging him because of his speed. I promise you guys, I could have got him faster if we'd went to Starkville. But you know he's a quality, quality corner. You watch him cover all these sec receivers. But the safeties, the safeties, you know, Xavier McKinney, delpit Chin from Southern Illinois. There's a lot of quality. And I think that Stephen Jones, you know everybody's asking us on our shows, Hey, you're gonna go up. You're gonna try and find a way

to go up in this job. I think if he sits right there, he's gonna fall have one of these defensive players fall right in his lap, and it might be the guy that he absolutely wants. You're gonna have a quality guy at fifty one. It's almost a certain just looking at top twenty players in this round. Even if you stay put at fifty one, you don't give up any draft capital. I agree completely, Brian. I think fifty one's a sweet spot for some of those safeties

to fall. It might not be delp It or McKinney, but you mentioned Chin. There's also Kyle Dugger in that conversation, and then Antoine Winfield Junior. There's plenty of options. Dane, how does your board set up going into Day two and how does that sort of jive with what the Cowboys may be hoping to see. Yeah, we're gonna see a lot of running backs off the board here pretty quickly, I think with JK. Dobbins still around, DeAndre Swift, Jonathan Taylor,

and then I mean talking about these dvs. We didn't have a single safety in the first round and not surprised by that. I didn't have a single first round grade on any of these safeties. But this is the

sweet spot for a safety. Now, starting in the second round, we could see five, maybe even six off the board and the next forty picks and then these corners that Brian mentioned with Fulton and with Diggs, and you know Diggs especially, is that a player that in if the first sixteen picks played out a certain way, could they have considered Digs at seventeen and would he be available at fifty one? Is that a possibility? So a really interesting dynamic with these corners here in the second round,

how early they come off the board. But that's when you see at Jordan Brooks off the board in the first round. You see in Noah igbinogaty guys that you didn't expect. That's going to push other good players to the second round. And this draft is full of really good players. I think the fact that yesterday we saw four or five trades, only one trade included Day two picks, and that tells you with the general managers in this

league think of the Day two talent this year. They did not want to sacrifice Day two picks because they know they're gonna come up with starters tonight with their picks. Dave Hellman, how are you feel feeling kind of going into day two here, with what the plans might be and with what the player pool looks like? This is a perfect setup for a coward like me. Guys, I'm glad to see you haven't changed, Dave. Self awareness is key, good,

old Dave. If I'm sitting here like Brian brought us and I want to give up everything, please do No? Why would I do that? Lo? I'm just look like, guys, look, let's take a look at really what's facing the Cowboys here. You've got eighteen picks to go until you pick again. You've taken care of your receiver, and let's just consider some of these names that we sort of touched on that are probably gonna go soon here. Whether it's DeAndre Swift,

whether it's Ezra Cleveland, JK. Dobbins out of Ohio State. You got some receivers, T Higgins, maybe Michael Pittman. Is it starting to sound like some really, some really good defenders are gonna get pushed down the board. Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. And you think about guys we know the Cowboys have had their eye on, whether it's Xavier McKinney, whether it's Grant Delpit, Christian Fulton. The list goes on and on. Somebody they really like has a great shot to be there. And I'm just

gonna sit and let it come to me. I don't have to do anything crazy. Let's let's play a little game here for everybody. Can I ask you a question? How does your board you got to dare you? Oh? Yeah, sure? Yeah? I mean I'm curious about who you've got left on your board. So my only guy with better than a second round grade, I liked Zach bond as a one two. I'd like to thank Dane Brugler for paving the way for all of us to be cowards and not have to commit to a round grade be able to split

the difference there. So Zach Bonn at Wisconsin's my final one two, And then I got a whole bunch of twos that I think that the Cowboys should be really happy if they end up picking them at fifty one. And that's the game I want to play. I'm going to name a player, and you tell me if you'd be happy to have him on your football team at fifty one. Grant delpittlate, Yes, yes, Xavier McKinny Diggs very much, relutely Christian folk yep, sure, yeah, Antoine Winfield yep, yep.

Questionable Ross Blacklock. Wow. Wait wait, we'll go back and we'll we'll go after Brianon's second Ross Blacklock. Yes, happy with Blacklock. Yes at fifty one. Okay, you two were gross mottos m at fifty one for it? Yes, yep, no, absolutely not even at fifty one. I don't like. I'm glad to see somebody else has joined the party here. I don't like up in this. I'm just saying I ran through eight or nine names. That will how many picks away? Is it? Dave? Like? Until those names start

disappearing really really quickly. You don't got a panic about anything. It's eighteen picks and you just read off nine and we didn't name a single offensive player. Nope, so I didn't. Yeah. I'm feeling mighty fine right now. Yeah, now, Brian who are you hating on there? I was hating on Winfield, but not hating on Winfield. I'm hating on Winfield only because I'd have other safeties I have three safeties I'd rather have than him. I'd rather have McKinney, I'd rather

have Delpit, and I'd rather have Chin. Those are the three we haven't mentioned, Ashton Davis or Terrell Burgess. Burgesses let me tell you a little something. Burgess is a third round dream. Yes he is, okay dream. Whether or not he's gonna be there, that's a different question. Dane actually did the full leg work of making a mock draft, which I know how long that takes, so Dane, you

have my thoughts and prayers. It took like three and a half hours to do a first round mock and then you had to do a two three, so I'm sure it took eight hours. Uh. I just ran a simulator and I ended up with Grossmatos and Terrell Burgess, and I threw a party, and Dane, I saw in your mock draft what you had the cowboys do and the party might be even bigger than the one that I had. If it plays out like that, who'd you give him and how realistic do you think it is?

I gave him Trevon Digs, and Diggs isn't going to be for everybody? Now? Does he make it? To fifty one. I don't know about that, but I think Tarrell Burgess in the third round would be a home run at safety. Well, I like the game, first year starter. I think this team what they're looking for culture wise, fit wise, scheme wise, Terrell Burgess has a lot for what they're looking for it in the third round. I think that's where he's gonna go, somewhere in the in the top eighty picks.

And we got the Cincinnati Bengals who are on the clock right now. It's rolling down. Obviously they've already taken Joe Burrow in this draft, but the Bengals are on the clock. You won't miss a pick here on one O five three the fan in Dallas, Cowboys dot com and now Kyle, which you were hating on epines. So weren't you as that what you were doing. Yeah, I'm not as high on him as normal. Now. I do have him at twenty six on my board. That's a little bit high, but I just I don't like him.

I don't tell you for the Cowboys. Got him tifically for the Cowboys, guys, specifically for the Cowboys, but keep him at fifty one. Don't like him welcome to the Draft show. Yeah, hey, that's okay, keep me honest. He had a horrid combine guy. Oh, by combine scares me a lot. Oh. You know there's two different guys on this broadcast with me right now that I've done a

podcast with We called it trust the Tape, Kyle. We we like to trust, which I did, and I gave Eponesta first round grade then after made him a second round grade. So I didn't trust the tape either. But I'm thinking about fifty one. His tip was good and that's why I have him high there. And can I switch the conversation real quick to what are the Bengals gonna do here to kick off the night at thirty three? Uh? They gotta help Joe Burrow, Right, So we're looking at tackle,

we're looking at receiver. Any of the players still available really stand out to you as worthy of the thirty third pick in a direction the Bengals might go, I think this is will they take Mems? I think this, and I think this is what I think the Bengals. It's kind of some scout world is talking about Mems, and I have a feeling that Cincinnati will will make him their pick. I would worry about Tee Higgins still

out there too. See Higgins is But I'm just saying, Okay, they're gonna go why receiver, I've been better than both I just heard. I just yeah, Pittman, I do too. I'm with you. I'm just saying with the Bengals, it seems to be that Mims was a name that the scouts kept talking about. Well, and the other thing with the Bengals, their wide receiver coach, former Baylor wide receiver coach. They know a little bit about Denzel Mims there, so that would be one to keep an eye on. How

about that, Josh Jones, That's who I mocked. You know you get your tackle. They took Jonah Williams in the first round last year. Get more tackle, help help Joe Burrow. I think that's what this pick needs to be about, whether it's offensive tackle or receiver. Keep your number one pick upright. The I know, I know Jonah Williams is coming back from an injury. They should have him. But I mean the Cowboys are proof like having great having

a lot of great offensive lineman's never a bad thing. Now, Dave, are you more on board with offensive line for them? Than receiver because of where the quarterback went to school. Are you more about protecting that guy than a different quarterback. Maybe Joe Burrow could have gone to Ole Miss. And I still still think it's smart to protect an investment. I mean, you drafted the guy number one overall. He's not gonna be able to throw the ball at anybody if he's on his back. I mean, I know Aj

Green's had injuries, but he's still hanging around. And Tyler Boyd has developed into a pretty damn good receiver. So I get that. You can always use more weapons, but protect your number one pick. That's what I would do. Is Josh Jones the number one offensive tackle left. I mean I think out of all the tackles, maybe over Prince Tega or Cleveland, maybe I still have Jones higher than all three of those. Yeah, he's number one on

my board. That's left. You know, as far as I kind of feel like that, that might be a good route to go. So having said that, where there's a debate about who the top tackle is, there's a debate about who the top receiver is, and you could use all those things. If you're the Bengals, there's three minutes on the clock now and the pick's not in. Do

you take phone calls? Yeah? I would have been taking phone calls what the last twenty hours, But I would have guessed we would get a five minute soliloquy from Brian about how trading up to the top of the second is like the fun the most fun thing you can do. Oh. I just kind of thought, Dave, you know what's gonna happen. It is a fun thing to do.

But I was thinking that these teams all saw all the value of these those second round guys, and they were going to treat this like that fourth round we get, you know, the third day, where all of a sudden it's like, no, you're not trading in. I'm taking this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy. You know, That's what I thought was gonna happen. Here. Bengals are taking a little bit longer than I thought they would, to be honest with you, and you're a trade up guy, Brian,

I've become a trade down guy. Well, I know the Giants. I know the Giants wanted to get out of this because the Giants don't have a third round pick and they have round to wait. I was here and they were trying to collect some things. So when we get down,

the Giants pick, but see if that thing gets moved along. Yeah. Well, the way that Zach Taylor's family is kind of surrounding him in his makeshift war room kind of makes me think that they're not trading out of this, So it would be after Indianapolis to where they would make that trade. But I mean, even they said earlier, I know, ian Rapperport kind of came out and said that the Bears were looking to move up very quickly in this round.

So I think you're gonna see some movement a little bit more so than we saw yesterday early in the round. They like that they like Chin the safety, Yeah, that's who they like. I do like the idea of just seeing what their boar rooms look like, or the coach's house looks like, and if the family is there, assume that they're gonna make the pick and that they're gonna if they're gonna trade it, they wouldn't have the family there.

So they do say that the pick is in, and they've got a camera show in te Higgins, the Clemson wide receiver, at his house, but they have not announced that the pick is te Higgins. I guess they're just going to a guy that they thought maybe might go in the first round and showing us his house, and then we'll see who the actual pick is going to be. But the Bengals pick is in. We won't be getting get Dell today, will we. We'll get announcements from somebody else.

I thought I thought he carries through the second round. He announced that he opened he opened the draft. So yeah, a regular on a regular draft, he does the second round. But maybe they changed it up this time. I was gonna say, I'm just relieved. One benefit of doing this thing remotely is nobody has to sit in the damn green room, so good good for them it. Also, I

was amazed at how smoothly it went yesterday. Obviously I didn't have audio because we're broadcasting, but it didn't seem like there were any hiccups or glitches, and I know I had them broadcasting, So the media struggled with it more than the NFL did, which is pretty cool. So the pick is in. Yeah, pick is in, and it looks like we'll get the announcement here shortly as they're running the sweet little graphic that says the pick is

in now, and here's Roger Goodell. With the thirty third pick in the two twenty draft, Cincinnati Bengals select Tim Higgins, heide receiver Clemson. Here you go short, wait for te Higgins and we will talk about that pick, how he fits with Cincinnati. Will get to all of that when we return. We will be right back. You're listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft one oh five three the fan in Dallas Cowboys dot Com. So this is where we'll pick things up here on the Dallas Cowboys dot

Com side and Tie Higgins. Brian, you mentioned earlier that Denzel Mims would have been a little bit of a it would have been a different fit overall with the Dallas Cowboys, but or excuse me, with the Cincinnati Bengals. But Brian, with the Bengals not taking Mims and instead of going with T Higgins here, what do you think about that one? No, I like to pick. I mean, Higgins was one of my I did fifty one for one oh five three, and he was my seventeenth player left.

I mean that was my seventeenth guy. So I was happy. I thought his name was gonna get called last night. I think people are bashing this kid for a lot of wrong reasons here. I mean, I see a guy that will go get the football. I'll see a guy that run at all levels. I'll see a guy that'll separate and make some plays down the field. I'll tell you what, though, Joe Burrow has to be happy to have a guy like this guy and an AJ Green.

I mean, at least throw the ball too. We saw what he did at LSU throwing with really quality wide receivers. This kid could go get it. I like this pick a lot. I think it's interesting that they draft him, and I think he's He's not on the same level as AJ Green, but stylistically there are some similarities there. Tall lean athlete. I think would you like about Higgins is the reflexes, the catch point skills, his ability to

turn those erratic passes into completions. So with te Higgins, I mean some of the some of the worries are warranted. The speed is not great. Play strength is a question mark for me. But when you focus on what he does really well, that's where he can be a weapon for you. And I really like the way that when you watch Burrow on tape, if Burrow gets man coverage on a fly route. Burrow's really happy to make that throw.

And I think if you take aj Green and you take T Higgins, you've got a quarterback that's willing to throw a fifty fifty ball. That sounds like a lot of fun to me, you know, absolutely sounds like a lot of fun. But the fact that Higgins goes before Denzel Man's kind of I think it plays in favor for the Cowboys. Like David said, when the pick was made, that's good news because now you've got another receiver that's

going to go before fifty one. I know Higgins probably would have been in that category regardless, but the more oftensive players that we see early on, the better I was gonna say. I mean, I said it earlier, I would have drafted an offensive tackle. But as long as the names coming up on the board are offensive players, I don't really care. Let's just push these defenders down the board and we'll all be happy. We've got other wide receivers out there too. Michael Pittman Junior. That's there.

The offensive tackles, like we talked about a little bit a little bit earlier with Ezrad Cleveland, Josh Jones, they're all in that conversation. The more and more, like you said, more and more we see these offensive guys, the more exciting it gets in terms of fifty one being just a top notch starting potential. Day one Cowboys pick Indianapolis is my kind of team because they didn't need all the time in the world. They were like, hey, we're up, Yeah, we got our guy. We'll pick him. A feel for

this one. I thought Michael Pittman would be the perfect fit. They're looking for that power forward at receiver, and that's Michael Pittman. He's got the size, he's a better athlete than giving credit for, and he fits culture wise what they want captain special teams guy. Uh, Michael Pittman I think would be a perfect fit for what they're looking for on offense. I think that's a perfect, perfect explanation and just the fit that he has overall, just the

power that he has. Well, it looks like that Michael Pittman is the pick. Oh so good job, there got one right in my Monk draft. There you go, Yeah, Michael Pittman the USC watch. I'll tell you how old I am. I scouted his dad. His dad as a heck of a football player too. Went a Super Bowl with Tampa. So yeah, I mean it's ah this guy right here, I mean you watch him play and he goes and gets the football, big physical guy that makes things happen. I'm a big fan of this this pick.

I actually had him better than men than twenty twenty. NFL Draft continues on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and one five three The Fan. All right, welcome back, Jeff Kavanov. Bryan brought us from one oh five three the Fan along with Kyle Yeoman's, Dave Hellman and Dane Bruegler with Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Is we have Michael Pittman USC wide receiver off the board to the Indianapolis Colts. And we were just talking about, Dane, how kind of you put in the call for this one and thought it

was the right fit, perfect fit. And this is who I mocked to the Colts in my mock draft last night. I just when you look with the Colts offense, t Y Higgins or excuse me, t Y Hilton still can burn you down the field, but they need that power forward on the outside, a guy who can go up and get the football and both schematically and then off the field, he's a team captain, a guy who will

play special teams. He's just a natural fit with that culture and what they're looking for on offense with Philip Rivers, I love Pittman. He was my fifth receiver in this draft class. He was actually the first receiver I watched, and when I was done, I started asking people. I was like, why haven't I heard about this guy more? Six to four and moves like he does, back shoulder, go up and get it, track it. He's just to me, he's just a really polished, really solid player that's not

going to disappoint. You tabbed him as a pet cat the first Draft Show episode of the season, so I think you were right on top of it from the beginning. But one hundred and one receptions from thirty three targets, and the biggest stat to me that sticks out with him is the fact that he forced fourteen miss tackles. He's tough to bring down, and I love the power forward basketball reference that Dane was making because he is just that. He's so tough and he's so slippery at

the same time. I think he's a great fit for that Colt's offense and Dave Hellman. I know, it's very happy as we've gone receiver receiver to open the round. If we can get about eight more of those, that'd be nice. Huh, keep him coming man, Which, ironically, I think the Cowboys really liked Pittman and Higgins obviously. I mean there, let's pick thirty three, thirty four. A lot of people are gonna like him. But no, I mean I think you and I were both joking on Twitter today.

Is spent most of the spring wondering, you know, how the Cowboys could get a receiver to fall to him, and all of a sudden, I really don't care. Yeah, the answer was waiting the first round. Yeah, Detroit is on the clock now at thirty five. We've got t Higgins off the board at thirty three to Cincinnati. At thirty four, we've got Michael Pittman Junior from USC the

receiver going to Indianapolis. Caliber Collision is proud to sponsor the Dallas Cowboys and to recognize the frontline workers keeping a safe. Caliber Collision restoring the rhythm of your life. Visit Caliber Collision dot com to see how Caliber's restoring medical workers and first responders. As we're looking at Bob Quinn, the Lions executive VP and general manager Dane Needs guesses Detroit Lions on the clock. I'd love to see one of the running backs here. I think it was up

to the Lions. They would adapt what the Tennessee Titans did last year. Just run the ball down your throat and set up easy place for your quarterbacks. So only one running back off the board still, Jonathan Taylor's available, JK. Dobbins, DeAndre Swift. Would they go with one of these running backs to add to the backfield and really help open up the offense. Yeah? What about an edge here too?

I mean that's something that we think about with the Lions, you know, and a a guy that with this coach, with Matt, with Patricia, his ability to play with multiple fronts. He needs a guy that could kind of do those kinds of things. Maybe maybe we'll see one of these guys go here's Roger. The second round, with the thirty fifth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select DeAndre Swift, running back Georgia. That is why Dane Brugler is the best there is, the best there was,

and the best there ever will be. As DeAndre Swift is off the board, a good number of people's top running back going to the Detroit Lions. There the guy that has the uncanny ability to make you miss. And like I said, I think the Lions really want to use that running back, use the run game to help out their quarterback, to help out everybody else in the offense.

And they can do that with DeAndre Swift, who I mean, I think he's one of the top thirty players in this draft, but here he is available early second round, tremendous value for Detroit. You're creeping towards the Cowboy pick, where now it's the New York Giants on the clock. The hated New York Giants are on the clock now, and obviously they have already taken Andrew Thomas there in

the first round. So as we're trying to get a handle on the direction they might go and the things that they could use to improve that roster, Brian, you got to handle on that. Yeah, I'll tell you what. This was a pick that they were talking about trading, but with the pick now being in, I kind of feel like that that they they're gonna go a couple of different ways here that the Giants are the offensive

tackle they dressed out last night. I mentioned now the edge, what are they going to do with that wide receivers of possibility here? Even they were talking about center and safety as well as a couple of different positions. So you know, I keep mentioning those guys the grossmato's the epinessas we'll see what Dave Gettleman goes. But to keep an eye on the edge, wide receivers, safeties and maybe

even a center here. Is it fair to guess that, you know, much like we're talking about the Cowboys, a lot of these you know, everybody's like, oh man, we feel really good about what's available. There's no need to try to do something crazy and get into the top

of this round. I think so, I mean, I thought I saw I think it was a Schefter tweet where he said somebody in the NFL said something about this is the deepest second or third round he's ever seen, and there could be as many Pro bowlers in the second round as there is in the first. And maybe we feel that to some extent every year. I think when you do the work, you have a lot of guys that you end up really liking. But it does feel better this year. I think my board looks pretty

stacked up in the second and third rounds. Does that hold true for everybody else? Yeah? No, I feel really good. I mean when I was typing all the guys that were still available on my board, I was feeling like, man, this is not there's not reaching here. There's like quality throughout this year. I think the Lions so far, I've had a pretty good draft, by the way, with Akuta and then Swift, I mean, I think they've hit a

couple of nice picks here. But yeah, that the depth of the draft overall, especially in that second round, is pretty remarkable, especially with some of these defensive guys. And I'm a little worried that the Giants are gonna probably take one of those safeties that the Cowboys are looking at, whether it be McKinney or delp it here, because I mean, they need some help in that secondary. That was obvious

last night. And I think if Okuda maybe would have fallen a one more pick to fall out of the Lions lap, maybe they would have taken him instead of an offensive tackle. But I mean, I think overall, you look here as these next couple of picks You've got the Giants that could use a safety, the Panthers that could use a safety, and then the Dolphins who could use some defensive lion help. So I think there's a

potential for a run here defensively. But like you guys are saying, I think a lot of those guys could end up being Pro Bowlers and just aren't in the first round because of the depth that's there. No why you just wished a bunch of defensive picks though out there. It's kind of message. Really, see it happening, is all it is. I'm just throwing that out there. Guy, how you're being kind of a bummer tonight? You really are. I'm sorry, bad mood. I don't know. I'm about what

That's the thing. I'm in a great mood. It's Draft day. There's nothing vibe. Then four straight offensive picks, We're fine. I wonder if there's I wonder if there's anything that the Cowboys could do tonight that would offset what they did yesterday, because I can't remember the last time I don't even want to think about that. I can't remember the last time that the silence during the draft was

celebratory as opposed to shock. Because I know we've been there a couple of times in shock without a lot of words to say after a cowboy pick, but not in the same way we were after the Cedee Lamp pick. Y'all's audio yesterday was one of my favorite things to go back and watch, just the pure giggles from Cavanaugh and then Brian exclaiming to the world that they did it. I thought that was perfect. What was your guys' reaction? Was it similar? We cracked open Miller lights? Is what happened?

Oh so you guys probably did it actually better than we did. That's awesome. I don't think we were as animated as y'all though. Well, we just we wanted to believe that somebody would draft for just their boards, play the best player. We were just all week long, we on the radio, we've been talking about Okay, get ready, it's about need. In the first round. They always take need.

Everybody takes need, and we were trying to prepare all our listeners that that was going to be the case, and they did something that I didn't think they were gonna do. Let me let me throw this earway, bright guy, because I don't get to do radio with you as often as I used to. Do you think that that signifies a philosophical change with this new coaching staff, or do you think Ceedee Lamb was just that obvious that even if Jason Garrett had been the head coach, they

would have done it anyway. Yeah, maybe the fact that the coaches weren't in the room, or maybe they didn't have a chance to bend somebody's ear, you know, I think Jerry and Stephen and you know what I learned was there was this was one of the best discussions they had about a player, you know. I mean, they

really talked themselves through this one. And maybe it wasn't a bunch of guys, maybe there wasn't a bunch of influencing going on, but they had to tag on their board and the six at the stack, you know, in that sixth overall spot, and that's you know, when it's like that, man, it's easy to see, you know, and so good for them. But I think a lot of it had a lot of not many voices in the

room on that one. I wonder how much of that is one of the positives of not having continuity, because continuity meant that you had a lot of voices that were trusted by the front office, that were trusted by Jerry Jones, and if they were interested in players, they were interested in players, and he would listen to it. And I wonder if when you get a brand new head coach, if he doesn't just come in and go, I just got here, Yeah, who's the top player, who's

the best guy on the board. We'll figure it out. Bill Parcells did that when he first came to us. He sat back in that first draft oh three and watched everybody work. And that's you know, he just said, Okay, I'm an No. Four. He tore you up. Then he tore yeah exactly, and then No. Five I tore him back, and then I was out of a job. But but that, you know, that's where I think that you know, coaches are smart if they come in and say, okay, let's see how these guys going to operate. And the head

coach of Dallas Cowboys does have some opinion. He does, whether you want to take it or not about personnel. So now it is the New York Giants on the clock, and here is Roger Goodell, Specialist Smith and thank you to all our service members both here and around the world. We cannot thank you enough for what you do and what you continue to do in these uncertain times. Thank you. With the thirty six pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft,

the New York Giants select Xavier McKinney, defensive back Alabama. Boo. Giants love taking those Bama safeties at the top of the second round. Landon Collins. You know, never really thought that McKinney was a good player, so I'm really worried about that one. So that's that's probably the first Cowboys target off the board here in the second round, as Xavier McKinney will be headed to the New York Giants and you get to deal with him a couple of

times a year. Who is the biggest Xavier McKinney fan who wants to go scouting report on McKinney fired at him, Dane, You know, he is my top safety. I do have some questions about him holding up in coverage, but this is a player who had ten turnover worthy plays the last two years, talking about forced fumbles and interceptions. I think he's a better run defender than in pass coverage. But this is an all around safety who is very smart.

The coach is good about for him in Alabama. I think there's a lot to like about him as he projects to the next level. I don't know that he's ever going to be a Pro Bowl level player, but he's gonna be a solid starter for a long time. Anybody wanted to go up for him, Oh, absolutely not, not with what's available. Although I will say I wouldn't be surprised if he was their top guy heading into today,

And that doesn't mean they expected him to fall. But we heard whispers that they might have taken him seventeen in the right set of circumstances, or maybe in a trade back to the twenties. So if they liked him that much, it's a reasonable guest that he would have been one of their top guys tonight. Um. I don't think it was ever realistic to think he lasted that long, but it still hurts to see him go after just

four picks. Yeah. I spent a lot of time yesterday Dave, thinking, man, this is going to come down to aj Terrell for the Cowboys or but then you had the Rugs pick, and then you had the kin Law pick, and it was like, well wait, wait, wait a second. Here it went from being. It went from like planning for a worst case to scenario to like do it? Dare I dream very quickly somewhere yeah, somewhere around pick twelve. It's time for the New England Patriots at number thirty seven.

Here is the commission in the twenty twenty NFL Draft in New England Patriots like Kyle Duggar defensive back nor Rhyne Okay Dane, tell me about Kyle Dugger because I will tell you, out of the top one hundred players in this draft, he's the only one. And I tried. I've tried tweeting the school. I tried, but I couldn't get the all twenty two. So I had to try to grade him from the blimp cam and I'm not

comfortable with that. So tell me about Kyle Dugger. You have to look past the dcal and the helmet because Division two here, so the competition is not exactly what you want. But he was a big time player at the D two levels. I know some teams looked at him as even a linebacker, so we'll have to see how the Patriots use him. Really rangey player, he can cover, he can run, He's a big time punt returner at

the D two level as well. So a little older than you want for a player, I just turned twenty four years old, but the talent level, I don't have a question. This isn't just a late bloomer who ended up at the D two level, but he is a big time playmaker and certainly worthy of a top forty pick. All right, So there you go. That's New England. The Carolina Panthers are on the clock at number thirty eight, and we will have that pick for you here in

just a little bit. You are listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com bank. You're on the internet side of things. Back to back safety is going in the order between the Giants and the Patriots. Xavier McKinney. Kyle Dugger now off the board and continuing that conversation on Kyle Dugger and looking past the logo on the

side of the helmet. A late bloomery. I mean he started at five six all the way through the early parts of his high school career and then its senior year, he all of a sudden spurred it up to six foot one and then that's where he ended up going. But just an extreme athlete and the guy who's gonna impact the Patriots. This is such a Patriots type of

pick though, to be honest, that it just fits that mold. Yeah, you know the question I have for you guys is that, Okay, of of the of Dugger and Windfield, who are you going to take? Who? Those short? Those short? And you have to think about, Oh, is this are we in a situation where Minnesota or lelnor Ryan or is this it is Dugger the better player? Dugger's the better player. I think Dugger's a better player, honest day. We actually no, I don't, No, I don't. It's still Windfield. I keep

getting scared by the hype, but I don't understand. Don't be Why Why should I be scared by? That is the youngest old school scout I've ever seen in my life, the youngest scared school dude. I sorry, like Antoine Winfield, but five nine should scare you? Am I crazier? Did Tyrone Matthew not just get named all decade? I'm pretty sure he did. Oh man, you're talking, Come on, so you're telling me he's the honey badger. You're telling me he has to be the honey badger to his dad

was short. He played fourteen years in the league and was a solid starting at a different position. That's fair, okay. Antoine Winfield looks reliable in coverage, has good ball skills, and looks like he wants to hit the crap out of you like he. Don't get me wrong here, Antoine Winfield is a very good player. I just when you compare him to some of these other safeties, I would rather have a Dugger, a delt Fit, McKinney, Jeremy Chin.

I would take Antone Winfield somewhere here in the second round, just not over some of some of these other safeties. We can agree or disagree, Like the Cowboys do a lot of things right, they do a lot of things wrong. They're not right about everything. But I am. I am wholeheartedly on board with the idea that I want players that have done it at the highest level. I want the guy that's been to the horseshoe or the swamp.

I don't want Leonora rhyn No offense to Kyle Dugger, but I like that piece of not mind of knowing that my draft picks have played football at the highest level. That's just me. We lost my guy yet thirty eight. We lost my guy for fifty one. Gross Mottos is off the board. So going to the Carolina Panthers, Wow, they're beefing up that defensive line. It took Derek Brown in the first and then Matt Rule grabs you to Gross Matos in the second. Okay, that's a pretty solid tandem.

We call that a fake pin throw, but it's not a fake pin throw. I picked in my fake marka. We call that like a oh darn oh, oh damn it, he's not there. What are we gonna do? You guys are faking. I wanted him, that was my guy. I never I never saw it. I don't know. Somebody tell me that I'm wrong, Dan, tell me that I'm wrong. What what didn't you like about him? I just I didn't. I didn't see like a lot of explosiveness for a guy that people were talking about as a first round pick.

And I hate to compare him. I don't. I don't want to compare him to Taco. I just did it by saying his name. But like it always seemed like if he couldn't get past you with his first idea, then he didn't know what else to do. It looked really good on tape against Indiana. That didn't get me too riled up. Wow Wow, I think there's no question he still needs to learn how to patch everything together. But with that length, that flexibility, I coach him up

and I think you have something there. Uh you know. I think he's an easy player to like. I thought he was worthy of a first round pick. And you can reduce him inside, you can play him outside. I think he has big time potential, not just what he is right now, but what he's going to look like two years from now. I kind of agree with David on this. Oh hey, my guy, I was going I

was waiting for him. I'm watching him in the Memphis the game against the Cotton Bowl, and I'm like, he has a good rush, and then for like three or four plays in a row, he did absolutely nothing. And I'm like, going, come on, man, you're playing Memphis today. And again I'm slamming Memphis right now, but you know you're Penn State. Find a way to get to the quarterback, find a way to affect the pocket. I just did not, And Dane, you could be well right about coach him

up do this with him, work on the technique. I just did not see enough of those plays to make me feel like that, well, I'm getting a real difference maker. I thought, I'm getting a guy that's got talent, but it's gonna be so far down the line for me. I tell you what, Well, then you guys are happy, and I'm happy that you're happy. I like to see other people happy, and Gross Mottos is gone. He was my top and second NFL Draft continues one three the Fan.

Weoke down back Cowboys dot Com. Welcome back, Jeff Kavanaugh and Brian brought us of one oh five three the Fan along with Kyle Yeoman's Dave Hellman and Dane Brugler of Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We'll be here with you for every pick. Here. On day two of the NFL Draft, at thirty eight, you had ye tour Gross Mottos defensive end Penn State go to the Carolina Panthers. I didn't

like it. Dane Brugler didn't like it. If he's pulling for the Cowboys, But boy, I tell you, we got three analysts on here that couldn't stand him, and we're really excited that he's gone, and I'm shock and surprised at your guys's evaluation abilities. I'm gonna have to reevaluate those myself. But he's gone, and at thirty nine we now have the Miami Dolphins on the clock because we're creeping our way towards fifty one and go ahead. No, the gross modest thing is to me, I just I

was expecting it more and I didn't get more. Everybody's talking about, oh, you gotta watch this grossmatos, you gotta watch him, and like I was talking about, I did, and I watched him, and I watched him. I watched him. I was saying, give me more, give me more. I'm thinking, oze left in Where is he getting right in toward traits luid range, able to get slippery inside and out in order to get himself free. You guys see a whole lot of range there. Who you didn't see range

from gross mottos working down the line. He was straight forward forward line thinking no, he said no, but yeah, well forward is how you get down the line. You run forward. I'm not asking the guy to do the karaoke drill to chase the running back. Go get it might help him a little bit well, when he got that length going and used it, and he's able to make himself tough to block within him how often inside he can now Dan's moving him inside to tackle on

on third downs. Absolutely, get more speed on the field. Now, Really, are not knocked around in there telling you you watch the Memphis tape. I did watch the Memphis tapes. That thing we saw him. You saw him from a three technique bully the Memphis guard right into the backfield Memphis. You know it's Chase On for nine games against bad competition, he had two sacks and you guys were drooling for the dude because he runs fast. Oh you liked Chase

On too, don't rewrite history. I had Chase On right in front of gross mottos. I think they were close to me. That's where blood's explosive and one's running in sand. One produced and one didn't. That's a great point, sand. I mean, thirty five tackles for lost the last two years and the Big ten not bad. You know what, what I've learned in this conversation is for better or for worse. I'm glad he went because I don't want I'm glad we're having this debate. About Carolina Panther yet

gross mottos and not Dallas Cowboy. So Miami Dolphins on the clock. Now I'm gonna go ahead and let all that go get back in a good mood because we're all broadcasting with friends on one oh five three and on Dallas Cowboys dot com. So Miami, uh, this will be the way their fourth pick of this draft. They're sitting there with two a tongue of vloa. They are sitting there with Austin Jaxon. And then my page cut off and I don't see their third PICKO noah ig

oh igbinogeny. And now the Dolphins pick is in at number thirty nine in the second round. Here's Roger with the thirty ninth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Robert Hunt, tackle Louisiana Lafayette. There is a Dane Brugler special as this was your top rated guard, I believe, even though he's from you La La, and he played right tackle at Louisiana Lafayette. A guy that really only played a little bit of guard earlier in his career moved to tackle the last two years.

We was All Conference player This is a mean dude. He will bury you and not apologize for it. He is a fun player who missed part of most of the draft process. Missed the Senior bull because of an injury, missed the Combine, so weren't sure how that was going to affect his draft status. Didn't affect it very much because I thought he was worthy of a second round pick. That's where he went. We have the Houston Texans. They're going to be on the clock at number forty overall,

their first pick of the draft. I believe yes. And if they're handling of their front office lately as any indication, they will pick a sixth rounder here and then break NFL rules to sign him to a new deal before he plays for like one hundred million dollars. That's what Bill O'Brien's gonna do. How does Bill O'Brien end up as the GM? Is he is? He good at relationships? Did he got the owner of the team to trust him somehow? Well, it's the owner passed away, so well

there's still an owner. Somebody owns the team, I know, But he's he's run out a couple of General Mattress. A matter of fact, Brian Gaine was a guy that they they had worked together, and he got rid of him. Rick Smith a long time ago. He know his wife got six So you know, Bill steadily, he wins enough games, he gets some of the playoffs, he finds a way to win the division. So you know he gets a

lot of control that way. But yeah, this way of handling and roster building and the team and stuff, that's a good roster. But I'm just telling you right now though his general manager skills are not very good. Well, he's on. He's on. Go ahead. Is it what gave it away? The DeAndre Hopkins trade or the money you make? I mean, that's what I'm saying. You're you're in a

situation right now. You're it's about building your roster, and you know doing there's some it's a talented they got some talent there, but he's going to find a way to wreck that talent, is what he's going to do. Well. It's a lot like when Chip Kelly got personnel in Philadelphia. It's like, oh, I'll just trade the good players. This is fun. I'm the personality in the room. It's just a it's a really weird strategy. And then to pretend that the David Johnson that as a player that he's

a plus at his salary, that was a minus. You should have got more. Here's Roger twenty NFL Draft. You use some Texans select Ross Blacklock, defensive tackle TCU. All right, talk to me. Now, anybody throwing a pen at that one, I think that's a guy that you probably interested in at fifty one. Now I'm throwing a pin, a fake pen. Oh it's a fake pen throw. That's a fake pen throw for me. But yeah, I liked him a lot. Somebody, Yeah,

we do. We really think he was gonna make it to fifty one, though I think realistically too good of a player. Do I think fall out of the top fifty picks. Yeah, but I think I agree with you. But I think that when we get to fifty one, there's gonna be players available that I'll have the same thing apply to where I'll be like, yeah, I didn't think that he was gonna make it. I don't know who that guy's name is yet, but I think as we get there that is going to happen. It's just

a matter of who that name is. But he was definitely one of them where you anticipated him going well before you pick so TCUs Ross Blacklocke, who when I watched him, they were lining up as a one technique, and I think it as an NFL player, he projects more as a three technique. Put him head up over the guard and let him use some of that athletic ability to try to rush the passer. Sixty three two

ninety pounds. I liked him. He would have been a nice pick at fifty one, but yeah, probably going earlier than that, only he got a basketball background. You have that unique kind of combination with some lateral quickness and you got the agility kind of paired with the length as well. So I mean, I think this is one of those guys. Him and both Neville Gallimore had some of the better lateral kind of sideline the sideline ability as a d tackle than really a lot of the

guys in the draft. Even though that Blacklock had that achilles injury back in twenty eighteen. I really do like this pick for the Texans, And hey, Bill O'Brien did something smart that's kind of new. He stepped out of the room for a little bit. He'll probably trade him now. This guy, I mean, you talk about a disruptive player though. That first step quickness inside is stuff. Jeff, I think you're right about him playing in those playim as a three.

Let him attack the gap. I mean, I like the fact that how he's able to put himself in position. He's a hard guy to fool. I was watching there were some schemes that were trying to pull him out of the way and he's like, I'm not going for that, and he beat He'd beat those trap blocks, get up the field tackle. He was my twenty sixth best player on my board. So I'm a big fan of this guy.

Whenever I watch in tied defensive lineman in general, I really like when I don't need to know exactly what number he's wearing it because when just when you walk, you can tell pretty quickly. Okay, that's who I need to watch, because he's firing off the ball, he's winning early. You see those violent hands, you see the scheme versatility. Ross Blacklock was definitely that guy for TCU. So now we got the Indianapolis Colts on the clock at number forty one, and I believe this is their first pick

of the draft. And here is the commissioner first pick for the Indianapolis folks, when the forty first pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Indianapolis Colts select Jonathan Taylor, running back Wisconsin apaula jeez. Of course they picked not too long ago, and they took Michael Pittman and now Jonathan Taylor running back out of Wisconsin. Dane, you said some running backs were going to start going, here's the beginning of the run. How many other teams before the

Cowboys you think might take a couple? And if you want to add a Jonathan Taylor scouting report, that dude was a workhorse. Ya talk about production. If you would have went back for a senior year, he would have shattered every major rushing record in college football history. Just a really talented guy. And yes he benefited from Wisconsin's offense and offensive line, but he deserves credit as well. This is a fourth three athlete at five eleven two

n twenty five pounds. He's not a big, make you miss guy, but good luck tackling him, good luck getting him on the ground. And this is an interesting selection for Indianapolis. They are giving Philip Rivers their new quarterbacks and help Michael Pittman on the outside. Jonathan Taylor in the backfield. You have to really like what Chris Ballard is doing with the Colts right now. All the old

quarterbacks are finally getting weapons. And did we mention I get that was a trade up from forty four, was it not? Yes, it was because Cleveland originally had Cleveland slides out of that pick, trying to add more value. I haven't seen the terms, but so that's interesting, you know, adding, Yeah, surrounding Philip Rivers with talent. I actually a little birdie told me that the Cowboys were super super high on

this guy. They really like Jonathan Taylor. Obviously, who doesn't, uh, And I only bring it up because it's it's fascinating for me to think, you know, if a guy like that falls to a team like Dallas, I mean, what a test of best player available that would be, because on no level would make sense to draft that guy. But I mean, you know, I got too many receivers to be running out too many running backs. I understand.

I'm just I just think it would be funny. I mean, it's it's not going to be a problem now because he's gone, but it's funny to think about we're down to the Jacksonville Jaguars at pick number forty two here in the second round on one oh five three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com is Jeff Kevin on Brian brought us from the Fan, Kyle Yeoman's Dane Brugler

and Dave Hellman with Dallas Cowboys dot Com. And let's take a quick look back at our boards as we are now within ten picks of the Dallas Cowboys, and Kyle, you want to give me a few names that jump out at you that you're hoping can keep sticking around. Yeah, I mean I'm still sitting there looking at Christian Fulton on the board and then also Grant Delpit. Both guys are still there. I think here you're probably gonna see Jacksonville go with a wide receiver. So there's another pick

that's gonna push that a little bit further down. We kind of expected maybe the Bears to go up a little bit. They're still sitting at forty three. They could use some defense and they may take one of those corners. So there's some teams out in front of you that scare you a little bit in terms of taking some of the guys that you're looking at. But The fact that Fulton is still on the board still kind of shocks me a little bit. I still had a one two great on him, so if he's able to fall

to fifty one, I'd be at static. Dave Hellman, I mean, it's it's what we said. I mean, McKinney's off the board, Grossmatos and oh geez, I totally drew a blank. Who's the oh Black Black loves me? Yeah, I mean, I'm not mad about that at all. Those are you know, I'm fine with them not being cowboy picks, but I'm I'm still I'm looking at Trevan Diggs, I'm looking at Jalen Johnson, Christian Fulton, Grant Delpit, aj Epanessa still hanging

out there, Zachin, Mattabeke as well. That's another name. Yeah, another name. I mean I'm feeling really good about. You know. Then, you know, we've kind of got a small circle of names that we think the cowboys might like, and there's still plenty of them here as we inch closer. What we're on pick forty two right now, so we're inside a ten or so picks, and there's still a pretty

healthy amount of names sitting there. Matta Bik is a really interesting one to me because I really liked him on tape and I was actually listening to Dane on a podcast with Lance Zerline, and I think it was Lance who said he had heard some things from some teams and that maybe we should expect a slide from Mattabike. There's some character stuff there. There is, and that's something that I've verified as well. Some teams a little worried about that, but some teams are not. It's one of

those things where there's no firm opinion there. I'm gonna throw out a what about Zach Bond? How do we feel about him as a possibility at fifty one? I like it. You would have to convince me that they're really going to be pretty darn multiple and what they're gonna do defensively, because you know, we've heard them talk about use the word SAM slash DPR designated pass rusher, and I think that fits him really well when you

watch him at Wisconsin. His ability to hold the edge with one arm, which I think they teach at Wisconsin really really well. His ability to do that combined with cover and rush the passer. I love the idea of Zach Bond. The implementation of Zach Bond would be my only question. I'm on board with that too. I mean I thought a team like the Ravens was going to take him last night because of their ability to fit

their players. I mean they they whatever talent their players have or skills they have, they're at one of those staffs to say, okay, well we'll call our scheme towards what's your strength. I thought that. You know, this was a guy though, I really really liked him because I do for you know, he played a little light at at at Wisconsin, tried to put on weight for the combine. You know it got to do what deluted sample, probably trying to put too much water in him to hold

some weight. But man, this guy, when you watch you play, you're thinking like, oh, wait a minute, he's not gonna get there. Oh he just did? You know? He's that guy everything every time you see him. It's no way, no, he made the play. You know, I'm I'm a I'm a big fan at fifty one. If you got a guy like this, I'd be totally on board. That's like my twenty seventh best player right there at him as a one too. So mister Brugler, talk to me about

how you would use bond less. I mean, we know that he can rush the passer, but what would you do with him as a sam linebacker? Yeah, and I think that's where you're I think he's a stack and that's how you want to use him, and you don't want to completely eliminate him as a rusher a blitzer. But when you look at the Cowboys, if they fully commit to a three to four, they're gonna need some more help at linebacker, especially on the inside, and maybe that's how you use him. You move them around, let

him rush, let them blitz from different angles. And that's what Wisconsin did so well. They let him rush from so many different angles. And you can but you also saw him drop and cover. You saw him You be an athlete and do some things in space. So I'm a big fan of bond As long as you're okay with that deluded sample and you know any character concerns, I would be all on board with drafting him to fifty one. Here we go, the Jacksonville Jaguars still on

the clock. We'll get their pick here in just a second. Because the pick is in, we're just waiting to see who the Jacksonville Jaguars are going to take here, and then we'll be able to kind of reset and be getting closer and closer to the Dallas Cowboys picking at fifty one right here on one oh five three the Fan and on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Here is the commissioner. We're the forty second pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft.

The Jacksonville Jaguars select Laviska Channault wide receiver Colorado. There you go, that is a dangerous, dangerous man with the football in his hands. Maybe not the most polished or developed receiver in terms of route running and being a complete player, but you let him have the ball and it becomes a party when people are trying to tackle him. Well, he was a playmaker at Colorado. I mean, this is a guy who profiles more as maybe an X but

you could put him in the slot. They put him in the backfield, had some handoff and some gadget plays with him as well. I just I like him overall. Did have some turf toe issue, I believe in twenty nineteen. I think he had surgery to repair that, or even maybe it was a He had some torn labor stuff there too, so some injury concerned. But a DeSoto kid, Texas high school football DFW product, and I think he's

a great player. Honestly, I like this pick. The Chicago Bears on the clock at number forty three, as we work our way towards fifty one, where the Dallas Cowboys are gonna pick. You're listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three the fan in Dallas Cowboys dot com bank you're on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com side of things, and Laviskas Chenault desto goal product now going to the Jacksonville Jaguars, and Kavanaugh was getting up.

I was gonna ask him a question, but I'm gonna go back to Brian Broad and said, Okay, Kavana, go do what you gotta do. No, you're fine, go get it done. I'll ask I'll ask Brian. You're good, You're good. We'll come back to it. But Brian, I was gonna ask you. We kind of gave some of our picks Dan and David and myself in terms of some of the guys you're starting to hone in on last night. We got to about pick twelve before we started seeing Ceedee Lamb as a possibility. Do you see any guys

that kind of starts sticking out to you. Maybe it's Bond, maybe it's somebody else. Yeah, I tell you what. As I looked down the board here, you know, I was worried about the Bears of being a team that might take Diggs. You know, they've got two picks ahead of you. I think the tight end is in play here for the Bears. In one of these picks, the kid the first time, I believe it's gonna be commet, that's gonna

be taken off this board. And so I was kind of hearing some whispers that the Bears, but they also heard some whispers about Diggs being a part of one of these two picks. So I was a little bit concerned about that. You know, I still like the way the board's holding up. I like the fact that there's still corners there. I like the fact that there's still some safeties there defensive end. I mean, you know this, this this board is all right right now. But like

I say, we need some more of those. If you're a Cowboy fan, you need some more of those offensive players to go off. If you want to get down to get one of these these defensive players we just talked about, Well, you look at forty five that could be with the Buccaneers. That could be an offensive pick. The Falcons could go offensive side of the football since they went with aj Terrell in the first round. Jets,

Steelers all need some offensive help. And you already mentioned the Bears who have two picks in the next nine to potentially address a tight end issue. But now the Kavanaugh's back will ask Jeff, some of the players that you're kind of starting to look at, kind of at least highlighting maybe that blinking light like Steven Jones talked about yesterday in terms of the players that could start showing up as a potential on your board. I guess my blinking light at the moment is Zach Bond, the

guy we already talked about. He's my highest rated player. Left. After him, I would go to Christian Fault in the LSU corner, Trevon Diggs the Alabama corner, and after that a Keem Davis Gaither at linebacker. I'm a big fan of I know when I run simulations, I can get him in the third or fourth round. But I've got him in the second. I'm a really big fan of his. And then aj Epenesa, Julio Julian o'kwara off of the edge. Those are my top guys. What about Jeremy Chin. I

haven't heard. Chin's name kind of floated around here. I know Brian mentioned some of those safeties. They're still delping in Winfield there. But Chin's another guy that's intriguing. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Chin, I really am. And I maybe you know he's going against accountants and doctors and whatever else the games he's playing against and bankers and who else. But you watch him, he can cover some ground, you know, when he's running, he's getting finished.

I think he can cover you know, they moved him around at Southern roy he had different responsibilities. It looks like the Bears pick is in. But I'm a fantas guy. Let's go to the commissioner right now if we could. It looks like we would just we'll talk about this selection. Maybe we don't have the commissioner here up on the side, so we'll talk through it. Make the pick regardless of whether or not we can hear it. Yeah, I was, Yeah, I was, I was. I thought we would go through. Yeah,

it's it's cool. Commet, So here we go, col Commet the tight end. Okay, dang it. Yeah, there's your pen three right there, right top tight end off the board. By the way, I forgot a name because I was scrolled over on my board. I didn't have the safeties up. Grant Delpitt is in my top three of who I would want to make it to the Cowboys at fifty one. I just real quick, Jeff, I just I want to throw this point out there, and there's I mean, there's no way for me to say this without being a hater,

I guess, but do it that. I I this is what I bring the value for because all of y'all think that you're actually GMS, and I'm just over here to remind you should be. I'm just over here to remind you of what the Cowboys actually do. And I'll buy you all dinner if they draft Jeremy Chin in the second round if it take that, Can I get dinner if they take Delpit? Well, Dave is saying that because he knows that Will McClay won't take a small small You're damn right, That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm

sure did you write a story about that. I sure did. I talk about it all the time. They haven't drafted a non Division one football player since twenty thirteen, and that was in the third round. It was also before the process. Uh, JJ Wilcox, b W web and JJ Wilcox in the same draft, but that was before Will took over. They have not done it since the smallest there with State. Yeah, exactly. If they go FCS in the top fifty one, I'll take you all to a

fast food restaurant of your choice. Yeah. Nice, quite a few that I like their Dave and I can run a wallet up there because I don't get meals, I get individual items to watch yourself. You got it all right, Cleveland. This is the twenty twenty NFL Draft with Jeff Cavanaugh, Brian brought Us, Dane Hellman, Dane Brugler, and Kyle Yeomans Ollie cow We're to number forty four, working our way to fifty one for the Dallas Cowboys. We've got the

Cleveland Browns on the clock right now. The first tight end is off the board as Cole Comet is going to be a Chicago Bear, and so you've lost the top tight end off of a lot of people's boards.

There to the Chicago Bears. You have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on the clock, and we were just talking about some of the names that you'd love to see make it to fifty one for the Cowboys, and I will tell you the top four that I am watching our Zach Bond, Wisconsin linebacker, slash Edge, Grant Delpit safety at LSU, Christian Fulton cornerback at LSU, and Trevon Diggs cornerback at Alabama. So let's just round table here. Which names have I

left off that should be in that conversation? Well, I was just gonna go through the Browns needs real quick if I could, Joe that we talked about that with the guard, safety, and edge, So keep an eye on those posessional linebacker and there ye linebacker. Well yeah, linebacker and linebacker and safety. Those are the two big ones for for the Browns. Uh, And that's what I would expect here. But uh, the both of them, but both of them are big needs. I wouldn't be surprised at either.

But this is we mentioned at the top. This is a the sweet spot for the safeties, and the Browns already traded back once because they think they feel good about a couple of these guys. Uh, if they want to go safety, whether that's Chin, it's Delpit, Windfield, So that could be a direction they're going here, Dan and the new general manager there? His style? Is he a numbers guy? What is his what is his uh way

he operates? Well, yeah, there's no secret you know that the Browns front office is a very analytically driven um. But at the same time, uh, you know, we don't know. This is the first year general manager. Andrew Berry is the youngest general manager in the league. We've never seen him in charge of a draft room before, so we just don't know. We don't have any draft trends. We don't understand fully just how he's going to use these

metrics to draft players. You know, could be a Jeremy Chin who had the production, who has the testing but all at the FCS level. Could be an Antone Winfield who had tremendous production FBS but doesn't have the size, Grant Delpit is a mix of all that. So I think we're not really sure just how the metrics are going to drive the Browns thinking when it comes to draft picks. Yea. Does Delpitt fit that metrics kind of a system? Though? If you talk about this he just

he's done his pro day, he does. I mean it's not the same as the combine. But if you just take his forty time and his height and weight, you would be projecting that he's a really good athlete at that size. You mean his thirty eight yard time probably. I mean if Karen Dansler ran in the four threes, then Grant Delpitt might a run a four one. Well,

that's the problem. We don't know with Delpit. Teams are going to take those times with grain of salt, so we don't know how that might affect some of the decision making when it comes to drafting players. So we wait for the Cleveland Browns pick at forty four, and then we'll have forty five, six more picks before the Dallas Cowboys. I can do math, and we'll see which direction they're going here, hopefully whatever the Cowboys don't want. So does that mean I want them to pick a

linebacker stay away from the safety group? Is that probably? I think that's kind of a pipe dream, though, I think safety is probably where they're gonna go here. That's messed up. You think the Browns go safety here or ye think? Yeah, Yeah, I think it's their biggest need for sure. I think the next couple of picks between now and the Cowboys could be offense, but I think safety's the biggest need for the Browns here by far. Well, I'd like to see them linebacker though. Yeah. I'm right

there with you, Jeff. Yeah, I'd like to see them leave that alone. Let those safeties hang out until the Cowboy pick. Anybody want to try to guess what the Cowboys are thinking right now amongst the names that we're mentioning, any preferences that they might have, Dave, I think the Cowboys are looking at their second round grades, however many of them they have, and thinking that they have more on the list than those that have been taken. And

they've definitely they've lost some guys like Xavier McKinney. Obviously they've lost a few. But I think I can come up with eight to twelve names that they probably feel good about. And Jeff's fantastic arithmetic. Just let us know that there's only six to go, so the numbers add up that somebody they feel pretty good about should be there. I wasn't count in Cleveland, that'd be seven to go.

Oh excuse me, I'm sorry. Yeah, you remember remember the Browns last year in the second round they took Greedy Williams, who at one point was thought to be a very high first round pick. And could they do that again in the second round with an LSU There's no question. And you guys have got me convinced you're going to take a safety. Here's the commissioner to In the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Cleveland Brown select Grant Delpit, defensive back. Jerks.

I think that would have been my favorite guy left for the Cowboys, So that would have gotten to be real excited. That would have been, to me, a great pick to get Grant Delpit. And we'd talk about, oh, his tackling is not real good, and I would have said yeah, But to me, he projects as a guy that's going to be a turnover guy. I ain't drafting him to tackle. I mean, he's gonna need to do it. He's gonna need to do it at some point, but that's not why I want him on my team. He's

the last line of defense, Dave. If your last line of defense can't bring people down, that's a problem. Yeah, but you know what he can do. He can step in front of passes and take him the other way, which is something the Cowboys haven't had in a while. Yeah, So that's probably we think, or at least I think that's a Cowboy potential target that goes off the board right there. And so now we're at forty five with

Tampa Bay. They will be followed by Denver and Atlanta as we are ticking our way on down the board towards fifty one. Hey, Dane, does do the Browns know that they're in Big ten country? Because why do they? Why did? I mean, how many LSU players do they have at this point? My god? I mean they drafted Williams last year, they got the receivers, so Dell and Jarvis. I mean, come on, I know you want me to set you're setting me up for this. But LSU is

a pretty good school. They produced some good talent down there. I mean, well, actually, I think people have talked about this ironically. I mean, the New Orleans Saints are Ohio State, you know, the Ohio State Club, So I guess it only makes sense they're trading off. True, and it's just it's an Ohio thing. You know. The Bengals went with Joe Burrow. Uh, but you know, Ohio just kind of put him on loan for two years. Yeah, we got him back here in Ohio. Now I want to delp it. Yeah,

that's I think. Delpit was definitely on my short list of like the four names that would get me the most excited. McKinney was the other one. He was one of them too. You seem a little down right now, Dave. Yeah, I mean, you know, and I get it. I'm gonna I'm gonna get egged. Is the LSU Homer and I deserve it. That's fair, but it's accurate. I mean, he could have gone to any school, and I think it would be good value. I would have been just as

excited about Davier McKinney. And now I think, you know, for those of us that have been waiting for the Cowboys to find that heir to Darren Woodson, it doesn't look likely to happen this year because, I mean, Antoine Winfield still around. We haven't heard any buzz about the Cowboys and Antoine Winfield. Yeah, we don't think. We mean, Kyle Dugger's gone to I don't think they would look at Jeremy Chen at least not this early. So it's hard to see that starting caliber safety coming out of

this draft. So now I turned my attention to defensive lineman and corner because those are the two positions that are still kind of hanging around well. And I think you the guy who gets me most excited is still Christian Fulton, another LSU guy at fifty one. Jeff, you're shaking your head, but I think fifty one for Christian Fulton would get me extremely excited. Oh no, me too. I was I was communicating behind the scenes there. I thought you were. I thought you were reacting. No, no, no.

At pick forty five, we have lost another safety. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers take Antoine Winfield Junior. And so I agree with you guys right now. I think if you're looking at the board, you're probably being pushed more towards the defensive line and you're being pushed towards corner there and yeah, yeah, we got Trevon Diggs out there, you got Christian Fulton out there. I'm keeping an eye on Zach Bond, who is my best player available. And then

on defensive line, Jordan Elliott, Justin, Mattabecke, aj Epanessa. There's still names there. So the Cowboys knew they were gonna lose a bunch of their guys waiting out. The teams aren't gonna cooperate with whatever you want as the draft goes on. But yeah, you've got you got a handful of safety's gone. Xavier McKinney, Grant Delpit, Antoine Winfield, Kyle Dugger all off of the board at this point. And

so we'll see which direction they're going to go. But if like cornerback, defensive line is where at least my eyes keep going on the board for them, did we we keep excuse me, do where we keep talking about though that if they got wiped out, that Diggs was gonna be their guy. I mean, was that you guys talking and talking about that potentially if they got completely if the guy so to me, Yeah, the guys like Yo, Diggs, Bond, I mean, if they go defense, those and those guys

are there, I mean, that's great. I'm feeling great right now about that. We're just trying to fight through this little mini depression of the safeties going off the board. But there's still plenty of names that you like here, let me, I do worry about the Bears though, take him Diggs, I do. I was gonna be I'll be the optimist for a second. And it's kind of the same line as Kyle Dugger. What I said when the Patriots drafted him is I think, you know, we argued

about Antoine Winfield earlier. A lot of us really like him. We have no indication that the Cowboys did so. Inside of the Cowboys war room, they might view Antoine Winfield going as a win in which I don't agree with that, but sure they view him possibly as you know, they're cheering that because they're saying, yes, keep pushing Trevon Diggs down the board. That's a okay. So Antoine Winfield going to Tampa is a loss for me, but I'm not

sure it's a loss for the Cowboys front office. Do you think Tampa's GM's daughter is really excited about the pick. She was just hugging her dad. She looked like she was about nine years old. Do you think that she knows who Antoine Winfield is and she made a big fan, big fan of way Antoine Winfield. She's hoping they don't lose their house. You know, I don't think she's thinking about that either. He's a commissioner. The Denver Broncos select

kJ Hambler wide receiver Penn State. There you go. Yeah, if you watch Drew Locke play at the end of the year, you know it's time to drop forty burgers in Denver. So that is a nice That's that's not my top receiver available. He would have been my one two third receiver a bit available. But you totally understand the appeal of kJ Hamler at Penn State under five nine,

under one hundred and eighty pounds. But the speed, the acceleration, the fits that he gives guys that are trying to stay in front of him when he's running routes, kJ Hamler is gonna be a fun addition in Denver and for a route runner like Jerry Judy and for your big receiver in Courtland Sutton having the speed threat lined

up out there with them, man, that's a lot of fun. Well, last year's first round pick, Noah Fan, you add him to the mix and all of a sudden, this offense, if you can protect Drew Locke, yeah, I think John Ellaway, former quarterback, he's looking at this offense and smiling about the potential. He's got a lot of drops though, right, a lot of drops. He dropped up believe seventeen percent of his catchaball passes. And I don't I don't think

as his hands are bad. It's just he is a guy that's always on the move, so he was looking to run before he finishes the catch. I think it's more of a focus issue with him. But the blur speed, that's what you're drafting here, before and after the catch. He has the potential to be uh, he's not. I don't think he's gonna have a lot of singles, a lot of doubles. But look at his triples, look at his home runs. He is going to put up some big time numbers. Without speed. It's steal bases too. There

you go. If you could do that in football, he would steal bases. It is now the Atlanta Falcons on the clock and their pick is in. I love the second and third round that I'm telling you. I love the clock getting shorter. Yeah, it's outstanding. I got these teams one minute is what they ought to do. We'll have some fun then, all right. Rapid fire, Yeah, just rapid fire. This thing. Let's see how good we are

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the Cowboys are picking. You're listening to the twenty twenty the NFL Draft on one oh five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. As we continue here on the internet side of things, and Marlon or excuse me, kJ Hammler. The last pick here for the Denver Broncos Antoine Winfield Junior. Before that, Grant Delpit. So you have a couple of a couple of options here coming up for the Falcons. The Jets, Steelers bear so five picks until the or four picks until the Cowboys make a selection.

But is this a chance here for the Falcons to go with a defensive tackle here? I know that's kind of one of their picks. They could go a wide receiver. They didn't necessarily address that yesterday whenever Cede Lamb was on the board. But maybe they don't see Julio as maybe the same guy, or at least they want to plan for the future there and give him some help. What did the line for the Falcons? Lucky Photo is a name to keep on the Yeah, absolutely, Dan, You're

you're doing a great job right now. That absolutely that if you talk to the Falcons. You know, one of those names that they kept bringing up. I was asking about a million guys and they was like, what do you think about Futo? And I'm like, well, you know, like he plays big man, lateral, gets outside and all. You're like, yeah, what do you have? And mim said, well, I'm thinking about it like a second third round. Oh, he's more of a second round kind of guy, you know.

So yeah, I this this seems like a very very good uh fit for them. You know, Tommy d Tommy de Mitchrof he just kind of takes his guys. He doesn't care what round or not. You know, he just you like my guy? Great if you don't like my guys, So what you know kind of a thing. So yeah, Futo would be a guy that I would definitely keep an eye on here with Falcons, pick, I just want to fast forward to fifty one. Don't take a dB.

You know, the weights alone. The weight is what makes it fun because we got to sit here and sweat these out. And that's I mean, shoot, I spent twenty I spent a half hour convinced the Falcons we're gonna draft Calavon Chason last night. Maybe they go pass rush here, Curves Weaver, I think you have to go pass rush here if you're the Falcons. I mean, everybody I know that's connected to the Falcons was saying that's their number

one need. And honestly, I think did not get any pressure on anybody last year by any means no, And it looks like Tack McKinley's on his way out. They did sign fil Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley's no in Tennessee. So yeah, pash Rushers definitely near the top of the list. Well, you've got guys like Mattabeke who's also there, Jordan and Elliott out of Missouri, another prospect Neville Gallimore going along with Lucky Foe two that you guys mentioned you could

throw Marlon Davidson maybe in that mix. I know he's kind of a tweener either interior or a defense or excusement or an edge at the same time, played a little bit of both at Auburn. But I mean there's plenty of these individual I guess pass rushers, defensive lineman in general that are gonna put pressure on the quarterback here kind of that sweet spot. Would you talked about the sweet spot of safeties, Brian in this middle part of the second round, you can say the same thing

about defensive tackle. Yeah, I mean that's I was looking down at these guys. I mean it said Mattabeke, Elliott Gallimore, James Lynch. I know people are talking about James Lynch, stop playing in but playing defensive tackle from Baylor. So I mean there's some there's a sweet spot, but I think it's probably a little bit of a round later for these guys. But you know, hey, some people might say, well, we're not going to get back around to these guys.

We got to do it right now. And then when you look at the Jets, the Steelers, and the Bears, so now you're starting to narrow it down because you've still got those defensive minds that we talked about for the Cowboys that are still on the clock, are still on the board. Rather with Digs, Fulton, Bond, who are all still available. If the Falcons go with somebody different here, then that even includes the chance that all three of

those names are available when it comes around. Yeah, it looks like the commissioner is going to tell us who they're going to take right here. I know we're still on dot com. The twenty twenty NFL Draft continues on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and one oh five three The Fan. All right, welcome back. It's Marlin Davidson, the defensive end out of Auburn, going to the Atlanta Falcons at number forty seven, So there are three picks left before the

Dallas Cowboys. Go ahead Dane and say, hey, Jeff asked me who I had the Falcons taken to my mon craft. Dane Brugler with Dallas Cowboys dot Com, our finest scout and all the land, along with Brian brought Us and Dave Hellman, Kyle Yeoman's Jeff cavnot twenty five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Dane who'd you have the Falcons taken there? In the second round, I had Marlin Davidson, a defensive tackle who could beat that jumbo defensive end for the Falcons can do a lot of things,

so I thought a natural fit for them. That one of those names I heard, along with Lucky Folk too, along with a few other ones. Marlin Davidson a good fit. After they decided to pass on defensive line in the first round, j Tarrell at a clumpse in the corner, they go defensive line now here in the second with that quote unquote other defensive lineman out of Auburn, but a guy who had a big time senior season along

with Derek Brown, I had. So I struggled with him a little bit on tape because I was watching him stand up and play defensive end on a four man line, and I'm looking at him like that guy looks like a three technique to me, and so I just I struggled with him a little bit. You saw the power, you saw what guys would like about him, but he looked like he was out of position to me. So I had trouble projecting him and I went with a

two three. But is this about where you were about where you had him, Dane, Yeah, I thought there was a chance he could sneak into the late first. You know, a team like the Patriots or you know, when they look at scheme and what they're looking for, that inside outside versatility, some teams really value that. But a little surprised that. You know, we haven't heard aj Epenessa's name right,

He's still floating around there. Marlon Davidson a good player though, and put up double digit tackles for loss this past year, and they let him rush off the edge at three hundred pounds and he did a real nice job. So this for me is shaping up right now is the Seattle Seahawks pick is in and they picked Texas tech linebacker Jordan Brooks in the first round. So Seattle does not care what your rankings are. They're going to pick their guys. They're on the clock now. Then we'll have Pittsburgh,

then we'll have Chicago, then we'll have the Cowboys. And for me, I'm looking at Zach Bond. I'm looking at Christian Fulton, the cornered LSU and Trevon Diggs the corner at Alabama, and I'm zeroed in on three names. Whether that's smart or not, here's a commissioner the forty eighth pick to the Seattle Seahawks. With the forty eighth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Darryl Taylor, defensive end, Tennessee. Okay, that's another guy that

I kind of liked. Darryl Taylor. I thought in the second or third round, I thought that that was a guy that's kind of a full sized defensive end. He plays with some power, He shows you a little something

as a pass rusher. I think Daryl Taylor is a nice prospect, but he is a fake pen throw for me because I'm sitting here looking at my best player available being a linebacker slash edge and a couple of the other ones being corners, and I'm wanting them to hold on for the Cowboys and then have them make that pick. But Darryl Taylor, Dane Burglar Scouting Report, a guy that looks the part. When you talk about a pass rusher, if you're gonna build one, it would look

similar to Daryl Taylor. You just wish you would let it loose a little more. When you watch his tape, he just leaves you wanting a little more. So the idea of Darryl Taylor excites me. The tape in the production didn't necessarily excite me as much. Yeah, he is right. I'm sorry about that. He is absolutely right about this guy, you know, And I think there's more power here than there is anything else, you know. I mean, he will

not guys back, He'll hold the point of attack. I did see him run some balls down from the back side with this guy. But yeah, you're just he's another of those guys you're just kind of waiting for him to really turn it loose. And but man, he's got the body type to do it well, and he's starting to turn it loose because he's growing into the position. His first two years or twenty sixteen twenty eighteen, his first two healthy full seasons, he had fifty three total pressures.

Last year he had forty four alone. And this is like we kind of talked about earlier, Like Jeff said a moment ago, Seattle must have really liked this guy because they traded a third to move up and get him. So the fact that they're so impressed with the fact of giving a third round pick to move up just a couple of spots to select him at forty eight.

Either they were worried somebody else was going to come and snag him, or they just really are sold on the power this guy brings because he's a brute force guy. I'm telling you the last couple of years, Seattle is the team that strikes me as we don't care what the world thinks about these guys. This is what we think because LJ. Collier sneaking into the first round, Jordan Brooks this year in the first round, the tech linebacker, and then Darryl Taylor right there. They don't care what

you think. Yeah, they're picking there guys. My intern n doesn't care at all. Best story, Can we Okay, I'm Jeff. Jeff did a great job of laying out a short list, but can we try to zero in on pick fifty one? Here? I'm going to Diggs. I'm sweating Chicago right now. We're we're not even going to talk about other options. Well, I don't know how. I don't know their interest level in Fulton, but I actually like the player that Fulton

is today more than the player Diggs is today. But I totally get the I have them right next to each other. I totally get the appeal of Trevon Diggs, and I'm not going to forget about Zach Bond. I'm not going to figure about Justin Matabek. Absolutely no, No, I think there's a great list of guys there. Yeah, I'm totally psyched out. But me personally, I'm just being selfish right now, which I usually am. On this program.

You are, and so I you know, if I get a chance to get my my like eighteenth best player off my board, my top fifty one, and it's hit this guy. Absolutely, you said, I get my eighth best player last night, my eighteenth best player today. Yeah, come on, bring it on in a position that it could absolutely

they can use. Yeah. I don't disagree at all. I just wonder in the in the interest of being a devil's advocate, I mean, they would have taken a pass rusher if they hadn't had Ceedee Lamb fall in their laps. So is that a possibility? I think I think they had interest in Darryl Taylor. It's obviously not possible anymore. Um. I see Julian o'quara's name sitting there. I see a J. E. Panessa still hanging around. Uh, this is a good spot to be in. There's Neville Neville Gallimore, how about that.

I mean the same thing with Matt Matta Bouquet. I just don't. I don't know if I'm ready to better than like Gallimore. I'm not ready to take a defensive tackle of fifty one me personally. But I wonder if we can rule it out just because it's not what we would do they I don't. I don't think the player is there to be interested. But anything to the talk they've been doing about center, about Peter King talking about, hey, maybe Ruise at the end of the first Cowboys trying

to move back, you could get this. I mean that's why I was. I don't mind Cushion Berry got him as a two three? Yeah, how about Matt Hennessey. I have Hennessey better. I mean, there's the same round, but I have him better. I just think he's a better athlete than Cushion Berry. Cushion Berry is kind of a wide base catch stare long. I'm with you, but yeah, he's But I just like Hennessy's athletic ability a little

bit better. You know. That's kind in the Cowboys run game, it seems like they ask a lot of their center athletically reach. I don't know how Cushionberry necessarily fits schematically, but I do like the player. So the pick is in for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Here's the commission either getting cheered or booed. With the forty ninth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Pittsburgh Steelers select Chase Claypool, receiver. Interesting. So, uh,

Claypool phenomenal. I mean, you want to talk about the size and the athletic ability at the combine. Chase Claypool over a thousand yards at Notre Dame last year. He's a phenomenal athlete. I had my concerns on tape watching him against press coverage and the way that he uses that big old body that he's got in terms of letting people move into the sideline. But end of the second round, for that size and that level of athleticism, I think it's it's tough to fight that too hard. Dane,

what did you think about Claypool? Well, and historically speaking, the Steelers have been such a good drafting team when

it comes to receive. On Day two, look at just In Juju Smith Schuster and your guy last year from Toledo, James Washington, h Emmanuel Sanders at one point, uh, the Antonio Brown at one point that they have been really drafting receivers outside the second round or outside the first round has been a strength to this h this organization, and they see something in Claypool to take him over some of these other receivers that are still on the board.

Which is interesting, but I mean you set it up Jeff six to four, two hundred and thirty eight pounds, four four speed. But in terms of his route running, his releases a little vanilla, you know, nothing really to get excited about as a separator. But he'll go up and get the football, he'll run past you. And this is a guy who twenty five tackles, big time special teams player. Uh, that's gonna you know, the offensive coordinator and the special teams coordinator, they might be duking it

out to see who gets to use this guy more. Well, I'm gonna tell the offensive coordinator he wins if I think so, you want to put my guy on one of your special teams. Cool, don't interrupt my meetings. Thanks. So, the Chicago Bears are on the clock at fifty. We are one pick away from the Dallas Cowboys at fifty one, and I think you're just kind of sit there and

let the draft come to you. To me, it looks really good right now with guys like Christian Fulton, Treva on Dig, Zach Bond, Justin Matabeekee, Jordan Elliott, Ajpin Sa Julie Allen Johnson. We haven't mentioned his No, Yeah, I mean he I guess no. I know that a lot of people are really really high on him. He wasn't for me. I've got him in the third because I actually I didn't trust him in man coverage. But here's fifty for the Bears. Here's he's not going to be

your problem for much longer. In the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Chicago Bears select Jalen Johnson. All Right, to me, that's a that's a dream come true for me because he was just a guy that wasn't for me. I understood the appeal of the athletic ability, and maybe the Cowboys do run a cover three scheme, so maybe it would have been a fit. He just wasn't for me in terms of his fluidity and man coverage when I watched him.

But Jayalen Johnson, the Utah cornerback to the Bears. The Cowboys are on the clock, will set you up for that pick. But Dane, tell us what you thought about Jaylen Johnson. There's nothing amazing about what he offers. He's just, I think, a solid player. I don't think he has any major weaknesses, doesn't have a ton of mental mistakes. He'll be a little over aggressive at times. Not the biggest guy, not the fastest, but just a solid player.

Can play inside, outside, can play man, can play zone, and a real They call him a professional at Utah because the way he carries himself. So I think just a solid pick here for Chicago is going to step in compete for a starting role as a rookie. All right around the horn, Dallas Cowboys on the clock at fifty one. I think the way I want to do this is everybody, you get one name for that you would like and we'll go around the room and we'll start with Dave Hellman, one name that you would love

to see his name called here. I'm gonna I'm gonna go out of my I'm gonna fix my Homer reputation because if I'm picking one guy I'm fine with Trevon Diggs. I'm a okay with that's he's a rare guy and he I mean, he doesn't have the most freakish athleticism in this draft, but to be able to do the things that he does at his size, it's really impressive. And to put him in a room with a guy like Al Harris, who's played cornerback at the highest level, you'd like to think you can coax some pretty good

production out of him. I know his tape's not perfect. I think a lot of people judge him based on what happened against LSU, which is not very fair because LSU did that to a lot of people. And I'm perfectly comfortable drafting him at this value. How boys have to pick in here's the I talked too long. Sorry, all of us in the nationale Football League extend our sincere condolences to Dak Prescott, whose brother Jason passed away yesterday. Dak,

our thoughts are with you and your family. Some of my best memories growing Oh, they're not going to announce the pick. That was just the commissioner offering the condolences to the Prescott family. So we was nice that and we'll continue around the horn. Add one name to the name we've already heard from Dave with Trevon Diggs, Kyle Yeoman's well, I think they'll go Digs here because of the returnability and the fact that he was the highest rated press corner out of the entire class. But I

would like Christian Fulton here. I think they'll go with Diggs, and I'm totally okay with it, But I think I just think Fulton is He's higher on my board. I liked him a little bit more, so just to add the name to it, I would say Fulton, Dane Brugler. Add a name to that list and tell us if you prefer one that's already named. No, I mean, if I'm adding someone to the list and you know, we say bond yet, um, you know a player who can

play linebacker and give you rush. But I mean this all comes back to Trevon Diggs, a player that if the first sixteen picks played out a certain way, the Cowboys were considering him at number seventeen and so preach if they're able to get him a fifty one, that would be uh, you know, kind of an ideal scenario for the first two rounds for this team. Brian just signing stay. I mean, it's my eighteenth best player on the board day It's absolutely right. If they were to

wipe out situation, they probably would have taken him. If they couldn't move, he was a guy they were going to consider. I think they got very fortunate here that the board fell the way it did. There's a lot of great second round players here, guys that very well have been first round players. So yeah, I'm being very selfish. Fulton. I like him, but I think Diggs is a better player. And if Diggs were the pick, when he got to Alabama,

he was playing wide receiver. So you're looking at it at a guy that if if they get him one, it's possible it's the best player on their board again, which would work out great that this time it falls into a big position of need. And two, I think a guy who's only played cornerback for three years, if he ends up being the pick, so what if he's not gonna beat out Cheeto or Anthony Brown or Jordan Lewis on day one, you'd be looking at the next four years with him. Now, this is a yeah, this

is a long term pick. If he's not a starter day one. I'm not worried about it, because that's not why you cornerbacks as badly as just to restock that position. Well. He also uses his wide receiver experience to outsmart wide receivers. Now you could see it on tape. He's very good at kind of at least seeing the field, seeing what's gonna happen, and the reacting very quickly. So I think overall this would be a fantastic pick if that's into

who they end up going with. Yeah, we've got ourselves pigeonholed in here, which is like the exact opposite at least of our broadcast yesterday when we're sitting there watching going there is it's not gonna be lamb. It should be good be but it's not gonna be. And so now we've set the expectation that the Trevon Diggs pick is coming. Bond would be a good they would pick here. They have to be happy that the board fell the

way it did. But man, there are names that you're least at least you're having to go, Wow, that guy's there, you know, having to have that that should we go this way, should go that way. I just think Diggs is too high on their board. I just that's just kind of how I feel about him right now. I think he's probably higher and it's more. But if you look at big picture, this team has no cornerbacks under contract until twenty twenty twenty one. Yeah, that's big, So

you've got to think about that long term. And now you don't have to snag another corner later in the draft, even if they do go corner here. I know, you know, somebody y'all have talked about, you know, Digs's length gets him in trouble because he relies on it too much. But like I said, man, this guy's got thirty three inch arms, Like I like the the measurables are very impressive. And it's at pick fifty one. I'm very fine rolling

the dice on him developing a little bit more. They've got the pick in we are just waiting for the announcement of who that pick is, and we are sort of zoomed in on who we hope it is. Which man, if they make that pick and it's one that we're all happy with. Can you think of the last time that the Cowboys had picked two players in the draft and you went, hey, that's exactly who I would have picked. Yeah, No,

I mean it's I know. I was trying to think, now they're gonna bus there's no there's some Yeah, there's so many times we've sat there and gone, oh geez, you know, why did they take that guy? We felt bad about the situation and trying to make it sound better than it was. I think I think, you know, if they get if they get Lamb and Digs out of this, I think the positivity about the direction they're going,

I think is very very good with this draft so far. Yeah, so we are seeing Mike McCarthy, but he's not in his seat. It says Mike McCarthy head coach. But it's just a chair sitting there, and there's Jerry But here comes to Dallas Cowboys pick at number fifty one, with the fifty first pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Trey Von Diggs, defensive back Alabama. Hey, here you go, I think, and there's a decent chance they picked their best player available two picks in a row.

Is that is a guy that we talked about. If they were wiped out at seventeen, there's a chance that was the pick. It falls into position of need. It's a guy that they really really liked. I think a lot of Cowboy fans are gonna be really really happy with this pick. You want to hit us with the scouting report, Dane, this is a like we mentioned before, a former receiver who likes to do receiver like things

at the catch point. And look, if you're looking for the most technically refined corner, this is not your guy. But as an athlete, he moves really well. And you watch his tape Nick Saban and that staff kind of said, you know, don't worry about your pedal, don't worry about your footwork being perfect, just go be an athlete and go cover your guy. And that's exactly what he did,

and he did at a high level quite often. So again I think this in terms of value, this is tremendous value to get a player like this outside the top fifty, and a guy that, regardless of how we felt about him this, we know how high the Cowboys were on on him, and so to get him at this point just the awesome value for them. Guys, you don't see this guy out of balance, you know when you watch him play. I mean the d Dane painted a great picture of him. But I saw a guy

that was an aware player. He's got the mirror skills and he's plays in ballants. You know. Usually sometimes you see quarters when they pedal, they turn and they drive and they're like kind of clunky. This kid's not clunky. I mean he can move and be a position to keep himself in positions. Big, he's long, he attacks the football,

he's athletic. I think it's it's what the league wants at cornerback now, and it's a guy that the best football of his life is obviously going to be ahead of him as he's only played corner for three years and he's already got the tape of a guy that deserves to get picked in the top fifty. So it's Trevon Diggs going to the Dallas Cowboys at fifty one, and we will continue on as we march through the

second round and into the third round. Here, you're listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com bank. You're on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com side of things, and we're also live on social now here on the Draft Show and Dallas Cowboys Social media's Kyle Yeoman's Jeff cavanaal Brian brought us Dave Hellman and the great Dane Brugler as Treyvon Diggs is your newest Dallas Cowboys. So now the draft class consists of Seedee Lamb from Oklahoma Trayvon

Digs from Alabama. I think that's a pretty solid first two picks, to say the least. Moving forward, I think I've yeah, I would go right ahead. I just I think you're plucking right from the very top of your board, and the fact that that lines up for you in the second round is that's awesome. It's a little bit of good fortune, and when you're picking from the top of your board, it's usually gonna turn out pretty well. It's gonna turn out well, and then you also go ahead,

Dave No. I just I got really scared about Diggs when we started hearing that he could be the first round pick. I think most of y'all would agree with me, But it's amazing how your opinion changes about a guy the further he falls down the board. The same thing for aj Epinessa. I wouldn't want to touch him in the top thirty, but you're looking at him at fifty one. And now you look at Trevon Diggs starting experience in

the SEC again. I mean I've said it five times already, Like he's just rare from a build standpoint, Like you don't find cornerbacks that look like him very often, and you don't. It would be great if he is good enough to step in and start, but you don't need it. You've got three guys that can do it. And so that gives Al Harris and the rest of the Cowboys defensive coaches time to work with him. And this could be an even better value next season when you do

need him to start. I just you know, at this value, I really really like to pick a lot. This guy has played in some big time games. I mean he has lined up in national championship games, playoff games. I mean he gets coached hard. At Alabama. You ever go to an Alabama practice, Nick Saban is yelling at these kids the whole time. Only Gary Patterson yells at his kids more over at TCU. I mean, these kids to go play a football game as a break for them.

They I mean, that's what I like about those Alabama kids are a little banged up the way you know, they get banged up, beat up because they play a lot of football. But man, this kid, I think he'll come in here. He'll be competitive, and that's what we need. We need some quarterbacks. He'll be compet This kid won't let you run across the field and catch the ball on him. I mean that guy, it's gonna knock the

ball down. He'll do that. And kind of going off of that, he's still level headed because he's been around a pedigree of a family member who's had success in the NFL. Of course, his brother Stefon Diggs, the wide receiver who had a ton of success in Many Minnesota. And then turns around and he goes over to Buffalo. We'll see what he does up in Buffalo. But this is it's a family that's used to success in the NFL. He's been in big time games. He's been a part

of the bright lights. And I think this is just a brilliant pick for the Cowboys at fifty one. Now a pick has come since the Cowboys were on the clock of the Rams take cam Acres. They're running back out of Florida State. As I guess the now replacement for Todd Gurley, who has departed and gone to Atlanta. As we continue here in this second round, Cowboys pick

next at eighty two. But with the cornerback spot now solidified at least early in this part of the draft, now your attention shifts to safety, shifts to edge rusher. What's now up on the priority list here? Yeah, I

think you're all over. And by the way, Jalen Hurts goes to the Philadelphia Eagles, which to me makes all the sense in the world because the Philadelphia Eagles probably need to plan to play four to six games without their starting quarterback every year, and I think that that's a pretty good backup to have, where you've got a guy who's got the ability to help you with his

feet to try to get by until Wentz is healthy again. Yeah, corner being addressed and wide receiver being addressed, which I know a lot of people didn't think was a need, but I did because you were missing a starter there, and yeah, and uh safety, defensive line, and you know, they seemed like they were showing some interest in the linebackers at the top of this draft. Rybe even there as well. Yeah, probably looking all over the defense, just

not at and I think you still could look at corner. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they double dipped at corner at all. I mean I know that. You know, Stephen Jones came on our station was talking about, well, a linebacker maybe not early, it's not a concern right now. I know for a fact they like Logan Wilson from from Wyoming. I do too. And you know, and you're talking about a guy that that could be. You know, he's kind of a throwbacks linebacker. He's always you know,

he drops at cabbage and there's the ball, he's up. Oh, he's tackling a guy. He never misses tackles, you know. Willie Gay was another guy we talked about. Uh, you know, we've mentioned maybe that's the spot. There's I just feel like now there's defensive ends, there's linebackers, and there's some safeties that they could even go. They can stay on that defensive side of the ball and be really really

happy with that direction. I think defense is still where you have to go here, and whether it's safety or edge rusher, I still think there's gonna be some names available at eighty two as well. Then twenty twenty NFL Draft continued on one o five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Welcome back. It's Jeff Kavanaugh and Brian brought us from one oh five three the Fan, along with Dane Brugler, Dave Hellman, and Kyle Yeoman's on

Dallas Cowboys dot Com. A simulcaster that you have all your best friends with you right here as we do the NFL Draft. At fifty one, the Dallas Cowboys went with Trevon Diggs, the Alabama cornerback who we thought there was a chance in some circumstances he could have been

picked at seventeen by the Cowboys. So I bet when we get a press conference at the conclusion of today's round, we will hear something similar to what we heard yesterday in terms of the dude was right there at the top of our board and we kind of had to pick him, and it falls into position a need for the Cowboys. At fifty two, the Rams took Cam Akers, the Florida State running back, and at fifty three, the Philadelphia Eagles just took Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma quarterback, which to

me makes a lot of sense. I had him more as a third round guy but I think of the guys you would hope to develop, he gives you a chance to win games when he has to play, because you start using his legs and you make it hard for teams to defend. So Trevon Diggs to the Cowboys, cam Akers to the Rams, and Jalen Hurts to the Philadelphia Eagles. Dane, how you like that pairing with Hurts

in Philly? It is interesting? Um, And you kind of set it up with you know, they have a quarterback who's really talented, but for him to start all sixteen games, you know that's the question mark. And so you bring in Hurts for your number two. You got to change your offensive around a little bit because this is a player who anticipation wise, uh in terms of reading coverages, not exactly where you want. And so I think this is much earlier than I would have taken Jalen Hurts.

But he's the type of leader, the type of guy you want your locker room, want your quarterback room. H And so I don't if I'm a Cowboys fan, am I do? I see this pick and say, yeah, you know, is that doesn't worry made that much? I mean that that's kind I would feel if I was a Dallas fan, I was kind of hopeful that he would have got to Dallas in the third round. Yeah, I was interested

a little. Yeah, I was interested and if he would have done that if he'd been there, because you know, I think Jerry Jones is you know, those Monday morning meetings. He comes in and he starts talking about, did you guys see the Ravens play last night? You know, and and I know they're they're they're different. He's not the but but that kind of attack, you know, where you put pressure on defenses with the ability to run and

the ball handling and stuff like that. You know. I mean, he probably wishes his starting quarterback would do a little bit more of that, but he was always fascinated with what was going on with that kind of scheme. We got the Buffalo Bills on the clock at fifty four. But we also have for you the secret audio of Trevon Diggs being drafted by the Dallas Cowboys, which is always great. We love that that we get that for you. So here it is Trevon Diggs being picked for the Cowboys.

Thank you, Strayvon. This is Will McClay with the Cowboys have somebody that wants to speak to you, dear, how you doing cook? Hey, this is Jerry. How you gonna listen? Listen? We're I'm proud to tell you because I'm proud of it too. You've got a star on your helmet. Thank you, thank you. Well, I appreciate that alone. Well, I sure, I'm enjoy our time, our interview and talking to you and um, everybody or potential coaches, and we're all excited

about that you're getting in here. And what we're were most excited about is the improvement that you can make. Everybody. The word is he can get better. He can get better. Now, now, remember what I told you. If anybody ever tells you that gives you something for nothing, they're lying to you. So if you're gonna have to go to work, but if you go to work, you'll get something. Okay, you can do. Yes, I got your coach, hey, man, so pride your capital worker. Here's something. Um, here's your coach

and he wants to skate with. I want to transfer your Dray Vaughan for birthday? How you do? How are you doing right now? He congratulations on being the Dallas com do. Excited to have you soone. I apprecaid everything. Thank you, they do me a favorite. You're a bummer with your family. God bless and just keep doing what your dog you just self Freddie and really look forward to working with Tea and went some championships. All right, Well man, do you take care of Thank you so much?

All right, So I'm gonna go with Will McClay and Mike McCarthy and try to not screw this up every day. And it sounds like it's Trayvon Diggs and not Treyvon like I've been saying. Oh I've been saying that too. Damn Trayvon. Is that Diggs? Okay? Confirmed? Trayvon Diggs cornerback for your Dallas Cowboys and aj Epinessa's slide ends at Buffalo at number fifty four and Baltimore at fifty five.

Is on the clock. I love when Jerry talks because you never know where he's gonna meander two just like, yeah, we're happy to have you. And remember I told you story nothing for free ever? Will all right, dude, Jerry voice, well, trey Von you remember no he went, Treyvon. You remember I told you Netting's free. Somebody gives you a carton of milk. You better believe they're gonna come back round two weeks from man and one something from you, probably

pair of kick something like that. I'm a little scared right now. You just never heard your Jerry. It's very good, it is great. Well, that is Arry. That's what's scary about it, Dave. You've been meaning to talk to you man facts to save you for about three weeks. Talk to you about a furlough. Please. That's not funny. That's not funny. That's really not And I apologize for that. That was a terrible joke and I didn't mean it.

And I love everybody. Um okay. So aj Epanessa is off the board, and now we are looking at the Baltimore Ravens, who earlier in this draft took Patrick Queen already linebacker out of LSU, and they are back up on the clock at fifty five. Who has got a handle on what they may be looking at here? Running back? Sorry? Go Dan, well along the lines of what you were just saying, what am I missing on? JK. Dobbins? Why is he still around? I think that needs to be

the pick, honestly, Dane, I'm right there. JK Dobbins to me, was the best back in this draft, and I am shocked that he not shocked that the three Taylor Edwards, A Laire and Swift went ahead of him. I'm shocked cam Akers went ahead of them. Yeah, well, cam Akers to fifty two to the Rams, and you're still sitting

here looking for Dobbins to come off the board. I think this is one of those Ravens picks that the fact that he's still sitting here, you're looking up at the board and saying, oh my gosh, he fell in our lap. Let's go ahead and pare Dobbins with mark Ingram in that backfield with Lamar Jackson and add some firepower to that offense that really doesn't need any Yeah.

I wonder if you're Baltimore. I know they don't target their receivers a ton or as much as anyone else in the league, but with some of those guys available, maybe you look that way. But Mint is still there. Yeah. To Dane's point, you know what Baltimore has done consistently over the six years that I've been doing the draft. They take the guys I want, so they which means if I want them, obviously they must be good. So that means the Ravens are good at this and if JK.

Dobbins is that needed to come off the board quickly, they'll probably be the team to do it because they love to snatch up the good players that just fall in their lap. I think the Ravens just take the best guy available way more often than not. Honestly, I had that thought earlier. Today. It's like, man, Cowboys really had a Ravens moment with Ceedee Lamb and maybe not as big of a steal, but it feels like they

did it again with Treyvon Diggs. Is like, Hey, if you none of y'all want these really good players that keep dropping midway through the round, we'll gladly take them. Yeah, So JK. Dobbins best back available, my guy, Zach Moss probably behind him, and we shall see how many running backs are going off the board and get I think eighty two is too far away to be cheering for positions or is it ever too far away or we

just pulling for all for all offense? It's too far away, we got I mean, there's basically thirty picks until the Cowboys are on the clock. I can't start worrying about that until like pick until probably the start of the third You don't have your shortlist ready. Everybody but Zach Bond. Let's just let's draft like that. Oh, that'd be great. I've got it. Honestly, it's fun I mean funny how this works. I went Terrell Burgess if they and then they would have hit basically my exact draft that I

would want, and that would match Dane's mock. You gave them dicks, didn't you. Let's make it happen. Let's let's speak it into existence. I think be great. I think yeah, Jeremy Chin, I don't think he's have to wait much longer here. He'll be a safety off the board. Ashton Davis from Cal I think is another safety who belongs somewhere in the top seventy picks. But then Terrell Burgess, he I think he's the next safety to go and should be in the mix for the Cowboys next round.

I'm just a big fan of his ability to play a lot of different spots. You know, you have to find him. He's got a similar number to one of his teammates. Yes, you don't know if you spend a whole half trying to find him. You're like going, oh, there he is, and then like, oh he made another player. Okay, then you gotta run it back. You know, Oh I missed him because I thought it was the other guy. Now he's down at the line, now he's yeah. So no. This is a guy though that when you talk about him,

he's all over the field. He makes plays. You know, you could put him in coverage and things like that. I mean, I like the I like the player there at If you could get him to your pick in the third round, I think that would be a huge get. That would be a little I'm a little scared that the Dolphins of fifty six, who pick right after the Ravens. By the way, Baltimore's pick is in. We haven't had an announced yet, but I think the Dolphins could maybe go safety there. You talk about some of the picks

that they've made. They picked up a corner and no egg bnogady in the middle of the draft, and I don't know, I feel like the Dolphins could potentially snatch one of those guys. I don't know if it'll be specifically Terrell Burgess or Jeremy Chin, but I think they may at least look in that direction. Well, and Kyle, I think it's really important to have somebody on the show constantly try to bring the room down. And I

always that I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, we're out here trying to get our safety and you're trying to send them all off the board. And I think if you must think, you would think the new guy is like bright eyed and bushy tails. Yeah, he's just trying bush He's trying to kill everybody's mood hater right out of the gate. Who would have thought, I'm just a realist guy. That's all it is. You know, Hey, as the resident realist. I'm glad somebody's taken over for me. See, that's it.

That's the reason it's Dave. Dave and I have spent too much time together over the past four months. Dave likes to have somebody try to push him around, So that's what you need to do. I think he misses Brian doing that. So here is the Baltimore Baltimore Ravens pick. Here's the commissioner with the fifty fifth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft for Baltimore Ravens select JK. Dobbins, running back Ohio State all right, Dane, you feel like you've been waiting way too long to do this, but

rip off his scouting report real quick. What are the Ravens do. In the first round? They stay where they were and they got Patrick Queen. In the second round, they stay where they were, They got JK. Dobbins. Two terriffic players, Dobbins. Some guys were just born to play running back, and Dobbins is that guy. His ability to read and hit the whole at the perfect time is just a really unique skill. And then once he gets

to the second level, he can make defenders miss. He's a reliable pass catcher of the backfield, just a really solid back. Who I mean, you look at the Ravens and that backfield with mark Ingram Lamar Jackson. You had JK. Dobbins to that mix. That's the makings of a pretty fun offense. JK. Dobbins to the Ravens. The Miami Dolphins are on the clock. Kyle is trying to get them to take a player that the Cowboys want. It's a

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And here we are on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com thing. I still believe we're still on the social sites up until eight o'clock or so. But we could continue rolling along here. In the back half of the second round, Cowboys that made their selection, it was Trayvon Diggs now j JK. Dobbins off of the board, Dolphins, Rams, Vikings, Seahawks, and then the Ravens back up again within the next five picks. So I mentioned safety here, you could also

maybe throw in a corner. I know they did select Noah Igbonogamy, but any needs out there, Dane that you kind of see the Dolphins, maybe honey on here. This is the Dolphins have so many needs. I mean, they can go in a lot of different directions, but can we see a safety here? Maybe this is where maybe we could see Jeremy Chin and Nashton Davis. You know, I think when you look at some of their needs. Christian Fulton, they went corn on the first so probably

not there. Could they go edge rusher, Curtis Weaver. Possibly? They have a lot of different directions they need to add. The Dolphins have fourteen picks in his draft, so they are not going to be shy making picks over the course of the night in tomorrow. What about interior defensive line, because before the Cowboys picked, brought us and I were kind of talking back and forth about some of those

d tackles that are still available. And you still have Matta Bouque out there or Mattabek excuse me, Jordan Elliot's still out there. Gallimore's their vote to Rae Kwon Davis even if you wanted to throw that name into the mix, A Brian, Are those some kind of guys that maybe

Miami would be interested in? Yeah? The thing with Matta Bouque Mattabike is that we you know, it's like we watch the tape and see the tape and swatch him play, right, but what's behind the scenes, you know, is he interviewing bad is he a bad character guy? I mean, there's things that we don't know about some of these players, and you put him where you think he's going to be, you know, on the board, and give him his due, But maybe there's something that is keeping him from being

selected at this time. So it looks like the commissioner the pick is in. The commissioner is reading it right now, so I will give it to you as we're going along here, let's see it's a oh, the Dolphins take ray Kuon Davis, defensive tackle from Alabama? Is who they take? All right, Dane Scouting report time on mister ray Kwon Davis here looks a lot better than he plays. I mean he's a monster because he's one of those tools versus production kind of guys. Yeah, and I'm not even

sure sure the tools are all that great. He just looks great, but he's not the most agile player. I don't think he's gonna give you a ton of pass rush. His strength is going to be using that length, using that size to take on multiple blocks clog up your run lanes, and you need those guys. So not to say this is a bad pick by any means, I mean, I think he was not a first round pick here outside the top fifty. This is where he should have gone.

And I think the Dolphins are adding a player who can be a solid run stuffer and maybe give you a little bit of pass rush value. We'll see if he can develop that part of his game. Yeah, I thought Kyle he played a lot better earlier than late. You watch some late late games at Alabama, and he was not very good, you know. And I sometimes he won't stay square when he plays, He'll get turned, he'll jump around blocks, you know, he'll lose his balance, he

struggles with quickness against him, you know. And I just I'm with Dane on this. So I was expecting a better player, and it it just was that the more film I watched, the more I just became disenchanted with the player though well. And I think the one part of his game that he was consistent in, at least in watching film was probably run stopping, correct. I mean, I feel like that was really his go to, his bread and butter of of what made him enticing in

the middle of the second round. He had seven sacks in the past for USh his sophomore season, but after that it was really kind of sparse in that regard. Now we are going to go off of the social sites. You can go online and go to the Cowboys app and then Dallas Cowboys dot com to watch the show from here. Of course, we are continuing on one oh five three the Fan. But before I do that, do want to remind you that the Draft show is reminded

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Von Diggs, cornerback out of Alabama in round two. According to all five of us, I believe you would say they are doing quite well in this NFL draft, the first one under new head coach Mike McCarthy. And we're cruising along in this draft. Currently we are looking at number fifty seven. The La Rams will be making that pick as we creep our way towards eighty two and the Dallas Cowboys next selection, where we still got some players that we're cheering for to make it to eighty two.

And this maybe this is gonna be the first year where they just draft all of the guys that we want them to draft, and everybody's in agreement and it turns out none of them can play, and we don't know what we're doing. Yeah, I'm all about Jerry Jones kicking them scouts and coaches out of that. You know at that room. Let him just draft these players. Man, he's doing our I don't think that's what's happening. It's not happening. Don't think that's what's happening. I think what's happening.

I think this is the scouts draft. I think that's why we agree with the pick so much. I think they let the scouts do their work, and the coaching staff said, yeah, pick the best players and give them that. It's really if he came in and just took over and said, no, we're gonna draft these players, will Jerry. It's all about Jerry. Jerry, He's got this thing under control.

It's really ironic because I wanted to play a game with with y'all this year where we charted who was available at the pick and who we wanted and who they took, and that would you know, it would give us receipts of who was right and who was wrong two or three years from now. But I think we're all in agreement through the first two rounds were close. I mean, I guess I would have to keep my

eye on the careers of Zach Bond and Christian Fulton. Yeah, but I don't think I don't think anybody, you know, And and they chose one of my top three that yeah, and you know, I don't think any but he's gonna kill him for for digs over those two, you know, the way that happened with t J. Watt and Taco or some of the other choices that they've made, not at all. So those were those were both picks that you look the other direction and automatically said, I would

rather have that guy. I want that guy, not the one that we have. That's just not the case this year, right, And hey, trust me, Kyle, there have been a few years where we've all been sitting around looking at each other, like, who wants to say something nice about this guy? First happened a couple of times. Six years. Yeah, it happened a few times. Yeah, a few times. All right, anybody got to handle on what you think the rams might

be interested in here. They went running back with their last pick, right, they went cam Acres and now they're back up here on the clock about treated. Yeah, they just traded Brandon Cooks. Um go back wide receiver? Replace that need Denzel Mims? Come on down? Or are we? Are we a little bit too high on Denzel Mims based on his postseason stuff? But I loved his Senior Bowl, loved his combine, and liked his tape, so I feel

like second rounds a good spot for him. The pick for the Rams is in and here is the commissioner. With the fifty seventh pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Rams select Van Jefferson wide receiver Florida. There you go, No Van Jefferson wide receiver at Florida. Somebody else can give their scouting report if you like. I just want you to know that I feel like

he had an unfair advantage. His dad, Sean is the wide receiver coach for the Jets, so probably had good teaching and that would explain being a really good route runner. But Van Jefferson is going to be going to the Rams. Daane, you want to go scouting report? The Jets didn't draft him, so how good is he? Okay? Good question, good question. This is a player who when he was at Old Miss.

He transferred to Florida. When he was at Old Miss with AJ Brown and DK Metcalf and all the talent they had there, there were scouts that were saying, who's this kid? Because he was a perfect route runner even as a freshman when he came went to Oxford, transfers to Florida. And that's the advantage of having a wide receiver coach for a dad. You learn the tricks of setting up defensive backs and understanding pace, understanding footwork, and

that's what he does at a really high level. Not the biggest, not the fastest, but for a guy that is technically sound, he is going to see the field very early as a rookie and he's going to be productive for this Rams offense. That sounds really like somebody that would work with Sean McBay. It's just kind of the way I picture that offense. Everything on time. Hey, Jared, I'm going to tell you which route to throw, Just throw it on time. Cooper Cuppish, Yeah, another one of

those one of our find me a window. It's never my goal to make everything about LSU. But you're talking about a guy who picked fifty seventh. I mean, go with me here, go with me here. This is gonna be a good point because en route to a national champion and ship, LSU played Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs, T Higgins, Ceedee Lamb on top of a bevy of other guys.

And if you talk to Grant Delpit, Christian Fulton, and anybody else on that defense, they consistently said Van Jefferson was the toughest receiver they had to go against in twenty nineteen. It's because Christian Fulton put up a great line against those Alabama guys and against them forgetting which other and against the Clemson guys. So, uh, Christian Fulton, get your name called soon. I believe in you, buddy,

I'm so. I mean, I I came to terms with the thought that he wouldn't be a first round pick. That makes sense, But to see him still here approaching pick sixty eight two, it's fairly surprising. If he's there at I would run to make that pick at eighty two. I just that seems unlikely. Way you would run. Well, there's no podium commissioners. Here I keep forgetting yet, Dave. Sorry. NFL Draft the Minnesota Vikings select saw some whispers that maybe Ezra Cleveland was going to sneak out of the

first round. But here he is, the Boise State offensive tackle going at fifty eight to the Vikings, and I get killed. I pick I picked him to the Vikings in my mock draft, and Jeff mauled me in his mock draft. And I picked this guy in the first round, and now the last night, and then now the Vikings take him. I felt like that they really really liked him. I mean I watched him play against Florida State Tallahassee hot day kid from an athlete. Yeah, and he's he's

he's hanging in there with those guys. I mean it's like boys is running no huddle and he just keeps coming and coming and coming after the Florida State guys. I like his technique. I like the way he got his sets. I like the way he stays in front of this guy. I don't know about the power overall, but I saw a guy that's a really really good athlete. So Vikings got him a tackle left tackle. I think that's a cauld play let because of his athletic ability.

It kind of seems the way that it's going an offensive tackle is if you've got the requisite athleticism that pass protect protection is so important in today's NFL that you got to have the feat to be able to match some of these pass rushers. Is that the way it's kind of going, Dane, where that's kind of where people start is tell me what kind of athlete he is? Right? And I think that you're you're right about that, and the combine he had really helped him. The Vikings, I know,

were considering him in the first round. Yeah, with two first round picks. Well, and if the kind of how we're talking about the Cowboys, if the first sixteen picks played out a certain way, Diggs might have been the guy at seventeen if the first twenty one picks or so, because they did the Vikings did not expect Justin Jefferson to be there at twenty two. He fell there and they were like, oh shoot, we got to take this guy.

And Ezra Cleveland was a guy they were ready to take if the if the board played out a certain way, so to get him in the second round. This is kind of like a Cowboys moment for the Vikings to get him at this point in the draft. So now we get the New York Jets on the clock. We are at number fifty eight in the draft. It'll be the Jets followed by the Ravens, followed by the Titans. And Mike Zimmer is hanging out in front of his fireplace.

It's a good looking fireplace. I wonder, I wonder if he's ad his ranch, he might have got his things. Wondering about that. I got a place in Kentucky. Huh, Well, yeah, he's he's, he's it's his big ranch that he's got. Man ranch would be a good place to be for a draft. The only question is you gotta be sure about your WiFi, your internet situation, because sometimes a ranch, you know you're not in the sub dude makes like five million dollars a year, Jeff, you don't think he can.

Which would be rousier for Wi Fi? A yacht or a ranch? It doesn't which, that's the question. You think The yacht was hardwired, like he was close enough to somewhere that they were running extension cords and the longest Cat six cable you've ever seen out of a nearby restaurant and down the dock. All can't kick something off, just lug into a Starbucks outlet. This is the New York Jets second pick of this draft. The first one was McKay Beckton in the first round, Louisville offensive tackle.

Like that. By the way, Brian or Dane, do you have some needs for the New York Jets to try to try to guide us in the right direction? Let me see if I could figure this out. They traded down before, right, so this is only their second pick. Ye, second, so they have obvious needs at you look at the cornerback depth chart and you're just kind of shaking your head, and who's this guy? So cornerback definitely receiver yea, Robbie

Anderson going to Carolina. Uh, you know they gave sam Donold help at eleven with the left tackle time to get him some help to you know, who's gonna be catching these passes? So I think corner or edge rusher or receiver. I'd be pretty surprised. If it's any other position, it's gonna be fault right here. Well, okay, so names I would consider if you're talking to those, Yeah, Denzel Mims, Christian Fulton and then I'm way higher than the rest of the world. One makes way too much sense. Oh,

I understand, it's too much sense. No, I understand. I mean, but you know Fulton Dane also laid it out though. I mean, you look at their needs to talk about edge, wide receiver, cornerback, linebacker. I mean they dressed their offensive line. I think their best corners Pierre to see her. I mean, I think if you ask Jets fans and name the top three corners on their team, I don't know if they could do it. Come to Cowboys couldn't score on that? Yeah about a depth? You know why? You know why

they couldn't score on that because Cooper played. Cooper played two snaps and they didn't have ceedee lamb and yeah, exactly, they didn't have very fair, very fair. We fixed that problem last night, Jeffrey, Maybe Treyvon Diggs can also be your fourth or fifth wide receiver. Maybe, well, maybe Treyvon Diggs can stop a ninety eight yard touchdown too. That would be good, That would be very good. Well, that guy's not on the Jets anymore. You don't have to

worry about it. What a just what a kick in the junk that game was let's not go back. I don't know why you guys are doing this. Why are you you started it about Cede Lamb and Trevon Diggs. Guys, come on, yeah, yeah, I like where Dane's heads at. I don't know about the rest of you guys. So New York Jets on the clock. They've taken Beckton in the first round. Denzel Mims would be a lot of

fun there, my guys, Sammy d poor guy Dane. You were really high on Sam Darnold in the draft, and I'm sitting here watching him in the NFL, like, are they ever going to give him a chance to succeed? There's nobody Blocker and Rogers learning the same things. Nobody open. Yeah, they don't draft anybody. Let's trade up for another quarterback. And I don't think Aaron Rodgers is gonna be the type to handle that well when somebody's like, well Aaron, we did it with you too. I don't think that

that's gonna work for him. I think that he's gonna have a lot to say. How do you think Rogers feels about the fact that McCarthy got such a great receiver in the first round? In his first Cowboy draft after never getting a skill player in the first round during his Packer tenure. I think Aaron is ready to demand a trade and then have a QB competition with Dak. I've seen Aaron's contract figures. I don't think that's likely.

I don't think that's what you've seen. What daxus going, Yeah, exactly, well, fair true story. That one doesn't exist yet as far as I'm aware. Yeah yet. So the show in the graphic of the top receivers remaining, which would make sense, and now the camera is actually in Denzel Mims's living room. Very nice couch appears to be either leather or pleather, able to seat at least eight to ten people on that couch, and the Jets Adam gase looks like they've

made a pick. He's hugging his son, Joe Douglas as it appears three screens. Adam Gasee's kid is really fascinated with the camera, making sure to wave like you see kids do at a basketball game, making sure, but he's not looking at the camera. He's looking at the screen that shows the display of the draft and waving it in which is alway by play. I need it in my life. This is beautiful. Well, it's always a tough

deal because you don't know where the camera is. You just know that you're on TV, so you're actually looking at TV instead of at the camera, and you're really waving at yourself, watching yourself. See and as here come the other kids. Now we got three kids. You see it on scoreboards all the time and on the big monitor at and T Stadium. You see it all the day. Beth, Yeah, but I have better aware to get the kids. If I'm in that situation, I immediately try to find the camera,

just if you're keeping track at home. It took till pick fifty nine for us to go off the rails. Here's Roger with the the New York Jets pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft. The Jets, like Denzel Mims, going people finding a way to pick the best guy

on the board. Denzel Mims, who I think is one of the guys who helped himself the absolute most out of everybody after actual football had ended with the Senior Bowl and with the combine, finding a home here on a team where there should be plenty of targets available. Scouting report, Denzel Mims Dane player at Baylor who didn't run a diverse route tree. But then he goes to the Senior Bowl, like you mentioned Jeff, and you see him more more versatile player than I thought a lot

of us thought he would be. Paul Long almost thirty four in jarms. Speed was outstanding, had the best three cone out of anybody at the combine. So really impressive athlete for that size. You wish he was more and more consistent with the route running. Had a few drops, but at this point in the draft, this is a

this is a tremendous steal for them. And if you're Sam Darnold, you got your left tackle in the first you get your receiver, and the second you have to feel pretty good about what your GM Joe Douglas is doing and trying to help you. And this was the top target for Charlie Brewer and that Matt Rural offense during It's really his entire tenure down at Baylor. And you talk about a guy who can go up and get a football, he's right there with it. He high

points the ball so well. He was tied for second in the country in terms of contested receptions. He was honestly one of my favorite players just in college football to watch throughout the course of this past season. Then another Texas high school football product got to throw it out out there. He's from Dangerfield, Texas, which is of

course very football history rich in that regard. Played four sports there, including track, which you saw with the forty that ended up running a four three eight, which was one of the top five wide receiver forties that you saw in the NFL combine. So I like him a lot. And Jeff, I remember you talking about the route tree early on in the offseason. That kind of scared you.

I think he kind of dispelled that kind of bugaboo to his game at the at the Senior Bowl, just the way that he was able to show some reality and some versatility. Nobody could cover him at the Senior Bowl. And once again we have a GM's kid who is pretending to be super excited about a pick that looks like an eight year old. And I just don't know if they understand what they're excited about, but that's the way it goes. All Right, We've got the New England

Patriots who have traded up their pick is in. We'll get to that and the rest of this draft. You're listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. And as we continue here on the website side of things, the Patriots still looking to make their first select. Shouldn't correct now that they've traded up because they traded out of twenty three. No, they I take that back. They took Kyle Dugger earlier in the draft, so you did have, uh,

Kyle Dugger. We don't, we don't. I believe y'all are still up. I'm not sure what's going on here. I think we're having some technical difficulties. That's what happens when we're all virtual. But that's okay, Dave. You can still hear me, correct, I can hear you, Kyle. I think our fans let's go ahead and go Yeah, let's go ahead and go to New England. You've got New England coming up next with the trade with Baltimore and the Ravens.

Then the Titans, Packers, Chiefs, Seahawks are the scheduled guys to go on for the or scheduled picks to go on until the end of the round. But with the Patriots here, she picks sixty. What do you see, Dane at where they could go here? Front seven? Um, you know he took a defensive line, you know, could they go a Matta Bouquet? Could they go with the Curtis Weaver goes somewhere? They need to get younger on that

defensive line. Um, need to get younger a linebacker seeing Uh, maybe could we see the run on linebackers start here? We haven't had many linebackers off the board. Zach Bond possibly Logan Wilson. Let's see what the Patriots do. I can tell you what they're gonna do. They just picked Josh Uche out of Michigan. Personal favorite of mine. Oh my gosh, I love this dude. And he's one of those guys I feel like people are afraid of him

because he doesn't have a definitive role. Dane, tell me if I'm crazy, Like, doesn't this seem like Chase Winovitch all over again? Just in terms of I mean just a specialized guy who can get to the quarterback. I mean he's not gonna be for everybody, but man, he can do something. He can do something for you. Yeah. Well, and Chase Winovich who was drafted by the Patriots last

year on Day two. Uh yeah, you know he's He's a guy who I don't I think he's a little more versatility than a win it bitch, where Winovich is an upfield play player only where oocha, maybe you have a guy that can draw up a playing space six one, two, forty five. So he has the size of a linebacker, but the speed is what you're banking on here. Good luck slowing him down around the edge. And a player who only played about fifty percent of snaps last year

as a senior at Michigan. So you know, even even the Wolverines weren't sure exactly how to use him and in which situations. So this is interesting pick by coach Belichick. Obviously. I think he knows a thing or two about defense and how to use a player like this, no doubt. I feel like this is one of those value picks that the Patriots are just destined to make throughout the

course of a draft. He's gonna have six sacks year, He's gonna have six sacks at the halfway point in next season, and like they're only gonna use him in certain situations and there it's gonna be like they're they're two four front that nobody else in the league runs, and he's just gonna be a nightmare. That's my prediction. And now I'm kind of looking down the list here, guys, and there's a couple names that stick out to me and oh my gosh, that guy's still kind of there

or that guy's still there type of player. How about Josh Jones out of Houston, the offensive tackle that I thought would go well early in the draft, and he's still on the board. You still got Christian Fulton up there as well. Josh Jones is surprising. Um. I thought there was a chance he'd go in the first round. Obviously that didn't happen, and surprise, he has fallen to this point a really very good player in pass protection. You know, he's not the greatest as a run blocker.

And when you watch his film, who did he who did he really face? That really challenged him. I think that's what teams are struggling with. All right, here we go back on the fan side of things. The twenty twenty NFL Draft continues on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and

one three the Fan. All right, welcome back. It is the twenty twenty NFL Draft, where the Dallas Cowboys last night took Ceedee Lamb if you somehow missed that, So sir, they got Cite Lamb and then they got Brian brought us his eighteen ranked player in this draft in the second round in trey Von Diggs. Where now it picks sixty one with the Tennessee Titans. Here at the back end of the second round. Cowboy's next pick, of course

is at eighty two, So with the Tennessee Titans. Anybody got a nice little list handy to try to point us in the right direction, Zach Bond, Should we just say that for every pick, like I mean, at this point where the value is what it is. They drafted tackle in the first round, so Josh Jones I think would be excellent value, but they're not going to go that direction. Could we start to see Cushion Berry get

more offensive line? Helps surprised? Jeremy Chen is still a round so a few names, and that's what happens when you we have so many talented Day two picks, a lot of talents still available. It's going to happen. I mean the third round, we're still gonna have some intriguing names. Uh, Matta Bouque, you know they they shipped off. Uh who's the really good defensive tackle they shipped off to Denver? Yes, so Matta Bouque, George Elliott, one of these big defensive

tackles maybe coming in help replace him up front. I still think corner could be an option here too, because you look at what their needs are at cornerback. I mean they don't have I mean they've got Andrew Jackson out there and then Malcolm Butler. But are you really trusting Malcolm Butler to be your your corner as a Titan? Probably they lose. They lose Logan Ryan and that that is a great point. They need that guy that can play inside outside, Uh, that can has the football character

that you know coach Vrabel's looking for. So absolutely, and you look at the top corner still available, Christian Fulton's still there. Yeah, so that that is a possibility for sure. Yeah, that's kind of where I was looking. I was thinking. And if you're their cornerback situation, and like, okay, if you're just go for the second round, taking the best available player, that Christian Fulton's the guy. I mean, he's

gotta be right, Yeah, we can leave him alone. Yeah, him and Bond or the two guys that I would say, Man, if I got either one of those guys, i'd be lated about that. Yeah. I'm just gonna watch this draft and hope to not hear either of their names for the next twenty picks. Any chance, any chance either of those guys in eighty two? Oh, that'd be awesome. I guess you never have to trade up to get it, though. I don't think eighty two. I think eighty two too far.

That's still like you just said, twenty picks away and you still think that they're gonna be there. We weren't, weren't gonna be there fifty one. I don't think so. I'm begging. I'm asking if anybody tell me you're asking the question you're out here saying, do you think no, there's no way? Dang it? Yeah, Kyle, I'm bringing it down again, I know, but I'm being real here. They're trying to make sure we set up the board the rend. Jeff,

I've done this to Kyle, Dave. No. I mean it's good that somebody is there to rain you and Brian in 'all are monster. Sorry, Commissioner, with the pick Titans to see Titans select Christian Fulton. He fens him back. Happy Now Kyle, I'm mad on Kavanaugh, Now Kyle, Kyle nailed it. Was what do you want? Um? I want Christian Fulton to go back on the board, wait twenty picks and then be a Dallas cowboy. A bond still there though. Yeah, Christian Fulton. I really like Christian Fulton.

I think he's one of those guys that, to me, he got to this spot because he's not six two and he didn't run a four to three, But when you just watch him play corner, I think instinctually his ability to play man coverage. I really am a big fan of Christian Fulton. Am I missing something that is the reason that he got pushed down here? Is it just lacking those traits? He was my sixtieth ranked player in this draft, um, and he just I mean he

went right where I thought he's a joke. But this is I mean, they lost Logan Ryan, They're looking for that reliable player they could play inside outside, and Fulton's that guy. Uh you know you you do wonder is there anything kind of like we talked about with Jalen Johnson is there anything exceptional to what he does? Not? Really, He's solid size, sold speed, only two career picks, so he wasn't overly productive. But he didn't get beat a ton either, unless you're facing Henry Ruggs, who got him

a few times. But this is just a quality player who maybe got pushed down a little bit because of the overall talent in this class. All right, well, now let's talk about a different cornerback. How about the ones that the Cowboys picked at number fifty one overall? On the phone with us right now, Trey Von Diggs is with us. Tray Von, first of all, congratulations and welcome to the Dallas Cowboys. Thank you. I appreciate everything. Thank you for having him. Happy to be a member in

the Dallas Cowboy. What's it like talking to Jerry Jones on the phone? I feel like heeled sometimes be a storyteller. Where are you familiar with Jerry? And is it strange hearing him on the other end of your phone? I've always been offended Jerry like is amazing? Like when I first had talked to us, kind of starshut because of this life area Jonald I talking to So it was kind of like you know, I was star stuck. But you know, I love the Dallas Cowboys. Everything I brought

the Dallas Cowboys. I love the program. So I'm excited. I'm really excited with your Can you tell us about the video conference that you had with those guys? What kind of experience was that and not so much maybe what you guys were talking about, well what about you know, they probably would have had you in as one of the thirty visit guys, but now you had to do this over video conference. Did you get a feel for

everybody doing it that way? Yeah? It was It was pretty Uh it was different, um, you know, just seeing everybody like on social media and technology and stuff, you know, not in person. But you know, it was good. We had a good conversation and our conversation went very well. So you know, I feel like, you know, that played affecting to them selecting me. I enjoyed talking to them. I enjoyed our conversation that I had with them. Man, you know, it's gonna be funny. I'm a happy, good

part of team. You know, I want to win game and championships. So I'm ready to go, dray Von, even with it being a virtual after overall, your family still gets to be right next to you and you have that that explosive reaction from them. What was that moment, like, Oh, it was amazing, Like my heart dropped. When I got the call, I was like kind of like, I don't know. I kind of paused for a second, like, Wow, this is really happened. I seen the area code pop up

with Dallas, Texas. I said, wow, it's really happened. I look up on the screen. I see Chicago picking out there. I mean, Dallas is picking out of Chicago. So I was like, wow, I don't really about to go to my dream, my dream. This isn't my dream. I always wanted to do this, and it's just amazing. I'm happy.

You know, my family was right there to support me and be there with me throughout, you know, this draft, and you know, just keeping me encouraged and you know, staying positive, geting me positive energy and just telling me stay patient. And you know, I'm a far where exactly where I want to fall, and you know, they happened. I'm thankful, I think God, And it's just amazing. Drev. And speaking of your family, I mean, you know, it's it's pretty normal to have a guy who's dad or

uncle or cousin played in the league. It's pretty unique to talk to a guy who's brother, Your brother, Stefan is a is a five six year NFL veteran. What was that like? You know, having a guy who's who's in the NFL right now to help take you through this process, It's amazing. I'm just thankful because you know, he just did everything, like literally just did everything. Just did what I did in college. Now he's doing a protein. You know, he gave me many attempts and reminders that

I need. You know, I can ask me like a you know, like a Google. He's Google to me. You know, he's like a father's figure to me. So you know, I asked me anything I want. And you know, he's just amazing to have him because you know, he can tell me everything all ins and out um and just helped me and guide me and you know, just help me grow in the NFL. And you know, I'm tremendously I'm tremendously thankful and you know, just blessed to have

him and be in his position. Trayvon, you know you played in some big games and you you come from a big time program. Can you talk about the experience that Nick Saban and how he prepared you. I know he is on you those defensive backs, the techniques, things like that. How did that with his coaching, the big stage, all that prepare you for this opportunity now with the Cowboys.

It helps out so much because he was so tight on me and so on me every day and just you know, made me a better football player, because if he wasn't on me like that, I just shows that you know, he didn't care, but it shows that he does care that he keeps reminding me and telling me things that you know, even if I corrected it before, He's still gonna remind me and still remind me the little things. You know, he expects the best out of me.

So you know, I always got to be at my best on and off the field, and you know, just doing things right and you know, holding myself accountablees just building a lot of character and you know, just helping

me grow. And you know, I thankful, thankful for him in the University of Alabama because everything that they do there is just playing a factor who I am today, and you know I can't be one and thankful everything that we did all the sprints, all the workouts, all the yelling, meetings, everything, it's just, you know, it's been amazing. You know, I'm thankful I decided to go to that school and play on the coach Geam. It's just been amazing. I think him a lot too as well. I don't

know if my memory is failing me. You've played against Ceedee Lamb, haven't you, Trevlon No, I didn't. I didn't get to play against Ceedee Lamb. I was hurt that day year when when we went to the attempment to the playoffs. He had a good game too. Okay, see if you had any opinions on him or any thoughts on him. But so for a guy who is playing wide receiver in just three years of cornerback to be drafted in the second round of the NFL Draft, that's

that's quite an accomplishment. And it would see like that means your best football is certainly even ahead of you, even having been a really good college player. How much room for growth do you feel like you have in your game? I have femnisus amount of movement growth, and you know, I feel like, you know, that's that beneficial in my situation. Because you know I can learn. I can, you know, learn from the older guys. I can learn

from my coaches, I can learn my peers. And I have so much room for him from me that I'm a worker. I'm gonna work hard and I'm gonna get the promises. I'm gonna get that. All right, it's Treyvon Diggs, the Cowboys second round pick. Congratulations and welcome to the callous Dallas Cowboys. Treyvon, Congratulations, Trayvon, thank you so much. All Right, there he goes, Trayvon Diggs, your newest Dallas Cowboy, and from talking to him for five minutes, I like him. Yeah.

I'm a worker, I'm a worker. I'm ready. Yeah, So that's good. That's great. They've had a great first couple of rounds. And Sirie thinks that I'm talking to her for some reason and I'm not. That was so close to being an epic callback, Jeff, because I'm right there with you. I would have thought Diggs played against LAMB two. I mean, it seems like I was thinking. I was thinking playoff game. Did they play in a playoff game?

AAMA plays Ou and Clemson like every season. At this point, Jeff defined me for help, and I was like the old krusty scout man. I couldn't remember. I threw my gave it like palms up emoji guy, and Jef said, I'm going Bertieway was scout. I was pretty sure. I was like, No, Bama and Oklahoma played in the playoff game. Yeah, yeah, but you're the Oklahoma fan. You should have known him. I don't. I'm not a fan of any program. I am an observer of college football at the highest level,

and I go and watch Oklahoma again. Roll By Lsu just accepts. He accepts Amanda's sweet tickets is what he does. Here are the Chiefs at sixty three, with the sixty third pick twenty twenty NFL Draft, The Kansas City chief select Willie Gay, linebacker Mississippi State. Now there is a guy, Willie Gay junior, Dane Brugler, if you want to give us the scouting report and tell me if he had never had a suspension of any kind. Where does Willie

Gay Junior get drafted? Yeah? Maybe snuck into the first maybe. You know we're talking about does he go with that Jordan Brooks Patrick Queen group. Because this guy's explosive and not only initially, but as a finisher, he will strike through his target. Uh. Missed most of his past year

because it's some academic stuff. But this is a player who when you see him on the field, the range that he plays with and then he matched it at the combine with the testing that he did the jumps the forty Uh, this is a guy with a lot of ability. Uh, and so not surprised that he went off the board here in the second round. Insane athlete. He's got a good right, insane that to get a good right, a light cross, it's like a truck that regard. And as a tackler, yeah, he's such a fun player

to watch. He is like seriously, you watch him on tape and you're like, my gosh, he is not afraid to step up, take on blockers, get rid of them, and explode on these on these ball cares. I was really really impressed by him. I just I was. I just kind of was like every time I was like, he's gonna make a play, He's gonna make this play again. He's got But it was just that how much power that he played with. There's very few of those middle

linebacker type guys in this draft, but he's one of them. Yeah, he's the one guy you gotta look at. So the Chiefs have now taken Clyde Edwards to Hilaire in the first round, Billie Gay Junior in the second, and they got and they got the Lobardi Trophy last year. Yeah, those are nice picks for a team that doesn't really need a lot. Now they took they took a luxury pick on the best receiving back in the class, just

to make fun of us. All like watch this. We're gonna score thirty eight a game, so it'll be fun to watch. My favorite part of that was if you saw the call. Veach for the Chiefs was like, yeah, we just asked Pat what he wanted and he told us he lair. Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers gets a quarterbacks Damian Williams is sitting at the house like, man, that's really messed up. Pat, Like, I really helped you. Yeah for real. Damian Williams was like the Super Bowl MVP, let's be real.

Sixty four Carolina Panthers the final pick of the second round. The pick is in. We will be waiting for him to announce that pick. Carolina Panthers. Any clues on where the Carolina Panthers might be headed. This pick's moved around a little bit. It went from Kansas City, then it was Seattle's, now it is Carolina's here at sixty four

to end the second round. They've got defensive lineman both times, right, Yeah, they have they Yeah, they snagged Brown in the first and then they come back out and they get an edge rusher in the second round. Man, I would have said that Lynch would have been a great fit here for for the Panthers, reuniting him with Matt Rule out of Baylor. But after they went defensive line with the first two picks, hard to see them doing it again.

Our guy Zack bonstill sitting there. What about safety here though, Jeremy Chen maybe corner, possibly corner. Secondary help. They need secondary help after losing Bradberry to the Giants in free agency. All right, well, when we get back, we will have the Carolina with Panthers pick and we will be moving into the third round. Getting ready to get to that Dallas Cowboys pick at number eighty two. Listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three the

fan in Dallas Cowboys dot Com. And here we go, here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Sticking with it as we do have the final pick here of the second round David Hellman and Dane Brugler here. Jeff Kavanaugh and Brian brought us also along with us as well. But uh, guys, you've got the Panthers here, and then you move into the third and of course the Cowboys picking at eighty two. We still got a long way to go until we

get to that eighty second pick. But now you're starting to kind of see those names that drop that you didn't necessarily think, and Bond is one that continues to come up that is just kind of a question mark on why he's fallen this far. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how you can watch his tape and not be excited about him. I talked about a guy that I just kept seeing that every time that the ball was going away from him, I think he's not going to get there, but he'll make that play. You

know ed he's got the capability. Everybody now in this in this day and age, is looking or that that linebacker that can run, that can rush. I mean, this is a guy that's got tools to his game. It's just not just that one trick pony guy. As we say in scouting, here's a guy that's got something to his game. And and maybe maybe teams are thinking more about the deluded sample. Maybe maybe that's what's going on now. Brian broad Us, who loves the player, is saying he's

trying to keep waterway all that stuff like that. But with the collective bargaining agreement the way it is, i mean, if a guy's got a deluded test, don't you kind of like going? And so I would be like, I've done that. I've made a whole career. I've made a whole career looking away from the deluded test. I'm like, I'm like, give you the guy, give me that guy. Y'all take the deluded test. Brian, Yeah, do you know do you know who picks after Carolina? Can you see Cincinnati?

You know what, there's your team that's not afraid. Yeah. I always in my media, guy, I'm gonna say I worked with the Cincinnati Bengals. I'm just gonna lie. I'm gonna lie that I work for the Cincinnati Bengals, you know, because that's my team. When they just they don't care, I mean, they're basic out Borrow, Yeah, why not? Why not? But yeah, I just think it must be now teams are worried about what happened to him at the combine. And that's a shame that that's the case. But and

I thought we would now the collective bargaining. I've said it before. Can't be out there messing with the crippler. Yeah, Mike Fisher, the crippler aft there messing with the crippler. Yeah. Uh,

just to reset the board. Top five available players on my board, h Josh Jones tackle out of Houston, Yeah, Linebacker Zach Vaughn, Lloyd Cushionberry guards center out of LSU, Jeremy Chinn, safety out of Southern Illinois, and then Justin Mattaboutca defensive tackle out of Texas A and m Yeah, there must be something wrong with him too, you know that those character stuff. Well here, yes, we got the picks in. Let's see what happens here with the commissioner

in Carolina. Uh. And the last of second round, there's Jeremy Chin. There you go, Jeremy Chin off the board. Call that one you say I did? I didn't say Chin, Yeah, I said, I said position Dane was the one that guys, we were we were tag team in that one. But that is the final pick of the second round. Now you have the Bengals up, and with the Bengals past history, like David alluded to just a moment ago, you're thinking Zach Bond here saying they're not afraid, They're never afraid.

Is there an Ohio player on the board still here? But I'm thinking a big ten player, you know what I mean. The Brown family's all about that as big ten. This could be this could be Bonde. So wait, the Bengals. The Bengals went with Higgins at the start of this thing, right right right, Yeah, And I sat there and said, they need a tackle, and here I'm thinking they should draft Josh Jones thirty three. Yeah, and he's still sitting here. Okay,

that's what I would. Okay, Now, what's wrong with Josh Jones? Seriously? What is wrong with I mean, he's raw, right, but so what he guy? He has some character stuff earlier in his career, but I heard, you know, being a red Shard senior, he was passed all of that. So I don't know how much that plays in um he I'll put it this way. When you watched him on tape. Do you remember the best pass rusher you saw him go against? That was Marius Hamilton. That was unt zone,

So I'll throw that out there. That was my biggest worry with Josh Jones is all of his tape. I just didn't see him go up against a big time pass rusher. That made made me get really really jacked about what he could do. Now, he did a nice job of the Senior Bowl, but still the tape was good, but the competition level wasn't necessarily there. Yeah, and that's that's something you always got to worry about with those American Conference teams that don't play a strong out of

conference schedule. Maybe Oklahoma would probably be his his toughest. And I don't think that was great tape overall for Josh Jones. But there's a couple on board here. We just lost Logan Wilson to the Cincinnati Bengals. Smart pick yep A smart pick. The twenty twenty NFL Draft continues on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and one oh five three

the Fan. We are into Round three of the NFL Draft and we just had Wyoming's linebacker Logan Wilson go off the board to the Cincinnati Bengals at number sixty five, Cowboys pick at eighty two, and Logan Wilson. I think the biggest knock that I had on him was that he played at Wyoming. I mean, you want production, you want a guy, make him plays in coverage and against the run and tackling. Logan Wilson is a really good player. Making it all the way to sixty five. He's a

great player. And I think if I don't want to bring the room down again, but I'm going to because the blanket of the team now. Four of the last five picks have been guys that you would argue that you really wanted to fall to eighty two. You've got Fulton, Willie Gay, Junior, Jeremy chinon Logan Wilson. Those are four guys that they would have gone to eighty two. I would have been excited about. Who are you saying, NA about? I mean, maybe Jeremy Chin wasn't gonna be the pick

in Dallas. That's I just I don't believe he's gone now anyway, But I don't go as our fast food bet true and then and and my point and Logan Wilson, I think he's a good player, But it feels too early for a linebacker for me. I'm looking at linebackers on Day three, so I'm not sad about him going off the board. All Right, you guys want to reset. I know Dane set us up with his top five available recently. I've got my top five available for the Cowboys that I would like to see picked. That's left

in the draft right now. If you're following at home, we'll get it after the Washington pick. Right here. Gibson running back, Memphis running back slash, wide receiver, slash. Get the ball in the dude's hands and let him work. Very much like Tony Pollard last year Memphis. Different players, but same sort of thing. Get the ball in Antonio Gibson's hand and let him work. And I think that that is what Washington is going to do. He's a

pretty good one day. How's your scouting report on Antonio Gibson? Just get the ball in his hands, and I think what's the that's the debate. Is he a running back? Is he a receiver? All I know is when he had a chance to do something with the ball, he would create. And this is a He's a big guy at six foot two, hundred and twenty eight pounds, really good athlete. Ran in the leave. He got in the

four threes at the combine four three nine. So if you want to use him in a slot, you want to use him my jet sweeps, you want to use him out of the backfield. You can get creative with a player like this, and I think his best football

is ahead of him. So my top five guys for the Cowboys, And tell me if you guys want to add names or if you disagree with them, but where we sit right now, Zach Bond like it at Wisconsin, Justin Mattabuke at A and M that'd be great, Jordan Elliott at Missouri, Terrell Burgess at Utah, and Akeem Davis Gaither. That's my top five guys available to think are at

positions that could help the Cowboys. And I think there's gonna be one of those guys there because even with some of the names that are falling here, like a Josh Jones and an Ashton Davis, that's still on the board. And Prince Tega went on, I want to go from from Auburn. I mean, there's still picks to be made here, even quarterbacks that haven't gone, think about this might be the sweet spot for a Jake from or a Jacob

Easton to potentially go. I think there's some I would throw Neville Gallimore in there, that's true, Um, Julian Aquara from noted, Yeah, for sure, they'll sitting there. I would even How do y'all feel about is it? Is it too soon to talk about Zooniga Florida za Zooigay? Yeah, he would be a guy I would consider. I thought the traits I was worried about. I might have missed something there. I have him a lot higher than people do. But I was watching the Florida tape of him, and

I was seeing the first step quickness. I've seen a guy getting around the edge. I've seen a guy being disruptive. So I might be way way high on him. Yeah, I wish he wasn't so banged up in this in this most recent season. But so those are some Those are some defensive linemen. And then we hit on the centers. I don't think they need to do it. They have Connor McGovern obviously, Joe Looney's here, but I mean every

center except for Caesar Ruiz is there. Lloyd Cushionberry Tyler beats Matt Hennessey, So if they want to do that, they can. But I mean, for the most part, I think, Jeff, your list is is pretty solid. Well, thank you, thank you, Dave. How are we? How's everybody on Cameron Danceler? Did the forty scare you like it did me? I've got him bottom a second early third, but I'm here, I got

I pushed him down with a forty time. I'd be okay with him at eighty two though, if he's the best available there corner wise, I swear to god i'd gone already address corner that I'd have gone to start field and got him running a lot faster. Boys, I'm not talking four three faster. They said, Yeah, I don't. It was the thirty eight yard time he was faster. How can you? How can you know? Watch that tape and like be impressed by the way he played? Was

he does? He played well? Everybody's like, oh, he's a second round guy, and then he runs bad. Jeff goes, oh my gosh, he's in the fourth for me. Now, I mean, hey, Jamara, he didn't play Sloan, not at all. Yeah, I mean, I work with a bunch of Cowards, that's where he goes. I would feel fine drafting him at eighty two. But we're starting to get into a spot where I can you know, we're getting close enough to the point where you can envision what the board's gonna

look like. And I'm not convinced he would be your best available option. I mean, I think there's other names there that are more intrigued. Did we say say Okuara? Yeah, yeah we did. Okay, I'm sure he might be. I'm sorry. I would for me. For me, I think Oquara Gallimore and Jordan Elliott, oh and Bond obviously, like Bond is probably tops, but those are the names that really stand out to me right now. Burgess is my name that stands out. Yeah, scooped him up, Just scooped him up.

This more learning Dane scooped him in the mock draft. And I think getting a safety in here with coverage ability, reliable tackler, versatility, Yeah, I think for a team that's got two safeties on a one year deal right now, Xavier Woods and Haha, Clinton Dicks. If the right guy is there, and to me, that's the right guy at safety,

He's be happy with that. Has Detroit addressed their edge rush problem because they need an edge rusher, and I don't think they've picked one because they selected a Kuda. Oh yeah, no, and they took DeAndre Swift in the second round. So edge rusher man. Yeah, they might go, they might go not yeah, they might take Aquara here. Yeah. Curtis Weaver still out there as well. Oh, I didn't remember. I forgot about Curtis Weaver. Dane, were you okay with

him standing up all the time as a rusher? Weaver? Yeah, uh, he's he's tough to figure out. Bad body guys. Yeah, you know, he's predictable, but really good with his hands and you can't ignore the productions. So the Commissiers Dane real quick twenty NFL draft the Detroit Lions. So like Julian Ouah minebacker notre Day. I am a fan of Julian Aquara. I had him as a second round guy. I think the tools to be a really good pass rusher. I think he's got him. I think the athletic ability,

the movement, skills, the length. I liked a lot about him. I didn't think he was gonna make eighty two, but it would have been a lot of fun if he did so, Julian o'quara, Dane, you're scouting report there. I really struggled with him because I think you're you're spot on with the traits and the natural ability. The speed has a chance to be special off the edge, but he has no idea how to use his hands. He's a little soft in the run game. That really bothered me.

And I hate using that sword when talking about these guys because that's kind of a it's a cuss word. Yeah, it's not it's not nice, and so I apologize, but it's what you see, that's what the tape says. And it's just too many, almost most plays on his tape, you know. And so but you know, we're in the third round now, and so we're talking about traits, we're talking about upside of potential and what he can be. Uh. You know, the Lions are very familiar with the Acora family.

They had his brother. Uh they still have them, don't they. Yeah, he's is he still in the roster? You're still on the roster. I was trying to look that up right now, and I think you're very familiar with with that family. In the the ability that he has also a Notre Dame product, by the way, his brother. So now we got the New York Jets on the clock where it picks sixty eight Cowboys at eighty two. We're looking at Matt Patricia, which is a Lion's head coach, while the

Jets are on the clock. So that's kind of confusing. Or I guess it's at the aftermath of their pick. Yeah, okay, that makes more sense. So we're waiting on a Jets pick. Then it'll be Seattle and then Miami. We're here in the early part of the third round of the draft here on one O five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. New York Jets so far have added McKay Beckton to play offensive tackle. They've added Denzel Mims to play wide receiver out of Baylor, and this will

be their third pick of the draft. Outside of what they've already addressed on the offensive line and at wide receiver, where else might we think they're going cornerback help? They need corner in the worst way. And you know I mentioned it before. I don't think their fans could name the top three corners on their rosters. So it picks in Dance Ashton Davis say it's gone Ashton Davis. I think he could play a little bit of cornerback. I mean he looks like a corners two hundred pounds, So

I don't think that's necessarily this is him. Just put him at safety and that's it. Uh. They might be able to look at him as a nickelback, someone that can play a little inside, a little outside. Ashton Davis is a fun player. All right. Here's my problem with the Ashton Davis pick. I have a huge problem with this pick. He's not account you wanted him. No, I was fine with him going like Burgess actually better than Davis. I might be the only one, but I'm okay with that.

Burgess to me, now is going to be the next safety picked. Are there other options that could be the next safety pick that could keep him moving down the board. What if somebody likes Wallace from Wallace Wallace from Clemson, because if you watch him play, he plays like a slot player too. You know that weird? You get confused watching Clemson's defense. Yeah, I mean they do things with their secondary. You're like, oh, that's not sound, you know,

but yeah, no they don't. But they get away with it because they get their front home because they got Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, they got guys to get Yeah, I mean besides Burgess, you got Brandon Jones out of Texas, Yeah, out of Iowa, Tanner Music, Clemson. Stone's a good player, though. I like Stone. My safety's left goes Burgess and then Stone. And my next guy is actually the XFL guy, Robinson Robinson. Yeah, I forget about him. I like Kenny Robinson and then

Cavan Wallace and then Brandon Jones. But I worried that Burgess maybe the next safety off the board. And so we'll, uh, we'll keep track of just that's fine. Just push Sackbon all the way down. Just push Sackbon all the way to eighty two. And let's see. Could you imagine if Zach Bond was there at eighty two and you know, Lamb Trayvon Diggs and Zach Bond as your draft class in days one and two. I wouldn't mind that at all.

In another linebacker, I'll take app State to Keem Davis Gaither and if you want to try him strong safety, I'm at Snyder's about to pick him. Watch. John is gonna take a guy that can run, you know, linebackers that can run. Harry took one in the first round, though, well he doesn't care. You know, he doesn't care. In the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Amien Lewis Guards. There you go, damiens player drafted so far. I think no Delpit went to Cleveland guys. Oh yeah,

thank you. Second round Damian Lewis round scouting report from Dane Brugler. Massive guy, and this is someone that the LSU coaching style loves because of the meaner that he plays with, toughness. You don't see a lot of negative reps on his tape. Not the most mobile guy. You're not gonna ask him to be on the move very much. He'll bury you, yeah, in his phone and in his little phone booth. Yeah, you're right. He will beat you up and and bury you to the ground. So he's

a fun player. Yeah. I think he had to make a lot of plays because Christian Berry was kind of if he had time. I'm just saying that I sat next to cow I'm just saying now, boys are definitely drafting Christian Berry. Now if they do. If they do, great, I mean, will crack a Miller light if they draft I just just a wide bass guy. I'm sorry, I'm just don't. I mean, I see a catcher there. I just don't. I like the I like the other guy better from Temple. But hey, we'll see. Are we here? You?

We saw you just swerved out. Have you swerved out of your plane to fire a shot at cushion? John's put on some weight? What's going on? Oh? Wow, get on friends, You get on soda for six months and start taking shots at people's weight. Text him, text him and tell me fat. Say I said you're fat? I will I got just no Braw'll show you that he was. He's kind of wearing that football. Football guys who have let themselves go love to wear that wet pants now.

They just love to wear that like windbreaker outfits, like the like the ambiguous windbreaker thing. It doesn't really have sleeves up, No sleeves just kind of hangs down. I just, I mean, I'm not surprised because the Seahawks offensive line has been trying to get Russell Wilson killed for years. But I feel like they've added about nineteen old linemen

to that roster just this offseason alone. We get the Miami Dolphins on the clock at seventy we are working our way towards eighty two, will come back with the Dolphins pick, and then seventy one, seventy two, and all the way down to eighty two. You're listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three The

Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. And here's the internet side of things, as once again, I feel like this is every twenty minutes, but the Miami Miami Dolphins are on the clock again, believe it or not, because they've got just a handful of picks. Throughout the course of the draft, Cowboys just about outside of that range where we can start seeing how the board is shaping up. Kyle Yeomen's Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us, David Hellman and the great Dane Brugler with you here on the Dallas

Cowboys dot Com Draft show. And of course, with eleven picks left, there's a lot of things that can happen, but there are some really interesting names still available. Zach Bond, Curtis Weaver, Justin Mattabeke, Brandon Jones in like, excuse me, Kavanaugh was saying a little bit earlier. There's some safeties there that have some have some oomph to them if you're talking about Tarell Burgess maybe in that category as well.

So with the Dolphins on the clock here, they've had one of the more intriguing drafts because they've kind of gone outside of the realm of what we thought could happen. What do you think maybe again here with the Dolphins at seventy, we got to work through all the picks that they've already made. I know it's tough. You got to go back through chapters. Yeah, quarterback to h they took Austin Jackson at offensive tackle, Noah Igbanogny at corner

illstimate tackle here, ray Kuan Davis at defensive tackle. Fortunately, that team needs everything. If linebackers one of those things, Zach Bonn or Akeem Davis gaither, they would be at the top of my board for the linebackers. Harrison at Ohio State at linebacker. Right now, they've got ray Kwon McMillan and Jerome Bakers or linebackers, and I don't think they're feeling super great about that right So that being said,

I could see them going linebacker here. You can maybe say safety because I didn't hear a safety mentioned in there. They haven't taken one of them. They took a corner. We're trying to dodge that here, Kyle's on purpose. We're trying to dodge that. Kyle trying to get Drell Burgess there. Okay, I want Terrell Burgess there, and I don't want him to be the next safety picked. I would rather be like a Brandon Jones or uh, I don't even know

who we mentioned earlier in that con zone. Yeah, Gino Stone, that's fine, Yeah, that's fine, let him go and we'll we'll take Terrell Burgess. But I mean, I think linebacker or safety is probably where they could go here. Could they add a wide receiver? Maybe? Yeah, they could. Yeah, who's everybody's top wide receiver? Left? I bet this is where. I bet this is where it gets really fun because for me, it's actually kJ Hill, then Brian Edwards, then

Antonio Gandy Gold. Those are my top three receivers. Give me Edward, yeah, I would. I think you guys are hating on a great route runner in kJ Hill and not appreciate it. I love kJ Hill to death, but I can't draft a guy that runs I've got six five in the third round, I've got an incredible round there where it's got Prochet duven at Van Jefferson was in that group along with kJ Hill and Bowden. That was kind of Limboden Junior is my name. That was kind of my little group of like, oh, I'm kind

of keeping an eye on you guys over here. I'm really sad about I'm really sad that I just have to let go of all these receivers. I mean, I'd rather have Ceedee lamb. Don't get me wrong, but like I've been, I've been watching this position for months and maybe they double up on receiver, but it's not as high of a priority. I mean it's the fifty burger offensive thing, yeah for real. But Brian Edwards before Ceedee Lamb fell, Brian Edwards would have been a pipe dream

at eighty two. I would have loved that pick. Yeah, Brandon Jones just went we did. We got a different safety. You go, all right, suckers. Yes, I like Brandon Jones. I had him be in the fourth though, But I like Brandon Jones. But Roll Burges I got his two three, so hey, there hang their burges Cam interested because Jeff and I were split on this guy, Dane as far can he cover or can he not cover? I don't trust him in coverage. Yeah, I think you're I think

you're right. I think you want him. I wasn't impressed with him as a nickel, but the closer he was the line of scrimmage, that's where I liked him because I thought he did a nice job with the play in front of him. But when he had to turn his back to the ball, that's where I think, Yeah, I got a little money. I just kind of thought that he was a little bit of a better cover

guy than and and he's got an athletic ability. Jeff and I were going back and forth because people were asking us about him, you know, on our during our show, like what what's your problem with Brandon Jones? And I'm like, I think the guy can cover, yeah, But Jeff is like, I'd rather see him play down is where he and you know, it looks like the highlights are showing a little bit. That looks like they're showing a little coverage. He just needs to keep the ball in front of him.

I think if the ball, if he has to turn his back to the ball, That's where I thought he just he looked lost. So as long I think he could play high, as long as the ball stays in front of him, well him up like Jabrill Peppers, like forty five yards off the line. Here you go. Just get ready to be a punt returners, a safety. I like that plan. So what do we got? We got the Baltimore Ravens up at seventy one, working our way to eighty two or Terrell Burgess will be on the board.

This is the twenty twenty NFL Draft with Jeff Kavanaugh. Prian brought us Dane Hellman, Dane Brugler, and Kyle Yeoman niece. They lost to safety, but it was Brandon Jones, not Terrell Burgess. Here's Baltimore selection Justin Matta Bouque, defensive tackle Texas A and M. That would be a guy that is coming off of the list of guys I would love to see the Cowboys pick up at eighty two. Mada Bouque. I was. I was really high on his tape.

I had him. I liked him at the top of the second round, and here we are in the middle of the third where he goes and it goes to I think Dane and Brian some of the things that you hear about that I don't get to find out when I just watched tape. But on tape, man, I love the tools you have. I love was he six and a half sacks back to back years, back to back years of double digit tackles for loss. I think he can win early. I think he can pressure the quarterback.

And he's off the board at number seventy one. Well, it's funny. I was talking to a scout about George Elliott at a Missouri defensive tackle and Matt Bouquet saying, these guys got some talent they flash on tape. Had the scout kind of look at me, or actually he didn't look at me as over the phone, and he kind of I could hear in his voice though he was yeah. And the interviews did not go well for those two players and for different teams. So but the Ravens what do they do? They sit and they wait

and good players fall to them. And this is a power packed player, twitchy, he can rush, he can make plays in the run game or against the run. There's a lot to like about what he offers. I think that this is a guy I've said all along that I probably could be the wrong most wrong about you know, because I went back and forth on him about the twitch athlete and things like that, and then I just

saw like lack of awareness. Like there were times you watched him the Clemson game, he got trapped like four times in a row and they never figured it out. So I was kind of like going, gosh, dang, man, are you getting tired of getting hit in the side of the head. You know, play with your hands, keep that outside shoulder free. And then you know, but he's one of those guys. Dang's right though he can create turnovers. He can. He's got athletic ability. He just doesn't show

it enough. That's what bothered him. Here's here's a pick from the commissioner for the Arizona Cardinal Josh Jones, that finally took long enough. There is a free fall ending there for a guy that I had seen in some first round mox. It'll be Josh Jones there to the Arizona Cardinals at seventy two. So I played the you know, I played the game that draft nerds love to play, where you pick your top thirty two players that you think have the best chance to go in the first round.

Here it picks seventy two. I finally crossed them all off, which I'm not an expert expert, so I'm not surprised that it took. So I am surprised that the last guy to go is Josh Jones. I would not have guessed that heading into the draft. Well, and this is a guy who was even though he was at Houston,

he was recruited by Tom Herman to Houston. You got to think about whenever back when before Tom was the head coach of Texas and according to Pro Football Focus, I'm looking at the grade they have of him right now, and he was graded above a ninety three in almost every category. And so I like Josh Jones. I actually met him at the combine, which was kind of fun in the airport. He was on my flight, but he was unpredictable on his tape with his hands, and I

think that kept defensive linemen off balance. But we kind of talked about it earlier. Those defensive linemen were not necessarily the top of the cream of the crop. It was the American Athletic Conference. It was guys like Ladarius Hamilton from You and T and then also you you throw in maybe Oklahoma there as well. So I'm not surprised that he fell, but I'm surprised he fell this

far is kind of where I met Greed. Yeah, and I mentioned how you watch his tape and it was hard to get too excited about the competition he was going up against. That was my biggest issue with him. But in past protection, he just didn't get beat very often. And so you see light feet, you see the ability to mirror in space. Not a bully, not a guy that's going to overwhelm at the point of attack, but just a solid player who surprised in his tackle starved league.

Surprised he would last this long into the third, But look at the Cardinals get Isaiah Simmons in the first and then they don't pick again until a third. They had to feel pretty good about landing Josh Jones at this point. I actually, I think on Thursday night day and I said, how can you go away from a tackle if you don't pick until the third count? Twell, it worked out for him. This guy's a really good athlete, though, I mean, I was just going through my notes and

how he plays with range. He gets the second level easy. I mean, the contact balance was good. I mean, I was just I thought that the athletic ability allowed him to overcome any technical issues that he might have, you know, So I was I was impressed by this Scott. I thought maybe he'd get a little top heavy at times, but I mean he gets away with it just because of how good of an athlete he is. So now

we're at seventy three with the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're within ten picks of the Dallas Cowboys and trying to whittle these names down and see if we can't hone in on a couple of guys that would make sense for them. So I'm gonna start throwing out the names again. Zach Bonn, that's the big one. Is that name still getting closer? Zach Bonn, A Keem Davis Gaither, MALIEK. Harrison. Those are

my top three linebackers remaining. Terrell Burgess at safety out of Utah, Jordan Elliott at de tackle out of Missouri, Terrell Lewis pass rusher from Bama, Curtis Weaver pass rusher from Boise, and then I guess in Neville Gallimore, the Oklahoma defensive tackle. I've got Harrison Bryant, the tight end going around this area. I'm a big fan of his and Cushionberry. That's the names I would throw out there when I add anything to the pile. I'm still working

off my top fifty one I've got. As I look at my number, Zach Bond would be at twenty seven, I'm Ben, and then Cameron Danzler would be at forty four. Jabari Zagina would be at forty five, and then a Keem gather Davis would be at forty nine, and in Matt Hennessee at fifty. So that's kind of where I'm at. That's a center, a defensive end. Two linebackers on a corner is what I'm looking at off my top fifty one. Okay, guys, I want to play Devil's advocate here for a split second.

What about quarterback? Second or third round? I know there's plenty of names here. I would personally not even touch it. Here's my theory on backup quarterback. If you're firing off one of your fifth round picks, because is if he played a couple of games and played well or looked good in preseason, maybe you could flip that later for a two or three suite. But if you're picking him in the third round, especially with names there, can you

really build that guy's stock. He's probably not gonna play. But even if he did, are you really gonna up what that value from a third round pick in a game or two or in some preseason games. I get it with a five or a six, But with a three, what if not unless I'm thinking I'm picking a guy who might start Let me ask you this, just in

a thought about the quarterback. What if you did take a guy like from and and he's like a career backup guy, you know, like DA's Dak gets signed, but you have a good, stable backup guy that's not gonna cause problems and stuff like that. You know, does that make sense? No? D You know? I mean, okay, who's like, who's the best? Is your Is your quarterback signed long term right now? David? No, he's not. Okay, then then you should be really quiet right now because why because

because he under contract? He is he is he under club control. Okay, he's under you want do you want to continue to go down the path of every year having a franchise tag the guy? No, I want to sign him? Okay, as he signed. No, why is he not signed? Why is he not signed? The because money is a b. It's not money, Dave. It's years. It's four years or five years, is what it is. And you're not willing to to to and and what Jake from is going to be your leverage to fix this

magical situation. I am just saying though that if you, if you thought enough of the guy to do that as a starting quarterback, if this guy, if this guy didn't sign with you, I don't think you could discount now me personally, I would go out and sign that. I'd go out and signed the kid it was at Tampa, you know, or or that that's who I would go sign. Yeah, I would go sign jameis Wits. If you want to play and still out there, Yeah, if you want to

play a round with me at quarterback, that's fine. You know, if you want to hold me up and you know I'm trying to make you a decent offer. Okay. Who are like? Who are like the best career backups in the NFL over the last like decade or or or maybe more. Culton McCoy keeps hanging around, didn't he? Yeah? Nick Foles, I had Super Bowl. Well what did another team in the NFC East do in the second round? Yeah, their guy can't stay on the field. Well, our guy

never leaves the field. I'm just saying. I also doesn't have a contract though, Yeah, exactly, he does have a contract. He has a one year contract. No, not kind of, he's under club control. I understand he'll play for the Cowboy. You know, Okay, it's not Jake fromp But I'm just saying you, no, I'm just saying that even worse. No, No, I'm just saying if you, if you don't look at your quarterback situation, then you've got your head in the sand. Miss.

They absolutely should draft a guy. They should do it with one of the last Let's take again who I was really wrong about? Yeah, so what it didn't work out? It's it's low risk. What's what like? What's what are you gonna get from Jake? From what is realistically gonna happen. You will not get a lot of picks, Like, you won't get a lot of picks for him, or he won't throw a lot of picks. He won't throw a lot of picks. It's the best I got on from He will not throw a lot of a lot of

games the SEC. He'll be responsible with the football. You have a twenty six year old quarterback who has very rarely Basically the last month of last season was the only time he's ever shown wear and tearror. Jacksonville pick is in Dave, and then I want you and Brian to keep fighting because I love it. Here's the seventy third pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft. The Jacksonville

Jaguars select the Von Hamilton. Those tackle Ohio State. Okay, there you go, defensive linemen off the board that you could have seen the Cowboys being interested in Guy to play the one technique for you, a little bit of a run stuffer who you hope can offer a little bit more than that. He wouldn't have been exciting for me though at eighty two though, no Neile Okay, already get excited. Boy nose tackles. But Von Hamilton one of

the most improved players this year. He was a priority free agent for scouts over the summer, but he turned it on as a senior kind of really things clicked for him. You saw him dominate Guy. It's different centers start the league throughout the big ten, and he did a nice job and turn himself into a third round pick. So the Von Hamilton going in front of guys like luck, he foted to Jordan Elliott Neville Gallimore. So a nice job by him to put himself in this position. Zach

Bonn still on the board. That's act. Before we got derailed with the quarterback talk, I was actually I mean, I'm the guy that loves to say good luck finding pass rush help outside the top fifty like it just it doesn't have a great track record. But I'm sitting here, eighty two are close to eighty two getting there, and I feel very encouraged about what you might be able to get to help your pass rush. Oh yeah, I mean Bond. But I would also throw in Terrell Lewis

and Curtis Weaver. I think that there's I think there's a few guys maybe they could do it. Here's the Saints pick, the New Orleans Saints with the seventy fourth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft. The New Orleans Saints like Zach Bond, but what is this? Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis, what are you guys doing? It's a terrible pick. The Saints did this last year with Eric McCoy. They did this last year with the Chauncey Gardner Johnson.

The Saints really do a nice job with you know, they don't have a ton of draft picks, but when they see a player fall, they just seem to go get him or be in a position to get him. So this is a player that if we saw him go in the first round at number twenty four, I don't think any of us would have batten nigh. Yeah, And I think it's something that the cow Boys are really famous for doing with guys like Ceedee Lamb. So let the guy fall to you and go ahead and

take the good players. So we're gonna lose Zach Bond and we're gonna have to reshuffle here, and yeah, that's messed up. And Kyle, I pretty much blame you. Thanks. Uh. You seem to be like the guy who was pulling for it the whole time I was pulling for I just didn't expect him to go all the way down. Well, Dave and Brian were fighting seventy five, you were texting people to take Zach Bonn, and that messed up. I was hitting up my sources in the New Orleans Saints

to get it done. I know you were. Dave's got sources too. He probably gave you people to talk to the Cowboys, and I've got sources in the Saints. Well, I really like Zach Bond. I think, um, what's your play here now? What? Like? What is what's there for you? Now? Burgess, Terrell Burgess is there for you? A Keem Davis Gaither, Curtis Weaver, Terrell Lewis, Cushion, Barry Jordan Elli picks ahead of the Cowboys the Raiders. They pick at eighty and

eighty one. Tarrell Burgess seems like I'm like Mayok type of player. Hey, Dane, Hey, this is what we need to do. You need to look at realistic possibilities here. And I think those are two landmines sitting Grudon as we speak. Do it? Tell him you heard some really bad stuff? Actually do this? Yeah, called Grudon up. I bet Dane could too. He might have to back channel it. I bet Dane could find his way to Grudon if he needed to. Maybe not him, but maybe a general manager. Okay, yeah, exactly,

you know. Okay, Well, a position we haven't talked about. What about one of these tight ends. What about when he's tight? We know they like the UCLA kid. Yeah, and I know Dane really liked Troutman from Dayton was a guy and je Harrison Bryant has Harrison Bryan is a guy. Yeah under Bryan as well from Washington. A little bit of a different mindset with him though than maybe Blake Jarwin and Blake Bell. Well they can't well Blake Bell can block, but Darwin can't box, Drolin can't.

So they'd be fine right along the same lines. Yeah, they can teach each other. It'd be great. Detroit Lions are on the clock at seventy five. Go ahead, Brian, Now I was just looking. Is there anything, is any reason why traded the seventy fifth pick the Detroit Lions. With the seventy fifth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft,

the Detroit Lions select Jonah Jackson guard Ohio State. Dane Bruler scouting report Jonah Jackson another phone booth blocker, a guy that's not going to give you a ton of range athletic ability, but if you get in his square, he is going to get his hands on you and dominate you. He was a big part of stabilizing that Ohio State offensive line this year. He was a grad transfer coming in from Rutgers and one left guard spot and was a big reason why JK. Dobbins and Justin

Fields had so much success. So seeing him go US early here in the third round not not that big of a surprise. And now we have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on the clock. Their pick is in. We'll get that pick and we'll continue to work our way towards number eighty two for the Dallas Cowboys. You're listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three

the fan in Dallas Cowboys dot Com. All right, here we are on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and we've still got a little bit of a ways to go, but we're starting to get into that range of starting to fill out exactly what that board is going to look like when it comes to the Cowboys picking at eighty two. CD lamb Treyvon Diggs both already selections for the Dallas Cowboys and Brian. I know there's a lot of defensive players on the board here still, but we were just

talking about some of the tight ends. Is there any chance you go offense and I'm not just talking about skill positions, but even interior offensive line here with maybe a cushion Berry on the board. Yeah, you know, Jeff and I've always in our show, it always has these discussions about cushion Berry Hennessy. I mean, I've got him in the same round, so I mean, but I have Hennessy. Their tags are touching just above him here. The Buccaneers are about to make their pick. Let me just get

it for you here. But yeah, to finish up, I just think the athletic billy of Hennessy at Temples a little bit better than Kushion Berry, powerful guy Cushion Berry at LSU. But I just feel like they're gonna give their guy an opportunity. They drafted, you know, it's a Shawn Vaughan, the running back from Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt. Yes, because Sean Vaughan, running back Vanderbilt, just got selected by the

Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Dane. That's an intriguing pick from twenty eighteen in my mind, But twenty nineteen it was not a great year for him overall and all of Vanderbilt. There Kalija Lipscomb, the receiver, Jared Pinkney, the tight end. None of those guys really stood out. But Vaughan had a lot of fans coming into the year, and just a lot of them still stayed on that Vaughan vandwagon. Apparently the Bucks liked them. Surprise, he went here at

seventy six over some of these other running backs. But he's a good player. He can run inside, run outside, He's got some production in the passing game. There's a lot to like about him, even though he didn't have the greatest year. Well, Dany, let me ask you this though, Moss. You know, I mean, he was a guy that a lot of people had. The Utah Kid had hints. Yeah, So the medicals what's killing him right now? I probably because he's banged up with the knee. I mean he

was getting shots into his shoulder down the stretch. Okay, I think. I mean he's a better running back, we can agree there. But the medicals I think are probably the problem with him. Well, now running back seems to get a little bit thinner. I mean, Zach Boss, you know, Benjamin, These aren't necessarily guys that the Cowboys would be interested in.

But if you're looking for teams to maybe take some of those guys ahead of you to to maybe sure up your defensive talent that's on the board that's starting to get a little bit thinner than we originally saw. Yeah, surprised by von this high though, guys, Yeah, I am too, especially because again I didn't have the on Moss and being with the you know, the shots and stuff like that. So he's going to be a guy that you know you have in the third round there and then he

didn't get taken and you're like, okay, what happened? And you ask people around and it's what is exactly what Dank just told you. Yeah? Those just eat you up, don't they? Brian? Oh heck yeah they do. Absolutely they do. Can't wait till about tomorrow at about one thirty when you've just got a blinking red guy who's been there for for a round and a half. We've done this draft together now a long time and it happens every year. Yeah, we're wondering why, Okay, what's wrong? It's always got a

heart condition. But you know what, you're like, I love you. You're still so invested in it that you take it that personally, and that's what makes you the goat I think this is a good conversation to have because with pro days and with some of those medical rechecks being rescheduled, Yeah, we might not know about it. As media members, we don't have that inside that normally scouting departments would maybe allow us to see. Maybe even the scouting departments don't know,

is what. That's a great point, Kyle, because they didn't have in the first weekend of April. They didn't have those medical rechecks, and a lot of those guys that had problems at the combine never got looked at again. And so you know, those those trainers and doctors did a good job, but probably you know, exchanging information what they had on these guys. But unless you went to the combine, you know, they don't they'll probably have all

that all that to work up on you. Twenty twenty NFL Draft continued on one o five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. All Right, welcome back, Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us, Dane Brugler, Kyle Yeoman's and Dave Hellman here with you. One oh five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. The Denver Broncos are on the clock, and the pick is in we'll get the Bronchos pick

shortly at seventy seven. The Cowboys pick at eighty two, and we are keeping a sharp eye on a small handful of names to see if certain guys can get down there for the Dallas Cowboys and if they'll take the guys that we keep talking about. But I keep going back to Dane's mock draft. This morning, I took the lazy route of just running one of the simulators and then making a pick, and both came up with the same names. He just worked a lot harder for it,

and you could read his work. Terrell Burgess is the name that I'm keeping an eye on the Utah Safety. I think that would be a great fit for what the Cowboys need and for picking a guy that's somewhere up there towards the top of your board. Terrell Burgess is the name I'm keeping an eye on, but he's not the only one. There's a handful of other names to be looking for at positions that could really help

the Cowboys. And do we need to start thinking about would they take a center we had we heard the name Ruiz, I haven't really heard the name Cushionberry with them I mean, I've got him graded here. But I've heard rumor of Hennessey. I have heard that that's a guy that they like. I don't know how him. Yeah, I've never had Kyle. You're talking about drinking right that too, But I'm talking about you know, I that would Miller light.

Of course. I wonder if they would go center or they do the tighten because we've heard a lot about Assisi, Devin ASIASI from But but there's people also that will tell you that there's Dane. Correct me if you've heard this too, that like the football. There's some football character issues with this guy. Have you heard anything? Yeah? Does he really love football? Kind of a thing? Right Well, he went to Michigan and then had transfer back. He

suspended a few games early on for UCLA. So there are a few questions there, no doubt in terms of uh putting in the work, maximizing his ability. Um, you know, not the most physically impressive guy, both you know, body wise and UH testing wise. You feel like he has the skills to be a solid player. He might not be a great route runner, might not be a great blocker, but he's good in both are Let's go the Commissioners draft, the Denver Broncos select Michael O. J. Moodia, defensive back Iowa.

Oh that's actually a guy that I kind of liked out of Iowa. He's one of those guys that I think, even as just a you know, six one two hundred pound and look at the athleticism, I kind of viewed him as a little bit more of a developmental guy. But here we are, I guess in the seventies, and that might make a little bit of sense. Did you see him better than that day? And I saw a guy that I really liked the traits. I don't know that the player as somebody i'd want to throw onto

my NFL field at the moment. It's a good way to sum him up, was Yeah, he's six one, two hundred pounds and when he ran the four four five at the combine, I think he kind of knew, Okay, he's going to go somewhere high. I gave him a fourth round grade because I tape was probably fifth round, and then after his testing. Okay, i'm u put him in the fourth because of the traits. But yeah, this is a guy who gets out leveraged a little too easily. You know you like the physicality, but when he got beat,

he struggled to recover. He just doesn't have that twitch to him. But he's smart, he's physical. You like the length, So understand why the Broncos will go this direction at this point. And that'll take us to the Atlanta Falcons at number seventy eight. As we're getting closer and closer to number eighty two for the Dallas Cowboys, the Atlanta Falcons, let me see if I can get their draft so far pulled up here, which is going to take me

a second. Well, while you do that, I don't want Kyle to be the only bummer here, So all right, I'm doing. I just want to take you through my thought process because I liked to Rrel Burgess too. I think I in my final mock for Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I think he was my pick at eighty two, so I'd be thrilled with it. But one, can you trust

him to survive these next few picks? And two I just can't help but look at this list of available defensive linemen, and we know they went best player available last night, but we also know they don't really value safety that much. That's never been a thing that they do, and for all I know, they might just be sitting in there like, well, yeah, we have Haha and Woods and we can just sign guys next year. This is fine. And I look at I look at Neville Gallimore and

Jordan Elliott sitting there. I look at Terrell Lewis sitting there, which is Curtis Weaver. I mean, I'm gonna throw in Zuniga as well, and that is a healthy list of names that are probably more talented than I expected to be here at eighty two. And so that's just where my radar is right now. But James lyn yeah, I'd throw him in there too. Well. I know people are talking about him playing more of as a three technique.

I don't know where to play it. Here's a commissioner at the podium now or his beyond, to take care of our most vulnerable. You have our full support, and that with the seventy eighth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select Matt Hennessey Center Temple. There you go, now, Brian, I know you are a big fan of Hennessy. I believe he was your top center on the board. So you want to hit us with the Matt Hennessey scouting report that he center for

the Falcon. I will do my very best here with Matt Hennessey here if I can get to it. Uh you know, I'm technologically struggling at times. Uh yeah, this with Hennessy. He's an undersized guy, but he's got really good movement. He's not the strongest guy, you know, but he plays with really good foot quickness and positioning. He's kind of a getting away blocker, but he'll use his feet to stay in position with his man. His contact balance I thought was good. He's not going to drive

anybody off the ball. If you look at what the Falcons do scheme wise, that outside zone stuff like that. I mean he's he's going to be very very capable for doing this. He'll slide across, he'll pick up rushers. Uh you know, I don't know if he'll function really well with a heavy man on his nose. But the scoop, the reach, all those stuff, anything you have to do athletically, he can. He can handle that stuff. Well. He's another

guy also that shined on film against lesser competition. He's got a brother that that played for Duke for a little bit, and he's got that family pedigree, but I I liked him a lot up at the top. I wrote an article a couple of weeks ago when Travis Frederick retired saying, here's five guys in the draft that could replace Travis Frederick, and I had him as one of the top guys out of those five that could

potentially come in and do the job. So the fact that he's off the board here makes me kind of a little sad because maybe at least that option wasn't there at eighty two. Not that I would have really wanted him to go with an interior offensive lineman at eighty two, but at least he would have been on the board when that pick came around. So we're on the Jets at seventy nine so far in this draft, and their pick is in. We're just waiting for the commissioner.

But so far in the draft, the Jets have gone McKay Beckton Louisville offensive tackle, Denzel Mims, bay lloroid receiver in the second, and Ashton Davis, the safety out of Cow in the third. This is their second third round pick, and they have a third third round pick later in the round. Needs for the Jets. They haven't taken a cornerback yet, they haven't taken a linebacker yet, they haven't taking an offensive wineman Yette. They have addressed the wide receiver,

maybe a running back. They could go all over the place with the New York Jets. Here at pick number seventy nine, Dane, have you reset your big board recently or your your top one hundred players? Who are the top guys? Yeah, let's see. You have guy Lloyd Cushionberry I think is the top guy. Yep, he's the top available. Trell Lewis is next. Although Lewis it's all medical with him, some teams just removing them from the board because of his knee. That could be something that uh, you know,

he could fall into Day three. That's very possible. Could be this year's Josh Sweat that type of player. So a Keem Davis Davis Gaither linebacker at of app State would be next. Then Adam Troutman the tight end out of Dayton, Curtis Weaver pass rusher at a Boise State, and then George Elliott defensive tackle out of Missouri. So still some big name players with talent that are available as we get within four picks of Dallas and some

of those names. Yeah, it sounds like either they would be or we just hope they would be interested in. As you go through a few of those names, it seems like a fit for the Cowboys in terms of pass rushers, maybe the linebackers, although maybe that was just them doing the due diligence on the guys that we're going to go in the first round in case they

moved around or they got stuck. Or do we think they're a team that seems like they enjoy picking mid round linebackers pretty much every year, Dave, What do we think or know about their interest in linebacker? Could have just been those top guys as a just in case,

or do we pay attention to them all the way through? Yeah, that's a I mean me personally, I've always targeted Day three for a linebacker, but I would be lying if I've heard a lot of specific names, either Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen or the two that we really heard linked, you know for monement, Like I'm very intrigued by Marcus Bailey out of Purdue. I don't know if the Cowboys are h Jacob Phillips out of LSU I think is a really underrated player. But I haven't heard any of

them linked to the Cowboys. Um, so that's that's gonna be something to watch. I just I think it makes too much sense. Maybe with one of those fifth round picks, UH to draft some depth at that position. But like I said, I haven't heard any name beyond those first rounds. I'll tell you what that app State kid Davis Gaither can play. I mean you you watch him and you're and I know will probably won't take but that state should count. They play the big boys and give him trust.

I'm saying every year, you don't want to schedule him early in the year because they'll take you down. They'll take a check, he'll beat you. Yeah, exactly, But I just watching him. Go Dave draft the New York Jets select Jabari Zuniga, defensive end Florida. All right, Brian, guy, you want to hit us with the scouting report on your guy before Dave attacks app State, hit him, reason, hit him real quick. I'm doing some paperwork, okay, Dane, go ahead and hit us with Jabari Zuniga. Zuniga's a

face up pass rusher. He's not going to bend the edge or you know, win with just pure speed. He's gonna go right at you, use his length and try to bully you, try to overpower you. He was very productive as a junior, then missed a big chunk of the senior year due to injury, but still a very good player who I think tested a lot better. And we thought two hundred sixty five pounds and he ran in the mid four sixes, and so the testing numbers

were there, the tape was there. Just a quality passed rusher reminds me a lot of you know, the Jets drafted Jordan Jenkins out of Georgia a couple of years ago. Similar type of player here at this point in the third round. Yeah, I mean, right now, they're showing the highlights. One of the games I watched and it was Miami, and he the game. He killed the game at the end, the pressure that he was able to make a couple of different times. I think Dane's got him absolutely right.

The type of player. I did see a little bit more quickness with him. He's got some traits that are that will impress you, but you know, he could be really inconsistent at times. You know, there's quickness and then there's snaps where he's laid off the ball, and then like a time about the Miami game. Uh. You know, I was a lot higher on him because I did those traits flashed at me and I'm thinking, Okay, find a guy that's got some traits, find some guy that

can maybe capture that edge. I probably had him way too high to where I got him, but I'm glad he finally got picked here by the New York Jets. I wonder I think he would have been in pretty serious consideration if he had lasted another couple picks. We'll never know now, but that's what I think. Vegas defensive line in general has him or has defensive line need at least at eighty two. So I think you could still throw maybe a Curtis Weaver or Jordan Elliott in there.

Sure Vegas was going double pick here, and I hope when they announced the first one they just announced them both got two picks. Don't you know them both? No, they never do that. This isn't This isn't the first time we've had back to back picks. This is this is the two land mines that I mentioned before. Dane, just tell us, what are you doing Dane. Dane knows this morning. No, I just look when you think about Mike Mayock and what he's looking for, John Brud, what

he's looking for. Troll Burgess is a player where they just the coaches that Utah won't shut up about him. Kyle Willingham, Kyle Winningham was a pro coach for a long time. Yeah, the defensive coordinator Skali mean, they talk about him as you know, he's he's one of their sons and so big special teams guy, versatile. Uh So, there's a lot of the picks in right now. Let's go to Namily joins me and offering our condolences as we join you tonight in honoring Rico's memory by making

this next pick in his honor. With the eightieth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Las Vegas Raiders select Lynn Bowden hon Kentucky the other picking a quarterback here, how but they're listening to him as a wide receiver. That's interesting? Why huh? Yeah? Lynn Lynn Bowden junior, Holy cow, what a fun all purpose player. I need to give a shout out to my brother Seth, who went to

actually went to high school with Lynn Bowden. Here in Warren, Ohio and told me about him five six years ago, how good this guy was, and so cut them on my radar, and man, he was right. This is a good player. Just is he gonna running back? Is he receiver? Just just get the ball in his hands. He's got some lower body power to him. He can make guys miss. A lot to like about Lynn Bowden and what he can bring to your offense. Well, and he's also a

return threat. I mean one of those videos that kind of surfaced again this past week was a return that he had or it wasn't even a return. He was the punter on special teams because of course the guy plays every position out there, and then he took it one hundred and eight yards to the house after a fumbled snap because he just looked like a man playing amongst boys. So that continued into college. Even at the

SEC level. He was all of Kentucky's offense. He's over the course over the course of the season, he is He's one of the most everybody in the Everybody in the SEC knew that he was limited as a passer and that they were just gonna run a run based offense, and nobody could do anything with him. Anyway, they averaged like one hundred and seventy eight rushing yards per game

with a wide receiver playing quarterback. I actually I talked to Randall Cobb in the Cowboys locker room about Bowden during the season, and Cobb obviously went to Kentucky and he's like, he's the best Kentucky player in history. And I was like, whoa, dude, you realize you went there too, And he was like, yeah, I said what I said? Wow, So that's pretty high praise. Yeah. I think the world of him. I can't wait to watch him in the NFL. All right, Vegas has made one of their picks, but I, oh,

you well, we're talking about him. Holy cow. Hey, guys, have I told you thought something the show? I told you guys something. I'm super excited about us, Jeff. Join us in the Dallas Cowboys Draft Day Virtual five k presented by Baylor's Scott and White Health and give back to those on the front line on Saturday, April twenty fifth, runner walk from your home hashtag to the front line and celebration of Draft weekend. Registration is free. Register online

today at Dallas Cowboys dot com slash Draft live. I was just excited about telling you guys that wanted you to know. Why did you let us know? Yeah, I thought that that was something you guys would want to know. I also wonder if you would want to hear what Roger Goodell says for their second pick to the Bigot. With the eighty first pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Las Vegas Raiders select Brian Edwards, wide receiver South Carolina.

Much like Screw could not help himself. Much like South Carolina's core receiver in the draft last year, get that dude the ball and see who he runs over. Brian Edwards is a tough, tough dude once he has the ball in his hands. So they just remade their whole receiver corps in two days. Yes, they did three rugs, Lynn Bawd and Brian Edwards. That is fun. Who's the course of thretty good players? Derek carr Well Cowboys are on the clock at number car Gonna throw it down

field of these guys or how's that going to work? Oh? They just know you had to run after. They just run after. Yeah, run us lant route over the middle. The Dallas Cowboys are on the clock. Officially at eighty two right now and the pick is in. By the way, it didn't take them long. But we'll look at the

options until we actually get the announcement. My best guys Terrell Burgess, Utah safety, the Keem Davis s gather App State linebacker, Jordan Elliott, the d tackle out of Missouri, Terrell Lewis at Alabama, the pass rusher, and Curtis Weaver the pass rusher at Boise, along with Lloyd Cushionberry at center, maybe Cameron Danceler and Meek Robertson at corner. But those are the names that I've got. I think the defensive tackle here we didn't mention Gallimore was a guy to

the Oklahoma kid. I love his effort. By the way, I may have a couple of times with the ball broke and he was able to go make that play. So where would you play? I mean, he's a three technique. I think Gallimore is a three technique to me. I just I saw him get pushed around on tape, which I didn't love. But you did see a lot of snaps where you're like, oh, there's there's some initial quickness here that maybe wasn't measured at the combine, but there's

some initial quickness here to beat blockers early. How about the pairing between what could be Gallimore and then Gerald McCoy, two Oklahoma products on that defensive line. You throw Don Torri Poe in there as well, that would be fun to me. Honestly, I was still kind of looking at the secondary. But now that you've kind of brought up Gallimore, I like that idea. The fact that he's even here. It's I mean, I would prefer an edge rusher, but you know, those options kind of got taken away from you.

And I mean, you would you be comfortable with Weaver here? I don't think so. Me personally, I don't really like Weaver. I wasn't. I went and spent some more time with him earlier this week, and I just didn't see anything that translated to what I think the Cowboy want to do. The NFL Draft to Dallas Cowboys select Neville Gallimore, defensive tackle, Oklahoma. Okay,

there's a guy we're talking about, Neville Gallimore. Guy. You see him with the initial quickness winning early in the in the plays, as a guy that's able to penetrate as a pass rusher and kind of shoot gaps in the run game. I had questions about his power and his ability to anchor. What do you guys see on the scouting report for Neville Gallimore. I saw a player who he would get to the backfield, but then he

wouldn't finish. I think he has some uh some struggles to really uh turn make hard directions in small areas. Love the quickness, I just wish he was a better finisher. And you know, we don't like the harp too much on the production, but this is for a guy with these types of traits. I wanted to see more than eight and a half career sacks, you know, and I don't again, I trust the tape every single time, but production matters, and he just didn't have the backfield production.

From a guy that's nicknamed the Canadian Bulldozer, you just expected a little bit more. But he is a very toolsy player. You love the effort, you love the quickness. So I think his best football is ahead of him, and so just hopefully this coaching staff can get it out of him. Yeah, I think Dane's got him dead on and the ability. I thought the pressive thing about him was his ability to get play with range to get to the outside, you know, chase the ball, all

those kinds of things. But he's a guy that when you watch you play, he doesn't stop. Everything is fast, it's quick, keeps going. He tries to do his best. But Dane's right about the finish there too. Ceedee Lamb in the first round, Neville Gallimore now in the third round, and Trey Von Diggs in the second round for the

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You're listening to the twenty twenty NFL Draft on one oh five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot com, and we continue on the Cowboys Socials as well as the Cowboys website after the eighty second pick. Here in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Neville Gallamore, Oklahoma defensive tackle guys. Are we happy overall with this? I know with a fit, yeah, and it makes a lot of sense. This is another

solid pick. Are they three for three? Though? I will say no, because for me, he wouldn't have been one of the top I haven't graded as a third round player, and they picked him in the third round, so that's fine. But one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. I had seven or so guys ahead of him, but that's still towards the top of my board, So I won't kill him for it. But I some guys that I liked

better than him. They like college players that wear crimson and white, at least in the course of this draft right now, because the two Oklahoma guys in an Alabama cornerback. So one of the things at least that I had written down on my film study of him is that he didn't have as much bend as I kind of wanted to. And you could see that at least in the combine drills where the change of the direction was

a little bit stagnant. Is that something that you would be worried about here, because, like Brian was talking about, he's a sidelines the sideline kind of guy. I don't know if that's a whole lot of a worry as long as he's got some got some lateral and some athleticism too. I think Dane's kind it perfect though that the finish is the thing you worry about if you're if you're going to get in position and play with

the range and things like that. I think he'd have been if if he was a better finisher he had have he'd be a second round guy. He wouldn't be in the third round. I think there's people that have a lot of questions. I know I have questions about him. Uh, you know that would be like to finish, you know, if you get in position, make it happens. There's times where guys get away from him and stuff like that, and I think that's a little bit disappointing for him.

I did like his forty though. He ran a four seven nine. A big guy like that, you shouldn't be running a four seven nine of the combine six two three oh four. You could see that on his film as well. Man there was one play in in his Big twelve championship game against Baylor that stuck out to me. Dan Well that three combe though seven nine to seven. Yeah, that's abysmal and so you do that speaks to the you know, lack of change of direction, skills, the inability

to finish in tight areas. That's kind of what you worry about with them. And again, for a player with all that ability, you just you wanted to see better production. But I think context is important here. Oklahoma would line him up, head up over the center. Yeah, those tackle You know, he wasn't asked to just let loose and win as a three technique in a lot of situations. So I think if he is in the right situation,

that that is something that could really help him. And what does this say about Triston Hill and his how he fits with moving forward? Nobody here's got loyalty left to him, right, Yeah, I mean you got a new coach, you got a new coaching staff. They don't have any loyalty to the to the previous right guys, let me Dane before we bury Tristan Hill. Let me ask you this though, I because I am I mean, I don't

dislike the pick at all. I'm you know, he's not one of my favorite players, but if fits a need, I think you know, it fits the draft slot. I don't dislike it by any means, but knowing what we know, you know, Mike Nolan, it seems like they're going to be a little multiple. They could, you know, mess with their front a little bit. They've got Poe and McCoy who can play in both fronts, who also are going to start. So there's no starting spot for Neville Gallimore.

What what does his rookie season look like? Is this just a rotational guy? Does he have the flex to play a variety of different positions? Can he play three and one? Could he maybe do some three four defensive end if they wanted him to? What do you think? I think you go to training camp and say you've got a chance to win a job here, let's see what you can do. And because I think he does have the ability uh to do that. He was a

four year starter at Oklahoma. He's played a lot of football. Uh. Can he be the guy that steps up and wins a job? I think he can. He just needs to be more consistent. Uh. And the thing that really helps him, that will really go a long way with his coaching staff is the effort. Who Texas Tech game, Oh my gosh, effort, play, absolute effort, play after effort, play and he's affecting the game with his hustle, and that's something that the coaches will love. Is this the first Senior Bowl guy that

we've seen for the Cowboys? Because I don't believe was the Senior Bowl. I didn't think so. So this is the first Senior Bowl selection. It's actually that the Cowboys have made. I love the way the draft brings this full circle because Neville Gallimore and Justin Matta Bouquet were We're probably the first two guys that we were really on. Yeah, you're exactly right, all the way back to the Senior Bowl and low and behold. I mean Gallimore was one of our first names, and here he is on the

team three months later. I'm pulling up my notes on what I actually had on him at the Senior Bowl. I'll give you that whenever we get back here on the Fan. Then twenty twenty NFL Draft continued on one O five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Welcome back. It's the twenty twenty NFL Draft. Here on one oh five three The Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. It is Jeff Kavan O'Brien brought us Dane Brugler, Dave Hellman, and Kyle Yeoman's the Cowboys most likely done for the night,

but they have made their third round pick. It's Neville Gallimore out of Oklahoma. And I think, all in all, when you are looking at what they've done so far in this draft, if I ask Brian or Dane, have all three of their picks been ranked higher for you as a play then the number they were picked at. Does Nevil Gallimore fall into that? Absolutely? Neville Gallimore was seventy for me and they get him at what eighty one? So I think, you know, Ceedee Lamb was seven on

my board, get him at seventeen. Trayvone Diggs was I believe like around thirty three. They get him at fifty one. So yeah, I mean, just my opinion my board, the Cowboys did really nice with their value here. Yeah, Canadian product by the way, on the team, along with LP and Tyrone Crawford. We got to pick in from the commissioner here for the Rams. Los Angeles Ram select Terrell Lewis, linebacker Alabama. Oh. It's one of the few guys that

I think I would have preferred the pick to be. Like, I won't be hard on the Cowboys here because I think I had six guys that I liked more than Neville Gallimore at that spot, and you know, that's pretty darn close to the top. So they've picked probably they might have picked their very top guy on the board multiple times in this draft, and they might have got close to it on the third one. I think I think Gallimore might have been the top grade on their board.

And I mean, obviously you can differ, there's nothing wrong with that, but in their minds, I think they got their best guy, and that's you know, Burgess, I God, I want the Cowboys to draft a safety so bad. I think I think everybody knows that about me. But I can't kill them for not drafting a guy with chronic injury issues. I think that's that's the most terrifying

kind of player is and that's not his fault. I'm not trying to knock Terrell Lewis, but that stuff scares the crap out of me, and I feel more comfortable with the sure thing in terms of availability. Nine times out of ten. Well, now you've got corner taken care of, you've got wide receiver, and you've got interior defensive line. That leaves edge in safety is really the pressing needs going into Day three. I think you've done yourself a favor, even with even with the first pick being Cede Lamb.

I know Cede Lamb was an exciting pick, but it wasn't necessarily that that pressing that you have. Now you you move into Day three and you can still maybe go get a linebacker, you can still grab a safety. You can look at edge rusher and still feel good about what you've done in the draft. Oh, I think this this draft is shaping up really well. I mean there's no like this is. This is looking really good.

Even if you don't love the Gallimore pick, I mean, Kavanaugh, even you agree with that, right, No, no, no, I do, And I'd like, I don't even want to take it. Oh No, you had six guys in front of him. Like, that's not a pick that I'm going to complain about. You've got a defensive tackle that's got the initial quickness, that has the traits to rush the quarterback. I'm not mad at that pick at all. It's just the first

pick they've made where they literally didn't pick the top guy. Yeah, according to me, or Diggs was very very very close so I think it's it's the first time that I have more than three guys that I would have taken over who they took. But to be that close, I love to pick. Here's the cult selection, cold select Julian Blackman defensive back Burgess not even the first Utah safety off the board, how about that? But I love Julian Blackman. Yeah, I don't know that. That USC tape. I can't get

that out of my mind. Michael Pittman just just abusing Julian Blackman, but uh surprised. I mean, he's not a better player than Troll Burgess in my opinion. Read on that real quick before we I mean, before we do that. I mean just thinking about this in the big picture, because we assume the Cowboys are done tonight. Um I get. I mean, if I'm trying to nitpick, not going edge rusher here at eighty two, by and large probably means you're not finding, you know, a difference maker in for

twenty twenty, at least on the edge. So I mean you're you're you're probably you know, you're hoping Aldon Smith and Randy Gregory and Tyrone Crawford can all be that for you and that's definitely kind of scary. But with what they've gotten, I can't complain about it. Um, if Gallimore is the pick you feel the least good about, I got nothing bad to say, especially you know he's got Dontari Poe and Gerald McCoy a fellow Oklahoma sooner to learn from. I don't think there's any reason to

feel bad about that at all. I mean, there's still a defensive end out there in free agency. You're gonna spend a little bit of money, Well yeah, but is that really the Cowboys way? You get some money laying around, a couple bucks laying around. Devion Clowney doesn't have a home right now. I will reinstitute the McDonald's bet with you about that. No, bet, I just thirty two teams. The odds are in your favor. I can't make that bet. Okay,

wouldn't be right. But no, I think I think around the room, everybody's pretty darn happy with what the Cowboys have gone. We have done through two days here, you're a better football team than you were yesterday by far. And I think that's kind of what they wanted to give themselves an opportunity to do. Whenever it in terms of free agency. Yes, you just picked up the Ville Gallimore, but you picked up guys like Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe that if you didn't want to go Gallimore there

you'd be fine. Same thing, Edge Rusher. I think it gives him an option and he gives him a safety net to go best player available at least on their board and not have any worries about it. And like what Dave was saying, And now it's time to go hunting.

It's time to day three. It's time to find guys that you like the traits on that you hope something can work out for, or see if somebody falls into your lap, because you know, when you're playing the odds your day three guys, some of them aren't gonna make the team, some of them are never gonna make an Impactum, but now it's time to go hunting. Let me do my since he's not talking right now, let me do my broadest impressions. The day of the Scouts, we're gonna

go hunting it. I'm gonna go hunting for some for some players. I'm glad you learned after all these years, Dave. The Day of the Scouts, Buffalo Bills pick picks in Yeah, here we go. You talk Ah, Zach Moss running back Utah is going to the Buffalo Bills. I love Zach Moss. He's hard to tackle, running back to break tackles. They're my friend. You look at that Buffalo backfield. Devin's singletary Zach Mah. That's a that's a pretty nice duo back

there for Josh Allen at quarterback. Well, they got three running backs. They got Josh Allen back there. So that's nice. That's not even really a joke. It's the best the best thing he has, uh. That team. That team's fun. You know, you build a good defense, you'd have a quarterback whose legs are a threat, and now you're backing him up with a couple of different running backs. It's a little bit old school, um and that I just I like Zach Moss. I think he's a fun runner

to watch. I think you got a really mean business if you're going to tackle him. And I think that that bodes well to transition from college to the NFL when you're somebody that people are going to shy away from wanting to hit because you're tough to bring down. He's not even that big. You look at him, you're, I guess not a big guy. I just remember we started the process even last year. He was like running back number one on everybody, and then he stayed in, right,

he didn't. He didn't, he didn't come out, and everyone's like, Oh, you gotta watch this guy. You gotta watch him, you gotta watch him. And tough, and he is and he is really tough. I mean you catch the ball. I mean there's sometimes when you watch him on tape as pass protector, he's got some of those those all around back trades to him with that ability to step up

and hit people. Physical guy well, and kind of going back to what Kavanaugh was saying about his size, he's five nine and a half, but he's still two hundred and twenty three pounds, so he's wide enough to be able to pack an impact on in the middle of runs up the middle, and I think he's somebody that you could just kind of run up the gut and be okay. With the draft rolls on. The Patriots are

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things during these crucial times here in our community. And the Cowboys have made their three picks in the first three rounds of the draft, seemingly done for the day unless they want to get crazy here at the back half of the third round. We're almost getting too comp pick time, about ten picks away from at least that sort of thing. You've got the Patriots, the Saints, the Vikings,

and the Browns coming up next. As the Patriots are currently on the clock here, guys, how are we kind of shaping out as we go back into this this latter part of the third round. Well, trying to reset the draft board here. You know, we had a few key players coming off Chushian, Barry Lewis, Davis Gaithers still around, Adam Outman from Dayton to tight end, Curtis Weaver Boise State,

George Elliott Missouri, Malik Harrison out of Ohio State. And then we still have the quarterbacks, you know, Jake from Jacob Eason. Surprise we haven't heard either of those two names come off the board. I mean, they're issues with both these players said, don't get me wrong, but it's still surprised that we haven't seen one of these teams maybe roll the dice on one of them. Yeah, I'm a little surprised by that too, because normally you would see more quarterbacks go. We've seen the top four in

the first round and then one since then. We saw Jalen Hurts to Philadelphia in the second and since then it's been all quiet on the quarterback front, while running backs have kind of been going a little bit crazy. But I guess you can maybe get the sense from some of the teams and the way they've handled their offseason. I mean, there's still guys like Jamis Winston and Cam Newton out on the free agent market. You think that has a little bit of an impact on why teams

or maybe reluctant to take a quarterback here. I think not only that, but you think about the current set up of what we think the fall is gonna look like. Are we gonna have a training camp, are we gonna have you know, these opportunities for these young quarterbacks to get acclimated with the playbook and his new teammates and everything, And it's gonna be tough for some of these young quarterbacks to really, uh, you know, get in there and

carve out a role. So I think when you look at both these guys, they both have something about them that you really worry about their their transition. With Easton, it's the heavy feet, his ability to navigate pressure. With from it's he's very scheme specific. So it's interesting that you know, are they going to follow to day three? We have what twenty picks left or so, so it should be interesting. Now and the Patriots selection has been

made and announced. Anthony Jennings often or outside linebacker rather out of Alabama is what New England goes with at pick eighty seven. Dane, what's your scouting report on him? This is a guy who going into twenty nineteen I think was tabbed. Is maybe one of the guys to watch as a first or second round recruit. Yeah. With Jennings, I don't know, it's tough to get overly excited about what he offers because I don't know, average size, six

two two fifty six. He's not very sudden as a pass rusher, but he led Alabama and tackles for loss and sacks. You like a lot of what he brings from, you know, a stopping the run play recognition standpoint. But I just don't I think he's a little bit limited if you're expecting him to just rush off the edge. I think he's gonna be someone that it's and it's interesting that they drafted him along with Josh Uch kind

of similar positions but very different types of players. Uch is going to bring that speed off the edge and you little bit of a liability against the run, where Jennings a little bit the opposite. So if you combine these two players, you might have a really good pass rusher you could stay on the field at all, all three downs. But it's interesting that they would bring both these guys in on day two. Maybe they're gonna do an experiment like that. Why not find a way to

combine them. It's like the horse Lake theory. That's easy. That's a day three and three. Yeah, saved that one for late in the day. Yeah. Who who likes Saban? Guys more New England or Baltimore. Oh, I think that and maybe even clude the Vegas Raiders in this too. Yeah. You know, Mike Mayock is always going to He's got a great relationship with three sets of coaches I think

at Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State. So I mean that's kind of Mike mac when he goes to When he used to go to Alabama Pro Day, he was like king, you know, he was like walking around like he was a king. So uh, yeah, I think that. But yeah, there's teams that they all bowed down to. I mean, Saban, he's got all these players, he recruits them, but he just beats them all up, you know. He mean he does, he uses them up. They play a lot, and they

play extra games every year. They have hard practices, you know,

with him. So yeah, it's it's what you're gonna You're gonna love the players because they play in those games and they're good players, but you get them, they're pretty they're pretty beat up and by the time you get them, and he's the second Alabama player to go off the board in the last four picks, actually splitting that with Utah by the way, in Alabama Edge Rusher and Roll Lewis, and then you've got Julian Blackman from Utah, Zach Moss

from Utah, and then Jennings from Alabama. Now with the Saints and Vikings coming up here in the next couple of moments, what's what are the boards kind of starting to look like Dane as we do get into we're getting close to pick ninety here, So I mentioned the compensatory picks coming up here in a little bit. The Patriots had plenty of those, but at least the board for me looks pretty heavy on the defensive line, with still Curtis Weaver and even Jordan Elliott in that mix

as well. Yeah, the top guy for me is a Keem Davis Gaither talking about defender who can be a playmaker, you know, he's kind of that Isaiah Simmons light. You know, tall, long, athletic, he can do a lot of different things for you. Surprised he's still around here at this late stage of the third round. Uh. And but I'm with you with Curtis Weaver too. Um. You know, this guy was so productive at Boise State. There's a lot of things that

don't like about him. He doesn't have an ideal body, doesn't have uh, you know, necessarily there's a reason he didn't run the forty yard dash at the combine. Um. But the production is undeniable. Now he beat up on some weaker competition. But still the way he can use his hands is something that I think at that position. Surprised that we haven't seen a team take a flyer on him yet. Yeah, I've seen a flyer at all there, Brian. No,

I'm with Dane about the player. I'm I just keep looking at that Davis Gaither and yeah, I don't know what it is. But you know, if I'm looking for in the third round, guys that can run, guys that can finish, you know, I mean that he's that. He's that guy. For me. I look at him and I just I'm like, Okay, somebody's gonna take this guy. You know, I was kind of hoping that the Cowboys were gonna look at him, you know, I mean I had him in that round with with Gallum More and all that.

We need to figure out what the deal with Burgess too. By the way, guys, you know that keeps falling. Yeah, that's a that's a phone call for Brian brought us on the way home, you know, And I know Dane can do the same thing, you know, but we can. You know, you just wonder a few of those phone calls from Brian brought us. Yeah, no, but you but you you gotta, you gotta figure out. Okay, why is this guy? He was clearly if you look at the tape, his ability to do a lot of different things to

cover to play in the slot. I mean, he had to find him out there, but he made He's a productive player. I just don't understand why. You know, maybe teams are just kind of shying away from guys like this. Now, I do want to make a correction. I said that the Saints were on the clocks that Cleveland Browns. Yeah, Cleveland.

This is a direct deal from whether they had earlier in the second round, whenever they swapped picks there, So the Browns are actually on the clock because we see maybe a corner here potentially go in the next couple of moments, because I know they still need cornerback help. Uh maybe uh, I don't know, maybe defensive line here.

Uh yeah, defensive tackle. They need defensive end definitely. So and that we always have, you know, with a new front office, a new head coach, you have a group of guys that want their guys, and so I really don't think, you know, besides quarterback and running back, I think every other position's pretty much in play at this point. Yeah, that's true. It's much like the Dolphins, where I don't think they're in as bad of a spot as the Dolphins.

But they've already taken an offensive tackle in Jedrick Will's Grant Delpit went in the second round at pick forty four, and now they're picking here in the third, so they've had a little bit of time to wait here for this pick. But they could really address a couple of issues where when it comes to the defense, and then also maybe adding a wide receiver if you really wanted to, depending on what the what the deal is with Odell Beckham junior. Yeah, as we wait for this pick, guys,

when does that run for the tight ends going to start? Yeah, I got I've got all these tight ends kind of lumped together. And I know with ASSISI I mentioned him. Okay, Troutman is a Dane guy, the law firm of Brian and Bryant. You know, Albert Oh from Missouri. I mean is Pinkney when we got the commissioner's got to pick in right now, let's see we can get in here, and we encourage you to keep them coming. We've made a difference and well we've raised millions of dollars already

and we hope to do more. And remember, the NFL is matching all of your donations, so we hope you'll keep it coming. Tonight, with the eighty eighth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Jordan Elliott, defensive tackle. Yeah, Missouri, that's a good pick. That's a good pick. That Yeah, as long as you are comfortable with the character, you're comfortable with the person. Uh yeah, you definitely liked the player. At this point in the draft,

a guy who started at Texas transferred Missouri. And I tell you there are times on his tape where you see a first round player. You see a guy that can dominate the point of attack. He can slip through gas. Uh. There's a lot to like about Jordan Elliott as a as an ascending player, a guy who's getting better and better and still very young. So that was the thing with him. He plays young, he acts young, but the

talent is not a question with this player. Yeah. See, this is where I would have taken him over Gallimore. This is where you know, you know me, I'm the Cincinnati Bengals of our staff. Yep, and I really don't you know. I mean, everything Dane said is absolutely right about maturity and things like that. The tape is too good for me. I'm in the third round here, I'm the big, massive tackle that gets up the field, stops people. It's hard to move. Yeah, no, no, no, Brian's contradicting

himself and I'm here to hold him to task. That's what I'm gonna do because I love Jordan Elli. I loved his tape like I really early and I was like, yeah, this guy's getting in the backfield every other snap from like five different positions. He's a ton of fun. But Brian brought us will tell you that the criminal run round is the fourth round. Appreciate. I mean, he might not be a criminal, but if there are character and non tape concerns about a guy, yeah, then eighty two

is too high for me to take that. But Brian bringing that name, bringing this name up after the Cowboys have taken Gallmore makes me look back at my board and be like, oh wow, I don't think I even mentioned him when Gallamore was taken as one of the guys I had ahead of him, and I had him a full round ahead of him, So I gotta be honest about that. Vic. Who's gonna pick right now? King sle Cameron Danceler defensive back? The good pick there, Mike Ziver.

Solid corner that they've they've selected because they took Jeff Gladney with thirty one, so they're double dipping in corner already. I like the need they need corner? Oh they cos I'm not going to point fingers in anybody here. I'm not, And because I just feel like there's a lot of people that carried this guy down the board because of of the of the forty and I guarantee something happened to him at the combine where he didn't have a good day, and I could have gone to Missisippi State.

I said it a bunch. I could have gotten faster, not at thirty eight yards, and I wouldn't have got him at four three. I would have got him at four or five, two or something like that, maybe or four or five. But I don't think he plays like a four to six guy. I'm just watching him play against a quality competition weekend week out in the SEC, and the guy covers, the guy has ability to make plays, intercepts, creates turnovers, things like that. I hope he has a

really nice career. He went to the perfect coach, by the way, Mike Zimmer. Mike Zimmer will, Mike Zimmer will get him to play to his best level. If he's a four or five guy, he'll outplay this draft slot for sure. He will. This is this is this he will, He's he's on tape. He is better than that draft slot. But I like, I just can't take this place where everything's even and I can trust the times and throw out one it says it's going to be really tough for him to be a good NFL player. Can't do it.

I just I mean they picked him in the round where I have him, got him in the third round. Yeah, that the tape is just too good for me and I again, Mike Zimmer will figure out a way to use him and and use him the right way. This is much, this is this is getting. This could be the Richard Sherman. This could be a Richard Sherman Sherman four five. Yeah, well this guy ran four six yep, and he could and I could have got him in four five. My biggest issue with with Danceler wasn't necessarily

his speed. It was just his ability to turn and find the football that I thought that was something that he did and inconsistently, and when he did he would make contact. And uh, it's it's a player who was a quarterback in high school. He didn't really play corner until he got to Mississippi Mississippi State, and so he's still learning. But I think he has upside because he's a good athlete. Uh he's tall, little leaner than you want. You worry about the body armor holding up and run support.

But I thought he was a better, better play than here. Around the ninetieth pick, it's Jonathan Greenard at ninety to the Houston Texans. The Florida pass rusher. That is who you've got going there at number ninety, that's the Houston Texans, right, Yes, Okay, to finish off and pick and they're both defensive tackles excuse me, defensive lineman. I mean the gs with the amount of trades they've been making. Yeah, they just don't

have that many picks. No, but I just I mean to finish off the thought we were having about Elliott and Gallimore. And you know, it's it's difficult and tricky talking about off the field stuff because you don't know the full picture unless you're really part of this process. Sure, I can't fault the Cowboys for taking the surer guy. I mean, if they don't, you know, if you don't feel good about Elliott off the field, eighty two is still too high for me. I mean, if you're talking

day three, it makes a lot more sense. But I'm not going to ding them for taking the guy that they feel more comfortable with, which makes a lot of sense. I think overall, Well, I mean, I I don't know. I just that's fair. I thought their tape was around difference. I thought I thought Elliot's tape was considerably better. But I will say, but you're right about what you're saying. I don't there's things that I don't know about them.

I don't know what people mean when they say off the field, and unless there's something documented on it, I don't know what it is. So if you want to give me an effort player, I'll take I'll take the Lynch kid from Baylor. You know. If you want to give me a guy that could play in play tackle, I'll take that guy. You know, But I mean Gallimore, that's fine. I mean where they I had him on that spot. I just thought that Elliott was a better player.

I mean, if you said, put all those guys together, who do you have Elliott Gallimore, say Lynch in that round? I would have it Elliott Gallimore Lynch. I mean, like I say, I'm kind of looking at it as like that Gallimore Lynch. It really was a toss up for me. On the Raiders, did you a favor before year pick at eighty two with back to back wide receivers. They're up again for the fifth time today. Do you think do you think they're gonna take another wide receiver? Here? Guys,

the fourth of the draft. Oh, Green can't help him? Yeah, Green can't help himself. They're all there. I mean they're a great wide receiver class and deep one at that. Well, they got the this was like a New England pick, so maybe this was a pick. Yeah, yeah, New England traded in. Sorry I did I should have yelled that out. They traded up to ninety one. It's like, ah, Devin Asias. How about that the Raiders took Devin asi Assi, the

tight end out of UCLA. It means the Cowboys cannot take him in the fourth round if I've got the rules of the draft right, correct, that's correct, Jeffrey. Yes, that's a fake, that's a fake. Pro Yeah they did, Okay, I mean the Patriots they oh, okay that Assisi was the Patriots pick. Okay, ye. The thing. Yeah, that's a team that needed a lot of tight end help, and I think Assisi is a fun prospect. I think this is where he belongs. I think that that's that's good.

That's a team that needed one and they probably found a future starter here in the end of the third round. Dan, did you did you hear it all about football character concerns like how hard he would work, how hard he wouldn't work that kind of Did you hear anything about this player that way? There were there were talks about that, about him reaching his full potential, and you know he was suspended at one point, and uh, you know the

he liked to enjoy the college experience, that type of thing. Um, so you do worry about that a lot. He was a California kid and how he's going all the way out to New England. How's that going to play? But second tight end off the board, right, Yeah, commit was the first one. Yeah, a little surprising to see. I mean I thought ASSISI was a top five tight end in this draft. I don't necessarily think I would have guessed he would have been the second tight end drafted. Yeah,

he was tight ends though. Oh I'll tell you what though, I know the Cowboys did a ton of work on him, you know, I mean it was a guy the video conferencing maybe a thirty visit thing. If if that did that, I mean, there was a lot of there were people talking about this guy. Him and and Terrell. Those guys were, you know, where the guys that did a lot a lot of work. Chase On was another one of those guys that did, they did a lot of work on and so you know, I knew the Cowboys maybe would

would conserve. I was asking you, guys, there is this the run for the tight ends? Now? Is this you know, are people gonna say, Okay, we gotta go ahead and start grabbing him now, or is it this thing gonna stretch a little bit further down the board? I could see this being a tight end run here late in the third. Let's go down the list of teams that could use a tight end. Titans, yeah, I think they could. Packers, Packers absolutely, yeah, Broncos, Chiefs don't need a tight end.

The Browns, yeah. See that's what I'm saying. I just these guys. It's the one part of my board I'm looking at. I've got everything kind of color coded. It's the one position where I have those guys like Bill pars Hills used to say, snacked in there like club sandwiches, you know, And so I'm just thinking, Okay, at some point somebody is going to go out. But I've got some cornerbacks too, Holmes kid from UCLA, I got Robertson

from Louisiana Tech. But those are those are two small guys. Yeah, those are two like tiny guys, you know, eat peanuts off the top of their heads kind of thing. Yeah, you're the I mean you're my Cleveland Browns guy. I just I just look at you as an extension of the Browns front office. Naturally. Um, what what do you what can I want? What do you want for David and jokut Um? I'm trying to get rid of them, so I know you are what do you take much? I mean, can I offer you looking for a soft

tight end you can't catch? Oh? Wow wow wow wow wow wow? Uh second five? If I can get your third. But now that I told you how I really feel about him, you cannot have my You can't have my third because his name is going back and forth. Well, I mean, can I can I pry him away from you? For pick one sixty four? I think if no? I mean, that's that's pretty late. I got to be able to get a better offer than that. I'm not giving. Kay, Or do you try to? I mean this, how about Tampa?

Do you go to Tampa and try and get oj Howard? I mean, are they are? They? Are? They caught in? Okay, we had to have a second round you guys not letting my god drow and get a shine on. No, I just got paid. If we're talking, if we're talking about tight end, he's got two backups. Okay, So I actually, hey, Jeff said a tight end. For the record, if I'm I'm honestly relieved that Assiassi's gone because I don't want

them to draft a tight end. They have Lake Darwin, right, Dave, So you heard the same thing then that they really liked ASSISI then, oh, yeah, no, he, I mean he's he is one of those names that's been circulating around. I don't know if he would have been the pick at one twenty three, but I think they really liked him. Um so, and I don't think they need a tight end.

My whole point was I would rather try to get in Joku out of Cleveland than draft one of these tight ends because I just I don't feel great about this tight end class. I don't think it's that impressive. I still think I picks hang on, boys picks it. Okay, With the ninety second pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the ball more ravens like Devin DuVernay, wide receiver Texas, I thought they would maybe go with like a John

high Tower or somebody like that first before DuVernay popped up. Yeah, I like that a lot, though, Lamar, listen, you've got two choices. You can throw it to him behind the line of scrimmage and watch him work, or you can throw it to him way down there and watch him run. Because to me, that's what DuVernay kind of is. He's a deep threat. He's good in the screen game because he can break tackles, but I don't trust him as

a route runner. Nope, let's let's run and let's do the opposite of running and step backwards and catch the ball. Maybe jet sweep it. Let Lamar just keep running the ball, keep running the ball. Give him an extra guy that can really run along with Hollywood Brown. You're throwing to these tight ends. I really like that fit. Dane. How is he as a blocker? I don't know if he's asked to do it that much, at least if he did on tape, I didn't see it a lot. But

I mean, he's basically an engineer the run game. That's what he was at Texas, and he could track the deep ball. But yeah, he used to get the ball in his hands and he has the size of a running back and so he'd break tackles. Grant Delpa to tell you that. I mean he's a fourth three athlete, and you know it's like, do you look at the Ravens building a little bit of a track team there on offense with Hollywood Brown. Miles Boykin was a four three athlete last year, So they've got speed, speed to

burn and JK. Dobbins in this draft that that offense is not fun to go against. I think it's a great pick by these guys. I told you I had those pocket of those receivers, those like the Porches, the Duvenais, the Van Jefferson's, kJ Hill. I mean, these are all guys that can really catch the ball, you know. I mean you just throw it in their direction, they find a way to make the play and then after the catch,

they've got that kind of ability to finish. So I think the raven the Ravens just continually do things that you're like, you're you're looking at me, You're going, okay. They for years, they've gotten Ozzie, they've made the transition to Eric to Costa. I give them a high march for what they've been able to do. I like this pick overall. I really do you add another receiver? We kind of talked about maybe a Denzel Mims earlier for Baltimore, but honestly, I think du Rene might be a better

fit than Mims in that offense anyway. So now we've got the Titans up ninety three, ninety four, ninety five Titans packers Broncos. Here what are we looking at for the Titans? I mean, they took Isaiah Wilson offensive tackle in the first Christian Fulton in that second round? Where are we going from here? If you're looking at an AFC Championship Titans team that has done a nice job of adding some talent here, Yeah, I'm trying. Yeah, i'd Curtis Weaver. Um, we have a bullet who's off the

board for them? So far? They took the right tackle, Isaiah Wilson the first. They took the corner in the second, Christian Fulton. So could see them go ahead Rusher? Uh? Could see them go with more offensive line help? Uh? Could they take a linebacker like Malik Harrison? Um already didn't they? Yeah? Yeah? So they lost their tight end though, too, didn't they didn't? They lose. Uh. They they moved on

from their long time tied end there, Landy Walker. Yeah, they moved on like what's his name a lot though, Um they're other tight end uh from fiu oh Um Smith John Smith, Yes, uh so they like him a lot. But yeah, I mean tight end could be a possibility here. I mean I was just again looking at the board and you know, and and seeing where the position maybe the better rated players would be on somebody's board. You know, that's kind of who who is the backup quarterback there?

Have They have they addressed that with their situation there? I don't think so? Is that an I mean that's what I'm kind of looking at right now. If you know they've they've made commitment, you know, for the guy to have. But is there a backup quarterback there? Well? No, I think yeah, they they have the tleto kid Logan woods Side. Yeah, but no, I mean yeah, could they go with Aniston here as a you know, the value is just too much here to put behind Ryan Tannehill

in case you know there's an injuries that's possibility. It's still odd we even mentioned maybe twelve thirteen picks ago, how we haven't seen a quarterback off the board. Since Jalen Hurts went to Philadelphia at fifty three and we're almost to pick one hundred, we still haven't seen a quarterback. I mean, much to Brian's point about the tight ends, you could say the same thing about some of these quarterbacks. They don't necessarily need to be starters. A backup quarterback

potential like a team like Tennessee. I don't know if Tennessee would go with one here, but I mean there's some teams here that could use one. I think this is just a random observation, but I think if the cowboys are listening, as they tend to do while they're in their separate war rooms right now, don't be afraid to jump back up in here to get a Keem Davis, Gaither or Terrell Burgess. Okay, don't be afraid to jump back in here. Are you willing this now? I'm willing it. Yeah,

I appreciate you willing. I'm willing my way Keem Davis, Gaither or Terrell burg Usually day three, you're one of the best willers there is. Yeah, maybe I do have to wait. I have to this round to end ye sleep in and day three will something Yeah, what are you using? I mean, what would you use to get up anyway? That's my question. Okay, So here's the way I would approach this two fives. Here's the way i'd approaches I do worth that's worth like eight points. Oh,

just use them. I have the two five, call the guy down to Houston. He'll give it to you. I also a couple picks. I also know how the comp formula works, so I know what I have coming next year. I know that I'm going to have extra picks, and maybe three or four, and maybe a couple of them are pretty darn good. I'm not afraid to use the next year's pick because it's gonna get replaced by a COMP pick that's fair. Next year's three for Byron Jones. Oh no, you can't have my way up trading for

Byron Jones. No no, I'm just saying that you cannot. You cannot have my threes for next year. You're not gonna get next year threes. Not Well, you can't trade a pick that doesn't exist, first of all, So okay, but you can say that, But you could say next year three your own three. Yeah, you have your own you three, your own three for you got one. You know you're getting one. If you know you're getting one, yeah,

you can do that. I would not do that. But nobody's gonna give you a third right now for next year's three. Yeah, exactly. Yets are happy about picking a player here. They're just going there. You're usually my my common sense buddy. Don't do this. You guys are all really taking turns being common sense guy, and I'm gonna need you to narrow down who's gonna play that role. Ever since Dane moved, he's become common sense guy. I

got two kids. That happens. I thought that was the role that I was gonna have to fill coming into this this one. But it's everybody but Jeff. Yeah, Kyle, you're gonna have to come on over to my side and get a little wild on him. You know, Jeff and Brian, we got too much reality in here. You try to get crazy. Fine, let's trade back up and let's go get another wide receiver. Let's go fifty Burger. Oh okay, is there a wide receiver the running would

even want to draft this early? Left? Uh? Donovan, people's jones, Kja, why would you bring that name up? I don't know I'm just I'm just getting I'm just getting crazy. Dandy Golden I can get I should be able to Proche tomorrow. Jennings, I can get Proche tomorrow. Ideally I could get kJ Hill tomorrow too. Ideal. Yeah, I bet, I bet kJ Hills Belle with their fourth round pick, we gotta pick cut. Finally, Tennessee,

the Tennessee Titans slack Darrington Evans running back state. I didn't think he'd be the first step steak guy off the board. That makes sense. Five bucks to anybody that can name Tennessee's back up running back. I would I would lose Darrington Evans. Yeah, exactly, there it is bucks. No, because they don't really have anybody behind Derrick Henry, who's on the franchise tag. So, uh, that pick makes sense

and this is the right way to do things. Leave Derrick Henry on the franchise tag and after this year, Una, let's not go down that rabbit hole. Sorry. Uh, like Darrison Evans, it's all about speed that uh that outside zone. Uh just let he's not the most gifted runner in terms of uh, you know, working off contact and you know he's not a banger in the middle, but He's a guy that will give him a runway and he'll make something happen kind of a lot of ways. Kind

of like Derrick Henry, just in a much different package. Uh. He's not nearly as big and he's much faster, but it's all about the runway. You give him a little bit of room to work and he'll do the rest of that athleticism. Yeah, I think this guy does a really good job. Dane. Once again, it's got him cold.

I think that to me that the the you look at him and the way he runs, and you know, you kind of see a guy that's been used as a running back and a wide receiver both during his career, and so when the ball's thrown to his direction, he'll make some he'll make some place. I mean, he'll make some place that makes some catch. I thought he did a really good job of protecting the football. You don't see him put the ball on the ground. You know

he's gonna run tough, he's gonna hold onto it. He's got some value as a kickoff return guy as well. I know that's something that's not really big and I just bring it up, but you know, because the special team's value. But in this day and age, with kickoff return, it's like they pump him out of the end zone. If if a guy is a punt returner, that kind of gets my attention right there. But this kid is a he's one of those guys. When he does see

that opening boom, he's gonna hit it and he's gonna go. Man, once you get outside the tackles with him, he is as fun as they come on tape. I mean, seven yards per carry, eighteen touchdowns, I mean, and I think eight of those eighteen were outside of the tackles as well. By the way, just a stat that I think I saw on Pro Football Focus. It looks like credit excuse me. It looks like the Packers pick is in in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Green Bay Packers slack Josiah tight ends.

Interesting who had the Guara head of Troutman and Albertau and uh some of these other tight ends. That's that's surprising. You would have had me on that one for sure. Now, Deguara did have a really nice Senior Bowl week, and I even saw some of the notes that I wrote down. He made a couple of flashy plays in practice that kind of caught my eye, but overall as a player, I didn't have him even close to either of the Bryant and Bryant Law firm. Like Brian called it earlier.

I thought that was a great way to put it, But I didn't have him anywhere close to those guys. Yeah, I was. This was I think that if you look at I'm trying to think of what would be his his best trait and probably his ability to catch the ball. I think that's something that I didn't see anything else that was really kind of just really stood out other than Okay, throw him the ball. He's pretty good at extending the hands, catching it on the move, getting up

the field. But I would kind of see a guy that that that that's about his best ability of doing that is being able to catch the ball instead of being a run blocker. For say, now you got the Broncos up the Chiefs in the Browns or excuse me, yeah no, it would be the Browns next at ninety seven and ninety seven, by the way, is the first comp pick that we would have out of a string of them. There's ten comp picks to round out the one hundred and sixth overall selection. That right, now it

belongs to the Ravens. So with the Broncos on the clock here, they've had a couple of picks go their way so far. Trying to look back as to who they have selected. And you go back up to the first round come away with Jerry Judy helped kind of open the door for Cede Land to the Cowboys. Then you get kJ Hamler, so they're going with that that extra wide receiver look much like the Las Vegas Raiders. And then they get Ojamodidiya or whatever you say his name,

like the cornerback Iowa. Yeah, that guy, But what are you looking at here? Oh? They also got Lloyd Cushionberry from LSU to go into that as well. So maybe defensive line thinking about here for the Broncos. They haven't addressed that yet. That's the one need that I have written down for him that they haven't necessarily had a solid pick at here. James Lynch from Baylor surprised we haven't heard his name yet. I think teams are confused.

Where the best play him is my problem three? Technique only can you play him an outside as a base end? He doesn't have great length, but hard to ignore the production that he put up. I mean it's the Panther stack him and Weaver. Yeah. Yeah, the Panthers have drafted a lot of defensive lineman. But if he falls any further, Matt Rule is going to make a play. Yeah, it has to. I mean this kids guy, Yeah, this is guy.

I think the thing that's really nice about him is that you can't see him play as a wide technique, you know, as an edge rusher. He's got the great effort and those he'll finish some plays. I saw him get fooled a couple of times. I mean, I like the kid, and there's people saying, Okay, you could play him outside, you could play him inside, play him as a three technique, let him get up the field, use the quickness, you know. Just kind of one of those guys.

He just keeps coming at you, you know, he is. There's a relentless type of to his game and effort and all that. So yeah, I mean I love players like that. Maybe I fall in love with players that I always see, and Gallimore was a guy. Should give him credit for the plays he was making running down the field and stuff like that. But I really did like James Lynch quite a bit. What about Foeto here

for Denver. I mean, that's a guy who's still on the board that I know, Brian, you brought him up really early in the broadcast, but he's still on the board as a guy that could maybe come in and make Yeah. I know that was the Falcons. I was talking to those guys and there they kept you know, they kept cluing me in. I'm like, oh, we know what, we liked this Futo guy. We like him and I'm like, okay, watched him and stuff like that. But you know, then

they made another pick. But yeah, I'm I've I've got other guys I think that I would I would take I like the Lawrence kid from Lshoe a little better at that's at that spy if you want to, if you want to, yeah I did. I did tell me. I mean, what do you do with him? You know, I've got a plane. I've got a plane as a as a defensive tackle, is what I do. You know, I think he could play. I think he could put him like as that, maybe as a one, a heavy one,

or you could play him as the three. There's there's things you could when you watch him play. And by the way, the Denver Broncos picks in and we'll get back into it. Here's a Roger uh Roger Goodell with the with the Broncos pick twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select Vic Telvin. A gene defensive tackles him Arkansas. M What got you to cuss there? Dave does Roger his feet kicked up. First of all, Oh yeah, he's yeah, he is big time done here in the nineties. He's

throwing the cards on the ground after their pick. He's just taking me. He's like spinning him into the fireplace. Now picks up a glass of whiskey and then yeah, he's got a cigarette burning over in the corner. He got a nice book in between picks that he's reading. Anyway, who's up? Okay? Um? No, I just I mentioned this earlier with Neville Gallimore. It's it's the same thing. I just I love the way this whole process is so cyclical because McTelvin a game was a Shrine game. Guy,

was he not down? Yes, he was good enough that he got the call up to the Senior Bowl and he he was on our flight to Mobile. And you know, anytime you see a football player in the airport you're kind of looking for. You're like, Okay, this guy's got a pig on his backpack. He went to Arkansas. What's what's this dude's deal? You figure out it's McTelvin. A game, he goes to the Senior Bowl, jumps up onto the radar, you know, his last second invite, had a really good

week down there. And he's a guy that I would have been really happy to see the Cowboys pick. I said day three, which we're really close to day three, so that makes sense. And it's just cool, like you know he was. He made the best of a of a late time call up, and I'm happy for It's a pressure, Dave. You feel that pressure covering the Arkansas guys, right, you know, you know Steve and a Jerry. You got to kind of know those Arkansas guys. I have a

background on him. Oh, Brian, you're smarter than that. The Cowboys don't actually ever draft Arkansas, but you got to know about those kids. This guy started forty forty games in his career. Think about that experienced. Yeah, he's got some athletic ability to him. He's got really good desire. I love the effort, the way he plays. The reason I watched him is because I kind of was getting us some hearing some whispered Oh, Kansas season on the clock.

Let's go the commissioner real quick. Here with the ninety six pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs like Lucas near tackle TCU Frogs, Lucas, Oh, go Frogs. I thought Jeff was yelling, we were robbed. I have to so I have to reach to the thing when that miss I had to get out of the chair and push just right. Games on fire right now from having to get up so many times, but just finish up with our Arkansas guy. I like the guy as far as you could watch him. A couple

of games Kentucky Auburn. I thought he played pretty well in those games with the like to see him use his hands a little bit better. But there were some snaps where he just threw his shoulder in the blocker and went from there. But he's got some pop to his approach, and you know, I could see why somebody

likes the kid great. The effort with him is really really good well, and I also I think during his time at the Senior Bowl, you also just kind of saw the effort, and I know there was a piece put out by the Dallas Cowboys dot com crew a little bit earlier this week, and even in those kind of it was a documentary behind the scenes of the draft process with the scouting department, and one of the clips they're actually talking about a game and what he's

doing at the Senior Bowl, kind of talking about his technique and whatnot. So at least at one point the Cowboys scouting department at least caught the attention or at least a game caught the attention of the scouting department overall. But yes, Lucas Nange goes to the Kansas City Chiefs, they get some offensive line help. Is that just depth day in terms of there for Kansas City or his

tackle actually a need there? No, I don't think it's a need with Fisher and Schwartz, but uh, you know, I think the value for the Chiefs became, you know, too much, and they didn't want to pass. He was a right tackle only at TCU. Maybe you look to move I mean six six through fifteen, maybe you'd try and movement inside to guards see what he can do. But this is a player where if he were fully healthy. I think he goes earlier than this, but he had

a hip injury that he played with. He played through his entire for the first half of his senior year, and then he just you know, pain tolerance became too much and he missed the second half of the year, missed most of the pre draft process. If he can be more consistent with his footwork, with his landmarks, like, I like a lot of what he has to offer. So I like this as an upside pick for the Chiefs. Jacob Phillips, the linebacker from LSU, goes to the Cleveland Browns.

We're now in the compensatory phase of the draft here, so David Hellman, give me a little scouting report on Jacob Phillips, the linebacker LSU. I just think he's a He is a steady player like nothing. I mean, he doesn't have the athleticism that's gonna wow you like Patrick Queen. That's why he's being drafted here. But he just produced for LSU. I mean, he tackles everything. He's got the athleticism to move side to side. He makes plays on

the ball. I remember, Brian, we sat next to each other at at and T stadium and watched him pick six Miami. He's just a reliable guy, like I would have loved to draft this guy on Day three to be a you know, a fill in for my will in mic linebacker position. Yeah. That a matter of fact, they're showing that interception right now against Miami. The thing that bothered me, even though he had that pick six, I saw them take him off the field in some

nickel situations. You know, it's like they it's like they weren't really sure about him. They were rotating guys in and out of there. But you're right, Dave, he'll step up and he will take on ball carriers and he will finish and he's not afraid to deliver a blow, be physical. But again, that get taking him off the field, especially here. That's I mean he's at a school like LSU, Like he could be the best player on the defense

at a lot of schools, but not LSU. And I mean he got lost in the shuffle behind a lot of guys because they're they've got four and five star talents everywhere, which is you know, I wouldn't have I would not have drafted him any higher than this. But I just think he's I mean, I think he's gonna play in the NFL for a while, maybe not be a star, but just a solid, productive linebacker. Well, and I think kind of the fact that he's selected here,

it kind of brings up the conversation of the linebacking group. Overall, there's only been a handful of linebackers even taken in the draft. You still got some good ones out there, like a Malie Harrison from Ohio State, Troy Die Oregon, Keem Davis Gaither who we continue to talk about here, Marcus Bailey from Purdue as a guy who right around this sweet spot of the fourth round. We've had conversations

on the Draft show before. Over So, I still think there's a lot of linebackers that are taken or that are still on the board. Rather so the fact that he's I believe I have seven linebackers taken, so you have Phillips is the seventh. That's a pretty high token for a guy who, like you said, got kind of pushed back because of the success of a guy like

Patrick Queen Well got Baltimore is on the clock. This was a pick that originally belonged to New England, though now the Ravens were waiting for them to hand their card in right now. So I feel like the Ravens have had always say this, the Ravens had a good draft. They just sit there and pick the pick players and they'd say fall to them, you know, and they get the Lamar Jackson at thirty two. Why does that make all so mad? Because they do the right thing? Do

you wish your team did that? Yes, I admire it, and they're doing the Cowboys are doing it this year, so you know, it's cool. Just they do it a lot. The Ravens pick Patrick Queen, JK. Dobbins, yeah, Justin Metabek, Devin DuVernay. And they still need some defensive line help maybe defensive tackle or edge here. But that is a hell. It's a pretty good draft so far. And you're wondering why I was mad, Right, No, I'm not. But I mean it's they're like they don't move. It's not like

they're in the damn NFC East. I mean, you get to see him firsthand next year, Dave. Yeah, we get you get to make a trip to Baltimore and hopefully they'll have the hope I'm gonna get to stay there at Camden Yards. I mean crab cakes. Yeah, watch some football. Such a lovely city. This is going to be a blast. Flip the lady in extra twenty Sh'll give you an extra crab cake, Dave. I'll do that, Brian, Yeah, I

did it a couple of times. It works. How much of crab cakes twenty No, you get them free and you know in the media area, but they only give you one, so you Roger Goodell is gonna give me a pick with exues me In the twenty NFL Draft to Baltimore Ravens select Malie Harrison, line back Ohio State. You gotta be kidding me, Malie Harrison. Speaking of getting good players, I think Millie Harrison's arguably the best run defending linebacker in the draft. Um, and he wasn't asked

to be in pass coverage all that much. But this is a pretty good athlete, so I think he can do it. But verse the run, he's really really good. And he's a high school quarterback. Wanted to play receiver when he went to Ohio State. They moved to linebacker. In every single year he got better and better and better. Surprised that he's the ninety eighth pick. I thought he'd go much higher than this, but typical Ravens fashion, they let a good player fall to them and they get him.

I will say this, I just I mean, I just gave a nice scouting report of Jacob Phillips. I would draft this guy ahead of Jacob Phillips. Oh yeah, oh I would too. No, like, no question. I didn't even you know, we're so deep into this thing. I didn't even realized he was still on the board. Yeah. This, I mean, this feels like a steal, which again not a huge surprise for the Ravens. Well. And the thing is is, I brought his name up a little bit ago.

I did, much like Kavanaugh did, and he kind of talked about a little earlier about doing the cheap and kind of lazy mock draft the night or the morning of the draft. He was the one that was there at ninety eight for my mock draft this morning, So that's why I brought his name up, kind of going along with Jacob Phillips going it kind of sparked the conversation of linebackers. I had no idea that even the Ravens were interested in a guy like Malie Harrison, but man,

I love that pick for them. There, and now you move on to the Giants and then the Patriots, or excuse me, the Patriots have given up their one hundredth comp pick as well, because now Las Vegas has that selection, and so you've got the Giants and then the Raiders.

Is this a spot maybe for the Giants to look at a tight end overall, because much like Brian was talking about earlier, there's a run of tight ends going and I think you look at the Giants that, even though they have Evan Ingram, they may want to look at a tight end here, maybe interior offensive line, because I know they've had some trouble there too. It's been a run on tight ends that probably shouldn't have been picked yet over tight ends that are still on the board.

So if you want one hold on going to the podium in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the New York Giants like Matt Parrot tackle University of Connecticut. Matt few parrot. Is it perfect parrot? It's parrot, It's what parrots? Parrot? Parrot? All right? Yeah, Roger had it right, job, Rodger, well done. Why is it a good Dane? Well? And it's a little bit of local flavor for him, grew up in

the Bronx. Uh So he goes to the Giants and a player who I feel like I've said this a few times, but you have to play his best football. Huge size of frame, six six three eighteen thirty thirty six and five eighth inch arms, highlights. I mean, just silly. But you know he played left tackle and right tackle. He's still figuring out how to you know, how to answer a lot of the counters that rushers are gonna throw at him. But he moves well, he has length.

I mean, that's he's a developmental tackle that in the third round. That's the type of guy you're looking for. Well, just to tie this back to the Cowboys, also Cam Fleming right now is listed as the right tackle, but they did take Andrew Thomas in the first round, a fourth overall, so this the second tackle that they've taken. Dane was prepared more of a left or a right tackle during his time at Yukon. He played well. I

saw him on right. Well. It was weird because he played He started at left tackles first two years, then they moved in the right tackle for his final two years and I asked him why and he said, I don't know. Coaches just asked me too, so I did. I was like, okay, there you go. So he he he's shown that he can play both sides. That went back and looked at some of a sophomore film and it's not like he was abysmal there. He did a

nice job. And you know, I talked to him about he was the last remaining member of that recruiting class from yukon twenty fifteen, and UH asked him, why why just stay? You could have transferred grad transfer and he said, you know, I'm a loyal guy. This is the program that believed in me, gave me a scholarship, so I want to pay that back. And just a really good person.

And I really enjoyed talking to him. And actually I called his high school football coach to find out more about him, and he I couldn't get him off the phone because he kept raving about how impressive a young man he is. Tanner Muse is going to be the first Clemson safety off the board. Although do you guys thinker That's what I'm thinking. And this is a Raiders pick right, Oh yeah, Oh here's Mike Mayock again. I mean, great guy, but he's he's gonna take a guy from Clemson, Alabama,

one of those places. So yeah, I mean winning doubt. Yeah, draft guys from the schools that go to the playoffs every year. The one thing that I noticed about this guy watched him on tape. He looks like he can really running him here. I'm with Dave Hellman live at the game, but I had to go back and watch the tape and this kid. They put him in coverage. Either they put him like uh Edwards Hilaire would go to the flat and he would run with him, or he would carry Moss inside. So they did him a

couple of different Uh, put him in a couple different spots. Dan, this guy's a really good special teams player, isn't he? That's it? Yeah, exactly, he's gonna I think he's I don't know that he's Where's he gonna play on defense? I have my questions there. This is a Rich Bisaccia pick right here, right, He's gonna play ten years in the league because of special teams. But I I just

I question, uh with the rare Jets and Patriots trade. Uh. But yeah, the Tanner muse four four one speed to his size, he was a big time baseball player in high school. He is going to be a special team's demon for a lot of years in this league. And you just mentioned the Jets in the Patriots trading. I thought Seattle had one on one. Yeah, it looks like Seattle. It says New England's pick is in here? Are he not? Still on one hundred? Am I behind on one on

one day? Damn it? Come on? Where'd you go? Dave? I'm losing. I'm losing my mind. That's what's going on the whole Another day tomorrow, Dave. Four more rounds left? No, No, I'm up to date, like this was the last A Blue Cup tomorrow is not a problem. Guys, you know how to say this. Hey Dane, what do you think? That's what happens on day three? There's water in the cup? Spicy? What I did? My uh no, my spreadsheet was just off. He's some Miller white right behind you. One wrong, all wrong? Okay,

just remember that. I freaking hate you. May By the way, did you get the speech before the start of the draft yesterday? No? I didn't. I did. Didn't go with these of the times to try. We threw out, we threw out some Thomas Paine. We didn't do that. You didn't. We didn't do the never had so many oaths, so much to so few Me and me and Dane basically just made fun of how melodramatic you are. That's basically what happened. Cal. I'm a little disappointed in you didn't

carry on that tradition. Is there is there a speech you want to give as we head into the start? There was such addition. And also Dave showed up yesterday with a tie tie tie? Dane should Dane? Did you not wear a tie? Dane asked me. Dan asked me what we should wear, and I told him to do what he wanted. It's so blame Hellman for the lack of tradition. A selfish guy. Y'all are your own men, y'all are grown ups. Whatever. Since Dane moved, Brian's right,

he's really been about his family. Not cool kind of person is that? Yeah? Oh me? The fun we have at the draft, questions football character, the question why even came back. I feel like Brian would if he were scouting, he'd be like this guy's got two kids. He loves him so much. He's not really into football now, Dan, I do want to apologize because it was New It was New York that traded to New England, because New England had one hundred, but they gave that to the

Raiders and now they get back up to one. So I don't know it's New England. But yeah, I was confused by the original saying. But Dane, of course, as always, was correct and one hundred percent certain that it was a rare New England New York trade between the Jets and the Patriots, and that's why the Patriots are actually on the clock here. Anthony Jennings Devin ASSISI two guys that they've already selected. Yeah, picked the most random guy on your board, and that's who they're gonna take. Could

they go tight end again? Man? Yes, yeah, that would be such a problem. Take my guy Harris, and that's kind of what I would think. That's my guy Troutman. Yeah, Troutman would be a yeah, that would be good. I mean, I tuts my next best guy, Hunter, I mean Hunter Bryant too at Washington. Washington's a good player. I do. I do kind of like Hunter Bryant. He's fun. Could this be for a quarterback? Oh? Man, let's find about that because it's good value, fake fake out from Rod.

But Rogers is talking to random Yeah, he says, on zoom with people or something. But how certain are they in Jared Stidham and the fact that nobody's taking a quarterback in a while. It seems like that take his kind of do. Here, Belichick is eight steps ahead. He doesn't really believe in Stidham. He believes Stidham can go one in fifteen, and he believes he can win eight Super Bowls with Trevor Lawrence. We love that he's sitting

at this dining room table with him. I mean, I've got a better set up than the greatest coach of all time. He looks like he's doing homework. Did you see he had the dog like, oh yeah, yeah, like his GM is working. He and the dog is at the chair like looking at the computer. Belichick. Yeah, Well, that's the difference between Belichick and Kingsbury. You know, Kingsbury gets caught up and having a fire lit in a courtyard that you're not even at. Belichick believes in working.

I think that looked like the lobby of a hotel more so than somebody. So here we go a at the table. Bill's waiting on a biscuits, a gravy to show up or something like that. Great if you had breakfast for dinner and it was sitting right there at the waffle house hanging out hungry me too. Okay, we talked about quarterback here, right, it's just somebody to throw that out. We just do it. Mentioned we mentioned it. Here's the commissioner tell us the hundred first pick to

the New England Patriots. With the hundred first pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Patriots like Dalton teen tight end right sleeper, tight end at all to get tight ends rolling down the board. Okay, heard a lot of people really high on him, even though he doesn't get a lot of shine. I like the number twenty nine. But there wasn't a lot to watch this year in Virginia Tech. But he was one of the few guys and they just barely used him. I mean he was. Uh.

You look at his production. It doesn't get you excited. But when he had a chance, he made the most of it. So uh. And you gotta love a guy whose nickname is Rambo. So did you see his picture there? He had he had the stringing. He looked like a Rambo. He did here you go. Yeah, thanks. His dad was a former offensive lineman, so he's got that in his DNA, and uh, there's a lot to like about him as and he goes to a good fit with the with the Patriots, who will know how to use him along

with Devin Assissi. At the same time, I was gonna say, it's a very Patriots thing to just draft two at the same time, well, listen, when you don't have one draft a bunch, especially if you're talking about the end of the third round through the end of the draft, just pick four of them and hope that you hit on one or something. I mean, don't didn't they come into this draft and into today with like twelve picks. It was it was quite a few. I mean they

got there. They're they're owning this round right now. It looks like they got you know, with the It's funny about the Patriots though again they're teamed to draft. They don't care. They just don't. They don't care. They're just gonna do what they have to do. But it's it's it makes me now think of, Okay, what did did I miss somethone Troutman, did I miss something on these Bryant guys. I miss something on Pinckney. Did I miss

something on Albert? Oh? You know? I mean, I mean, is it are these just now instead of third round guys? Are the fourth round guys or the fifth round eyes? Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing if Pittsburgh Steelers picks. And we haven't gone to the commissioner yet, but it just makes me think. Now when I when I look at this guy tonight, I'll sit down and look at this board again to get ready for tomorrow, and I'll have five tight ends that'll be you know, next available guy.

Here's here's the Steelers pick with the one second thick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, Pittsburgh Steelers select Alex Highsmith, linebacker Charlotte. I like that pick a lot. Actually ESPN tipped that pick. They showed Alex hi Smith. They showed his little package before like two minutes ago. Oh stop it, Cavanaugh, come on. They showed his graphic God, the graphics. Oh okay, okay, do you guys, you guys suck man? Alex Highsmith, good player? Um And like, hey, if Dabbos Sweeney calls you the

best player we've seen all year. That's pretty good and that's what that Bosweeney did with that. After they played Charlotte and it wasn't much of a contest, But Alex Highsmith as a really talented guy, and he really wasn't on the radar because he was more of an interior player the way they the way they lined him up. But new coaching staff comes in, they put him outside, let him just pin his ears back and go and he was one of the most productive backfield guys this year.

He was top five in the FBS and tackles for loss and sacks. So you don't do that without having a little bit of juice to rush off the edge. Yeah, the best film to watch with him was that Clemson tape. You're right, Dane and this guy, I mean, he is I don't think he has that start stop quickness, but once he does get you know, the quickness is good, but it's not that stuck when if you kind of

if you could hold him. At Clemson, we're kind of bumping him around a little bit, and you know he was he was having a little bit of trouble to get going again. But I'll tell you what though made he is one of those guys that when he could work to the inside or he could play on the move, that's where that's where I think he does some good. He does have some pass rush moves. I think his

techniques need to get a little bit better. But but I felt like though overall though, there's a lot to work with him when it comes to the type of player he is. I think the strength needs to improve a little bit though with him. But you're right Van about watching the Clemson tape. That's at least gives you an idea of some of the type of competition will have to play. And I like stories like that as well.

With whenever you talk about a guy who walked on at Charlotte, a Conference USA school and he was a walk on because he didn't receive any FBS offers, and he goes on Day two of the NFL Draft. That's a cool story for anybody out there, and it just kind of a personal aspect of it. You're gonna be okay because Team Davis Gaither's still on the board. Davion Taylor, the Colorado linebacker who played a grand total of one high school football games. The Scouting Report six foot, two

hundred and twenty eight runs like the wind. You can tell that he hasn't played a ton of football because you can see that the keys and the reading isn't always what you would want it to be. But when he gets it right, holy cow, he can get aggressive. He can fly sideline the sideline. He's a four four guy. I think dave On Taylor is my favorite developmental linebacker in this class. I love him. I love him, and he's gone. I'll tell you what. You know this this guy,

Jeff's right about him. It's funny. They play him like wide and kind of detached. They'll play him in the slide. Was watching the Nebraska game and he'll cover in the slot. He can cover some ground though too. When he's got legit speed, he really attacks the ball when given the opportunity. Uh you know, I think he's a good tackler when he gets the chance to bring the guy down there. There's some he'll put his body in some crazy positions to make tackles. I thought he needed maybe a little

bit balanced, a bit of balance and body control. But man, I'll tell you what, though, there's there's some times out there where he didn't know what he's doing. You can watch him and you're like, you're like, man, he's like he's kind of looking around and he's like, oh, I need to get the ball. He's running to get the ball. But yeah, there's a he's like, Muse is going to be a special teams guy initially. This this guy's the same way. I mean, check checked the special team snaps

for this cat. He ran a four four nine at the combine. Then he ran a four three. Yeah, so yeah it actually happened. Yeah, absolutely, And one of the best stories. Didn't play in high school because of religious reasons, so you know, it's just fascinating the path that he took. Um, he practiced, he was part of the team, just never played in a game. He played in one game, and it's because they started early enough on a Friday, but

went to Juco route went then went to Colorado. But like you said, a player where you can tell he's inexperience with the way he plays. The instincts aren't quite there yet, but the speed sure is. And he ran track at Colorado. So not surprised to see him go at this point a third round rams at one oh four. Take Terrell bone, no, Utah, it's kind of crazy that he lasted all the way to one oh four. We

need to figure that out. Boys, That's all right, Well we need to figure out is what's going on with a Keem Davis Gaither and hope it keeps going on for about twenty more picks, twenty to twenty five more pick. Well, you only got two left in the round, and you still got Curtis Weaver on the board, still got all the quarterbacks, Lewis, if you want to take an injury risk in the fourth round, I know we don't. We haven't talked a lot of tackles, at least since the

first But what about Prince Tega here? I mean, Prince Tega has been on the board for quite a while. I actually liked the Charles kid from Lshoe a little bit. And that's not because it's my school. Damn, the Kansas Kid. How do you pronounced the Kansas Kid's last name? Identity? Yeah, I have Charles the Prince and identity kind of in that little pocket. Prince is a real prince. He is

a real prince. Yeah yeah, But I mean I kind of got all those guys in that in that fourth round pocket there, guys, is where I'm looking at those Cats. I'm curious about Charles. Uh you know he was in Oh yeah, more you dig the worst you got, And I just I don't know this, but I wonder if we're gonna be sitting here tomorrow saying, oh man, he's still there, He's still there. I wonder why. So yeah, I don't think we wonder why. No, Well, you're you're right,

you're right, we know and we know why. Yeah. But I think you know, every year there's a guy who is the best available for like two hours. You know it was, I mean it was probably just Terrell Burgess just now, and I think you know, Sadiq Charles could be that guy tomorrow. One thing that is pretty uh, pretty encouraging in terms of some of these uh these

picks laid in this round. There's a lot of interior offensive line talent that's gonna be there in the fourth round if the Cowboys want to address that position, I mean before the I mean we got two picks left, do we kind of want to reset our expectations for what we're looking at a pick one twenty three. I think that's a good idea, like to trade back into one oh five or one oh six, just make it interesting. Yeah, the Saints have got The Saints just did that. Yeah, yeah,

the Saints are back into this thing. Go get a Keem Davis Gaither, thank you. I don't think it would be a linebacker. I think it would be a tight end. Why why would you not try and go get one of those guys? I don't know if it's it's one of the Bryants or if it's uh An Albert o'quebanam, it doesn't matter who. Why would you not try and hang out? Vikings have traded the one fifth pick to the New Orleans Saint. With the one hundred and fifth pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the New Orleans

Saints select Adam Troutman tight end day Grol Kyle. I didn't know that, I promise. I was just trying to bring up a talking point. Sure you didn't. I didn't all have on my screen. We all have Twitter. My Twitter's not up, I promise. Oh you're a liar. I'm not, but early, I was trying to bring it up. Let's go something real quick. This was Dane Brugler's number one tight end, Dane firemout uh a guy, there's a quarterback.

His entire life, and then he goes to Dayton and he says, hey, I just want to play, so let me move to tight end. First time he ever caught a pass as the ret refreshman was the first time in his life he ever caught a pass in a football game. So I'm surprised he's lasted outside the top one hundred picks. But the competitiveness that he offers. Not a speed guy, but you see the route running, you see a guy that's able to attack the catch point. And what I loved most after I got done talking

with him, was just the competitiveness that he has. I mean, he is a guy that has driven and so typical. You know, we've mentioned this with the Ravens and with some other teams, but the Saints seemed to find really good players in rounds two, three, and four, and they did it again. Here. You see an opportunity, you go up and try and grab a guy that could help you out, and the Saints needed to tie end. Yeah, that and that I just wondered. I thought this run

would come a lot earlier. With these sides. There's a couple that have just flat that I I didn't think we're as good as the guys were. You know, we're talking about with like I said, we mentioned Troutman, the two Bryants, Albertau. I just you know, the hot Hopkins kid is another guy, Parkinson from Stanford. I mean, there's just a pocket of guys there that are really, really good players, and it's just it's surprising me that it took this long for for Troutman to go and real quick.

You know, since we were taught, did you you guys see the terms of this thing, this trade? So we were talking about, you know, if you want to get back in there, Jeff, be careful what you wish for. Because the Saints needed four picks to get this done. They gave up one thirty one, thirty one, sixty nine, two oh three, and two forty four. So I don't know the Saints whole draft, but that's I mean, it

sounds like they're done picking to get this guy. So I mean, if if you wanted to go get your linebacker, you probably have to give up everything you've got tomorrow to do. We just hang out see if that was to us, and then we use quality over quantity. I think they are done. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it. I don't hate. I mean, if the Saints feel like that's their guy, I don't hate the decision, because what are the odds you're gonna just hit home runs with

those pass organizations? Done it before, right, Yeah? Just go yeah? Well, oh god, the Ricky Williams trade and getting address or whatever. Which one word dress was it Ricky or yeah, ricky word dress. If you feel like he's the guy, I say, do it, as long as you're comfortable being done for the weekend. Well, they've traded next year's one before to do stuff. You know, the Saints, they're not afraid to trade. The Saints are in a unique spot where they are

really I mean, it's it's it's now. Should have been the super Bowl the last two years, That's what. That's what I'm saying. It's now or never. You got maybe two years to win a championship with Breeze maybe, Well, they're operating on a different timeline than most NFL teams. You can also just throw in the factor of who's had a better third round. They pick up Zach Bond and Adam Troutman in the third round alone, and then

you add Caesar Ruise in the first as well. I mean, that's a pretty solid draft, even if you call it quits there. So yeah, the Vitings have thirteen picks tomorrow. Good god, Yeah that's true. So we're just gonna be here and we're gonna be talking about Spielman every other Well, here's the final pick of the final pick of the round. We go. Here we go with the pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft the Baltimore Ravens like Kyrie Phillips

guard Mississippi State. There is irrelevant of Day two hiree Phillips. That's another guy I had in that article of guys who could potentially replace Travis Frederick late in the draft. That was another offensive guard that could potentially fill that role. Anything else on him? Dane Uh massive, dude, surprise they announced him as a guard. I thought, I mean, because he played love tackle this past year from Mississippi State. I think he can play tackle. UM six five, three

thirty one uh over thirty five inch arms. Not a guy that's gonna move all that well, but uh, he's going to Uh he's gonna once he gets his hands on you, he's gonna control you, drive you off the screen. So uh, to me, I think he's a tackle, but it'll be interesting to see how the Raven use him. Yeah, this is a guy I haven't said this. I went back and I go in the tradition of big Mississippi State offensive lineman, and I went Robert Hicks, Gabe Jackson,

pork chopped Womack. You know, here's another one, this guy. Yeah, here's the guy three hundred over thirty pounds. He uses his mask to his advantage when it comes to creating holes, and once he gets that big body going, he can cause some problems. So he's a hard guy for defenders to do with due to his size. You know, he's the one pushing folks around. He's got some power in his hands. I think when he hits the defenders there's some shock. But he has to be careful because he

does become over extended. He's a wastebender at times. I would not call him with I don't think he has nifty feet at all, So he's not going to press you with that lateral slide or things that you look with those those offensive lineman he was. It was a Juco kid that has put himself in position to be drafted and here he is. He's been drafted by the

Baltimore Ravens. He had bottom three numbers in the tackle position and both the broad jump and then the shuttle as well, So it didn't have a great combine at five three, seven forty and then a twenty five inch vertical. Now, I know, in the third round you're still just looking for projections over the combine numbers, but at least there it wasn't necessarily anything to write home about. Now, kind of going back to the conversation that Dave was having

a little bit earlier, where does this put us? I mean, we're at the end of the third round. You're looking forward to pick one twenty three, or excuse me, to the fourth round pick here for the Cowboys at one thirteen. What are we thinking here? Man? I'm I'm just now. You know, it kind of gets away from you when the picks start flying, but you kind of reset everything. A lot of a lot of names that intrigue me, and I mean the later you go in the draft, the harder it is to know how the Cowboys feel.

But both of the Bryants are still there at tight end. You got Jeff skuy Akeem Davis Gaither, Carol Lewis Curtis Weaver. Yeah, both so there. Robertson the corner, wasn't he? Yeah, troll Lewis was picked. Well, let me take him out of the draft pool. Then Brian's guy, James Lynch is still there, Yes he is. kJ Hill is still there, Tyler surprising Meek. Robertson's still around. Yeah, he tweeted about it. He's gonna try really hard. Is that an injury thing, Dane, it's

a short thing. He had the groin injury. But as far as I know, it's more size related than anything. Shoot, how about my guy Troy Pride junior him? Well, if you're talking about a corner with some link to him, damn you Dane. Oh, I so agree with your man. And I was wondering if I was alone on the Troy Pride Junior man. What about what about Robinson from is it from Tulsa? Yeah? Rot, Where's Kevin Turner when

we need good play? Yeah? I mean that's what I'm saying. Though, if you're you know, the guys were talking about like Holmes from UCLA or Robertson, those are shorter guys, you know, I mean, we're kind of at that point right now, and I think there's still safeties on the board that could help the kill Boys. But you like Josiah Josiah Scott, Josiah Scott, but not I mean no, I mean not in the top three rounds. He is one of the

undersized corners that I do like. But I think it shapes up still with Geno Stone, Iowa safety, Kenny Robinson, the West Virginia Joint Louis Battlehawk Jr. Reid M. Cavan Wallace. I think you still got safeties that could like right now. What we're what you're looking for is a combination of things, right a guy that could make the team. We're going in to day three. We're looking for a guy that could make the team. We're looking for traits. Maybe you're

looking for special teamers. So yeah, I still think they've got they've got some nice players to pick from, and I mean pick one, Sorry Kyle, but I think there's still potential here for somebody who can help you in twenty twenty and pick at pick one twenty three, depending on what you do with it. Yeah, agreed, And I think Edge Rusher is still a possibility. Kalee Kareem, who

hasn't been mentioned yet out of Notre Dame. He's a guy that I I kind of tabbed early as one of those mid day maybe three day three guys that I would like steel. I think he would be a steel in the fourth round. Absolutely, And I think you're looking at some receivers that are there. I know you don't necessarily need receiver, but kJ Hill a guy that I know, Dave, you are really high. He makes it to day three, I would I mean, I don't know when, when or where he would play, but I'd love to

have him. Lucky Foe two still on the board, Darnay Holmes from UCLA still on the board. There's some names here, guys. Ye A little surprised that, uh, the quarterbacks Jacob Base and Jake from Learn taken the day and that was hurts make him make it to the fifth something like we've always and guys, we've all been together doing this for a while, so you understand tomorrow, like say, scouts and front offices, they're not sitting in their war rooms,

but they've seen their board. And I have a feeling tomorrow when we get back, we're gonna see those guys those things with those picks. Everyone'll say I got value here, I got value, I get value here, and they're just gonna go down that board and they're gonna pick these guys and all these names that we're talking about right now are gonna be those guys that are taken early. I trust me that. It's like, Wow, I got a third round grade on this guy, I gotta take him now.

You know, there's a lot of teams sitting around with third round grades on guys when we get to this fourth round and they're just gonna they're gonna pick them off there as we get going tomorrow, first thing in the morning, let me let me if you're if you're with us at eleven oh seven or twelve oh seven, if you're in Dame, somewhere in the world, other around the world, appreciate thank you guys. If you're with it, yeah, absolutely,

love you to death. We're thrilled you're here. But if you're with us right now, let me give you some behind the scenes, because what's gonna happen is Brian brought us, is going to log out of here and he's gonna go home, and on the drive home, he's gonna start pounding the hell out of that cell phone. Get ready. He's gonna make about thirty phone calls between now and

ten am tomorrow, and he's gonna come in here. I mean we're not actually gonna be in the same room, but he's gonna log in with just the most ridiculous curveballs about what we should be expect at the top of the fourth. It happens every freaking year and it's very fun. I should tune in. I can't wait. Sometimes he comes in no one who certain team's gonna pick, and it ruins his whole day before the draft. Yeah start, oh yeah, like yeah, like last year. Yeah, it hurts.

Uh huh. I take this way too seriously, like you guys. As we met at Brian gets gets it in his head that the pick might not be what he wants. I want to say one thing though, before we do close this. I know Kyle closes out here tonight. Though. I love being with you guys again. I'm sorry I missed you for all those draft shows. Jeff, you got everybody did a great job. Dang, it's great to have you back to man. When we signed out, I didn't know what was going to happen at the end. But

maybe this is not goodbye because we got tomorrow. We're gonna have a lot of fun. But it is nice to be able to work a draft with you guys again. It's it's one of the great joys of my career. Yeah, I'm looking forward to tomorrow. Glad we got another day. Well, and I'll also add to that, Brian, this is the first time I've actually gotten to work with you there. We worked up behind the Saints back and forth, So

I mean, that's ecstatic for me. I grew up listening to you listening or going to uh maybe sounds or something like that. That's fair, that's fair. Well, it's the fact that I'm young is probably the better. I'll throw that in there. So but yeah, I will sign us off tonight. Jeff started things off on the one O five three the fans side. We will be back on the fan tomorrow. Jeff tell me ten am or no no, no, no, no at is it noon or is it ten right?

We're I think I think Jeff and I got a pre pregame show and then you guys join on with us, so I know we start at ten am tomorrow. Ye see that was where I was consumers back and yeah, it happens every year to tradition like no other. The draft itself is at eleven, though, isn't it central? Eleven Central? So me and Jeff were gonna pregame this thing. We're gonna throw all these names out there and can confuse everybody. You guys are welcome, Yeah, Bill, free to jump off

you want. H Well, we'll be a part of the one oh five three the fan draft coverage tomorrow will also be on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and when the Cowboys are picking, we will be on the social side of things too, So that is gonna do it here for Day two of the twenty twenty NFL Draft for Brian Bronness, for Dane Brugler, for Jeff Cavanaugh and David Helman. I'm Kyleeelman saying so long. We'll see you tomorrow morning

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