Draft Show: Finding Some Day Two Value

we are back second time this weekend. It's twice the Draft Show all the way through until the NFL Draft, even some weeks we may have some more draft show for you, but it's double dipping from here on out due to the Cowboys losing their chances at a playoff. But glad to be joined as always by Dan Brugler, Kevin Turner, and then hey, how about this, We've got David Hellman back on the show after missing on Tuesday.

That's the glory of this kind of weak Helman and kind of this scenario with what Derek is built with the Draft show because we had Jeff Kavanaugh fill in on Tuesday, came into, did a great job with Bucky and Brian, and then now you get to come in and substitute for a day. So the talent is always there and everyone's going to get a voice whenever it

comes to these drafts. Yeah, it's kind of ironic because when we talked about this, you know, gigantic lineup, I was really I was a little bit confused about how it was going to work. And here we are, like one week into the offseason. I'm like, oh, yeah, like this is pretty great. We can mix and match as we need to because of everybody's schedules. So it's cool to see y'all instead of Brian's old face for a change. It's great. For the most part, we all get along.

So that's you know, for the most part, we all kind of you know, for the most part, for the most part. Who are you referring to here, Katie, I'm saying, I you know, so some of us can disagree on if Yeah, sometimes you disagree on if you want to win games or not. So but that's over and we will never talk about it again, we hope, because they will never miss the playoffs again after this year's draft, Like your attitude. We're gonna fix the draft that that much,

We're gonna fix this team that much. But I mean, I like your way of thinking, and we're gonna kind of get into maybe some second third round guys. Today we're gonna talk about the National Championship game of course coming up, and Heisman winner Davante Smith, first wide receiver to win the Heisman since nineteen ninety one. But I want to kind of go into how to fix this Cowboys team, Katie. I mean, you kind of look at

ahead a little bit. I mean, that loss to the Giants secured that number ten overall pick, but it also showed a lot of the holes. It showed a lot of the issues with this Cowboys team, specifically on the defensive side of the football, and it kind of compounded

what was the twenty twenty season into one game. But whenever you look at the first round talent, we've kind of talked about the far Leaves and the Curtans and all these different players that could potentially go in the first round, But if you look into Day two, where is the majority of the talent. Is it at defensive tackle, is it at linebacker? Where are we going to find somebody that's going to fix this defense KT that the

Cowboys need desperately. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm a guy who's pretty big on this secondary needs to be rebuilt. And the rebuilt process might have already happened with you know, Trevon Dix coming in, and you were lucky to get him at fifty one last year at which we felt he was or I felt they were lucky to get him at fifty one. You mentioned DT and linebacker. Those are areas that I do want them to address. And I think they could use another defensive end as well.

And I would have liked it seen some more Bradley and I you know, on the active list on game day. But I I'm liking what you might have at cornerback there. If you look at the Cowboys were picking at forty four. I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think that you could get you could be double up at cornerback if you needed to. You know, you already have Anthony Brown,

who I think is a solid player. But you know, I think I think the depth, you're gonna you're gonna hit a spot where you feel like you're kind of dry. But as Eric Stokes from Georgia there at forty four is Tyson Campbell from Georgia there at forty four. Do you like them? Um? You know there some questions that are they're gonna come up? How far do you feel like you need a slot guy? And maybe Elijah Molden from Washington, who to me has kind of a defensive

Cole Beasley attack Junkyard dog mentality. Uh. Greg Newsom from from Northwestern is a really good player. You know, if you want to double up at cornerback, I think you could do that. We've seen this team do that and the twenty seventeen draft that I think we look back on and go, what a great draft. But I think that's a possibility, and I'm more excited about taking two cornerbacks. I think that I would be you know, taking a

linebacker in round two? Dan, what do you think about some of the names that Katie just thrown through out there? But also the fact that thinking about double dipping is not something new. They even did it last year at corner with Reggie Robinson. I know they moved him into safety, but then you had digs in the second but double dipping in days one and two is kind of what Katie's alluding to here, is that a possibility for the

Cowboys with the talent that's on the table. Oh? Absolutely, And the Cowboys have shown their hand in the past few years that hey, they think they feel pretty good about finding corners on Day two of the draft with the returns with Woozier, you know, with obviously Trevon Diggs

he did as a rookie. Came out with my All Rookie team on the Athletic this week, and Trevon Diggs was my number one corner despite missing missing a few games, he was I thought, even though and there were some rough patches there, but he was the most consistent from start to finish. And so I think if you're if you're the Cowboys, you feel pretty good about your chances of finding a corner, whether that's h and Katie set

it up nicely with a lot of those names. Um, you know, if I think maybe like a Tyson Campbell, I think there's a good chance he goes one because the traits are just so remarkable. But if you can find a guy like an Assante Samuel because he's gonna get dinged because of the size, but just like his dad, the ball skills, the instincts, the reaction quickness. He makes plays. And so if you're able to get an assante Samuel in the second round, that's a heck of a find. Um.

You know another name I would they're out there. He fought to U Melifon Wu from Syracuse, another guy I know. Katie likes him too. All the traits are there. I mean, if you want traits, He's got up sixty three, two hundred and fifteen pounds, He's twitchy, he moves well. I think he could play press, he could play zone. U Melifon was kind of a name that isn't talked about a whole lot. But I wouldn't be surprised if he

ends up somewhere on day two. You just you sorry, Sorry, Dan, You broke my heart a little bit there, because like we bring up we bring up Tyson Campbell. This is the I mean, we do this every year where I'm like, okay, You're like you're telling me Tyson Campbell might be in play at forty four like this, you know, six, one big cornerback from the SEC, Like sign me the hell up.

And then you're like, no, yeah, he's he's physically rare enough that he might not be available for you well, and I mean I don't did any of us think Trevon Diggs was was going to fall to fifty one, you know, so you know, you never say never, But you know, I think Campbell's got a better chance to be you know, like an AJ Terrell, Uh, you know, a guy that there's some some it tapes, not perfect. I mean he I wish you would play just a little more loose um with with his play style. But

the traits you can't coach. You know, He's born with a lot of those, and so I think that there's a better chance he's gonna end up somewhere in the first round. But yeah, you just never know. Guys with those types of traits, you bet on it if he were to fall into the second round, do you jump all over that? Just as a oh sorry, co go ahead, just as a general statement, I like here in this because and obviously things are going to change. Free agency

is going to happen. But it's hard to ignore cornerback as this team's biggest trouble spot right now just because they don't have any I mean, we don't know what's going to happen to Cheeto or Jordan Lewis, and you know, Reggie Robinson first of all was moved to safety and second of all didn't play, so you don't even know what you have in him, and so they need bodies, and so it's at least encouraging to think that they can potentially double up or find guys, you know, with

that second pick. If they don't get one in the top ten, or even if they do, I have al that's going to change, but it's still nice to know, well, if they're in the second round, there's day two looking at all these corners, and there are some good names there. I mean, outside of the Campbells and the Waves, I mean there's the guys like the Eric Stokes and the Essante Samuel Junior who may not be there in the second round, but or at least second round conversation guys.

Would that deter this team from potentially taking a corner like a certain or a Farley in the top ten? I mean, because I know we're talking about double dipping here and if that's a possibility, sure, it's a possibility, But knowing that there's guys on the back end, does it make you feel better up in that first round? Dane because I know the defensive tackle talent isn't there for a top ten pick, and the same thing with

maybe a linebacker outside of Micah Parsons. But it does it deter a team away if you're wanting to go corner the fact that there might be some water on. Yeah, I think it's an interesting philosophical approach that, you know, I think there's going to be different opinions on because

there's some logic to what you're saying. You know, if a position is stronger on Day two, then why not go with a position that's still something that you could that you need and because you know there's a better chance just odds that they are better odds there's going to be a player at that other position later on.

So it makes sense. But I also think that with every round that goes lowers your chances of hitting, and so I think it's important in the first round to hit, and that means drafting the best player on your board, and you know it's that that gets into the whole best player available conversation and all that. I just think when you have a top ten pick, you need a draft who's going to make the biggest impact on your roster, and you know, that might be a corner, that might

be a tackle. You know, it might be you know, if we think about it. Okay, let's say four quarterbacks do end up going top ten, which would only be the second time since nineteen sixty it's ever happened. But it's possible. That would mean you're getting this theoretically to six best non quarterback in this draft. That's pretty good. I mean, you feel pretty good about that. And so I think you have to, you know, go after the best player. That might be a cable far then that

might be Patrick Surtan. But if you think those guys are on the same tier as a you know, a linebacker or a pass rusher, then maybe you do go with one of those other positions and make sure you get your corner later. I will say this though, I think pass rusher is also a very strong position. We don't have that top ten guy or that that lock top ten guy this year, but in the mid first round, in the second round, third round, there are some intriguing

pass rushers in this class. Yeah, and that's another thing about this roster. You know, I think Randy Gregory has earned a starting job next year, But you know, you just can't lock that in and kind of the way I would think about this if I was working in an NFL front office, and god knows I'm not, but if I was, I'm more in the boat of let's just take the best player we can again and let's

fill out this roster. But if I'm a team that has I feel like I have a top ten offense and I feel like I have a top ten defense, That's where I'm comfortable roadmapping the draft, which is what the Cowboys have shown that they do a lot. In twenty seventeen is the best example where they said we are taking an edge player in the first round, ended

up taking Taco and then Cheeto and Jordan Lists. We knew, because they knew the depth of the draft, that they were going to attack the secondary on Day two, and I just don't know if that philosophy works as well when you've hit rock bottom like they did defensively this year. I think you just got to load up with the best players you can pick it. I think if you spend too much time thinking about what might be there on Day two, then you could lose out on something

on Day one. And I would say the same thing about day three. We'll have them thinking too much about what might be there in round four, you might miss something you know that's right underneath you right there on day two, which that is my foss I want to go, which I want to bring it back to kind of what Kyle led this off with. And Dane, you know,

I love to put you on the spot. I'm here, I'm in mid January, and I'm gonna ask you this, but like, but this is the this is the impression that I get just from like, you know, I'm kind of getting like knee deep into this draft class. Now. Cornerback certainly seems like and all right, for the purposes of this, we're talking about defense. Forget about Kyle Pitts, forget about the offensive tackles, like we're just talking defense.

Cornerback certainly seems like one of a few positions where you have multiple guys that you feel good about in that top ten spot. Like it doesn't seem like there's a defensive tackle that you would want to pick there, you know, Micah Parsons, maybe the Notre Dame guy who apologies I'm blanking a Lusu Karamora, Jeremiah cory Um Okay,

so that's three. I don't get the impression that there's a safety that you would feel good about drafting in that, right, So cornerback and linebacker and maybe edge, although even edge, Like, is there a guy that you would stand on the table four all the way up at ten? No? I think maybe if they stick with a three four. I mean, Aziz Augilary is so intriguing to me, Like, I think he's better than Clayveon Chason last year. I think he's

a better prospect. So that would be a guy that would I stand on the table for him at ten. Maybe not necessarily, you know that emphatically, but I would definitely consider him. He would he has to be in the conversation. One more name I think needs to be in there is Zaven Collins from Coulson. I was going to ask about him later in the show. I really like what he brings to the table and not I I know the Cowboys like him. I know they like him in the first round, do I I don't know

if they like him top ten. I don't know if they would consider him as high as ten, but I know that they do really like him. And so that's a name I think we need to keep on the radar as as a guy that could potentially beat that choice. Talking about him the first round, Dan, why was he so far off the radar that he's just now starting to kind of get some pub and get some recognition, because I feel like early on I never heard his name. I mean whenever we were talking about some of these

defensive prospects. But then all of a sudden, he's popped up. And I mean, of course I watched his tape yesterday and for the first time, just because I was saying, who's the Xavien Collins guy? People keep asking about. Well, I really liked what he brought, but why did it take so long for everybody to notice? Well, I mean, being playing at Tulsa's part of it, um, you know, But he's he's a guy that back in you know, October was getting first round love from from around guys

around the league. So you know, it's just more of you know, people on the outside kind of catching up. But he's six three, two sixty. He moves so well for a guy that size, and I think he might be a better fit for three to four because of just the versatility that he brings as a pass rusher.

He could be a natural samum, but there's just so much to like about him as as a versatile linebacker that can stay on the field and just give you a lot so uh, you know, playing at Tulsa's part of it, but man, if if you want a guy with production, and he certainly had that, he provided impact play. It seems like every single week, whether it's a pick six or you know, a big tackle he's covering on the outside. Zaven Collins is a guy that a lot

of teams like. And when you really boil it down and you start stacking these players on a board, you realize, Okay, I like Davin Collins more than this guy. Okay, yeah, takes Daven Collins over him, and all of a sudden you realize he's closer to ten than maybe we thought a couple a couple months ago when they were watching Reggie We're real quick. When they were watching Reggie Robinson last year, they were going, wait, who's that guy? Oh

my Ohumber high school quarterback? Okay, you know, playing linebacker. Okay, it moves like that. Okay, falls to forties? Is there a chance he falls to the forties? Nice? Yeah, yeah, I mean like I said, I think he's a guy that could be in the mix in the top fifteen, so it would be a surprise, but you know, you'd ever know. Okay, can we step Coromoa for a minute, because we don't talk about him a lot? I think

one frustrating thing. And you know, you don't never want to rush these types of decisions, but I like, I want decisions made about this defense immediately. Who is the DC? Are we changing the scheme? Ye? What are we doing? Honestly? And I don't want to be like like unfair, but like you need to make a decision on Jalen Smith soon? Ye? Like soon? Are you gonna make post June one cut him? And you have a nine million dollar cap hit spread out over four years and that's around that area. Are

you gonna post June one cut him? Are you bringing him back? I think you need to know. And Jermaine Oosue Coromoa from Notre Dame is a type of guy who I don't think is gonna suit every scheme, and I think some teams are gonna go I think I want to play him like maybe maybe Arizona utilizes you know, Buddha Baker, you know, and there're gonna be some teaple to say, you know what, he's my weak side linebacker.

You're gonna need to know those types of things when he come to evaluating these players and how seriously you're gonna take those guys. Because I love Coromoa's tape and I just you sit here and go, I don't know if this team would seriously take him or not, but that I think he's a guy who's new needs to be considered as a top fifteen pick in this draft.

That is a wonderful point, Katie. And like you know, going back all the years that we did this show when Rod Marinelli was the DC, I used to always say, like, don't talk to me about these Swiss Army knife players because that's not what Rod Marinelli does. Like Rod Marinelli wants to put pegs into holes and like you're my end, you're my end, you're my safety. Like you didn't see those versatile guys who move all over the defense playing here.

And obviously Rod's gone, but I don't feel like I have any better grasp of what Mike Nolan would do with that type of player, Like I couldn't tell you, which maybe that's an embarrassing thing to admit, like I don't know what Mike Nolan does or like what he wants to do, Like I don't have a good idea of what that defense. Yeah, what's the identity of that defense?

I don't know. And we also don't even know if Mike Nolan's going to be the DC by the time they pick, So, yeah, it would be very nice to have some clarity about what their mission statement is for this defense, which hopefully we'll get that eventually. Yeah, but it leads to identity, and there was no consistency. There was zero consistency throughout the season, and so we're all sitting here, like you said, Dave, with our hands up in the air, like what are we doing? Where are

we going from here? Because we don't know what the consistency is from a personnel standpoint? What are we doing in the cornerback spot? What are we doing from winebackers? I mean, Katie, you brought up a fantastic point because we don't even know what scheme we're gonna run. We don't know if it's gonna be a three to four

or four three. How are we going to pick efficiently if we don't know what that's going to be you know what, I think it's important to remember the highest paid player in Dallas Cowboys franchise history is DeMarcus Lawrence. DeMarcus Lawrence is probably suited to be a four to three. Shall we build it around him? Now? I don't know how how much longer is he going to be here, but he is your highest paid player in franchise history.

Hopefully that changes. Hopefully that changes today. Hell who knows, But like you know, I just I wonder if you should go, you know what, let's let's let's make sure we've got our left defensive end in de Marcus Lawrence, We've got Randy Gregory right defensive end. We'll figure out what you know, we're gonna do. We like you know, and I we like Dorrence Armstrong. Maybe we can add another defensive end in this draft. I just think maybe

that's the way to go. Then trying to do this whole thing that they talked about in multiple and fitting players to a scheme, and that sounds so hypocritical after years of going, well, they're not gonna get turnovers and every team in the world knows what defense they're gonna run. And I'm like, hey, man, Rod Marinelli, you want to come back. That's insane. That's insane, I know, but building around take that might be the best thing. You're getting

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you told me to forget about Kyle pits. Well, I can't do that, So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this out there because I got a text from our actually a DM from Preston Dabs today early this morning, and I thought it was a fantastic question. He said, for argument's sake, does Kyle Pitts get this team back? To dominating in the red zone. Should they pick him at the tenth overall selection, because we've talked about the athleticism, we've talked about how good of a player and how

generational of a player he could be. But offensively, you're not looking for prospects. You want to defensive prospect there ideally, However, is that a need because of the struggles in the red zone? David, you know it's a bummer, because I mean, anybody that follows my work knows that I am. I'm captain of the Blake Jarwin pain train, and I would have loved to have seen what the red zone offense looked like with him in the lineup, because I really I thought he could have been a high volume guy

down there. I do, obviously, I think a guy as athletic and awesome as Kyle Pitts would obviously help you. But I do I wonder, and Dane, you can help me figure this out. I think Kyle, you know Kyle Pitts is he's improved as a blocker, like he can do blocker things. But that's obviously not why you're drafting him. But the Cowboys are like you, I don't want to

I don't want to get out of eleven personnel. I've got three great wide receivers, so can I mean, if Kyle Pitts is gonna play here, it's gonna be on the line, even if it's not to block. Like you know, I don't know how much they're gonna flex him out, And I wonder would that be hampering his ability? Like if the Cowboys played him that way, would he still be successful if he can't you know, flex off the line? Yeah, I mean I think he'd still be successful. But are

you putting a cap on just how successful he could be? Probably, you know, because you want part of the appeal of Kyle Pitts is that he can line up in line, detached out wide. I mean, you're you're looking to exploit

weaknesses in the defense with what Kyle Pitts offers. And if you're lining them up in the same spot down in, down, out, not creating any type of mystery there for the defense about what you're doing with them, then you know, yeah, you're you're kind of I think you're putting a cap on just you know, what makes him so unique and so rare. I mean, Pitts, it's a really fascinating conversation with him because he's one of the top five talents in his class. I feel confident saying that. But will

he be a top five pick, probably not. Will he be a top ten pick maybe not. It's hard to find, you know, the exact right landing spot for him because he's so different, he's so unique. A lot of team aren't gonna be uh necessarily on board with that. So, you know, the Cowboys, there's a good chance they could have a shot at him at ten um. You know, would they would they really do that? It would be it would be a pivot from what we have come to,

you know, expect from this organization. So it would be a surprise, But I don't think you can completely rule it out. And to answer the question though, like what gets you back to dominating in the red zone, it's Dak Prescott and I'll roll my dice, is that the red zone offense is going to be pretty good if dat doesn't get hurt last year. That's just well, one last thing on Kyle Pitts. If you want to figure out how to use them, just watch the Raiders offense.

Watch how Darren Waller is used. And that's how you use Kyle Pitts, and you know it's it's not that hard to you know, we shouldn't overthink it. Just watch how the Raiders use Darren Waller use Kyle Pitts the same way, and you got a pro bowler on your hands. I like that idea. I'm sold pick him at ten and figure out from there. Now, I'm just kidding. That's not an efficient I will say, I will say, and I'm Dan obviously I think you're right, and I hope

I'm not talking out of my butt here. But like the Raiders, like John Bruden is famous for using like he uses twelve personnel a lot like he is, he is not an eleven personnel kind of guy. And that goes back to my point is I would love it

if they drafted Kyle Pitts. That would excite me. But at the same time, if cd Amari and Michael Gallup are all on this team and you have a guy like Kyle Pitts and you have Blake Jarwin coming off his acl and Dalton Schultz had a nice season as well, that's a lot of mouths to feed for a team that likes to run eleven personnel. And I mean It's something that would definitely concern me, but I would call

it a good problem to have. And also a team that has a ninety million dollar running back sitting in the backfield should he be on the roster in twenty twenty one as well. So, I mean there's multiple mouths to feed whenever it talks to the offense. And we already had that conversation after Cede Lamb was selected. We

had already talked about it. And if you're adding another man to the mix, that would potentially be something that it would be tough for an offense to deal with, even though you won as many talented guys as you potentially could on that squad. Okay, so justin Warner ask what position in this year's draft has the best talent

and best depth? Much like the wide receiver position last year, Dane, I think wide receiver again is another one where it's and it's kind of funny how similar to it is to last year, where you know, last year we had kind of we talked about the big three with Rugs and Judy and Lamb, and we weren't sure what order they were going to go in. This is kind of similar this year. Wi Jamar Chase and Davonte Smith and

Jaylen Waddle. You could make a case for any one of those three to be the first wide receiver off the board. And it doesn't stop there. I can't wait to see Crystal Lava in the National Championship game going up against those Alabama corners. Uh, Kadarius Tony. Anybody watches uh, you know SEC football watches Florida. They know about Kadarius Tony. How special of an athlete he is. Um. You know,

the wide receiver position is stacked once again. And then you know, we talked about corner and edge rusher in the first segment. Both those positions are you know, it's this is not a great year to you know, if you want that elite player at the top. But there's good value in you know, the mid first, you know kind of rate where the Cowboys are going to be picking. There's good value in the second and a third at corner and edge rushers. So I think those three positions

really stand out more than others. And then one other one I would say was tackle, And that's a that's a good thing for a team like the Cowboys who could look at tackle in the first round. But they could also wait to the second or third round and get a developmental guy that they could realistically turn into a future starter. I think about asked, I think about past third round picks, and we've talked about, you know,

MALIEK Collins or Neville Gallimore. You know, I think there's a few defensive tackle names that might be of interest for them at seventy five. But I still think you gotta think about what are you doing defensive scheme? What's the scheme, what is your what are you doing? And

I don't know that. And I think they've proven, at least the people doing the drafting, and I know the head coach has changed, they've proven they're not going to invest heavy on a nose and that could change a nose or a one technique at three hundred and twenty five pound Maller like, they're probably not gonna do that.

But another thing that they've all also done in the past, And I think about Chaz Green, and I think of Connor McGregor a third round offensive tackle too, And that's that's where I think the tackles are a position to keep an eye on it picks seventy five tackles on both sides of the football, because you know, I think the more you have to look at these offensive tackles, like Dane said, you find guys who are all we gotta be there just because you know all I guess

you're gonna drafted tackle, but you can't see. Go Okay, there might be a good third round guy or a late second round, third round guy that I like. And and I also think the defensive tackle. You know, there's some guys I like that you might have to go get it Pick forty four, Washington tackle LEVI on Mouzoika, I want to make sure get close to the get his name right now. I like him more than Let's talk about some of the guys we were talking about last year who might be there at pick fifty one.

We were talking about Justin Mattabek from Texas A and M I like on Mozoique's name quite a bit more than that. M J twofele of of usc is a powerful player who can you know he would play the one technique if you were running a four to three here, I mean, that would be his position. You know, maybe he slips into the third round, and maybe that's a guy who would be of interest and I like the idea of that, but he had just gotta learn a little bit more about what the heck this team plans

to do on defense next year. And I hope those decisions are being made. I hope they're having meetings right now and getting close to making decisions because other teams are making these decisions and they're going to be picking their defensive coordinators. Is gonna be knowing what they're doing, and the faster you get on it, I think they better haven't been to that point yet. And Scott fitz and our guy Alan both asked about it was some of the names that defensive tackles. So Katie, I'm glad

you kind of went through that a little bit. Now. Jason Davis asked on Twitter and he said, what quarterbacks later in the draft have the potential to be a future starter. Now, I kind of want to preface this by saying, of course, this goes away from the Cowboys a little bit, but does it really because there's still an opportunity to draft a late round quarterback. Dane. I know we talk about Ben da Nucci last year, but we saw what Ben da Nucci brought to the table

in a tough situation against Philadelphia in Week eight. However, there's I think still a chance that you pick a quarterback. Is there anybody that sticks out to you that could potentially be a starter somewhere down the road. A guy that I really like, and it's hard to figure out exactly where he's going to get drafted right now, but Davis Mills from Stanford, who is a former five star guy who just never quite lived up to it at Stanford.

But the traits are there, and so give me the guy with the traits and let's try and figure them out and see what we have. So I don't know where he's gonna be drafted. It's probably somewhere on day three, is my guests. But all I know is I really like the raw talent and I would love to bring him into my quarterback room and try and develop them. I just want to add in the quarterback is my least favorite position to watch, so I really hope they get a deal done with Dak and I would just

like to just push back. I like doing quarterbacks last, if at all possible. I couldn't really do that this year with the four guys and having a top ten pick, But man, I really love doing quarterbacks in February, worry in March, and pushing it back as far as possible.

So sign Deck, it's the right thing to do. I just want to throw in like, and I mean, we were going to talk about every position at every level of the draft, but like kind of an unfair question, isn't it like how many a little bit, how many starting quarterbacks in the NFL were found outside the top thirty five. It's like it's like Dak Russell Wilson and Gardner Minshew and Gardner Minshew's not even the long term answer.

So I don't I'm sorry, only the only the best of all times, right in my bad Yeah, I guess so, I mean, no, you are right, You are right. It is RAF teams. If teams knew these guys were we're gonna be that caliber, they wouldn't last to the point that they do. I will say, I just I feel it in my bones. I don't know if he'll ever be a starter starter, Like, I don't know if he'll ever be somebody's franchise quarterback. But Ian Book just strikes me as the type of guy who's going to kick

around the NFL for a long time. As like a backup, like a Mason Rudolph type. That's like, maybe you're not excited if he ever has to start for you, but he'll be somebody's backup for a long time. He just strikes me as that kind of guy. I feel that way about Sam Ellinger, Obviously, I don't. I don't feel that way about Ellinger at all. I'm not convinced he can play quarterback at at the next level. See I think he could well. And the fun thing about this is both of those guys are going to be at

the Senior Bowl. There's six executed quarterback invites at the Senior Bowl. Phelippe Franks from Arkansas Ian book from Notre Dame, Sam Ellinger from Texas Texas A and M's Kellen Mond, who I'm excited to kind of scout a little bit more up close. Jamie Newman, who was a Georgia transfer it to Wake Forest and he opted out of the twenty season. And then Kyle Trask, who of course was a Heisman finalist. Those are the six quarterbacks. Real quick, Dane,

what do you what do you think about Trask? Because I thought it was crazy that people were trying to peg him as a first round pick. I know, I know he had a great season, but like I never even before Florida has started losing, I never thought he was like a Heisman caliber quarterback. But if you draft him in the third or I don't know, maybe the fourth round, like you probably feel pretty good about that. Right, he is a Mason Rudolph clone. To me, I think

he is. He is Mason Rudolph. He is a sturdy, well built passer who has a good arm, not an elite arm, a good arm, but you know there's a lot of His average mobility is something I really worry about. You know, his accuracy is okay, but it can't be described as pinpoint the you know, if he doesn't use proper mechanics, his ball just lose his life and just drags. So I think Kyle Trask is a well built, a

smart and tough competitor. He has natural touch as a passer, but the inconsistent mechanics, the below average mobile that just puts a cap on his ceiling as an NFL passer. So I see a Mason Rudolph and that's meant to be both a good and bad thing. So now we've got to we out of everything we've talked about today, we do know for certain we're fifty percent chance from the Senior Bowl quarterbacks of finding Mason Rudolph. Thank goodness, We've got three guys that could potentially get to that

point and find a Mason Rudolph. Now, Katie, I've got a question for you. This comes from JR. Young and he asked, what is the number one position of need for the Cowboys? And I know you kind of talked about the run defense and we've talked about corner and stuff, But if you had to pinpointed number one on the board, which would it be for the Cowboys going into this offseason? I just I think you have to cover. You have

to cover, So cornerback would be where I'm at. And if Anthony Brown can be my cornerback flour next year, I'm happy. That's what I want, you know, So cornerback. I know people have been, you know, wanting to say forever. I want to add to safety as well. Um, but you know, I think I think defensive tackle. You look at yourself and you go, is Tristan Hill as a starting defensive tackle for me next year? And then who Antoine Woods? Let me do that again? Great guy. Want

him on my roster? Do I want my starters to be Antoine Woods and and Tristan Hill? You know, I know a free agency maybe there's talk of maybe they bring back Gerald McCoy if they can. But a defensive tackle is a problem. This team has shown they can't stop the run. Um that it's it's quarterbacking defensive tackle for me, and it's it's very clear. And you know what, I'll put linebacker at three there if they do what they probably should do post June one, cut Jalen Smith

and kind of start over there as well. And building block being a building block around a Layton vander esh So quarterbacking dteam. Man, I like it. I think that's that's where the Cowboys need to start day. Do you agree?

I definitely. I mean I think it's cornerback and then you fill in the rest however you want, honestly, and that I mean again this conversational change, because even though the Cowboys don't love to spend in free agency, they're still I mean, they're gonna you know, they add free agents every year. They will this year too. I don't feel like I'm in love with my options at safety. Maybe I just haven't dug into that position enough yet.

But this they you know, they need at least one starting caliber cornerback out of this draft class in my opinion, which is like I mean, if I had to guess right now, I just think it makes way too much sense for that number ten overall pick to be one of those cornerbacks. So yeah, no, I agree, And then I mean, you can fill in the rest however you want. I I agree with everything Katie said. It just depends on how they want to play it. Like will Jalen

Smith be part of their plans? I have no idea. Yeah, it is it crazy on my side to think that defensive tackle is more of a specific need. I'm not saying draft one at ten. I think corner has to be the pick at ten or at least somebody that's going to be a starter, game changer type of talent, and I don't think there's a defensive tackle at ten that could do that. But just in the fact of the run game, I mean, the corners weren't the fact that you couldn't stop the run. It was your defensive

tackles and it was your linebackers. So for some reason, I put in terms of needs and just based on the Cowboys, not not even looking at the draft class, I would put defensive tackle just slightly above corner because I think, like Katsy said earlier, you feel good about Treyvon Diggs, you feel good about Anthony Brown being a guy that you could bring back and be a starter. But is it crazy for me to put defensive tackle in front of corner, even though I know Corner's probably

the more likely and more logical first round pick. I don't think. I don't think it's crazy. I think the answer to the answer to the question is defense. That's true. I think I could make a really strong argument for every single position on defense. I mean, I think that there is not a clear cut answer here. I mean, I agree with you, you could make a case that it's defensive tackle, but I think I can also make

a really strong case as linebacker. And you know it, there's there's so many And that's why I don't think, you know, fans should be too upset about which direction they go here because they need help everywhere and it's not just a plug in play and okay, now we're gonna be a top ten defense. They need help everywhere, and maybe free agency will kind of tip their hand a little bit. I like it. I mean, we're gonna fix this team by the time we're done with this,

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at your office and it looks really nice. I like it back there. iHeartRadio. I'll say it anyways. Who cares the iHeartRadio studios. Now, we do have a championship game to preview, gentlemen, and I think this is exciting one because I think it's going to be a pretty darn good game. And secondly, there are a lot of draft prospects that people are going to get a firsthand opportunity to watch and do it up against great competition. And if we look back, let's just look at last year,

specifically with LSU and Clemson. I know that's good memories for our friend mister David Helman over here because of LSU season here in twenty twenty. Not to bring bad memories into the freight here, but you know, there were what there was like twenty one drafted players or something. It was like a crazy number of drafted players, a lot of them some legitimate players in this upcoming championship game that the Cowboys could find a way to do later on, Dane, Yeah, here, let Dave, let me ask

you a question. How many over the last five years, how many draft picks do you think Alabama and Ohio State have combined to produce what would be your total throw total? Yeah, a lot between But Jane, just those two programs the last five years, what would you God, so they're probably averaging like six per program, averaging um between so six per program over five years. So and so I mean probably about sixty five if I had

to guess, you're saying first rounders. No, no, just total draft picks one holy so, oh my gosh, hold the hell out of that. Okay, well, it's by far the most, the two most or the two programs that have produced the most LSU by the way, number three. Um, so it's look, it's gonna be the same on Monday night, It's gonna be you know, we don't know what the draft process is gonna look like. So for a lot

of these guys, the combine it starts Monday night. You know, it's time to show what what's gonna you know, in all NFL ees gonna be glued on this game. Um. You know, for say Chris o Lava, you know, how are you going to match up against Patrick's or Tan or Josh Joe? Uh, if you're Wyatt Davis or Josh Myers Ohio State right guard and center, how are you going to match up against Chris Barmore? And Christian Barmore is a chance to really help himself in this game.

We've seen it in the past from these Alabama defensive tackles Marcel Darius to Ron Payne. These guys have emerged from the playoffs as legit top fifteen type of you know, we knew they were talented, but they really emerged as the top half of Round one guys. Christian Barmore could do the same thing. This draft is just dying for a defensive tackle to say, hey, take me in the top twenty. Barmore could be that guy this year with

another strong performance. He's really heating up. So I mean, we could go on and on about all the players in this game because it's never ending. For me though, Justin Fields, I cannot wait to see how he performs after what he did against Clemson, the best game of his life, and it just it was so contrary to what we've seen earlier this year. You know, when he faced tough defenses during the regular season, whether it's Indiana, Northwestern, even the Michigan State gave him a little bit of

a trouble. He struggled a little bit in those games. But against Clemson he was locked in. He was precise the toughness. I don't know if I could use any words to really, uh, you know, describe how tough he

was in that game. How is he going to match up against an Alabama defense that is better than Clemson's and knowing that, you know, with all due respect to the Ohio State secondary, Alabama is going to put up points and so it's gonna be up to Justin Fields and that offense to continue to tack on and match point point per point. The over under is crazy on this game. It's like what in the mid seventies, So you know, they're they're they're expecting a lot of points

and I don't I don't think they're wrong. I mean it's like a it's a like a big twelve type of line for the National title game against Alabama and Ohio State, which is just crazy. But uh, there's no shortage of players in this drag and in this game that scouts to be glued glued on and I think justin fields. Uh, you know, he's kind of leading that, but it doesn't stop there. I mean, Trey Sermon with what he's done at running back the last few games

has been remarkable. Former Oklahoma transfer on the Alabama side, you know, really eager to see what you know on the offensive line, Leatherwood and Deonte Brown, what can they do? Sean Waite, can he do anything? Ohio State corner? Can he do anything to kind of keep his head above water as an outside corner against DeVante Smith and maybe Jalen Waddle. We'll see if he plays. So you know,

we can go on and on. There's just so many future NFL players on the State on this big stage that NFL teams are going to be really really interested to watch and see how they perform, because, let's be honest, body of work matters, but if you give an NFL scout truth serum, they'll tell you how they perform on the big stage. That carries a little bit more weight. And so it's really going to be important for these players to step up and show out when it matters

the most. And we talked, or you mentioned a second ago about Jaylen Waddle and how he can potentially come back the wide receiver from Alabama could play this week, and what would that do for his draft shot? Excuse me draft stock and DeVante Smith's draft stock, because I mean DeVante Smith whenever he's the featured piece, even of course went off and won a Heisman. But I mean some would argue that Jaylen Waddle was the more impressive player,

at least from an NFL prospect level early on. Is that something that potentially could see shift a little bit depending on how Waddle plays in the championship game. I don't know, I'd be surprised, just because if Waddle can even play, I think he'll be on a pitch count. You know, we might only see him play ten fifteen snaps, So you know, I don't know that here's necessarily anything he can do in this game that's going to change your opinion based off of what we already know right now.

I think it just really comes down to what you're looking for at the receiver position. If you know DeVante Smith, he's you know, obviously extremely talented. But if you have concerns about that body holding up, that's, you know, nothing Jaylen Wattle it can do is going to kind of change that or alter that. With Jalen Waddle, He's not as polished as as DeVante Smith, but I think he's a little more polished than say Henry Ruggs last year,

who was the first receiver drafted. So both these guys are studs and I think are gonna be future top twelve picks. You can and I think of that one thing that I'm really excited to watch and Dan you mentioned his name of a minute ago, but I feel like we haven't talked about him much, And part of it is because he hasn't declared. Joe the cornerback from Alabama on the other side of Sir Tan like a

big game. Maybe he's like, Okay, well, now I can just go ahead and declare because I mean when I watched him on tape, he is definitely a top ten corner for me. If he's going to be in the draft. What are your thoughts on job and he's number twenty eight by the way, for those watching the game on Monday night, what are your thoughts on Joe? Well, yeah, he's big, he's physical. He's not the type of athlete where he's just going to be able to quickly recall. Ever,

uh you know if he's caught out of position. He's not that twitchy athlete. But he's big and he's physical, and he does a really nice job being disruptive and so I you know, it's tough because when you stack these corners, um, you know Joe, Yeah, he's right there in that mix. But you know he's he's on the same in the same tier as say like an Elijah Molden or uh maybe a Greg Newsome or a Melofawn wu. Uh. So yeah, this is a chance because we know that

Ohio State, you know Crystal Lava. I think he has there's a lot to gain for him, and but it doesn't stop there. They've got Garrett Wilson and a few other guys. So if Ohio State says we're just not gonna throw at certain, We're gonna throw at Josh Job, Okay, well that's gonna be interesting to see if it's a lava or if it's Garrett Wilson. Uh, he's going to be tested. And so this is definitely a game that

you know, will affect where he is ultimately drafted. If he decides to come out, I just want to throw and Dane Dane mentioned him, but like, um, Christian Barmore jumped off the screen in the semi final. And when you think you know the caliber of offensive lineman that Notre Dame puts out like that means something to me for sure. So he he's definitely on my radar. And you know, we Dane set it up perfectly like that. You know, there's not a Derek Brown or a Javon

Kinlaw in this class. So if Christian Barmore can jump out, and you know, I would love it if he's there at forty four, but maybe he can even play better than that and and go in the first round. And then I mean, I love I love a good trash talk and Sean Wade put himself on the radar this morning because he said he wants all he wants all of Davante Smith. And with what I'm gonna say, with with all due respect to him, I think he's living on his school's reputation a little bit more than his

actual production. So be careful what you wish for, buddy. Give him credit for the confidence, you know. I mean that's as a corner. You got to play confident. You gotta be confident even when the season has not gone well, and there's been more negative than positive from Sean Wade this year. But I mean the Ohio State needs him to step up, and you know, maybe he'll surprise as

all We'll say that would be interesting. But you talk about potentially having so many points in the over under at seventy four and a half, and I mean there's so many different offensive talented players, But does that scare you a little bit on these defensive guys. I mean on both sides, on Alabama side and on Ohio State side. The fact that there is going to be a ton of points you are going to see both of these

offense have at least some sort of success. Is that just a show that these offensive prospects are a little bit better than maybe the defensive ones. Yeah, I mean that, and that's just where the game is at. I mean, we've seen more points scored this year in the NFL than ever before. You know, it's just it's just gonna be the trend. So you know, it will be interesting though because Alabama. We've seen Alabama his defense. Uh you know, see what Florida did against them in the SEC title game.

Go back to the Old Miss game and they put up a ton of points against this Alabama defense. Uh, there's there's there's certainly talent, but it's not maybe the Alabama defense that we've seen over the years that Nick Saban has put together. It doesn't mean they're without talent. They have the talent, but as a unit, Uh, there's some question marks. Um, you know, I'm I'm really eager. And you know, going back to Christian Barmore, he's only

a richer sophomore, so he's still very young. He's only he only has like four starts this year, but he leads the team in sacks with seven, he leads the team and forced fumbles with three. He's heating up at the right moment, and he's going up against maybe the top two interior offensive lineman in this draft, with Why Davis right guard and Josh Meyers at center. And so that's going to be a really interesting part of this

because part of you know, justin fields. Understandably h got all the headlines after that Ohio State Clemson game, but Ohio State won the trenches and that was really kind of the difference in that game on both sides of the ball. Their defensive line tore up that clumpson offensive line, and they won't be able to necessarily do that to Alabama's offensive line, especially or even with Lannon Dickerson out

their center, who's outstanding. You know they'll be missing him, but even with him out, it still won't be that way. And then on the other side, that Alabama defense, that front seven, they'll give Ohio State's offensive line a little more trouble than clumps into it. Yeah, Barmore's tape, the second half of his tape of this year is a water burger. The first half of this season Barnmore's tape

is your friend who can't cook's burger from the grill. So, like you know, a since first round tape, on the back half, Dana, I do want to want you to talk about two guys. Alabama and Ohio State have two guys at linebacker, and that's a position we might be needing here. Dylan Moses, who had first round ceiling last year and then blew out his knee and hasn't looked the same. And then Browning from Ohio State. You know, those are two guys Cowboys. Vin's gotta keep an eye

on Monday night. Definitely definite. And I would probably I would even throw Pete Warner in their Ohio State linebacker because he's just he's so dang versatile that you know, you can you can use him in so many different ways. He can, you know, play any of the linebacker positions, the coaches have said, because he's he's so smart and he's so athletic that they can pile as much as they want on his tape or on his plate, and that shows on tape. So Pete Warner, I thinks in

that discussion as well. But yeah, Barret Browning, he's got all the traits. He always has. Texas kid who four or five star? What's that worth kid? He went to Kenady, Yeah, exactly, and so He's always had the talent, it's just kind of the mental part catching up, and he still needs to anticipate a little bit better. But he has gotten better and better every year. He could play man coverage. So watching him going up against Nagy Harris, who we know is an excellent pass catcher out of the back,

that will be an awesome matchup to watch. And then you know with Dylan Moses, you know he as a as a what a sophomore, he looked like a future top ten pick, explosive athlete, just kept making plays. Then he had the knee injury, and this year he just has not looked the same, like Hayt said, And you know, whether it's him struggling the hold or to hang with Kyle Pitts, which you know nobody really can, or if he's just you know, taking wrong angles to the football.

He is is still in that top fifty discussion, but he just doesn't look like the same player. And so going up against Trey Sermon, who I mean Trey Sermon, who is putting together one of the best three four game stretches we've seen a running back in a long time, and he's averaging nine point one yards per carry the last three games. What can he do against Dylan Moses and at Alabama defensive front that that'll be another major storyline, not only for the outcome of this game, but also

for NFL scouts. So there's your homework assignment, ladies and gentlemen. Is watched these linebackers in the National Championship Game, number thirty two, Dylan Moses for Alabama and then Baron Browning number five, the linebacker for Ohio State, who, like we said a moment ago, I also like his size going up against Najay Harris Danny because I mean six three, two forty he looks the part of a bruiser linebacker

and I long too. Yeah he is. He's got some long arms, and I think he's got somebody or he is somebody that could slow down Naja Harris and his size, I think that's gonna be a fantastic matchup. But that's gonna do it for us here on the Draft Show today.

We will be back on Tuesday as Dave Hellman will rejoin Brian brought Us and Bucky Brooks for that show, and then Katie and Dane will be back with Jeff Cavanaugh on Thursday pending changes last minute like we had this week, but we'll switch it around and we'll have some of the best draft coverage you can find onto internet whenever it comes to the twenty twenty one class.

But for Dame Brugwood, for day Helman, for Katie, and for Chris Bean back in the studios, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long, thanks for joining us here on the Draft Show.