Draft Show: Final Thoughts & Predictions

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to it. I see that David Hellman is already enjoying the Miller Light. That's if I get to drink an ice called Miller Light and call it part of my job. Let me tell you what you're kidding, man, I tell you what. That's part of the draft right there. Those two are very good partners. So again, really excited about being here and uh and the Draft show being on the road. Uh, we've we've done a lot from the studios and Senior Bowls and you know, all kinds of

thing combines. But it's good to be here. As the big voice guy said, we have David Hellman with us, who's always and then but sitting in for Dane Brugler today and again thoughts and prayers with Dan Brugler and his family. He is his grandmother passed away. He'll be back tonight and be with us for draft coverage for the weekend. But our good scouting buddy are my good scouting buddy, David Helman's good scouting buddy. Two Jeff Kavanaugh

sitting in Welcome, Welcome, my friends. Sixth of the year. Oh you know which, what's even better about at might be the sixth man? What's even seventh? What's even better about you? As you're actually a Miller Lite spokesman. Yes I am, which makes a shirt on. I'm gonna have three over the course of these two hours it's gonna be great. Yeah, And that's always fun to sit here and talk draft with you, and so thank you so much for sitting in again. Thoughts and prayers with Dame

Brugler as we um as we go forward here. I'm always excited to work with Dave and somewhat excited to work with you. I know it's because you're tired of me. You're tired of me yelling at you is actually what the problem is with it. I'm nice. I'm nice to Jeff. Yeah, you are, You're very nice. Nice sir. All right, let's dive into this thing. You know, we had Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett talking today to the media about some things. I don't know if we got

very much out of that. And you know, Stephen Jones, Dave, I think you were talking about I'll direct my questions to Stephen Jones, and if I want answers about the draft, that's who I'm going to. Just that's that's the reality of the modern situation. But Jerry might slip Yeah, that's what Steven's not gonna slip on you. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you a slip on Jerry then today and it's gonna marve you. One of my questions about the bomb slip. No, that was really a nice job at

the station three. Your boys kind of got that one taking car button. We had the dumb but but let me ask you this, Okay, Well, I'm gonna ask you some questions kind of what we learned about today, you know this talking or listening to Jerry Jones talk about the draft and Stephen Jones. And this is a question I have for you to start this thing off. Okay, do the cowboys like Vitavea more than they like Calvin Ridley or DJ Moore? He took that right out of

my Twitter lineup, which I think that was it? Okay, was that surprising to start out with? I mean the love that Jerry, but he obviously didn't say him by name, but man, if he wasn't he was talking to Vita, he had to have been right. And heaved the defensive tackle from the University of Washington, right, I mean the

ballerina truck. That's that's a ballerina truck. I like that. Yeah, it's a good I mean, Jerry, Jerry will slip up on you and give you a little more information than maybe you were looking for, which that totally happen and you kind of sit up and you're like, whoah, yeah, hey, and how about that round? Everybody a doubt at the at the Star though, when immediately they're talking about tackle where they show the clips or TV guys all putting

up Vita vea cliss like that. I'm gonna go back to what I've been saying since January, which is that I'll believe it when I see it. What do you think about that? He's he thinks to quick name the last defensive tackle the Cowboys drafted in the first round. You can, actually you can go ahead and name him. Well, if it happened in nineteen ninety one, it was Russell mary Russell Maryland nineteen nine when I was an infant. Yeah, you can ask when's the last time they took a

one technique in the first six rounds? That's a good you want to go a decade and a half to find it. They just don't pick them. But do they see this guy differently? Though? They might? And if I'm not I'm not I think they probably do too. Yeah, you watch the dude's tape and he just throws people around like he can watch the Stanford game and they just Stephen Jones. Actually he contributed to that, and he was like, focus on pressure and I mean you watch

VTA like that dude can pressure a quarterback. So I'm not saying it's impossible. In fact, I think it's somewhat. I don't want to say likely. But if you're making a short list of possibilities, I think Vita veay and needs to be on it. But like I just I gotta see it to believe it. I can't. I can't just say that he's going to be the pick because there's twenty five years of history that say he's not. Let me attack it this way by asking more questions,

because that's what we end up doing, right. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. So when I've kicked this around and tried to create what I think is the perfect Cowboys draft, a lot of times I'm actually settling on an offensive lineman at nineteen because if you have to today, if you have to split hairs between Calvin Ridley and Dj Moore, and when you're talking about the wide receivers, we also really like a few other guys, whether it's Courtland Sutton, at SMU, Anthony Miller at Memphis, Michael Gallup,

Colorado State, whatever it is, so you might have an opportunity to pick them again. Yeah, at nineteen, whichever offensive lineman I want, I'm not going to have another shot at somebody like that. At fifty, I don't think is vta vel like that? Are you going to have another chance? You'll have another chance to take a nose that can help you, But will you get anything like that? If you don't take him, you're not There're not gonna get a guy like Vita anywhere else, even if you get

a defensive tackle. So does that make the case for Vita over a receiver that you're not gonna he's gone? That I kind of guy's gone. I think you can substitute linebacker and you're having the same conversation what I don't like about linebacker, And we'll I'm sure we'll talk about this a lot. I don't like my choices. Yeah, I like my choices at receiver. I like my choices on O line. I like my choices at a lot

of places. I don't like my choices at linebacker. Actually, you have not come off that, Oh, lineman, you and KT and have not come on. I think when you get there, if James Daniels is on the board, the Iowa center slash guard and we'll get in, you get a mock draft. Yeah right, If right into that, If Isaiah Winn is there, the Georgia left tackle that can play guard and has played guard, they'll probably be the best player on my board. Yea, Rashaun Evans or Layton

Vanderesh won't be my number one player at nineteen. That's what I don't like. Yeah, no, I hear you. But that's the position and we know that need plays a bigger role than in people want to admit. Yes, it's just but's where if if you feel like their stack, if you had to look at their stack, if you had to guess their stack, how would you think they have it? Is Vita Vea over more Ridley, even Vanderish. I have a hard time seeing it because he's a nose and I do think he's more than a nose,

and I think they do too. And I'm glad you phrased it that way because that's the point, Like I think they put him on the short list. I can't, I just I can't go all the way there thinking he would be like their number one guy. Again, when there's twenty five years of experience with this ownership that says that that's not how they roll. Yeah, but they remember a time and they didn't take offensive tackles either. Yeah, and all of a sudden they're drafting tackles or drafting

guards or drafted centers. You know. I mean, maybe this is maybe it's just a thing that kind of helps them with the mic linebacker problems that they might have. I mean, and I feel like I need to repeat that I've said it before. Oh you have. But like people think I don't like Vita Vea because I just keep saying no, I don't. No, it's it's not that I don't like them, is that I don't think they'll draft him. But I think that's a good point. I

think he helps your linebackers, he helps your defensive line. Like, I think it would be a great pick. I just can't convince myself that they would do it. Small move up remembered Stephen Jones was talking about up for James never drafted in the first round before. That would be that would be fun. He's a visit. He is so

big dude. By that I mean, obviously, who who do have a better shot of trading up for They have a better shot at him or James Derwin, Derwin James, Vita vey or Derwin James a better shot in terms of who is a realistic option or who would they do it for realistic option. It's way more realistic that Vida Veya falls into that range than Derwin James. That's that's kind of what we saw yesterday. I'm not buying the Draft week smoke that he's falling, by the way

like he's gonna be on. He's a top ten. Come. The guys have talked to you around the league, guys have talked to in scouts, not just I'm not talking about talking to there's guys around, guys and out talking about real real general Andrew guy. People around the league think Baker Mayfield's going number one to Cleveland too. I don't watching. I don't buy it. Oh, Jeff would love that. Why you hate Don Baker? Do you know who has the highest rated college season of all? Why are you

trying to Who do you think it is? Who do you think it is? Probably Baker? Whose second? Baker may both Bankers? Yeah? I don't care. So yeah, all the sooner faithful in the crowd. Here, I'll all right, here we go. My next question for you guys, and again, so you're saying that to answer the question that think not higher than the receivers on the Davey and needs to be on your radar. But I cannot convince myself that they'll pick him and wiped out. Vander Esh is gone. Vanderesh,

he's gone. Vanderesh and Evans are both going to be gone. Because fours aren't going on the top eighteen, then they won't be wiped out. Yeah, I I I will happen. I'll be there with you if oh no, you're gonna die on that hill with me. If he's the pick, I will eat all of the crow. I'll eat it all. Yeah, it'll look like an episode address. It'll behind Jeff Crowe

goes good with Miller's it's a good point. My next question is, yeah, it goes excellent millerlete by the way, Okay, what projected first round pick makes you the most nervous Layton Vanderesh or Courtland Sudden guy is good questions? I'll well, I'll yes, no, Courtland Sutton, Courtland, Courtland Sutton because he strikes me, is this guy knows receivers. Now, I'm interested to see what he says. He strikes me as a problem.

He's getting ready. Hey, how about how about the conversation going back to the press conference today that the Jones and Jason Garrett had about are you drafting the receiver who can help you the most on September ninth at Carolina or are you drafting the guy that's going to be a stud in four or five years? Sure? And I think it's interesting that they said four to five years because they're talking about first round picks, and so I'm sitting there thinking like they're talking about more Slash

Ridley verse Courtland Sutton. I think Vanderesh helps you more on day one. Yes, it's especially here, I think because you're starting middle linebacker. Do you agree with me that Vander has a higher floor because I mean, no, you don't think so. No, I don't love him, But what if what I love him? What if Courtland Sutton is when he gets drafted, you're gonna be the one that gets blamed. Now, this is a double bust factor. Vanderesh has a Bobby Carpenter bus factor, has a treadwell bust factor.

They've got it. You can't just throw that name around, Carrol can It's a two hundred and fifty pound guy that measured as an incredible athlete that when we watched him play, we thought he was lighting the butt and wasn't a physical player. I'll tell you what. He makes some points about the take on stuff. I mean, everybody goes, oh, go watch the Organ tape, and I'm like, Organ's not blocking him. Crosby's blocking somebody else and not blocking vander Esh,

you know, and Vanderesh is make it play. Now, you got to give him credit for that. He's making play. I think it's a great comparison because they both scare me in the same way. And that Courtland Sutton you watch him play in the fifty fifty ball. Yeah, the I'm not talking straight line speed, but the quickness and the agility for a guy of his size, it's awesome. Courtland Sutton ceiling is holy cowhigh. It's super high. No, you're not wrong, but he's to me, he's not ready

coming from that offense. It was so screen or fly and you're expecting vander Ish to play now he has to and Courtland Sutton you're kind of like everybody's gonna go Okay, it's kind of like Taco last year. Yeah, week nine, when's it gonna start playing? When's you gotta you know, when's that gonna happen? Sutton has gone for him, as Jerry said at the press conference today, that they don't feel like they have the X to replace Dez. So we don't feel like we have that X to

replace Des. Courtland Sutton is your prototype X over under twenty five catches for Courtland Sutton if he gets drafted nineteenth overall over, you're going over. Yeah, I'd go over thirty five. If you take him at nineteen, you gotta get him out there, do you? I think maybe half not maybe not for one hundred percent of the snaps, but fifty sixty. I just I don't want it. No projects hashtag no projects in twenty eight even then, don't pick vander Esh So you feel feel you feel worse

about Vanderish than you do. Said, I would have him both if I made a time fifty like you did. Yeah, they'd probably both be in the forties for me. Okay, So they're like it's close. They're both guys that if they're on my team. I'm excited about how good they can potentially be. Yeah, but I'm also nervous about the things that I don't love about them. Tough choice, Hunt, It is a tough choice. I see your next question too, and that's a tough Let me ask you a question.

We did this yesterday. Kat was with us on the draft show. I hope you had a chance to go back and watch us. We did the mock draft for the Cowboys. We didn't make a move, Helm and Kat and I decided to stay at fifty and not go to go to Indianapolis at thirty seven, thirty seven, thirty six, thirty seven, they got back to back picks. Yeah, so we just we waited on it. What were you going to thirty seven four? The Portland Sutton? We were trying to pick the Cowboys. We were doing the Cowboys stuff.

We were trying to get the thirty seven to get to get that player. It would have cost us eighty one to do it on the trip. What we we We We got band of band late, We got your boy. Yeah, that's I'm saying. So we're gonna get vander Esh and Sutton and not have a Yeah? Yeah, how do you feel about that. Yeah, I love it. I love it so much. It could be too much. But should we have gone by sitting there? We ended up with Anthony Miller?

Oh you did better sitting there? Okay? And we went all the way down though, and if we'd waited a little bit further, James Washington went like a ninety two ninety six somewhere right around there to Pittsburgh. Is that I don't love Washington, but at eighty one, I'm very interested in Washington. Um. I think the key here is you're saying for them, like, what would they do? Right? Because I think they would obviously probably prefer Cortland Sutton

over Anthony Miller. We wouldn't, I wouldn't. Do you think he's there at fifty then Miller? Sutton? No, No, I think he's probably one of the top three receivers off the board. Okay, So all of a sudden, here we go, get ready, that's that there there, and they're gonna start running in the second which, well, see what we swin our mock draft though the way we did it, the way it played out, more corners went than receivers. We

were kind of thinking. I was thinking, I know, I was I was thinking more about, Okay, there were gonna be more corners, us gonna be more receiver. Let's go in the top of the drafted being corners that were going off the bat butt. You have seven corners in the first two rounds something like that. Yeah, somewhere around seven wide receiver probably six or seven. Yeah, they're gonna go. Yeah, they're gonna go. Just the way it fell, it was kind of like, man, we've been set, but we got Miller,

and I don't think we're I'm not against Miller. No, he's my top guy in the second round when it comes to wide receivers. I just he's he's a big wild card because I don't know how the Cowboys feel about him. I got you, here's my obligatory. Michael Gallop mentioned Michael talk about Michael Gallop then a little bit. Well, he's not a Cowboy visitor. I haven't seen that they

have any super interest in him. But I haven't even and Colorado State full sized receiver talking about six, one, two, five to ten physical which out runner got a little bit of everything. Josh Allen threw him a ball in the Senior Bowl. Beautiful. This I think this is an important thing to note because we make such a big deal out of the thirty visitors and the guys they work. Yeah, I do make a lot of and we should. It's gonna be their first pick. We should the first one.

Their first round pick is always a visitor. Guys that that visit are always guys that are in their sights. Sure, but hey, we had a conversation with Ryan Switzer, like just the other day, didn't We're like, great work in the Star, you have lunch with the play Yeah, We're like, hey, what type of like what Fortnite with? Did you realize?

How did that go? We had a decent he didn't have a headset, he didn't have a MIC six what We were like, hey, like, what what type of contact did you have with the Cowboys before they drafted you? He was like, uh, I talked to Bessaccio once for like ten minutes. Like, so the draft is completely unpredictable and the odds are that you're going to have to go away from your game plan. So we don't know anything about if the Cowboys are interested in Anthony Miller

or Michael Gallup. But Gallop at fifty, what do you say? I'm just because they didn't visit the Star and didn't you know, aren't linked to the Cowboys. That doesn't mean anything. We know it's a pretty good roadmap for what they're going to do in the first round, but everything after that is on the table as far as I'm concerned. And you know, in twenty eighteen NFL teams are turning over every stone. So I don't think you should let

that write you off, basically is what I'm saying. So, I mean, you just gotta see how the board falls. Get the Draft show. We're here at at Henry's Tavern on the corner of Bishop and Legacy. Draft Show brought you by Miller Light. Again. We're enjoying the Miller Lights and you should too. So my third questions for a third question for you guys is who has a better rookie season? Dallas Goder or Hayden Hurst. I'll take Hurst. Those are the two tight ends. Dallas Goder from South

Dakota State and Hayden Hurst South Carolina. Hurst is an old man. Old men have advantages coming into the NFL. What does he twenty five or so. Hayden Hurst was a college baseball players. People are asking me about that by the way, about the yea get too, well, It's interesting, isn't it. They're like, Okay, do you worry about him not being able to catch the ball? Right? Does he get the yips about catching the foot? Why are we talking about tight ends? I just thought I just wanted

to know. Why wouldn't we talk? I just want to I just know we don't talk about tight ends enough, But I want to know. Who do you think is gonna have the better pro career? What did Stephen Jones say about tight ends? You got Jason Witten? I said, I'm just talking about the PoTA guys on this team. Enough credit. Hey, this folk, this, this this draft shows all about I'm trying. I'm trying to do this job.

Right here. The gentleman answer the question, he said he thought that, Uh, I'd take Hurst just because I think when you're looking at sneaky well and you're looking at South Dakota State versus South Carolina worked real well in that quarterback they went to Philly, right, I think, But so you get God, you're getting your Dakota's mixed up? Right? No, I know it's North Dakota State, but I'm just saying, yeah, So God, He makes your highlight reel catches. He makes

some really freaky catches. He can do some awesome things on a football field. But Hayden Hurst, I feel like it's a more competitive blocker. He's a more well rounded player,

and he's a more ready player. Yeah, so Goddard might have the better career, he might end up having seasons whereas a thousand yards, But I would feel better about putting Hayden Hurst on the field for every Evan Ingram who has a I mean tight ends a tough position to break out as a rookie, right, So yeah, I go Hurst, and I yeah, I feel pretty good about I feel I feel good about Hurst too. He's my

top rated tight end. If you put if you put Goddard in New Orleans and you're just like, all you gotta do is line up wide and run down the field, then he might be pretty sweet. But even like Jimmy Graham, didn't have a great rookie year in New Orleans, I don't know, and off the top of my head at least, I mean, I think it took him a little while at least. So yeah, but it's it's funny how these

tight ends are coming into the league and playing. You know, they're figuring out the offensive coordinators are figuring out ways to get them involved. That's why you worry about something about this place a little bit. I've got the second round tight end and all of a sudden is ended up with somebody else just catching Witten's not playing five more. No, whoever the next tight end they take, he's gonna get to play. Yeah, at some point one of these days. Now,

Goddard at thirty two? Does that worry you? If Philly has zach Ertz out there and Goddard's the other guy replacing who did they watch? What's his name? Uh? Sellec No? Did he leave Burt Trey Burton. If he becomes that extra tight end, I think that's a lot of fun. I worry about them taking guys. I worry about them taking more. Worried about Philly drafting about Ronald Jones and Philly like that scares me. YEA not a tight end. Whatever,

I'm with you on that. Okay, here we go. Choose a quarterback out of Mike White, Kyle Loletta, and Mason Rudolph Loletta Rudolph, Yeah, or you're dying on that island that's hey, where are we Where are we talking about? Right? The first day? Picked out of those you just said, you just said Mike White and Loletta, So you're talking day two. Yeah, Well I'm not. I'm not drafting Mason Rudolph in the first No, you're just saying. I'm just saying,

choose a quarterback. Choose a quarterback out of those guys, I'll take Rudolph. It's I mean, it's kind of it's it's like Josh Allen. You know, I hate the idea of drafting Josh Allen in the top five, but like I'll draft him in the first round and take a chance that he develops. It's the same thing with Rudolf. He's got the tools to be a badass. That Oklahoma State offense scares me so much. And that's why we love James Washington so much. Right, and Rudolf looks and

somebody's wide opening throws it to him. Somebody asked me yesterday, goes. Does does James White run a James Washington run a route other than a go? Someone asked me that last time screens too, So yeah, no good players ever come out of that Oklahoma State offense. Certainly not the all time. Certainly not the all time Cowboys touchdown later, definitely not so No, no, I'm just saying so, but you're you're okay, Mason Rudolf of you right, not in the first round,

by like, no, no, I'm just saying it. Take a quarterback that's not named those three Rudolf. Yeah, I think if you're taking a non prototype, I would take a chance. If I'm a quarterback needy team and I'm and I'm one of the teams that misses out there at the top, because there's gonna be seven teams fighting for four or five quarterbacks if I miss out. I like Kyle Loletto a lot. If you put him with a coach who recognizes his biggest limitation and just we're not gonna go

in that situation. Yeah. When Kyle Aletta, the Richmond quarterback, tries to throw a fly route, it looks like a punt. Yeah, and it's gonna get intercepted. But everything other than that, everything else, accuracy, poise, He's a good player. That's why I like Mike White. If you don't, he's got better tools. I think Mike White does. If you're you know, if you're the quarterbacks not named going to the Jets or going to Cleveland. You know, give me the give me guy.

I just think that White's got a lot to his game. I love his size, the arm, talent. You know, there's something about him, the accuracy with him. I think he's just a he's mobile. I just I think somebody's gonna get a Really, you know, we've in the past, we've seen these guys like the hack and Bergs, the Petties, these Cooks, these guys have all gone and they just really haven't done anything. I don't know these guys. One

of those is gonna make it, make it. One of those is gonna make make it me, make it be a useful starter. Really, one of those is gonna make it okay. One of those three is gonna make it okay. There's Kirk Cousins is in there somewhere. He said, how do you like that the highest paid quarterback in the league fourth round pick till the next quarterback means to get paid. You're just saying, still, yeah, I think one of them is gonna make it. I believe that. And

I don't think it's Rudolph. Rudolf scares me when it's not on time in that offense where things are wide open, it gets real strange on him. It gets real strange that Sam Darnold too hard to evaluate. Yeah, Darnold can save you, though now he'll bury you. But you can also say he will bury you for sure. Okay, here's my other question for you boys. And by the way, again once again, we are the Draft Show presented by

Miller Lte. Yeah, come out to Henry's and Henry's tavern. Yeah, come on, we got we'll be here for you know that we're kind of blowing through some time right now. We're here for ninety nice cold Miller Lte and then enjoy that and hang out with some draft coverage with us in conversation. This is my question for you boys. If it was me, I'd play Mika Fitzpatrick at corner safety? What what? What? What tape did you watch? Go away? He can do He can do everything, right, I mean,

oh no, he can do it. I think you do it. I think he can do I think that's the problem with people right now. They don't know where to put him if he he's a slot corner now rembo, he's talking about him because I mean he was once a guy that people thought about as a top five player,

and now he's like you'd play you'd play him at corner. Yeah, where do you think he's getting drafted in the top eleven if he was an award if all right, no, then no, If he was that great at corner, then there wouldn't even be a question about this, Like, well he didn't play he played slot corner. You want to just play him at nickel. That's a spot in the NFL. He can do that. Put him, put him in the situation where he's got the best chance to not have

all the pressure on him at least to start. And I know we talked about this with Jalen Ramsey too, like I know, but there I don't think I don't think the debate was as strong, and I don't think there was any doubt that he was going in the top five or six either. Yeah, and like Ramsey was a freakier athlete, I think exactly. And that's this I mean, like Patrick Peterson comes to mind, Like when there's a guy that's that good at outside cornerback, there's no debate,

there's just none. And there's no talk about him fighting either. They make it a little nervously Cowboys, we're gonna play Ramsey at safety. No, I think you'd been great. I think it fits with I say it all the time, like I don't trust these guys to be creative with players. I said it about Tired Matthew before Tired Matthew was even a free agent, and sure they were like, well

he doesn't fit here, Mathai. Either way, I just if it if it requires like a lot of creativity and outside the box thinking, I don't trust this scheme to get it to do it? Nah, I think I think because corner is so valuable, you have to try it at least. Yeah. To Dave's point, can I try it after you let a acclimate to the NFL. No, we're gonna go try to put you at the best spot, the most valuable spot. We're gonna have you cover receivers. But this is gonna go in your favor, which means

I shouldn't say it. I do think one of the differences, I think Mica Fitzpatrick has one of the highest football IQ's in the draft, so I think if you do back him off of the ball, he's not going to be a guy that struggles with that. He's gonna thrive at it. But I would like to see he played slot corner. But I would take Ward over him because I've watched Ward play outside corner, have his back to

the ball, make plays all that stuff. Fitzpatrick's bigger, he can be more physical, but I haven't seen him out there. I just don't know how how to pick a guy that I haven't seen out there. If you're if there's any question at all, then I just don't where are you playing? Which safety? Are you playing him? Out? And today's NFL prime matter is less than ever, but it's still defined for a lot of teams. It's strong, I guess.

I think. So you're picking him in the top ten to play drown safety, Well, I mean that's a felt Derwin James. Where would you play Derwin James? They gotta playment free claimed free myself. But I'd play him everywhere. But I don't want to trade up for him because Xavier Woods is our guy. We're not allowed to jump off that wagon. Safety are definitely allowed to jump off that wagon. We picked him, it's not you're not saying he's a bad player by saying it's a good idea

to get a better player. No, I'd be saying it's a better idea to let him play and have your first two round picks for something else. Okay, that I mean okay, spoken like a member of the Cowboys front office. I mean you know that? Is that a shot fired? No, it's not a shot fired. It's I just I decited to be a GM. I just needed I need a better what's the backup plan? What if he's not good? Who Xavier Woods? Yeah? I know it, Xavier Woods? No, you got excited that they drafted him last spring for

third round grade because he's a good player. What if he's what if he's not good? Jeff Heath is here, he played it last year. Okay, cool? All right? Because but the argument isn't because to me, the argument is more what can I do at nineteen and fifty? Would you rather have Derwin James take Xavier wood spot and leave two spots open that I get to improve? Or would you rather have a left guard, a wide receiver and Xavier Woods? I would rather just fill the hole

that I have the most amount of questions about. So you need the linebacker, linebacker, linebacker, and safety come to mind before left guard. I don't have a left guard here you do. Oh well, you got Marcus Martin and Lyle Collins. Yeah, Lyle Collins is kind of the race in the hole, I believe, Oh, I trust me. I don't want that to happen. Nobody does, and they included want it to happen. I don't want it to happen, but it very well could. So I'm just asking you

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We also were out here because of the fans and people like that. They want to be learned a little bit more about the draft. So we take these questions seriously. Thank you, Ed Kay Hill and it is a little twitter on the twit, Thank you very much. Wow, I got a question, a really timely question. You know, this is our last show before we actually do the draft.

I actually saw Daniel Jeremiah talking about this today. So Zach points out that there's a lot of buzz about Frank Ragnow, oh, that was one of my questions the Arkansas Center. He's a good player. A lot of people tell he's getting first round buzz. Oh, you don't see him that way. No, My last question, is Frank Ragnall really a first round consideration? You tell me that's I mean what I tell you. When you read do you revisit your thoughts on him? Yeah, he's a billy to

billy blocker, is what he does. When you you watch Okay, played guard in the Alabama game, all right, but when you watch him block, if he does not get right up on you, he's got no shot and he is balance is bad. And I just do not see what people are looking at with him. I just don't get it because I see a guy that's all balanced. To see a guy it's on like a one legged football player. I see a guy that's kids yanked throne. But you know, but I trust me he will. He's gonna play twelve

years in this league. And I'm sticking to your guns. Oh no, I'm not. I'm not changing how to draft. People would see the buzz and be like, oh, I'm gonna revisit my grade. Oh no, oh well, I mean I wasn't gonna say it right now. I like him, And it's kind of what hold on. It's kind of for the reasons you're saying that he's just kind of player. You can point out the things where it's like, wow, he doesn't really play with extension, but you can't find

him getting beat. But it's like he if he if he does not get up on you and hold And it's funny guys trying to like redirect on him and getting he's like going with him because he's holding on so tight that he's hanging on, hasn't given up a sack. No, in his college career. He and he gets the job that he played guard in the in the album, you can watch him play guard in the Alabama game. And I give I would have him ahead of Price the Ohio State Center. Now there's another Billy to Billy block.

I would have him in front of him Price to me, I mean they they had. That's another guy that's kind of getting some. I know he was hurt, but people are talking about him. If you're first round, sir, give me Daniels. Daniels give Quisinberry for UCLA is not bad either, not either. You know how. I like a good segue, which mentioning Daniels throws in a question from Joseph, which is who's the forgotten man at nineteen? Let's take a peek here, because I think James Daniels is a yeah,

I don't, I don't. I you know what, that would be one of those picks if we've talked about We've spent months talking about everybody but James Daniel, and we all love him. And if any probably and all of a sudden, we're sitting there on Thursday night and I'm gonna say, you know, Commiscier says picks in bah James Daniels Center, Iowa, I'm gonna I would stop and say, damn, good pick, and it would and it wouldn't even I mean I would. It's one of those things where I

haven't thought about. But gosh, he goes back to guys they visited him as a thirty Yeah, and I'm making a big deal about the thirty day, but I in the first round, you should yeah, the Colton Miller. No, I'm not gonna visit unless they're gonna pick Colton Miller. Unless they trade up, the first round pick will have been a thirty visit. I'll that's gonna happen, unless unless something crazy happens. I mean, if Derwin falls and they

trade for him or something nuts. But if they pick at nineteen, the pick will be a guy that went to the facility. There's just no doubt in my mind. The only redeeming quality about Colton Miller is that he's a good athlete. Names to your We talked about this because we did talking Cowboys this morning. That was shameless, but way to go. Good job, great beer. Miller L Miller Um. We talked about it on Talking Cowboys today. You know they visited Mike McGlinchey. They visited I can't

figure out why they did that. Well, but Collins Trump called the visit. But they covered their bases. They visited two tackles they like and a guard they like. If that's the option, they take the best one available in their minds, and then they figured out from there. So if you're drafted Mike McGlinchey, you're moving. Lyle Collins, Yeah, abstracted James Annuals absolutely leaving Lyle where he is. And

I like Steven basically said that today. I asked him about it and uh, and he was like, well, basically he said, we're gonna draft what we think is the best dude available when the time comes to do that, whether it's nineteen, whether it's the fifth round, and we will decide what to do from there. So if they get themselves a really nice card, Lyle probably stays. If they wind up with a better tackle, he probably moves.

I think it's that easy. Other thirty visits that I don't think we've talked about a lot as a potential pick. Tavin Bran Yeah, the Florida defensive tackle. Absolutely, And for me at least, it's because I don't want them to pick him, so I don't bring him up a bunch McGlinchey.

I think we talk about him a little bit. But when David just put out the scenario that if you drafted him that immediately signals move that becomes uh fleming becomes the swing tackle or does McGlinchey become the swing tack? I stop, you stop, sir, sir? Oh, you mean this coaching staff doesn't favor veteran experience over sir. Come on, and we talk about vandersh a ton as the guy at nineteen. If you think Rashaun Evans is the forgotten man, I've been mocking him for like a month and a half.

He did it in the magazine might of fact. Well keep men. You guys didn't give me how much is the magazine? Well it's it's just I brought a bunch of guys. Probably the web. Where's the website? We're probably too late to send him out. You don't have it by now. I'm for you. Grab we got draft tickets. By the way, too, and we're gonna give away at Jason Witten autographed jersey factual. Yeah, arden Key is the

forgotten man. Brian at nineteen. I wouldn't pick him at eighty one, all right, John was just thrown out a visitor name. No, I wouldn't pick him at eighty one. I would arden Key at eighty one. Key at eighty one. That was another one of my questions forgotten why or why not on arden Key? But okay, James James Daniels um, I mean you could throw a Rashaun Evans because vander esh does get more love he does. I just don't

know it. I just don't know if they if they think like that, they would have to play him at will linebacker and move Seawan Lee back inside. I don't know what they're really said on him. Evans a physical dude. I know he could play Mike all day. I'm just guys, so they're so they're more light and the butt guy at Mike than they are the dude who's a freight train. They think the guy could play all three positions. That's

what I think. I think Rashaan Evans could be your day one Mike if you needed him to be he's a he's a that's the one thing I really do. I don't absolutely love him, but he hits the crap out of it. Yeah, doing people stop, That's that's absolutely right. Okay, um, oh yeah, sorry I got sidetrack. Oh well, okay, I know we talked about this at the top, but just

for clarity's sake, Austin he yeah, he read your mind. Yeah, if vitavea Layton vander Esh and wide receiver one whoever, whether that's Calvin Ridley or DJ Moore, if they're all there, who would you take? And who do you think they would take? Because obviously there are two different questions. Yeah, vanderh veya wide receiver of your choice. Well, Vanderesh was at their biggest need position to me, Yeah, to me,

some might say receiver even though you have six of them. Yeah, I think they could play a game with the receivers they have. And okay, along, so I think you're right about it too many times. Yeah, I would take veya because you just don't like Vanderes. Well, I think he's the best blend of need and talent. Like, he's arguably the best defensive tackle in the draft, and it's a need Veya will be my top rated player on the board there, so I would I would go Veya, then

the wide receiver, then Vanderesh. I think they'll go Vanderesh wide receiver. Ya. That would this This is a great fire escape, like I've you know, and I don't want to get my hopes up. I really don't. But I've had myself convinced for a month that that a linebacker is going to be the pick because it just makes too much sense. I hate the idea of drafting the third or fourth best linebacker in the draft at nineteen. Don't you hate that? You feel pigeonholed into doing that? Though?

The idea before the draft is to make it so you're never stuck in this spot, and I feel like they're stuck in the spot. I don't think they're stuck. It's just when you weigh it all out, it makes the most sense. And trust me, I reserve the right to be wrong. It happens all the time, but you look at it, it does. Shut up. It makes why are we doing this? We're makes it makes It just

makes the most sense. I don't think they're pigeonholed. I think we've been talking about it all forty minutes where there's eight or nine options that make sense, but the linebacker option makes the most sense, except if they are willing to draft the defensive tackle in the first round. You can get the best one in the draft, do a variety of things and give you away rosier long term future at that position. Is this Danny Shelton. No, no, no, no,

Danny Shelton wasn't as athletic Danny Shelton. I don't think he was even as big. He's bigger, stronger. Festee was pretty wide. Yeah, I think Sheldon might have had better college production. But when you just watch the players play, Yeah, Tove is different. Okay, Tove is different. Right, He's a truck. He's a ballerina truck. Yeah, that's how I say, dancing bear. You already used. That's good. It's good, though, it's good. The folks on the periscope, they're they're asking, where's the

love for Davenport? You have the wrong guy. If this is uh, it's classic. You know. I feel like I'm trying to tell you what I think the Cowboys are gonna do. And again, I guess, you know, going back to my point about the thirty visits. Anything is possible in the draft, but you're talking about a guy that you got a draft at nineteen, and I have no reason to believe that they care about him. They didn't bring him in on a thirty people went to his pro day, but they go to every pro day, right

as far as I know. They didn't do a private workout with him, all that good type of stuff. So you know, you're looking for markers on a roadmap, you know what I mean, And there's a million markers on a million other guys. I got nothing on Marcus Davenport. So it's got nothing to do with what I think about him. But I don't have any reason to believe that they like him. So I just why am I talking about him if I don't think they're gonna PA I was just no, I know, but I'm explaining myself

to anybody listening. I know we're drafting for the next hundred years, but four or five. Does Marcus Davenport help you much in year one? I don't think he does. I think it's a small school guy that won by being physically better than everybody he played against, who really doesn't know what he's doing. I wonder I don't think this guy, Ziggy. I wonder if people said that about DeMarcus where Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah,

where's a different cat. I'm not just saying no, no, no, I'm with you, but no, I'm thinking of ziggy Ansa. Yeah that was a surprise. Ziggy Ansa. We go a first round, surprised by the by the Detroit Lions. If we want an end, we want Harold Landry to make it to nineteen. That would be above all else that would be my a one hell yeah scenario. What about real Quid Smith? Okay, what about this? Okay, but I talk, But okay, what do you think that they would do

because they because Veya and Landry? Would they take would they take Landry over Veya because he's the end they would get too? Or do they feel like though that that defensive tackle can help their life? It help Jalen Smith? Got to take the guy that affects the passing game, right, I would think so that's and okay, I have it that way. Paveya can rush the passer, but not as well as a guy like Harold Landry if he lives up to his villain. If you have a guy who

can get you ten plus sex a year. You take him over that exactly? Exactly. No, I agree. I think it's I think it's crazy talk. It's almost as crazy to think Harold Landry falls that far. You shouldn't get past fourteen exactly. I wouldn't think I would. Maybe Green Bay takes Davenport. Somebody mocked Landry at twenty five the other day and I was like, what planet? That's nuts to me. I'd be a good planet. I want to

be on that planet. Well, no, because the car. There's another question, Dave or for you guys, if if what if DJ Moore somehow ends up in the second round? Are you are you going up? Um? If if it's swap okay, this scenario we did yesterday, but it's DJ Moore at thirty seven instead of so I'm giving up fifty and eighty one. Yeah, do it? Bring it on? What do we do in the first round? You took Vanderish keeping well, because that's who they're gonna take. Bring

it on? Yeah, yes, got me, got me a linebacker who can step in and play right away. Got me wide receiver one at thirty seven? Yep, yeah, yep, yep. Nope, bring it on. You're not gonna do it. Why because I'm in the Michael Gallup fan club. You don't gonna wait for fifty you don't like players. I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna get Anthony Miller or Michael give me then your ideal scenario. Then for the first two picks, then for you ideal for you don't talk about the Cowboys. Okay?

Are we taking Harold Landry out of the equation. You're gonna say he's not available, Well, just give me your give me, give me your ideas. I take my ideal is that somebody else takes Landry, so I'm not tempted. Uh. My ideal scenario would be at nineteen, you'd take either Isaiah Winner, James Daniels and you they play left guard, and in fifty you take Anthony Miller or Michael Gallup and play receiver. You ever one under? Actually, okay, and I hate that I haven't gotten a linebacker yet, but

that's what I feel the best of it. I can incorporate a question from Jesse in here, since you just brought that up, like and and Jesse says, is it too risky to draft a guard at nineteen given what else this team needs. Of course, why I think because boy, we were on that guard train so early. We were in today and then and then we stopped at the station we've all got off. In today's NFL, I know, people are talking about how much money you have tied

up in the offensive line and this. Yeah, well I'm really sorry about how much we might have to pay our awesome left guard in twenty twenty three. But for now, that's not I want to protect this quarterback. I want to run the ball. This is what my team does. This is what we do. It's not wrong my guard. I think my guard is going to be the best player on the board. Can't you do that without drafting a guard nineteenth overall? I mean they didn't last year.

I know. But there's a lot of stuff that goes into that. There is your your your best blindman got hurt you? If I had your draft? Is your draft chain change? If I tell you they're moving while Collins. Yeah now I want McGlinchey. Okay, yeah, now I want Mike mcglenchie at nineteen. I don't want camp. Look, look what I want for this line is for Fleming to be the swing swing tackle. That's my dream I want. That's the guy in place. All right, that's what I want.

You know what my ideal is, what I'm space And what's the name of the Washington State guard? Madison? Give me Madison in the third or fourth round. You're good stepping starting with Madison, or he can fight it out with Marcus Martin and training camp. I don't need to spend pick nineteen on a on a starting guard. Let let a mid round pick fight with Marcus. He has

been consistent. The one, the one that's changed a little bit has been Dane because Dane says, well, you didn't you didn't get a good enough band aid, right, which at the position. So now he's now more willing to take a guard. If Jonathan Cooper can and and I'm not saying he was a pro bowler, but if Jonathan Cooper can do the job adequately, he was adequate. Adequate is a fair word. Adequate is a fair words. Okay, Well, this one's personal to me because we're picking at nineteen.

I'm just gonna draw up my reasoning for this. We're picking at nineteen. If Isaiah Winn is on the board, he'll probably be about my eleventh best player in the draft, James Daniels will probably be about my fourteenth best player in the draft. So you get wind over Daniel Susan, Yes, vander esh and Evans. Your linebacker options at nineteen for me will be about the thirty fifth to fortieth best players in the draft. So to me, it's just a massive difference in what I'm picking in terms of value

of the player that I think I'm getting. Now, why that doesn't matter is because for the Cowboys those are probably must much closer, if not flipped. Let's for me, that's why I want the lineman. I'm gonna go against everything that Brian's ever taught me, like window dressing your

board and all that crap. But think about this, I mean think about you know, you get into the nitty gritty of the sea and would you and okay, it doesn't make sense in the value of your board, but would you rather have the thirty fifth best player in the draft holding your linebacker group together with a thirty two year old and a guy with a bum knee, or would you rather have the fourteenth best guy in

the draft. Oh and by okay, so you're all right, thirty fifth best guy or you're one hundred and twentieth best guy, let's call him Fred Warner. Or I would rather have my left guard and then Darius Leonard holds my linebacker cord together than pick one of those linebackers and have Coal Madison. Give me the bet, Josie, give me the better player holding together the shakier unit over the better player holding together the already very good unit.

The offensive line should be able to function without a top tier left guard. The linebacking corp is not gonna function without a top tier linebacker. I believe that would you feel different if they traded for the guy in Seattle? Would you feel different about your defense and having the hold together guy? A little bit? Because I think then in today's NFL, you know what I would do if

you had that guy from Seattle, that guy. If I have that guy from Seattle, Xavier Woods can play mother safety spot and you know who can play linebacker for me, Cavon Frasier. That's today's NFL. Today's NFL strong safety's play linebacker. We gotta cover, we gotta coverbacks, we gotta cover tight ends, and we gotta tackle. That's what linebacker's got to do. That there's nothing for you then I kind of no. I mean, which if you add him to the mix,

then then I'm down for whatever and all. Honestly, your argument is about kind of holding things together when something happens to Sean Lee. Yeah you really you don't for that matter, I mean yeah, yeah, Stephen Jones. Stephen Jones said, a big part of how we feel about linebackers, we expect him to take a step forward. I hope that's the case, but I'm I can't bank on it. I can't. I can't sit here and be like like that's so it's presumptuous to just be like, well, he's gonna be great.

The last two weeks of the season, they were playing him twenty snaps a game. They weren't dialing him up. They were pulling. They were pulling him back, and he actually looked better than that. When he plays sixty snaps, he wasn't nearly as good. I just think you need three to play too, you need It's like they were apologizing to him today. Well I'll take that too, but I just I let we said it again on talking today. We said it, you can play and win with these

wide receivers. You could play and win with this offensive line as it stands right now? Do you agree? Yes, Tyrone's healthy. If Tyron's healthy, yes, can you play and win with these linebackers with the starters? Can you play and win with this linebacking corps? Sixteen games? Oh? Sixteen games? Yeah? My draft is over. Yes, but that's right now. No, you're right there, we go there. Thank you for letting

me have that. Yeah, I appreciate that. See, I can concede when there is a point where you're not right. A lot of people struggle with that. It's I just the linebacker position scares the crap out of me, man, And that's I don't the draft. Nick in me doesn't want a draft Layton vander esh or Rashaan Evans. But I'm just thinking about how is this team gonna win games in twenty eighteen? And it's by bolstering mac Rube. Yeah, and I think it's by running for well four thousand

yards that don't help. But but he wants to the guard, and I think that. I think the ace of the hole, and I've said this is Collins. I think that's what's keeping them from taking a guy at nineteen. Yeah, I really do. I think that that thought in their head is keeping them from taking a guard at nineteen. But if they do that, wouldn't you say they haven't learned? If your plan is okay, we did, so, we're gonna move Collins to guard. Fleming's gonna be our right tackle,

our depth across the line. If Tyring gets hurt of zero, I think that here, I despise. That's brutal. I despise the best of five, the best five thing. And they killed they killed Jazz Green. Yeah, Garrett admitted it. I asked him, said you shouldn't have played him a guard. He goes, I think back on it, No should. I discovered a fundamental difference between me and Jeffrey just just when he said that right there, which is that I'm I sit cross legged. No, well you do do that. No,

there's not nothing wrong that. No, I think, Okay, this is what I think me. I think this is what the cowboys are gonna do, and there's nothing I can do about it, and so I'm just gonna Jeff is like, we watch all these players, we want to fight the cowboys. Jeff is like, this is what the cowboys are gonna do, and I don't like it, and I'm gonna fix it, which like that's like you can't do that. That's not I'm not worried about that. At the end of the day, Well,

these are my receipts. If they struggle, I can say listen, I had this. These got a five hour radio show. Yes, that's a lot of hours. I put in a petition to lower it. Any more questions on their day. Uh well, actually Austin, Actually Austin had a really good two parter which we sort of just touched on this. I love his wording here he goes, if a top tier safety

is acquired via trade, I love that word. Yeah, top tier safety from the West Coast doesn't in a state where oh oh, by the way, did just real quick Stephen Jones told us today about they were not interested in read or Acaro. He just said, no, I mean that that's so any of those guys who are asked about Boston, any of those guys, I mean, they're not interested in any of those The fact that those guys

aren't on this team already should tell you that's that's right. Okay. No, So if a if a top tier safety is acquired via trade, how how would you use them? And he I mean, could could Xavier Woods play alongside him? Would you use Heath as you're strong and yeah, he who must not be named, let me ask you this. You know, the guy that might just become just the core Special Teams captain guy is Heath? I think so, yeah, because

then what you do play and top tier safety together. Yeah, and then what you do is you put Byron Jones down covering the big man. Byron Jones is playing, That's what he was born to do. Yeah. Byron Jones all of a sudden now becomes the guy that covers the big man. So I think the guy that would just become full time, full time Special Teams captain man is

Jeff Heath. Depending on situation, you can move Xavier Woods and Cavan Frasier in and out where if we think they're we think they're gonna run the ball, Frasier's out there totally Interchangeable's fine. Yeah, yeah, I just you know, I would be exciting. I just kind of feel like though that if they if they did get Thomas, that they would play. They love Woods enough to do it, and they have to figure out something for Frasier though, too.

Maybe you get two guys like Keathan Frasier. This your core guys, and then when you rotate them through, you know the you rotate them through and that's what they do. But we gotta take you're not taking a role Thomas off the field. We gotta trade down. I'm in you guys realize we gotta trade down. I'll talk. Let's talk about that later on about what we do that we gotta trade down. We will. Okay, we're gonna take a We're gonna take a break here day. Thanks to everybody

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So happy to be here at Henry's Tavern. A lot of our good draft buddies are out here hanging out with us. It's fun to interact. Give it away tickets, got tickets for the draft for this weekend. We've also got a Jason Witton jersey signed autograph jersey maybe something to be nice to have in your collection. Yeah, two eighty two. No, you guys are trying to draft his replacement right here. He's fifty three, doesn't matter, he's fifty three. Yeah.

Once you're older than the number of players on the roster, you're almost done. Mister Cowboy almost a new mister, new mister Cowboy. He's awesome. I like that though. I like that in mister Cowboy bit sixteen years he's my he's my last. Yeah, that was my last guy left dirt. It was Romo and the secret is in the dirt man. You watch that? Hey, watch that dude give a pep talk on that TV show All or Nothing. Yeah'll tell you what get it? You? Would you would you play

for him? Would you? I mean, would you as a player? Would you be like kill for him? Whoa? Whoa? Literally? Do you have a dump button on this? No? I think Okay, that was sarcasm. What I meant was I would do anything for him. There you go, short of taking a life, you would take a bullet for your yourself. Yes, I would jump in front of a bullet for him. Yeah. You can't get us an executive producing helping us out on that's what you're saying. That's what I said. There

you go, that's nothing wrong with that, Jeff. You know, we yesterday we did a draft for the for the Dallas Cowboys who we thought that they would take, and just to kind of recap who we did yesterday. Uh, we had Layton Vanderish at one nineteen, Anthony Miller at two fifty, to various more at three eighty one, a nice little draft safety from Southern Miss. Then four one sixteen. We had a little bit of discussion. Brelan speaks. You guys are just going straight down the visit list. Yeah,

we little optimistic. We try, We tried. Yeah, we tried to say. But defensive tackle from Old Miss and then Cole Madison of course the tackle the guard tackle from Washington State was at four thirty seven. Edo Smith, Oh, good pick, guys, that was a good pick. Which do you like? Which one? Which one the backs do you like? Out of that the Edo Smith? Kelly, that crew. Let me check my board. I think if you're going that deep like niheim Hines that three eighty one't he? Yeah?

And probably he's probably third round. Yeah Smith, I've got right behind Kelly. But Mark Walton John Kelly, Edo Smith fourth round. Yeah, and Smith it seems like it's gonna go later than that, So I think that's a great pick. Edo Smith that yeah, five one seventy one. And then we went Desmond Harrison again, this is a six one ninety two. And then we went Durham Smith, the tight end from Notre Dame at the six one ninety three,

sky More KT. We had big influence on sky Moore at two o eight, six round pick linebacker from South Carolina. And then we took Justin Lawlord, the defensive ends from SMU at seven two thirty six. There's just no way they're making ten picks. We just we should around. We can't cann j you you now you did a mock draft for your for your website, though, is it what you did or did you just on your own explain your the athletic for the athletic um. And so what I did was I fired up the fans speak is

that you guys did the water. Wait, we just we took we picked all we know, we went down, we right went every single pick, right, we went all the way through. I did that too, Yeah, but I fired up the simulator. And what I did was using my board or kind of our board, right, yeah. Uh. At each pick, I just stopped to look at who are our highest graded guys available and would I do right?

And so On the first pick, the guys that were available with first round grades were Calvin Ridley right, Ronald Jones USC running back, which shouldn't matter, throw it away, he's a ruback. James Daniels, the offensive lineman from Iowa Maurice Hurst d tackle mission. We need to get the medical information from him. I'm trying to get that. I know some teams I talked to have him completely off the board. We need to find this out Thursday, if the Cowboys before we get drafted. If that's the case.

And two corners JayR Alexander at Louisville and my Cues at Central Florida. I throughout corner because I think it's less of a need than the other ones. And the guy I went with was actually James Daniels, not Ridley, not Vander esh and Evans were available, Will Hernandez DJ Moore was available, sure, and I went with James Daniels, okay, because I wanted to pick my left guard to see what would happen. We're doing I was doing an exercise.

I liked the pick. I wanted to see problem with it? Okay, so he took James Daniels at the one nineteen one nineteen was James Daniels. Okay, Now go down to two fifty and where were you? What were the names on your board at that time? Second round? Guys still available? Nick Chubb running back Georgia throw out. We're not picking a running back yet. Wide receivers Michael Gallup Okay, Anthony Miller, DJ Chark, Trey Kuan Smith at Central Florida, James Washington,

Oklahoma State. Let me stop you there. You just named I think five wide receivers. Why don't want one at nineteen? See that I want this at fifty. See, this is the problem. I don't know. And I wonder if teams are having this problem too, that there's so many guys. Parcels used to say, Oh, they're stacked in there like club sandwiches. Yeah, can you separate these guys? Is there anything? It's it's not I know what I'm saying, but there's not many at the top, but all of a sudden

the second round, they're all like packed in there. Yeah, And I kind of thought, Okay, well here's the run, but but go ahead. Then I was just I was j DJ Moore is my favorite guy in this draft. I don't want him at nineteen. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't don't want is harsh. But there's other options. So I had one running back, five wide receivers, Hayden Hurst to tight end at South Carolina, Tyrell Crosby the tack little organ by way I would think about it

if I hadn't already picked a guard. Sure, Nathan Shepherd the d tackle at forty State of him Duke is GIA four Wake Forest defensive end, and MJ. Stewart cornerback North Carolina. WHOA, that's a little rich for me. Yeah, I wouldn't pick him there, but I have him as a second round. But these are my second round guys that were left. Yeah, I got you. I went Anthony Miller. I took Anthony Miller, and I picked the wide receiver. Okay, so you got so you've now completely helped the offense.

Yeah yeah, serious, I'm gonna make so many people mad with us next back. And I did it. I did it on purpose because I was doing an experiment. Every Bock draft is an experiment. You're seeing how things look. You suck, You're still Let's see if people start throwing Miller light bottles at us here for the third round. Yeah,

three eighty one. My third round is available. Darius Leonard linebacker, Josie Jewel linebacker, cornerbacks, Duke Dawson at Florida, Nick Nelson at Wisconsin knee got a knee you had to worry about right there. Six week recovery. They just cleaned up the meniscus. Oh you know about that. You know about those knee surgeries, right, Yeah, you don't want to eight year out on him. Niheem Hines are running back. Yeah, Akram Wadley the eye will run him back. I love him,

by the way. Dane's guy, Ian Thomas, the tight end at Indiana. Dave is not coming around on him. Dedron Senat and Derek Noddy are my d tackles and strong safety Terrell Edmund. I'm about to lose my mind. So I picked Ian Thomas why as an experiment, an experiment to not help your defense at all. Here was the experiment was if I don't take him here, I know I can't have him in the next round. And I don't like any of the tight ends left linebacker. I

wanted to see what would be availed. You don't need a tight end. Why do you need a tight end? Because Jason Witten is almost done. Nobody goes down the field and the guys behind him have three career catches and neither one of them is the heir to the throne. Is Jason Witten going to retire before the season starts? No? Next year? Has he ever missed a game? No? All right, then what are we talking about? Well, we need the next guy? Why? Because that's how we that's what the

draft is for when killed, just for the future. Can we just draft him twenty second? Why can't do my script? This is like it's like in sixth grade when you built the volcano? What place did you finish? I don't think. I don't think he has the guy at the wrong spot. Though. It's not nothing to do with his spots. It's just his choices. Yeah, we're down, we're going into so we're pick one sixteen sixteen, and he has selected a defensive player. He's about to pick a linebacker who won't be there

at one sixteen, So he might be okay. He was in the simulator. It was Dane's board. Darius Lenard is the fourth round pick. I don't think he'll be there either. I don't think he would be either. This is it worked out well here. This is like the guys who tweet us all day, like, look, I got DJ Moore in the third round. That's a great point because after Darius Leonard the fifth round is not unrealistic. It was Edo Smith, okay, or that might have been the fourth round.

Comp who'd you get in the sixth Derese Fountain, Northern Iowa? See Darius Phillips cornerback, Western Michigan. That's that seems like the right Let's go back to Fountain though, would you like and you're kind of the wide receiver whisper Dane has been talking about him the Northern Iowa kid. I mean he's like, hey, someone's gonna hit this guy. Maybe fourth round, you know that type of Well, we'll talk about a little bit about what you saw with him

at Northern Iowa. He had a terrible quarterback. That's I guess that's not what you like about him now. But I thought what he liked Brown at Notre Dame well, and so did Calvin Ridley, and so did DJ Moore, and so did lots of others. But I thought for him it was so bad that you're doing some projecting. That's why I don't think he'll go all that high, because you don't get to see him run a ton

of routes because of the quarterback limitations. It's a lot of stops, it's a lot of slant routes, and it's a lot of chunk it down the field and hope. But I think he's really really good at the top of the route. He is one of the best in this class at when we get to the top of a route, I have to throw this guy off of me because my quarterback's not any good, right and we can't run anything down the field. They know I'm running stop routes. I just have to move them. And he

moves them and makes place. Oh he physically moves is what he does. Yeah, tested well, Uh, great at the Shrine game, great during the Shrine week. Don't know if he has a lot of long speed, but he's he's got that short area burst. I just I think there's a lot to work with. I don't think guy you

want to throw. He was a guy on the thirty visits for a lot of teams that they and the reason why is because of the medical because he didn't go to the combine right, so he had to go and hit a lot of these uh you know, get physicals because teams didn't know a whole physic didn't know much about him. So okay, oh I missed Derek Naughty the Florida State dtackle. We took him in the fourth compick I fourth ron compick. Hate your mock draft because

I got too many good values. It's Dane's board. They're all good players. Yeah, Leonard's probably not there. Naughty I doubt is there. Fountain maybe not. But other than that, we're good. I'll tell you what I liked it. You can just move Leonard up to the third if it makes you feel bad. It doesn't, then we'll just play it out a different way. It does make me feel better. You don't like it because because the the just the because it'll be there. No, No, he's probably because of

the offensive players. It's well, it's okay. I don't think this team needs a tight end on day one or day two or you know what I'm trying to like. I don't see the point. This team needs somebody to run down the field and make a pleasure. Right now, they have zero people to not gonna be on the field. He's not gonna be on the field. I'm not well. When is the coach? When are we When are you gonna have the coaching staff informed? Jason Witten? We love you,

You're a captain. You play a bunch of snaps. You don't play every snap? Do you believe that? All again, this goes back to what you think should happen, or what you think will happen. Should happen to this doesn't? That does nothing for me. I'm here to coach. Should happen does nothing for me. Will happen matters? And I'm saying Jason Witten will play ninety five percent or more of the snaps. All right, we'll pick a tight end in twenty twenty one. There we go. That's fine. That

might be a new staff. The other thing is good point, you really feel good enough about this defense that you're not going to address it until the third or fourth round. I feel pretty good about this defense. I think if you pick up up one linebacker that you think can play fifty percent of the snaps, you're okay on defense by picking him where you did too, I do I like him. I like Leonard too. I know to be I'll argue against myself. Anthony Hitchins was not a bad

player as a rookie as a fourth round pick. Oh, it was really good. So I mean it can be done. But man, I really we could have taken Josie Jewel there. Surely you think he can step in and play right? The offense is just not The offense is not a problem for me right now, Like there's ways you could improve it, to be sure. Okay, So here's what I'm doing. What I'm doing is what you've been doing to me.

I'm asking what is this team going to do? Like with this coaching staff, I think your struggles are if adversity hits, somebody gets hurt, how are we going to do adjust for it? Now? If everything is perfect, how are we going to win with this team? We're going to block everyone, We're going to protect our quarterback perfectly, and we're gonna get five or six yards every point. That's our plan. So let's get the players to do it.

But I think you can do that without using your nineteenth overall pick on a guard well, then why don't we do it better? Well, I mean there's that what if we score on every drive? I get it, we could do that. Man, I just I just can't. I just can't understand. I cannot stop thinking about that three or four games stretch where they didn't have an effective linebacker and they literally looked like a high school team. Oh be honest. My biggest problem is that we watched

the players. That's my biggest problem is that in these spots, when I got there, it's my best player. When I got there, it's my best player. And I have to go away from that at positions where I do need help in order to go a different route. How do you think they see their defense? Well, they gotta know they need a linebacker or two. How about two. They got to know they need at least one. Problem. There's things I don't always agree with Nicky about, But Nicky's like,

look at the linebackers. They need a safety, just one in the room. He doesn't have to it's depth, but they need How about the safety? About the long term outlook of your defensive tackles. I want to know from the time we started this show until right now, I've gone from like maybe they'll pick Vita Vea too. They gotta pick Vita Vea. Like this sounds great to me. I like that you're helping out a lot of people with that pick, right, And I mean you taught David

Irving what's his long term future here? Yeah, he's got one year exactly. See to me, looking at these defens with David Irving, I look at I look at a situation where they go the defensive tackles it was yesterday. Didn't bother me. I'm sitting in a situation where I'm thinking they need defensive tackles anyway. I mean it wasn't. I mean, if you look at being hurt, that needs a little more dire if he can't play at all because he's not available for sure. So sure, I mean

there's that yeah. So see, I'm just I just don't know what they really think about their defense, you know, because they talked about it today with you know, Chris Richard. You know, they said, oh, we're gonna do some things different. They have Byron Jones and all. You know, what, what are they going to do different? I mean they're glad, they're glass half full people, and I'm a glass half empty. Person. Sure's how I am. So, I'm sure that even had

a quarterback in a decade. Now, I'm just taking shots they can do that because nobody cares how ableeen Christian does. That's a good point, um, But I'm sure they I'm sure they feel good about it, and you know, in the optimistic sense. But again, I mean, if there is a position on a football team that they feel like they have to address in this draft, it's got to be linebacker, right yeah, I would think. So if I tell you could only make one pick this weekend, what

are you picking one pick? Yeah? I need lineback, I means, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna pick the best play, all right. I Well, I'm okay. I admire Jeffrey I do, and I know I get where he's coming from. But I don't know there's You're right, I factor in need too, But I think you need a linebacker. I do think you need an offensive line. Well, but I mean me personally, I mean I came from the school in Green Bay where it was it was best available. I mean I learned

about Lamar Jackson. That's I mean, that's let me ask you this, that's crazy talk, right Well, in and in a in a in a vacuum, it's not. But for this team it is. Well ask me what go ahead? No, no, I mean that's it's an interesting thought. Well, Lamar Jackson's there at nineteen. Is he the best player on that? And that is an extreme example, one of the one of my top guys. You can take it back. You can take it back to last year. Dalvin Cook was

there when they picked and there ended up. It's turned into best it's best available, best available with need, right, that's what it's turned to and need. But I think unless you are the Ron Wolf Green Bay Packers, and unless unless we just know you're going to the playoffs,

then that that's how everybody funds. But the probably the thing about it is I felt like though, if you did best available player to start and then you hit needs after the first two rounds, then I felt like you you had best you know, at least of a chance. It's of missing that first pick. That's kind of what I always thought. I sound like a broken record, but I've never been more clueless or more intrigued about what they're gonna do. And in the first round, I mean,

you know, the big picks. I mean, either this is a fascinating draft. It's I think it's I think this is gonna be an all timer. Not in I mean, who knows what it's gonna be like in terms of like how it pans out. Honestly, if like this, I feel like this could be a lot like twenty thirteen, where you look at it and you're like, a lot of these guys were not very good. Let me ask But in terms of the unpredictability of it, I think it's gonna be one of the craziest drafts. Let me

ask you this. There's a guy who won't let me take an offensive line I didn't say that. Do you acknowledge that in the first three rounds you think, hope and dream that it's a linebacker, a wide receiver, and an offensive lineman in some order. Yes, Okay, that's yes. I think that's the ideal. So we're just arguing about order. Okay, I get you, I'll get you to the second round, shall I should I go through the order that we've best combinations that we talked about with Yeah, that was

one of my favorite shows. Do you still you have to have the list? Right? Yeah? Give it to me that one? All right? Now? I'm gonna give it to you. Okay, I give it to you. We had best combinations, Okay, and you weren't here. Give me the one with Quentin Nelson. Best combinations were at some point? Yeah, didn't we really? No? No, best combination one stopped stepping on my cord. Cavanaugh, your cord and the right place. Have a little respect for

Miller Lite best best best combinations. Ridley Jewel Bates. Okay, Ridley Jewel Bait. That's a good one. Order did you go? I just spoiler alert. They're all They're all good. That's the point. No, they're not. How about DJ Moore Shepherd and More the Safety Shepherd to various more and more too. McGlinchey, Jisicky Warner, Is that one again? Mc McGlinchey, Jisicky and Warner. That one's out. I'm not even ok Vanderesh Harrison, Saint Brown.

I don't have to write that one now, Okay, Landry Miller, Leonard This is fun Landry Miller and Leonard Okay, Evans Sharts sonat Oh, that's fun. I don't remember. Go ahead, sorry? And then how about Hernandez Gallop and Avery oh Man after my own heart? You like that one, well, yeah, Gallup gives that one extra points. And then and then last one would be Veya Golden and Hamilton Penn State Hamiltons. Okay, let's see. And I asked those I asked the guys

what that? Who would be their best combination at it? Since you guys brought up the best combination or you're talking about it, I was curious, Now, what do you think about that? The best three combination? I think the last time we hate that. I didn't get a guard here, but Landry Miller Leonard is really, really good. Landry Miller Leonard is the only one that matters. To throw them all out. I didn't get a guard though. It doesn't matter. Dave got Marcus Martin. You can't just say words and

make them starters. So your guard ass her Nandez Gallop and you like Gallop? I do like Gallop. So what do we think about Avery? It's the Memphis kid. I love him. Throw Joe Looney in there at guard. It'll be fine. Oh we're gonna stop that. If if Joe Loudey were here, I would hug Joe Looney. That doesn't make him a starter. Really, you did a lot of good drafts. Did anybody tell you that? Yeah, these are all very good. Brian's really good at making you make

an unfortunate choice. I'm gonna eliminate the one with Hamilton and and Golf just because I love Miller and Gallop more. Yeah, Dj Moore Shepherd is the fort Hayes Dey tackles him and more the free safety. That's good. Ridley Jewel Bates is better, So that's out. Okay, he's keeping the guard alive, Dave. You know I'm keeping the guard alive. But I thought he'd keep the guard alive because he likes Gallop. I don't have Evans as a one, so they're out to

Oh okay, we got three good drafts. Ridley Jewel Bates, Yeah, Landry Anthony Miller, Darius Leonard Hernandez Gallop Avery. Yah. Are you comfortable with Avery playing fifty percent of the snaps as your mic? Sure? I am. I'm coming very comfortable with him. And by the way, if you're on periscope as well, give us sure three I'll read off some of these. The only reason this is hard is because

Jeff is stubborn lying at hearing. Oh no, he That's what I'm saying we're seeing how how much he's dug in on taking a guard, which is first Mickey would say guard, they need a guard, they need a garden one on Dallas Cowboys. Oh it's it's get the ten sack pass. Landry would be the best first round pick of the group. To me, well, now he's trying to mix and match. No, no, no, I just I'm trying to I'm power ranking here. Ridley is the second best

first round pick. Hernandez is third. The best second round pick is Michael Gallop, the second best is Miller, the third best is Jewel. The best third round pick is Bates. That's a number one. Second best will be Leonard. I feel like I'm watching, so we're adding and like golf, we want a low number. That one's seven, that one's five, and this one is six, which means our winner is Landry, Miller, Leonard. And you know that's the one that I said five

minutes ago. And you know it's funny about that one that's probably got time to fill, but that that is probably the one that has the least chance of happening. Happen. Yeah, y won't be there when you could argue none of the three. Can I ask you this. I'm sure I'm gonna hijack this for a second. You surely may cheers? Are we uh? Are we talking enough? Are we not talking enough about the trade doown? Scenario? Is that we need to trade doown? Is it realist stick to think

that they could? Which? Yeah, absolutely, I think ninety percent of Cowboys, fans, analysts, whatever would say a trade down sounds favorable. My dream is it possible? He Can't's possible? And here's my dream for you. This is my dream for you, my dream for you. We're gonna trade down. You can do a lot of work with an extra day to pick you. Guys are gonna have to find the destination to where we're going downs. Were player. We got to determine where the value of the player is.

We're picking Evans. Okay, we're going down and we're picking Rashaun Evans. Who's trade getting your linebacker for you? Yeah? I'm in. Somebody's coming up for mcglinchew. Okay, New England, Okay, okay, let's talk about the teams that could come up then. New England at twenty three, Carolina twenty four, because Cincinnati could use an offensive lineman so could Detroit. So that's that twenty and twenty one. So New England at twenty three,

Carolina at twenty four, New Orleans at twenty seven. Is there a dire need for a tackle there? They have ram Chick the well, okay, I'm thinking they're gonna maybe we'll get Connor Williams. Say they're going to get Connor Williams, who they they could play guards center. Okay, because they worked out Connor Williams as as that guy. They worked out that as him as a guard center combination. So so I'm hey, anybody that wants them, I'm all for it.

Trade up, give me your picks. Let's go third round pick. You know, you pick up an extra three. What is what in New England? What does New England have to give me to go up from twenty three, Because that's not a huge job. They've got to give you the third round pick. And let's see if they've got a third they've got let's see what they've got on third

round picks. The third round picks at ninety five. Yeah, so you would pick up you would pick up ninety five, so that would give you you would be picking again at let's say you'd pick at twenty three, twenty three. Evaluate that trade we're picking up. Let's get all the numbers. Let's evaluate the trade with the trade. Hold on. We are going from no, no, no, no, no, no, no, give me, just give me. That's the that's New England. That's New England. Just say that's New England. If we

make that trade, that's New England. Yeah, put in New England there. If we go to Carolina, I'm not following him either. Oh no, no, I got it now. It took me a minute, but I got it now. He's just saying labelt. That's if we try, yeah, label and see which one's the best trade for us here. Okay, you're going to Carolina. That's gonna also net you a third round pick. Carolina has in the third round. Let's

see what they've got. Carolina will be at eighty five, and they got one at eighty five and one at eighty eight, so they've got two of them. So you can pick at twenty four. Both of them are aways ahead of ninety five. There for giving up one spot, and we can still get Evans. We're going to Carolina twenty four, fifty eighty one and eighty five Yep, we're going to Carolina. Yeah, I like that. Okay about okay, now let's evaluate the Saints. This is gonna be the Saints.

You're gonna give you a three and a four to move up to your spot. So think about that. Okay, we know we're gonna get our guy at twenty seven. Who are our guys? Can we say Evans and Hernandez Evans as um a receiver? I mean yeah, I think you thought you could think about your receivers. We'll get a guy. We'll get a guy we really like because in the mock draft yesterday, DJ Moore went to Carolina at twenty four. Not only that, but I'm if you give me two extra picks and move me back to

twenty seven, I'm I'll draft Courtland Sudden. I'll take him at twenty seven if I get two extra picks. Okay, with that two extra picks? Am I okay? With that pick? Yeah? Let me let me give you the one to know the other names available, Yes, let me get you. Let me get you the names. Let me let me get you the picks. Okay. If we moved to if we moved to New Orleans again, that's going from nineteen to

twenty seven. That's a third round in a fourth round the Saints currently own they own they would own a pick number ninety one that would be in the third round, and then let's go and they would own pick one twenty six. So those are their two picks. So the Saints, yeah, that's what's gonna rather take the Carolina trade. Yeah, because the Carolina trade him at twenty four instead of twenty seven, and I get eighty five instead of ninety one and one twenty six, I agree with what I'll take Carolina.

So all right, does Carolina offer your spot then where you feel like you can take the guy you need? Yes, and we've determined it's Evans, right, is that who we're trading down four to acknowledge the biggest need, and we're gonna pick the mic he's playing ball. He's playing ball. I'm trying to be your friend. Yeah, you're trying to be your friend like that because then I'm gonna get my receiver. And if we need to package these to come get our linebacker, we can do it. Where can

you take pain durn Payne? Not in the first okay, but you're already but you're you're thinking about you're really drafted second round players at twenty four anyway, right, twenty four scenes high. Twenty four is a little high for Evans too, but again I need the linebacker. Who do you feel better about? Then? You feel better about Evans than you do? Ye? Really better than Pain? Yeah? Okay? Do you feel about your guard? Hernandez? Hernandez versus Evans

and Pain? Hernandez might be my top guy out of those. Yeah, I'll take but Dave. We gotta do what David's doing. Oh, we can go now, Okay, can we go? Yeah, okay, we're taking Hernandez. Jeric. I didn't know Dave was gonna let us. That's why I was trading down. I'll take Hernandez at twenty four. Okay, So what if I get Daniels at twenty four? Huh? I don't think so. What if Daniels goes off? They because the team that worries the team and Saniels is gonna go twenty or twenty one.

That's what I'm saying, Go to Detroit, Detroit or Cincinnati. That's Cincinnati will take a big ten player. That's what they do. They do. That's the that's the Paul Brown I'm waiting doing things. I'm gonna trust you because you called Joe Mixing to Cincinnati like sure had a time. Everybody drafts big ten players. We talk about game no, no, no, But the Bengals. I gambled on Mixing going to Cincinnati,

but I didn't know they would trade back. So I lost the wager because it was an over under number, and I knew who was gonna pick him. I just didn't know they'd trade back picking. That's a bummer. That hurt. That hurt. I'm sorry, but you feel like, Okay, you don't want to, you don't want you don't like. What if the Saints just off you there two? Would you feel better about that instead of taking the back to back picks that you didn't you get there? Two? There? Two?

To do? What to to come up to? Come up to kid? Maybe they're doing good? What's there too? Come home fifty something? Well, let's make sure they have a two. I don't see a two. Foh you know what did they give up there too to get Kamara last year? They probably did. They don't have it too. They don't

have a two. Oh, I'll screw them, no, go away. Yeah, we're traded with Carolina, Brian So, okay, so our trade back, our spot we want to get to then as Carolina, all right, yep, rather than y'all get y'all get so wrapped up in these hypothetical specifics. What I want to know, is it realistic to trade back, come up for who could be there at nineteen? That makes somebody want to

come up, That's what I want. McGlinchey. McGlinchey, Yeah, maybe maybe Connor Williams maybe, yeah, Colton Miller, yeah, any not for me, but somebody for Colton Miller. Yeah. Do any of us believe that it could be a quarterback? I don't. I think the quarterbacks are gone by fifteen. Get somebody to come up for vander esh us not pick him. No, nobody's trading up for a Boise Stay linebacker. I think that's hurtful. I'm sorry. So it's Carolina. It's gotta beIN.

You're taking a line. It's got to be one of these tackles, And it makes I just I don't put that much stock in the thought of trading back because I don't know how likely that is. What if you win all the way back to my especially when people have great dreams do you immediately when they wake up? Wasn't real? I'm the guy that craps on your dreams. Yeah, that's me. That's kind of my brand. Unfortunately it's the terrible brand. But that's just the card that's I've been dealt.

All right, You won't go to New Orleans? Though? Would you go to? Would you go to Pittsburgh for their second? Would you go to would you go to the twenty nine yeast? Would be coming up for a linebacker? What's there? What's their second? Maybe coming up for vander Their second is at A sixty twenty nine. Oh so we're doing twenty fifteen all over again? Yeah, so you're doing twenty nine,

twenty nine fifty sixty, Yeah, twenty nine fifty sixty. Yeah again, because at twenty nine, I feel comfortable drafting Courtland Sutton. I don't think Pittsburgh's gonna move beyond the way if you do, if you study their history, they're just gonna wait for Rashana. They're gonna sit there. That the aggressive team is maybe New England? All right? Now going to thirty one, you're interested in going doing that? We already

went to twenty three. But again, what can what can they offer me, So thirty one, they got picks, they've got there, there's they're six, they're they're one hundred and seventy. They're actually two hundred and seventy five light if we are, if we are dropping twelve spots, it better be a hell of a train. You need sixty three twenty or so, thirty one, sixty three, twenty thirty one, fifty sixty three, right, any more than that, right, that's probably unrealistic. Yeah, that No,

that's on the number. Yeah, that's right on the number. That's a long drop. So it makes me feel better about drafting Courtland Sutton, though I'll draft him at thirty one. Okay, So we determined the better thing to do would be to stay then go to Carolina. If you're gonna drop, go to Carolina. If you're gonna drop, target Carolina. If we go to Carolina, we take Will Hernandez at twenty four, it's fine. Okay, we get to fifty. Uh, you're gonna

want your linebacker here, right? Sure? Who's who's a second round linebacker? Board? Yeah? Okay, So we took Jewel at fifty, right, we can package eighty one and eighty five to come up for Michael Gallup. Maybe he makes it to eighty one. This is for me. I know I'm winning dreams here. Yeah, I know we're having great dreads. We're having an incredible draft. I'm just gonna nudge or you can maybe sit there and get the receiver at eighty one and turn around

and get the safety at eighty five. I really just need a body at safety. Oh you sound terrible right now. They've been playing with bodies, Jeff, I just need a dude. He's not gonna start now, he will. Jeff thinks Xavier Woods is an all pro and I like Xavier Woods. I'm gonna save this whole show because what a Savior was as a good player, You're gonna serve. It's not about whether or not he's a good player. It's about Egyptians. All Right, here we go. We're gonna Tater, We're gonna

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Is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Showboys on the Clock. You're back here with the draft show here from Henry's Tavern. Excited we just gave away a Jason Witton, Jersey, and so we want to hind signed yes from our our brothers here at Dallas Cowboys. But Todd Chapman, who came by said hello, was in the building, says he watches all our videos and kind of checks us out. So we appreciate all the things that he's done. We appreciate all the fans out there too, Appreciate everybody again that

kind of has followed along. It's been a long journey. Voice and uh soon Flor's here from Australia. Oh that's true. Yeah, Glory from Australia. It's here from Australia. I tell you what. Absolutely, there we go. I forgot you were from Australia though, huh, well done. You come every year though, right, every couple of years. Yeah, there's not a time of year where the international appeal of the league is more obvious than the draft because people people will be tweeting us on

Thursday and Friday from Australia, the UK. How about this. I did Germany, I did a Denmark. I did skype today with the UK Cowboys. Those those guys and yeah, so I'm sure they're probably all up listening right now. Did the show. But did you wear this? I was all white. It looks good. Shirt only wears fishing shirts and the occasional white fishing shirts. Yeah, I would call this a fishing shirt. Workplace attire, guys, I don't know radio. Yeah,

it were flip flops and all that stuff. Let me ask you, guys, this, who is going to be the biggest surprise in this draft? The first round of the draft? The biggest where you know it's been one of those We're sitting there doing it on Friday night and we're gonna look at this thing. We're gonna go wow, Frank, Now I mean is that? I mean you're going off of their tape. It's Colton Miller yacause he should be taken on the third day. But is that the one

when you know it's a quarterbacks get picked? Let me, I'll ask you if Rudolph is a one, that's what I'm saying, that would be a sur would be a surprise to me. What if Lamargo is in the top ten? Is that a surprise? Now? No, because I haven't the second best quarterback on my board. But I mean, based on what sass Plug like, the three of us shouldn't be surprised by a damn near or anything that happens. I'd take him a one. No, but the one, but like ragnow would just surprise me that that one would

surprise I think I think Rudolph. I think six quarterbacks go in the first round. You think Rudolph goes that's I don't know. Teams need quarter I mean you know New England they got two picks, they need a quarterback. Yeah, stuff like that just kind of stands out to me at and and I know you don't like Colton Miller. Y'all, y'all fix it on the tape, and you should. You should trust the tape. I get it, but because like what do you know what they're doing on tape? Playing football? Right?

Thank you, thank you for what to do, patronizing me. Okay, but it's like I said, need is such a big part of this that nobody wants to acknowledge. And there's only so many offensive packs. Why wouldn't you pick a good one? But Colton Miller is gonna go before Tyrell Crosby, the organ king. If you gotta have one, and you think a guy fits what you do here, it only takes one team, It only takes one team. Is that This is a question for Brian who turn face him. Sorry, Step,

all you do is still what's wrong with y'all? Like everybody who works in the NFL, we can call the guys are going to be that are overdrafted because of the measurables in the work. We know who we're gonna be, and we know it's not gonna work with. When it doesn't, they're gonna do it again. We marched to the numbers. We marched the numbers. Do with quarterbacks. I did it with quarterback and the kid Josh Allen. There's a guy

he marched to the numbers. Somebody's gonna pay a lot of money to that guy, and I hope it works out for him. That's what I'm saying, though, You just you get so focused on measurables. And I've tried so hard since we've all done this now for five years, I've tried so hard to keep a different attitude about don't. Don't be married to the numbers, Brian, don't be married to you know. It's like Chark. You know he's six three, he's one ninety seven, he runs four three? Does he

play like that? See? And that's what I'm saying you and I have lived that every week in LSU. We die and you know we just ah, well, you make that play. But somebody's gonna fall in love with the numbers because they always do well. Renzo Carter the Georgia, he's a guy when there somebody. Some people have him mocked in the first round, say he's a player. Yeah, but that that work. New England could take him at thirty one. I mean, that's the That's what I'm saying.

New England didn't care what we think. By the way, nobody pay them, why should they. They keep going to the snow. But but but scouts, I mean, they tend to fall in line with the numbers. That's the thing I mean, And that's why. But that's why Mason Rudolph might get drafted. I mean the counter argument to that, and it works out sometimes. I mean, you you have a system, you have you have your your benchmarks, Like

this guy's arms need to be this long. He needs a three cone that does this, or I don't want Carl Laws our offensive sure if that's part of it too. Our offensive tackles have to hit a certain bench So yeah, if you're the Patriots, a I mean the Patriots stand out to me too, because you're like, we're going to the playoffs anyway. Our thresholds are working. Yeah, are We're going to the playoffs anyway. So let's draft Colton Miller at twenty three because because we're smarter than everybody else.

Well not only well just there's there's five tackles that make sense in the first two rounds and we gotta have one, so we might as well draft this guy that fits our benchmarks, you know what I mean? How about the surprise the other way we talk about Colton Miller, that testing is going to send him to the first round. His tape says, what yeah, fourth fifth round? Guy, you have to say, zeus right now? Brown? Yeah, t says what late one second round? And that's what happened. What

happened after the combine. Everybody killed the guy. Everybody everybody's sports killed the guy. Right. You know he's gonna be drafted in the top fifty and play ten years. I don't I think he'll go between like fifty and seventy five. Sure, I mean, you watch him play. He's really good. You watch play gets Ohio State. Those guys we all have jacked up the board. Yeah, he's not getting past those. I mean, those guys aren't getting past him. He's gonna

drop forty or fifty picks because of his workout. Yeah, that's gonna happen. It's scout and again it's the numbers everything. Scouts can't get that out of their head. Him laboring around and you know, not doing everything you're supposed to do. Would Billy Price surprise here? Yeah, a little bit, because he's got the peck injury, you know, and all it just tapes that good. I mean I worry about him. I do worry about him a little bit. Like I say, I just I'm trying to I'm rap in my brain.

I mean, we've If Crosby goes in the first, is that a surprise to you? Yeah, it would be. It would be. But this tack this this draft is so tackle for Yeah, especially if you're gonna play Connor Williams at guard, because that's McGlinchey. And that's what I mean, and that, like I know, I used to be forever there were four or five tackles. You could just plug him in, let's go. I can't do that. I don't

think it's as crazy as y'all do that. Calton Miller will go in the first round because they're just no I hear it anybody else? All right, let me ask you guys this question. I'm gonna ask you this question. Give me this guy's underrated? Well you know mine? No? Should I say his name of fifteenth time? James Daniels Okay, okay, Michael Gallop, um, well, ranger, what are we talking about? Yeah, this guy's underrated. This guy is a player that you know when at the end of the day, it's he's

gonna be three, four or five years from now. He's going to be the guy. Like, man, we did not talk about him enough. I just sort of crap thought him at the start of the show. But Minka Fitzpatrick, like people people talk about him like nobody knows what to do with him. He's fallen down the board. Like it's not crazy to think he's the best dB in

this draft and people aren't talking about him that way. Yeah, Duke Asia four wake forestda he's a better player than Marcus d Okay, how is the tape for you initially on him? What did you think about the tape with him? The tape kind of goes up and down, depending on the game. But I just think there's enough there that I think he's gonna have a ten year NFL career. He's gonna be a starting defensive end and he's gonna

help a football team. But this is kind of how it works, and it drives me a little bit bonkers. Asia four is a good player on tape. I don't know if he ever worked out before the combine or Combine or Pro Day. Yeah, but Davenport, who goes to a small school, just beats up on small school guys like he should, and he may go top fifteen. Asia four is going to go fifty five, right, and I

think he's gonna have the better career. He's got some edge rush ability though you watch him, I mean he can dip, get around the corner, getting it gets real small? Can you carry on Johnson's underrated? Okay it depends on when. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this question. Brian and Dan talk about him like you should go in the top fifteen. Okay, how about this. Then there's my next question. You guys need a real running back in the third round. Who's your guy? Hines? Real real

running back? You need a real running back Hines are Wadley, is it too high to take Kelly there? I'd take Kelly there, Tennessee Kelly right, Yeah, I actually Iowa Wadley, I would I would take too. I love Widley, I know you do. I really do, least always like him and Josie Joel. I mean, I think what I was gonna put it. I would watch what they're gonna put in. They're gonna put in a corner in. They're gonna put a linebacker in, they gonna put a running back in.

That's what Iowa does. They like they churn out, dude, They're gonna put a center in. They go eight and four every three years, they make a run at the Big Ten title. Yeah that's I mean, that's it's like the sun rising and setting. They're gonna have two guys go in the first round. Yeah, and four guys go in the first three rounds. Well, no, no, no, Wadley will probably go in the fourth. Rod Maybe this is

Riley might be the best one of that. I mean, when when the running backs of those third round running backs were talking about call this recency bias because Alvin Kamara was just offensive rookie of the Year, but John Kelly is a tough Oh John Kelly, Yeah, exactly, catch them catch the ball? Sure can. I like that. I would draft that guy. It's just like, Okay, Kelly, two tough guys, Kelly Galden. You know we're talking about two really tough guys that somebody's gonna get. I wish, I

wish the Cowboys. I almost wish the Cowboys needed are running back better, like more than they do, because it would be do they do they? I mean when you think about Will Okay, only got two on the ross. Yeah, even you even made the boy today about Rod Smith. But okay, if this remember remember how much fun twenty

fifteen was when we were arguing about Jeff's boy Duke. Yeah, and Ke's a good player in Cleveland, Tevin Coleman, it would be so much guy, if the Cowboys needed a feature back right now, they would have like a well, I mean, we'd be arguing about Darius Geist right now, but they don't. Philadelphia, tra Quan Smith is underrated day day three, Day three, which is different than day one two. So Okaron quos underrated. M Oh, you're naming all Oklahoma guys. Now,

I didn't name all I named and Oklahoma. I wonder why Oklahoma guys and Oklahoma guy, A man is not paying attention to us. Oh, there she is, and Oklahoma guy and he's underrated. What round does Shakim Griffin go? I bet he sneaks into the end of two. I think y'all are crazy. Which this plays right back into

what we'll say three. I'm gonna officially say three. What like scouts can't get over certain things right, right, So no matter what you see on tape, you talk to these scouts and they will like, well, he's got one hand, Brian exactly. I mean that they play about the guy he does that, and then they're gonna be like, he's missing a left hand. Let's say, third round, fourth round, fourth yesterday, and that mock that we did he with eighty six in Kansas City, that's borderline fourth, right, it's

getting close. Maybe it's towards the three. I'll tell you what. Somebody's gonna get a held of football team. You've been saying that since Oh I do. I just believe. I believe in him. I'm not hating hippo. Very that's a good one. That is a very good one. I think that's Doug Free I think it's an athletic Doug Free Mirrow. Doug Free came in and he was kind of like, you know, position all that this is what this kid

can do. They got a massive guy on the right side, and they got a really light athletic guy on the left. Where do you think Shack Griffin goes I got in the third round? I have him in the fourth and the third. I didn't ask him where you had him? Oh what team he goes to? Just where where do you think he's actually when do you think he's gonna go? More like third round? Whatever? I can give you a number. Not you're great, No, you're the team. I'm gonna give

you a team. I'll give you a team. He's gonna go to Where's where's my bunch in Seattle? They don't have a third round pick. Let's talk second No, no, no, here we go, Here we go here. I got your team. I got your team right here, I got your team. He's gonna go to Atlanta at ninety Okay, let me ask you this a linebacker group. You're the linebacker guys are gonna run that team. We'll get ready. We're playing that bunch again next year. Yeah. One sat Griffin. You okay,

he's not because he's got in the fourth round. I'm not okay with that. I'm sorry. I hate Why do you hate Shatt Griffin? I hate to be the dasher of dreams. I just I just if I'm a great production, great athlete can cover, I'm on tackle, I'm I'm mentally weak.

That's why, like, I just I want a guy that I'm leaning on to be okay of of those like okay, of the linebackers that we think are kind of bad, wouldn't a one handed chat Griffin be better than some of those guys we've talked about, some those linebackers that we would keep Mitch possible. You know, y'all, are y'all are calling me a hater? No, no, nobody's calling you a hat I am. I am you taking check Griffin over, Darius Leonard. Let me check my board, because the board

will never lie to you. If the board never lies, the board will absolutely never lie to you. Board set you free line. But this isn't even my board. I have too many people's boards in front of me right now because I'm doing a project. I'll let you know in a minute. I need to find my board. I have him over Leonard. How about Fred Warner? I have him over Fred Warner from b YU, So you're comfortable with that. I just am a fan of the player. I just I don't think you could have him behind Leonard?

All right, so you would go Leonard, Jeff, I have him behind Warner. But I'm about to move Warner because that's wrong. That's the beauty of a board. Warner just got motion. If you're not actually making the picks, Yeah, Warner just got moved down. I am sorry. I just I those top top one hundred picks are just so important. Yeah, I bet you're gonna get a guy that can play. I know you are, but can play well. I think he's gonna play well. I don't he don't. Don't deny

that kid. You have to you don't have to put any limitations on what he can do. I think football, go get it. That's my limitations. What about what if you if you need a ride to the plane, I'll get you to the plane too. If I think if Jalen's on your roster, he fits just fine. Yeah, if you need to compliment Jalen, so it's fine between the two of them. Will have one complete linebacker. Right, that's awesome. You picked one of them at thirty four. Yeah, I'm

trying to get the other one at eighty one. They they picked him at thirty four. Why or why not on the part of the company. Here we go, I'm a company man. Why or why not? On Arden? Key? Okay, can I do why not? No? Because that's what I'm gonna say. Okay, go ahead. I just we just did this. We just got out. We're actually we're still on this train because Randy Gregory's expected to apply for reinstatement. I just no, just no. You don't want is it You don't want to do with it as a journalist, or

you don't want to deal with it as well. Selfishly, I don't want to deal with it, Key, because you've seen him. I mean, that was our guy. Selfishly, I don't want to deal with it in the sense of like the story, but just draft a guy you can

count on to be there. How much I had this conversation with somebody just off the record, off the air the other day, like how much better would this team be right now if Randy Gregory had played forty or more games in his career, Like if he had been a meaningful part of all thy eight games, like how much better would they be? They'd probably be a lot better, yea. And instead it's just this gaping hole where they got nothing. What if they do that again? Let that be somebody

else's gamble. Man. I'm not I'm not down. So you're saying you're you're saying they should learn their lesson from Art and Key, because I if at eighty one you could maybe talk me into it, I start. I'm definitely not doing it at fifty or definitely not ninety. I think eighty one's too early for the player on tape. Which tape did you watch last year? Last year? To watch the year before that? If you're willing, well, if

you do Landry, Landry going to do it for Landry? No, no, no, because Harold Landry, from all I know, is a decent character guy who is going out there and trying to play football. Arden Key is a guy who you have character questions about, you have Randy Gregory questions about, and then in the job interview for his career to save his career, he looked fat, out of shape and disinterested. Go. I mean all of that's true. If you get to the sixth round, Dave that we'll talk to you. How

dare you? That's not that Art? He couldn't play last year, he wasn't a good football player. Two years ago, he was one of the best pass rushers in LSU history. Yeah, I'm just saying they had some good defensive ends. Yeah, they have. And this year was his job interview and he was fat. Well he came. Yeah, the whole thing. I thought when he went away on the sabbatical that he was going to come back ready to play, and

he was. I don't want to spend a top one hundred pick on a guy that needs a sabbatical, yet the sabbatical works. I'd move you up around a guy who's had a sabbatical. That's like getting married. But that's a life shift. He's going to Cincinnati. I don't. I just don't Cincinnatty. If Art and Key got it together over that offseason, he'd have been in shape. No, it's and and he wouldn't literally anybody else that he played

his way into shape last Yeah, that's awful. I'm not I don't know that ain't arkag No, that's not the right kind of guy. And that's Garrett. If Garrett. Hopefully Garrett's in that draft room on Friday or Saturday, being like, didn't we just do this? Might taking crazy? But Gregory was good. No, and Randy Gregory's last on the phone conversation that Garrett was coach. You're not gonna have to worry about me. I think Garrett had to be convinced

to take you know. And and let's be honest, they brought Arton Key and who was here we'd normally see Galvin Hill. Calvin Hill was here having lunch with arden Key, so mart Man, so we'll see what figure out. Okay, we're down to our last few minutes here coming out of this draft. You're gonna be happy or disappointed when you when when it's all said and done, when you walk out of here, are you gonna be happy or you to be disappointed when we do the final when

the final picks made on Saturday. Atter. Better of fact, folks, we're on with Dallas Cowboys dot Com and all the platforms on with the Window five three with Jeff and Kat as well, so we're we'll all be talking about this like we are now. But when you come out of here on Saturday evening, how are you going to feel about this draft. I think I'll be disappointed. I think I'm gonna be satisfied. I'm not gonna be fist

pumping and back flipping. But I'm not gonna be upset either, because you've got too many picks to where they're not going to do something you like. You know, they're even and I don't expect them to make all ten, but they'll probably make seven or eight. And if you add seven or eight guys to your team in one weekend, you're gonna like a few of them, you know, yeah, you know you probably. I probably won't be freaking out.

I've already resigned myself to the thought that I'm not gonna love the first round pick for one reason or another. I just hope it's I hope it's useful, like defensive tackle line. You make your team better doing that. Maybe it's not a guy who's gonna contend for defensive Rookie of the Year. Maybe we get our guy James Daniels, which that would be exciting, But I don't think I'm gonna come out of it just like, yeah, this is amazing. But I think it'll be somewhere in between. You can't

screw up. When you're making this many picks, you can't screw them all up, not with their track record over the last five or six years. Jeffrey, I'm a I'm a glass half empty guy. I assume it's gonna go in a way that I hate it, so that if it doesn't, I can be really really happy. And if it does, that's cool. I expected that just looking at

their visits and listening to it. I just I'm worried that what they're gonna do in the first round is they're gonna pick a linebacker, and I'm gonna think it's a reach, and I'm gonna want to be wrong, but that's going to be what I'm going to think when the first round is over. So that's my biggest worry is that they're gonna take a linebacker in the first round. I'm not gonna like the pick, and I'm just gonna hope that I did a bad job about Let me go,

let me go hypothetical here real quick. Let's let's say that they do take the linebacker and you don't love it, but it's it feels a need. What if you just absolutely love pick fifty. Let's say it's let's say it's Michael. Let's say it's Michael Gallo. I'll be right back. All right, there you go. Yeah, and that's the point. You got enough picks and there's enough good players in this draft

that we get Corbett at eighty one. Sure if you want them all right back above us here at the at the bar, here Todd Archer is doing a mock draft for ESPN, and he just picked Layton Vanderish. Shocking, He's shocking. I'm six four, two fifty six and if you are two hundred and five pounds, he'll run me over. So yeah, so Archer, Archer, Yeah, it's just something here, I got all these TVs and who did you guys

are talking? He picked Tacco showing all the missed tackles. Yeah, well here's uh again, uh Todd Archer from ESPN Dallas. Uh he's or ESPN excuse me, picked Layton Vanderish. So here we go with that. So this more than any year, you know, you're it's just it's kind of nondescript, like you're not picking at the top, you're not picking at the very back. You're right there, no man's land. So

what are the odds? I mean, the way the draft work says, You're probably not going to be thrilled about a lot of the guys you get, because right in the middle, you wide receiver, I'll be happy. You're not getting that back of the round value where it's like the best second round pick, and you're not getting the top of the round, so you're just kind of you're getting the leftovers. So you know, if they pick a linebacker at nineteen, it's not going to excite anybody, but

I think it is useful they need it. If they draft a wide receiver, I don't think it's gonna be a guy that's gonna contend for Rookie of the Year, but I think it'll be useful. That's I think I'm gonna come out of this draft saying, I'm not rushing out to buy any of these guys jerseys, but I think they made their team better. Like that's how I feel like I'm gonna feel. We'll talk about that today and as we get close this down. Jerry thought that

his team was better. Yeah, that his team was better after which the end of the season, he said, you think crazy. He thinks they're better because they have clarity about what they need to do, which bates. So He's says the clarity meant that they know. They don't have said you think we're better, because we have clarity, that we know where we're bad. That's basically what he says. They're not better today. Obviously they're they're clearly worse. But

it also doesn't matter because you don't play. They're not for a while. The draft is not done yet. They're not better the draft. It matters by Sunday. By Sunday afternoon, when the priority free agent class is done signing, they'll be That's what you need to be better. They'll be just as good, if not better. I think that's fair. Are they closer to the Eagles? Or is there's still this cavern we think super Bowl too? Is somebody finally gonna win the NFC East twice in or own? Yeah? Yeah,

I don't. Where's the talent? Where's the relations to the Eagles? I don't. Eagles don't have a big hole. They don't have a big hole on the roster. I know. I just I don't think of the NFL that way like the Eagle. The Eagles went from seven to nine or and yeah, and the Cowboys were thirteen three the year before that, like it's there by Sunday. I think the Eagles will be the better team. But I don't look at it as like this cavernous gap that nobody can

hope to overcome. If they add guys like guy, oh God, you're gonna get to make luxury picks and then and sometimes players fall right in your lap. That's what happens when when you're winning the Super Bowl, absolutely right, and it's gonna be Connor Williams. He's gonna fall in their lap and he's gonna take over for Jason Peters in a year, and they're just gonna keep cruising better. Connor Williams and Darius guys. The pick is going. I'm gonna stick with the guy I've been Rashaun Evans. I just

I'm just gonna stick with it. Yeah, Calvin Ridley, Okay, I'm gonna speaking into existence. Yeah, I'll stick with it. I've said it all along. They're gonna take Layton Vanderish. Yeah. I think so. We've been pretty consistent with that. I happened. I'm not I'm not thinking. I think Michael Gallup, I think you jumped onto that before that. I've jumped on that and you know what, I hope I'm wrong to

be honest with you. Push push, Harold Landry. There's nothing better than a good story of a guy overcome what we think. Yeah, let's go Vanderish all right, guys, Hey, thank you guys so much for all your insight. I'm gonna thank everybody out here at Henry's Tavern. We had a great time. It's nice to the Draft show that I couldn't think of a better spot for the Draft Show to be at to start out. Hopefully time we do this, it'll be time. Yeah, next time, it will

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