Draft Show: Final Thoughts & Looking to 2018

Dane Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive producer. Welcome back to the final episode of the Draft Show. It has been a interesting journey, to say the least. We had our three day coverage of the NFL Draft. I want to thank everybody that listened commented all those things. It was very, very positive. It's very nice to hear from

the fans that they enjoyed our coverage. That and I went back and you know, I'm this big body's trying to get back in running shape again because we got some half marathon we're supposed to do before the Kansas City game in November, so I've got to find a way to muster it up one more time. But I went back and listened to Yeah, six months, we'll work

on that. But I went back and listened to the draft, the actual draft itself, you know, with with our coverage, and I thought it was an entertaining when you're when you're doing it, you're really not thinking about it, you know, you're not, You're just kind of reacting to what's happening. And I'm going, man, there's a lot of good information going on here, a lot of discussion, a lot of you know, cowboy angles. We got the trade back in on day three that we were trying to, you know,

talk about how that was going to happen. But that was just a lot of fun. That was that was three days of fun. And I yeah, and someone goes, yeah, you were on the radio for eighteen hours whatever, and it didn't even seem like And even when it got down to the end, it didn't seem like it because then we had mister Irrelevant with Chad Kelly and all that. So there was still a storyline even with the very last pick, you know, and maybe this draft more so

than any of the other ones we've done. I feel like we were we were better prepared, and therefore the audience, I hope was better prepared. I think this draft had the fewest number of curveballs, like every single guy, maybe with the exception of Ivy and Carol, who were your last two pits. But the big names were guys that we thoroughly discussed and thoroughly vetted on this show, all

of them going all the way from Taco Shadobe. Even I mean Lewis maybe wasn't on our radar as much as other guys, but we covered him at the Senior Bowl. We talked about him pretty thoroughly with the off field stuff. So yeah, you know, even thinking back a couple of years, obviously we joke all the time about Swain kind of

came out of nowhere. Ryan Russell was a guy that I don't remember being on our radar as much as others, but this one, like, I felt like this was as prepared as I've ever been for the picks that they wound up making, whether it's Xavier Woods or even again even Ryan Switzer, who not a guy that's super high on your radar, but definitely a guy that we talked.

I was a surprise though, you know that, Yeah, that was the first you know, they chose to go the direction that they did in the first and second round. I mean, I think that we were surprised that Rivers was still on the board at sixty in bash them on the board, whether you want to be or not, Like, yeah, officially you're in the camp Like now, oh, I am in that camp where when I think I've got the I've got the I've got the tent up and the

fire out front. When I think about the twenty seventeen draft, I'm gonna be like, all right, let's see how Kevin King Derek were absolutely albash and pan out. Absolutely, that's what the alternative reality could have been. See that that to me, and you know, they brought guys in and what we've learned. What we've learned is, you know, there's some guys that they brought in and just because they

brought them in, you know, they alerted us. It said Stephen Jones, Hey, don't don't feel like because we brought these guys in that we were going to select them. I mean, I feel like, though we go back with McDowell, Malik McDowell right, kind of getting a vibe that the interview process with Malik McDowell didn't go well while you bring them in. Yeah, Tankers Lee was another one. We

were cheerleading for Tankers Lely a little bit. I'll be completely honest, and that you know, we've been doing this for a while, so you know, me at Kulpa, that's on me for not really putting that together. But the thought really didn't cross my mind that you're gonna hate some of these guys you bring in on thirty visits, right, They're not all going to knock again. Yeah, that's that's I think a very valuable lesson that we learned that the thirty visits are important because you look at you

look at you look at who they drafted. Taco was a thirty visit, a Woozier, a thirty visit, Lewis, thirty visit Switzer. No that Xavier was though, but Xavier was Ye was in consideration at one thirty three. Yeah, so exactly. So, you know, it's it's kind of a guidepost for what

they were doing. It's a great guide post. But it's funny, you know, it's funny to sit here and think, you know, we talked about Tanker's leave a lot leading up to and a lot during the draft because he fell so far and we're like, hey, this this could be it because he's a thirty visit and there they they didn't want him, clearly taught me. Taught me into potentially pouring

water on my fire and packing up my tent. About those first two picks, you know you were I'm under the oppression that I felt like that Lewis will probably be a better player than a Woozier. That's me. I just feel like watching the tape that you know, that's the one question, Taco. You know, Okay, I get it, I get what they were doing right, But the Woozier pick is the one that's kind of got me. And I'm glad they came back with the Lewis pick because I feel like that, you know, we might see Lewis

playing and a Woozier being an inactive guy. Well, what do we talk about when a Woozier was drafted, was he's a great nickel. You know, he can play a little safety, he can play outside corner, but nickel really is where he could fit best as splitzer as you know that versatile athleticism that he has. And then they come back in the third and get Jordan Lewis, who better even better nickel. Yeah, probably the best nickel in this draft. So what does that mean for a Woozier?

The fact that he can play safety, the fact that you know you're willing to try and put your best four or five six defensive backs on the field, and a Woozia is one of those guys. So it's just how do they mix and match? How do they get their best four or five on the field at one time? Because they're going to run a lot of sub package. It doesn't really matter if these guys start, No, the starting part of it, it's it's it's if you're on

the forty six, what are you doing right? Well? I think that start stat can be a little deceiving because so much of what the Cowboys run will be subpackage, will be nickel, absolutely, and so it's percentage of snaps plate that is the more important stat here. And like I said, I think when they try to get your best five defensive backs out there, a Woozier will be one of them. How do you but how where does he line up? And? Yeah, how do they use them

that that would be the key. It's interest. I mean that extends to the entire defensive back deepth chart. Really, Like I was talking about this with Right. You know, you know your football team. How do they line up that? I don't know. It's baffling because literally all of their corners now, like what he just said about a Woozier and Lewis like, you can play outside and shift a

little bit, probably best at Nickel. Doesn't that describe like every single corner on the Endrick, Yeah, that's Scandrick's bag. We know Carol can do it. We saw Brown can do it as well. Like I don't know how to project who's gonna be where when the season starts. I would guess. I would guess that they'll give Carol a shot at one of the outside jobs because of what

they're paying him and his veteran experience. I guessed despite what Dane just said, I guessed a Woozier as an outside corner first, because they said they want to start him on the outside because the easiest place to start. Top of that, he's now the biggest corner on the team right Physically, he's got that Brandon Carr type of build where he can deal with those outside guys. Um,

but I don't know. And then but then you think about if you talk about a Woozier and Lewis, if they're both good enough to play right away, all of a sudden, Anthony Brown, who were also high on, is like your fourth or fifth corner. That's crazy, Like I don't really know how it all shakes out. That is really their biggest corner. He's six one two o two I think, or he's just shy of six one, he's just shive six foot. He's just six foot okay that

even still oh they play was short. But yeah even at five okay, even if I thought he was six foot, even at five eleven two o two, he's still like their stockist guy. I mean, Anthony Brown weighs like right right buck eighty and five or Scandrick is you know Scandricks on the shorter side. He's I mean, he's certainly one of their two biggest corners right now. Yeah, that's it's you know, you back to what kind of you were talking about, how curveballs and we didn't really we

weren't thrown off by a lot. When you look at their draft, they drafted nine players really only three positions defensive backs, wide receivers, defensive line. Oh but we thought that, didn't we go in And that's why we were kind of thinking there might be there might be a running back in there possible. We thought that maybe the bits are kind of pills that he fits that bill of what we were looking for though, like he's not gonna line up at running back, but he kind of fits

that bill. As I asked somebody that was in the war roomaget back on that day three, I asked him about Pumphrey was in the discussion and then he went to Philadelphia. I mean he was in the discussion with Switzer. They kind of said that, yeah, they were, they didn't know what to do, and then Philly made it easy

for Yeah, they were there. But the discussion that Pumphrey was potentially the fact that didn't the react action we didn't see there in the Ford Center warroom camp, the fact that they didn't react when pump Like nobody just went ballistic when Pumphrey was picked. They had an idea of what they wanted to do. Sorry, go ahead, I was just gonna I think Switzer fits them, Like I said, he fits the bill of a lot of what we're

talking about. But would you rather have Pumphrey just because he kind of he legitimately can address two positions, well three if you count return. Well, Dane will argue with me that we haven't seen him as a returner. We haven't. That's facts that that is true. Give me the get i've seen. Now, we've seen him at the Senior Bowl. I mean, we've seen him work, you know, pro team work him in the drills and stuff, look comfortable doing it. But we've seen, oh, I've seen Ryan Switzer as a returner.

And Stephen Jones said the same thing after the draft was over, and I think I tried to I asked him about it. He didn't really give me the answer I wanted. But I think that extends to their entire draft. Like with the needs that they had, this entire draft was about give me the guy that I've seen do it on tape. I'll, you know, give me the less athletic Oh that's why the T. J. Watson. Give me the less athletic end who has played end his whole career, as opposed to the guy who maybe is a good

end but has never played it before. It's really interesting that they've kind of gone away from what we thought that this front office was kind of trending towards, you know, spark in the athletic profiles, and you know, they went with the football character, right guys. You know, the less questions give us the better football players, maybe not as much upside as some other players. So that part's interesting. I did want to ask you about this wide receiver

depth chart of these four receivers. Do you think all four will make the roster at a training camp? Between Noah Brown, Switzer, Lucky Whitehead, and Butler. See that's where I don't think they're married to the last two. I don't think they're married to Lucky, and I don't think they're married to Butler. Oh there's well, I mean logic and you know, just crunching the numbers tells you they're not married to him. Lucky he's got a year left

on an undrafted deal, and Butler's one year. It's basically making he's thinking a little more than VET minimum, but not a substantial amount of money at all. And Noah browns a seventh rounder or you know, a late round pick. So it's not like they're married necessarily to him, but I think they depending on what he shows in training camp. You know, I don't think it'd be a shock if they kept Noah Brown over a white head or Butler

let me. I kind of look at Noah Brown like they did with Cavon Frasier, right, you know, I look at him and old guy. Yeah, I think they keep me him spreadshirt. Yeah, if he's not good, he's your fifty third. I could see. Maybe I could, and it's sneaking him through. Might not be. I'm saying that right now. I think I could see them keeping six receivers for that very reason, and I don't think it would be that hard to do based on two quarterbacks, just that

you got. I don't think you're going to carry a third quarterback. I think they're gonna go light on offensive line like they like to do. Your linebacker depth charts pretty much set today as far as I'm concerned. I've kind of I've been looking at this, and there's ways

to do it. If you really if you really feel like you're not comfortable leaning on Brown as a rookie and you don't want to let Butler go or whatever, I think you could do six receivers on this team if you really had to, or you know, between between Noah Brown and Andy Jones, one of those guys you can sneak through the bell. Andy Andy Jones is the one guy that has been here. Yeah, he's the one

guy that they they understand. Andy Jones had a darned good chance of making this football team last year and then he the very end, he hit the rookie wall and couldn't finish the deal. Who's better Noah Brown Randy Jones? I take Noah Brown myself. I'm and this happens everything. I've seen Noah Brown play a bunch. I like Noah Brown. I I went on they guess say on. I was on Sean and RJ on one oh five three and I said something about the route running. How a big

body lee. He remind me of Dez Bryant running those those inside routes and stuff like, that's all you have and that's and that's what people. Yeah, they picked that up, of course they did. Nationally picked that up. That's okay. He's a big body guy running routes, very physical, very physical. That's that's why that's why City reminded me of Dez Bryant.

I don't think he'll be better than Bryce and Butler by the end of training camp, but I think his up he's tough, for his upside is just yeah, freaking his hell, which is why I would not. I mean, we'll see how training camp shakes out. Maybe he has five nine guy I wouldn't. I wouldn't cut this guy. No, he was supposed to be. He was supposed to be the guy at Ohio State last year or two fifteen. Broke his leg in the summer, so he missed all of two fifteen, came back this year. At Ohio State offense,

the passing on the quarterback was awful. I'm not sure how much it was. I mean, j T. Bart was definitely part of the problem. Part of it was the offensive line. I think part of it was on Noah Brown when you watched the film and he just wasn't getting open consistently. I mean, it was everyone involved. So now seeing Noah Brown here in an NFL training camp,

eager to see how he responds to that. I think you're right about needing almost a red shirt year miss a player who was a red shirt sophomore at Ohio State probably only one season of experience, so he's I don't think he's quite ready to face you know, he is very physical. I don't think he's ready to face press NFL corners on a consistent basis. Like to see

if he bullies to these guys in training camp. I think it battles, because what will happen is Dez Bryant will take a liking to this kid because he looks like him. He does, he looks he looks like Dez. He's a six three two twenty pound guy, and Dez will take and this kid will watch Dez get violent with these corners, and these corners will fight him back, you know, and and and all of a sudden, Noah Brown will be a guy. It's like, whoa, I can I can get away with this. I can bully these

guys a little bit. I can just and I'm calling my shot. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can just see during the season when you do your inactives on Friday, he's an inactive the guy he's in slot number one as ye like, I'm he's too good to let go. Oh, I understand. I would be impressed if he if he really earns a significant role, right, so you know, and it's it would just project fifty three. I mean, just if you had to, if you had to bet right now, fifty three on the fifty three. Brown, Yeah, no, Brown,

I think so. Yeah, I think so. Because he's not going to make it on the practice squad some of the team I think would scoop him up. Um. But yeah, I do think he'll make the fifty three. And I think this team carries six receivers and like I said, a minute, it's interesting. I mean two quarterbacks probably four running backs, eight linemen. Maybe you get away with three tight ends to help you out with that if you want to, depending on James Hanns. No, actually I take

that back. They have to carry four tight ends. Yeah, yeah, No, I think I think Rico makes the fifty three. This we're not talking about this Marquez White at all. No, he is. And see that's what that's is the forgotten man. Yeah, you could. You could go a lot of different directions with this draft class, and then all of a sudden you look down there at pick two, sixteen in the

sixth round, and nobody's talking about this guy. Anytime I have to list the picks off or getting I'm like, wow, who was that, Oh, Mark Quaiz White, That's right, like every single time. But and I think he's a good player too. It's it's not fair to him. Just I think, well, I just in the sixth round though, I think we had him on our one oh five three board in the fifth and I think we were a little high

on him. Yeah, I'm just to me. I just I had more negative notes than I did positive notes about him. He's a traits prospects. I mean, you're drafting for the traits and you want to develop those traits. I mean, he's a foreign basketball player. Watch him be the best

corner out of this group. Hey, if he does Anthony Brown, that would actually probably that would make their life a living hell because then you're talking about you know, I mean, you can cut a sixth round pick, but if he's out playing guys that you spent, that you invested in, that's I mean, that's I'm worried about. Was he a I am worried about I'm worried about him in what respect.

I think he's a good player, but I don't know if he could be a great player that I mean, I think he could be a steady But I loved I love Lewis. I love Jordan Lewis. I think that I feel more confident in that pick than I do a woozy A. Well when you especially when you consider the value. I hope I'm wrong. Sixty. I hope I'm wrong. I don't think you're alone in that though, And I mean, obviously I'm more nervous about what kind of player he

could be. I think if you and I have, I've been pulling people in the building since the draft, just like, Hey, which how do you feel? Who'd you like? Who's your favorite? And Lewis is the answer more often than not. Yeah, But that's like Dane said, that's a value thing too. I mean, you're talking about Dane. I'm sorry. We were talking about what we were talking about white and you get him at ninety two. Yeah, we were talking about white. So it's just about all the corners, you know. Yeah,

you brought it up. Hey, we're talking about keeping six receivers. Here's a fun exercise for anybody listening at home. Go cut this dB depth chart down. Yeah, you're you're probably gonna keep ten. That's the standard. But although, like I just said, I think you could finagle it to keep eleven if you really have to, but I think you have to. Another thing too, is you're gonna hear a lot of You're gonna see a lot of tweets coming from camp from the rookie camp this weekend. Just kind

of tap the brakes on all that. Just wait till you get to training camp. Wait till you have full team roster, Wait till you have everybody has the opportunity to learn what's going on, and then when we get out there and get competitive out in Oxnard, because a lot a lot of snap judgments are gonna be made this weekends playing these guys are even gonna be going against each other really no, no, but the but the the rookie guys, I mean with the rookie is going

against rookies. That's what I'm bout. Like, I feel like they're gonna limit the competitive portions of this came. You're gonna say, just more teaching. Yeah, it's been that way in that way the last year it's on air. Yeah. Yeah, Like I mean, if you want to get excited about Xavier Wood high pointing a ball during and drill like against nobody, I'm just saying, you just have to be a little bit careful about that, Yeah, because we tend to like somebody will see something on Twitter and they'll

make a snap judgment about it. It's you know, it's interesting. I mean they kept five five corners and five safeties last year. Yeah, and they've done six and four in the years before that. I don't know what to do with this right now. And you know, if a guy like Mark Wez White out plays his status on the day, I mean, that'll only make it even more challenging. I got you like interesting. All right, Well, we're gonna take our first break and when we come back, we're gonna

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Austin Ordesler Tyler, we can help you in Texas. Call two one four nine four one eighty three is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com drafts back here on the draft show for the final time from the s WBC Mortgage Studios Brian broad Us, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Kent Garrison. Uh with you today. Uh, I want to get into Dane. And I was listening to the while I was out getting again this big body around a track. I was listening to Trust the tape. Yes, Jeff Kavanaugh on myself,

Jeff Kavanaugh. And it's a podcast that everybody should listen to. And hopefully you guys do it throughout. No, you're talking about doing it, you know, once a week. Yeah, seeing how the fans support would be on it, we'll probably take off, you know, May or something. We'll be back in June and we'll all get ready for the season start talking about NFL college football. Yeah, definitely plan on doing it. So and you guys got into more so

your winners the losers in the draft. I mean, you know it's hard to say losers because I had had a personnel man, tell me one time after the ninety eight draft, you heard this story before God rest his soul, John Gohler. I'll call you out on that, John Golder, who was taken over in Philadelphia for US. He goes. You just had the worst draft in the history of the National Football And I said, you want to give it a couple of years. He says, nah, you had

a bad draft. Three years later for the eight picks made the Pro Bowl. We traded for Hugh Douglas. So it worked out pretty good. So if Andy Reid, I say, Andy Reid did it pretty good. You know, once they drafted Don mcnad, they worked out. I'm not bitter. I just I wish it. I'm not bitter. I just wished that people would give, you know, give these drafts an opportunity. Yeah, you know, let him materialize. But right now we can, you know, we can have a little fun with it

because you take your board. I like to take my board and look at Okay, who had a good draft according to my board or my top fifty or my top one hundred. Right, it's very self serving. Yeah, you know, I mean it's just winners and this it's just based on how we individually graded players. Right. You know, one of your winners might not be a winner for me, just based on how we grade the player. Oh no, absolutely, I mean I was. I was my my number one winner,

and I'll just give it to you right now. Is the Los Angeles Chargers, that was my number one team. Their average if I looked at their board just real quick as off my draft board or one oh five three draft board, their average election was two point eight of the players that they took. I'm bad, no right there, Hey, I was we were talking about on the draft day, you know, need to Tom told they need to have

a good draft out there. And Los Angeles they got Mike Williams to start, and then didn't they draft like two starter calibers, four slam eight overall like eeny Yeah, I mean it was incredible. That's a that's a hey, nobody likes us in our new home and let's yeah. No, I mean, if you're giving some help, if if you know, if if they in fact do fire that general manager out there, I think just looking at my I'd like

to step been there. If they've got the if they've got Mike Williams, Fort Lamp, Dan Feeney, Ray, Shawn Jenkins safety from Miami who we liked, Desmond King about Yeah, yeah, Sam the kid Sam Tavilla, I always say his name wrong to hey, Teddy, excuse me, to yeah, Sam to be from Utah and Isaac Rochelle. On my board they went one two, two, three, two seven three. Yeah, that's a draft. I mean that's a draft for me. And you know, I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with this cat.

That's absolutely that's great, and I think they got good value on all that. But I think to Dane's point, it, I mean it is kind of self serving. You you love those guys, somebody else hates those guys. That's okay. Somebody hating my draft in ninety eight, that's for sure. And John Goehler, it's it's a great away really afterwards. It's a great stat that Stephen Jones provided us with on Saturday night. He's I think four of their picks

were in their top six eight. Everybody likes to draft. Well, I'm just like, well, duh, they're high on your board, that's why you picked them. Yeah, so I mean bad, how good they are? We know how many players they had on their board overall. I mean it could have been und by the way I got confirmation Cook was the last first round grade they had on their board. When they Cook at twenty eight, I could have sworn on Thursday night they said it was Oh, I thought it was a corner two. But it but a guy

told me it was it was cook. Why even put a first round like not that you not that you think he's undraftable, but why not just take him off your board? Then you know you're not going to draft him in the first round if he was there at sick No, that's you gotta you gotta do your board. You gotta put your names up there. Isn't that window dressing your board to have a first round grade on a guy you know you're never gonna take and put the names up there. I see your point. I'm saying,

I understand there's no chance. And it's always an argument the best player and all. I get it and that and if I think you have to put your board up there, that's another happens on top of the thirty visit lesson. Not every thirty visit's going to be a guy that they want. The other lesson that I really learned is to a certain degree, and there's it makes

sense and it's a worthwhile strategy. But the whole BPA, you know what your grades, it's all lip service to a degree because it's some there's a list available, need there's a line where you're like, you're not just gonna take a guy because I'll argue with you and I'll lose every time. Yeah, and I'll lose the argument because it it doesn't work out there way you said. Mike mcagnan, And on the Trust to Tape, he drafted two safeties and two wide receivers. He he believes the best player available.

He really does, but not every GM does what I'm saying, all right. I think the top ten this year kind of showed that. I mean, how many skill players went on the top ten this year? I mean Corey Davis. I like Corey Davis. He's not the fifth best player in the draft. Mike Williams. I like Mike Williams's seventh best player in the draft. You know what I mean. It's just the way the skill players kind of went

off the board this year. Who saw that coming. I would also argue at Mike mcagnan is a good example, and at the Cleveland Browns right now are another pretty good example. There are only so many teams that have the luxury to do that. Again, and you talk a lot of it in the city. You talk a lot about Jerry Jones having comp you know, he can do what he wants because he's not gonna get fired. Well, if you're confident that the Jets know they're going into

a rebuild right now, you can make those types. But that GM might get fired. Yeah, but GM and coach you never know what that But they do with the Bears, you know what, they get the quarterbacks. The head coach thinks he might be getting fired. Well, and that's why they went and got Glenn and paid them all that money. So yeah, keep the head coach happy. But you know what, you hopefully we don't see Trubisky this year only in mop up duty. Maybe, you know, on same thing with

Mahomes mop up duty. Bears are gonna be like way out in front of some people, or we might see him the whole month of December, mop up the blood bath after they're losing. Yeah, yeah, okay, I talked about the Chargers give me, give me your three. Well, kind of back to your original point about you know, how we view these things differently. I loved I agree with you. I really like what the Chargers did, but they didn't even make my top five. So it's just it's interesting

how it works. Enjoy that mint chocolate chip ice cream. Dave I like. I like Dane's top five a lot. I already I read it after the draft. Cowboys made it a number five. You know, Taco Charlton was four point two on my board. Yeah, you know, in which where had that rank overall? Kind of middle of the road, middle of the road. Yeah. Actually, if you want to just go nfcast Philadelphia four point one, Dallas four point two, Giants four point three, and the Redskins were four point eight.

But they had multiple selections. They had ten selections. Just wait to we get to the Redskins. But see, I like the Woozia and Jordan Lewis a lot more than you did. You know, both those guys were top fifty from me, that's the question. And that Yeah, that kind of that moves the needle. So the Cowboys came at number five, number four. The Lions for me, I liked what they did on defense. See, the Lions were one of the worst. For me, I had them at five

point three. Order like, just let that's fine about twenty twenty. Yeah, that's funny. I mean Jared Davis, I love the linebacker from Florida, second round pick, first round grader on me tease Taber you like the more n I did like in the second round. Yeah, Kenny Galladay. Who for those of you that play fantasy football, keep an eye and Kenny Galladay. Yeah, you know he's not gonna get drafted his highest Corey Davis and Mike Williams. Kenny Galladay stwhere

in your face sweeper getting him? Heck yeah, he's gonna be their number three yr sive you think he's gonna score eight touchdowns this year? Kenny Galladay? Yeah, Kenny Golladay, Um, okay, number three the Redskins. I mean, look at this value, Jonathan Allen and at seventeen overall, Ryan Anderson, we can debate in the second round, Sure we can. Uh, Fabian Moreau in the third. I like that one. That one. I love the Redskins draft. I think it might be my favorite of all of them. Som J P. Ryan

in the fourth. Yeah, okay, and then that's where it ends, right, My got no way. My guy ends shoplifter Sprinkles and Jerry Sprinkle. Okay, it's a fifth round guy on my board. He went in the fifth round. Chase Ruler. Ruler was a seven. From there on out, it's six and sevens. Give me I like what they did. Give me the first five. I think the first five me Alan. I like Anderson more than a lot of people like him.

To Moreau is your baby, like you're oh. And then add in a guy like p Ryan who can certainly contribute, if not start right away, and I like sprinkle. I think that's a great haul right there. I don't even care about the right I agree. Rand Anderson's one of those guys where I'm not sure exactly where he plays. The athletic testing was in, but yeah, I was. He's

he's got their bodies hidden somewhere. He's yeah, he's like, all right, maybe he's like a two down linebacker who has a limited role, but he's gonna knock the snot out of people's and just be He's gonna be the guy that gets in a yelling match with Dez on the fifty before the game. It's kind of like a Woozier, like you know what I mean, right, did you did you say Cincinnati, I'm on number three or I'm sorry, Cincinnati, go ahead number two? The Cleveland Browns with five picks

in the top sixty five, they should have done well. Yeah, and that actually the Browns here ten selections. They had ten selections. Their average on my board was three point nine. Well, Myles Garrett. The moment they took Myles Garrett number one overall, boom, they were all winner. But then you have drill peppers like I guess. The one thing I had an issue with the Browns draft they traded away from Millie Cooker. Oh that rush him for that though? I do that

rush him on the on the podcast. Yeah, because that I'm not trading away from the second best player in the draft. In my opinion, you would have got one two on your board if they would have done absolutely. And but a part of this is they picked up a first round or next year. We'll have to wait and see what that first round or next year it turns into maybe that they used that to go up and get a quarterback. Maybe they you know, who knows what that first pick for the Texans will be next year.

So that that's part of that discussion. Uh Na Joeku in the first round at twenty nine, you know he's gonna, I think contribute right away. Fifty two overall, Deshaun Kaiser one of my favorite picks in the draft. Yeah, I knew this was coming. Well, Look, I don't see a huge difference in terms of uh upside in terms of being starting quarterbacks in the NFL between Deshaun Watson and Deshaun Kaiser. And so you can get Deshaun Kaiser forty

picks after not give up a first round pick. Yeah, after forty picks after Watson goes off the board at that kind of value outside the top fifty picks, give it to me all day. So we argued on draft day about what Watson might do this year. So if they're that close, I mean, how many games are you expecting Kaiser to start this year? We'll see him just because the Browns need to need to see him. Yeah, is there gonna be picking there's one to go up

there and get a quarterback. It's not gonna look like a great pick if they go after Sam Darnold next year or who well, and that's that's why they need and that's why that's Browns well the quarterba it's a quarterback graveyard. It suri is it is, it is. They they're the one team. If I was the owner of the Browns, if if I was, I would ask my general manager, what is our problem with evaluating quarterbacks here, what, let's do a study. Why do we miss quarterbacks so much?

They did, and they the answer came up, we should draft Teddy Bridgewater and they didn't. They drafted Johnny Manziel. So, I mean, it's just look, it doesn't They've gone through so many different decision makers and people in the front office that they make it painful there when they evaluate quarterbacks. They might as well just skip the day. You know. Part of this is Kaiser is a fifty second pick overall, a lottery ticket with those odds. That's awesome. That's awesome.

Oh no, I understand. I was just gonna give him Draft Peterman here, you know, watch what's gonna be all day over Peterman? What's gonna I know, But I'm just saying I was. I was agreen with your lottery quarterback bit. What'll be painful is when our guy Kessler beats him out like easily, like Jie Kessler for days. Look, Kaiser is twenty one years old. How many twenty one year old starting quarterbacks are there? You know, I mean, there's

there's there's not many. No, Kaiser won't start the season. He shouldn't. I hope he doesn't. He needs a little bit of time, but we'll see him at some point during the season. For no other reason than the Browns need to know. Hey, what do you got kids? Month of December? What if five games? Four games? Pro bowler Cody Kessler and I sell anybody on that vision. Maybe if twelve quarterbacks get hurt in the FC yikes, Oh damn.

I like when Dane throws shade. He doesn't do it, not very often, but when he does, it's particularly hard to get your five there. Number one Sincinnate Bengals, number one since SAT Bengals. Look, I don't disagree with they're they're going for it. Andy Dalton is basically in his prime. You know who he's ready to go. Mervin Lewis has been a coach there for thirty two years now. It's been a long time. He's got something going there. Unbelievable.

So John Ross top ten. Oh, I like it. Risk reward, I mean year, Joe Mixon risk reward in the second round, plus they traded back pick up another fourth round or that's not Josh mull I didn't know they traded there Cincinnat I didn't think their phones worked. Hey, I've never made a trade with Cincinnati. They just don't like you. They don't they well they're they're probably not aggressive making

those calls. They'll take them, okay. And yeah, so the Vikings went up and got Dalvin Cook, Bengals went back on Mixon. Interesting how that works, and then on defense in the third and fourth rounds, Jordan Willis, Carl Lawson. I mean, it's just a great value. I had a one on Ross, one on Mix and three on Willis, one on Lawson, five on Malone. That's another one those teams four point six on the average on eleven picks, a lot of picks. And the fifth round center they

got JJ Dealman. That was that was a Steel. I think he can start for them one seventy six. Yeah, yeah, you're right about that. So Bengals to me came out as the top team. And just in terms of players, I liked what the value and not only instant contributors, but down the road, what this team could be made. Dalton has to be pretty happy with what they did in the first two rounds. Yeah, oh, I bet he's thrilled.

Nine is a little high for me for John Ross, but because the injuries, the injuries, and then I don't and yeah, I mean I'm scared of what might happen with that. You also already have aj Green, so do you need Yeah, but they have anybody that can really know, they need other receivers and they what if I told you he is going to average which fourteen starts a year, first rookie contract? Is it worth in top? How many yards per catch? As well? You don't know that. You

just know he's gonna be. He's gonna play, he's gonna line up. I'm also I feel like he's gonna get his butt kicked by like bigger NFL corners. Man, it's hard to him, Okay, you catch him. Yeah, well it's a good point. It's hard to get your hands on smoke. We'll see. I don't love that pick, but I can't. I mean, I can't argue with the which pick do you like the least? Mixon or Ross. I'm very confident Mixing is going to be a very good player, so I mean that doesn't worry me from that standpoint, But

I wouldn't want to draft him. So I still like Ross more than him. Yeah, I don't think it's going to take very long for Mixon to establish himself as the second best back in that division behind Levon Bell. Yeah, I don't be high praise. It's really I don't even know that it is though. You think about what else is in that the Ravens don't I mean, Kenneth Dixon and the Ravens. Yeah, they got not a lot the Browns Isaiah Crowell. The second best back in the division

right now other than rookies is probably Jeremy Hill. I'll probably take roll over him, but yeah, I mean it's it's we're debating between Hill and Crowel. So, yeah, did you have one team, just one team that you didn't like? Uh, I'm and I'm saying, I'm just saying you didn't like him from there that they had a terrible draft, But I just didn't. I know, you talked about on on your podcast about what the Giants did with the titles.

I get that we would documented, but this the's somebody else that you went through and you kind of said, man, you know, I get it, but I don't get it. Yeah, there wasn't anyone that really stood out, just and I think that really speaks to the depth of this draft, you know, because I don't mean to put you on the spot but I'll say my old buddy's Green Bay. I didn't think Green Bay did very well select I know that they were kind of low for you, but even I kind of liked what Kevin King a lot. Yeah,

it's my pet cat. I think Jamal Williams is gonna could be or Howard Yep. I mean, even though, like I know, in terms of value for your board, did you know, I still and I think again, that's kind of what that's all. But that's what where I'm getting at. I know, this draft, the depth this draft, even though the guy or the teams that you didn't love, they still got some D'Angelo Yancey, Aaron Jones, those are fifth round yeah right, I mean I was down on him

all during the draft. There were teams that did things in the middle of the draft. It actually helped themselves. Sure, I mean drafted a bunch of seventh round guys in the fifth round. That's not helping yourself. No, I mean, well, well we'll see. I don't know. I Aaron Rodgers is gonna turn Malachaidu Pre into a total stud. Just watch you think, Yeah, if if the pre makes the roster, if he's gonna make an NFL roster. He's in a great situation right there. All right, how about Oakland Conley?

As you say, the fella fon wou Banderdoo's David Sharp, Marquel Lee. You know obviously it really just hinges on that first round pick. I mean, that's they'll baffles me. I don't never you're happy about You're happy about Oakland. No can their first round pick play? Do we know that for sure? Yeah? That's I mean, I hope they know something I don't. Well, that's the same thing with Jordan Lewis here. You know, you just yeah, that's more

than what's been reported at this point. But listen with Gary and Conley, it's not even like it's not Gary and Conley was a top ten pick, you know, like a so you're getting good value at twenty four. I mean I thought he was a middle late first round pick, and that's kind of where Oakland took him. And so I think he was basically drafted where he should have been drafted. But he also has all his baggage hanging over his head, and that's he could not be he

might not be playing. Oh yeah, you just never know. I feel like the allegations surrounding Conley, not to make light of what's going on with Jordan Lewis, but I like they're too do. I mean, no, Conley allegations are worse and there's no questions. So there's that, and Lewis is as bad as well. But yeah, it's just you just hope that these teams, and these teams put a lot of money into investigating and you know, doing the background work and sure so there's no doubt these teams

no more than we do. Hopefully they just know enough. Yeah. Yeah, anybody you like any drafts? Well, I mean I said I love I love the Redskins draft a lot. Honestly. I thought the Redskins and Eagles both had really good drafts. The Giants gave me a flip. Again, I would say the Eagles over the Redskins. But that's okay, that's just me. Eric Barnett, what Sidney Jones's I mean, that's a that's

a red shirt in your second with your second round pick. Yeah, Eric Barnett, Sydney Jones or shul Douglas I really like and Mac mac hollins that was a fourth rounder for you best free. There are some teams that Sheldon Gibbs obvious, We've we've covered a lot of them. Like overall, classes are really strong. Um I thought, I mean when you read it all out loud, the Bengals class is great. But I just love like individual picks where you just look at it and you're like that is a oh yeah,

a great value or a great spot. I mean, Jordan Willis and Carl Auston both going to the Bengals, that's insane. It's like Billings going there last year unexpectedly. Uh. One that I really, I really love is Pittsburgh getting Juju Smith Schuster. I think that just the just the pick you just the toughness of the gay right there, everything about him adding to what they already have there. Well, okay, let's stick with the same team t J Watt in

the first round. Yeah. That to me, that's the perfect marriage between skill set and then defense, what they want to do, the culture they have their absolutely one thing that stood out to me Carolina really want to see the Christian McCaffrey, Curtis Samuel dynamic. Carolina is gonna be must see TV this year. I want to see how they how do they uh you know, use those touches between the two. Do they both line up in the backfield at times? Will they both be out in the slot?

How did they kind of you know, I know Curtis Samuel is probably more a slot receiver than a running back for them, you know, for better or for worse. But it's eager to see how they make that whole dynamic work. I liked what they pick they did in the in the fifth round at one fifty two corn

Elder Cornelius third round grade on him. If you're were those teams like, Okay, mccaffreendo you were, you were hiring on mccaffree and I was two two three five the Hall pick, I'd just say the Panthers probably would have made my top five winners if they wouldn't have drafted Hall except for DaShan Hall. Yeah, in the third round they took them, what seventy seven overall? Yeah? How about how about the Cards getting your guy Hassan Reddick and

my guy Buddha Baker. That's that's that's an interesting one too when we talked about it during the Draft show, because Buddha Baker. If there was a honey Badger in this draft, it was Buddha Baker. And so How do they have those two players play on the same defense. How does that work? It's just interesting to see the fit. But the Cardinals, they're notorious for not necessarily taking the prototypical player. They all they got a vision for players absolutely.

I mean they did it with Daon Buchanan, with Tyron Matthew. Of course with the Son Reddick and Buddha Baker this year. So it's definitely interesting. They're gonna be fun. Just real quick, before we go to break my top three, I said the Los Angeles Chargers Jacksonville an average of three point one in Miami at three point one. I feel like most people consider Jacksonville a loser in this draft. So that's interesting to hear. But see, that's a great thing

about the draft. Yeah, I'll see these players different ways, right, They probably are think Jacksonville is a loser of the players they select the positions that they select. Let's Leonard Fournette at fourth overall, they could have had Dalvin Cook at in the second round. Yeah, at that page. So it's just you know, you never know. I mean, it's it, but I just I don't know Jacksonville. To me, it's

a team. I keep an eye on. One of the team that I think is being talked about really highly about what they did that I didn't necessarily love was the forty nine ers. I mean, yeah, Solomon Thomas, you know, Okay, they traded back Sloman Thomas, the same guy that we're gonna take it too, um and then to trade back in and get Ruben Foster. Not enough is being talked about how Ruben Foster might need another surgery. Yeah, that one. That one was that one was low on my list too, right,

And there's a lot going on with Ruben Foster. And then I love Weatherspoon in the third round, but then they also cj Bethird uh round. Yeah, you made you made your point about that. Joe Williams, who I would not have drafted him. I mean he might retire in October. Again, he didn't like football. Maybe Peter King reported that he

wasn't even on their board. Yeah, that going into the day the day that they picked him, Shanahan called that basically, Joe, I think Joe Williams might be the biggest uh boom or bus pick in that zone deef or a zone run offense that they they're gonna run with. Shanahan he could have a huge rookie year, or again he could retire and he just never never know. Okay, we got

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of a kind. Doctor Pepper a Dallas Cowboys tradition. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys the Clock. Well, we are on the clock for the final ten minutes of the twenty seventeen draft season. Once again, we appreciate everybody out there that has followed along since right before when we started, when we were going to the Senior Bowl. It's we've enjoyed this every step of the way and hopefully we've we've educated like we thought we would and

you're able to understand these players a little bit better. Kent, I'm gonna turn it to you. I don't know if we have any calls yet. Your luck, we do, we do, okay, very good lighting up, give us a call eight at eighty five, two to nine seven. We're gonna start with Phil in North Carolina. What's up? Phil? Hey, guys, Hey Phil?

Three quick points I wanted to make. I'm notoriously kind of hard to police as far as a draft, but I was actually pretty satisfied this year because I felt like a lot of the guys that we got were on better scheme fits, specifically for Rod Mary Nelly. So I think when you have a core of a team that's already built to win, sometimes it's more important just to get those guys that could feel rolls, and I feel like they did a good job of that. And

also the second point is a credibility standpoint. This regime was, you know, with the GM and the coach and M and McLay and those guys, you know, they've just built up a certain level of credibility with me with the draft and Travis Frederick when a lot of people were down, and just built an overall depth as far as for agencies concerned. And third, is it more of a question just our human questions? Last year I was thinking this was before all of the coverage you guys do now

with Ezekiel Elliott's pick. It always had me wondering, what was Maurice Clarette's draft round projection from you guys. If you don't have it, that's fine, but I've just been curious about that lady lately. Thanks. Thanks, appreciate that. Yeah, I think he said everything about you know, McClay and all that Clarette. We weren't doing the draft show, oh Clarette. Where we God, No, that was I mean I actually was working for the Cowboys. I mean exactly, I was

sitting there. I grew up a couple of blocks away from where Maurice Clarette was. Uh made my hometown of Warren, Ohio. And so I've followed him religiously, you know, just because I've known him for a while, and you know, I never thought he'd go in the third round, but he did. Yeah, Broncos Mike Shanna had took a chance on him there when he ran like a for eight at the combine. I know, he was terrible. I mean he's arrested shortly after his cut. Didn't couldn't make it out of training camp.

I mean I thought he was a late round pick at best. But he was a visit here. He was a visit here for the Cowboys, and and he was one of those guys that didn't work out. The visit didn't work out very well. No, Yeah, he had the attitude, character and all that stuff they were we were trying to get to. But yeah, he was a guy that was off the board. So I but the talent, Yeah, you watched him his freshman year at Ohio State. Unbelievable. I mean, he was a big part why they won

the national title that year. And then if people remember, the next year, he tried to petition to Yeah, suspended, so he tried to go to the NFL, couldn't do it, so basically had to sit out until he could enter the draft. And yeah, he was out of shruble rookie deal. He had to make the team to make any money. Yeah, it's just a bad situation. Heard he's doing well though. Yeah. Motivational speaker him, Jim Trestle. I think it was a thirty for thirty or something like that. It was really

Uh he's a Youngstown guy. Since you know he's actually still around that area, is good? Yeah? Good? All right, kemp Chan in Oklahoma, go ahead, Yeah, guys, I just want to give you a big thank you for all your draft coverage. Appreciate that. I was kind of bummed this year. I was. I went over to Germany to visit my brother during the draft weekend, and I was kind of bummed to miss it, but then I remembered

the Draft show there. Yeah, we got up at two am Friday night, well would have been Friday morning for us to watch the first round, and at one am the next morning to watch the second round. So thank but yeah again, thanks for that. Also, I don't know if you guys have ever thought about it, but I just want to run an idea by you guys. Have you ever thought about having like a Draft show contest?

Because I would pay an unridiculous amount of money to come be with you guys to Draft weekend and and just kind of listen with you guys and kind of give my two cents. I don't know if that would ever be a possibility, but like some kind of maybe we could do like a do you like a mock draft contest or something event. I think that'd be so cool. You bring someone in you guys have some kind of contests an ultimate fan because I follow all your guys the show as I got I bought Dan uh, you know,

Holy Grail of guide books and all that stuff. I love the Draft that anyway, thank you, and my only question to you guys, really besides that is just what do you think will rank in the division right now? Um? If I I'm I'm an optimist. But I like to think the Giants, with what they did at uh Marshall and that receiver Ingram and then what they're already stout being just what the troubles they gave us last year,

I would probably say they're the favorite. But I mean, I know we won the division last year, but I just like to see where you guys stack us to see in the division. And I'll hang up and listen. Thanks guys, thank you, Yeah, thanks. I mean I pretty much agree with him, all right. I don't think it's a wide gap. And I mean not like the Giants are without their flaws. They or they did not address their office at Oh yeah, they are basically banks. The

Waddy I think was one of their picks. They are banking on Eric Flowers to be the guy that they drafted him to be. Justin Pugh's still there. He's a good player. Um signed Fluker they did, and um Weston rich Rich He's a solid play. I mean, so they've they've got talent what I mean running You got Paul Perkins at running back. Did they draft one? Uh? They did,

Wayne Gallman. That's right, Okay, So honestly, I think the Giants have fewer questions than the Cowboys right now, even even knowing that their offensive line might not be great. Eli Manning is capable, the receiver Cords gross in a good way. That I mean, they just drafted Evan Ingram. They added Dalvin Tomlinson too. They lost, and then you

look at you look at that defense. Yeah, but exactly, I mean they drafted to replace that, and then you add basically, you know, three Pro Bowl caliber players on the line. Landon Collins all of a sudden is a monster. U who else you got? I mean there, I'd get the Giants, I would I would give them. They're the one team that gives Dallas a lot of problem obviously a lot, you know, two games. Having said that, I do think it will be it. I think the East

will put two teams in the playoffs this year. I think the Redskins, Cowboys and Giants are all capable of winning this division. I think, and then depending on the Eagles can go as far as Carson Wentz develops, so how he does. But I would say I would have like the Giants one A and the Cowboys one b It's not like huge gap, but yeah, it's out in front. Can't we got another one? I'm sorry, no, I'd agree with that. Yeah, it really depends on Dak what we're seeing,

you know, what's inspect Yeah, can't another one? Johnny in North Carolina, go ahead, Johnny? Hey, how y'all Don Frothers, Hey, Brian Brothers, David hell Man. I just want to give y'all a good shout out, man. I love how y'all do. How y'all work for work really well together. Y'all compliment each other very well, like Pete Burn Jackie Man. Just a quick question. Haven't heard a lot about Robert bland

Um and what what excels for Lucky Whitehead? Knowing that we got Ryan Switcher coming in and one more thing, the actual when y'all, when y'all do the overlook for rookie Mini camp, I love it, um. I love how y'all get the explosive. That's how y'all get up and close the training camp live. Y'all was going to do that again this year training camp live or live. They might have put the kebbas they don't like us doing that because because other teams around the National Football League.

We're really enjoying our Yeah, other teams. Other teams started telling the front office they liked our coverage we had. We had guys. I had scouts walk up to me and say that, Hey, the guys over in Atlanta really enjoying the training camp live today. So sorry everybody, but yeah, sorry about that. We're not gonna might not be featuring

though we won't be doing that this year. That goes back to the point I was trying to make about Robert Blanton, which, like I said, cut cut this depth chart down to taff for me, because I mean, you've got all your You drafted three cornerbacks, you drafted a safety. So four defensive backs overall. Heath and Byron are here. They're not going anywhere, U Scandrick and Brown and Carol aren't going anywhere. And I mean you can talk trade

rumors if you want, but dealing just in facts. So okay, Byron, Heath, Cavan Fraser still here, Xavier Woods. There's four right there. You keep a fifth with Robert Blanton. We could go five and five. Yeah, you could go five and five. Do you want six corners instead? And I think the idea for Blanton is that he's primarily more of a special teamer who can play safety if he needs to, which comes in handy if you're planning on upping Jeff Heath's defensive snaps. But in May, I don't know how

to answer that question. I think it's just gonna depend on play it out. Yeah, who performs well in training camp. We got a couple of minutes behere, we have to end this. Think, uh Dane, talk about though twenty eighteen a little bit. The big thing is going to be the quarterbacks. I mean, at this time last year, we're talking about Miles Garrett. He was the number one pick. We felt pretty good about that. Even at this time last year, I feel pretty good saying that the number

one overall pick next year will be a quarterback. It's just you know which quarterback will be. Could be Shim Darnold from USC Rosen UCLA. And then of course we have Josh Allen from Wyoming, who's really talented but so raw, he needs so much work. You also have, of course the Heisman Trophy winner with Lamar Jackson. So the quarterbacks are really going to be driving the discus should like like it always does. But we will have several top

ten quality quarterbacks. Uh, and then real quick at running back to the debate between sa Quon Barkley and Darius Guys, that'll be a fun one. S Quon Barkley, I can't help watching him and think, oh gosh, he's got a little Ladanian tomments too. I mean, he's a really good player. And then you know, Darius Geis could be a better player than four Nette and we'll have to see how that plays out. The runs so angry. He really looks pissed off when he hits the whole. It's great running blocking.

I mean he really does. And so there's a lot of I mean, Derwin James, the safety from Florida State, how does he come back from his injury? He could be a top guy. Uh, Texas the long Horns. I think you're gonna make a comeback offensive tackle, Connor Williams, a lot of Jefferson Football the linebacker. So and then Alabama of course will be well represented with Minka Fitzpatrick the corner safety. I think he has a chance to be a top ten pick. So there's plenty of talent

for next year. A lot of us. Calvin Ridley, see he's draft eligible. He will be draft eligible. I'm not sure he's a He's not in that. He's not in that kind of As a freshman, he looked like he was on that traject from what I was going to say, and then this past year, I don't know, he didn't. He didn't take that next step in his development. So we'll see what he does as a junior if he can. I think he's more of a Day two player at

this point, but we'll see. Was the top receivers next year on my list Christian kirk a and m and then a local kid, Sutton Uh from SMU. There you go, Hey, gotta keep gotta keep out small school guys to look forward to next Here we go. Any offensive tackles is with the with the offensive line group be better. Absolutely, Connor Williams from Tacky. We talked about Mitch Higatt from Clemson.

Orlando Brown, Zeus's kid at Oklahoma. Wow. Uh, he's all every bit of three forty, so a huge kid, plenty of that offensive tackles will make a little bit of a comeback. And then of course have to talk about top edge rusher Lsu arden Key. Arden Key, He's about not on the team right now. But that's okay, forty pounds uh less than Miles Garrett Wade, but of course a little bit of it better of an athlete has some explosive way he can bend the corner. So what

the lake there? All right? Well, that'll do it for the draft show for today and for the twenty seventeen draft. Once again, we appreciate everybody out there for this was fun. Yeah it again. Thank you guys. I want to thank Dame Burglar, David Helm and you guys always make this fun. Well. I thank Kent Garrison as well for always keeping us on the air, Ed k Hill for creating us, Derek Eagleton for always believing that we can do this show anytime and it'll work out just fine. Uh. We'll be back,

like I say, keeping keeping conduct. Hopefully this guy to my right, we'll be with an NFL team when we reconvened again. We hope that's my hope. But if not, they'll be in that chair with us. So for everybody out there, thanks again and we will see you in twenty eighteen for the NFL Draft. Take care of