Draft Show: Final Pre-Draft Thoughts

over twenty four hours. Hey, you may be listening to this show and it may be under twenty four hours from the NFL Draft in Cleveland, Ohio, but we are just around the corner and we are here as the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show on a special Wednesday edition to give you a roadmap to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. And that's the purpose of this show specifically, is you could have watched all forty of our shows previously, or this could be the first show that you listen to,

but you're gonna know what's going on this weekend. It's gonna be a fun time. We've got Brian brought us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Bucky Brooks is on his way. He's got some TV duties to take care of early on, but Bucky will be here in just a couple of moments. But Brian, I mean it's right around the corner. Is it nervous time yet? Is if we talked about it about I think it was maybe last week about how you start getting into that nervous feel of the draft. But is it there yet? Is that is? Are those

butterflies there? Yeah? I think right now for the guys, that's it's a time where you've become very reflective at this moment. You know, you might sit in your office or kind of go back through your notes one more time. Maybe did you make good enough point about a player to get him in the right spot. I know for a fact the pro guys are on the phone working with the other teams. You want to make sure that you check with him, say hey, listen, we're open for business.

If you guys want to come see us. We're just sit and dropping down. You're just trying to throw some chum in the water right now and see who could

come up, who could go back. But it is it's a very reflective time because, like I said, I used to sit there myself and just look at the board and you just want to look at all those names and you kind of visualize how this thing is going to come off, and if you could kind of get that in your mind, it'll better help you to when players start coming off and knowing where you need to be to get the player you want. Jeff, have you

taken an extra look at your notes? Have you? Have you decided to maybe put our Darius Washington the safety from TCU up a couple more stop spots haven't heading into tomorrow, there's nowhere to go for our Darius. You can't get any higher than the safety one, So there's nowhere from my tiny man to go. My tiny man is right where he's gonna be. And I tell you that is the only part of it that is a little bit nerve wracking is when the way that you feel about a player is not the way that basically

the rest of the world feels about a player. And you're just watching to see this play out where you're like, yep, smallest safety ever, giant outlier. The whole world's gonna factor that in and pick him in the fifth round. And are you going to be that one guy that stands

there and goes, no, I believe and I am. I believe that we will win us and I of course yes, you know what I think what's really interesting about what Jeff has done, and I really do appreciate this about him, is the fact that you really don't want to get influenced, and we do get influenced. I'm not gonna lie about that. There's there's certain things that happen that you read you

see you here. I mean, I was out this morning, I talked to three different teams walking around, and you talk about, you know here, different approaches and stuff like that. But if you're one of those scouts that could put all that aside and have the belief that that player is going to be the best player, then I think that's a great trait and a great skill to have.

Do you think that scouts nowadays, especially with all the technology and the easy of communication and just how simple it is to have that input maybe invade your war room, do you think it's harder nowadays for these scouts in these front offices to avoid being influenced on guys like

Ard Areas Washington. Well, I know I could speak for experience really quickly here the fact that the scouts have not been able to travel to these schools, because what happens is you might have five scouts at a particular school, and they travel from place to place with each other, and they see each other at these schools and they talk. They talk about, Hey, I saw this kid at Missouri, I saw this kid at TCU. I saw this kid. And you could get influenced by talking to your friends.

Guys you trust, galls you trust. You can't get influenced by man, what am I not seeing in this guy? Or what are they not seeing? And the fact that the scouts did not travel together this year might make for some interesting selections were a little bit more but pure Jeff Kavanaugh approach. I like it. I think it's something that we'll look at approach moving in. What was that see ideal approach? The Jeff Kavanaugh approach is fairly

the best way to draft. I'm sure the board across the hallway in the war room probably says the exact same thing that you have on yours, just because it's

the Jeff Kavanaugh approach. I kind of wanted to set the stage here though, and going off of what Brian just said specifically about how there are going to be those conversations this year and it's such a unique draft process with no combine, only the pro days to go by, and then even then, scouts were really unable to travel to as many pro days and to hit as many schools as you normally would. But this is going to be an interesting draft where really a lot of us

don't know what's going on. And Jeff, I know specifically, we've been talking about this for quite some time. But whenever tomorrow night rolls around, just how many surprises are going to be on that first round board and then heading into the second because we just don't necessarily know what these front offices are thinking, or maybe even the front offices don't know exactly what they're thinking. Yeah, I

think there'll be plenty of surprises. I wonder what it'll mean for movement in terms of how many teams are going to move around in the round, But yeah, I think we'll get plenty, Like there will be names that we haven't mentioned too often as first rounders I think could pop up his first rounders because it happens every year. And now when you add in what Brian is talking about, where you don't have because he I know what Brian

was doing when he was a scout. Brian was over there hobnobbing and gossip in Hey what do you think about that? Lsu get people are out there getting influenced

and now it's now. I think it's pretty pure. And I also think when Jerry mentioned at the presser that you know, these scouts haven't seen these players as much as usual, So it's not just that you're not influenced, it's also that like in this organization, and every organization's different, but in this one, Jerry Jones going to listen to a lot of different people, and how much is he going to listen to his coaches considering that his scouts, he may not feel have as good a feeling on

players because they haven't been around him as much. So I think every organization is going to be different. I think we'll hear probably four or five names that you go, oh okay in the first round and we'll see how it plays out. But the Hayes in the barn baby like butterflies. Get the butterflies out of here. It's party time, this is go time. Well, I think the thing that and where Jeff is right about this is that there's people out there right now that are telling me that

this is not a traditional draft. And when they talk about traditional drafts, it's like defensive tackles, defensive ends. You know, we've had receivers up there, you have all these quarterbacks up there. This is just not a traditional way it's gonna go. And I totally agree. Everybody believes that they're going to be those wow picks that are going to happen, and you know, and we need to be ready for that.

I talked to a guy this morning two that was doing a mock draft where he was basically he'd thrown up his hands. He's like, listen, I'm gonna miss the third pick at San Francisco. It's gonna be completely wrong, and I'm like going do a mock draft where you

just trade everybody. I go, if you have some type of you know, you have a better chance of talking about moving around a gravid players, you know, and maybe being right as you do saying what San Francisco is gonna do at three, what Atlanta is gonna do it for what? You know, what Detroit's gonna do at seven. You have a better chance of just kind of talking about chaos, potential chaos as you do do it, picking

that thing chalk and being somewhat right. When I love that conversation because We started to have it yesterday, Brian, on our second round mock draft, which by the way, we did a first round in second mock draft. Just for those of you at home who have not listened to that yet, you can go back on iTunes and listen to it. But you mentioned the crossroads yesterday, and there are a ton of crossroads that could happen at the third pick, in the fourth pick of this draft,

because you've got the Jaguars and the Jets. That's pretty much gonna be chalk, or at least we think so. Trevor Lawrence to the Jags, and then we have Zach Wilson pretty much chalked in there with the Jets. If that's the case, that's the case. If not, then even two could be a crossroads. But then the forty nine ers, where are they gonna go at quarterback? Is it gonna be Trey Lance justin fields or is it gonna be Mac Jones? Following that pick, where did the Falcons go?

Kyle Pitts is then in the conversation, along with two other quarterbacks. But this is a draft, Brian, because of the non traditional side of it, could go completely different directions than those that the media are even talking about, or different directions from front offices are even thinking about. Yeah, teams are preparing a couple different scenarios. If Kyle Pitts has taken it for the draft is going to go one direction. They feel if Atlanta takes a quarterback, the

trap is going in a whole another different direction. So, uh, this is unique. It Usually when you get to the top of a board, you could kind of you could maybe get the first five or six picks in a row and have an idea of Okay, this is how

this thing is going to play out. I think if you're a Cowboy fan, you're looking at this and you're saying, Okay, if Dallas is locked in on taking a corner, if that's if that's the direction that they're going to go, they're they're a little bit of a buying because again, I've talked to eight different people yesterday and around the league. Then all believe that Curtan is going to be the pick, but they couldn't guarantee that Curtan was going to be

there for me. They were saying, hey, if Curtan's there, but they also believed that Joe Horne should be Jacy Horne is as a possibly too, but they don't believe that Horne is going to be there, and that's why they gave the Cowboys certan. So you know, the Cowboy could a little bit maybe of the mercy of the board. What happens at Detroit at seven with could they move? What happens that Carolina at eight? And you know, I'm kind of thinking, Didver's going to stand there and pick?

But there's some teams that could back out of there that could really affect the way the Cowboys could possibly lose maybe both their guys that they were that they wanted to and then that would take him into a whole other direction. Jeff Godon outline that that worst case scenario, what wouldn't it take for the Cowboys to be wiped out at ten if let's say both Horn and certain

or off the board whenever their pick comes around. Well, and this, you know, this is based on how I see the players and not necessarily the Cowboys, because I'm not even sure on how the Cowboys are viewing this. When Jerry yesterday said that he they viewed the opt outs as compromised, I was like, well, I don't like pinasul and Rashawn Slater, and those are guys that I'm

incredibly interested in. So you know, my scenario where I think that you're wiped out of the guys that I would really like to pick at ten is Patrick Surtan and jac Horn are gone, Pine Swell and Rashawn Slater are gone. Kyle Pitts is gone. So you lose those five and then you put four other quarterbacks in and now you're on the clock. But it just it really, no matter how it goes, it opens up a different opportunity that maybe the fan base would be weirded out by.

But I mean I would just look at it and be like, oh man, this is very strange. The best players available all play wide receiver. What are we gonna do. Are we gonna take Jamar Chase or jayal and Waddle here? Which I would because they're the best players. But it also opens up the possibility that somebody's calling for the fifth quarterback and you can move down. But that is I think the wipeout scenario is you lose both top corners, both top offensive lineman, and Kyle Pitts. How likely is

that scenario? Brian, Well, I'll tell you what's just talking to folks around the league, there's a lot of love for Horne, and there's a lot of love for Curtan. And you know, we Jeff talked about those quarterbacks. You know, we all love Pitts as a player. He's right that if if you if you get a situation where Carolina say, okay, say Carolina takes uh Okay, say that Philadelphia gets to Detroit at seven and they end up taking Certan, and then you turner and then all of a sudden, Carolina

takes Horne, who they absolutely love. I know that for a fact coming from their war room. You're in trouble right now. That's that's trouble for you if in fact that you're holding on both those corners. So you know, you got to hope that maybe one of those offensive linemen there would be there if that's the case, or would they take Parsons. You know that probably would be I think the case I get. I get the hint they only player on their board again, this and then

this is going back and fourth. You know, you hear so much positivity about Seul, and I'm hearing that Seul is the only guy. And I heard last week that well he had they really liked Slater, but Seul seems to be now the only guy, the only offensive guy on that board other than Pits, that they would take over maybe one of those corners that they were on the board. What would you do on your board? Because I know you're pretty high on Slater as well, and

of course Seul not likely to fall. I mean, I mean he could go either to five at Cincinnati or to the Dolphins at six. I mean he could go either one of those and then a slew of teams behind there in between them and the Cowboys. But where would you rank those guys if you had your five picks? And I'll ask Jeff to follow up with his five as well. Well, I think the way the way I would. Are you talking about me or do I you know

it's gonna roll out? I want your picks? Yeah, I me personally though, the top five players I have on my board I've got if you just because I've ranked them one to one ninety. I have Lawrence Pitts, Seul, Chase, and Fields as my top five guys. But is it going to go that? I mean no, I mean, you get to think about the teams and stuff like that, But I me personally, Like I said, I, I'm totally on board with you know, if they get into situation where that they have to take Parsons, I understand that.

But me personally, Lawrence Pitts, Seul Chase Fields, those would be my top five guys in my rankings right now. If you're trying to put Kyle, I think you want in order the five non quarterbacks and how you pick them at ten, I'm cool with, okay, because like the way that I would order the guys that I'm interested in for the Cowboys is Kyle Pitts one, Rashawn Slater two, Pinay Soul three uh, and then jac Horn for Patrick

Sir Tan five. So it's you know, it's I think the Cowboys wanted to work out where one of those corners make it, but one of those corners will be the fourth and fifth options for me. I really like the offensive players in this draft above those corners, and Jerry even talked about it yesterday. Don't be stupid with your needs. I mean that was one of the biggest question or quotations taken out of the entire pre draft press conference, which, by the way, you can listen to

on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But he talked about don't be stupid with your needs. Take what's there, take what the board, let you do. And Brian, you've been very adamant about this and pass drafts and from things that I've heard from you in the past about just let the board fall to you. If the board falls to the Cowboys, there's a very good chance that there's an offensive player available or Micah Parsons, and not necessarily these corners. Where would you go if that's the case? And why

is Michael Parsons just kind of an afterthought at this point? Well, I think that there's questions you have to ask about Micah Parsons. Is the character stuff, the off the field stuff, if you're comfortable with his story, if you're comfortable with talking with Penn State people, if you're comfortable with visiting this guy. Yeah, you've got to make sure that this

player the ability, There's no question about the ability. You just got to make sure that they're totally comfortable with Is this the type of player as we're trying to rebuild culture and stuff like that in a locker room that we really want to have in there, are there immaturity questions? If that's the case, and all that, I don't think you want the player. I think Jeff's absolutely right about this. To me, the offensive side of the board is at least in the first round, is clearly

better than what's going on. And I know I have nine other picks that I could potentially make. Taking an offensive player at ten is not a terrible idea, you know, And and I appreciate Jerry saying yesterday, Hey, don't get caught up in the needs and all that stuff, you know, keep an open mind about that. And I appreciate that about it. Jeff, So, who you would take in that

kind of wipeout scenario? No, not even now. I'm more of talking about Michael Parsons here, And why would you rather take an offensive player than Michael Parsons outside of the fact that he does fit a semi need for you at the Cowboys at this point, Well, to me, it is a because we're making exceptions for certain players here, because to me, you just you factor in positional value in the NFL, and linebacker exists somewhere in the same sphere as running back and tight end and safety somewhere

towards the bottom of the total pole and I'm making an exception for Kyle Pitts because I think Kyle Pitts is an incredibly clean prospect with so much superstar potential that's literally getting better and better with Michael Parsons when I go, Okay, Kyle Pitts, I'll make an exception for even though it's not a quote valuable position, because I think it's a unique opportunity to become one of three teams in the NFL that's a mismatch nightmare along with

San Francisco in Kansas City with Kelsey and Kittle, with Michael Parsons at a lower value position. Then you throw in question marks, then you throw in the opt out. So I haven't seen the growth as a player. It's just enough there that I want nothing to do with that position at number ten overall. So like I'll make an exception for a quote not valuable position and be comfortable with that risk. I just I wouldn't do it

with Parsons. Would there be an Yeah? The thing that was I was told just well, let me just real quick, Kile. The thing that's interesting about Pitts is and it's and this I think was the best I had a guy in the league explained this to me about Pits, and we all up Pits, but think of Pits this way. This guy said to me, He's like, listen, Pits is the type of weapon that we all now fear at quarterback of a quarterback that can run and throw. You know,

Pitts scores points, he goes. Defenses fear at the quarterback that can run any throw. That makes de Fitzes have to play a totally different style. Pitts is one of those guys that has that ability. If you if you fear the quarterback that can run or throw, you should also fear a type of player like Pitts who could come in, could score and put your defense in a lot of stress. I was specifically about Kyle Pitts. There's

not necessarily a huge chance that he falls. But you're talking about the exception to the rule, and I completely agree with what Jeff just said a moment ago. But

Michael Parsons is not that exception to the rule. Are there any other guys in this draft outside of Kyle Pitts or maybe Michael Parsons that could be consider then that category with maybe an edge rusher, a defensive tackle, No, you know, edge rushers, you know, because to me, when we're talking about exceptions, we're talking about the quote lower positional value ones true, and so no, they don't exist. Like there's not an Aaron Donald type at defensive tackle.

Edge is different because that is a premium position, but the players just aren't there. Trying to put those players in order is such a challenge my top edge guys as he's Agularia of Georgia and now there's scuttle Bud out there and Rumoruski's out there that maybe he's getting flagged medically on a leg, on a knee. Jalen Phillips Miami pass rusher, is my second best edge rusher. He's going to be medically flagged in multiple ways. So there's

not a clean edge prospect. There's not a defensive tackle that belongs up there. There's not a safety that belongs up there, unless you're calling Jeremiah Usu Cormoa safety. It's just it's such a bizarro class and I love it. Yeah, let me throw another thing out there too. People are talking about Barmore at Alabama as a guy that needs to be babysit. So all of a sudden, you know

you're in a situation now where they're having. Alabama does a great job of making sure that their players are taking care of they get the class and all that stuff. But I was here at some talk last night that like, listen, you really have to babysit bar Moore to get him to do things. You know that That's something I don't

want to hear. So, yeah, I mean, all these defensive guys at the top of the board, there's something that there's that one flag that makes you think, well, heck, maybe I need to take this offensive guy and then figure out everything and at forty four and seventy five and the other picks that you have, and that, Kyle, is the appeal of Patrick Curtan to the Cowboys and so many other teams. Lack of questions. Yeah, that's that

is the massive appeal of Patrick Curtan. And you add that to the athleticism, you add that to the tape. There's a lot of reasons why Patrick Curtan at ten makes a ton of sense. He's a he's a top ten caliber corner, just bar none. And then you add in the fact that there are no question marks. I think that's what's exciting about it overall. I completely agree

with what you just said. Now, the Cowboys do have ten picks outside of top ten questions as what like, we sit and talked about really throughout this entire first segment, but we will hit some of those coming up later on in the show when we come back. It's Twitter on the twenty Could the Cowboys drop back in the draft and if they do, could they still be targeting a specific corner. We'll talk about that when we return on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Something happened

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in the back. The first question is the one that I teased heading into the break, and this comes from jad on Twitter and JD says, if cornerbacks fall off the board in front of you, kind of like how we talked about in that first segment, could you move back to fifteen or even a little bit later in the draft, And if they do, could the Cowboys take a guy like Greg Knewsom the second out of Northwestern or would they completely pivot to a completely new position.

Jeff will start with you on this one. Yeah, I think that's what you build the board for. You know, that's what Brian's gonna have a top one ninety in order for. Is my initial thought at pick number ten is that we're looking at somebody like jac Horn or Patrick's Artan or Rashaun Slater or Pinasol or Kyle Pitts. Then if you got to number ten and that's not available, which I don't think will happen because I think Jamar Chase is going somewhere, so one of those guys will

be there. But in the scenario where they're not and you can find a way to move back, Captain trade Down loves to ride. Nothing makes me happier than acquiring more top fifth depicts. So if you moved back to fifteen, you just shift down your board a few spots and you go, Okay, I am looking at Jalen Waddle and Jamar Chase and Davante Smith. I've got three receivers that I really like. Still, I am looking at Elijah Vera Tucker, the USC offensive lineman. I am looking at Jeremiah Olusu

Coromoa the Notre Dame linebackers slash safety. And I am looking at Greg Newsom. I'm just following my grades down the board. So I'm looking at I've still got a crop of guys that I like. Three receivers, an oh lineman, a linebacker, slash safety, and one corner. So yeah, I can work my way down the board that way and still have my targets in mind. Yeah, you absolutely can.

And I think that if you even I have a couple of different pockets of on my board, I know, and I'm sure the Cowboys kind of in that same realm, you know, where's Farley going to fall? We talk about Newsome, Samuel Joseph Stokes. I mean, I could just keep naming

cornerbacks if you want. You If you back up and you get to where you're at fifteen, you're at eighteen, you're at twenty one, I still think you could grab a cornerback if that's the If that's the case, if you're really looking for a linebacker, that kid at Kentucky, that jam and Davis. I'm just telling you, if you back up and you get him, that'll make you feel good about your your prospect at linebacker. If you're interested. You know we talked about Bolton was another guy at Missouri.

There will be names on that board if they back up that they will feel comfortable with. And that's the reason why you would go back. If you have that pocket, some names that they could that you could grab one of those guys from. I feel like you have to be comfortable with a certain amount of guys there. I mean, it depends on how far you back you go. If there's seven guys, you can go back ten picks and

feel pretty good about where you're gonna fall. If you only feel good about two guys, then you might as well stay put and pick between the two of them. And there's a good chance that either one of those things ends up happening. Brian, Yeah, if you get if you get Certan or Horn on that board when you're

up at ten, you need to make that pick. Pick that that needs to be that needs to make your pick, and if not, then and you can find a way to back up and you and you have all those names that I just talked about Jeff just talked about, You'll be just fine doing that too, you know. And it's funny that this is kind of the topic that we've led into, because this is a great question from

Todd Mack and it's directly addressed to Brian. He said, what was it about DeMarcus Ware that had scouts pounding the table against Parcels and his coaching staff against Merriman? And do you see anything similar happening in this great debate that we've had throughout the draft process between jac

Horn and Patrick Surtan. Well, you know, it's not. And this is something that I was told, and I know when Jeff and I do radio every afternoon from two to seven on one oh five three the Fan, when we talk about this stuff, you know, it is like, Okay, scouts lined up here, coaches lined up here. I was told a guy said, hey, listen, I heard what you're talking about. There he goes, to be honest with you, We've got some coaches that like Certan, We've got some

scouts that like Horne. So it's not completely coaches first scouts in their room. Right now, there is a there is a they're gonna have to come to a consensus right there. The thing with where was when when we where was one of those guys It's cliche to say he just checked off all the boxes. When we started talking about the clean player, the player with the ability, the floor, the ceilings and the floors, all those things that everybody likes to talk about, where was that guy?

He the scouts, every scout that was banging the table for him. What we're just like, listen, this guy is the character, the traits, the ability, the best is best is ahead of him, you know. And Parcells saw like Mary and more of a ready player. Now this is my guy now, but he had more character questions. So there you go. Coaches sometimes they don't care about the character.

Coaches care about the player, and scouts are like, well, give me the clean player that is going to not bust and we're not going to have to worry about him. So every scout, Brian, you were a scout, I know darn well you and you didn't need him to be a clean player. You're like, he's good at football the end. I tend to I tend to go, I'm just telling scouts in general, I tend to go to give me the guy that I feel like is the best player.

And to me, I saw what the scouts. I was working at Pro personnel for the Cowboys in two thousand and five. I saw what the scouts saw watching that Troy tape. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like, Okay, that's it. I get it. I see why guys are fighting for this particular player. I love that conversation, I really do.

Because there's going to be crossroads, like we've talked about with picks ahead of the Cowboys, but the Cowboys are gonna have crossroads whenever ten rolls around, because you can improve this team in a number of different directions and it's not just two pass on those crossroads. We're talking about like fifteen different paths that you could potentially go and that's what makes the things interesting whenever Thursday night

rolls around. So sticking with Thursday Night before we move on to a later draft question, but Troy asked, should we want, as the Dallas Cowboys, five quarterbacks to go in the top nine so you have more options to pick at ten, or would you want one of those quarterbacks like mac Jones or Trey Lance to fall to ten, so that way you can have a tradeback scenario and load up on picks. Jeff, I know you're mister k captain. Trade down. So I'll let Brian add to this question. First, Yeah,

I would. I'd rather all the quarterbacks be there and then let me pick the guy one at ten. And then if I want to move around in the second or third or fourth round. That's why I want to move around. I feel like it. If you give me the opportunities to take the best defensive players on my board, then I'm going to I'm gonna take that opportunity. So give me all five quarterbacks being gone, get Brian. That's good, Brian,

I can take Kyle. I gotta take Kyle. I want all the receivers to go tight ends offensive line, like push both the corners down and but leave me one quarterback. Let me flip back, because I do have a wild dream, and my wild dream is can I find a way to get horners or ten to fifteen? You know what I'm saying, add a pick and get. But it's not realistic. So Brian has the right answer and the smart answer. But as a as a man as a man with

a brand of captain trade down. I would like to have something there that gives me that ability if I want to do it. But the smarter play is get five quarterbacks out of here and send either Sewel or Pits or my horners send them on down here, and let's go ahead and make a good pick. Well, what if you were in a situation, what if you were at the mercy the fifth quarterback that gets to you is the one that nobody wants. That's that's the That's the thing I would worry about if it was me,

if it's if it's not the right guy. Now, if it ends up being Lance or you know, our Ohio state kit fields, somebody will probably want that guy. But it's somebody gonna want to trade up for mac Jones. If Mac Jones and somehow gets down you know, to you at ten. I don't. I don't know. I don't. I really don't know. I mean, I think some teams would say, listen, if he got to us, we'd be happy to take him. But I don't know if anybody's willing to put the draft capitol ahead to go for

a guy. If you have if you had the wrong quarterbacks sitting there at ten for you and Jeff. You said you guys go for jeffal I just I need to get this. I need to get this in. Kyle. I gotta find a suit jacket, you know, Kyle, I think it's button up on. Bucky is swinging in, fully suited and already for draft war. Here. I canna find something with the collar. I gotta do something here, I gotta do something. Hey, where's your tie? I need you to put that tie on. Man, Well, I mean I can't.

I need to. If you got a button, you might just be word of tie right now. You know, I'm just sitting here trying to trying to make you trying to figure it all out. I'm just trying to figure it all out. I want to get in on a conversation because I know you guys are are doing all kinds of crazy conversation in chatter. So I just want to make sure that at least got in on the conversation to see if I could ask some levity to it.

That's some levity to it, Okay, I'll ask you the same question that Troy asked us here on Twitter on the twenty. He said, should we want five quarterbacks in the top nine, or would you rather have one of those quarterbacks fall to you so that way you have trade options as opposed to having just more players to

pick from. Specifically, if you're the Dallas Cowboys at ten, no, get all the quarterbacks out the way, because then it means a good player going to be sitting there for you at ten, Like training out or whatever is nice in terms of picking picks and getting picks or whatever,

but I'd rather get the player. And so if those quarterbacks go early, because some of those guys are gonna be overdrafted, I mean, does mean the board is going to be wide open, whether it's an offensive talca, whether it's one of the corners that you want, no one wants to linebacker, but all of that will be sitting there, so then you have more options. I like it. And Jeff you said specifically in your your answer to that question that it's unlikely that JC horn or Patrick's or

Tan falls to fifteen. I mean, we did a mock draft two days ago, and in that mock draft he fell to sixteen in the Cardinals. So I don't think it's necessarily out of the question. Sure, it's unlikely, but it definitely could happen with the way that things line up. I think jac Horne is too good of a player to fall to sixteen, but hey, if all five quarterbacks go, if some of those wide receivers go on a run, it's not out of the question that this is that j. C.

Horne could fall, even in a tradeback scenario. So, Bucky, it's great timing that that you popped on this show because I had this question tied up and just so happens that you popped on just in time. So Kenny Swisher asked this question on Twitter. He said, I have two questions, but the first one is with key On O'Neil on the contract a short contract as a safety slash linebacker hybrid, how would you rate Chaz sir Rott, the linebacker out of North Carolina, as a long term

option in that spot? So, Bucky, I'll let you start off with guitar heel, a guy you talked about whenever the Senior Bowl rolled around. No, I think in the second or third round, I think chash Rott could be in play when you look at his game and you look at the athleticism and what he brings to the table, he would qualify, he would fit. The big thing is he's only played linebacker for a little over a year,

two years of experience. He's fast and dynamic and athletic, but there's still gonna be some growing pains when it comes to him with some of the reason those things. That's it. He's going to add athleticism and speed to the second level. And when we think about being in nickel seventy percent of the game, he is a better option to be on the field than Jaylen Smith being on the field bowing down out against those teams that pass a lot. Wow, Chad Sarada is a better option

than Jalen Smith in nickel formations. Brian, I mean that because he can cover. That makes a lot of sense. What do you think about Chad Sarad and what he could fit into that role? Yeah, I think the thing with sarat and I have to give the kid a lot of credit, and I want to give the North Carolina program a lot of credit. I know Bucky, I bust onf Bucky a lot about those about North Carolina, but I really do it out of respect. And you know this guy is going to be to me when

I watch him play. I see a really good athlete, but I see a guy that needs to play on the move. If you watch the Virginia Tech game, they got bodies on him, you know, and that bothered me a little bit. But he's going to have to learn. He's gonna have to learn how to play with his hands, how to disengage, how to quickly see and go and read and all that. But I will say this though, you can watch him, just like Bucky was talking about. You can watch him in the Clemson game play off hand,

knock the ball away. Being coverage. Jeff's talked about that a bunch too. We've talked about it with Cox. Give me the guys that could cover. I'll teach him to play the run and they will worry about those other things later. But if you can cover, that's really a great trait to have. Sarat could be that kind of guy there. We will need to work on playing the run a little bit, Jeff. I mean, that's yeah, it's

really interesting. I think with him, it's one of those guys that on tape I sort of struggled with him like it. Can definitely see the athleticism, but I think there's also a rawness to his ability to play linebacker, which makes sense because I believe he's only played it for two years of his entire life. So to me, that is a guy where it's just a matter of I think every team is going to like him on

some level. It's just a matter of where do you project that you would pick him, because I think there's some development that you've got to do there. So it's it's just a matter of where do you pull the trigger on that, And for me, it's he's more of a third or fourth round guy than he is any

earlier than that. But I think he is, you know, that athleticism, a guy who's a former quarterback, So you think, you know, you've got this football intelligence, you've got the athletic ability, You've got some ability and coverage and we can keep growing that. And if he's a special teams guy, then I think that that's a dude that brings value to a football team. Yeah, if I was going for a guy real quick, if I was going for a guy like that, an outside linebacker type of a coverage guy,

I would not in the first round. Pete Warner from Ohio State is a guy that I would I would think that could play that type of role for you could be on the field for some run defense, but also could cover. He's a former strong safety, has some of those kinds of traits that you like. Not a

bad name. Not a bad name to bring up. You know, it's funny because it is that tweeter position that you're looking for, that hybrid safety linebacker that can make plays and stay on the field and passing downs and so which guys offer that versatility because the Cowboys have to be a faster defense to be a better defense. And maybe the fact that Sarat has only played the linebacker spot for a couple of years, and of course switching over from quarterback, that kind of adds to the fact that, well,

he was instantly good at the position. I mean he instantly moved over the linebacker and he was an All acc caliber player. Does that mean that he's already hitting his ceiling or does that mean he's got that longevity that where he can grow at the position. I tend to lean toward the second option, So that kind of

intrigues me a little bit more. And this goes along with another question asked by Richard Perry on Twitter, and we'll round out the segment with this, but with Sean Lee retiring, how much emphasis does that add and maybe picking up a mid round linebacker. It doesn't have to be Michael Parsons at ten or Jeremy Ilusha Cormoa. It could be one of these later round linebackers, these day two, day three guys that can make an impact. But Sarat's

one of those names. Werner's one of those names. I know Nick Bolton has been thrown around, but are there other guys there, Bucky that where you look at the linebacker spot the Cowboys could certainly benefit. Yeah. I think linebacker has to be some position that you look at, not only just because the uncertainty around LV and what happens with the long term contract, whether the fifth year option or beyond, but just the way the game is evolving.

You have to have speed and sideline the sideline playmakers. You have to do it. I am intrigued though, because, like Nick Bolton has kind of lost some of the momentum. People don't talk about him as much. John and Davis has kind of sucked up the air in the room

when it comes to linebacker. But make no mistake, the Missouri kid can play and man, he makes a ton of plays, and so I don't know, like linebackers are kind of like that that one position as hard to pig when it comes to where they're going to go. But I certainly would keep my eye on him because he's a difference maker. Brian, He's talked about Nick Bolton and jam and Davis. I mean, these are two guys kind of flip flopping in that that realm of players

in that second round. Do you have any other guys there that the linebacker spot could definitely add to the room here in the Cowboy, Yeah, I think that it don't focus on Sean Leadley. I mean focus on the fact, like Bucky says, Layton Vanderish and Jalen Smith did not play very well, you know, and you don't worry about Sean Lee, worry about you start linebackers. That's that's a

cause for concerned even going forward right there. So you know, I want to there's a couple of different guys that I want to talk about though that with and it was interesting and I don't know if my guys have had a chance to see any of these guys as well. The mcgron kid from Cameron mcgroan from a Mischian would be a guy that I would like to Yeah, they

like to talk about. I think Patrick Johnson, the kid from Tulane is kind of a rush in, but maybe it could be an outside linebacker for you is right there we mentioned like Jabril Cox and people like that. I know that something. You know, Monty Rice was a guy at Georgia of a name throughout there during a

mock draft that we did. But I you know, I just think there's there's some guys out there that are clearly you know that those types of players that we really really like, but they're not that top first round type guys. They're just really steady, they're athletic, they're hitters, they run well. That if the Cowboys are looking for those guys that we just mentioned, that that could be a real, I think, a real one of those picks you look back and say, oh man, they hit on

a guy, They really hit on a guy with that film. Well, a lot of those guys is really really good. Jeff. Yeah, I think with linebacker in the NFL, I love what Bucky is saying about how important it is to have speed and coverability, and I think you have to be able to go one of two ways as a linebacker. Either you have that or you can rush the passer.

So like, I think that's why the name Zavan Collins was hot for a while to the Cowboys if they did some weird moving around towards the end of the first round somewhere the Tulsa linebacker, because I think he's a really good pass rusher. And then as you're going down your board and you're looking in later rounds, whether you're talking third through fifth or sixth round, a couple of guys we haven't mentioned that at least to me,

are fairly interesting. Well, I mean there's a lot of them right Baron Browning earlier in the draft, but as you get later on, I actually kind of like Derek Jones, linebacker out of or Ernest Jones I'm sorry, Ernest Jones out of South Carolina. I think he's an interesting guy. And then if you're going full blown developmental, there's a dude at per Due named Derek Barnes. Yeah, there you go.

That's a great when I mention, yeah, I think, yeah, I think there's there's interesting players that can develop or step in and play a certain role anywhere from rounds, Like I don't know, Ernest Jones, maybe he goes as high as the third. Maybe you're talking about the fourth, and but you know, as you're getting into Day three, I think there's still really interesting players at linebacker at edge. I really like the depth of this draft. I don't love the top of it, but I like the depth

of it. I tell you, I love the fact that Jeff mentioned Derek Barnes because he's in that group of that shorter linebacker. When you watch him play, but I'll tell you what, this guy can close it down when he's running the ball. When he's trying to run down that ball, he's really good. If you get him in space, he makes a ton of plays. He's a wrap up tackler. I mean, there's time. So they used him off the edge as a rusher and he was able to attack

the pocket. So yeah, if Dan Quinn play with the shorter linebackers that can run that, Derek Barnes from Purdue is a really really good name to keep an eye on. Yeah. It's fun because I think you guys are talking about where did the Cowboys go fishing? Do they go fishing early, first or second round? Or are they willing to take a chance on the developmental player, the one thing that

really will make it work. I want to see what Dan Quinn is going to do when it comes to his development program when he was with the foul because they had a thing called the Plan D program where ten to fifteen minutes after practice every day the coaches would spend time with the young guys, developing them. You add that up over the course of a week. Man, you talk about minutes upon minutes and hours upon hours of developing those guys so they could play the last

six games of the season. Do the Cowboys begin to implement some of that, because if they do, then I'm more confident and taking the developmental guy because you're giving them the time and the attention to allow them to develop instead of just giving it lift service and saying, oh, this's my late round guy. He's going to develop, but then we don't really give him a chance to develop. We saw that last year with Reggie Robinson at the

cornerback spot, not necessarily a linebacker, but a corner. We said, hey, we're gonna move in the safety. He was a fourth round pick, he'll be fine, we're gonna develop him, and then he sees one snap throughout the entire twenty twenty season. Very frustrating, very frustrating for draft nerds out there who really liked Reggie Robinson coming out of Tulsa and what he could do at the corner spot. Hopefully he's back

there in twenty twenty one. But you're right, if they're gonna pick up a developmental linebacker, they're gonna have to invest in that developmental linebacker. Whether it's a guy like Derek Barnes out of Purdue or maybe a Pete Warner out of Ohio State. There are names there. You just gotta pick him and then you got to invest him when that time comes around. Okay, we're gonna take our

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jacket off. Jeff, He's getting loose. As we get into the final nine minutes of the Draft Show, it's very Roger Goodell from like, what if we had one more segment, I think Bucky would be shut started into suit in his basement and by the end of the cigar and that was that was an all timer last year. I mean, and that's the thing is, we're gonna have another all time moment again this year, but we just don't know what it's going to be. That was the best one.

Was by the time he was done, he was just kicking his feet up and just read the draft picks from his chair. And then Dave Portnoy wins a dinner with him, and then it's just a whole whole mess after that. But we've got some predictions to make here on the Draft Show. These gentlemen will not be on our Day one coverage of the NFL Draft, and said you can catch Brian and Jeff on one oh five

three the fan. Brian real quickly just kind of go through what y'all's plans are for your draft coverage on Thursday. Of course, we will have our own draft coverage on on Thursday, and then we will combine the two for a Hodgepodge of Draft insider this on Friday and Saturday. But tell us what we could hear from on the fan on Friday. It'll be Jeff trying to get Yeah, it'll be Jeff trying to get the best wide receiver to the Cowboys at ten. That's what That's what the

whole show will be about. No, it's the coverage. Yeah, there we go, Jeff Jeff, which just kind of Jeff will be No. But it'll be a lot like what's going on with dot Com. You know, it's that you know, we've studied these players. Maybe it's not just about the Cowboys, it's about all these players. We're going to talk about, Hey, what happens ahead of them at Detroit, what happens aheaded Atlanta. You know, as you get past you know, we'll be able to kind of cover the first round like it

needs to be covered. If there's surprises, if there's trade backs, if there's trade ups, we'll have all the strategy. We'll have the understanding of what's going on, and it will be most off. The thing is we'll be able to tell you why this particular player went at this time to this team. So looking forward to another great uh weekend of coverage, not only on the fan, but with our friends at Dallas Cowboys dot com. Oh, I'm super excited for all of it. I'm also excited to hear

what you're Oh, they took him? What we hear in the open every every show, What is the moment, what's the Oh, they took a moment that you were going to hear from Brian broad Us this year with Kyle Pitts is there? Yeah, with Kyle Pitts. Yeah they yeah, but he's there. Oh, they took him. Yeah, that's that's yeah, but that will be that will We'll know they're gonna take him. They know they're gonna take him. So I mean, what do we collect Yeah, Michael Parsons, Oh yeah, Oh

they took him. Oh oh, well, you can be good. I feel like we'll be fine. I feel like pay would probably be be or like a Zeason qu quitty quitty pay quitty pay would cause a big time disruption to our draft process. I think yeah, I think there would be a collective ten seconds of silence in this room, and then down the hall where you guys are, there will be another ten seconds of silence in that room. And let me tell you, let me tell you this.

I've already got a folder with like the radio, with like the higher ups for dropping an F bomb on the radio. And I think if that, if it happened again, if they drafted quitty pay, I would have a second sheet of paper in that folder, and then I would probably lose my job because I now have two sheets of paper. That's saying I dropped an F bomb on the air. Oh great, I didn't know that first one even happened. I'm gonna have to go find that somewhere. Okay,

We've got five, and it was about a player. It was about a player. It was Paul Dawson from TCU. Guy asked me, he goes, what do you think about Paul Dawson. I go, f Paul Dawson. It went out on the air. So because we were in a break, the guy back in the control room forgot to turn us off. It was it was probably I was right if Paul Dawson, Oh gosh, goodness, gracious. All right, final predictions. We've got four minutes left, Bucky will start with you

who will be the Dallas Cowboys selection at pick number ten? Okay, So for so long I've been saying that pastor ten is going to be the pick, right, and then I get reminded of this information from Jane Slater about the connection between Mike McCarthy and Jac Horne's dad, Joe Horne. Joe Horn was the wide receiver in New Orleans when Mike McCarthy was dere He also was a player in Kansas City when I was there, and Mike McCarthy was a quarterback coach. And then they're talking about the connection

with Dan Quinn and New Ope must Champ. So at ten, Jac Horne is going to be the pick if he's only because of the familiarity and the relationship business Jac Horne Cowboys. There you go. I will see and people may be a little disappointed in this. I think this is the better pick in terms of ceiling. It's just like Jeff and I talked about previously, and Brian's mentioned it as well, about how the floor from Patrick Zertan

is just much higher than j C. Horn. But Brian, if this is the pick, Cowboys fans should be exceptionally excited, just over the top excited because this is a player you're gonna get that's gonna play a long time in the league. Yeah you are. You're going to get a player that's going to play an awful long time in the league. And the fact that how competitive he is. And it's not just about playing Kyle Pitts, but you know, we've talked about this kid will cover whoever your best

receiver is coming off the bus. He is going to take that receiver. And so you have to like the fact that he's willing to go do that. He has a very short memory. He gives up a play, he's right back at it. You know, all the great corners have that ability to put things in the past and to go forward. You know, we talk about, hey, and I got a discussion this morning with a guy about loyalty. They don't make players on the ball. They don't intercept.

Every bit of tape that I've been watching this year, all the ball production for some of these corners have been because of bad throws. Throws at the end of half or a team's down forty two to seven and they're just throwing the football. So you know, if you get your hands on the ball. Give me the guy that's gonna knock balls down the turnovers. That's great, but turnovers are either like tip balls, overthrows, or just damn luck.

You know. So, Jase Horne, Patrick Curtan, those guys. If you ask me who I think they're gonna take, I think they're gonna take Curtan. And I'll tell you why they're gonna take Curtan. Jasey Horne is gonna be gone before they pick Wow. I think Jase Horne ends up in Caroline. I think Jase Horne. I think Jase Horne's the first defensive player off the board. I think Carolina takes him at eight, and then I think the Cowboys take Patrick Curtan at number ten, and I think everything

everybody will be just fine with that as well. I think that's a good point, because who knows, they go a different number of directions. Carolina can we had them taking Mac Jones. That's probably unlikely at this point now that Sam Darnold's a part of the question, but hey, j C. Horne could be in that conversation if they thought he was the best player on their board. Now, Jeff, you're the only one that hasn't given their their selection. Who do you think the Cowboys will pick whenever tomorrow

night rolls around. Well, I want us to be right, you know, a collection, and so in honor of that, I just want to cast the net even wider instead of doubling on one of their picks, I will say, Rashawn Slayer, I just want to cover more ground here, And why would you do that? They take left tackles and turn them into all pros. They take left tackles and turn them into all pro guards. Well, I know who you're talking about when you say that, you're talking

about Rashawn Slater. I'm throwing it out there just in case Horn answered Tanner, gone, we got to cover more, cover more, square footed chair on the Draft show, Bucky, Why would this be a fan? Why would this be a great pick for the Cowboys? If for Sean Slater is the one taking a ten Because I think at some point we have to count for Tyron Smith and what he is, and he's an off injured player who's

going to be out of the lineup. If you're gonna give you a quarterback forty million dollars, you need to make sure that he's protected, upgrade the offensive line. If you really pinpoint the issues that the offense had last years because they couldn't protect and they couldn't get pushed. Investing the offensive line, make sure that the offense is great,

then you can force opponents to chase points. That will help the defense because now the running game is off the table and now it's about hunting and keeping them ball in front of the defense. You want to be a great team. The way Dallas could be great right away is to make sure that the offense puts up thirty and then they're just able to play ben But don't break defense. You don't need the defense to be great. You just need to be adequate. You know, I think

Bucky makes a great point. It only helps your quarterback, it helps your running back as well. It helps the offense overall. I do like what Jeff talked about because there could be a scenario we talked that we were saying that you lose both those corners. If all of a sudden, Carolina takes a guy and Philadelphia knows that Carolina is going to take that player there, Carolina could go to Detroit and get that other corner. Yeah, that

if you're a Cowboy fan. You need to be prepared that teams know that you're hunting cornerbacks and they might and they might say, Okay, we got to get ahead of Dallas. And once Carolina knocks off one or what's Philadelphia knocks off one, that whole thing with the offensive lineman scenario is clearly in play for this team. So many scenarios that are in play. And man, I cannot wait for the draft to finally be here. We're so close. The next time the Draft show will be on air,

we will all be in studio. Jeff and Brian will be in the building, they'll be down the hall. It's gonna be so much fun. I'm so excited for all of this to kind of tune out, Bucky really quickly. Where can everybody find you on Night one coverage of the draft? So Night one coverage of the Draft, I'll be doing it on Fox Sports Radio, Jay Glazer, myself, Leavar Arrington, and Kevin Burkhart will be anchoring that coverage. And then I'll be floating. I'll be doing all kinds

of other stuffs, just talking talking draft. There you go all over the place big time with Kevin Burkhart and Jay Glazer, look at Bucky Brooks. I love it. Maybe you get to put a tie on. I know it's radio, but the tie is certainly something need to do. Brian shaking his head. He knows it as well. He knows Jack, Bucky, Bucky ain't wearing a tie. Buck ain't wearing a tie. But I'll tell you, hey, Bucky, Hey, this whole thing. Man really enjoyed working with you all this time. Man,

really appreciate it's been good. Really, it's been good. I appreciate that. A lot of fun YouTube, Jeff has been It's been fun. Um having conversations in the base. That's all good. That's a war honor and a privilege sent to you. Kyle. It's been about you. Yetta figure that. That's okay. It's only year two for me. I'll figure out down the road. I guess I'll be okay. We'll be back on I guess Thursday tomorrow, six pm Central Time is when our coverage starts here on Dallas Cowboys

dot Com. We will be in studio, wall to wall coverage. Man, I cannot wait. But until then, for Chris Beam in the back, for Bucky Brooks, for Jeff Cavanaugh, Brian brought us. I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long and joint Draft Week everybody. We'll see you this week on the Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.