Draft Show: Embrace the Chaos?

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It is the Draft Show here at the Star in Frisco. Brian brought us manning the mic one more time? How about that? Can't get rid of me. I'm like, gum on your shoe.

It brought you back, It brought me back.

It's like it's like the the movie The Godfather.

Right, I haven't seen him, seen The Godfather, The Godfather.

It's Godfather three everything.

Every time I'm trying and get out, they pull me back.

Yeah, that's exactly. That's the that's the nineteen nine and one. That's the one that's not very good.

You need to see the guys.

I've been on like a big mob movie kick recently. Yeah, and I've had like three conversations about The Godfather in the last week.

So I do need to watch.

I need to watch.

So the Three's not worth it, though, I.

Mean, it's just it's stupid. It came around like sixteen years later. Yeah, I don't know, Like Mario Puzzo needed a buck or something, and so they made a third movie and it was a waste of time and it had Sophia Copela in it and she couldn't act.

No, here's here's here's not a waste of time for you. We're going to talk some draft today.

Yeah, we're gonna.

Talk some draft. We're inside a week well it's actually draft week, So I'll introduce my scouts here. Nick Harris, Bobby belt, i Issham Morrison, Chris Biemer in the back. I want to go around the room, and here we are really days away. We're starting to count down the hours. I want to go around the room and just give me one thought about It didn't have to be about a player, doesn't have to Maybe it's something you're hearing, Maybe it's something that you know you're feeling about this draft.

Yeah, I'm wondering when the trades will start firing off.

You know, away from the Cowboys pick, there's a certain level of expectation that I think we could all have for the Cowboys trading back in the first round. I think if a certain crop of guys are not on the board at twenty four, then they start getting on the phones. But aside from that, when do the trades start firing off for whoever's going to hop into the top five to get J. J.

McCarthy, Who's going to be that.

Team that kind of slides back to be able to get a better position with a defensive player, but also pick up draft capital in that top ten. So it's Monday, you would have to think those those things start firing off here in the next forty eight hours, but it also could be on draft nights. That's kind of the thought that I have coming into today. But as far as the Cowboys pick goes specific offensive line, obviously, I think for me, this is kind of where I'm leaning

Aisha got a thought for me? Your second draft. You've been a part of, done a hell of a job to get it to this point right now. Probably a little tired, We're all a little tired, probably a little irritable. You get a thought for son, where you feel like where you are right now.

I think we talked about it on the draft one on one thing.

I think everyone, by the way, hell of a job by all you guys too, And yeah, thanks to Brian, thanks to the fans out there.

Cam Lord.

I just I just think I've learned to deal with that boy.

Yeah, Bobby, Bobby's Bobby's good.

No.

So I think that I they feel like a lot of us are kind of dead set on it being offensive line this first round.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's just me because I like chaos, but I just feel like maybe they might surprise us in how they handle that first round.

Like you know, we.

Talked about obviously offensive line is in need. They've had success in getting offensive line in the first round and all those things. But I just I'm looking forward to seeing if they surprise us and maybe do some things that we don't expect.

This is this is important, man.

Like they haven't touched free agency, really, they haven't done really anything in the off season too, in my opinion, get better this draft. They have to have some urgency that maybe we haven't seen from them in a while. And so I'm wondering if Nick brings up trade backs and things like that. I'm wondering if they do have a little show, a little bit more urgency and do some things that we don't expect on day one.

Robert Belt, Yeah, I'm gonna be sweating all the way up to twenty four trying to see if Graham Barton's gonna come down or not.

Sure.

Yeah, I mean that's like I honestly, that's all I consider it because I've just I know there's a good possibility he's not there, and yet I'm sitting here just trying to conceptualize reality where he's not there, and it's really tough to then figure out where they go from there at Center.

And so for me, it's even.

Though I know there are other guys there that that makes some sense, like you just mentioned Troy Fatano, Jac Latham if he gets down there. You know, we've talked about Kingsley, Sua manta Ea, Like like you got these

For you at twenty four, if you guys were sitting in that war room and all of your thoughts are percolating, do you feel like that they have a handle on your issues right now? The things that you guys are thinking about, do you think they have a handle on how the board's gonna fall, or are we or is this for the first time in a long time, there's that chaos that we don't know is there? Do you

Outlet light, Like how predictable they think the first twenty three shars go.

Sure, I think I think.

Teams usually have a better beat on how things are going to fall ahead of them than than we realize. But I mean it certainly happened for the Cowboys openly acknowledged when they picked Seed Lamb, Like we had every mock Drafs scenario we ran.

He didn't get down there and so and so.

Like I mean, thinks things can happen in front of them and can be unpredictable, But I think they probably know where their land mines are, where where they know, like, Hey, if we like this guy, we got to watch out here here.

If we like this guy, we got to watch out here.

And I think they know what's probable and what they're looking at. Yeah, I think that they've got to handle on that.

I agree with all those points, but with that being said, kind of hearing all the smoke from the insiders and people that know a lot more sure, like the Daniel Jeremiah's.

Of the world. I don't know if they know more than us, but.

I would I would.

I would say that just kind of hearing from what they they have been communicating over the last week, scouts are fearing how wild.

This is going to get on Thursday night.

Yes, you know that there's there's an element of unknown that has been kind of more prevalent this year than in any other draft, and that the trades kind of play into that. That's that was kind of part of the my first answer as well, you know, when does that start firing off and when does the board kind

Why do you embrace the chaos?

I don't know if I embrace it, because y'all know I got anxiety, But at the same time, I just think Nick brings up a good point of just how top heavy this draft is in some positions, and then obviously a lot of the teams that need quarterback and just how that's gonna fall. I mean, I was surprised that you answered the way that you answered, though, Bobby. As far as like Brian asking is do you think that they have a good beat on things? I interpreted that as do you think that they feel the same

Confidence in brock Hoffman.

So I wonder I don't think it's enough personally, like we don't think it's enough to be like, oh no, we can grab a center later. But what if they really do feel like that from the inside.

No, I mean, I think I think that they absolutely would operate with brock Coffin at center because they need contingencies in place. I don't think that's anywhere near their their optimal plan. If you gave them a number of different options as to here's how the the off season can play out, here's how the draft can play out, Here's how your your lineup can look. I don't think their preference would be that that's your starting center next year. Again,

Sure?

Do they like Kaufman more than the like Man Pran as an option?

Like?

Are they looking at it that way or do they get all the way down to like, if Hunter Norzad goes in the you know whatever it is sometimes day three or whatever else, however really goes depending on how teams like him, Like, would they be willing to have a center they take on day three that they think, No, this is still a better option to us. That's what

And for me, it falls back into kind of the tune I've been singing since we started this is we with.

How season long these seasons are getting.

There is so much value in having backup offensive linemen that you really think can go get it. Aren't going to drastically change what you do offensively if you need to do it. Because we saw like it came down to the wire as far as the division goes, and one or two games that you dropped because your offensive line play wasn't great or the coach got a little because the offensive.

Line wasn't in place. I think that matters.

So brock Hoffman falls into that category to me, with the TJ Basses and things like that, of like, these are adequate backups that we've kind of seen be able to do some good things. I don't know if that means that they're just ready to go out there and start when you can get you know, a guy that can come in there and make a difference right away.

I do think that they believe TJ. Bass could start, actually wink. I think there's a lot more confidence in Bass right now at guard than now.

I don't know.

Is there a lot more confidence in the idea of Bass starting at center over you know, Hoffman at center. I don't know, but in terms of just talking about Bass playing guard Hoffain playing center, I think this organization has a lot more confidence today, right now, on April twenty second, and the idea of starting at left guard than they would in Hoffman.

How do you feel about that? How would you guys? Do? Do you guys think that TJ. TJ. Bass is capable of playing center?

We just got to see it. We haven't really seen it. The only times we've seen it as in practice reps. We saw it a little bit in training camp reps. But you've got to see it that that's that's it.

I kind of felt that way about Barton playing center right coming out of watching dude. I'm like, I've seen him play tackle, but.

You know, I seen what he did freshman year though.

Yeah, you go back and context, absolutely, But.

I think with TJ. Bass, I mean, he's the guard of the future.

I think he's the guard.

I think he's the guard of the future, and he's probably gonna be Zach Martin's eventual replacement if he doesn't slide into left guard this next season or or if so still, but I think you just kind of need to see what he's going to do at center for me to be able to buy in completely. But I think as it sits today, there's a training camp competition lined up at center between brock Hoffman, TJ. Bass and then whatever draft pick comes in.

I'm so excited for a center competition, aren't you. Guys haven't had one on this team in a minute. And that was weird too, the lack of competition there.

I mean, it was just it was time to be honest, his job just because he was existing.

Yeah, Nick, I got a question for you. Quarterback, offensive line, wide, receiver, corner back, which run is going to go first?

Okay?

Are we going like outside the top five here? I would assume.

Yeah, Okay, so like outside those top three quarterbacks and a couple of those receivers going, let's see, let's just take a look at my mock.

I'm gonna stick to this.

I would probably lean more towards I've just been feeling that these corners are going to come off.

I really do.

I got conon Mitchell coming off at twelve, Cherry and Arnold at thirteen, Nate Wiggins at fifteen.

Did you have Mitchell above or did you just do it because of the mock?

I have Mitchell above as well.

Okay, as well.

I have Mitchell as my number one corner. I love what he brings to the table from an aggressive, aggressive standpoint press, off the line, being able to hear routes. I love what he does and what he did at Toledo those four interceptions in a game. I'm going to bring that up a million times before the end of But uh, I think I think I'm leaning towards the corners now.

Could the receivers happen? Absolutely? Could the offensive line happen? I think so absolutely as well.

You got Joe Alton tell the essay, Fuaga and my mock that are going before Mitchell. But I think I think teams start looking up at pick twelve, and Denver's gonna be looking to parachute back.

Probably.

I think if they don't go up and get McCarthy and someone's gonna hop up to twelve, I think, and get a corner. That's that's kind of what I'm thinking, and it starts to run.

Bobby listening to go ahead, I show try to ask.

Why do you know your host?

No go ahead?

I was gonna ask, why do you think there's gonna be a run on corner with corner?

Again? With how deep corner.

Is, because yeah, these guys are the top guys, but when you get into the second round you find good things and a lot of even the second round guys, So why do you think that they will go get corner.

Yeah, you look at those names at the top and you and you see them slip into twelve, and I think that's that's probably where they go and be aggressive. This is just a guess here. Complete guests this board and fall a million different ways. But I think when they look at twelve and Quannon, Mitchell and Terry and Arnold are still on the board, people start getting on the phon because those are two good of talents to not go in the top ten.

Bobby Nick thinks the draft is going to start at twelve.

You there with him, I don't know.

I mean, look the way the uh right about that, Yeah, that's probably I've heard it twice.

Yeah, I've heard it twice.

Yeah.

Look, I mean the the way, the way all these stories are starting to come out about Jayden Daniels is not sure of his uh wants to know what options he might have other than the Commanders at number two, Like, I mean that that could kind of throw a monkey wrench into things. Obviously, who comes up and gets either the Arizona pick or the Chargers pick, which is what we assume. It may not happen, but if you know who the Vikings are assumed to want to come up

Yeah, I was gonna ask you where you think the using.

Offensive line like to me, because it's just it's so that there's so many good offensive linemen at the top but it's just it's like once you get past like a collection of eight to ten guys, it just it drops in the.

Quality pretty quickly.

So I think like teams are going to just be like, got to get one of these eight to ten if we want an offensive lineman, let's do this now, like we need to get So I think alt Fashion, New Latham, Fuaga suamata Ea, MEM's got Like you start going down the list, I think that by the time we get out of the top fifty picks, most of those are going.

To be gone.

Aisha though offensive line run bad for cowboys.

Right, I mean, yeah, But the way that we've talked about it is like even if they if there is a run, there's a possibility that you mean you mentioned, I think that there somebody's going to be there, that.

They're interested, that you have some interest.

In if it falls correctly, especially if it doesn't start to twelve, right, and especially if they don't start boogeing to twelve.

So I mean, I think I think it could be harmful.

But then also too, you brought up, and you brought up multiple times that the best player on the board might.

Be a defensive play.

Yeah, at that point If that happens and people just like I want all the offensive linemen.

Nick, will everybody go nuts if they pick an off they pick a defensive player at twenty four.

I don't think everybody would go super nuts, but there'd be some questions, especially if it's like Biron Murphy that plays at three tech, or if they parachute back to like thirty and take Edrian Cooper or Peyton Wilson. In that sense, then I think there would definitely be some questions that would have to be answered that night one press conference.

If you back up to thirty, Bobby linebacker or maybe Fraser at center. I mean, that's how I would look at it. If you backed up to thirty and we went through all the and you guys did a great job the other day when we went to the trade back scenarios of kind of we've all determined that we want Kansas City to call right now is who we would like. But Bobby, if you were to trade back, is it still one of those offensive tackles. Is it the center now now? Or could the best player on

I mean, man, if you pick up the extra draft capital, then I don't have a problem if you go back and say we're going to take Cooper here at Texas A and M.

I don't have a problem with that.

So you depending on how much capital you pick up, say what can I get because I mean, I think this is a relatively deep draft at other spots that they need. And so if they pick up extra capitol and say, hey, we can get you know, Cooper here, because I think that that's a bigger ask to expect that he's going to make it to you in the second round or to be there later, then some of these centers that you might like that could get to

I issue you want to follow up with anything on that?

All right, I'm sorry, no, no, I was just listening.

Yeah, okay, one thing about my mark about going back to the runs, I just kind of counted before pick twenty four, six offensive lineman coming off the board and three corners. But I just have those three corners coming off a little bit quicker. But I still expect there to be a run on offensive lineman. I still do

All right, With that being said, though, on the potential run, how willing are you all before we go to break, How willing are you you guys to just sit there and let it happen and not trade up and not trade up.

Yeah, that's that's where it gets interesting. Because you don't have a ton of draft capital this year. You probably don't want to sacrifice some next year, even though you are expecting comp picks next year. It just depends what kind of assets you're willing to give up.

I don't think you can do it.

I don't think you can.

Like I mean, they're just there.

They've made a conscious decision to Barton address the depth through the even Barton at nineteen. It sucks. It's a reality of the draft that sucks. But I mean to me, it's like you, you've made a conscious decision to replence your depth through this draft, and that's the how to fourth round pick.

You can't give up anymore.

H Yeah, that makes sense.

I mean, I just think they don't have Like I said before, they haven't done anything. This is their money maker right now, so they need to go in and go in there with the mindset that they have to get better. So however they decide to do that, you're saying you don't think that they should ransom ani picks for next year or anything like that.

No, Like I mean, I think like the the the extra capital that they have being in the like fifth round, I don't think that that's gonna be enough that somebody will be like, yeah, I'll take a fifth round or next year, I'll let you move up five spots in the first round. So you don't have the cap and the capitol it would take to move up using next to your stuff, like you you're gonna start depleting again the top. It's a little bit of your chasing your

So we're a team now of like we're interested if we don't have our guy below the hatches and go and die for the bottom, right yep? Okay man, Yeah that's tough. Yeah, that's tough. You know, that's tough because to me, I just think there's so much I think there's a lot of unknown there, you know, and then if you're not willing, like you say, you seem like we're I don't know, kind of willing. Oh we won't take Frasier might be a reach. I don't look at it really that way myself.

Oh that's just like, yeah, this is on my they may not view it that way.

And if they look if they evaluated Zach Frasier's being somebody that they felt comfortable with taking at thirty, yeah, like I'm gonna assume they've got him more right than I do, because they've got a track record of having guys all right now.

And you're right, No, you're right. And I just like I said, I know he doesn't get to you at fifty six. I know that for a fact. So anyway, all right, we're gonna take a first break and we come back. We're gonna get to your Twitter questions. And then after that though, I got some more questions for my scout buddies here. We'll do that all next.

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All right, Uh, it's it's time for one of our favorite segments of Twitter were on the Twitter thanks being to appreciate that. Okay, hey guys, first question comes from on Twitter is from Let's Talk Ball. Let's Talk Ball says say, your team is definitely picking one of either Peyton Wilson or Jonathan Brooks in the second round. Which one do you want and why?

Nick?

I'll go to you first on that one.

Yeah, So on my board, I'm going to stick to it. I would take Peyton Wilson just based on what he brings to the table like this. I think he the medical concerns are there, yes, and from what we've heard, it's not you know, there's not anything that makes you feel great about where he is medically. But you can look at the past two seasons, him staying healthy these last two seasons for the wolf Pack, what he was able to do on the field, what he was able

Aisha Oh, I was like, I was looking for Bobby.

I want to bounce off Bobby. Bobby, what'd you got?

Uh?

You know it, Brooks.

And it's nothing to do with Texas. It's got everything to do with it. It's no, no, no, it has nothing to it has nothing to do with the Texas stuff. It has everything to do with Uh. You know, we we have Dame Brugler on here, Dame Brugler from straight from his draft guy talking about you're talking about double

He's a really good player.

To me, again, we're talking about the the margins are so thin in terms of making sure your depth is set for this next year and what you have moving forward. We saw just what an unexpected injury and to Marvin Overshown did last year at linebacker for the Cowboys, and there's a little bit.

Of an expectation.

I would think with Peyton Wilson, like he's going to get hurt at some point, and even if he stayed healthy for two years, something will happen at some point, and I just I don't know that they can have their depth challenged on that. With Brooks, there's nothing long term about Brooks's health. Everything you hear is that he is salt of the earth, high character, high football character kind of guy. And to me, he's the best running

Yeah, I mean for me, as far as Brooks goes, Yeah, he's the safer pig. Yeah, sure, he's a safer pick as far as you know. You talk about the injury history and all that stuff.

But I struggle.

But I'm telling I'm I I can't wait to be able to hear some of these conversations in these war rooms after saw said and done with the conversations of Peyton Wilson. And I think for this team in particular, you need a mic like you need a mic, even if it's of the future. And this is to me the best mic in this draft, maybe one of the best mics we've seen in a minute. And how he communicates, how he processes, and I think Nick brings up a good point of what he showed at the Senior Bowl.

Post that Brooks is connected to the team. You know, we know that right now.

Watch the draft show, right, I'm standing at that table with those dice in my hand, Nick, I'm standing there. Yeah, I'm ready.

Peyton Wilson.

Yes, it's a serious to me. It's hard.

Yes, I'm standing there and I'm looking at you guys, putting your chips where they need to be because we're about that, We're about to flip these dice.

I wut a tier.

I will be shutting a tier while those dice are flying because I love Jay Brooks.

But yeah, I'm with you.

Who do you have ahead of fame Wilson.

No, I'm said Brooks. I have Brooks as as.

Great asby Bobby's betting on me, snake.

Here's the thing I think, I think again, when you watch that, they've made certain Now, look, they've got a long history of taking red flag players, medically red flagged players in the second round. They've got a long history of taking medical flagged linebackers Bruce Carter, Shanlee, Jaylen Smith, DeMont Clark, most recently Layton vander sh like they've they've done it consistently, so they're not afraid to do it.

But I do think that, like we got to put into the context.

Here as well, that they said we need more reliability, So we are willing to walk away from Hall of Fame left tackle and put ourselves in a position to where we're kind of in need walking into the draft. So if they were that concerned about reliability on that front and affordability, I don't know why they would want to put themselves in that position at linebacker again after they've clearly made some stuff like hey, we need we

Run it up there.

I'm channeling my I'm channeling it. Yes, And there's some fate here with his son in the draft. There's some there's some Yeah, I'm feeling it.

Do you think some of that confidence though, comes from like I wouldn't, I don't want to, I don't want to.

Say the wrong thing, but to your welcome to the draft.

But Bobby brings up the fact that they might be more hesitant because of the recent history. And then also too, you know, they've they've they've done, they've seen what it's like to get a second round player, have do their surgery, do all their medical and all this stuff, and then and then they're not on this team or they're injured often.

I don't think it's I don't think it's arrogance.

I don't.

I don't know, no, no, no, I know, I know.

I think it's I think it's uh where they're comfortable taking calculated risk, and they typically have said like will bank on talent versus the risk, like if we're there in the second round. A lot of times in the first round they're banking on projections raw talent, whatever else. But I mean, there haven't been like a whole lot of you know, medical concern or you know, character flag

We'll take that risk.

There.

They're less willing to make the risk when there's probably a lot of other first round players around their pick and so let's go something a little safer, Whereas in the second round it may be, well, that's the last guy who's a first round type of talent, and nobody wants touching because the medicals, we'll chance it, we're gonna roll the dice on. I don't think it's necessarily that they think they're more equipped than everybody else to handle it.

Good conversations, all right, Josh Weaver wants to know, and Nick, I'll start with you on this one. It's good we're speaking of linebackers. Can you give them some Can you give them some Day three linebackers Day three Day three significant playing time this year that are drafted by the.

Cowboys significant playing time.

I'm gonna start with that part of the question first, just because you would have to, you would have to figure out how they get around to Marvey and over shown Damon Clark and Bark Kendricks. Yeah, but let's let's let's let's bite for a second some Day three guys that they have been interested in throughout the process. You can look at Jordan McGee out of Temple. You can look at John Trey Hunter out of Georgia State. You could look at Curtis Jacobs out of Penn State, and

Curtis Jacobs.

I think this is one of the more fun Day three backer options just because he's versatile. He can do both of these things. I think he's still got a ton of upside that you can add to his game. This is a guy that I think a couple of years from now, if you have to move on from Kendricks after this season, I think this is a guy who could be ready to step in on Day two. A couple of other names I want to throw out there, ty Reese Knight out of UTEP.

I really love his athletics.

That's what I was hoping you would mention.

Man his athleticism is awesome and to be able to bring a minor over from lpass so that'd be super cool to have once again in the building. And then a last name, I'll throw out that he was really productive for Washington last year and was huge in their playoff run at Afuano Lafochio. I think he's he's a guy that can be more well rounded as well. Ceiling probably not as high as Curtis Jacobs is, but I still like his upside.

Oh yeah, I wanted to comment on Curtis Jacobs. We got to we had the pleasure of meeting him at the Shrine Bowl. But I want to say, though you're talking about like he hasn't really had a lot of injury issues or whatever, but this this, this is this is old man a little bit like he's he's he's played a lot of football, which is a good thing. It's it's a good thing. But I also understand that there's tread on those tires. As far as how much he's played in his gleat career was like fifth year,

Right right, hey, forty five games for a four year guy.

Forty five games good insight right there.

Yes, I mean I do like the name John Trey Hunter. I think that that's a good one. I think that that's somebody who can you know, he can play inside or outside. He's more well built, I think than a

The biggest problem with him is he's light. He's like two twenty five.

I deal with a lot of these guys in Day three like that, aren't we. Yeah, some lighter type players.

Yeah, he's light. He's he's gonna and it shows up. There are times he has struggle getting off of blocks. He doesn't play with a lot of power. But I think, you know, if you get him here and you feel like, hey, we can fill out that frame a little bit, I think the instincts are fantastic. It's gonna be really hard, I think, to find anybody who can come in and start for you at linebacker this year on Day three. But I do think that Stell Chambers is somebody that interests me as a project.

It's crazy that you bring him up because I've talked about him on Girls Talk, Boys Talk a couple.

Times, and.

I think to your point, with the instincts and being able to I if still doesn't it's still Chambers doesn't do anything. He to me, because he is a little lighter,

But I personally think if a team gets a hold of him, he.

Can really really really make your special teams better immediately with how he plays.

If I can mention, I don't know if you guys have seen this guy. I mean, there's a lot of linebackers that look at real quick and but JD. Bertrand from Notre Dame. Okay, I'm just going to say a couple of things about him. He's six tenties two thirty five. He is one of the quickest readers of scheme that I've seen. Of these linebackers, There's been some good ones, but I think this guy his ability to process information quickly and react to the play. He's got a quick

I haven't seen him yet, but looking at his combin photo here, he's got a first round grade of jaw line.

He looks like a superhero.

He's a square built guy for sure. Okay, our final question for you guys on Twitter on the twenty would any of you guys be surprised if Johnny Newton, the defensive tackle from Illinois, would be the pick at twenty four that's coming from Raoul.

Yeah, that would surprise me. It would be fun.

Don't get me wrong, but yeah, it would surprise me a It's kind of the same reason we talked about why Byron Murphy would be a little bit of a surprise. I feel like Johnny Newton would be even more of a surprise, only because you know, he was a guy that they really haven't done a ton of homework on over the course of the draft process, didn't have a formal with him at the combine, didn't bring him in for a thirty. So I think to pull the trigger on him at twenty four would be would be definitely

Be funny because I literally, as soon as you said the Bucks, I pictured him in a Bucks Jersey and it looks right.

Yeah, him going back home to Florida, that'd be fun.

No, it looks right in my mind. Uh yeah, I agree.

I guess I would be surprised, But correct me if I'm wrong. Did we have him from any type of Did the Cowboys have a thirty visit with what was the offensive lineman that they were going back and forth with Mazia about run?

Did they have a thirty visit with him?

I'd have to look that up real quick here.

I don't believe that. I don't believe if I'm remembering correctly. We didn't start. I think we didn't think about him until the week of right like we had talked about it.

We had talked about him as a player, but they hadn't really.

All of a sudden he's showing up.

He wouldn't publicly like did he have a thirty visit?

I know that I don't remember. I know they met with him at the combine and stuff, But.

That's just what came to my mind.

Yeah.

The bigger thing with that is just.

The on bergeron like that that filled something that they needed. And this year it feels like you've got even more challenging depth issues, and that's one area where it's like, well, your starter's in place, like you've got a three technique. So I would be surprised if it was any three technique with that first. But if it was Byron Murphy, if it was Johnny Newton, I would be really surprised if they picked a three technique defensive tackle in the first two days.

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There you go. All right, thank you very much for all that. All right, as we finish off this final segment of the day, Bobby, I want to ask you this question. Your second round graded player who you wouldn't be surprised ends up getting taken in the first or maybe higher. If you look at your board, who's the one second round player?

I just know somebody I have great in the third round will go second overall. So there's that. So I'm gonna adjust a little bit.

Do you hate does is it there? Does he hate the LSU quarterback that much?

Shrike May?

I think?

No?

No, no, Daniels, Yeah, okay, yeah.

It's yeah, poor Man's Lamar Jackson. I'll pass.

No.

I think that.

Uh, you know the guy that you know studied, We talked, we talked about it.

Calm down, l s U.

Okay, Brooks over the really good linebacker.

All right, all right, well look I look at it.

Second round guy.

Yeah, Eddrian Cooper. I think Edrin Cooper is a guy who very easily could end up back into the first round. And obviously I mean like we've.

Maybe even higher than the back of the second round or.

Or sorry, back into the first round.

Like he's he's the guy that I have in the second that I think could because I think there's teams that probably have him as the top linebacker and are willing to say, hey, if we have a need here, we're need to say if you look at like the when we get to the conference championship games. One of the things that's funny because we're sitting here talking about

And they've all invested there.

San Francisco, Kansas City, Baltimore, Detroit, they've all invested in those positions. They've all had quality players there. And I think that Cooper is a guy who it became a little bit like linebacker was it felt like was the running back of defense for a little bit in terms of how people were valuing it. It feels like people are kind of coming back around and saying, no, there's some value here. You can't just throw anybody out there.

For me, you know, Nick talks about the run on cornerback happening. I look at all these cornerbacks out side of outside of Keon Mitchell, and I look at Terry and Arnold and I like the player, but there are some things I didn't like Wiggins. You talk about the side, I think that Cooper Degene from Iowa could.

Definitely be someone that someone takes in the first round.

This guy, when I watched him, and again I think key On Mitchell was fantastic. I really don't think he's that far away from being that complete corner that can do it all.

He can play in zone, he can play in man.

He's disciplined, he has good size, he's a strong tackler, multi sport athlete. The guy's done it all, very productive in his time in Iowa. We know how the rest of the league view some of these Iowa players, but this guy is just a dog and he's he's just he's consistent, and we talk about we talk about Jackson, Parish Bowers, Johnson and just the consistency. I feel like Cooper Degene has kind of suffered a little bit from that is that he's so consistent that you almost forget

So I'm very interested to see if whoever takes Cooper Degini throws him in special team situations because he was so.

Funny and then sprinkling that too.

Yeah, I mean this is this is an exciting, multifaceted player, and I think teams value that. But you also get a corner that you know is gonna come in right away, and you talk about the confidence, you talk about how intelligent he is. I think he could come in and hold it down.

So that's my guy, Yeah, my safety one.

That's that's my safety you So, Patty, I think I think, I think I think people might look at Tirian Arnold as a safety.

I want to get into that.

No, I'm not gonna get into it like that because we've talked about it before. I just think the length and some of the stuff he does, I think that some people might look at him as a safety guy.

Detroit went from being what a kind of a corner or some branch branch boy. He played well for them, played in the slot too, and stuff like that. Who do you got, man?

What you got?

You got the second So I only have nineteen first round grades. So there's a lot, honestly that I that will be picked in the second round obviously. So I'm gonna kind of the outside of the box here a little bit, and not even too far outside the box. Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Yeah, I know, that's it's a it's a name that's been very hot.

I guess I'll get to my next question.

Yeah, for late in the first round.

Teams like him. Teams really like when he shuts to the table. As far as lining up inside, lining up outside. You see his athleticism. All of the concerns that I think he had coming into the draft process from an athletic perspective, he has answered so for teams at least, and I think he's a guy that'll probably end up late first round potentially. And then Darius Robinson out of Missouri Edge, he's just picking up so much steam to be a late first round pick. And I had heard

I believe that.

Go ahead.

What about the test? What happened with him?

Was it?

Was it the Darius Robinson?

But yeah, I felt like I felt like people stopped talking up the media folks.

Yeah, us folks. I think we stopped talking.

About him after the combine because it wasn't super special, you know what I'm saying, Like he didn't stand out like that, But when you watch the tape, he's just this freaking book.

Yeah, when you're a two hundred and eighty pound edge, I don't think a combine is necessarily your your your best friend necessarily from like a testing perspective. But as far as him being able to line up anywhere from three tech outside to seven, I think I think there's a lot of things he can bring to a defensive line.

He's versatile.

That's that's where that's where you get the value in Darius Robinson's versatility.

Bobby is Hicks got a shot from Washington state.

Maybe I don't.

I wouldn't think so, but I mean it's definitely possible, I guess. I mean, Hicks I think is going to be the first safety for a lot of teams. So I mean, if somebody wants to, you know, address that position back into the first I don't don't think it's like a terrible reach either. Like I really like Jadan Hicks. I just I don't know that the demand is going to be there. I don't know how many people are

I think most of the NFL has Hicks above Nuban.

Yeah, And so that's one where, like I think the draft, Twitter social media sphere has not been in lockstep with them on that. So I think there's a good chance Hicks goes before Nuban. I just don't know if it's back into the first Yeah.

I mean I think a lot of that has to do with affected and I think Nuben's fantastic and he can play some free safety, some strong safety, but it's also too with Jayden Hicks, And again it's not that Nuban doesn't do it.

But it's just how he feels in the run game too, and.

With just how many how many teams are doing things trying to get guys out in space and stuff, having a safety that can.

Cover ground like that. But I also like how you operated in dime.

I was surprised by just how comfortable he is, uh covering all that ground and and and in carrying defenders.

So yeah, with Jayden Hicks's I agree with you.

It's it's kind of like how we look at Adrian Cooper and Peyton Wilson is like one A, one B in that situation.

To me as well, any chance that Coraley gets picked in the first round, I.

Don't I don't think so. I would love that, but I don't think so.

I just thought a fire.

I haven't heard a lot of smoke around around that. I think when you're talking about those receivers who could go first round, it's kind of limited to Xavier Worthy, Lad McConkey out of Night Mitchell. Yeah, probably those three guys, And I think if you go beyond that, then you're still talking Keyon Coleman and then maybe you start talking about Coraley and Legett, But I think those are comfortably second round guys.

I don't think nobody's gonna get googly at and take Exavier Worthy just because he's super Definitely.

Could oh yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like they would be jumping on a guy before a guy.

Like me all right in the h in the last five minutes we have here. This is kind of been a touchy subject for a lot of folks, But I'll ask this question.

Let's put some people off.

Brian.

Yeah, where do you guys stand on all these potential medicals that we're dealing with. We got all these medical things that have come up about these players since the combine. We've you know, whether it's the center, the linebacker, the running back. Where where are you guys? Are you numb by it? Are you do?

You?

Are you saying? Listen? I trust my team is going to do the right thing, you know if they take my guy obviously cleared. I mean, I just feel like there's a lot of good players. I think there's probably more. There's players on our board that we haven't even talked about that have medical things that that probably that all of a sudden, we're gonna be like, Okay, Nick, who's your who's your best player? And then all of sid it's three guys that you're like, I don't understand why

I'm trying to keep it very circumstantial and put each guy in kind of a vacuum of what they're dealing with, But you do have to kind of factor in a guy like Graham Barton, who's deal. He's been dealing with the torn laborum throughout the draft process, and that's something you just we just haven't talked about because we've been talking about Jackson powers, Johnson and his medicals. We've been talking about Peyton Wilson or Jonathan Brooks, et cetera, et

Good.

So well, sure, Bobby, how do you feeling about all the medical information you're starting to get?

Yeah, I think the stuff that I can that that's just out there publicly on display for everybody to see. You know, a lot too was medically retired for his neck. You know, Peyton Wilson has had a bunch of surgeries since high school. Like those sorts of things there that I can see and I can discern, It's like that's right there on the table for me. I don't know how comfortable I feel going after that. So so those

Wow.

I mean, and when you talk about Center, I know how Center crazy you are. Yeah, Brian, your top three centers all have all dealt with injuries at this point, because Fraser dealt with the knee as well, right, So.

It's it's it's I think it also it.

Depends, Like like Nick said, he doesn't he tries to put them in a vacuum and kind of sort out, Okay, what is their position, what do they do, how much depth do you need there, whatever the case may be. I think that for me is what plays into it. Because even when we were talking about Brooks earlier, I mean, yeah, like I don't like the fact that he's had an ACL but he can recover from that.

Now.

If this was like five six years ago, maybe I would be more concerned because the committee aspect was not what people were doing. Like that you had like a guy that ran the ball a whole bunch and couple maybe a couple of gentlemen just fill in here and there with short yardst situations.

That's not what football is right now.

These running backs are being asked to do more wide receiver things as well, and they're lining up outside and stuff. It's not This game isn't as punishing to me from the running back position.

So I might be a little bit more open.

So I think it also just depends on the position what you and also to the specific depth on this team and what you need from that player right away. But these are the top three centers are all coming off injuries or they have issues.

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