Draft Show: Early Round Scenarios

Draft prospects over the past couple of weeks. With eighty four days left, the Senior Bowl is now in the rearview mirror and we're back with the crew of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show with Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner,

David Hellman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. Thanks for joining us here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio and guys Senior Bowl in the past, and I think Dave and I would both agree that you two were the ones that won that battle in terms of the weather that you didn't have to go through being out at the Senior Bowl. You got to sit in your cozy ac heater and watch some drapp bole practices, but man, it was cold out there, and I'm glad to be back in a st WBC Mortgage Studios completely agreed. We did not win.

We did not win. Why is that? Being at the Senior Bowl's fun? It was fun. I'm not allowed to go anymore. I'm sorry. They say I got too important. You're a radio big shot. Yeah they can't. They can't make it without me anymore. I remember when you and KT snuck off that one year and drove yourselves. I used vacation days. Yeah, I had to use vacation days to go balls at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, I wanted to go. That just means you're committed to your craft.

We checked into our hotel room at a three am, okay, and they put us into our room where they give us our room keys. And as we walk in, there's an open bag of Dorito's, two open Mountain Dews luggage that's opened with stuff in it and strewn across the floor. And we walked right down. We're like, um, our room's not empty. It's the Senior Bowl experience, like mid quality hotels, not great weather, really good football players though, yes, yeah

the mobile dream Yeah, good food food. I'm jealous. You guys got to watch Denzel Mims run route in person, and I know we only played like two hours down the road man probably twelve opportunities to see him play earlier this year. Yeah, well, shots fired at kat. I'm

not going to a lot of Baylor game. You know what's really funny is Denzel Mims seems like he stole a lot of people's hearts, which I mean he's got he's got the tape to go with it, obviously, but like a lot of people were talking about him at the Senior Bowl, and I think it just goes to show how loaded this receiver classes that I watched all three days of practices and I was taken with about three or four other guys before Mems was even on

my radar. Well, I liked Mims's tape already at Baylor, so I was kind of like, okay, what everyone saw this right when he did it the last three years at Baylor, Like good production. And that's his up and down of a program you could have had over the last three years. Sure, Okay, So I'm sitting there going so now he's everyone's sweetheart. I liked him from the beginning, and I liked him so much that he's my thirteenth

ranked wide receiver on my board. That's kind of point. Yeah, No, that's kind of my point is like he is, he's a damn good player. But again, like have fun stacking up this receiver class like I thought. I thought kJ Hill from Ohio State was like the toast of Senior Bowl week. Man, he was out there making people look silly. Those guys are stacked up like club sandwiches on my board.

It's terrifying to try to store out the early pet cat of Jeff Cavanaugh, Michael Pittman junior that was out there the first couple of days of practice, and then you had Antonio Gandy Golden that looked good from Liberty for a little bit. I mean, there were so many receivers that really just jumped off the page, jumped off the field. You can immediately Chase Claypool. Claypool was great all week, Evin duvern Age, one Jennings. So I have Jefferson,

Jeff is the Jeff is the wide receiver guy. Right. So when I always don't put pressure on me, I always want to put pressure on But I have on my board and this is the back of the third round grade right here, okay. And then I added three to four on my wide receivers. I'm gonna do two on my wide receivers. I have got him stacked up

like this. Here's my third round grades going down. Michael Pittman, Devin du Verney, too low fine, John high Tower, haven't seen him, Denzel Mims, and then kJ Hill of Ohio State and Tonio Gandy, Golden Quintez Cepist from Wisconsin's very interesting, okay. And then leading off the fourth round Van Jefferson from Florida, Florida, Colin Johnson from Texas not too far down, like it's just loaded, and I this is this is not gonna

work like there there's just it's gonna work. Well, no, No, what I'm saying is like there's gonna a lot of good players who are disappointed at their NFL paychecks for the rookie contract, and there's there's some round guys who're gonna get drafted in the fifth round. That's going to happen. Be a lot of happy NFL teams that where they can get some badass receivers. Hopefully the Cowboys included. Denzel Mims isn't going in the third round. That's what I was kind of gonna go to as well. You have

him that so that's your third round. Grow. Yeah, you thought you liked him, you thought you were like two sleeconds ago. I love him. I got him in the second. I think I've got him low second as well. He's good. If you've got him low two, then then he's going ninety. Is the law of averages, like some of these guys have to fall. That's how it's gonna the NFL. They can take anything's gonna be eighteen receivers aren't gonna get drafted in the second round, like I don't know that

I do. That's where I got him. All great, I do know every one of them is the second round for you're gonna have You're gonna have a guy with a two next to his name sitting there on day three. I'll tell you that right now. And that's not a knock at your twos right now or Te Higgins, Michael Pittman, Levisca Chenault, Denzel Mims, and Brandon I because I don't think. I I'm just saying, wow, it's gonna happen for you, Like a guy's gonna be there on day three. That

you're shocked he's still there. Oh yeah, and then we'll pick him. Yeah hope. So there's guys in the sixth round here you're going, that's a good player, and that normally never happens. So like, that's totally gonna happen this

year in the wide receiver group. And I think if there were a year to have it happen in terms of wide receivers for Dallas, because there are so many different positions of need, I think the best year to have a deep wide receiver class like that where you could address some of those needs in the third or the fourth round. I think this year might have been

the perfect scenario. And it kind of sucks, I guess to be an NFL wide receiver that's a free agent, yeah, because you're going, okay, well, there's a lot of teams you're just gonna go, well, I know what this draft class is gonna wait, it's legitimately anything you need slot guy, big slot outside guy, a possession wide receiver. You know you can you have pretty much everything you need in multiples, and normally there might just be there's really just one

pure slot separator that I really need to have. Well, no, I get like five of them right now, the top one hundred twenty maybe, and that's where it's gotta be very difficult. But to bring it back home, this is where the whole like hen Randall Cobb's going to be here, and this team is probably not gonna do any of that stuff, but they can get a good player and develop him. In round five, you can get a guy.

I mean, I think the Michael Gallup pick at eighty one, we were all shocked that he was still there or when that happened. You're gonna get that same type of feeling if this team pulls the trigger on a wide receiver on day three somewhere, because you'll go, ok, that might be a pretty good player who can help us down the line. I feel exactly the same way. Why don't you just let his statements stand then? Yes, say

say that was good enough? Katie, This is exactly yeah, Well you just wanted to hear yourself say shut up. I agree, shut up, Jeff Yea. In terms of Denzel MAM's I feel like we can all kind of agree that his stock rose a little bit during the Senior Bowl week, right sure, ago, So that's well, yeah, the problem is your school is the problem Baylor when you watch him play, he runs stop routes, slant routes, and

fly routes. But it was Baylor is so simple, so you have no idea what the guy, just like Coy Coleman coming out, but nod what he can do. He can run fast. It was a little different. It's still limited in terms of a route tree, but there was more to it than Corey Coleman. And that's where I put a little more stock into his tape than I

did Corey Coleman. So I was never terribly high on to be honest, Like, there is a little more when Matt Rule came in, there was a little more a difference to the offensive scheme, but it's not you know, it's run an occasional dig. Yeah, you know, here's a couple of outward break four rounds. But we'll talk a little bit about him, I know in the third segment, because I can we tease a head to the third segment. Yeah, Jeff has three draft scenarios, which we've gotten a lot

of questions about this, so like it's well timed. Yes, So we're gonna break down like different options you could take in the first three rounds correct, yep, yeah, you know, different players in different rounds, and then where you would go in the following rounds depending on where you went in the first is kind of where we're gonna hit at before. We gonna be exciting before we do that, though,

I'm curious. I mean, me and Kyle spent the whole week together, we compared notes, we did shows down there, so I feel like we're pretty on the same page. But was there anything else from Senior Bowl that jumped out to you in terms of a position, group or a player. Shout out to the NFL Network for showing a lot of this. That's I mean, you can, you can. It's not quite as good as being at lad People's Stadium, yeah, but you can follow the Senior Bowl better than ever

before at this point. Got a pretty good hunk of Dayton tape that came in during during Senior Bowl week, our secret secret underground tunnel that we that we got and got to watch even more Troutman tape. And and then when he went and did we did the Senior Bowl, I went, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm comfortable. So you like,

oh yeah, I liked him. I liked him on watching two games on YouTube, and then when the dayton load came in through our little secret thing that we have, I was starting going, Okay, yeah, this is a legit player because it's not just like a couple quick flashes. It's every single game manning up and beasting on dudes and then going in doing it's Division one guys. At the Senior Bowl. Troutman was huge last week. I thought this is a perfect segue because it's something I've been

thinking about since I saw him. And then another one is obviously Kyle Dugger, the lenor Ryan Safety. Everybody's in love with him. I had no less than three people who would know tell me that he's a top fifty prospect. But my question is for anybody that wants to answer it, Cowboys drafting either of those guys based on their history under Will McClay, that's what I can't get past. No, probably not, And where you would have to take him

would be your second round pick? Eat both of them? Right, Yes, both of those guys, because neither one would be an option seventeen, I would imagine, and I don't think they still Ryan seventeen, and I don't think they'd still be there at eighty one. Either I would take a small school talented guy over a big school guy that's not very good well and made that mistake. Kind of playing off of that. Kyle Dugger did get a chance to

talk about that during the Senior Bowl week. We've got a clip from Dugger in the conversation that he had kind of talking about the kind of player that Kyle Dugger believes you would get if you drafted him. Some people don't think necessarily just because I went to a small school that I should have had the opportunity to be here, and others just feel like I won't have success here um and doctors can't make the adjustment. Things

like that. Just really a lot of doubts on just coming from the small school and me not being able to have success. Um. I feel like it's definitely an underdog mentality. UM. I guess you would call that pride and kind of make them together. But uh, it's gonna it's always gonna be there. I don't know, it's it's something that's that's going to be pretty permanent for me. It's having that pride in that and that underdog mentality.

So I feel like it's going to show up a lot, especially when I'm allowed to touch the field and really start feeling it and let the passionate intensity kind of come out. So that's what you're gonna get from Kyle Dugger. He knows what's kind of ahead of him in terms of being that small school guy. And I like what you had to say, Jeff saying I would rather take a small school guy that can ball over a big

school guy that might have some question marks. Well, and I haven't gotten Leonora Ryan tape yet, have fun finding it's hard to find. When we get some Lenora Ryan tape, I can get better feelings on that individual player. And I get what you're saying. We're Will McClay. I mean, he's on the record where they would prefer it to be a big school guy. But I think that there's there's a lot when you're talking about what do I want in a prospect. I want him to have gone

to a big school, had incredible production and test great. Okay, sweet, that guy gets picked in the top five. Sure, So now which part can we start to take away and figure out? Okay, where does he go? Like, I don't I don't think they're afraid of the small school guy. If it's the right guy, they would prefer everybody would prefer, because it's a lot easier to watch a guy play against LSU then Bama, then Auburn and evaluate him that way.

But I believe in this this scouting staff and Will McClay that if if they think that that dude's a player, that they'll take him wherever he's from. I think I would just need to see it to believe it, because I mean I went back. I mean, you know, Will's basically he's been on top of the draft board since twenty fourteen and they've taken players from small school wasn't that time obviously, Like you're not always going to get

to draft guys from blue blood programs. But their idea of a small school guy is Central Michigan Boyse, Central Florida, Central Florida, or you know, I'm I'm sure forgetting some other guys that went to some smaller Division one. It's no, that's the thing. They haven't drafted fcs since twenty twelve. BBW web and actually JJ Wilcox was in that draw draft before Georgia Southern jumped up. Kyle Dugger is not shaped like b W Web, you know, BW Web is a tiny guy you're kind of taking a chance on.

They haven't drafted in Division two players since two thousand and nine, which I believe was a quasi usa asa. I hope I didn't, But you got there eventually. Yeah, like dugger. Here are your three games if you at home want to follow along, And here's his tape that's on YouTube. Okay, oh I got okay, it's a twenty nineteen it gets to school them, twenty nineteen it gets to mars Hill, and twenty eighteen it gets North Greensville,

So good luck with that. But but here's the thing, here's why I would keep my coming into the year. Stain Hill, that's a local high school. I still like this player to creative school. Tight End Jared Pintney of Vanderbilt. I still like him coming into the year. I know draftnicks around the world were going, oh, he's tighten one going in this year. And then Vanderbilt's offense was such garbage.

He had like twenty catches, but all week at the Senior Bowl, Peintney could not get free because Ugger was eating him alive. Well, and I was going to ask that same question. This kind of goes the opposite way of what Dave was saying a moment ago. It's easy to say, hey, your stock was rising from the Senior Bowl because there's a lot of guys that stand out. Pinney was one of the guys that I said his stock kind of went down a little bit. Maybe not

because individually he was dominated by by Kyle Dugger. I just wasn't necessarily impressed. He had a couple of drops in practice that I didn't like. It seemed like one on one drills. He wasn't necessarily up to par as well. But who were some other guys that you saw that maybe saw their stock drop a little bit over the week in Mobile? It's interesting. I was not impressed at all the quarterbacks at all. And I know a lot of people were like, oh, Herbert solidified a top fifteen pick.

I mean, I didn't see that. But again I was not there on the ground for every throwing drill. And he's going in the top fifty I know, and that's it's great news. I hope he does and send him on up the board Jordan Love. But I was watching the quartersons go. Man, there's a lot of bad throws here, but um, you know, there's some of those guys who are trying to cling on to the Anthony Gordon's and the Monteses of the world too. And I just sat there and went, this seems like a weaker quarterback class

than we've had in past years. Um, but again, just watching watching on the NFL network is way different than being No, I'm on the ground and mobile like you guys were. I would agree with that for the most part. I thought Herbert and Love were good. But and but the rest, I mean, I just don't think the rest of those guys. Maybe Anthony Gordon does, but like Shaye Patterson Jalen Hurts, Patterson's not NFL No, I know it's Shaye Patterson, Jalen Hurts, Like, those guys do not have

lengthy NFL careers in front of them. I do not think the Colorado quarterback probably saying, um, you were pretty high on Anthony Gordon. Though I like Anthony Gordon, and I mean I feel like I've watched way more Washington State football than is reasonable because they're always on at like eleven when you get home on Saturday. Yeah, but you're also impaired at that point for sure. Games always get weird exactly. That's and I'm like, fine, touchdown game

earlier this year, Yeah, it does get weird. But one thing with Anthony Gordon that I saw during practice, he looked better than he did in the game, at least to me, just because he didn't have a ton of happy feet, but because when he's back in the pocket, he's so active with his feet, and it's kind of odd. It's if go back and look at it, you look down at his feet, it's almost like he's pitter pattering

the entire time he's in the pocket. Whereas that's not necessarily a bad thing, but in the game it's even more magnified. As to whenever he was in practice. When he was in practice and able to kind of sit back there not worrying about getting hit, his feet were still he looked confident. But when he's in the game, he's running around, he's got all the pitter patter of

the feet all the way through. He did throw a couple of touchdown passes, and he looked good in the game in terms of the production that he put out there. But I just wasn't necessarily impressed with the footwork overall from Gordon. I'll tell you so. I know you said stock drop stock up for me. You know I said it last week. I was disappointed. You know, Christian Fulton probably would have been the best cornerback at that game.

Probably he pulled out for injury reasons. I did not have a whole lot of thoughts about any of the other guys that were there. I came away really impressed with several of them. Troy Pride Junior had a fantastic week, got an interception in the game. Wilder Kendall was a guy that was the buzz of practices, got an interception in the game. Georgia Southern, Darnay Holmes from UCLA, and then probably my favorite of all of them was Dane Jackson,

the Pittsburgh cornerback. I mean, still probably a Day three guy, but a super confident, super smooth looking cornerback who had no problem handling any of these guys, and that that was what was so impressive. We spent the top of the talking about how great these receivers were. He showed

out against a lot of them. I got Day three grades on every guy that you mentioned, but I think they all deserve a lot of credit for going out and competing and the guys that stood out absolutely get brownie points for me, because you know, when all these cornerbacks started dropping out, I mean, Gladnee from TCU was going to be there, and I'm glad he's my second cornerback on the board right now. I didn't think he needed to be there. You know, you know another guy

who I didn't think needed to be there. I thought it was interesting that he pulled out. Is Javon Kinlaw. Yeah to go, but it's like, you know what didn't need to be there in the first place. But then we'd heard about two or three weeks ago some knee and whisper. I'm going it was that a good thing or a bad thing. They pulled him out on purpose, I think, but it is the knee a problem, and now I'm still conflicted with what to think about him. I know what I feel about the player, I do

not know what I feel about the knee. Put a dog ear on that page and your finder come back back to it in February, and I'm glad you brought up Troy Junior because we got a chance to hear from him as well. Out of Notre Dame, has four career interceptions. We're gonna talk about him a little bit later because he's one of the guys in the scenarios for the Cowboys. Maybe he isn't Kyle, Okay, maybe he is. Maybe, and maybe he isn't. I hope he is, because we're

gonna hear from him here. This is a kind of player that uh that Troy Pritt Junior thinks he could be coming out of the draft. The best part of my game with my competitive nature, I mean, I feel like I can cover just about anybody and one with just about anybody, I'd like to call myself a blanket corner. And with that just just being my coverability, and then how how competitive I him. I mean, I'm a guy that you know that I'm I'm gonna always work to

be the best. I'm always gonna work to to win my reps, to win my one on ones, and to be you know, uh staple for a defense and you know, just support East and every one of my other ten members on the field. He had a connection as well with with Jalen Smith during his time at Notre Dame. Said that he went that Smith was at Notre Dame a little bit prior to Troy Pritt junior, but he went on the top about how they've stayed in contact

and kind of had that connection back and forth. So he's already got a little bit of a Cowboys connection. Would he fit here. We'll talk about that a little bit later, but definitely something to look out for. So we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna attack Twitter on the twenty. Be sure to send in your questions hashtag Cowboys Draft or hashtag Twitter on the twenty. Will address those when we come back on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. I'm Jay Novachik,

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hashtag Twitter on the twenty. We've got a fun new little tagboard thing that we're gonna put these tweets up on. It looks real fancy and whatnot, so we're gonna start things out. Production is unmatched, unbelievable. Dustin Worthen is our first up here on the Draft show, and he wants to ask we continue to talk about these teams trading up for a quarterback at number one, but do you think there would be a team to trade up to get Chase Young at number one seems like a game changer.

I think we all agree with that one. But is there a chance that maybe the Bengals, of course, a team that I feel like you wouldn't have to go to number one in order to get Chase you trade up to two because the Bengals are pretty probably I mean we could go ahead and say it. I think they're probably locked in on that pick. But then again, I mean, you never know. You never know the size of a deal that somebody's willing to put together. I mean, if somebody offers them what the Rams gave to get

Jared Goff, would they turn it down? They probably should, but would they? And it's the it's the Redskins picking it two. So that brings a whole another level of unpredictability because you have a new head coach. Ron Rivero's defensive mind did have a hard time if he has any say of him going, oh no, no, we're taking Chase Young. We're not doing any trading. But you never know who's running things in Washington, so like you never know what's happening there. So it could be if Washington

thinks they're not close. They could make a trade. Maybe maybe Chase Young is for sell Let's let's entertain that option. Let's say Washington is willing to make a trade. What kind of team would have won the package to put together for a trade for Chase Young and two would be willing enough to do so? Miami, But that makes no sense because they need to rebuild an entire roster. S three first round pick. Yeah, so you've got ammunition. But they I think they would be crazy because they

just they need so much. They need basically an entire roster on purpose, So to mortgage a lot to go get a single player. Just I feel bad for them because they tried to go. Oh in sixteen, the front office did Yeah, Now, the players and Brian Flores did not. Yeah, like and when they made the trade for when they traded making Fitzpatrick and the Steelers didn't have Ben Roethlisberger. Where do you think they thought that pick was gonna be? Yeah?

I think they thought they were gonna have the first pick and another top ten pick, and it turns into five and eighteen Hodges and Mason Rudolphs a couple of wins, you know, and the Dolphins, you know, at five. Yeah, I think that's interesting. I think the Jaguars, I don't know what they're planning on, but they have the ninth and the twentieth pick, and then put those together sweeten it up a little bit. They could get up to two and get a game changer right there. But I

don't see the Redskins trading out of number two. And you positive. I am positive that it's happened. But I can't think, like, when was the last time somebody did that bold of a trade for a non quarterback? Yeah, and I mean, like, okay, I mean that's a great answer. It was. It was a huge It was somewhat bold when the Buffalo Cleveland trade for Sammy Watkins, but that was going up from like pick nine to pick four. Yeah, that was a five pick jump. Yeah, the Julio one's good.

But even what the Falcons jumped from like the teens to five, I think it was something like that. Yeah, I don't remember exactly where they were the Cowboys for I was about to say Claiborne might be in the Good One conversation. I think I mean, to jump up to two, you would probably have to do something a little crazier than what the Cowboys gave up for Mo though. I mean, at the end of the day, that was just one pick. The Cowboys to get to two would have to give up on the Cowboy two more one,

maybe three more ones because you don't know where they'll be. Yeah, and I know that his question, um was about, you know, Chase Young. But if someone's trading up to number two, they're trading up for number two to get either two or Joe Burrow. They're not trading up to get Chase Young. You think it's out of the question. I mean, we just they the Falcons gave up a boatload for Julio Jones, he plays receiver. I mean, I don't think it's out of the question. But but it's but we don't. You

don't see it often. Yeah, really exactly. Yeah, and that's why I think that's why if that picks for self for Washington's for a quarterback and not Chase Young, that would I think Washington would just take the player. It would be pretty Bengals E I feel like to take Chase Young. Wait, I mean, like, well, I feel like the three would probably be more inclined to make a trade like that to have somebody go up for a quarterback.

I think Detroit would probably be the better team in order to do the true bisky deal that the Bears did. Get up and make sure that you get the guy. Atlanta traded five picks to the Browns to make that trade. Guys, the Redskins are not the most savvy front office. I don't know. I think they'll probably just sit there and take the player. I don't know how much trade dangling and that is savvy. That's savvy. Just take your play. Yeah,

we got freaking three months of airtime to fill. Okay, let's talk absolutely No, I'm with how bad would the quarterback class have to be for you to take a defensive end even though you need a quarterback? Yeah, that doesn't That doesn't jive well at all. It have to be pretty, really really bad quarterback class. Uh. Next question comes from just for this on Twitter, and it says, because we have not discussed this so far, so are bad? Could the Cowboys go tight end at pick number seventeen?

And even if that were an option, is there somebody there well the pick? That's I just I just don't think the tight end class is that good. I don't either. I don't think it's good at up top. I think that's it's harsh to say it's not good because because Harrison Bryant, he really stood out in mobile, Cole Comet, the Notre Dame, Guy Um Troutman. However you feel about FCS, he's a good player. I think Pinkney he wasn't as impressive in mobile as out of Preferred or yeah he did.

I didn't think he looked amazing and mobile. But he's still you know, you could draft him, you know, probably, I don't know where would you draft him slate second I think he's now I'm thinking, I mean, look, there's a lot of teams like people are absolutely enamored with my guy Thaddius Moss out of LSU. Maybe a little more than the warranted can run, Yeah, I mean, I don't know. He's a big body. He can probably block a little bit. He can catch. I just don't know

if he can run. He's a willing blocker. He's got great hands. I don't think he's like elite fast, but how fast you need to be to be a tight end. I'm having a feeling therefore, I'm looking for Vernon Davis for okay cool second day, I think there's going to be a tight end taken for the first time. It's gonna it's gonna start a string of tight ends like and I think in the middle of the third round, in fourth round, you're gonna see the majority of the

top end tight ends go pretty quickly. I think I would be surprised if a tight end gets drafted in the first round. I would absolutely And that's with all due respect to Jason Witten. It just reminds me of how loaded the tight end class was last year, and you could have gotten yourself a really badass one with you know, your with your second round pick if you'd

or even your third round pick. Honestly, well, and also we talked about this a little bit last week, but those teams that are in dire need of a tight end, there's some tight ends in free agency that are available that could potentially be bigger than more more valuable than using first round pick for Jason Witten. There you go. Eric Ebron was more of the name that I was thinking of. I'm only for a ten end or a

tight end. Coach a tight end. Okay, they got a coach, a tight coach, do yeah, next question, mister Vallejos on Twitter says, are there any quarterbacks in free agency that a top teen team would pursue instead of drafting one of those quarterbacks? And how could that affect us? At seventeen? There's a million free agent quarterbacks. It's just a matter of whether you think any of them are gonna like

move to new teams. I mean, technically, Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Philip Rivers and Jamis Winston are all free agents, Like, are any two of those four possibly moving? Are any? I mean it sounds like Philip Rivers is moving. Yeah, Philip Rivers is moving for sure, But Philip Rivers is also washed? He is, yeah, I mean he's he's forty If you're signing him to a stop gap and interest gonna win games with both of them though, It'll be a good team, But wouldn't you would you rather have?

I mean, you're not signing those guys aren't signing with a bad team at this stage in their career, Like those guys are ring chasing at this Also, guys like Jamis Mariota. What's Carolina going to do? I think the biggest question mark in terms of like affecting the draft order and stuff like that is probably Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah, he's He's been a backup for the last four years. He played very well for the Saints when they lost Drew Brees. I assume he's going to go after a

starting gig in free agency. I would be surprised if he wants to sit for another year. This is his prime money making time. I wonder, is that's what I'm saying, because I would I would rather have Justin Herbert to a burrow. Heck, even I was all, yes, how are any of them? How many of these how many of those these rookie quarterbacks? Are you ready to plug in

on day one? Um? I don't really know yet. I guess the point is that if I were to bring Teddy Bridgewater in, I think that I just intentionally got an average at best quarterback. And to me, that's a weird plan. Bengal's not close. Redskins not close. The lines will get Stafford back, but they could still potentially draft a quarterback. Giants, we feel like they're probably not close, right we all did there? Dolphins not close Chargers without

Philip Rivers. Now they could do something interesting they like, maybe they try to pick up a cam Newton or see if they can revitalize Jamis and whatever be the Chargers. The Chargers pick in the top ten, one of these guys is going to be a stop gap, like Mariota or Winston is gonna or I doubt it would be Teddy Bridgewater because I think he's got enough clout that

he could ask for a bigger deal. But one of these guys is going to sign a one to three year deal for a team that winds up drafting a quarterback. That just seems logical to me. Send the old Jacoby Brissette deal and yeah, moving on Mario to be in that guy. The cults are another one for that man that there. They came right out and said they're not

sold on Jacoby Brissettes should be. Yeah. But to answer my own question, like I think like Burrow and Herbert are the only dudes in this class that I would feel comfortable right now saying like if he's your starter week one, that about healthy. Two is not healthy, and I don't expect well he should be to start the season, right. Question, I need to follow that and see it with my own eyes before I'm ready to just say it's gonna happen. Can he play with the walker? Seriously? I think so

that's I mean, that's that's your hip man. You need that to do everything in football, but also to play quarterback and of hip injuries. My pet cat a Meek Robertson UM Louisiana Tech, the small cornerback. That is your pet cat, my guy. I believe he had fourteen interceptions in the last three years. My tiny cornerback who plays on the outside like a tough just a tough dude. Well, it was a lot of Tech bulldogs, so he's a bulldog. A little bit of a hip injury, and yeah, that's

thanks for the episode in the Rumblins. It's not you heard gonna be a problems. I think it's out there. Okay, I think it's bad. Let's go to Justin Reid and Justin ask the safe from Houston. Simmons no great player, talking about Isaiah Simmons, someone the Cowboys could look to play safety. And if he Paul's falls passin, could we move up again? I would That is a guy who if for some reason he started falling. I mean kind of not saying they're similar players, but like like remember

Derwin James two years ago. You didn't expect him to be there past like pick eight. All of a sudden he's there a pick sixteen and seventeen. Hell yeah, i'd be interested, be great. So you talk about maybe he falls to ten the Browns. Then you've got eleven Jets, twelve Raiders, thirteen Colts. Could you make a deal with those teams. I'm not giving up my second round pick to move up to get anyone, not even even Simmons a badass that night. Maybe Chase Young, you Chase Young.

That's what I'm saying. You're drafting scared my new thing. I'm sitting at seventeen and I'm gonna if I'm if I need a safety, I'll just take Delpit. I'll be happy. Oh you're get scared, kat. So we're gonna give up picks when we don't have a lot of cap room here, We're gonna give up some picks. We're gonna blow out the minimum wage players. I know I can get somebody in the second. You'll get that done, going from seventeen to let's say eleven, to the gentle because I just

don't need probably not on the trade chart. But man, if you if I told you which obviously the hope. The hope is that pick fifty one can help you and be good right away. But let's be honest, if the if the Cowboys have a bugaboo in recent years, it's probably the second round. Tristan Hill is coming off a very disappointing season. Jalen Smith needed a year to get himself right. Connor Williams was fine as a rookie. He certainly didn't blow anybody away. Cheeto was okay as

a rookie. He was a you know, part time starter and a contributor. If you told me I could secure the second best defender in the draft by giving up my second round pick. Question interesting, So you're on a scale of one to ten without trading. I'm just saying you just get to pick this player. How great would you feel if you picked Isaiah Simmons? Oh, I'd be great? Yeah, awesome, Yeah, pump. If you pick Grant Delpot one through ten, how are you feeling nine? Um, yeah, I'd be I'd be excited

about that. I'm obviously based, but maybe a seven because if you're still at a nine, maybe you don't want to trade up. You do have questions. Delpot i don't have questions about Simmons. I have I don't have questions about Simmons except for how he would be used here. Okay, that's a good Tenny play center field. He's your third No, he's your third linebacker. He's your strong safety, is your third linebacker. He's never coming off the field. He's never

coming off the field for sure. But that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna trade up play linebacker. He's playing safety. But you want to trade a one for Jamal Adams. No, he's not a strong safety. That's the and that's that's what's so intriguing about Simmons. For that matter. You can throw Xavier McKinney and Grant Delpot in there too. Is like, I am enamored with these guys that can play all over the back seven just five spot for him. They

can play two or three linebacker positions. They can play safe. The delpic and McKinney can probably do a little bit more because they can move into the slot. I don't know if if I'm I don't know if Simmons can do that. If I'm drafting scared, that's fine. I have no problem being called a scaredy cat, I'm okay with that. No, that's what I'm just saying. If I'm drafting scared, I've also got one eye over here on the money's and the roster. That a all of it, and I just

don't I don't think it makes sense. I mean, I think you have a potential right here, picking in the middle of the first three rounds to grab guys who can help you. It's all gonna be good. I can trade to Mary, I can get you more picks now sitting out we're doing that. That changes things. If we're maneuver so reckless trading other guys who are already on the roster, then that opens up a whole new can of worms. I'm traid the running back in the linebacker,

let's go. But I'm stay at the question that was asked by the guy on Twitter. The question that was asked was would you trade up to get him? I think and nothing else there that's gonna be that's cost me. It's like the dominant storyline of this draft for me is like you're sitting in a spot where you know not to bring up receiver again, but like you might be able to get the best receiver in the class at seventeen, or you settle for a good player but

a lesser value at another position like Grant Delpit. Maybe isn't the best value at seventeen, but he fits what you want as opposed to or the same thing with like an offensive tackle. You could get like a blue chip offensive tackle. Maybe I might like to have my Zach Martin or Ryan Shazier. Just don't take the Johnny Manzell situation like I feel like I'm I will have a good player get to me at seventeen, and I want to keep that second round bick gosh, isn't this fun?

We can talk about being in the middle of the seventh or the middle of the first round and have these options. It's not fun. Katie's not trying to the this is good. You don't want to be in the middle. Katie's a coward. Number seventeen pick over the past twenty years has been traded away. I'll go get Simmons if it costs me my third. That's not gonna happen given away. I'm just drafting scared, all right, One more question before we take our next break, and Matt with for the

second week in a row. Our butt Boy. Matt has a great question, resigning Robert Quinn change your opinion on drafting kin Law or Chasing in that first round. Chasing maybe because he's an edge player. Yeah, not ken Law, because I mean, it wouldn't change me on kin Law. Why would it change. The reason it would change me on kin Law is because obviously you're right, Robert Quinn plays defensive end. Chase on here would play defensive end,

and kin Law would play the three technique. But the biggest thing for me with Robert Quinn potentially being gone isn't just I'm missing a defensive end. It's who in the world is my second pass rusher? Sure? Yeah, kin Law is that. I think kin Law would be your second pass rusher. He wouldn't line up outside. But I need somebody but after the quarterback other than Tank. But if you have Quinn, you still need a three tech Like you still need a pass rusher. Yeah, And I think,

I mean, yeah, Mike, don't have Quinn. It does crank up how much I want anyone who can rush the passer but to create. But you know, to the questions point, like if if you had Robert Quinn and we don't know who they might sign at D tackle. You know, last year they got Christian Cover or Chris Christian Covington. It's always confused. Cople Okay, you're right that would affect how much, But you still would want a badass three tech even if you had two good edge rushers right away.

And honestly, drafting kin Law is even more exciting if you have Robert Quinn on the roster because it's a pick your poison of three really good pass rushers. My problem with the question there is we're talking about two different areas of the draft for kin Law and Chase On. For me, I know the world loves Chase On. Chason is a top twenty player. I've got him as an early second. I've got Kim Law as a top twelve or top ten player. I don't have Chase On as

a top twenty point. It's it's hard to get a read that everybody's I mean, I said this at the Senior Bowl last week, Like, there are people that think Ken Law is a top ten pick. There are people that have going at the end of the first round. Ye, and I feel like Chason's stock is rising, But I don't think everybody's sold on sold on him all the way to the point where he's like a consensus top twenty guy for sure. Um, would you like that pick? He's fun though I like I like the player, I

just don't. I think we're talking about two different if they drafted, if they take Chase On at seventeen Chasing, I would, I would like it, Yeah, I would. I would have my fingers crossed that it works out because I do like the player. I just I would have been the same way. I think I wouldn't be one the ten scale that you threw out earlier for Delpit, I would throw a six in there. Ken would be ten. For me, would be a six or seven. I wouldn't

be all the way sold that it was a great move. Yeah, but which and I hate when people fall into this trap. But I can't help but think about Daniel Hunter, who was a similar player, similar type of player in college who I was not high on. And he's obviously a freaking drafted high long enough. But his tap wasn't great. No, Hunter's tape wasn't great at hell. Which but mane like tools.

Go watch, go watch the last five games of LSU season, Calevan was a monster against the run and the pass, so I wouldn't hate that stronger than he gets credit for. I know people knock him because he's two forty or whatever. He looks like, he looks like a tweener, but he handles the run, Okay, he does. I just there's just

a little bit more you want to see. And that's where you tell it with kinlay, I go, okay, I get what I you know where you get one here seventeen feels a little rich, which that feels like the beginning of his range to me, like sixteen to twenty five. I had that Chase on range. I hope the Cowboys can find a way to bring Quinn back because it just solves a lot of problems about what you do about edge because I'm not I was going to bring

that up in the Senior Bowl Daurn's time. They first of all, well and exactly and and I don't like, I'm not unless you are, unless you're the Washington Redskins and you can draft Chase you. I'm not feeling awesome about the edge rushers and said, not really. I watched I watched jo I watched your grossmatos the other day. I came away. I came away not impressed. Not not at seventeen. Tell you that at seventeen. No, that's how

I feel about every non chase young guys. I would go, oh, okay, I'll work like we're gonna have two monsters that play the run great and get me eight to ten sacks. Okay, yeah, I'll take it. But you're talking about a guy. It's like, you know, Jerry Jones always calls it like Gumby, Like that's not gumby stuff. We may not be looking for Gumby. I am. Everybody's looking for Gumby, thank you having Well, everybody's looking for Gumby. All schemes want bendable pass rushers. Yeah,

but that's no reason too. If you have one who's not like that, that's really good. Like, nah, I don't. I just I mean, it's early I have at Randy Gregory back, I would love that's just do that. Hey, maybe they're gonna talk about substance rules at the owners meetings. Maybe it's a new age. Maybe you stop punishing players for mental health problems. Final segment coming. Yeah, we've got We've got to get to the last segment because this is gonna be fun. Plenty of options at seventeen. We've

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I just which you know. Shouts out to Bobby Belt, the stat god. He's always keeping us on our toes. But what two? It was two years ago the Saints made a pretty significant trade up into the top ten to get Marcus Davenport out of Texas San Antonio. That's not they jumped halfway up the draft board. I thought you were looking for jumps into the top maybe Okay, middle of the round with a pick that they knew was going to be at like twenty eight to thirty.

The next year they get them, they drafted fifteen or fourteen. There seen something like that. It was twenty seven to fourteen. Yeah, that's a pretty substantial jump, Bobby. They gave up a first game, they gave up a first in the next draft. I'm just like number thirty to get Chase Young. I still think you'd have to do more. Yeah, for sure, But crazier things have happened. Maybe. I mean the Saints once gave up a whole draft. It's a big maybe.

It depends on what the package is to get Chase Young. Yeah, if crazy things have actually happened. Back when running backs matter right. Actually I leaned toward thinking it wouldn't happen, all right, So we talked about plenty of scenarios in that last segment talking about what the Cowboys could do at pick seventeen. Now, Jeff, you've talked about three different scenarios with the first three rounds, So we're going all buy threes here, first, second, third round. You got three scenarios,

and we're gonna choose either or between these guys. What's your first scenario? Yeah? See, anybody could just say, hey, who do you want in the first round, But to me, that's cheating. We gotta follow this thing all the way down the trail through three rounds. So I'm gonna give you three different options here behind door. Number one is the Cowboys at number seventeen, select Grant Delpit, LSU safety. Love it. They take him at seventeen. Awesome. At fifty one,

you're gonna make a pick. That's just for me. Jordan Elliott, defensive tackle miszoo Okay, okay. In the third round, Senior Bowl standout Denzel Mims. We're taking a wide receiver in the third round. That's your first set. Okay, you can go delp It Elliott Mims safe at d tackle receiver, our second pick. Our second set of picks here. First round, Cowboys take Javon Kin Long All right, that's the one. I compensated for that with my next two picks. Their

second pick is Ashton Davis, the cal safety. I love Ashton Davis. I'm a fan of them too personally. Their third round pick is Troy Pride Junior out of Notre Dame, the cornerback. Although if I could just change my own rules of the game, I'd rather put Auburn's Noah Igbogo, you got it, I'd rather put him in there. You made this up, you can do it. Anybody seen him except me. I'm gonna I'm gonna go on. I'm not

gonna think he's gonna be there. Okay, third rounds okay, so Ken Law, Davis, Pride, and your third grouping would be. In the first round, the Cowboys take Christian Fulton out LSU corner. Oh stop seventeen. Fulton's better than Gladney. You're you're gonna eat that one, all right. We'll just discuss that at a future have a cornerback coming up in three weeks on The Draft Show. Second round you take Bradley and I Utah defensive end. He's good at the

Senior Bowl. And in the third round, you'd take another Utah player, Leakey fot I like my I like my Utah guys nose tackle. You get a nose tackle and edge rusher and a corner, all defense. Two of the three were all defense, okay, which like spoiler alert, you know, we knew that we were doing this ahead of time. So I sat down. The two guys I hadn't seen were Elliott and a n I uh loved Jordan Elliott. I told you that last night. He's fun to watch

that man. Bradley and I. I was not impressed. I was kind of using what seems like he's getting a Senior Bowl bump. He definitely a third round guy. He dominated the Senior Bowl. He had a hurry that led to Jalen Hurt throwing a pick. He had two or three two or three sacks in the game. About the fact that he had twenty nine and a half career sacks though he okay everything and he was a dominant

player and he only started three years. Here's the other thing about Bradley and I, and I was guilty because at first I felt like Dave and I was going this guy just to have any juice, and then you watch a game, go through it play by play, and you go by the end of it, he's winning every time. He is kind of the definition of a lunch pell guy because he is like he is kind of like I need to like win early with snap anticipation because I don't have the bend the gumby, I don't have

the burst. I'm looking for good with his hands and things like that. He does a good job of winning. In the end, the traits are not there, and that's what makes him scary, and taking him in the second round at pick fifty one, I'm uncomfortable doing. But I do like the player and I would take him in a round. Here. He looks really good when he can get inside on the tackle and has a straighter path

to the quarterback, which like so does everybody. You can say that about any He looks really not impressive when he has to get around or through the tackle. I watched him play USC which they have a left tackle by the name of Austin Jackson. A lot of people think he's gonna go first round. I wouldn't. I saw getting his butt kicked for most of that. Yeah, he's got a long way to go to be a first round player in maas Tom point being a draftable, a

highly draftable left tackle, good competition. I thought handled him pretty pretty well. And I mean he looked good at the Senior Bowl. You got to take that into account. Played well in the game. Games matter. I just but fifty one, It's like, at some point, what is your trait that makes you kind of takes you over the top to be a second round player. If it's not the burst and the speed around the edge, that's not

the link. I'm still looking for that at pick fifty one too, and the second round edge Greenherd maybe from Florida, Jonathan Greenard, if you want to go there. Notre Dame Oquara is so tough because the way they used him is weird. It's dude, there's a there's a drop off and then it kind of picks up again. What about Curtis Weaver Boise State. Where do you have him? I'm not a fan, not a fan of man, same type of thing, just not athletic enough. And I'm trusting another

guy who just kind of wins kind of the same way. See, I just watched run circles around people that were on bad football teams. He were bad players, and he would just run around him. And I'm just like, I don't know how to translate that shows up in the combine and runs a six eight three cone. Then I'm like, oh wow, I'm way too low because now suddenly his athleticism works. So any is in that group with Christian Fulton and Leaky Foe. Two Photo, I like everyone liked

Photo though, is the third round like one Technique? I mean, he's a massive solid Think about what you had this year with Antoine Woods and when Antoine Woods is missing, and how things hurt so much when Antone Woods was out as a six foot guy, you know, Photos a six foot five, three hundred and thirty pound dude. I mean there's a big difference. He can take on double teams, I know. But he moves well, he moves, he moves well. Let's let's translate that over to the guy I really like,

which is Jordan Elliott. Yeah, Okay, he's a big cat who can do a little bit of everything. Yeah. Yeah, he gives you more than Photo does for sure. Six four three fifteen, Yeah, plays one plays three Maszoo had him playing some three four end like he can go all over the line. I was really impressed with his hands, like he's just karate chopping people out of his way. He pressured the quarterback on like fifteen percent of his snaps this season, which I mean three four hundred snaps.

It's a freaking it's a lot of pressures. Yeah, can I ask five and a half a career sacks? Though? Can I can? I don't need I don't need him. I don't need him. That's difference, Like there's like, well, you know what you're getting in a nine, and we're not comparing A Nie and Jordan Elliot. You know what you're getting when we watch a Nie, when you watch Jordan Elliott. Yeah, you don't always know what you're getting on snapped a stap basis true. When you're watching sometimes

you go, okay, why did he just get pushed back? Yeard, It's like he just stood straight up and then he fires off and he knifes through and then you're like, okay, wow, okay, he's firing off. He's playing well, it's all about staying low and technically that can be refined. He could be a player who's ascending. So that's what it's all about, because I don't I see the same guy where It's like, I don't see a guy that's great with his hands

all the time. I don't see a guy who plays with the right pad level and they still kind of can't stop him. And he gives you some range too for defensive tackle, like Foto is not going to make a lot of plays outside of his area. Watched Elliot. I watched Elliott chase down a receiver screen yesterday, like ten yards down the field, like the receiver had room to run and was able to accelerate, and Elliot's still cast no group one. Who's that reminding of d Law? Yeah?

I can see that. Can I throw in a guy though, just like as an exemption, like say, hey, say something happened to Jordan Elliot? Oka say like he he got the Javon Kinlaw, Naton Tonight, TCU defensive tackle, Ross and Blacklock all seen him yet in the second round. Yeah, I like him too. I haven't got him kind of in that same area too, as another big man. I think we should keep our eyes on. He's kind of in the draft shows mentions for a little while Cowboys.

Twitter likes him. He's powerful, hands three, one three, but they let him play the one a lot at TCU, so he's like, he's kind of a combination at the defensive tackle that can do some of everything. And Achilles in twenty eighteen, I am a I am in the in the boat would have always being very skeptical of anyone who's head an Achilles injury red flash just in general. When I see a person on the street who's got a bad achilles, he can't be on my pickup basketball team.

He can't jump. You go tell Richard Sherman that down in Miami. Okay, I'm not telling him anything. Shots uh okay. But so you guys are all picking one? Is that what you guys? Give me a group one with bells on and like, I don't you know some people are going to be lower on Delpit I think, you know, I don't he might go in the twenties like seventeen could be too rich in somebody's eyes. Don't have a good read on Elliott and again, have fun sorting out

these receivers. But man, that's a fun group. And all three picks address a pretty big area of need in my opinion. I have kin Law graded higher than Delpitt, and I have Ashton Davis graded higher than Jordan Elliott. I will take Group two. Wow, Javon kin Law, even though Davis as safety, you think third round is too rich for Pride though, yeah, you're just settling for that kind.

The first two picks are so good you can't deny this. Yeah, I'd like dedn't sell mems, but I don't think that's something they would seriously do if Cobb is back, I guess is the way I'm thinking. Even though I like Christian Fulton, I Group three is like a distant third for me. Well, and like like Dave said earlier, we saw these going into the show. We had already got a chance to kind of look at a couple of

these guys. But I initially, whenever Jeff you sent the text message, I said, oh, group two, I'm sold on Group two. But then I, as you were reading these out this out, I went back to your one to ten scale and I just wrote down what I would how excited I would be for those specific players whenever they would come across the draft board. I chose group one just based off of my excitement. I really did even one Originally. Group one's a lot of fun and

that's why it won't happen. But I'm like, yeah, the receivers are fun and exciting, so we're gonna pick up because there's a receiver in there. I might need to ban receivers from it, even these scenarios. Yeah, now you're I mean you take Dedn't tell Mims over Troy Pride. Is that's happening here? Ken l Yes, Ken Law and Ashton Davis start for this team right away, and that's that's exciting to think about. I mean, Elliott and Delpit

probably do. But I just I think the order of safety and d tackles, but those the guys in group two might be more ready made. Maybe Ken Lovesny well, okay, why you gotta? And I think issues too. Davis missed the issue. They've both had some. Now, yeah that's fair, and and Davis could stand to put on about ten pounds of bull. It can be hard to do that with a issue. I'm a broken record, But get just the positioning in the draft order. No, they're not in the top ten, but this is as high as they've

been picking in a while. This just for me underlines that there's gonna be good, good players available at all their pas. Oh, that's so exciting. I have some starters And that's why we're not trading up either. We're just going to sit and take Simmons. Is there, Katie at don't be months. Let's do it. Let's let's get it done. All right, that's gonna do it for our fourth episode of the Draft Show here in twenty twenty, we're already

a month in. Wow, it's just funny. The combine coming up in February for Jeff Kavanaugh, for Kevin Turner, for David Helman. I'm Kyle Yeoman's thanks for watching. We'll see you next week.