Draft Show: Dream Scenarios; Comparing Big Boards

you every step of the way. Brian brought us, Dane Brugler, David Hellman as the Big Boys guy, said Kit Garrison, executive producing guys. It is getting close, so I'm kind of trying to maximize our time here. I know we got some shows coming up. We got two shows next week. Next week is going to be full. Yeah, next week is going to be full. We've got to If you're in the Dallas Fort Worth area, we got a show at the at Shakerton in the Colony here not too

far away from the Star, from five to seven. That's going to be a big show for us out on the road. Miller Light, thank you very much for putting that all together. Special gifts and prizes and all that stuff Tuesday evening. Tuesday evening at Shakerton's at that's the Draft show will be on the road. But and then also tonight though, if you're kind of hanging out, we got Draft one oh one going on on one oh five three the Fan on their Facebook account. Myself, Dame Brugler,

Kat and Jeff Kavanaugh. We'll do doing that. That starts at seven o'clock. That's another opportunity. That's one of the things we like doing with one oh five three the Fan, and so we're excited about that. And hopefully you can either catch us tonight on the Draft one oh one or you can catch us live in person next Tuesday, April twenty third at Shakerton's from five to seven. So make plans for that, boys. Today I want to get

into best case scenario for fifty eight and ninety. People are asking me about two players guys you would like to have at fifty eight. What is your ideal when you walk out a day too, assuming that after what Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones said to us yesterday, there will not be any trading up into the first round of this draft. Now again, you know Jerry is one of those guys that he hates to sit there without a first round pick, and but maybe they see some

value they would go up and get a guy. But I want to go through with you, guys, your two ideal players at fifty eight and ninety after that first after excuse me, the Friday afternoon to our nighttime drafting there and David Hellman, I will start with you on this one, Okay, I want you to tell me your ideal players for those two spots. All right, Oh give me a reason why. Well, I want to walk you through my thought process. I told you upstairs I was

going to cheat a little bit. I wrote. I wrote a couple of names just kind of get get the thought. Juice is flowing yere. But I'm looking I'm looking at this board a lot. You know, you're picking fifty eight, You're like seven spots from the end of the second round. I'm not convinced that a lot of the guys I really love are going to be there, and so I'm looking for was I'm I'm looking to mitigate that. I guess. So the two names, you know, we can throw out

Jonathan Abram, we can throw out Taylor rap. I don't really believe at the end of the day, they're going to be there. So I look at that, I look at defensive tackle. We talked about this upstairs too. I'm just not convinced the values there in that range. Like, I'm not convinced there's a guy there that I'm in love with at defensive tackle. Can I ask a question real quick? Yeah, better value at defensive tackle, Dane or running back at fifty eight At that point in time,

running back, We're still going there. You're still going there. Still just want to just want to I just want to know is there is is a player going to be there? That is the classic question of are you drafting a defensive tackle just to say you did it because you need one? Or the better player? In my opinion, Yeah, I mean I think specifically a three technique running back would be I think you're getting the better player, yeah, But value wise, I don't like the value. Okay, put

it that way, Okay, David. Anyway, So with all of that in mind, I'm not in love with most of my options here. But I think there's two names that I think have a chance to be there or close in range. Juan Thornhill Dane's guy in his most recent mock, the Virginia safety and Chauncey Gardner Johnson they Florida safety. The reason I picked them out. I think it's more realistic that they fall that far or at least into a range where you could do a reasonable trade. But

I think it's possible one of them is there. They can both play safety. To your point, Brian and Steven Jones said it yesterday, you're looking for a plug and play starter at fifty eight. Can't guarantee it'll happen. They're potentially good enough to plug and play. And even if they're not, they both have nickel experience. They're both flexible. They can kind of be that utility man or in

their career they can play some nickel. They can play, you know, three third safety in a dime package, maybe like a rover back type of guy, kind of like Byron Jones when he first got here. They could be that guy until they transition into a starting role, hopefully in year two. So I feel good about both of those. If that isn't possible, I look at that as a wipeout scenario. I don't want to draft a running back.

You guys know, my guy Deebo Samuel. Okay, I would pull the trigger on Debo in a heartbeat if a safety wasn't available. Okay, it's just me. As we look at David Hellman's names of Chauncey Gardner Johnson, and then we also look at his name of Juan Thornhill on Dame Brugler's board, He's got Gardner Johnson at one hundred top one, number forty eight if I'm right about that, and then he's got Juan Thornhill at forty nine. So they're right back to back right there. Talk about that

a little bit. Yeah, And I think Gardner Johnson, I think, depending on the fit, Gardner Johnson, I love is a nickel um. Now he has experienced as a free has experience as but I thought what he did best was the nickel, and so for this team, I still think he'd be fine as kind of a box player. But I hope they'd be a little open minded with him if they used him as a nickel as you know, just get a little creative and not just stick him in,

you know, that one box of what he's doing. Thornhill, I think he's better as a free but I think he's interchangeable because I mean he led Virginia and tackles last ye also let him an interception, So I think he could do a little bit of everything, and I would agree. I think best case scenario at fifty eight, it's probably weren't one Thornhill. And ideally for me, if I'm the Cowboys, I'm going all defense on day two.

I'm looking and my second and third round picks. I'm looking to come out with a defensive lineman and a defensive back. That's ideal for me. And here in the second round, are you going? Are you just? How? Are you right? Right? Any complication? Okay, Let's say that Garter Johnson and one Thornhill are off the board. Um, let's say that, and I would be okay with Darnold Savage there. Darnold Savage is actually number fifty eight overall on my top one Okay, so he's closer to potentially being where

you're picking then, right, right, But let's say LJ. Collier's there, TCU defensive end. Okay, David, you know this team pretty well, though. Defensive end something they're thinking about or is that something where that that Dane's trying to get the best player and it's funny because defensive end might not be super high on their priority Listen of they resigned to Marcus Lawrence, but we know they love LJ. Collier absolutely is a guy that they've talked to. He didn't give you a

good name there. They just worked out Max Crosby the other day. You can and you can talk your I mean you can talk yourself into that very easily. I mean, you don't you talk yourself into that. If you're thinking about moving Crawford back inside to defensive tackle, I don't. I mean absolutely you could and you could bolster you know, you could address the fact that you don't have a tackle by or you're thinking about only having Robert Quinn

for one year here too? Well, let I mean and Tyrone Crawford, who knows what his favor But what did I say? Who did I say? You said Robert Quinn? No? No, But I meant you no. You said to everybody he's saying, okay after this year. You just don't know. That's what I'm saying. If you would think about moving it back inside, you would think about draft and call your fifty eight right, And you can't force it, you know, like if the defensive tackle's not there. You know, is fifty eight too

early for Tristan Hill. See, this is where it would have to draft him at fifty eighth. This is where and when we get into our top one. And by the way, in the in the last segment, we're gonna do twitter on the twenty be the last segment. I'm gonna go through this board Danes one hundred and my one hundred because there's some there's some discrepancies there, you know, and I appreciate and I appreciate that you No, No,

that makes it fun. No, No, it makes it fun because there's guys he has higher than me, and then it's vice versa. Really there, But okay, if you think about Hill, if you think about Hill, and I'm looking to get it, I'm looking at the where the numbers, and I'm a little bit higher on Hill than you are, I think, I think on the numbers wise, if I'm not mistaken right there, whereas I haven't been seventy, I've

had seventy four and you haven't at ninety. So you're thinking more about him as a true third round player, yes, and I'm thinking about him as a third round player, but a higher up the board third round player. Okay, is that too rich thin? At fifty eight? You just said it. I think. I mean it's you got to go there, don't you. I mean, is that I don't have to do it. You don't have to go there. And that's exactly what I was talking about. If an LJ.

Collier and a Tristan Hill are there, right, sure you could go with the more the true three technique, or you can go with a better player. Yeah, at a position that's still I don't. I don't. I mean, that's that's your rallying cry from the day I met you is don't window dress your board. Don't window dress your board. I would rather draft like a badass receiver at fifty eight than force a defensive tackle just because I feel like I need one. Yeah, shows me, Okay, let me.

It's something real quick of the receiver or the running back. Which way you go in there? Me? Yeah? Receiver, yeah, no question, running backs not even an option, not an option for you, okay, for you, for me, not for the people that are actually gonna make the phone call. Yeah, yes,

that's true. Okay, So we we we feel like though that that are we calling that rich are we calling that we calling a Hill pick at fifty eight too rich, or were calling it at a necessity a necessity because we want a defensive tackle other than maybe the defensive ent. I think that would be too rich. But like would it be so rich that you're just gonna piss and moan about it, you know, right? I mean he's got it in the third we both have in the third round.

It's just I have him a little higher to where talents could pick it. So that's a that's a fifteen spot overdraft for you and more like a thirty spot overdraft for you. We have we have to remember that, like on for our purposes, we're every player in this draft is kind of eligible for our board. Like sure, we don't discount any player, no question. Cowboys they have

how many players they go on their total board. Yeah, so you know there's even though Tristan Hill would be a little bit of a reach for us to take a fifty eight for the Cowboys, he might be one of their five best players there, that's no question. Yeah. So because because just because I have him at seventy four and you have him at ninety, doesn't mean they

don't have him at twenty one. Right. But even if I'm just remember they only have you know, we could make a board that's our top four hundred where they only have a board that's say, by the way, yeah, they only have a top one fifty board, and a lot of that one fifty is Day three players. So there's Tristan Hill could be you know, a third round pick for them, but he might be picked or you know, on their board, he might be the sixtieth bestive player. Yeah.

So that's the thing that like not our listeners, but like elementary draft fans, you know, they look at the whole pool of players, whereas these teams like seventy five percent of these guys are crossed off for one reason or no, it could be medicals that I'm here, I'm hearing stuff about Errol Willis. Oh yeah, Errol Willis. It's that you bring up the name Willis here. They kind

of look at you, like, don't talk about Gerald Willis here? Well, which is that's that's the Miami defensive tackle and and that's a guy that we kind of been talking about as a potential guy. We try to connect the dots. They bring them in on a thirty visit and so you circle the name because they're interested in it. But the reason you bring guys in on a thirty visit is you want to learn more about him and they about you. Don't always come away impressed. That probably applies

to three or four other guys. Oh yeah, and with Gerald Willis, you give him credit for kind of turning things around and having the senior year that he did, but that doesn't mean you just ignore the background, all the baggage that come with both injury wise, character wise, maturity wise, and on the field. He's not a complete player. I mean, he is a gap quickness type of guy, but it has a lot of holes versus the run. No question, you're ninety guy best case at nine. Again,

like you know, y'all know more than me. I'm not in love with my options and defensive tackle, especially if Gerald Willis is a guy that we're not considering, right, you know, I don't think Tristan Hill's there at ninety. I wrote down Renell Wren, but like just kind of because like I don't love that. So for me, the two names that I came away with, and I looked at both of y'all's big boards to kind of gauge. I came away with Isaiah Johnson because he's a corner

that fits what Chris Richard would want. Sure went down there and worked him out. And if not Isaiah Johnson, then I've talked myself into tray ViOn Williams. There you go. That's where I go. It's funny because I don't, uh, it might mock draft. Isaiah Johnson wasn't in a round for fifty eight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's hard to player like that is you know, all traits and so he could be get easily over picked. Um, I'm gonna

feel real dumb when he goes thirty fifth over. I mean, we're just trying to put the players where they have a chance. Those guys that are have the length, the size and the speed. There's several of in theistry. Isaiah Johnson, Lonnie Johnson's gonna go I have a fourth round, great on Lonnie Johnson, and there's a chance he goes in the top forty picks. Yeah, so yeah, a lot of these guys are gonna go early. For me, I would go n there. I actually have Renell Wren slightly over

trust and Hill. I've got him really really close but I've Renell Wren slightly over him. I think that would be a realistic pick at ninety. And if they go defensive back in fifty eight, then I think we're looking at Renell Wren is the best scenario at pick ninety. Doesn't that just seem too tidy to you? Like, yeah, that's what they want, sure, but when you're picking at the back end of the round, are you going to get what you want twice in a row? Probably not

be you asked ideal? Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you want it to be ideal. So I think that's ideally, that's what you like to come away with. I'd love to come away with again, a defensive back, a defensive lineman, and that defensive lineman could be an edge guy, could be a tackle. I mean, I'm getting better up front. That's what I want. And again, whoever they draft at fifty eight or ninety is not going to be the difference between this team making the Super Bowl or not.

But you still you want a good player that you're gonna add the rotation and it's going to have an impact for you in year one. And you know, I think we could do that with Ronelle Wren not going to be a guy that's going to to save the season. But if Meleek Collins doesn't come back. No, that's true. Okay, think about That's why all this three technique talk is

happening right now, right I want to draft one. I just you look at the you look at the options and what you think is realistic for that range, and I don't I don't know if it falls for me. It's really not a great three technique group after the first round. Um, I mean you could look into like the fourth round or early day three with guys like Kingsley, Kiki and uh. I mean you mentioned Willis isn't really a strong option for this team, but it's it's not.

I mean, we both like the Cincinnati kid. But you know we're talking about late, you know, day three somewhere. Um, you know, not guys that you're thinking about in the top one hundred. Okay, give me your two guys. I know we've kind of had discussion. Yeah, I think it's ideally, uh, probably one Thorn Hill and then you know, the better Tristan Hill is probably not there, so probably Renell ren Um.

That would probably be ideal for me, even though I wouldn't be upset if they again went pass Rusher, if if Max Crosby, Mart Crosby, Yeah, if you were there at ninety, I think that would make a lot of sense. That's asking a lot, though, isn't it, though? Max Crosby to me, I mean, I know, watching him play, I had him a lot higher. You've got him. I've got a sixty one and you've got him at seventy seven. Yea, So I mean there's yeah, there's a big difference there.

I think you'd be comfortable with. Yeah. I'm thinking about if you know, if you if I got I got a Callier at fifty two, and then Max and then Max Crosby at sixty one, So you know, I'm kind of thinking in that range of those two guys. I sure I would take Callier first, but I liked Max Crosby watching him play. Yeah, I thought there was a lot of positivity about him. I would love to see the reaction from non draft Nicks if their first pick

is a defensive end from Eastern Michigan. Not saying there's anything wrong with that. I know how people are, and I wouldn't It would not be well received by people who weren't at ucated yeah. No. And Max Crosby as as a player who probably needs a year in an NFL strength the conditioning program. You know that was a big reason why he left early because he was a junior. Left early. Sure, he kind of felt like he did

all he could do at Eastern Michigan. You know, like he program really wasn't advancing his career as a football player. So you know, he'd probably have a year in there and get going exactly, he probably needs a year at an NFL strength the conditioning program, the bulk up, and you know, because he kind of he's he flails, you know, he's all arms and legs when he's rushing. But there's

a lot to like there. But better pass rusher than Tacoh gosh, no pass rush potential, sure yeah no no, But did you feel like, Okay, what did you feel like with Taco? You talk about we with development stuff. What was the one thing we kept saying about Taco needs to develop pass rush moves. This guy actually has pass rush moves. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. How's his spend move? Oh, he'll step. This guy will find

ways to get free. His inside move is probably one of the better things that he did that he's slippery. It's a slippery player. You're doing a great job of not telling us your guys. No, no, no, I am, I'm going to tell you that my running up on the break. No no, I'm I could go over time here show do what I want. Okay, I'm You know, when I think I'm buying what Dane Brugler is saying about Rap, I think I think that there's a way that Rap gets to you at fifty eight. That would

be fantastic. I am. Now, there's a lot of people out there that love and talking to scouts, there's a lot of people that don't like the time, but a lot of people think he's a really safe player to take. And that's why I just can't. Okay that to me, that's my best case. Give me the tape, the best the best case scenario would be Rap at fifty eight, and I will take I will take that Trayvion Williams at ninety. Yeah, will I will hit that running back

at nine. I will absolutely do that. I know, like I feel like I'm betraying you because like we I know, but he's just he's an all around guy, like you know, Okay, he can step right in if he needed to and be if great. If I can't hit Rap at fifty eight, I'll go. I'll go with Hill, I'll take the def and to tackle it. I'll take him at fifty eight, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna bank that he'll be part of the rotation. You know, he's got power to him.

I love the way he plays behind the line of scrimmage. But why not. It's gonna be probably an early It's gonna be a little bit of a reach for me, you know, a little bit of a reach there at fifty eight. But you know what, if I can't get him, the best defensive tackle available I think at that time is him. And I know what you're saying about n Wren looks to me just a little too raw. He is just a little too raw to make it fifty eight.

But I'll tell you one thing. At ninety I am looking at that A and m running back in the eyes. Which and part of the reason that I've talked myself into this is the same thing we always say, is like it's basically a fourth round pick. Anyway, Like if he were to fall that far, I just think that's great value for a guy that gives Zeke's unavailable for however many games, I'm sure a okay with him just being my workhorse running back. Would anybody take a corner

at fifty eight? Uh? Yeah, I think it's depending on the value deband on who's there. I would run to the podium to draft Justin Lane at fifty eight. I just don't think it's feasible. No, I don't either. Justin Lane to me's a top forty player. Yeah, um, Joe one Williams. See, that's what I'm saying. And I am not gonna let him go. No, no, I'm not gonna let Joe one Williams go. And I was, and I was leading the witness there is what I was doing.

And I absolutely was. All the lawyers that watches, thank you very much for mighty. I know you're you're you're watching with us. I was leading the witness there because at fifty eight I am looking at him too. If I feel like that I cannot get my defensive tackle, my safety, I will take that big corner. Isaiah Johnson too, Isaiah Johnson. This team likes Isaiah Johnson. Yeah, okay, there you go, there you go, there you go. So if

you think that's a that is they're gonna go to trade. Yeah, no, nobody, nobody should be surprised if the cornerback is taken. No, again, I think ideal you're going defensive back, a defensive line, second, third round, any order. And again I didn't say safety as a defensive back. So cornerback is definitely in play there. What are people saying that? There are people talking about though? Are Virginia's safety though? Is possibly being a Byron Jones

type player? Can you think he could play some corner in this league? He played to his earlier in his career. He played that maybe these people would start him at corner before they would start him at safety. Yeah, possible. How he just sucks some win through his teeth on that one. I feel like we've we've talked about that. What I want to when maybe this is dumb, I apologize. Could any of those corners play safety? He might not have the right frame for it. Yeah, I mean Isaiah Johnson.

The one thing, like the biggest worry with him is he's a terrible tackler. Yeah, it's always fun. Yeah, I think he's out. Um, I mean some of these corners the size. You know, Well, we talked about Gardner Johnson though, well, I think yeah, and he's he's kind of mean. He's comfortable playing in the slot, right, he's that blended. Yeah, like he shouldn't be a safety, shouldn't be a corner. He's a dB. He falls under that classification. Um, I

don't know none of these safeties or corners. I really love making that transition, at least talking about the top one hundred guys. If if I was gonna give you're back at ninety, give me your ninety back, you're ninety. What running back would you take at ninety? Am I right about Williams? Or am I? No? I think that's I have a late third, early fourth on Williams. Okay,

so that's right where I was so comfortable taking. Okay, So I wouldn't love it, but I'd be much more comfortable with a running back at ninety than I would fifty eight. Okay, we got understand it. We got that, and if it happens at fifty eight, you're gonna lose your mind. Yes, we were gonna do worst case too, but it kind of got away from us. Yeah, Well, we we're okay real quick and Ken I'm sorry, give me, give me your worst case. What do you got a

running back? Name them? Don't care running back Harris, David Harris Henderson, Yeah, third round. I don't like the Georgia kid me Coole Hardman, Okay, don't and Dawson Knox either, don't. I don't you hate old miss, We know that. And I hate super raw prospects who aren't going to get playing time is what I hate. But we talked about Wren. I didn't. I didn't want to draft them either. Okay, yeah,

you got a couple. I mean I think maybe, like some of the players were talking about running back, you're not going to like Damian Harris. It's a round. But some of these players were talking about ninety them reaching for him at fifty eight, like a Renel Ranto for sure. Sure, you know if they feel like they won't, you won't get there at ninety. Taking one of those guys at fifty eight, Uh, that would be to me the worst case.

And then I don't know ninety uh probably, I mean it's hard to say, just reaching on maybe one of these tight ends, like you know, I like Uh, I like Cayton Smith, I like Drew Sample, But I don't know ninety, and that'd be kind of Richie. I'm kind of with Dane on this. If you took a wide receiver at fifty eight, I'd lose my mind, even if it was debug. I think they I think they've got a good group of receivers here now they do. It'd be like that you're using your first and second round Bick.

I mean, if he's as contract, if he's adverse to drafting or running back at fifty eight, I'm adverse to drafting and running back until until they got Cobb. And I know it's a year and all that, it's a year. It's a bridge. Get me. They're stacked in there like club sandwiches right now. It's a bridge. You have to draft a guy I'm not taking. I am not I took I took a wide receiver twenty seven, one of the best in the league. That's what I've done. And

I and he's right about those tight ends. Did you get the wrong tight end at ninety That could be a problem. So none of these receivers, if somehow they would fall to fifty eight, you'd become I don't have a first round receiver, I know, but like none of them early in the second round for you, you'd feel comfortable with, you know, if, like I say it, somehow I got Mad Cafe at twenty seven. He's my first player in the second round. He's at twenty seven for

me too. Why why don't you want a ready made inside outside receivers like Harmon? Okay, Harmon I have at thirty one, you get it fifty one, you know, really it would be great radio if they drafted Debo. Please the disparity of reaction. I love the player, Please don't fantastic, Please don't okay, ken, I'm sorry about that. Thank you guys so much for your opinions. When we come back,

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City FC. Yes, all right, shoot me, we just we just sat here and talked about Trevion Williams for a second. But how about this a guy, a guy that Cowboys have shown interest in that we really haven't been talking about. Uh. Secret agent wants to know more about Mike Webber, the Ohio State guy. I mean, we've visit, we've talked about him, but we probably haven't talked about him as much as

we should have for a guy that visited. And don't correct me if I'm wrong, but Damien m Harris and Weber were the only two running backs have visited, right Henderson, No, no, no, the other Memphis kid. Um yeah yeah, Troy Pauler, yeah, um with Webber. Honestly, I think he's a kind of a dime a dozen back. You've said that before. I did not. I did not see greatness with him. No. I mean, and that's you're drafting him in the fourth

or fifth round, right exactly context. You know, it's he's a guy that you he can do everything, okay, just doesn't do anything great. You know. I think he can catch up all at the backfield, but he's a smaller framed player, so it's a smaller target. Right. He can block a little bit, but he's not going to be overpowering. I mean, he's kind of just a speed bump that pass rushers don't have to go through. And then as a runner, he's okay, but he's not going to consistently

make you miss. He's the number one on my book, right, and he'll I mean he's got toughness, but not to the point where he's just going to plow through, uh, you know, defenders at the second level. So again, I like him, I just you know, he's not someone I'm really going to be targeting. He gets what's blocked, whatever is blocked in front of him, He's gonna get that. He's a pretty damn good offensive line. Travis Frederick's supposed to be back, no question anything for you. But he No,

he's right though. I think there's more dynamic backs in this draft than this guy right here. All right, Dan, you're the you hate running backs? Would you rather draft Weeber at one thirty six or trey ViOn Williams at ninety Williams at ninety? All right? Just getting better. We're all on the same page. Leading the witness there a little bit. Uh okay, Maps says, I'm paraphrasing here, but

he where Draymont Jones speaking of Ohio State players. I've seen him on y'all's board, Like, where's where's he fallen? Probably not a guy that's in play at fifty eight, right, Probably not. He's a he's a three technique though, he's if he's around. If he's around, then I'm intrigued. But based on what I know, I don't expect that to happen there. The opinions on him are all over the place. Talk to some people, um, you know, some guys around the league, and they love him. Some guys want nothing

to do with them. Like it's really perplexing how there's so many different opinions on Raymond Jones. But I think it's kind of like, you know, we talked about Taylor Rap and that four seven eight forty yard dash is gonna bother a lot of a lot of teams, but there's gonna be at least one team that's gonna pull

the trigger in the top fifty and Draymond Jones. I think there's a lot of teams that are concerned about his ability to stop the run, his uh, you know, tendency to pop up off the snap and immediately get washed. But there's going to be someone that's going to bank on that ability to rush the passer and penetrate gaps. And so I think he's gonna go somewhere in the top fifty picks. But I'm really interesting to see where he ends up because there's no consensus on Raymond Jones too.

I want to like the guy. I really want to like the guy. That's not a phrase I like to hear. No, No, I want to like the guys, and I think there's there's more questions than their answers with this guy, yeah, because I mean that's yeah. It's like there's times when you see he can really run. I mean you watch him get up the field, you watch him attack the gap. He's got some pass rush moves. But you're but Dane's right, Playing him against the run is not good. I mean

he gets washed, he gets upright. The first step sometimes is real tall. So yeah, but when he plays low and he can attack the gap, he's a slippery player. You hear me talk about that a lot. But man, when you play tall in this league and there and you don't have a lot of bulk, and he's a two hundred and eighty pound guy, but he doesn't play

like a two hundred and eighty pound guy. Well, the thing is with him, you do see a good athlete on film, but yeah, he didn't test like a good athlete seven seven three combe, I mean for a two pounder, like if you expected a lot more so we I mean, we don't think this guy is gonna be there at fifty eight. But the way y'all are talking is like I wouldn't want to draft him at fifty eight anyway. No,

But there's it's all flashed though. You watch the Okay, you could fall in love with this guy watching him play easily. You watch watch the TCU tape when Nick Bosa got hurt and was out of the game. Draymond Jones took over in that second half and really helped Ohio State win that game. Had the pick six that was constantly in the backfield, uh TCU's backfield. So Draymond Jones the flashes, if you watch his highlight tape, you'll

love them. But when you watch the full body of work and you see everything else snapped to snap bassis, that's where you start to go. You know, I love I like him, but I don't love him. Yeah, but your gut feeling is that he still won't even be around. I don't think so. I mean, I'm what I have him on my board. He's you just wouldn't even draft him Anywhere's number eighty six. And you know where I got him. You got him fifty six day, I had

in thirty six. Okay, yeah, okay, I don't know. I think he's I think he's a I think he's probably gonna get hip in the high second rounds. I think he's gonna get selected. Someone's gonna But the thing about it. He's one of those buyer and beware guys in Ohio States had a couple of those buyer beware guys. Sure

you know, well, I think it's again. It's a lot like Taylor Rap, where there's gonna be a lot of teams that say I'm out, But all it takes is one team and he's too The flashes are too impressive, so he's gonna go high. Sat think Taylor Rap. He's too good of a football player to not go in the top forty or fifty picks. Yeah, all right, Mark wants you all to play a ball with him here, so bear with me. Um, this is a trade back scenario. So let's just assume that somebody wants to come up

to fifty eight, and that's always important. But if you're wiped out, how far back are you willing to trade? And then who would you Okay, so how far back would you be willing to trade? And who might be too rich at fifty eight that you'd be more willing to draft at your new spot? Can I let me let me run this by you, my friend, and it's it's just gonna be a terrible question for you because I kind of know what you're gonna go with this,

But I'll ask it. If you do trade back, say you go back to you go from fifty eight to say sixty eight or sixty nine, would you consider taking the running back if he was still there, Harris, if you picked up something for that move? Or am I getting that's the question. Somebody's gonna give you a four Yeah, somebody's gonna give you a fourth round pick. I mean, I'd love to give you Arizona's fourth round pick. By

the way, the one starts to day three. Yeah, you'd probably make that deal when you But no, but somebody gives you a fourth would and you're wiped out. I think you could probably get Williams by the way, the Vanderbilt corner. You're gonna you're gonna move the mountains to get that guy on this team. But no, no, I'm just saying yeah, no, I mean, I'm I could understand maybe running back in the nineties, but you can't. You can't.

You can't do it at sixty seven or six. Me personally, if you if you dropped ten spots, or say you dropped ten spots and pick up at three, well, let's think about that. Who's there at six. Who would you think would be there at sixty? You picking up? You're not picking up at three? Are you a ten spot? I'm dropping ten spots? So you go sixty eight, you're gonna get a three for that. I don't have the trade chart in front of me. Ten spots. Okay, let's say it's the three next year. I need picks now.

I don't have time for next year's picks. This plays into my point, which is like, at fifty eight, what if I'm dropping dealer? What, I'm gonna get a good pick? But what like that? You're not gonna get a deal that's going to excite me in this scenario. I don't think like, well, we just talked about guys that ideally at fifty eight, but maybe a little too you know,

like Tristan Hill. You know he might be a guy you look at if you trade back ten spots, because it's a little rich for me to take my fifty eight but not for you, you you know what seventy two? Okay, So so you draft Tristan Hill. Let's just make Triston Hill at seventy Yeah, and then you you think you get a third round pick. I'm hold, what if you can't you're gonna take a four I'm not dropping ten spots in this draft to get screwed. Would you take Tristan Hill at seventy and a fourth round pick so

you got three fourth round picks? Jeez, I might do that. Almost almost said, you know what, I don't know. I mean, I would you rather do that or bite the bullet and draft a guy that you don't want to We're wiped out, he said, We're wiped out. Wiped out means wiped out of guys you want to draft. Yeah, we're

wiped out of your of your dream scenario. Okay, So Damien Harris at fifty eight or this so called deal Tristan Hill at seventy and a fourth Oh, he's not gonna take yeah Hill Harris, I mean, yeah, give me, give me. I'm not doing a running back at fifty eight. So, I mean, I was trying to get him to take when it's sixty eight, though, I would just I mean telling me that eight safeties are off the board by you know, by fifty eight. I just okay, I feel like I feel good. I'm gonna get my guy at

fifty eight. Whether say we're what's what's the Savage. Yeah, okay, all right, you're fine with that, but they might not be exactly. Yeah, I don't. I don't. This doesn't sound plausible to me. And I mean I got and I got, I got Savage at sixty and you have him at fifty eight. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, look, Tristan Hill is one of those names where but it's the risk because again, this is the Cowboys are not the only team looking for a three technique and three techniques are scarce.

And the day we tried to get Jones drafted here just a second ago, not here, but right, So, I mean, how many three techniques going day two? Three? Maybe? So you know, if you're moving back ten spots, you're taking a risk that he's gonna make it that far. There has to be at least a handful of players, not a handful, but three or four players you feel good about if you're trading back. I just feel like there's no reason to really trade back, to be honest, I

feel like no. And but he said wiped out. He was just he put us in a box. You're never You're never truly will okay, but in his question, we were wiped out, all right, Our guys were there to say wiped out because you know, again, okay, guyau we'll find you're saying, we'll find a guy, because we'll find Hill. We'll find Hill at fifty eight. Gut feeling, you feel better about a guy you like being there at fifty eight.

Verse the return you get on a minor trade back well, and then that's a key part of it, because again, a fourth rounder could be an NFL starter, you know. I mean, we're okay for Doc Prescott, You're but you're you're taking chances. You're taking chances you're gonna miss out of your guy. And what I was just saying about, Okay, if you really want a three technique, you're taking a

chance that you're gonna miss out on your guy. Okay, say you really want test In Hill, but then he's gone at sixty five, and then you made that trade and you're you're sick Ryan's getting fired, and you're absolutely right, Yeah, you reluctantly take Ronell run there at seventy. Nope, I don't like this. I wouldn't do it. There will be there will be somebody there, there will be there's people on the periscope to think that that Hill and Savage

at fifty eight or two. Rich, I don't agree with that. I mean, I mean Hill, I do a little bit Savage and I'm sorry Savage and Thornhill. Savage and Thornhill, Savage and Thorne. I'd gladly take both of those guys at fifty eight. They what do they want at fifty eight? I mean like we're six We're six spots away from the third round. Wait listen list the best sixty players in this draft, and I have you have a hard time doing it without including one Thornhill. Yeah, I got

a thought exercise. I want to do real quick, make it quick, because we need to do this. Top one hundred. Our long time a long time listener, Randall. He's supposed to come to y'all scouting thing to good Well and he can't. He his daughter's sick. Sorry about that. Um. He wanted me to ask you all this. This is a This is a thought exercise. See if you can follow me here. Player A and B play the same position and have similar traits. Player A is a starter

in the SEC. Player B is a Division two dynamo. Player B, the Division two guy, had much much better production in college. Who are you drafting, And why did you say a position? Just pick a position. They play the same position, doesn't matter, which I mean, I feel it's kind of broad. It's very broad, but you know so much because again I don't production is great, But at the end of the day, I care more about traits and is it possible for two guys to have

the exact same traits, because isn't that what he said? Like, I don't know. I feel like one has to have a little bit better traits. It's kind of like, you know, all right, I'll give you one, I'll give you one. What do you got? I think you got? You got Anthony Nelson at seventy and Max Crosby at seventy seven. One went to Iowa, one went to Eastern Michigan. Well, again, I think that's exactly what I'm talking about, Like they have different traits, you know, Like with Max Crosby, I'm

getting a better pass rusher. With Anthony Nelson, I'm getting a better edge setter, you know, a guy that's better length, better power. You know, I feel better about his ability versus to run. But I feel much better about Max Crosby as a pass rusher. So it comes down to the traits in which type of play you're looking for in that scenario that he's using. It's just it's hard to say that two players have the exact same traits. Okay, better, how about another one. How about how about Winovich at

sixty or Ferguson at sixty nine Michigan and Louisiana Tech. Yeah, right, and Louisiana Tech obviously being highly highly productive and Winovich was two. Um uh, you know in that scenario, I'm going with the higher rated player on my board and Ferguson right, I'm flipped on that. I got, I got, I got Ferguson over. I'm not going to be right one hundred percent of the time like some guys will get by me, but I'm always going to air on

the side of producing against the highest level of talent. Yeah, I know. I think that That's certainly why strategy and

again that's why the Senior Bowl matters. You know, That's why the combine matters, because at the combine, you could watch this Division DUE player or this FCS player go through drill and not just the forty yard dash, but the positional drills one after the other with FBS guys, and you know I've told the story before, but when Eric Fisher and Luke Jokol went back to back at offensive tackle and I saw it with my own eyes, I was, Okay, give me Eric Fisher because he moved

much better, much more fluid, much better athlete. And I feel the point. Yeah, And so it could be tough when you watch these guys on film and you're talking about MAC competition and SEC competition like we saw it with those two. But that's why the All Star Games, the predraft process, that's why it matters so much. All Right, thanks everybody that fired into question. They really do appreciate you. When we come back, Dana and I are going to talk about and Dave are going to talk about our

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is out. Yes, so make sure you go to DP. Brugler got seven days. Yeah, go you grab that. Go check out his Twitter account. Looks so good. A physical copy, It's unbelievable. I'll tell you how important that guide is. Yesterday a Hall of Famer came in here to have his press conference for for his star on the Walk of Fame over there what Champions Walk And it was Gil Brandt. And Gil Brandt is like, have you got

my copy of Dane Brugler's Draft Guide? And I said, I do the amount of calls from that from that gentleman, Yeah, is it done? Is it done? That man, that man, and he was part of he has helped us, He helped us a little bit on this love. Yeah, Gill did a great job. So so yes, you go to DP Burglar on the Twitter feed and grab you a copy of that. Okay, David Hellman, I'm gonna throw it at you a little bit here. You've kind of got our top one hundred lists. I sure do. And there's

some discrepancies. There's a lot of discrepancies. And I think I love I love the fact that I do, love the fact that I have a ton of respect for Dane Burglar. I think I could have scouted with Dane Burglar on that championship team that we had in Green Bay. He would have been fit right in with John Dorsey, John Snyder, Reggie McKenzie, Sean Hirock, you know those guys that are all general managers. Leave This young man to

my right, would have been right there with us. So if I have discrepancies with him, I had the same discrepancies with those guys in Green Bay too, So it makes me feel good that we can have these. So David, I kind of go through a few of those if you want to kind of talk about that, if you would, My main, my main, imprey. And this isn't this isn't you know, um, what's the word. This isn't totally across the board, true. I mean, Dane's got some guys higher

value than you do. You know, Dane's got Devin Bush as a top ten player. You've got him at twenty, the Michigan linebacker. Um about hype there. Yeah, he can play play, there's no question. But for the most part, we actually agreed on BOSSA this year, which was a good thing I think for like, like Dane, Dane, did you remember you remember like the two thousand and two winner Olympics, Like the Russian judge just could not be impressed.

Like that's that's Dane Brugler right here. Because especially You'm okay, the first round more or less lines up for the most part, but you get into like the second and third round and you you said it during the break, you have seventeen players in your top one hundred that Dane didn't even rank. Yeah, but they're in the back end of it. Mainly that starts with Jalen Hurd. Yeah, the Baylor receiver at number seventy five. You have him

at seventy five. Dane says, no, no, thank you, fourth round grade for me, So he's probably he would have made my one fifty, but yeah, I didn't make my top one hundred. I think the you know, the knee injury, uh, not being able to work out that that bothers me a little bit. Um But and he's still work in progress as a receiver. But I think fourth round is

where I liked him. Another one again, you know for Cowboys fans Emanual Hall, the Missouri receiver that was a visit eighty one on Brian's board, not ranked for for Dane. That I just, I just I need a guy that can stay on the football field, and that just bothers the heck out of me. So yours is your greatest more outside of the one hundred because of the health.

Second round talent, Yeah, fourth round, final grade, because I need a guy that I can rely on, and I don't feel like all the hamstring problems and things like that, all the track injuries, you know, the lower body muscle injuries, and he doesn't fight through him consistently, so not the toughness then lacks toughness. Yeah, I mean, I hate to kind of put that on a player, but you know, you kind of that track mentality where you don't he's not going to tough through those injuries and stay on

the football field, So that that bothers me. And that's why he's not my because I loved him. I've been marching for Emmanuel Hall throughout the season. But the more you get into it, more you talk to people, talk to people on Missouri's campus, Yeah, staying away, they'll know about him because of Derek Dooley. Y'all. Uh true, y'all actually line up on this guy really well. And it may be based on your your ranking. Maybe it's a guy we should have talked about at the top. We

talked about him last week. Christian Miller. Yeah, one hundredth one, the last guy on Brian's board, ninety sixth for Dane. I don't know, consideration, where do you play Christians why? That's why I think that Christian Miller. I think for this guy, for this team, he's gonna play linebacker and I and my thought in that would be he would probably play as a Sam linebacker too, right, I agree, And but on tape he was at his best when he was rushing the past. Yeah, when he can rush

the passer. And another guy where he really struggled to stay healthy. I mean, he was a big time recruit, had four starts in his career at Alabama, and a lot of that was because of health, and so when he was on the field, he was uh, you know, Nick Saban talks really glowingly about him because he did whatever he needed to do, you know, to be on the field, whether he's rushing the pass or playing in the middle whatever. He accepted that responsibility and did it.

So there's a lot to like about just his football character, but durability as a factor, and then just fit where what does he do best. I like him as a pass rusher, but I see him more as a three or four player where he's going to be standing up rushing off the edge, kind of like he did at Alabama more so than what they do here. Yeah, I want I wanna go there. I mean, these guys are all ranked by both of you, but I mean, hey, we're looking at the second and third round. Go through

some names that might make sense for the Cowboys. Which okay, well here's one, Brian, I gave Dane all the credit. Dane's got our guy, Chauncey Gardner Johnson. That's a top fifty prospect. You got him way down at sixty seven. What gives? What didn't you like? Yeah? I thought that to me when when when I watched him play and you know, and I was looking really for more of a guy. I like the coverage aspect to him, I think is really good that that part of it was

impressive to me. But I there were times where I just did not think that he was a good enough tackler, you know. And that's the thing that I you know, when you when you start talking about, okay, what can you do? I mean, I understand that how you have guys that Okay, you play him a coverage, but then all of a sudden, the ball gets into space and now he's missed a tackle. Now there's that hidden yards. There's another twenty something yards added because of a missed

tackle there. So I just, man, I just thought it was a fifty fifty proposition with this guy playing as a safety. And I'm not gonna say I love the fact that he plays all over the field. I love the fact that he can cover. I love the fact that he can play in the slot. But I do not like the fact that he is a fifty fifty player when it comes to tackling. I saw a little bit better batting average than fifty fifty. But I mean,

I understand what you're saying. I just thought he was a play disruptor, whether it was in coverage or as a blitzer making play. He's so aggressive and sometimes he does come in too hot. And you know, he's not the biggest guy. He's only at five eleven two ten, so that's not the biggest guy. And you know, so he has to be a little more sound with his technique when he finishes. But the way he flies around the field, the aggressiveness, like that's not something you can

really coach. Either you have it or you don't. I'm betting on a guy like Gardner Johnson. Again, I like him best as a nickel I think that's where you can best see his talents. So if you have I need a nickel player, I'm taking him in the top forty and feeling good about it. These are two of the biggest discrepancies on this entire thing, and they're guys that kind of fit M A and M tight end. Jase Sternberger Brian's got him at fifty nine, Dane way

down at ninety three. That's that's up more than around what gives with Jason. You know, I first of all, one year he did it. I mean, he couldn't get on the field of Kansas really and then part of that was scheme and what they were asking him to do. But then he goes to a and m has the breakout season. You know, I think there's a lot to like with him as a pass catcher, but as a blocker, I worry about him. Um So as an inline player,

I have some questions. As a down the field player. Um, I think that he's there's nothing that really stands out as a difference maker, you know, like there's nothing exceptional about what he does except I guess the one thing that his trump card is once he has the football, he can be, you know, a tough guy to get on the field or get on the ground. So but he as a route runner, as a pass catcher, like, there's nothing that really blows me away. So third round,

he's a solid third round pick for me. Um, you know, I like him, but not taking him as a second round guy. Yeah, I think this guy's a mismatch player. Myself. I think he's right about the you know, some of the inline stuff and the flex stuff. I mean, I think that's that is a concern. But I think this guy knows how to separate. I think he does get separation. I think he catches the ball well down the field. I think the ball in his hands is really really

good too. I think you know, this guy, he gets his eyes around quick for the ball. It's not like he's looking. I mean he's it's not like he's late with his hands or his eyes or anything like that. But when he when he separates down the field, that man, that quarterback did a good job of getting the ball and letting him just run with it. I think he can secure the ball. Uh, yeah, he did get He had a fumble against LSU that should have been called. But overall, overall, though, I do I think this guy

is a mismatch player. I think someone's gonna draft this kid, and he's gonna he's gonna present a lot of problems because of the his ability to get down the field. Another one that really stands out, Bright, I think you've cooled on Zach Allen as a possible Cowboys pick a little after the after the Quinn, after the Robert Quinn trade. Yeah, you've still got him as a as number forty five. Yeah, Dane seventy four. Again, I mean you're talking thirty spots,

like full rounds of difference. What gives I just I don't know, I talking about defensive end who is not going to be a big time pass rushers. That's not what he does best. And I think it just comes more and along the lines of what he does best and how that fits the value of that. If I'm drafting a defensive end and the you know, top sixty picks, I want a guy can get to the quarterback, you know.

I feel like I could find sound run defenders, edge setters, you know later on not you know, later rounds, but third round, fourth round. And so that's why Zach Allen as a third round player on my board at top seventy five pick, but more of a third round player then a guy that I'm gonna take at a top fifty, top sixty. So I like Greg Allen, it's just, you know, he he just doesn't have enough juice as a pass rusher,

and I think they kind of limits him a little bit. Yeah, I think the fact that he could play a couple different positions helps me with my mental part of it, though. I think he's a really hard guy to fool. And so if you've got a guy that has some pass rush ability, I'm Dan's right, He's not going to make you feel like that you're getting one of the top pass rushers. But what you're getting a guy is there's a really good run defender. You're getting a guy that

has some strength at the point of attack. He's aggressive when it comes to playing outside the tackle box. He'll chase the effort. All those things about him, Dang's right, there's there's snaps. He needs to finish better. But when he gets in position, he can be that guy that gets the ball carrier on the ground. He can get a quarterback on the ground in the pocket. He's never

gonna be a double digit sack guy. But but when you talk about complete players, I feel like though he's a guy that would get my consideration that that you know, I have him there talking about him at fifty eight because the fact that he could play a couple of positions. But I also feel like though that he's one of those guys a little bit like Crawford that does a lot of things that doesn't show up in the box score.

He's always helping his teammates get to the quarterback. He can be a guy that could be a pick and then guys could get around him. He's got some power to him. I just liked the guy for his ability to be an every down type player. I just don't know if the number are gonna be Dans right about that, but I think every down he's gonna do something to help you win again, and I mean Crawford. I think it's a perfect comparison for him. Yeah, like that's what he is. His best case he'll have that was a

third round right pick eighty one. Yeah, I draft Zack Alan at ninety, I wouldn't want to at fifty eight. Yeah, kind of how I feel. Um, these guys want, that's what you're a great reflect your numbers reflect. These guys won't be cowboys. But I do think it's interesting. Again, I cut really absurd ones quickly. I know we're runn out of time. Brian Burns, this is a huge one, widely regarded as a top fifteen pick. Dan's got him out eleven. You're you're saying he's number forty two. I don't,

I am not. I am not a fan. Too small he I just don't I see a small player. Can't feed him some milkshakes? Well, I just don't know if he's ever to me. When you come from a big time program, and you've never really put on weight, you know what I'm saying, like you bulk or stringth I just I don't know how he gets into a pro program and puts something. Wait what about our and Randy? Did Randy ever really put on a lot of weight? I mean he's he's he's bigger than he was came out.

Its almost the exact same weight as DeMarcus Lawrence. Oh no, no, I don't. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I just say that. Okay, does he does he play light? Do you feel like he plays light? Yes? He does. See That's where that's you're you're banking, if you're a scout, if you're a general manager, you're tying your your your draft to this guy that I think is a one

trick pony. I mean a little bit, but we're talking about a really good trick, okay, Like I mean getting to the quarterbacks of pretty good speed off the edge, Like there are times where, yeah, if an offensive line dominant player off the edge, I think he has that type of potential. I mean, I see a potential. Is potential to me? Is not eleven? That potential is not eleven? Is it forty two? I mean, I don't. To me,

I would bet on those traits. Uh. And somewhere in the top fifteen pick pass rusher is one of those spots where you bank on. I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong. But I've seen this Florida State bit. You know, I've seen the judging program. No, no, no, I've seen the Jamal Reynolds of the world and stuff like that. Go and not do anything. Drafting sounds like Ron Wolf's last pick. You get you get that fifteenth overalls like twenty five years ago, right, you know, I know it

wasn't you. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, though this guy. To me, if I'm wrong about him being a pass rusher, then I'll admit it. But I just don't see. I don't see top ten talent. I don't, all right, and I really don't real quick. I think this is the biggest discrepancy on the whole thing. And I said Dane's the Russian judge, but this is insane. Forty one spots Dane has old Miss receiver A. J. Brown as the thirty first best player. Brian, you have them all the

way down at seventy two. I think that's the biggest discrepancy on this whole board. A J. Brown, to me, is one of the that is a forty one spot difference. I think A. J. Brown is one of the cleanest players in this draft. Like I think, I don't know what a ceiling is, but I feel really, really good that I'm getting a good player who's not gonna bust. Like I don't, I'm interested to hear what you don't like about AJ Brown. I just don't think there's anything

really special about him. Okay, I don't. I mean all these receivers keep talk while I look at I don't. I mean I am not I am when you there's like you're saying, okay, clean, What is really? What is what? What is his best trade other than running roun Day's second highest ratings, Other than running routes? He's a receiver. I mean he I think he has natural routes, natural hands. He's two hundred twenty six pounds and ran a four four I mean highly productive, set all kinds of records

at old miss receiving. I to me, he is worthy of first round consideration. I can play inside, can play outside. I just I'm not sure there's not speed you he does not play at that time speed. You can't say that. I will disagree there. I'll disagree there. I think he is. Is there quickness there with this guy? You see yeah, okay, fight fight fight. I don't I don't see a I don't see a special player there. No, Well, okay special. Well you're talking about him like he's Where's he get

him ranked thirty one? Yeah? Okay, that you got him right outside the first there's like thirty special players in this draft. Like, I don't think he's special. No, but I think he's going to be an NFL star. Well, all these guys could be NFL starters. Let's not do that. Play that card. Well, okay, you would hope they are top one hundred players. Sure, Okay, I think he's going to be a He's my third receiver Abiliey behind metcalt. No, he's my third. Yeah. I mean I'm gonna trust your

word over mine. Metcalf. I have like twenty seven Brown, have twenty eight AJ Brown have their one? Where this is all? I don't even where's AJ Brown? Brian? You have you must have him way down the list. Where do you have him ranked? Like A hundred? But oh oh, what are you doing. I'm I'm out of it. I'm sorry, never mind, go ahead, he hits your second rated receiver. No, I mean with look, I don't know. I just I see a guy that can uncover. He catches the ball,

he's very strong after the catch, he can block. I just what are the holes? I guess, like I understand thinking he's not going to be like a number one receiver, that's fine, But but no, if he's not, you get him at thirty one and you don't think he's gonna be a number one receiver. Most receivers draft in that area are I mean, that's there's just how many if I follow you there? Yeah, exactly, there's no Okay, when I say number one receivers, there's like thirteen number one

receivers in the NFL. When you say number one receiver, talking about leaving the super freaks, I'm talking about yeah, like true number ones, like not every team. Half the teams in the league don't have a number one receiver, a true number one. So what Stephen Jones told us all last spring? Yeah, yeah, that worked out real well, and they had to go up a number one to get a real wide receipt. I think a J. Brown can be Juju Smith Schuster? When was he taking sixty six?

Sixty two? Yeah? And where would be? Where would he be taking them? Sorrow? First round? Top fifteen somewhere? Well, where did you have Schuster on your board? Dane? We're going another hour? We got more to talk about here. No, I'm serious, I'm asking. I really don't remember. Look it up. You probably have been sixty two where you should have been. But what's that matter with Ajo Brown? I'm just saying we missed on Judus miss Uster real quick before we

get out of here. We might not have How many first round grades do you have? Brian? Twenty five? How many grades do you have? Dane? Twenty one? That seems like a lot, especially for me. Twenty five For me it is. And here I am like this draft black star power to me, like this is not a sexy draft by any stretch. And you're telling me there's twenty five first round grades and I don't have a first round safety or a first round wide receiver. That's music

in my ears. I don't have the first round safety. He's tackles and twenty five like usually it's like eighteen. Well, I'll tell you where I think him different because rock your sin? What about him? Temple first round? Yeah, twenty six, twenty six, Yeah, yeah, so he's just outside. Yeah, there you go, Byron Murphy's my only first round corner one week away. Kids. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Let's do more of that about Brown. Let's talk about A J. Brown some more. Well, if we agreed all these guys,

this wouldn't be fun. No, we wouldn't have a sure to talk about. All right. Well, hey, thanks everybody out there for joining us. I always appreciate the back and forth. I'm sure you guys have Brown higher than me too. But anyway, for my aunt Dane Burglar, for David Hellman, can't get son Bryan Bross. If you're around Dallas Fort Worth again, Miller Litte. The Draft show will be at Shakington's Shakerton's in the Colony April twenty third, from five to seven, So check us out. Then you guys, have

a good weekend. We'll see you then,