Draft Show: Digging Deeper

our friends at Miller Lite. I'm Dave Hellman. I'm joined by Kyle Yeoman's and Brian brought us. Jeff Kavanaughs out in East Texas somewhere. I think, yeah, Lake Cato, right, something like that, hanging out. He's in beautiful. Beautiful to see him out there, say hello, ask him to a mock draft for you. I tried to get the I tried to get the invite he didn't offer. That's okay. We will guide you all through the next hour of draft talk, and guys, be honest. I'm I'm bored of

the talking points. I'm bored of the guard receiver Zion Kenyon Green, Chris Lava Traylan Burke's conversation. I think he's saying there brought us he doesn't love the draft. No, no, no, I'm gonna take it another direction, cot which we will point out thirty visits are ongoing. Ironically, I think you know, Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson were like here yesterday. Big time prospects continue to roll through the Star. But what I want to do, it's not that I don't like

the draft. I want to I want to go another layer deep because I feel like there's only so much we can say you love it too much. I want to get into the nitty gritty good. I want to start here at guard because just more more than anything at that position specifically, because like we've covered the gamut with receiver and a bunch of these other positions, I wonder if we've given the guard position it's due credit considering how big of a need it is for this

Cowboys team. So I wanted to talk to you all about some of the other guys, the guys that aren't at the top of the depth chart, whether that's Darian Kinnard, who we've talked about a little bit, or Jamari Sailor out of Georgia, who I don't think we've talked about at all on this show. If the Cowboys don't draft a guard with the twenty fourth overall pick, I would just love to get a better idea of how y'all feel about the position. I think, you know when you

all these positions, when you dive into them. Because I don't have that many first round grades. You have twenty guys on my first round grade board, so now, okay, where are the bulk of those other names appearing? And you know, the guard spot, to me is one of those positions that has a little depth from the rounds two, three, four.

I think the fact that you have guys that were converted tackles that are projected to guards, you know, I think that adds to a little bit to the intrigue are you you know with the Cowboys, they're in a situation. Would always believe in position flexibility. Can the guy do this? Can a guy do that? I would just rather, hey, find a guy, plug him in and let him play.

But yeah, this is this is a this is a group that I kind of feel like though that if you didn't get one in the first round, that you could find somebody offensive linemen are weird that way that you know, Yeah, the first round ones are great to have, and Dallas has done a great job with plug and play first round guys. But the second, third round, fourth round guys, it might be one or two there that end up being better off than some maybe some of

these first round guys were talking about. And it's it's tough to project because you mentioned kind of the position flex and I know that's a hated term around draft time, but it's it's guys that are projected to be in a different position than they played in college. And you you mentioned the second level of guys. Outside of Green and Johnson, who of course played the guard position and did so effectively in college, the next four guys on my list are at Ingram, Tyler Smith, Jeremy Sawyer, and

Daryan Kinnard. Those four, out of three of those four guys played tackle in college, and that's Kinnard, Smith, and Sawyer. So all three of those guys are making that projected jump into guard. They've maybe played it a little bit, but it's tough to really tell just how good they're going to be and if they're ready to make that jump into the NFL and make the switch to guard at the same time. You know, I you know there's

and Kyle's absolutely right about that. You know. I'll also include a guy, Justin Schaeffer from george as another guy that I really really like. I know, it's almost like they won the national title or something. Yeah, but you know there's who dozen of these is a senior Bowl guy. Yeah, he started left he started left guard for Georgia and I'm just gonna say that the names he has are absolutely right. Ryan from UCLA is another guy that's in there. So we got we get a lot of questions about him.

Can you just take me through Sean Ryan really quickly? Yeah, I think with Sean Ryan. He started left tackle for UCLA and people project him to play guard. I mean he's a big guy, six to five, he's three twenty one. But you know he'll they'll line him up at both tackle spots because they play unbalanced lines sometimes. I mean him balanced this like if he's the left tackle, he'll line up on the right side. They'll just go heavy to one side of it. And but this is a

massive guy that moves fairly well. I mean his basse I thought got a little narrow at times at run blocking and he just like uses masks to try and get movement more than he will technique. And I think there's some bullyiness to his game, you know, as a run blocker, and I think that's where you get kind of you kind of see like, Okay, I get what he is. He's a big guy. He's going a bully you. But you know he can he can make blocks in space. There's a lot of times where you watch him get

as a tackle. They run the screens, they do stuff where uh, he's a draw and it's like he has to wheel on a guy and then push and widen the guy. I mean, he there's there. You know, there was there was times where I thought that were you know, he was a little bit high coming off the ball. But other than that, man again, that's a big man that moves fairly well. I think he always looks under control. As what I had as as my first note was he looks under control. And for a guy that's six

foot four and twenty pounds, I mean that's pretty impressive. Yeah, I actually comped into a bigger Connor Williams, a guy who played tackle in college, was really good in the run. Was a guy who they put on the run a lot, because in that spread offense at UCLA, it wasn't like he was doing traditional pass sets. It was mostly on the run trying to get to the second level, utilizing athleticism, which he certainly has, and he was super aggressive at

doing so. I mean, he was just overly aggressive. Sometimes got a little headstrong, like you said, out of position, but that was mostly because he was just headhunting on the way to whoever he was trying to lock up on a block. But I think for a guy who's a later pick, it goes back to what Brian was saying, there is value outside of the first round at the offensive line spot, which bodes well for the Cowboys if they wanted to go a different direction. Six four three

twenty one. Yeah, that's a big fellow right there. Yeah. Speaking of which, right behind him, another guy I don't think we've given. We haven't given his due credit as Sawyer, the other Georgia guy. What can you tell me about him? About Sawyer? You know, he was the starting left tackle, So you know, here you have Sawyer and Schaefer playing on both on the left side for Georgia, and when you watched him run the football. That's the direction that

they were going. And you know, I don't think that Sawyer is like when you start talking about body control and balance, but his athletic ability will surprise you. And the movement he has for three twenty one pounds is

really really impressive. You watch the Michigan game and all of a sudden, he's handling both their defensive ends and we're talking about those two Cats as being first round, one of them talking about maybe going first overall, and there was some there was It was very frustrating to those Michigan edge players to have to deal with Sawyer a here. I mean, this guy's got some stoutness to him. There was only one snap that I did see where Hutchinson used an arm over move on him, but other

than that boom, everything else was was great. He gets movement in the running game because of his masks. He's going to overpower defenders when he comes off the ball, when he leans on you, you know he's gonna get movement that way. And I kind of felt like though that, you know, when he gets away from the line of scrimmage, this pass set and all that, everything was really really spot on for him. So again another one of those guys that doesn't get overextended, doesn't get out of balance.

Sometimes the body control, like I say, a little little ify there, but not always. But watched that Michigan game and you'll be impressed by the way he's playing. That was by far my favorite tape that I watched. And then it was also interesting because in that National Championship game he took snaps at guard and tackle. He remember game two, yeah, back and forth, and was a part of that that kind of mixture of guys up front

for Georgia. One thing I noted against uh Sawyer and that's one of the reasons I knocked his draft stock a little bit. It looked like outside of the Michigan game, he struggled a little bit against athletic edges, like the stronger edges that are a little bit slower off the snap. He handled pretty much all the way through the SEC play but against Kentucky in Arkansas and Alabama a couple times when it was the quicker guys off the edge, he struggled. Did you see any of that as well?

You know, it was funny because the games that I was watching and were with the playoff game and then the National Championship game, and because I was real interested because of like you were talking about, you know, with those defensive ends at Michigan, do both of those guys are pretty quick, you know, both of get all at all And that's the one that kind of provided me pass because I'm looking at him handling Aidan Hutchinson David a Jabo and then you go to Kentucky and Lewis

Pascal or Dash Pascal getting after him all the way through. So it was it was an interesting back and forth. That was what of Pascal's best games too. By the way, if you want to watch a defensive endplay and you know, if you want to get an idea, but yeah, I kind of felt like though to me that that you know, at that size and that weight, and I saw a guy getting away from the line pretty well be so that that kind of just you know, I didn't see

what you were talking about. But you know, there's there's things you miss is you're watching these guys. So you guys are both way north of one hundred players scouted. You're looking at your board and you just said you don't have any ones, So how many twos do you have? Well, that's what I'm saying. No, I if you look at my if you look at my twos and it's Green, Johnson, Ingram, and Kennard are the guys that I would say that

would be my twos. And then the guys we just talked about, Sawyer Schaeffer, I like Mumford from Ohio State. I'm starting now in the third and Ryan in the third. So I've got if you really look at I've got eight guys in the first three rounds. Well, yeah, eight guys in the first three rounds, and then another three guys in the fourth. So I've got plenty of guards when it comes down to this right there with you. Four guys in the second Green, Johnson, Knard, Ingram, Johnson

and Green are one two cheater grades for me. That that kind of one two punch that we've talked about previously. I have eight guys in the first three rounds, but they're just different guys throughout. Sawyer's in there, Ingram's in there, and then I've got Tyler Smith, but I know he could probably be a tackle guard back and forth. Lex Dylan Parham from Memphis is in that conversation as an interior guy and then I've got Kade May's, and Andrew's

Andrew Stabort from Michigan. I'm trying to remember how to say his name, but stupor in the that borderline third round guys uh that are on the outside looking like this moment, there's a Lexus I think I said right, Lexus Smith from Virginia Tech is another guy you can see. Okay, Senior Bowl guy. Okay, remember him le Setus. Okay, it's one days. I'm gonna get these guys names, right, I'll probably never but yeah, give him give hiving trouble with

this draft too. Yeah, there's some some strange ones too, and there's cold strange yep. Ah see what I'm doing there, which uh Chattanooga right, Yeah, Senior Bowl guy. No disrespect to him whatsoever. I We've gotten a lot of questions about him as well. But I just I get stuck in that mode where I'm like, if you played at an FCS school, I just gotta I gotta see you get drafted here to believe it will happen. Yeah, you know,

I wasn't. I had him in the I had him in the fourth round, and I I just kind of said like about him, was kind of an throw back or old school player. He doesn't wear any gloves or hand protection on his head. Those are the nastiest guy. Yeah, and so I mean it's I said, that's something you don't see very often. But you know, he didn't appear to give up on blocks, and he stayed on his feed and I mean, good foot athlete on tape. I

didn't see him on the ground all that much. But you know, I mean I thought finishing was pretty good. I thought he could climb his guy pretty good. Movement skills are good, but he's just not very clean on some of the athletic pools and stuff like that. It's kind of a little bit about watching Jerkins, the center from Nebraska. Everybody says, oh, this guy tested really really well, and I'm like, yeah, but he watched the tape against Oklahoma.

He's getting rocked a little bit. He looks out of balance, he looks you know, he's playing on one leg. You know, I'm kind of like, Okay, if you want to tell me he's a great athlete, fine, well, there's a lot of Nebraska players, if you want to go through the history, that have always tested very well and haven't played very well. You know, so that's kind of where But if you watch the tape of him the Oklahoma game is pretty

eye opening. It that's something you want to do. So you just said eight guys, and so I feel better about this than I did at the top of the show. But I think it's still fair to say. I would imagine I feel better about your options on day two at receiver than I would have guard. You know. And the thing about it is, though, and you've got to remember this, that they had a second round grade on Connor McGovern. Yeah, grade if one to one. That scares the though I almost said a bad work. That scares

the crap out of you, doesn't it. Yeah, Well, just knowing that plays to how scared you actually are of this. Well, I mean we've we've talked a lot about it, and rightfully so, I mean they had a very high grade on him, and I think entering a contract year, yeah, you would have to say it hasn't worked out all that. There seems to be some thought that they might let him compete against the center and see if if in fact that he could be a center. You know, that's

that instead of playing some guard. But you know, I mean, we you know. On my radio show yesterday, we had the discussion about would you move Would you move if you knew that Connor mcgovernn was a good right guard? Would you move Zack? Yeah? We talked about that until last week. Okay, move Zack to left guard? Yeah? Yeah, so I mean the same thing. I mean, it's kind of kind of crazy to think, but if you, you know, would you always think about get your best five on

the field? Yeah, you know, yeah we did. I'm I'm just so torn by that idea, because, hey, Zach, you're the best in the league. Get your job. You you're the problem. You have to like flip it the old the office space quote, why should I change? He's the one that sucks? Yeah, you know, but at the same time, you gotta get your best five on the field. I wasn't here for this conversation. Did you say you would do that, Brian, or you know what? I would? I

think I would, you know, at least entertain it. Yeah. I think you'd have to ask, but I'm not I wouldn't be like, why move a Hall of Fame guard? I mean, but if it meant that maybe that you could fix your position, I think you'd have to consider it. I want to if I could ask you guys a question. Sure, And we talked to me. I remember, like say the thirty visit things. I'm still trying to get my arms

around the Charles Cross thing. Okay, why he's on their list? Yeah, And I asked guys around the league, and nobody was saying anything negative about Charles Cross, Like am I missing Charles Cross? Like beats up puppies or something like that, or you know what I'm saying. I mean, is there something that is there's something keeping Charles Cross from I mean because every mock draft, every every one of my I'm scene, he doesn't go lower than the top ten.

And then yesterday we did an exercise again on my radio show where myself and Gavin Dawson we're trying to trade up to spots and we were trying to figure out would it be worth your first and your second to go get a guy like Charles Cross, you know, And then we got to like around like the thirteenth and fourteenth pick, and then we stopped having interest in what because we felt like that there were only maybe a couple of guys there, but Charles Cross would be

seemed like the only guy that you would trade up for. Am I right about that? Say the third visit guys? Okay, if the guys on the list, um, how big of a trade. That's what I'm saying. If you had to go to the commanders, it's gonna cost you your first

in your second. Yeah, if you're going, you know, it gets a little a little better if you get down to like if you know, if you think he's gonna be there at thirteen fourteen, you know that that's about where you probably are gonna have to stop because everybody, I mean, there's a team at thirteen. It's gonna use you can use an offensive tack? What Houston? Yeah? You know, do you have to jump ahead at Houston to make

sure you have a chance at Charles Cross? Because there's there's three names on the list that I'm looking at that you may have to go up to get and that I completely don't think there's even a chance they slide the twenty four Cross Lloyd and I wouldn't even

say Lloyd. I wouldn't put him in that maybe borderline but a Lobby and London maybe I was thinking London and Jordan Davis d those are the three that like if I circled it and said, I'm I'm saying these guys are top fifteen picks, it would be Davis, it would be h Drake London, and then it'd be Charles Cross. Cross maybe the top name out of those three. Yeah. So he also plays the most valuable position probably, so there's even more so of a chance that he doesn't

fall outside of the top eight. If you told me that I drafted Charles Cross, I'd ask Zack Martin to move to left guard. That's what I'm trying to get at. Okay, you know, because you're putting Cross at right tackle. Yeah, you know what, And I'm sorry, Uh, I'm sorry, Terrence. Still you become my swing tackle in week five when Tyrn Smith gets rolled up on Yeah, misses three games with the high ankle spring. Actually and well, in that case, yeah, say,

in that case, Charles Cross becomes my left tackle. Yeah, exactly, right, Yeah, exactly exactly. If If I were to drafted Charles Cross, I would I would ask Zach Martin had been make the move? Okay, because what I'm what I'm learning is about talking to my pro scout guys around the league, the guys that are available the guys that are available on the street. Every one of these guys has issues. Oh yeah, every one of these guys is talking about

the Trey Turner. If you look at See Traders, everybody look at the list of guys that are still available, it's it's hardly inspiring. It makes I mean the one there was one guy. There was one guy that my my pro scouting buddies gave me as a name to maybe if to keep an eye on and if I could pull it up real quick. It was a kid name Trenton Scott from Carolina. He's evidently on the street and he said, my guy say, he's a swing tackle

that played some guard. Watched the first Carolina game versus Atlanta. He just mauled the Falcons. From what I was told, big physical, pretty versatile. But everybody else did. I asked about the trade Turners and the other guys, everybody of them was like, they're all broken down, they're starting to decline. You know. That's the biggest fear of Stephen Jones is

to buy one of these guys. Then all of a sudden it turns into a Gerald McCoy or somebody like that, which when you look at it again, I don't somebody else went off the board yesterday. I don't remember who it was, but a veteran offensive line Oh it was GERMAINEA. Yeah, Na Fetti signed yesterday. And you look at the list and you're like, Okay, I think it would have been smart for the Cowboys to do something earlier, but at this point you're probably better off waiting and seeing what

you get in the draft. See that's where I was kind of feeling like, and there's a you know, there's a bunch of rumors going around about the little the wide receiver from Houston right that the Cowboys. I'm going Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks, you know, can you flip something to go get Brandon Cooks? And does that keep you

from drafting somebody at twenty four? You know, that's the thought right there, because if they make a Brandon Cooks trade, then my gut, my gut feeling is that they're going to go another direction with this thing, that you'll probably be one of these offensive linements. Without getting too far specifically into the weeds on a guy like Cooks, but if you were going to make a trade like that, what would the price be? You're probably gonna. I mean, you'd be like a third or fourth. I think you

have to. I think I would you get with all those fives, you know, try and get it in one of those. I mean you try to look at what DeVante Parker costs the Patriots and then you hear that the cowboy always called about it and it didn't get done. So you assume you start there and go start lower than a third. Probably. Yeah, I'm looking at Cooks's contract. So Cooks is under contract for what to uh, one to one more season? Yeah? One more season? Oh no, He's got void years on his deals, so I mean

you can keep him around. So I'd probably be like a fifth or four. See, that's what I'm saying. If you if you offer a four and then you say or you maybe even try one of those fives four and five may just a five. I mean I think maybe if you'd offer a couple of fives, you know you got four of them, yes, but but you know I was for his age and the amount of time he has left on his contract. I sure wouldn't offer a whole lot more. Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying.

And we had Todd Archer on yesterday. And he was talking about that, and he goes last year, I would have never believed the Cowboys make eleven picks. But when you look at Steven Jones and you look what he talks about with the cap, you know, they need all these guys to play. They need Quintin Bohannon to play, they need Gholston to play. They need all these guys

to play. You know, that's that's what they that they They would rather draft you every one of those picks to try and and and you know, keep their salary cap stuff in line real quick before we go to break. Do you think something like that is coming down the

pipe before draft day? What the receiver? And really, yeah, anything that would I was hopeful that they would identify a young guard that's probably stuck in the back end of somebody's roster that they could they could take one of those fifths and movie probably be a player that we'd have to google. Yeah, and then the pro guys would all be like, no, man, that was a great pick. That was a great job by the Cowboys. I was hopeful they would do that so it would kind of

protect them a little bit for what's going forward. I think it's hard to believe that they would go into April twenty eighth and not have anything else happen. Like I know that it sounds possible. They get it with Washington, they did it with Washington, they did it with Layton vander Esh. I think they've made some signings that they're not totally married too. Yeah. You know, if one of these fits of ends comes along and foulers not what he's not what he's supposed to be, boom, you just

move on Vandresh, move on Washington, move on, you know. Yeah. I just I mean Hooks, Cooks to me would be a guy that if you traded, he's going to make your team. And then now maybe that takes you into not having to worry about a wide receiver one, two, maybe even three. Yeah, it would. I mean, I think they need to do something. Like I said, the guard market hardly looks inspiring, but it feels like there's work left to do. So I guess we'll see. We're gonna

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the Twitter. Try to get to more of these than we did last time. I think we only try to answered. Shout out to Justin. I loved your question about trading up, but I feel like we kind of answered it there in the first seme. You want to go ahead and answer it just for cutting dry reasons, go ahead and knock it out. Well, I mean it would be Charles Cross, right, I think it would be for Charles Cross. Yeah, it

would either be Cross or Jordan Davis for me. Two. Yeah, you would give up twenty four and fifty six to get Jordan Davis. That was That's the question. That was the question. That's a little different. Yeah, probably just crossed which I did the math. Jordan Davis is great, but I don't know if I want to give up fifty six those two picks would get you up to like the fourteenth or fifteenth pick. Yeah, yeah, and less something.

I mean, if if for some you know, if Cavon Thibodeau hates football, enough that he was still hanging out at fourteen meant you could maybe convince me that was worthwhile. But I think Charles. I think Charles crosses Cavon Tibbott and to Marcus Lawrence on opposite sides of the defensive line together, I can think of worse things. Guy Stingley had a nice workout yesterday, Yes I did, didn't he I was going to talk about him in the first segment.

I was like, do we need to like? He ran his way out of the conversation with He knew he was going to run his way. The question the questions was the health and the questions words. He really love football. And when we talk to our friends down there in Baton Rouge, they tell us, listen, he just needs a big brother. Minnesota seems to be a really now that Patrick Peterson's resigned in Minnesota. If Mit the Vikings were to draft Derek Stingley, I think that would be a

great pick for them. Well, Draylon Diggs could be a big brother. Yep. No, that's what I'm saying, absolutely no, no, And those questions still remain. But when he can go and what he said yesterday, he's only worked out for three weeks since he got healthy and he ran a four three seven and had a thirty nine inch vertical, all of those questions like are still there, and he's still going to be a top fifteen pick. I can't imagine he would slip a whole hell of a lot.

Further than that, have you watched Sauce Gardner play at all? Yeah? Is there a chance that he's the best player or not? We've talked about that before, Yeah, I mean yes, oh we have. Yeah. I mean I'm sorry, I don't know if that's specifically, but I don't know if he's the best player in the draft, but he's comfortably he should

be a top five pick. I think I said that last week, Like if he gets if the Giants don't take him with one of their picks, I just think that would be dumb, especially if they're really interested in moving on from James Bradberry. Do you have him as the top player in the draft? I was just no, I don't, But I was just curious that, Like, but to me, he's one of those guys because we've talked about Walker. I mean Walker, there's nobody in this draft

process that's made more of a rise. Remember, when we first started, it was Walker was the pick at twenty four for Dallas. Then Walker became the pick for the Ravens at fourteen, and then Walker became the pick for the Lions at two. There's nobody that has risen up draft boards faster than this guy. Which, to go back to the Cross thing real quick, I just and I doubt it because you get your questions, and I know we do, but I doubt it because of the position

that he plays. But the thing with Walker too, Yeah, we keep talking about how much variance there is in this draft, and just maybe there's just no consensus on these There's no consensus, and so maybe, like maybe it wouldn't be shocking if somebody like Charles Cross falls to like seventeen. I don't know, Well, there's gonna be a lot of guys and gals in rooms where you can't drive a nail up their rear. It's gonna be that Seriously, it's gonna be that kind of draft, at least for

the first I think for the first round. Probably for thirty two teams, yeah, or I guess thirty teams because because you've got it, you've got to you've got to identify some hurt players. You've got to identify players with some maybe some questions about off the field stuff. There's players that you know maybe don't fit the profiles because of height, weight, speed. It's gonna be this. This draft has a real potential when we look back of maybe

being really busty. M Yeah, well when it's not sexy at the top, I think that has it's possible, all right, rapid fire, brevity. Brevity is the soul of wit guys. Let's try to get to some of these. Chris is worried about the depth of the tight end position in the sense that once the top two or three go, there's not a lot left. You feel that way. Do you feel like you might have to draft a tight end like around early in this class. I don't think so. I think there are a couple tight ends there that

are decent. But it kind of goes back to what Brian's talking about. They were either hurt or they're one trick ponies, and that's the thing. They do something really well. But that's really about it. Because you've got Trade McBride, who's the most complete guy probably at the top of

my list. Then you've got the Greg Dolchich from UCLA, Jeremy Ruckert who's a thirty busy guy from Ohio State, Kay Doton, who I know Brian's been very good or very high on with out of Washington, and then Isaiah likely the gilani Woods for Virginia are kind of those second tier guys for me, but they do some things very very well. And then you've just got a bunch of receivers too along the way that you can maybe

go at. So it depends on what you want for tight end if you're looking for a blocking guy or all around guy. I can see the concern, but I think there's a guy that can do what you need them to do and you can get them in the later rounds as well. I think this is a really rare tight end draft in the way of guys that are like six seven, you know, when you start to talk about guys like with you know, with Cole Turner was a guy at Nevada I'd watched. I really really

liked him a lot Cooler from Iowa State, they're a guy. Yeah, there are guys on this draft that are very much that hard to cover because they're so long. When all of a sudden you got safeties and linebackers, corners trying to cover these tight ends. When you watch them and there's sixty seven and they extend, you're slapping their wrists, you know, your forearms, You're you're not getting to the ball. And that's what makes a lot of these guys interest.

I think it's I think it's actually a pretty good list. I'm not saying there's any glass eaters as blockers here, but I will say that there's guys that they do catch the ball very well. So if the Cowboys don't spend the top one hundred pick on a tight end, Saturday comes around, you feel pretty good. That's still yeah, I mean there's still people. I mean, I know we all love Bucky Brooks and stuff like that. He still has Widemeyer in his top five. I'm not taking Widemeyer

out of my mix either. I mean, I've always seemed to like him. Yeah, I've watched here. I've watched too many games of him playing against LSU and Alabamas and the Old Misses and the Auburns. You know that you figure it out? Do you not like football? Do you not like working out? If you get if you you know, are you're gonna be this way because he's too talented of a guy. He really really is. Yeah, I mean that's the ultimate trusting the tape. Have you watched chigoes

him okonquo from Maryland. I have not gotten a few questions about him over the He's a little bit smaller than some of these other guys Brian's talking about. He's six foot two and a half two hundred and forty pounds, ran a four to five forty. He had a thirty two and a half inch vert or actually thirty five and a half inch vertical. I think he could be one of those kind of hybrid h back sort of guys that fits a role in a modern NFL offense that you can put him in the slot if you

really wanted to. He's a decent blocker, not super vital or versatile in his pass catching ability, but he gets separation and he gets open as a tied end. I like him in the later Day three conversation as a deput piece in this draft. I'll tell you what's a good scounding reporting the guy. I personally don't think they're going to extend Schultz. I don't either. I think this was the one year to just to kind of flow over, hold it over and give they need a year to

get this guy up to speed. Yeah, well they need a year to kind of help Dak too, because you blot out to Maury Cooper, now you got banged up receivers and stuff like that. This person's name is UC Analytics, so you'll be shocked to hear that he wants to know about Drake Jackson the Southern cow Edge. Yeah, Drake Jackson, just how you view him as a player, Yeah, Jake, he's making a lot of visits when you start to I think that they were tweeting out that he had

twelve visits set up up and an interesting guy. Sixty three, two hundred and fifty four pound. He plays really is a stand up outside linebacker defensive end. And I thought he was kind of a slippery guy. When I mean slippery that ability to like when you can rush inside outside, but I mean his ability to redirect I think is outstanding. There are plays where he appears to be out of

position and then boom, he's right back in that. So you know, he's one of those guys I thought too that could kind of capture the edge with the first couple of steps with the quickness, lower the shoulder, work past the tackle. He fights pressure on blocks. He's got some relentless traits to his game. And but I also feel like there's times where though he'll struggle to disengage and where guys can kind of get on him and

he's gonna he's fighting at Again. I say, he fights pressure, but he just when you really need him to get off the thing. You think that's a size thing. I don't. I was asking. I was going to ask the same thing as its strength. Yeah, I think it's more about his drink. Yeah, but you know, I mean, if he's got the length to be really better at this, But there's times, like I say that he just does it. But his movement skills are really really impressed. He's crazy athletic,

I mean ultra athletic. He didn't run anything at the combine, which is a little unfortunate. His jumps were good. Um, However, I'm with Brian. The strength just doesn't look even existent. I mean, he looks like he just does not have that extra whenever he gets to the point of attack. And that scares me a little bit for a guy who's going to be projected as that three four outside linebacker off the edge, sort of guy. Twelve teams. A lot of guys are looking at him. Where do y'all

have him? Third? I have him in the third, late third. Yeah, buddy, a friend of the show, our buddy Yuma Cactus nice. And you start to feel comfortable with JAFF drafting Justin Ross, the Clemson receiver with the neck injury. Yeah, I'm you know, I haven't got any report from anybody that name since like February early February. There's so many receivers in this class. It's easy to forget about him. I'll tell you what I watched. I watched the pit cornerback last night against Clemson.

We're gonna we're gonna get to him, and then and then Ross was he was part of that. But yeah, I think to me with Ross, I mean I I was super impressed with him and and I think the reason I was impressed with him is that he could play in the slot, he could play outside. The coach is trying to get him the ball quickly and let him go because I think he can make things happen

and he's gonna find ways to make plays. And I think there was for a guy that's kind of thinly built at six four two h five, he's got that ability, but you don't see him getting knocked off his feet very much carrying the football. So I mean I saw him get his feet down in some tight spots he could go hide to. You know, there was a if you watch the Syracuse game, there was one, and I mean it was amazing how high he got off the ground to make this play. So I thought he caught

the ball really easily, and the concentration all that. And again the twenty twenty season with the neck injury, that's the thing you're gonna have to look at. You're gonna have to say, well, are we are we comfortable taking a guy that potentially something could happen again, or are we going to ride this thing out and see what happens.

Does it hurt his stock? In the fact that he ran a four to six four at his pro day and had a thirty one and a half inch would which would have been the next lowest in the combine numbers, I just, you know, it's funny that's banged up. I get it, but yeah, I just the thing about him is, man, I kind of feel like though I'm not asking him to be a first or second round player, but I mean, when you start to talk about those third, fourth round guys, there's just too much. Like I said, I didn't you

can see it on film. I said, he doesn't show great time speed, but there's some initial quickness off the snap. So you know, that's that's kind of where I think this guy is as a player that that you can you you know, he's gonna get with somebody that's probably a pretty good team. They're going to figure out, you know, like oh, you could throw the ball, he's reliable, he could catch them on third down. Great hands, great hands. Yeah,

there's there's there's places for guys like that. I mean, I'm not seeing the guy like a Keenan Allen, But Keenan Allen didn't run great coming out of cal but he catch He catches every damn ball. You know that? Yeah, exactly? Which is that? I mean? Fourth round, Like this is one of those situations where you're just like, at what point, Like if he's still on the board, You're just like, we're taking this guy is still here. The speed and

the medical is probably gonna put him in the fourth round. Yeah, But but somebody would. We we're gonna be working on the draft and someone's gonna take him, and we're gonna say all the positive things that we just said. As a player, he's a top one hundred guy with the with the measurables and the medicals. I can't take him

in the top one hundred comfortably. But yeah, if he's sitting there in the fourth round and you're you're coming to one twenty nine or whatever the pick is, I wouldn't be against that, especially if you hadn't drafted a receiver to that point in the early rounds. We don't want a list of names. We know who they all are. Nicholas wants to know, specifically, if Tyler Linderbaum were to happen to be their first round pick, who are you

specifically targeting on Day two at guard and receiver? The guys you would want not options, Well, you're probably gonna lose, you could probably We talked about every one of those guards. Yeah, I mean we went through every you're not going to

have in day two. You're probably not going to have Green or Johnson to deal with unless you trade it up, unless you trade which so, but knowing that, who like if you're in the we said every every guy there the you know me, I know, but who would you be Like if you're in the room on Thursday night, you're like, Okay, this is who I'm this is who I'm saying, kind of like they did with Calvin Joseph last year. I would probably take Ingramercarnard. Okay, that's kind

of what I was saying, was Canard. Yeah, because I would take Ingramcarnard. That's the name. Those are the names you would circle. Yeah, I would try and go trade up. Let's say Shallier, I mean is another guy, Shaffer's another guy mentioned. I mean those are all like those are third round guys. But if I'm talking about like Ingraham

can those are second round guys on my board. If you took linder Bomb first, it's say it solves your center position, your guard spots still a glaring need at that point I would want if you wanted to stay put, I would say Canard probably in that spot, he's perfect there. If you wanted to look at as Zion Johnson, let's say he falls to thirty five forty in that range, maybe package a fourth round pick, go try and get

up there. I don't know if it would take that or it take a little bit more, I would maybe go try and grab it and then your offensive line set, then you can go figure it out the rest of the way and go play. You're blocking for Dak Prescott, you're blocking for Ezekiel Elliott, take it and run with it. Go with get Lynn brom and go get Zion Johnson. But it would take one of those guys to fall. If not, I wait for fifty six and pick up

a canard. Part of me wonders if they were to draft linder Bomb, if they just say, he'll help whoever plays left guard and we can deal with that later. Sure, mate said, here's here, kind of McGovern or, Go sign a guy and be interested. Sitting on the street, Yeah, would be interested to see really what happens in that second round. If it's a defensive player, yeah, I would. I would keep I'd keep that Sam Williams in mind, I think he's I just there's and it's a hunch.

It's just a hunch, but we we always say that it's always a hunch. But yeah, it's at least an educated hunch. It's yeah, I mean I could see, I could see I could see Dan Quinn saying, yeah, I understand the guard or offensive player or whatever you have to do in the first I could also see that, you know, i'd also see Mike McCarthy. We had this discussion, yes,

Dar and radio. If Mike McCarthy takes over the play calling saying the year, during the year, something happens and he ends up, it's maybe this team is going to have to win games because of defense. And I could also see Mike McCarthy saying, Dan, who do you got

in mind? Who do you got in mind over there that we can help us, you know, I mean it might be about, you know, if you look at efficiency numbers, if you're nerdy like that, ninth best defense, first best defense, it might turn into Mike McCarthy saying, listen, I've got to find a way to win on defense. But also I've got to kind of rein in and figure out

what I have to do with my quarterback. You know, that might be something that you know, I mean, we talked about help Dak, but you know, it might turn into Mike saying, listen, for if I could get good defense, I can do what I have to do running the football and things like that. Very quickly before we go to break. Ugly base guy just wants to know what your grade is on Daniel Filele, the massive Minnesota tackle.

I've got him the third round myself. He's my first guy in the for the matter of fact, I've got him as I look at this right now, pinning in Raymond in the second and then he would be the top guy in the third round with Lucas from Washington State, petite Free from Ohio State, and then Tyler Smith would be my guys in that third round. I would put him in the second round, late second though not anywhere close to fifty six. But I like his demeanor, I

like his frame. I think he relies on his size a little bit too much because he kind of gets clunky with it. We've talked about that a little bit on Tuesday. But he's got good balance along the way too, So if he's set and he's not moving a ton, I think he's a good player. But that's about second round, late second round worthy for me. Even more quickly, I meant to bring up Abraham Lucas from Washington State in that conversation in the first segment. Yeah, he's a right

tackle for Washington State. And I think this is one of these guys you need to kind of know six six three fifteen. He tends to catch blocks and kind of control his guy with his upper body streak, but his footwork is really, really, really good. He can, you know, he can be driven back a little bit, but not to the point where you're like, oh gosh, he's getting knocked back every damn time. But there's a really good physical side to his run blocking, the way he gets

movement one on one. I would say he's a really effective dry blocker, and there's some finish to his game. I didn't feel like there was, you know, he wasn't the best puller and stuff like that. And you're talking about the clunkiness a little bit with maybe with some other guys. But man, I'll tell you what you watch. You watched him against USC and Jackson jacksonton sniff not didn't even sniff. So if you like Jackson, don't watch him against Abraham Lucas because he's gonna he's gonna make

you make you not want to like him. I watched that USC game, and then I watched him against Thibadeau and against Oregon too, because he I mean back twelve as some edge rushers, and he stood up very well. Absolutely, and he's experienced crazy experience because they throw the ball a lot, so he had over twenty one hundred pass snaps during his time at Washington. That's a lot of bring that experience in the later rounds that you could

maybe get a great value for. I'm feeling a lot better about the offensive line depth than I did, but Brian does I did. But it takes you feel better, you two. He makes me feel better, So I'm just trying to pass it on as always. Thank you so much for your questions. We've got tell me more when we come back from this break. Football season is almost over, and that means tax season is here. With it comes taxiety. Filing taxes can be stressful if you choose the wrong partner.

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at twenty three. See that's my point, which and that's not to say you're wrong or not Like Daniel Jeremiah could be wrong. I'm not like he also has Tyler Linderbaum at thirty two. I mean, dude, these these rankings are all over the place, and I just think I think we'd need to be prepared to be surprised by the order that some of these names go. Maybe they know something about Charles Cross, Like again, is it a medical thing? I don't. I don't think it's a medical thing.

He kicks puppies, Like you said, Yeah, maybe something's going on there, but I don't think he does. That was a joke, I know, while I was talking to the audience, das if Dallas has a chance to draft him, man, I'll tell you what, go for it. I would feel great about that way too. And again, young athletic tackle figure a guard out. That's I mean, that's fine. Uh, this segment is designed to not talk about first round draft picks. We're trying to inform you on the later

round guys. So that's what we're gonna do. This is tell me more back by popular demand, and I this is this is a name among like day three kind of guys, guys that aren't big time prospects. I've seen this dude's name more than anyone, and that would be DeMarco Jackson, the linebacker out of Appalachian State. Please tell me more so. He first my eye at the Senior Bowl because he was It was at the end of the day and I can't remember which coaching staff is,

either Jets or Lions. Can't remember which one. They wanted to do one on ones, which makes me think it was the Lions coaching staff. They wanted to do this one on one big showcase at the end of the practice to kind of put Mono Imano running back versus Lionel Jason Garrett thing. Yeah, the Oklahoma Droid complete compete and it was Damon or Damon Pierce that was the Florida running order running back who was just tearing up the field and mobile. And the first guy that raised

his hand, what even selected you do? You know how they normally pull a guy out. He ran up there. Initially they didn't even say anything because I was on the front row, would have heard it went up there and it was DeMarco Jackson to take on Pierce, who would had just a great practice. The competition side of that was as entertaining as anything I saw all week long. He came up and he was the hammer, not the nail.

Came in and just straight up flattened Pierce on first one, took him to the sideline, on the second one, pushed him out of bounds, and then the third one he stopped him behind the line of scrimmage. And in Oklahoma drill, that's hard to do. And that was the first time I really saw him compete, and I really enjoyed watching it. This guy's super aggressive, he's super tough, he's gonna fly around. He's an outstanding finisher, and I think I think Kyle's

got him right. I think that what you watch him play, he closes on the ball really really well. He covers a lot of ground, you know when you when you look at him. There was some There was a couple of times. I think it was the Louisiana game I was watching and they went for it on fourth down and he made like both stop you know, I mean, it was like it was met in the whole running back going nowhere. He's got a real nose for a football. He doesn't get fooled when it comes to make him plays.

I love the way he attacks. I mean his quickness forced his ball carriers into panic mode. There's times when he's rushing in the quarterback you could see the quarterbacks thinking about getting rid of the ball, and he's on him so quick that he hasn't have time to do it. So this guy is a super, super impressive player with some athletic ability. Is the size that hurts his grade or six one? He's two thirty three, so not really nothing really naturally right there. Yeah, I mean, I don't

know why more people don't like this kid. That's I'm because he k y'all are talking about him. I'm like, okay, so draft him at eighty eight. No, he's he's very well could I would be okay with that? Yeah, this guy, I mean, like I said, you talk about somebody that can actually run, cover, finish. This kid's you know, linebacker at that at that heightened weight, I think you're getting a pretty damn good player. I agree. I just I trust Appalachian State and they put out gritty football players.

May just be the fact that he played in the Sun Belt, and the fact that he didn't go up against Applelachians, I didn't really play anybody. Usually some of these like lower competition level guys like a Jalen Tulbert from South Alabama, great type against Tennessee and against SEC teams along the way, Marco Jackson didn't really get a chance to do. This kid could have played in the ACC. I agree he could have played. You know, he could have played it. He could have played it. A duke

or or somebody like that. Somebody like that very well could have Okay, moving over to the Big twelve, although I mean love that though I'm count me as a fan. Gonna go find his tape. Eric Eric Izukama wide receiver out of Texas Tech. You've probably seen his name linked to the Cowboys. Tell me more slot guy. Texas Tech extremely productive last couple of seasons. I mean, he really kind of burst onto the scene in twenty twenty and the COVID shortened dear because he was really all they

had in terms of a receiving threat. And I mean that's a Texas Tech team that really struggled for a little bit on offense. He was as crisp and clean as anybody on that entire roster, good catch radius, goes up and gets the fifty fifty balls, and for a guy in the slot, that's kind of rare because normally, if you're playing in the slot, or at least the early days of the slot, you're you're more of a

separation guy. He gets that sometimes, but most of his big wins were when he was going into traffic and going up and making the grab and showing a little physicality as well. I'll tell you what, Man Tech has an offense where there guy's just wide ass open people bust coverages all the time. The Texas Oklahoma state games or a couple that I watched with this kid, and

I think Kyle's got him right. He's got super strong hands, and you know there were times in the Oklahoma state game where he was double covered down on the goal line and just went up and like doz Bryant like snatched a ball off the top of this guy's helmet and then the guys were swiping at it and he just no, I'm not gonna let you have this one. But I mean, for I mean sixwenties two oh nine, he ran a ton of routes where he had space though. I mean, like you say, there's those crossing routes and

things like that. But he's like a physical ball carrier too, like when the balls in his hands, like he's trying to run over people on the sidelines and stuff like that. When you got you know, and Kyle, You're absolutely right, Like slot receivers have changed so much it's ironic. We're talking about tech where Welker went, but that ain't a slot receiver anymore. Now. This guy he's six To quote Brian, I'm gonna do Brian speak, he's six o one seven, so he's he's a tall six one and two ten

as well, So like this ain't a little guy arms. Yeah, yeah, he's got the wingspan, he's got that, that jumping ability. I mean he had a good vertical, good broad jump at the combine. Didn't run the forty I'm interested to see. I'm trying to find his forty yard dash. I don't have it in front of me. I want to see what it is. Uh, Dane Brugler, of course, shameless plug for the beast. It is out by the way. I didn't know that worth the your investment. Dane's got him

listed at a four five four. Okay, good enough, that's what runs, you know, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, okay, So what's your what's your grade on this guy? Got him in the fourth myself? Yeah, I'm probably right around there. The forty makes me want to push him a little higher, honestly, but that's change it yet again. I thought it would be slower. Ye, Brian, you alluded to this when we were talking about Justin Ross. I would like to know more about Demari Mathis the cornerback out of pit Hail

to pit, hail to pit, another Senior Bowl guy. Yeah, you know what, I'll tell you what. I was surprised I didn't get on this guy earlier. I know there's some people that have him, had him a little bit higher, and I got the name a little bit late. He'll flip sides as a corner, and I thought at first he was just a boundary guy, which would play into the short side of the field, but he ended up playing on both ends, so that kind of took that out of place. He'll walk down in the slot sometimes too.

He'll play square and press man and then the snap he'll turn and bail. And so you were like the receiver broke off the route a couple of times, and he was still gaining ground like he was trying to get somewhere in his zone. But when he did line up on a receiver and play man, he was able to stay with this guy. This guy runs really, really well. He doesn't feel like he struggles at all to run with receivers. He's super physical in the way he plays.

He's always battling the receiver even after the play. He's one of those chippy guys. I thought he was a good tackler. I thought I thought he wasn't afraid to play off the block and get in on that tackle. He'll wrap up in space or he'll trip his guy up. I wouldn't say there's much of a back pedal there for him because of the way that they're asked to play their technique. But the feet look quick enough. The time speed is excellent at four to four one, and

I really appreciate how he competes. Would you put him in the slot at the next level. I think he could play there because I like how I like how physically is and when you play the slot, you have to be able to go two ways. You can't just you can't use the boundary, you can't use the sidelines. You have to be able to cover all over the field five eleven, one ninety six. With that speed the quickness, I think he could play inside and jam up people and run with him. He did so many things on

the back end of that coverage. I mean he was playing that wide corner, he played in the slot a little bit, and then a lot of people even have him tab that's maybe moving the safety. They're playing a little bit of safety on the back end because he has the athleticism to go over the top and to be a center field five ninety six. Ye. Yeah, I mean he could play anywhere pretty much from a secondary standpoint, provide you a couple of options there. I see you again,

shouting out mister Brugler got him as a third round grade. Yeah, I do too. And it's funny. I get a really good group of corners. Bryant from Cincinnati, McCullum from sam Houston, Yeah, Maths is in there, and then uh and then Woolen from from San Antonio, the Freak. I feel like because of what they did last year with Nashan Wright and um Kelvin Joseph. Outside of like the big, big guys I have in five eleven's not on the table. Well,

that's a wonderful point too, I have. I haven't paid a ton of attention to cornerback because it's hard to imagine it being a big, big pick for this team. Good point. But to your point, Yeah, five eleven with what thirty thirty and three quarters inch arms? Yeah maybe not maybe not for this not for this team specifically. He'll be a starter within a couple of years. Though. Another name I've heard a lot about Nick Benito, the edge rusher at Oklahoma. Oklahoma Boomer Sooner. Wow, we're doing

this without Jeff. It feels wrong. It feels wrong without that call yet, Any thoughts on him? Right? Uh? Yeah, I mean he was a good edge rusher, very inconsistent throughout his time at Oklahoma, and I really looked at him while you were watching Federian mathis or Not Federian mathis Perry On Winfrey. Whenever you're watching that Oklahoma tape, you kind of look over to the side and you're like,

who's this number eleven? That's that's making a play. But then you would watch him on the next one, he'd get completely washed out I mean, he was a versatile player. He has the traits six foot three, two hundred and forty five pounds and maybe a little bit over that. I think he's quick enough, he's got a little bit of bind to him, but strength wise, I don't know if he's necessarily there yet, and that's one of the reasons why he kind of gets negated on a couple

of times off the ball. I have him as an early third round grade, but nothing really more than that. Yeah, I have him on the back end of the third and there's like the guys who mentioned Pascal from Kentucky. I had better. I've got to figure out what's going on with these Penn State end and our South Carolina end and all that. I mean, that's kind of a kind of a muddy position for me right now. But I will say this. People tweet at me all the time.

They're mock drafts. They have this guy in the second round. Every single top that's pff because it's we I mean, I've got like seven guys ahead of him. He seems very well liked by certain parts of the draft community. Yeah, I mean everybody wants to put him at that pick for Dallas at fifty six and I wouldn't put him there myself. And I love the way though he's super active, I think he could attack the pocket. He I felt like he does have a little bin to his game.

He could get off quickly with the first step and get underneath the blocker to make a make the play. But you know, I think that there's times where, like I say, the best thing he does is chase the ball. Everything else you're kind of like going, huh okay, you know if you want to. You know, he stands up as a defensive end. He stands up as a linebacker. You know, he worked out at the line at the combine as a linebacker. So people obviously feel like that

that maybe was where he's at. But I felt like, if you're gonna play this guy in, there's gonna be probably five six guys better for me. So I've ad him in the back end of the third. And again, you folks at mock draft him every time. To me at the second, I don't make a comment about it, but I see it every damn time I see it. I disagree with it. Keep sending us your mock drafts. We love it well, I mean I loved the mock trap. But it's just there's some there's sometimes I would have

to comment about it every single time. Yeah, he's one of those guys that wins with speed, and that's about it. About four five forty. I mean, he's got been But if you're asking him to over muscle or out muscle a guy at the line of scrimmage, it's not gonna happen. Gonna wrap this up with a linebacker out of Penn State worked pretty well last year, Brandon Smith tell me more, very volatile, aggressive athletic, and all of those things kind of combined to put him a little out of control

at times on tape. He's in the wrong spot a couple different times. But he's long, he's speedy. He can fit well in a subpackle sub package, maybe a nickel roll. I think his best thing is covering, maybe not necessarily running down a hill's the best way, you know. I think there's things where he's you know, there's a couple of things with him as a tackler. He's either going to make the tackle or the ball cares just gonna

bounce off him for extra yard. There's no I mean, there's no great finish and I do respect the way he throws his body around, but he's super reckless the way he plays, and that's a concern. And I wouldn't say his instincts so the absolute best. I kind of feel like there are things that he misses when the ball, you know, when that when the ball goes a direction, he's still kind of like trying to find it. Recognition, recognition.

I don't think it's all that great. I do think there's his technique could be all over the place, and he always doesn't get off the blocks. So but man, he's six four, he's two fifty, and you know, I mean, you're gonna probably there's somebody's gonna find a spot for him. But there's a lot of things that you would say, Man, I'm not really overly excited about him as a player. Do you think he shies away from contact too much as as a linebacker? No, I mean, I like I said,

I thought he was reckless. I mean, he'll throw his body in there, and but I don't know if he's going to make the tackle because I think foundational, he said, I mean, it's like he's not wrapping up. He's guys are bound off him. He's bouncing off ball carriers. I mean, there's there's there's things that are gonna be like people are gonna say they're gonna fall in love with the measurables on this kid, but I don't know if they're going to get the best instincts and the best finish

out of this kid. Gotta say you sold me a lot harder on DeMarco Jackson, like bringing him on my team. I have Brandon Smith higher because of the trades and because of some of the speed that he has. However, I would probably be more inclined to take a DeMarco Jackson at eighty eight than I would take like a Brandon Smith at fifty six. Fair enough, That'll do it for another edition of Tell Me More, Guys. We are We're getting there, man. We are creeping toward the NFL Draft.

It is three from today. It's a dead on sprint right now. Yeah, well, fair were And it feels like it's just it's the forty yard dash. It all at once feels like it's right around the corner and like it'll never get here. You know, you're gonna wake up one day and it's gonna be the draft, and you're gonna know you're gonna have to work eighteen straight out. We wear ties first day, but I won't be with you. Oh that's right, you will be. I'll where with you,

all right. Appreciate first day, first day where you're tied. Then where your drafts draft show, I forget. We will. We will get all of our ducks in a row as we get closer. This has been the draft show for Kyle and Brian. I'm Dave. We'll be with you all next week. Thanks for listening. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.