Draft Show: Day 1, Live

in the first round, Marshall Irman wide receiver man. But now it's time for a new call. For those who enter the night uncertain of what their future may hold. Those that avoid your whole life, grinding, hustling, seizing every waking moment to get to this night and to receive this call. I have, But the question still remains the same when the moment comes and the decision is made,

who will get the call? Welcome to Dallas Cowboys dot COM's live Bumper to Mumper coverage of the NFL Draft with David Hellman, Kevin Turner, Dane Brugler, Cowboys Coaches Draft Fix and special guests. Now your host Kyle Yoyle. Hey, guys, you didn't think that you were going to get by this draft without me giving you some inspirational words to

start out, now, did you? These come from for President Dwight D. Eisenhower and President Eisenhower said no battle was ever won according to planned, but no battle was ever won without one. Look forward to working with you guys this weekend. Let's have a lot of fun doing this draft,

as we always do. I don't know if there was any better way to potentially start the NFL Draft coverage then we have quite so many times here from the Star in Frisco with Brian brought us some words of wisdom from Dwight D. Eisenhower and saying that, well, hey, plans are there. The plans have been made, the scenarios have been talked through, but David Hellman, there's no such thing as a plan when it comes to the NFL Draft.

It wouldn't be football Christmas without Father Christmas dropping in on. It's like Santa Claus coming back to the North Pole, which I was joking. If you're a long time listen, you might remember when Brian brought us read Thomas Payne at the start of the draft, and there's just nothing better than some melo drama from Brian brought us so we kicked it off the right way. That was well done. Good job, but good job that will be yeah, Brian.

Of course, not on our coverage today. He will join the Dallas Cowboys Draft Show starting tomorrow and then all day on Saturday. But this is the draft show, and it's the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Is David Hellman already alluded to. It is Draft Christmas, and there's a little extra excitement. There's a buzz around the building because not only are we doing this year's draft from inside the Star and not in our own bedrooms and our own couches and our virtual setups, we were all together

in the flesh. Dane Brugler from the Athletic is here as well, flown all the way in from Ohio. We've got Kevin kt Turner the Great all the way from across the pond. I mean, Lake's Lake Louisville to drive on in here. I don't even know if you crossed Lake Lewisville to get here. Levan Dallas, let's right up. Seventy five Ponds. Yeah, that's okay. I'm Kyle Yeomans, but yeah, it is good to be here. It is and there's

a lot that can happen. And Dan you you said it prior to us getting on with the show, but there's uh, there's a lot of talk around what's going to happen in the early parts of this draft. Of course, the Dallas Cowboys select tenth in the first round, but there's a lot that can happen in the top nine. If you were going to give a quick synopsis of what's going to happen one through nine, what would you go ahead and summarize that? Ass quote Samuel Jackson, hold

on your butts, it's gonna be fun. It's I think we can feel good about the first two picks, right, and then we can feel good about a quarterback going three. And then that's where things get interesting with the Falcons and which quarterback to the forty nine ers take at three. And it's almost like a fork in the road pick because if the forty nine ers go one direction, save Trey Lance, then that's going to impact how the rest

of the top ten plays out. If the forty nine ers go Mac Jones, then that's going to send the top ten in a different direction and impact what the Cowboys are doing at number ten because of who will be available. I'm more most interested in. I think, where does that first trade happen? Is it? I don't think it's gonna be four, It's I don't gonna be five, six, seven, eight.

Those three spots are where we need to be watching for a new helmet to show up in the corner of the screen to see who's trading up and who are they trading A four? Is it for an offensive tackle? Is it for a corner? Is it for a quarterback? So the back half of that top ten I think it's gonna be really interesting with some trade action. You know, it's very fun to be h I mean, obviously you don't want to be picking tenth or whatever, but it's

a little different. We've had a lot of drafts over the years where you're kind of there in the middle and you're going three, four or five six guys, so they might pick at ten. You kind of feel like you're gonna get a good player, but it does always matter who's drafting around you. And I can't help but think the Carolina Panthers with sharp teeth and claws. They've been come some sneaky little devils. Today at eight, what

Denver is gonna do it? Nine? There's so much. It's the most unpredictable draft that I can that I can remember, and the fears we've been doing this here, so I'm excited. I mean, we know Trevor Lawrence is going to happen, right, and then it's like what happens after that? It's we fun. I was talking to Dane about that before we went on the area. I'm sure we say this every year, right, like there's intrigue every year and we well, we don't know,

we don't know what's going to happen. But this really, I don't know, this feels unique to me. Maybe it's also it's probably a combination. Yeah, the Cowboys picked, you know, they picked four or five years ago with Zeke, but from the beginning you knew that the quarterbacks were gonna go at the top of that draft, and you really knew to a certainty that you're probably you know, Jalen Ramsey or Zeke Elliott, maybe Joey Bosa like piece of cake.

The big thing this year is we just don't have those breadcrumbs, you know, like in the past of it with a combine with thirty visits, with you know, private workouts, we had more breadcrumbs to understand where these players were headed. This year, it's so intriguing because we don't have those breadcrumbs or as many red crumbs. And then the five quarterbacks that it makes it really tough if you're just

doing a mock draft to match up. Okay, we know Lawrence is going one, we think Wilson is going to but then the other three quarterbacks where you're playing matchmaker and trying to figure out, okay, where do we put these guys. That's the toughest part of this and that will directly influence who is available at ten for Dallas.

It will influence it. But also you mentioned that, Dave, because of how unpredictable this is because of the draft process, because there's so much of a lack of information, not even information, but just insider information, because you don't get to talk to these players or excuse me, these front offices and these coaching staffs. But you also kind of think those front offices and front offices and coaching staffs don't also get to talk to the players a whole lot.

I mean in terms of face to face contact. You get a couple of Zoom meetings here and there, but then outside of the Senior Bowl, there's really no in person contact throughout the entire process. How tough is it going to be on these front offices this year to make decisions on who guys are off the field. On the field doesn't matter just because of how tough this process has been. Sure, Yeah, we actually you know, throw

a little name drop in there. We got a little bit of FaceTime with Will McClay about an hour and a half ago and did a short interview for our dot com and talked about that, talked about how they've had to get creative and they don't have the access. You know, players aren't allowed at their facilities and they can say whatever they want about how well the Zoom meetings have gone, and they did say that, But it's just different, and you talk to any scout and it

goes That's what I said way back in January. This goes back to August. Like, you know, the scouts haven't been they haven't had the access at campus that they're used to, they haven't had the access at games that they're used to. I doubt the average area scout knows the guys that he's responsible for half as well as he would in a non COVID year. So you have to find ways around all of that. And you know, any of y'all can attest to this, Like you talk

to people that are on the inside of this. This whole thing has been a nightmare, and I'm positive they are. I mean, it's exciting you get to add new players to your team, but I bet they're ready to put this draft cycle in the rearview for a lot of reasons. I gotta say, I'm just kind of bummed up. And Aaron Rodgers and Tim Tebow try to like spoil draft night by getting in the headlines. I guess, go away,

we're having a draft. Make it better, though, Like what if I don't think he is, but like what if Aaron Rodgers is really like on the block tonight? How fun would that be? I mean, I guess that hanging over it does add a little Days of Our Lives element to the show. I'll give you that, but it's not gonna happen in the end. I want to talk about you know who's gonna take is Mac Jones. Happening at three or Trey Lance or could fields me the guy at three? And all, what's Atlanta'm gonna do it? Four?

And then are the Saints gonna try to move up from twenty eight? Will the Cowboys jump back in to round one? Will they come back in Toron? And like what all could happen? Like to me, I like all those stories not you know quarterbacks, you know, and back in the league. I go away, guys, that's a minor league baseball play. You're trying to play football again, which, ironically, tight end Tim Tebow could have probably had a decent NFL career if you had just agreed to play tight

end back in twenty ten. So it's true kind of ironic. It's my fault. I brought it up out of the badam Kevin? Should we should we talk about it though, just to get it out of the way because of the news that dropped today. I can't even remember it was Schefter who who brought it up initially, right which part? Rogers? Rogers? Yeah, Should we just get that out of the way to kind of set the table, because it could, like you said, play a big factory into what's happened by all means

do it. But do we all agree that we don't expect anything like that to happen tonight. Yeah, I think we can agree on that. It's just it's really strange timing to do this. Now. You know, it's very very unlikely we see a trade, but it seems like there's you know, this is a real thing. This is something that is going to be ongoing throughout the offseason and Packers better figure it out. They better get this fixed. But I don't think that it's something that will necessarily

affect what happened tonight at all. But you know, we're not gonna see a team. We're not gonna see the Packers trade Aaron Rodgerson. I think we'd feel confident about that. Yeah, oh yeah. And the report was that, you know, the San Francisco called Green Bay, but like San Francisco gave up three first rounders to get up to three from twelve, so it's not like they're a fun team to do business with. You know, there are some teams that you could see, you know, doing some moving and shaken. But

I don't know, we got through it. We brought it up and we killed the topic right there. Nothing's gonna happen to night, I would imagine, unless it does, which I almost wanted to but that that is a really good point, Like we spent so long getting ready to dissect this, and that's yeah, don't do that any other day. Let us let us have this. It's draft Christmas for

crying out loud? Do you so? Of course the Packers picking at twenty nine, and I don't think, like you said, we expect anything to happen with the Packers, specifically in quarterback situations at the moment. But Dave, you and I have the conversation upstairs earlier that we've gone through almost every single scenario, almost every single way that this top ten could work out in front of the Cowboys as you could. I mean, we started talking about this draft

in December, whenever the Cowboys were three and nine. We were on the Draft Show and we were talking through this all the way through. But how likely is it that the players that we've pretty much talked about in the top ten stay those players in the top ten, or how likely is it for somebody outside the top

ten to get into that conversation. I looked this up and credit to Dane Brugler, I have every I have every copy of your beast going back to fourteen, and I went through which not to throw shade at you, I hope you understand that, I just I went through your top one hundred and I just circled names that got drafted fifteen or more spots higher than you had them, or fifteen or most more spots lower than you had them. And for the record, you were right way more often

than you were wrong. But it happens like six to eight times per first round. Oh yeah, and you know there's some really famous examples. Cleveland Farrell is the one that's just burned into my brain. Who's gonna be that guy this year? Well that's the thing, all right. So going back to twenty, I think I went back to fifteen and so six six years, it averages like there were at least two every year and as many as

eight some years. And so if you're even averaging like five or six, that's with a more complete draft cycle, right. I think there's going to be even more variants, and probably not in the top ten. I think maybe there's like one or two surprises, but I think for the most part, the ten names we hear in the top ten will be names that we're used to. But I think it's gonna get wild once you get past about fourteen or fifteen in terms of like, oh my god,

like that that guy? Okay, all right, I'm here for it. And that's honestly, you know, mock drafts. I would have no problem going over thirty two of my mock draft because you know what that means. He was a fun draft. That means it's unpredictable, and that's what's we're here for.

That's what we love the NFL draft. We don't know what's going to happen and tonight, with everything we've been talking about the unpredictable nature of just this process, U five quarterbacks, we just don't know where that we're going to go in the domino effect that will be after that, the lack of breadcrumbs. It's going to be really interesting to see this thing play out. I think you're right.

Once we get especially the back half of the round one, we're going to see some you know, I raising eyebrow raising picks that just maybe we didn't see coming. But I am. I'm also curious too, And you know, you beat we beat these narratives down and for good reason. But you know, we spent a couple months saying like this could be the latest the defender gets drafted in

the top ten. Ever, you know, maybe the Cowboys picked the first defender and then Draft Knight comes around and we're hearing chirping that the Eagles might try to get ahead of the Cowboys for a corner. The Saints are apparently trying to move heaven and Earth to get a corner. And so you can't take any of this for granted.

And that's I've been in the building all day. There is a nervous energy, oh yeah, emanating out of the football side of this building, like you can feel it, like you can feel don't know if I want to say terrified, but I just think that they're antsy about are we going to have our guys as the player we want going to fall to us? We think so, but can we afford to think that way? I think for us it's like this is like Christmas, but for them,

it's more like before the Super Bowl. You know, it's before a big game where you do have those butterflies and you're wondering, Okay, what's going to happen? And there's a look inside the war room Jerry Jones sitting in the middle, Steven Jones to his left hand side, and then Mike McCarthy to the right hand side. Mike looking very dapper with the suit top and the handkerchief today.

And of course, I mean you talked about the energy that's coming from that building, or from that side of the building rather, and this is just a couple of feet down the hallway from where we sit right now at the Ford Center. But goodness, I mean, Katie, you've been here for a couple of moments too. Could you feel it when you walked in, because like, like, like Dave said, we've been here all day specifically talking about it, But could you walk in and kind of feel that buzz,

feel that energy that's across the hall. Absolutely. I looked at my Apple Watch the last night and I said, I slept for two hours, so I couldn't even sleep last night. I'm excited. I have no no idea what those guys are thinking, But you know, I think Stephen described it. I saw Nick Eatman tweet out that Stephen described as self is feeling nervous and there's a lot of there's a lot of outcomes that could happen. I mean, picking ten is what it seems like could happen here,

sitting in there and just taking a good player. But man, the moving and shaking does feel eminent. And I don't know if it's the storm clouds outside when I got out of my car today and I quickly had to throw on this these nice clothes over my white T shirt and I started getting rained on a little bit. Just feel a little eminent that there's gonna be a

little action tonight. So you know, another thing though, that I'll say about like this whole thing, it's really awesome to be in here because we've been doing this like virtually for a long time during the draft show, virtually to see you guys. It's it's been nice and run

into people. But also there's nothing quite like the text messages you get a week before the draft from and Dane talks to more people tonight and people around the league, and just like I'm hearing this, I'm hearing this, I'm hearing this, and it feels like maybe more more of that going on than than last year or the last two years. So I don't know, man, I don't know. I'm glad I didn't gamble a lot on this draft.

Typically I've got a gambling problem, just kidding. That would be a wonderful way to lose that fancy suit that you're wearing. Yeah, trying to gamble on the really fancy suit. I like it. Yeah, Dane specifically talking. I mean, one, is Gilbrand gonna call you at any point throughout this process? Because he calls you twice a show pretty much. Whenever are we going to get a call find Gil Brand? Have you kind of seen that as well? I mean,

just the communication. Maybe people are just itching to talk to each other again after what was all of twenty twenty, but maybe here in this twenty twenty one process a little bit more of that information sharing. Sure. I mean I think that's it's everything's been different, so you kind of you have to think outside the box with how you attack this draft. And it's for those on the outside and for those you know, behind the scenes with teams. And it's been interesting because you know, I I talked

to two teams about two hours ago. They're both picking on the top ten teams that I'm close with. Once that they think Trey Lance is going three. The other said Mac Jones is going three. So you know, thanks for hiring that up right, exactly. They know as much as we do when it comes to several topics in this draft. It's just it's a very unpredictable nature, and it's it's gonna be it's gonna be fun to see

a playout. It is gonna be fun. And the Cowboys, of course, have some pretty solid draft capital to go with. We we have the war room cam that we've already hit. We also have a look outside at the Tostitos Championship Plaza, which there's a party going on. I don't know if it's outside anymore because it actually was raining. Oh it is, Oh, there it is. That's actually inside a band and everything. They moved it all indoors because of the rain. But of course, a COVID safe party out there in the

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Super special things to our friends over at Miller. But let's take a look at the Cowboys draft picks one through ten because we have ten hoole picks this draft this time around, want you to forget about the other nine, like you know when we talk about ten so much, which I realized today, Like you know, forty four, seventy five, ninety nine, we've beaten that into the ground, and then it's what one fifteen and one thirty eight and the fourth, Yeah,

I realized. I was like, I couldn't tell you the number of the picks in the fifth, sixth, seventh round, Like we'll get to that when we get to that, because we got, I got and this is just me talking, but I'm like, I got some hay to make with these four top one hundreds. We can pick those later. But yeah, there they are, one sent twenty seven and

two thirty eight. I see. And that's the thing that makes this draft so intriguing from the Cowboys side of things is because yes, you do have multiple picks in both rounds three and rounds four. So if you do want to maybe try and make some noise get back into the top one hundred, you have the capital to do so. And I know, David Hellman, you don't necessarily like trading up. You want all ten of those throws

at the dartboard. But if you're able to get back into the top one hundred, isn't that a good thing? It just depends, It just depends on it. And I know, like that's such a woosy answer, But tell me who I'm going up for, and I'll tell you how much I hated or not, because if you're telling me we're going up for like an offensive tackle that I sort of like, but don't or we did this on Monday. You tried to get me to trade for trevon Marriage at thirty two, and I was like, are you insane?

Like thank you, which I liked Travon married a lot, but I also like picking on day two. I love picking on day two. It's the sweet spot of the draft. But was I wrong? No, No, I mean I get it. It's it is really hard to part with those day two ticks. I didn't get to do enough shows with you this year because you're my You're my buddy. You're my buddy on the don't trade us, right, cut right. I talked to Brian all the time, Who's like, get your guy, it doesn't matter what Yeah, yeah, no, no,

Brian on this show. I mean day Katie ended up taking Gregory Rousseau. Anyways, with that, if that's on, y'all forgiving me the pick. If I want to, I sho wanted to make Jeff Mann. I would rather have Travon Merrigan No. Forty four than uh um wow Gregory. Sure, yeah, sorry. But we toy around with like draft exercises, like oh, we're all well nerds here, like we're at home and stood mock draft exercises, but it didn't really slap me square in the face until we didn't live when we

got to forty four. It's like, man, five or six good players that I got to seventy five, You're like, dang five or six good players. Like, sometimes it's not always that easy. I mean, I go back to the Tristan Hill, it was kind of like Triston Hill or want Thorn Hill. We kind of got it narrowed down.

Maybe a couple other good plashes. Like I was sitting there going at seventy five week ended that mock draft exercise the other day here on the Draft show, and I was going, WHOA, there's quite a few great names left for us to take at seventy five, and maybe some of those names will be there for you at ninety nine. So can I can I throw this out the real quick? Yes, it's not And I know, like I wouldn't like us as much like journalistic integrity as possible.

I'm just gonna throw out Twitter buzz because it is everywhere it is. There's a lot of hubbub right now about Denver making a deal for Aaron Rodgers's nothing or I think it's all coming back to this report was pretty plugged into the broncosization is saying he'd like won two Super Bowls there, so they would I mean, if

if that were to happen. I'm just in that matters because we're talking we're talking about adding another quarterback to the mix because Green Bays probably not taking a quarterback at nine. I guess they could, but that's one pick before Dallas, and we've talked about a quarterback being there at ten and how that could bring up trade back possibilities for you potentially if that were to happen. I'm just the Cowboys. This does have ramifications that relate to

the Cowboys of sport. No, if it I mean, if that were to happen, it's the team right in front of Dallas. Of course it has ramifications which and you know, yeah, journalistic integrity, we'd have no idea what's going to happen. But somebody, uh somebody tweeted at me a minute ago it was like, because y'all brushed that aside so quickly, it means it's going to happen. It's very true. That would be the most mean. Maybe things have been in

the works for you know, weeks. Obviously, just because it really came to light, uh today, doesn't mean that it hasn't been being talked about behind closed doors for the last few weeks. So anything's possible. I'll still be surprised if we see a trade. Um, if if that helps make it happen, then let's that's great honestly, like O chaos, happy to bring it, like I'm giddy and like that has no effect on my life whatsoever. But just the thought of a player that good. Who Yeah, Aaron Rodgers

is definitely still in his prime. He's the reigning NDDAH getting shipped cross conference on Draft night. I don't I mean, I can't remember anything like that. Would nine nuts? Well? Is it nine? And is it? Is it? Is it two? So you get nine this year? May do you get the next two first rounders? Even? Imagine what the package? Well look at what who's their GM? George Bayton? Where did he come from? Minnesotata? Who had to watch Aaron Rodgers?

You know, toy good morning for the last time many years? So far right? But he there when they got far? Yeah, yeah, I'm if I'm green bay I would want like the next four ones and Courtland, Sutton and maybe von Miller. Just throw it all on the truck if you want to. Bridgewater, just in case, Bridgewater and Drew Locke, just throw both of those guys into the pile. Let's go ahead and look at the draft order though one through ten to start things off, and this is what's going to happen

in front of the Dallas Cowboys. And we're talking about Denver sitting there at nine. The Packers are all the way at twenty nine, so of course it would probably take getting up to that point and then jumping in front of the Cowboys. But this is how it goes. One through nine. Jacksonville, New York conclude the Jets, I should say the New York Jets, San Francisco, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Miami, Detroit, Carolina,

then Denver. If we want to flip the page and go over to the Dallas Cowboys at ten, then it's a run of the NFC East teams because it's the

Cowboys followed by the Giants. Then it's the Philadelphia Eagle at twelve, the Chargers, followed by Minnesota, New England, Arizona, Las Vegas, Miami, Washington, and then the twenties Chicago, which of course that's a team that could potentially trade up and try and go get a quarterback if need be, Indianapolis, Tennessee, the New York Jets again as they have their second

first round pick Pittsburgh. The second first round pick for Jacksonville is at twenty five, Cleveland, Baltimore, New Orleans at twenty eight. That's a team that's been hungry about jumping up, maybe getting a corner. We just talked about Green Bay at twenty nine, and then the final three picks of the first round Buffalo Baltimore via the trade with Kansas City, and then the reigning world champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers at

thirty two before we get into round two. But we keep talking about these trades in the scenarios that could potentially work their way up as Jacksonville Jaguars are on the clock now, Dane, you said there may have been talks between these teams prior to draft night, just based off of the report that we're hearing. If they end up being true, do you think it's more likely a team trades up to get a quarterback or maybe like

a New Orleans team goes up for a non quarterback. Well, these quarterbacks, that'll go somewhere, right, and if we see quarterbacks go one, two, three, and then it's just trying to find the landing spots for those other two other two quarterbacks, and so it's most likely going to come via trade up. I think it's probably not going to happen where the Patriots are just gonna sit at fifteen and let the quarterback fall to them. It more likely they'll go it to up to twelve or somewhere to

go get the quarterback. And then what do the Bears do? The Bears are in a really interesting spot with you know, Naggie and Pace and you know there their seats pretty warm, and so do they have clearance from the ownership to make a deal to give up the draft capital that would take to go get a quarterback. That's a little bit of an unknown right now. So you know, in New Orleans they're always a wild card. Uh you know, could they go up for a corner? Sure, they did

it from Marcus Davenport four years ago. You know they could do it again for a corner this year. I know they really desperate for one. It doesn't sound like they feel good about the options that'll be available for them in the back half a round one. So I just keep coming back to these quarterbacks. And there's a good bet that Okay, Jacksonville and the Jets one two, But good bet those other three quarterbacks will not be drafted by teams that originally had that pick. Man, I

feel like I'm in this I'm in this world. I've been thinking about the Cowboys pick so much at ten and we've been doing the whole like horned Surtan dance for three months now. Well, once the Farley injury happened right as we started doing that dance, and then you started like going okay, okay, So we talk about Rashaans later, we've talked about Penny, So we've talked about cowle Pits and you know, a lot of people roll their eyes, but at the cow Pits conversation at this point because

it doesn't seem likely at all. And we talked a little bit about what if they consider Quitty pay with they consider Ojulari. The fifth year option for Layton vander esh is coming up, you know, gonna make that decision next week. I think that just throw Micah Parsons into the mix and we should be talking about him. Honestly, I think Micah Parsons is of all of the names of the short list, like he's the one that we've probably talked about the least. And to be brutally honest

for yourself. I'd talk about it every week on Talking Cowboys. We do well, Yeah, I get in an argument show. Really I should say, do a show with the Micah Parsons fan club. Yeah, I really do on the Draft Show. And if I'm being brutally honest, I would say, you know, how many of us are are on this damn show? Like ten? People like the ten. We probably like Parsons

the least. Ye is that fair to say? Probably of their of the guys on this short, realistic option two corners and two tackles and throw in pits if you want to, Sure so, Yeah, And I think that's probably why. But I you know, I think I think we've we've covered it, and I think it is something. I think it's definitely something to keep in mind. If this smoke about corners going earlier than anticipated is true. You know, it's hard to imagine with all those quarterbacks that they

get completely wiped out. But if they're in a situation we're both corners and both tackles are gone and they don't want to bail on the pick, I think Parsons would be the pick. So, but that's the thing. I think Kat's even talking about is are we talking about it realistically from a cowboy standpoint that even if they're not wiped out, even if those guys are there, so they take them anyway entirely possible, like only they know

their grades and we know that they like him. We do know that for me, for me, and again that's I can only answer for myself. For me, it's just about positional value. At number ten, I want somebody that has a much bigger impact on the passing game. An offensive tackle keeps your quarterback healthy. A cornerback helps you defeat other quarterbacks. Like that's how you win in the NFL. In my opinion, Michael Parsons is a great player. I honestly, I don't I don't think I would hate that pick.

I wouldn't hate an I'm not gonna say, like to they ruined this draft, right. It's more just that there are two or three other players that I'd rather have them on and Nicolas base though, That's the thing that I keep going too. So if you're you're telling me, if you draft Michael Parsons that one of Jalen Smith and Layton Vanderesh are not gonna be on the field a lot ideally that's what you're telling me, And that's where it kind of gets. You do have to have depth.

I get all of that, but from the beginning you're drafting him, he starts and you're going to play with two linebackers most of the time. Sorry. I did do wonder though, if they did draft him there, would they have plans to use him as a pass rush Yeah? I mean you look at it. He's three pounds later than a Z's audillarry. I mean like it. Plus he's an inch taller, so I mean he there's a lot to like about him as a pass rusher in in

you know, any type of passing down. So you know, I think that if that's part of your plan with dan Quinn as the defensive coordinator, I then becomes a lot more tolerable in terms of value I have to And that's what that's what would sell me on it. Like if you tell me that Micah Parsons is gonna, you know, have six sacks minimum per season, I'm in, like,

I can live with that. And dan Quinn, I know it didn't work out, but you know the foundationing that they always say the first pick you make as a head coach is really telling what was the first pick he made as a head coach, Vic Beasley, which is it's a I don't want to make a strict comparison, but it's a similar idea, right, So that's that's intriguing.

Jalen Smith has some of that to his game. And then something we probably haven't talked about enough is that Kean O'Neill is supposedly going to play some linebacker here, so I could play a lot of lineman. Yeah, I mean, he could exclusively play it, although I think that gets a little more difficult if you add Michael Parsons to the mix. But that is definitely intriguing and it honestly, it reminds me a lot of the Joey Bosa conversation.

Remember Brian famously compared Joey Bosa to Greg Elliot and everybody who lost their damn minds. Greg Ellis had a pretty damn good career. Obviously, Joey Bosa seems like he's going to be much better than that. But I do feel like, you know, we've we've probably pooh pooed Parsons a little bit on this show, and like, I don't I don't hate him. I don't. I don't hate the idea. They're just other guys I like more. If that's what they wind up with, I think they can make it work.

Who do you think is more likely is let's say both corners are off the board, what's more likely Rashaan Slater or Michael Parsons at ten? I think that's fascinating. I think it would probably be Parsons, which is interesting. And then maybe that's just the pressure on the defensive side of the football, a pressure to try and fix what has been broken on that side. But I don't know. Maybe it also that would also send a direct message.

Whichever way they go there, that sends a direct message to me on how they feel about the health of Tyrann Smith and Lyle Collins, because if they picks later there over Parsons, who is obviously an upgrade to the defensive side, then you're saying that, Okay, we're pretty comfortable. See if he picks later over Parsons, you would not feel comfortable with Tyrant Smith, and then the other way around.

I agree with everything you just said, but again I go back to positional value, because like Rashawn Slater has probably taken Connor Williams's job in year one at least. So now, which love you, Connor, and not trying to try talk trash on you, but you could maybe deal Connor Williams this weekend, or at the very least have the best backup guard in the league, or one of them, and then if something happens to Tyron or Lyle, you're ready to go. Let's rock and roll. So and again,

why is this team gonna win games? And Dak prescot right and so again, that feels so much more valuable to me than Micah Parsons. And that's not a knock on parton. And the thing that with Slater that I love is the position versatility, Like he really allows you to get the five best on the field because he if you know, Tyrone gets hurt, he can play left tackle, If Lyle Collins gets hurt, you can play right tackle, you play anywhere on the interior. He gives you five

position versatility. And I feel like that gets thrown out there a lot, but it is legit with Rashawn Slater, and that value right there, to me is why he should be the pick. But I mean, to your point, if they feel comfortable at the offensive line, the way it is, they really want to go defense. Just can't rule out the Parsons there, Dane, how do you rank

those were players? Talking about the two corners, Rashaan Slater, Michael Parsons, Because I think if we if we narrowed it down, if we had to narrow it down to four names for the Cowboys at ten, that would most likely be the four. How do you rank those one through four in general or for this team specifically? Let's do this team specifically. See it's tough, because that's I think Penny Stool is the best player of the group for a twenty year old to be at the level

that he is to be both mentally and physically. I just I'm blown away by that. Penny Tool will be one for me, then probably certain, and then it'd be probably Horn then Slater. It tossed up between Slater and Horn for this team because they do need that another corner, and so I'd probably go Horn then Slater. But I mean, you're talking aboutour really good players. For that you could really make a case for belonging to top ten. So you know, I think if they have a choice between

one of those four, that's not a bad problem. To have. It's not a bad problem, Kates. Specifically, we've talked about Patrick's or Tan versus j JC Horn for quite some time. Of course, corners out of Alabama and South Carolina respectively. How do you rank those two specifically, because I mean that could very well end up being the pick if they want to go toward the corner spot and both

are available. Well before Caleb Farley got hurt, it was Caleb Farley and Patrick Curtan, right, and pretty big distance between curtain and Horn for me personally, So I have Curtan over Horn. You know, I wouldn't hate horn at ten, but I feel like Hornet fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen makes

me feel a little more comfortable. And I know that can sound like someone who's on the fence or something, But at ten, I think you should be picky about who you're taking, Like, I don't think you should take a gay that you're not comfortable. That's me now how they feel about him completely different. That's what it's all going to come down to. But you know, I do think it's very important whoever you have, you know, But I also get kind of annoyed, like when people talk

about the draft with like this year. This year, Yeah, Like I'm embarrassed about what happened on defensive No, in the first round, you're drafting a guy for five years ideally at ten. There's a difference, man, There's a clear cut first round grade that you know you're gonna have. So to me, I've got a pretty big dividing line between Sir Tan and Horn Dave same question. Yeah, well,

and it's funny. I mean, I've I've been Certan the whole way and I think I picked him in our mock on Monday, and my reasoning stays the same, like I just to steal Danes. You know, Dane's been saying this for years High Floor. I cannot, for the life of me imagine Patrick's Curtan busting. Like maybe he'll never be Patrick Peterson, but he's not gonna wash out of the league, just like lake one treadwell, how dare you? I'm with you, man, I was right, there's pay There's

no such thing as a sure thing. There's no But it's really hard to imagine Patrick's Erstan just feels safe. He was the man at Bama from day one. Rave Reviews as a player. Rave Reviews as a guy. But just you know, I've been in the office a little bit more than usual this week, which is, you know, it's fun at this time of year. You bump into people. It's thanks man um I which we'll see. I really don't know. And Stephen Jones said last week that they

hadn't decided on a on a top cornerback. But I get the feeling that that, like dog, that whole thing about Scorn being an alpha, I think they view him as a potential culture changer, especially especially the coaches. Yeah that's you know, that's and you talk to the South Carolina coaches and they tell you the moment he stepped on the campus as a true freshman, he was that guy, and so that's something that resonates. Um. Now, okay, let

me ask you this. Would you feel comfortable let's say both corners are off the board, but Slater and Parsons are there. Do you feel comfortable trading back Let's just say the Bears call. Would you feel comfortable trading back to twenty all the way to twenty? I would rather that phone call come from New England. Sure, but they're not calling Chicago was calling twenties. Harsh Man depends on what you give me. But well, okay, let's say take a lot, what a two this year, give me your

one next year, and I would think about it. If it's for a quarterback, then yeah, one's probably I think I need next year's one. Yeah, okay, next year's one. This year's two, pretty good haul, and you would do twenty as well. Of course, you haven't figure out who I'm targeting, so you have to trade away. And let's just say one of the corners are on there on the board too, So you're trading away from one of those corners, Slater and persons to go back to twenty?

Would you do that? If I'm getting next year's one, I'd be sorely tempted. And I'm so I'm just looking at it, especially from Chicago, a team that you don't think will compete as well as maybe some others that could throw your way into. They did make the playoffs. They've got a target on their back. I mean, you've got a head coach and a GM on job life support. I mean, if there's anyone who doesn't care about future picks,

it's them. Now. Let may come down to like an ownership thing in Chicago but like they need to go get aggressive and go do something. So that's a team. I'm okay, I'm happy to do business. I'm looking I'm looking at you know, just because it's so funny, and I was thinking about that, Like I've been so focused on the top ten up until this week. I couldn't even told you the order of the teams in the twenties, Like I didn't care. Let's go get Barmore at twenty.

I mean jump back here more a guy that Greg k Newsom. Think everybody in the world knows that the Cowboys have eyes for Travan Merrick, like I'd like it. They like him a ZIZOJILARI does he hang around at twenty. I don't hate the idea of quitty pay at twenty a little bit. I love that actually, so yes, I think the answer is yes, I think I'd do that.

So kind of going back to the corner talk, I do like the idea of maybe talking about potential tradebacks because I think we will see that the Cowboys have fielded calls and that might go into some calls in the future. But with the corners, and you kind of alluded to this as well, just kind of hearing the around the building and maybe what they're thinking specifically when

it comes to jac Horn versus Patrick's Rutan. Do you think there's some pasts, demons, some ghosts that are haunting this front office about maybe the corners that they've had on this team in the past, Because if you look at Patrick's Rutan, that could be your Byron Jones. You might have had Byron Jones as Patrick's Rutan, that high

floor guy, not gonna bust. He's gonna be a solid player for you, but he's not gonna do anything over the top special, where As jac Horn could very well be a Jalen Ramsey, a guy that you passed on previous in drafts and turned out to be that alpha mentality, that alpha dog. Do you think there's any of that conversation and that back and forth that's going on based off of some of the past dealings that the Cowboys

have done in the draft. I really hope not. And I know, like cornerbacks, it hasn't been something that they're wonderful at. Like Cheeto and Jordan Lewis were fine picks, they weren't great obviously. Mo Claiborne was one of their bigger Missus ever, but they just you know, Trayvon Diggs looks to be a good pick. I really hope a front office that's got as good of a track record

as the Cowboys do. Granted most of those successes over the last decade or on offense, but I would hope you have a little more confidence in yourself than to second guess yourself because of that. There still is quite some time until the Cowboys pick at ten, but Roger Goodell has making his way to the stage. He's kind of working the crowd a little bit there in Cleveland. Yeah, Joe Thomas, you two gonna play. They had to drag the Kings of Leon off the stage. This is the

most intricate stage I've ever seen. It's pretty impressive. Bernie secondmagine dragons fine, that's good. Jarvis Landry don't wearing any poople interesting here? He would be if Joe was up for in the strap. I have a few friends here with me. Let me do something, even though they don't need to be introduced to. First Jarvis Landry. Bernie Kozar true story, Bernie Coozar is my first Jersey ever. I'm shocked to hear the Cowboys Jersey's home. Where's Jason Garrett's guy,

Brian Stipe? We all agree, But over the past season, one thing that we missed the most was all our fans, all of you, and we can't wait. Bernie. Bernie's a gud there telling you. I mean, with all of you respect to Joe Thomas and Jarvis Landry. What have they won in good point? Jarvis Landry got him to the playoffs? Kind of have all of you back in First Energy Stadium and every stadium across the league this season. Look up into the war room as well on the top

left corner. So tonight to celebrate our fans, we're gonna have an NFL fan from out here that's back. Say, come up to this stage for each draft pick tonight, wow, and sit in that chair, which is a chair I did the draft from in twenty twenty. What I was thinking about Jarvis and Bernie picked the Jaguarer fan who comes up first? Guy, go for it. So they don't get to read the pick. They're just gonna go sit

in a chair. So is that what's happening? In the immortal words of Brian brought us just make the pick. It is Goodell's chair. All right, we gotta winner. Goodness, we gotta winner. They're doing this for every single team, every team, and looks like for the first round. I guess maybe. I don't know if you get you fired up before we start tonight. So big Joe, Big Joe, not so big anymore, not at all. We had a pretty good year, Joe. We're doing this before the first

round pick, our first overall pick. I feel like I'm on the Muni lot again. I think there's a draft making a pick on Saturday. So I'm just getting started, all right. We put the Jaguar fan in the commissioner's chair. Interesting, So yeah, we're still waiting for the pick from Roger Goodell. Oh, he's about to just put him on the clock. The pick's not even in yet. Oh of course not. No, Yeah, you gotta throw this out. The Jags are gonna take

eight minutes and I'm gonna hate every second of it. Well, I'm even looking at the clock here. Draft is now officially open. So it's officially open. That's the announcement that feels good to hear. Though we're here, man, Jacksonville Jaguars are now on the clock. People. People started texting us or tweeting us about starting the Draft show on like October fifteenth. Yeah, I think very Zack went down on

October eleventh, So now on the clock. That doesn't get you excited, I don't know it does gets the blood pumped a little bit. I mean, I'm even looking. I've got the officials sheets from the NFL saying like when what time they're supposed to go? And round one Pick one was supposed to be made and turned in ready to go by seven ten Central time, So we're already

what seven minutes behind almost more than that. We're gonna be on the air until this is twelve thirty So round one, pick thirty two is supposed to conclude at eleven thirty four is the quickest, twelve o three is the latest. So yeah, I mean it might be might be way well past midnight before we do get off the air, But so glad every one of you are

with us and listening, and it's sure. I mean, Dave you just mentioned it's typically around the draft shows and the Cowboys and uh, some of the fans out there who wanted us to start early, we did start early whenever the season was still three and nine. Yeah, then the Cowboys won three straight games and almost made the playoffs at seven and nine instead, And if you don't, if you don't think I've been hearing from Team Tank this week about like we could have avoid wood Its problems.

If the Cowboys would have just lost to the damn Bengals, we would have lost to the Bengals. We would have been at four, and then it would have been Kyle Pitts. I feel like you would still be a little bit of Team Tank at that point. I mean, it's it's it's beyond our control. I'm gonna look forward, guy, I'm a I'm a don't stress about things you can't control. Guy. Point, would it be better? Would it be cool if the

Cowboys had a higher pick? Yeah, but I can't expect a locker room of professional athletes to lay down and die because I want Kyle Pits you know. So here we are and it's fine, no work. You underman estimate the tank. The tank thing in football does bother me because that's a sport where you could literally get killed. Yeah, on the football field, Like, okay, you want to like a tank it in basketball and set guys or baseball like in football? I know, I know, it gets brought up.

You can put worse players on the field technically, but it's really a dangerous thing to do. So I you know, let's just enjoy the fact that we got through the year and here we aren't ten. Ten is a nice place to be. Would you're there be ten or nineteen tonight? God, we were just talking about twenty ago. Urban can't sit still. That's a conscious decision, though, I mean, is urban? Is Urban nervous? Like afraid? Is he afraid? The phone is not gonna that's just always wired. He is a he's

a weird guy like that. It's gonna pick justin Fields, Ohio state product. Wouldn't that be fun? Well, technically he never had him in Ohio States. He recruited him, though, yeah, he did recruit him. You think he makes this work, Dane, And by work I mean consistent playoff team. Well, when you have Trevor Lawrence, you gotta shot this is gonna be a big draft for then they have five picks in the first six five, So that's that chance to make over your roster to two twos or two ones,

two twos and an early third. That's pretty good. So a really big opportunity for Jacksonville and for Urban Meyer here. So outside of Trevor Lawrence being the obvious number one overall pick here, which should happen in the next six minutes or so, But what's the next step for Jacksonville Because of course, like we said, we're gonna see them a little bit later on in the first round, and then they'll have the first pick tomorrow as well. What

is that next need for the Jaguars overall ers? It just straight let the board fall to you and pick whoever's there. It's with a brand new regime, head, coach, general manager. You know anything's on the table because you know you you they inherited. It not a bad roster considering how how bad they were record wise. You look at the receivers Laviska and DJ Chark, and you know, the offensive line's not bad. Cam Robinson's back, and you

know you can get better in spots. There's some players on the defense that you know, some high picks Josh Allen and Chase on last year. You know, Joe Schobert, linebacker, Miles Jack. They need to get better in the secondary. I think that's where you look at twenty five and thirty three. I'll be shocked if one of those picks is not defensive back, safety, corner, get better in the back half. And but Urban, Meyers said, he wants to be the fastest team in the league. So don't you

can't rule out Travis Etn. You can't rule out in Elijah Moore, someone that will help add speed to that offense, especially when you you know Percy Harvin style, that that type of thing. So anything's on the table for Urban. I'm absolutely stealing this line. I didn't come up with it, obviously, But if you go one in fifteen and fifteen of those losses were in a row, just draft the best player, like you need everything, You need everything if that's your record.

So that's that's a fun place to be where which you know, we'll see what they do, but you could take whoever you have rated the highest, and no matter what they play, you're probably upgrading your roster. The only quarterback in the Pro Football Focus cut legion Era to go grade over ninety percent overall as a true freshman. Oh and he repeated that each of his years since Trevor Lawrence, the quarterback out of Clemson six foot six,

two hundred and thirteen pounds Cartersville, Georgia and Dane. I mean, tell us just specifically about what kind of pro Lawrence could be. A lot of people will say he's built for this moment, He's built for the spotlight. He was certainly in it all the way out throughout his collegiate career, but now he's four and a half minutes away from

being the number one overall pick in the draft. I think my favorite stat with Trevor Lawrence is he became a starter as a sophomore or as a freshman in high school, so he started each of the last seven years. His record over the last seven years college in high school eighty six and four. Four losses all came to the playoffs. So he's never lost a regular season game. Couldn't beat Joe Burrows, this is true. But he's gonna lose the regular season game next year. That that's going

to happen, and so how does he handle that. I think that a big thing that you know is going to be part of the NFL. It's you're going to take your lumps, and for Trevor Lawrence, there's gonna be plenty of lumps on a team that isn't very good for you. Know, a rookie that's still learning the game in a lot of ways, and the NFL is so much faster than the ACC. It's so much faster than facing Wake Forest and Duke. So how is he going to adjust how quickly that that's going to be something

to watch this year in Jacksonville. I feel like he's really good when it is all okay in front of him and he's in the pocket, and then you know why he steps up when it's clean. He looks really good. And really when he's under darrest too, the way he kind of keeps his eyes down the field and can climb the pocket a little bit. Obviously he's a dual threat quarterback. They'll probably rain that in a little bit in Jacksonville. So he didn't get hurt, but he can

run as well. I mean, I know, like people got carried away a couple of years ago after his freshman year and they're like, oh, best things, it's Andrew luck and doing that whole thing. You know, when I watched his tape, the times he would get in trouble is when he was kind of trying to have a little fun and make throws that he shouldn't make. And I had like glimpses of Pat Mahomes. I remember Pat Mahomes rolling left and then just launching at fifty yards, you know,

off his back foot donor into double coverage. And I was like, well, he didn't have to make that throw, but he didn't do it near as much as Pat Mahomes. But I was like, I'm not doing that again. I mean, you couldn't talk me out of this being the number one guy. And it's pretty clear. I know you like Wilson a lot, but it's pretty clear. Right, it is clear. The only thing that really worries me. But this is true with all the quarterbacks. The coaches make it so

much easier on these guys. And you watch that clumpson offense. You study it and it's a very quick passing game where you know the ball is up and gone. And that fits Lawrence really well because he's really good in the quick game because everything he does is quick. His ability to process his release, his feet, I mean, for a guy that's six six two fifteen, he moves extremely quick. It's really impressive. So when he needs to slow things down a little bit and you know, still but still

play fast, still play urgent. You know, can he do that at the NFL level when things aren't as defined for him like they were in the Clemson offense now specifically with Jacksonville and what they have moving forward or excuse me, after Jacksonville. I mean we already went through the order of the draft. The Jets are on the clock following the pick from the Jaguars, followed by the forty nine ers. So I mean we've already mentioned Trevor Lawrence.

We've talked extensively through that. The pick, by the way, is now in via the NFL network in the Jacksonville Jaguars. I wonder who that pick's going to be, But then it's onto the Jets, So the Jets would be on the clock right after this. And I mean Zack Wilson is supposedly that penciled in pick, but it seems like it's been more like pinned, Dave, because I'm glad you I was gonna say that if you didn't, and before we came on the air, I've been saying this all week.

I said it during the mock draft, I talked about it with Dane. I think the world of Zack Wilson, but I'm confused as to why that it's just so obvious that he's the guy, and like nobody nobody thinks it's a smokescreen. Buddy's really mad that they're not taking

fields or or lance for that matter. It's interesting. I mean, like I said, I think he's really good, but I just sort of feel like, I feel like his game is so similar to Mahomes and this is such a copycat league that that's what people see when they see him play, and they're just enamored of making it work with a guy like that who can make those types of throws and those arm angles and create plays out of nowhere. But at this I mean, you know, I

think it's fair. Not certainly, not in terms of like what type of player they are, but I think it's fair to compare him to Joe Burrow just in the sense of like coming out of nowhere off the strength of one season. Except oh, by the way, he did it for byu against the rag tag schedule instead of you know, playing in the SEC and winning the national titles. All right. Roger Goodell working his way up to the podium for the Jacksonville Jaguars on the first overall pick

of the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. He is having a conversation with his fellow Jacksonville fan that's in the chair here. He is the commissioner of the NFL Draft. With the first pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Trevor Lawrence, quarterback Clemson. Wow. What a surprise, everybody. Everybody hold in your excitement. You know what, It's easy to be sarcastic, but just remember that in about twenty five minutes when men ask hits the fans,

so true, so true. Trevor Lawrence is the pick out of Clemson. No surprise in I mean, we talked a little bit about him already, Dame, but I mean, this is the game changer. This is the cornerstone in the franchise now for Jacksonville. It's so amazing how the draft, how it affects franchise is long term. Like if if Jacksonville accidentally wins one more game or the Jets don't win a game and they have the number two pick, dees Er Ramier even take this job? Wow? A big

reason why he took this job was Trevor Lawrence. Does he even take this job? And then you know, just how two different franchises can be you know, go in two different directions, or you know, maybe it works out great for both of them. Uh, you know, presumably this is going to be Zach Wilson to the Jets. So it's really really interesting when you kind of look at it framement like that. But may be Trevor Lawrence that

he's got everything you want on paper. I think the only knock against him is you wish you were maybe a little heavier than two thirteen, maybe a little more body armor on his frame. But his athleticism, his mobility, I mean, that's him out running the Ohio State defense there. I mean, there's so much the like about his arm talent, the way he processes. The intangibles are off the charts. So I mean, you can pull holes in him here

and there, but it's just nitpicking. But he is. If you're going to draw up what you want the quarterback to look like, it looks like Trevor Lawrence Katie best draft prospect quarterback draft prospects since Wow, Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, I mean, Joe Burrows. Is it a sense or is it more so than Joe Burrow? I really like Joe Burrow. So I think I would say Joe Burrow, but I don't want to hear Yeah, Dane, Well you're good, you

don't want to hear from me. I just said that, you know, the big year with Baker and Josh Allen and all those guys, it was like, it's all pretty torn how that was gonna go with a lot of consensus point you know, and this is a big quarterback draft it turned out to be, you know, and it's like there was clear consensus from the start here, and I guess Joe Burrow there was. There was clear consensus

last year. But from the time Trevor Lawrence schooled Alabama in the what would have that that would have been when the eighteen eighteen times a freshman true freshman. Yeah, Which it's funny people do that all the time. I even saw there was a mock draft this morning. If you don't follow college football, Oklahoma's quarterback as a kid by the name of Spencer Rattler, and they were saying like, oh, he'll he'll be the pick a year or two fromn

howur or whatever. Like more often than not, people are so wrong about that. But we saw Trevor Lawrence coming two years ago and it never changed. It sparked conversations of should they let guys and instead of making them play three years, should they let them go pro? Now it's like, oh now? Or should he drop out of college? And then a final I love I love that point from Dane two. I thought about that this morning while

I was walking my dog. If Greg Williams doesn't call the stupidest zero blitz in the history of the league, then Trevor Lawrence is a jet right now, that's all like, that's the difference. That's the difference. It's insane. By the way, Jacksonville, this is the thirtieth first round pick in Jaguars franchise history. Twenty of them have been in the top ten, including this year, Thirteen of their last fourteen first round picks

have been inside the top ten. That's since two thousand and eight, Thirteen of their fourteen selections in the first round have been in the top ten. It was the Jags and the Browns together for a long time. Now. This reminds me, I mean and the Browns had so many years, especially when they were doing the Sashi experiment, where it felt like they had eight picks in the top one hundred. But this is the Browns chance, and it took the I mean, I'm sorry, the Jack's chance.

It took the Browns a few cracks at it to finally get those picks right. But if they hit on most of these picks, it shouldn't be too long of a turnaround for him killing. An update on the old big story of the night that's outside of the draft to Aaron Rodgers thing, this is for me a big story that we said wasn't a big story, and now it's a big story. It could be okay, Ian Rapaport says. The update is Green Bay hasn't engaged at all despite a few teams calling about Aaron Rodgers. They have no

plans to trade him. Nothing has changed. So that's Ian Rappaport. You know one thing that the packers only have like two million dollars in cap space, like it would cost them. It would be more expensive to trade Aaron Rodgers than it would be to keep him at this point. So and if they did a trade, they couldn't have players involved. It would be strictly for picks. So that's something to

talk about. I know they're we're getting to have a little carried away in Denver throwing out some rumors we'd heard Mark Schlayer through was saying some things on a Denver radio station that trade was close to being done. But I mean it would be strictly draft picks. That's about it. That's about all they could do right now

because great many camp space. I don't want to throw too much shade at anybody, but you see that from time to time where people get excited and I don't know, maybe forget, forget that it's not a done deal, or forget that they're on the radio. Yep, that's a very good point, that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's like wildfire jets two minutes, forty seconds left on the clock. Here, we just saw Joe Douglas some fist bumps with the

coaching staff Robert Sala in the war room. We think this is Zach Wilson, right, Yeah, I think there's a pretty good consensus that this is Zach Wilson, except for Dave, who apparently No, that's not what I said. It's just it's interesting to me that there really hasn't been any

debate about it since probably Valentine's Day. Well, I'll be honest with I mean, in I did my first mock draft back in November, and I put Zach Wilson number two, and I took a lot back then it was to the Jaguars, but I put I put him at number two, and I took a lot of heat for because at then that was not a popular thing. I tell you what he won me over with how he played this year. I think Zack Wilson's a stud. His ability to be

accurate from any arm angle from off platform just so impressive. Now, yeah, did he do it a lot of that against lower competition. I mean they say lower competition meaning group of five teams. Sure, but I think we can still evaluate the player based on his throws, based on his decisions. And I'm a big Zach Wilson believer. And yeah, I mean, Dave, you were mentioning about Cleveland taking a while to get these picks right, Jacksonville getting taking a while to get these

picks right. This is the same scenario for the Jets. I mean they've you talk about their last four real legitimate first round picks, none of them have worked out. They just traded one away, traded Jamal Adams traded. I mean, they've had good picks, but they've traded each of those. Quinnon Williams. I mean, there's just a name, a couple. There's no there's no nice way to set like. The Jets are a mess. The Jets have been a mess

for a long time at this point. Yeah, yeah, I mean they're they're right up there with Cleveland and Jacksonville terms of like every year when we do this, they're in the mix for that top five picks. Since twenty fifteen, five of the seven first round picks for the for the Jets have been in the top ten, so a similar stat to what the Jacksonville Jaguars had. This is the third time in four years that the Jets are picking in the top three. I mentioned Quinna Williams, I

mentioned Sam Darnold. Those were the two previous picks, and now the pick is in Roger Goodell working his way to the stage for the second pick of the NFL Draft. We're the second pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. The New York Jets select Zach Wilson, quarterback b Y you two for two guys, two for two on the box. Now the draft can start. We knew this was going to happen. One two Hey, look, it's tough because you're right, uh,

you know, Dave when you talk about the Jets. But Joe Douglas, this is the second draft of general manager Robert Salick coming in his head. Coach, he just kind of hoped that with the new regime that they're going to do what's necessary to surround Zach Wilson with enough talent that will allow him to develop. Because that's that's so much about the quarterbacks position. Is not just the traits and you know how we evaluate him on the field in college, but teams have to develop these guys.

I mean, they have to put talent around him. And look look at Sam Darnold. I mean with the Jets, they did not surround him with enough talent to even understand what he could do at the NFL level. So hopefully they continue to build on the offensive line, they continue to build pass catchers, and you know, just hopefully give Zach Wilson a chance. I'll say this, so I have the Jets in the group mock that we did on Monday, and you know, in prep for that show,

I went and looked at their roster. Maybe I'm just being nice to him. I don't hate what they've got work in there, like McKay beck then looks like a great pick. Yeah, they brought in Corey Davis from the Titans. Denzel Mims was a high pick last year. We'll see if he can develop. Connor McGovern coming over from as a solid player even on defense, Carl Lawson comes in this year, gard Davis comes over from Detroit, and they got and now I was going to say, I'm looking

at their picks right now. They pick again at twenty three, they pick at thirty four, they pick at sixty six, and then they pick at eighty six. So if they even hit on half of those, yeah, that's that's not a that's a team that will give people headaches. Like next year, assuming Zach Wilson is what we think he is, right, Yeah, they're going to add a guard somewhere in there. They're going to add a corner somewhere in there. And this this draft could really be, you know, the foundation for

something that could happen positively with the Jets. It's very very possible now with Zach Wilson specifically, I mean, it just wasn't one year for the by U quarterback that where he was a standout a lot of people will say, oh, yeah, it was his twenty twenty season. Sure, it's twenty twenty season. May have elevated elevated him to two, but he played significant snaps as a freshman back in twenty eighteen. He has that just cannon of an arm and a remarkable

ability to throw the deep ball day. If I know you've been big on him, Katie, you've been really large on him. And we heard what Dana has already thought. But what are your thoughts, kat on what by U quarterback Zach Wilson's going to take to the Jets. I think you see the special traits. You see the arm talent, you see how he's able to make a ton of throws from a ton of different angles. And also I like that he kind of trusted his wide receivers to

go make some plays. I mean, he's not not scared to throw you know, some tight window balls every now and then. And you know it's not like he didn't I think it through three interceptions, you know, last year, and it was a very fun offense to watch at by Youth and they do a lot of cool things, a lot of motion and things like that. I thought he had a pretty good clock internally, and I thought he did a good job of moving his feet to kind of create his own pocket when the original pocket

faulters and things like that. So I think you see everything that you want to see. You know, I really like what you could do with Trey Lance. Zach Wilson Drey to go play, and I love Trey Lance. And I know we only have fifteen games of Division two ball, but like heys fcs sorry, you know, I just love it all together, even though you know, I mean you, I'm mean you and t fan, you know, hey here and chout out to conference USA. Umicked John, But you know I think he should y'all have fun with that

on Saturday. Um. I love. I have no problem with this pick. I mean, to me, it got really close between Wilson and Fields and Trey Lance. To me, sits. And I think that's where Trey Lance is ideal for someone like San Francisco who already has a quarterback. Who Atlanta who has an older quarterback. I mean, I think that's a good spot for Trey Lance. So this is where we have a lot of fun. So here's my question. What do y'all think happens at three? I just it's

it can't be Mac Johnson's camp. I think it's justin Fields. I think it was justin Fields the whole time. I think it was a big mop screen and I think it's justin That's that. And you know, people have been saying this whole time, like only Shanahan and Lynch know what's going on, and if good it's true, No, I know, and kudos to them if they can keep the entire league off their trail like that is a hard thing

to do. You got people like Dane snooping around, especially whenever they have him been good at doing so in the past. Jed York has been on Twitter all day lessing with people, which if he doesn't know, then who. Yeah, like it might just be those two. I have no clue. Maybe maybe it's Mac Jones, but look, and I'm just a dumb journalist, but man, that seems silly to me. I spet like giving up that hall. I don't know, Man, they had to know who they were going to get.

I would like to fund. I mean, that's my thing. And that's why I say it's justin Fields and why I think it's justin Fields just because they knew they were going up there, So let's smoke screen everybody once we do it, and then let's have some fun. Why smoke screen though, Yeah, because maybe you were so confident to go up and get Justin Fields. You wanted you spin all that capital, all that to go up to three, and then all of a sudden you're saying, yeah, I

want Justin Fields. That's who we're going to get. Then the jets at two were sitting there like, wow, maybe we should rethink this Justin Fields thing, and then they end up taking Justin Fields. You don't get the guy? You what is the ass head? And grin on Katie's face right now, I'm sorry, No, I texted Dane yesterday because Dane was one of the first people in the world to go Mac Jones is the guy. There's a

few other insiders in on that. And then and what did I say to you, Dane when I text you yesterday? I said, I'm sorry, man, it's Mac Jones. Because I was told it was Mac Jones. Everybody was told it was Mac. I've been wrong before, but I've also been right before. And you know, I'll famously put it out there, like the time the Bears traded up for true bisky Oh, I remember, I remember that. Um, but I had to tell Brad jam I was like, hey man, just trust me on this one. Brad, I get it, but just

trust me. I apologize to Dane. I think it's mac Jones, okay, but you want Dave was one of the ones that said it was Mac Jones original alogized. And it's not because I think that's what they should do. It's just that's what people will tell me, you know, like that's what just what people are talking about, and I don't. It's hard because again you do mock drafts based off your ears, not your heart, not your brain, what your ears tell you, and so you know, it's it's a

really interesting spot. Look that's the forty nine ers war room. I didn't look like hiast the phone ringing. Well there. If it's not enthusiasts, there's there's probably people in there who don't want Mac. All I know is this is a Kyle Shanahan pick. It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. Good point, This is a Kyle Shanahan pick. Whoever Kyle Shanahan wants is who they're going to draft. Does Mac Jones in your which of course he could turn out to be John Away, but like, does he have a

significantly higher ceiling than what Jimmy Garoppolo is significantly No? No, I mean that's a hell of a lot to give up for not significantly better than Jimmy Garoppolo. I'll say this, if you're following Vegas at all and the hours leading up to the draft, there's a lot of action on Trei Lance. Wow. So the moment the trade was made, my I said, trailiance. That makes the most sense, lot of sense. Yeah, that makes the most sense. But then

the mac Jones started talking, But I don't know. Trey Lance to me, makes the most sense in terms of fitting Shanahan scheme, the unique package of skills grooming. You have a year, you have a year with Jimmy Garoppolo to let him sit. He doesn't have to play. No, it's perfect if you're going to hold on to Jimmy. And I agree. I feel I couldn't give less of a rip about the forty nine ers, like I whatever, But I feel like sick to my stomach thinking that they could pick mac Jones. So the pick is in.

With all due respect to Roger Goodell is working his way up to the podium. But I have just been told we are not allowed to use audio from Roger Goodell in the NFL's broadcast, so I'm gonna have to announce this after he does. Really, Yepp feels new to that. It is a new thing that has just come down to pick Trey Lance out of North Dakota State. No Mac Jones, Trey Lance is the selection. And wow, I

mean the smoke screen was real. We thought it was mac Jones without it was mac Jones, thought it was mac Jones, and then Trey Lance kind of threw his name in the pot and it ends up being Land. I don't think it's smoke screen at all. I think that the mac Jones interest was genuine. I really believe that. But I do think I disagree. I do think that Trey Lance, over the course of you know, the last month, really sold the forty nine ers with what he could do.

I mean, he's just the athleticism, the arm talent, the intelligence. It's just a very unique package. And he's unprecedented. We're talking about seventeen queer starts all at the FCS level. We're talking about a guy who was so good as a redshirt freshman with zero interceptions, leading North Dakota State sixteen to o record FCS National championship. But we're twenty years old and the meager experience. It's just a very

unprecedented quarterback and a very unprecedented pick. And I know we live in a world where are you draft guys and they go play immediately, But I love when there's a chance for someone to go sit and learn for a year. I know it seems like a weird thing to do at pick three. That offense has a ton of talent on it. They've proven they can win games

with Jimmy Garoppolo. His health is clearly a question mark, and they clearly have been unhappy with him over the last couple of years, kind of the same way the Rams are kind of unhappy with Jared Goff. But this, to me, it just makes so much sense for Trey Lance to end up here or Atlanta, And I really

love it, and I love Trey Lance. I mean, it's so fun to watch him take over games in so many different ways with his feet, with his legs, and he had a game where he carried both thirty times, and he makes some crazy throws and I think everything you hear about him too off the field, and I know, and we were just talking about not knowing a ton about these prospects this year, are not knowing as much as usual. You hear that he's very, very intelligent and

will continue to grow in that regard. I look at I look to say he completed sixty seven percent of his passes twenty eight touchdowns in twenty nineteen with no interceptions. He had one interception and three hundred and eighteen pass attempts. The bad news there is that he only had three. That's it. It's the one I'm I'm ecstatic, and that's I'm glad that my opinion doesn't actually weigh into any of this because I'll just admit it, like I'm a

sucker for fun. I want fun. Well, when Trey Lance rolls out and just that thing is a howitzer, like Patrick Mahomes is jealous of this dude's arm strength, that's an exaggeration, but I mean it's insane, and I'm just like, we let's do this. And yeah, I mean San Francisco, you're removed from a super Bowl. There's talent there. They didn't they don't need to, like, they don't need to draft somebody to get over the top. They can contend with what they have and this guy, you know, this

guy could be there ready to step in. And again, it's kind of like Zach Wilson looking like Mahomes on tape, but it does. It reminds you of what the Chiefs did. Like Mahomes didn't play he I think he played Week seventeen of his rookie year when the playoffs were locked up, and this you know, he has the potential to do

something similar. I really do think they had a lot of confidence going up and they knew it was going to be Trey Lance going into I think there was some interest from Mac Jones potentially, but I think overall it was Trey Lance or somebody changed our mind. I think whenever they made that trade, gave up multiple first round picks and traded with Miami to get that third

overall pick. And Katie, you mentioned about off the field with Trey Lance, and we've already mentioned it just how hard it is from a scout standpoint, from an front office standpoint to know these guys and to know who they are as a person, especially if they're going to be a franchise quarterback for years. To come. The father played for Southwest Minnesota State, joined NFL camps with the Oilers and the forty nine Ers before playing in the

CFL for Saskatchewan, so there was a connection there. And now Trey Lance is going to be a forty nine er himself, and well that would be a lot of fun over the next couple of years. We'll see what that ends up happening. So far, the quarterbacks have gone the way personally I had them ranked with Lawrence Wilson and Lance and what we surprised. Dame Peler is right. I'd rather be right three years from now then right now, you know. But we'll see what. Uh you know, where

does fields going now? And that's the question, where does Mac Jones go now? Where does it go now? So that that's the first thing I thought about, is it reminds me I keep making these ridiculous comparisons to like Hall of Fame complain, I love it. The debate in two thousand, what was that five or six? Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers at one, Rogers doesn't go one and

he falls all the way to twenty three. I'm not saying that's going to happen to Mac Jones, but this was the place where he was linked for the last two months, and now we have no clue who loves this guy my interest? Does Carolina like mac Jones enough to draft him eighth? Does somebody come up for him? Doesn't? Could he fall? Like could mac Jones fall to like twenty? What's Denver doing at nine? What's stupid? Aaron Rodgers room.

We're going around and it's like if if, if Denver could get Justin Fields at nine, and then they can just let that play out between Justin Fields and Drew Lock. Don't you kind of can it? Or that if you're Denver at nine, you could and Justin Fields And it feels like teams will like Justin Fields more than mac Jones. I want to be a jerk. Mac Jones is my fiftieth ranked player. Like I was just stacking him up and I was like, nod, take him over him and I'd take him over into and maybe it's a dumb,

small sample size exercise. But when I was told they put them together and I was like, man, I guess I gotta squeeze mac Jones into my top fifty. I don't. I don't have any interest in a quarterback who can't move in twenty twenty one totally, Like I just I don't have any interest in that, and that's why I had him way down there. But it's like, I think other teams are gonna feel the same way, and that's why the mac Jones thing was so sketchy from the beginning.

It's the same thing I was talking about with Parsons, Like, I think mac Jones is a good player, he's probably worth the first round pick. Yeah, it's just when you're talking about trading up to three to do it where I get dubious. I'm just like, something's crazy here, and whatever team takes him, their friends are gonna do mac Jones who? Mac Jones? Who? Very years? I mean, because it's it's right there, it's great, you have to do it. So Atlanta has submitted their pick that he's in for

the funcon heartbroken. I was about to ask you that exact same question. Is this Kyle Pitts? Is this the fourth quarterback? By the way, first time since ninety nine that the first three picks were all quarterbacks. If four quarterbacks go in a row, it'll be the first time ever. But no tight end has ever been selected in the first four picks of the NFL Draft. So we're gonna

see history either way here with Atlanta. If they're gonna either take tight end Kyle Pitts out of Florida or if they pick a quarterback, it'll be the first time either way that we'll see something new in the NFL Draft here in twenty twenty one. So that's a little exciting, Dave. You'll get your spirits up a little if Kyle Pitts is off the board, which I mean, you know it's coming.

I was like, I made peace with Pits going a long time ago, Like I I'm not stupid enough to take you though you know I really did, and I, like everybody knows I love Pits, but I'm not. I'm not in denial either. And if he doesn't go at four, he'll go at six like he ain't. It ain't happening. You're not Lightning's not striking twice like Lamb was. Lamb was a miracle. You're not getting an even bigger miracle. So I think this is probably Pits. But even if

it's not, I'm not holding my breath. So when are you allowed to say it? Kyle? I guess whenever I read the bottom line on the screen. So the Falcons the fourth overall pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select he is hide in Kyle Pitts out of Florida. So the dream is crushed. He is not a Dallas Cowboy. Instead, he will be playing for

Dan Quinn's old team in the Atlanta Falcons. But this is the pick that we kind of anticipated, the hellman dream, because I think a lot of Cowboys fans did kind of go, no, you don't defense. I don't know, I swear a lot of people. I was one of those people. Me too. You don't pass on him, we don't. That's the thing. You don't want to be the team that says, you know, we passed on special. And that's what you keep coming back to with Kyle Pits. He is just

a different type of dude. He forces the defense to just played differently with the way he can attack, the way he can line up all over the formation. There's so much you can do with a talent like that, just to he's a rare, rare player, and people will say, oh, it was the last time a talk or. I then went top ten and actually worked out. Well, when's the last time we saw a guy like Kyle Pitts. We don't.

We've never seen a guy like this, So, I mean, this is just a rare occurrence with a rare player, a special player who we don't know. Julio Jones. If he's going to be an Outlanta much longer, we just don't know that. But regardless, he's going to help that offense and Arthur Smith coming in, new head coach, new play caller. We know the falcon or you know, he likes to use the tight end a lot in that offense.

So it's just a natural fit. If he were a wide receiver, he would have been thrown the nation and yards per route run. This is not one of those guys you're throwing screens too, and he like some of these you know, waddle and you know some of these wide receivers Straft were a lot of you know, near the line of scrimmage completions. You know, when you look at thirty nine of his forty three catches were for

a touchdown or a first down. It's insane. And the other thing too, thirty nine forty three, Yes, that's zero drops. It's easy and you know, quarterbacks are so valuable. I get it, but Matt Ryan's contract is a beast, Like they can't really get away from that thing. And so what do you do there, Like do you draft a quarterback and try to get rid of Matt Ryan in a year or two and then carry the forty million in dead money on your cap just because you want

to have a new quarterback. I don't think it makes a ton of sense. So I think the Falcons are right that their best bet is probably to load up and help Matt Ryan as much as you can for you know, whatever's left of his career. Look at its fifty five percent of his snaps for in line, twenty four percent in the slot, twenty one percent outside. He can do anything with him, which we've talked about a lot.

I still if I was the GM in Atlanta, I would have taken justin fields because I just think when you're up there and you have a quarterback at the edge of Matt Ryan, you just you got to move it on down the road a little bit. At some point, I think the GM did want to go quarterback, but I think the head coach was like, no, we're gonna win now. I really think Arthur Smith looked at it and said, Matt Ryan is you know he's not done.

You know he's gonna help us compete. And you add a talent like Kyle Pitts, and you know we got a chance to go out there and makes something happen. You look at that offense, I mean you they're going to draft a running back probably at some point, and that that offense is looking kind of scary. Matt Ryan. I mean, right now, the running back would be Mike Davis. You've got Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Kyle Pitts, and Kyle

Pitts specifically. I mean he he even talked about it with his interview with the Cowboys and we saw it on the social media page. He watches a lot of Travis Kelsey. He's been I mean, at least coming out of college better than Travis Kelsey. Let all the FBS tight ends and receiving touchdowns. Tied single game school record at Florida for receiving touchdowns and that's as a tight end, highest ever selected tight end in NFL draft history, all

the way up to four. He's special, But canny take that offense to the left next level and like Dan said, try and win now the answers yes, well. And then another point too, is the NFC South isn't a little bit of a transition. I mean the Drew Brees saying are done and you know the reigning champ is in the South. I get that. But Tom Brady's going to retire eventually, I would I would guess. Maybe I shouldn't bet on that, but I would guess Tom Brady's going

to retire before Matt Ryan. Like that seems plausibles. And plus he may retire after you retire. Well that's I hope not lord, but um yeah. And you know, seven teams get into the playoffs now as opposed to six, So like it like it's not out of the realm of possibility that Atlanta as a playoff contender. I think they probably are if they can add some beef to their defense. I think they were much like Dallas last year and that they were hurt, they were banged up,

and they had a very disappointing year. I don't know if the expectations were as high in Atlanta, but they certainly have the firepower, especially with a pick like this. To get back in the conversation, you know who's really kind of kicking themselves right now is Kyle Pitts. Where he originally went to high school. He wanted to be a tight end, but he played quarterback and the coaches wouldn't move him the tight end. They said no, So he transferred becomes a tight end. Now he's the fourth

overall pick in the NFL Draft. Somewhere those coaches are in there saying, Wow, maybe he was right, Maybe we should have moved in toight end. Yeah. Probably, Oh that's bad. All right. Cincinnati's on the clock, the Bengals at five. You talked about crossroads with Atlanta. I mean, here's the

ultimate crossroads. And the next four picks are going to go a certain direction based off of what Cincinnati does here, because the Bengals at five, Dolphins at six, Detroit at seven, and then you've got the Carolina Panthers at eight, nine, the Broncos, and then of course the Cowboys picking at ten. But the pick is about to be in here for Cincinnati. How are they going to help out your fellow Joe Burrow?

I don't really think they can go wrong. And I've said before, you know, protecting Joe, you know, it doesn't matter who he's throwing too. If he's on the ground all the time, I would probably draft Pinney Sewell. But they pick again at thirty eight. I believe there. You know there will be a tackle there at thirty eight and you know everything you hear. But on this draft classes, regardless of how deep it is, your top three receivers

are different. And I doubt it is being ignored in the Bengals front office that Jamar Chase won the bullet nikoff with Joe Burrow, So I don't really think they can go wrong. If you're a Cowboy fan, you probably want them to take Chase because that pushes a guy you would consider drafting down the board. Yeah, like Piney Sewell going here would be that would be the first of the Cowboy related names to go off the board.

And it also might take a chance or that jayal and Waddle is off the board as well, because if you're Miami sitting at six, you want a pass catcher to go help out to h you want to maybe look at one of those guys you could go offensive line.

If I was Duke tob And, I would probably draft Pinay Sewell, but I cannot blame them if they draft Jamar Chase, and I think it's probably better for the Cowboys if they do ye ten years ago this weekend, they drafted aj Green in the first round but four overall, so you know, you could see them doing that again. They need to replace over one hundred targets that Aja Green had this year. They're really missing that downfield threat in that offense. So it is not hard to talk

yourself into Jamar Chase here. Yeah, And I talk to someone who's close to the citciinat Bengals yesterday and he said he thinks they're leaning Chase because quite frankly, that they still thought Seul was a developing guy, and they really like what they have on the offensive line. They like Joanah Williams. They think they have their tack, they

think they're set there. So unless they're going to draft Seul to play guard, and that's a that's kind of a strange thing to do it five Now, I'm a fan of the Bengals ability to if Joe Burrow is healthy, and what you can do with Higgins and what you can do with Tyler Boyd, and I think I would almost want a shiftier guy, even though Chase is my number one wide receiver. I think a better fit might be someone who can go win a little bit in the slot when Devade Smith, or someone a little more

fun like Jalen Waddle. But now it seems like they've been pretty dead set on Chase or Suel for a long time, and it feels like Chase is the direction they'll probably go. I'm trying not to let my like LSU homerism jump out of me right now, but well, here I can do it for you. How about how about this? I can do it for you. And the reason why is because you have your LSU Homerism producing the top wide receiver in rookie in FL history and

justin Jefferson last year. And of course he was even an afterthought of how good Jamar Chase was on that LSU championship team. I mean, people forget just how good Jamar Chase was. At the risk of sounding like a Homer, I think the entire football world is asleep on how good Jamar Chase really was. Unbelievable. He's a bully down the field. He's gonna beat you for a jump ball. He can play in the slot, by the way, he can house it from sixty seventy yards away from the slot.

Granted that was college football as opposed to pro. But the point is he you know, he doesn't have the speed that Jayalen Wattle does because nobody in the world does. But Jamar Chase can do it all. Don't they have? Don't they have Thaddius Mosson said Sinnatti two. I don't even I mean, yes, they just signed him that after. I know, I'm just saying, maybe they'd pick up Terris Marshall in round two. You just loaded up get the band. That was a good team. You know was on that team?

Tyler Shelvin, I love you know, we're sitting here, we're talking about Aaron Rodgers being unhappy with Green Bay because they won't help him. And in year two, the Bengals are like, you want your college receiver. Yeah, we'll get you your college receiver. So Goodell is at the stand and with the fifth pick in the NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select wide receiver Jamar Chase out of LSU. What What I Say on the Draft show said Jamar Chase was the only pick in the top ten outside

of the top two that I felt confident about. Uh, that it's just a very Bengals pick to go Jamar Chase here, and I get it. I understand it. Uh, they're a better team right now because of him. I think you know your point is right. The people do forget how dominant he was. And it's what I love most about him is he wins in so many different ways. He can win with athleticism, he win with power, he could at my ball. Mentality that he offers is outstanding.

He is going to be come in and be that alpha for the Bengals offense, going to give them a downfield threat, going to help them over the middle of the field. He has a chance to be a game changer. And I mean we aren't allowed to play lay any of the video or the audio from the NFL Draft and from the NFL Draft coverage, but I will say you can go watch it, and we're supposed to promote it. But my goodness, his suit right now is just straight fire. Oh yeah, he's got like photos from his career and

his family. Yeah, it's believe it's Oh he just the outside he did gritty. How about that? Does that make you happy? Oh? I'm I mean, are you exstatic? Right now? I would have drafted I probably would have drafted Pine sul But like the best team in LSU history, like memories that I'll have with me forever, and now I get to watch Joe throw it to him again, like it's and by the way, we got to see him do it first. I get that. But like the Bengals are in content, like that's one of the best trios

of receivers in the league. Maybe not not quite as good as what's here in Dallas, and Tampa's got something to say about that as well. But Tee Higgins, Tyler

Boyd and Jamar Chase, that's filthy. That's really filthy. You know, you talk about players and and forgive me if this was brought up a second ago, but a J. Terrell and t On Digs two guys that he gave a lot of problems to in twenty you know, I mean he torched both of those guys a first and second round picking and just everything he's He's prototypical wide receiver, one man that's what you want, um winning in multiple ways.

The attitude that he plays with, you know, you see that catching the ball with his hands, you know, plucking it out of the air and there's so much to like about the way he plays. Another significant factor of this specific pick. But I mean, this is the first straight up to opt out that we've had in the

twenty twenty draft. Taking right, I mean t Trey Lance didn't play a whole lot of games, but he wasn't an opt out for specific I mean, you're right, he did play a game, yeah, but he wasn't He didn't opt out of the season he played in twenty twenty. Jamar Chase is the first straight opt out who said I'm not playing football in the COVID nineteen era. This is the first one off the board. I mean, there's a couple of them that are set to come up soon or Sean's later pin a. Jac Horne is in

that conversation Michael Parsons. Damn near every photo and video clip of Jamar Chase that they use is from that Clemson game because that's how dominant he He did whatever he wanted to. It's pretty impressive. Now it feels like Miami on the clock. They pick at six. They also pick at eighteen, but it feels like pass catcher on their mind again, you know, as they traded back into

six after after leaving three to go to twelve. Then they traded at the Eagles to get up to six to come back in and get a pass catcher most likely UM. At least that's what what well we've been mocking at least when we've been talking. Why not just keep keep the reunion train going, you know, send Honestly, either one of them, DeVante Smith or Jalen Waddle in Miami would be a ton of fun. Who do you think they would like out of the two? Dane Wattle, Wattle, Yeah, Waddles.

Most teams that I talked to have Waddle as a second receiver in this draft. UM. Some like Smith, but Waddle just he's different with the athleticism to speed, um the way he progressed this year, like he's as a route runner, as a guy that'll play above the rim a little bit. Uh. Jayleen Waddle to me is a difference maker. And there's nothing against Vante Smith, but I think Jaylen Waddle is just a little bit different. So

I do think Waddle is the pick here. And now Penny Swell being there is interesting with you know, a need at right tackle. Could they go in that direction? It's possible, can't rub Penny Sewell here, but I think jayld Waddle, that's that's they've been looking for that pass catcher. They've been looking for that weapon, and you know, reunite him with Tuah. I mean, that's really don't want to help too as much as they possibly can. Reuniting to a with a target like that, a weapon like that,

it makes too much sense. Have you heard anything about Waddle's injury affecting his stock, because that's which it was a good question. It was a pretty brutal injury I saw working out, but we really haven't been talking about it. I think that's a testament to how dynamic he is. But I am I'm curious because yeah, I mean, sixth overall for a guy who lost half of his season to a pretty gnarly injury. This is a fun little stat.

It really has no legitimate hold on what Miami's going to do here, but between both wide receivers, I'll throw Jalen Waddle and DeVante Smith into that category with Alabama, along with pitt A Seul as probably the other top player on the board. Miami six of their last nine first round picks in the draft, and all of their picks in the top ten have come from the SEC best conference in America. So no offense. I mean you should probably say that about behalf of the organizations in

the NFL. But pass catchers, more pass catchers going. It's leaving your offensive linemen and cornerbacks. This is perfect everything. I mean obvious. You know, if you were still holding onto the Kyle Pitts pipe dream, I'm sorry, but really this is about as close to ideal as you could ask for for the Cowboys so far. Which but we knew,

we kind of we saw all this coming. Maybe there would have been maybe, you know, maybe since draft tool, but it's always been seventh through nine that should scare you, and we'll take a look in. I had the war room coming up after the pick is announced, because I mean, right around seven is where you start getting worried about your players that are on your board. That's I'm going

off the board. I was just thinking about this to myself, like I'm having fun right now when when Miami's when Miami's done making the pick, I'm not having fun anything. It's starting now. I'm like, I think it's real. Who are the picks? What's going on? How many of my guys are left because we're gonna we're gonna lose somebody, especialbody's gonna go, especially with Detroit at seven coming up,

and they well, here's the here's the commissioner. In the voice of Kyle, I was gonna say, like, we keep we keep thinking we have to cut away because that it's just me talking about it. So with the six pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select wide receiver Jalen Waddle out of Alabama. So they did go pass catcher, and they did indeed go with Waddle over the Heisman Trophy winner and Davante Smith,

who is still on the board. They love Waddle, and I kind of wish that Pennisul might have won five just to see which way the Dolphins would have winn At six. They might have taken Waddle over Chase. That's how much they loved Waddle. So it's this is and again the connection between TWA and Waddle. You cannot ignore

that as part of the reasoning. Year. Uh, He's just a big play weapon that I think is going to, you know, really change how they play offense in Miami average nineteen yards per catch in college twelve yards after the catch. In twenty nineteen, you just get the ball in his hands and let him go. See if they remember the old thing we used to talk about around here. Hey,

are they gonna let Dez Bryant return bunts? Remember that whole conversation from a decade ago, same same thing might be a yeah, steam might be happening there as well, because he's an excellent punt returner as well. Dangerous at all times. Man. That's uh. If if um Bounty is the best toilet paper and that's Tyreek Hill, then he's brawny, you know. Well, I mean this is this is this is a stud. This is a stud, and it's a it's fun, It's really fun. And it also tells you

they're all in on tua you know again. Justin fields still out there, you know, And that's another thing. To two offensive lineman, two cornerbacks and then two quarterbacks. That's we need for you. We just need somebody to want a quarterback. And that's the biggest thing right now is because fields and mac jones are still available. We all want to do what you'll want to take corner? You want to move back? What do you want to do? I'm thinking specifically with the Cowboys. But who's trading up

right now? Who's on the phone, duh Bears the Patriots? What about what about you know is Teddy Teddy Bridgewater? If if the Broncos, if the Broncos like justin Fields Teddy Bridgewater, shouldn't stop them from doing anything. No, obviously, you know, we'll see what happens with this Aaron Rodgers circus show looking at dead money and stuff too, and

that Aaron Rodgers thing. That trade would not need to happen till after June second, because the Packers would take a forty million dollar cap hit if it happened before June two. If it happens after June two, they they can divide it over two years. But we're talking about a team who has two million dollars of cap space. So this this Rogers trade, I don't think it is happening, okay tonight, which put it that way, and if you're just looking at the money on it, it just doesn't

make sense for that to happen. It doesn't sound smart to put off drafting a franchise quarterback because of a trade that maybe has a fifteen percent chance of happening. They have it, Jordan Love, what do you think here for Detroit? Dane there's this has been a polkind of what I'm thinking too. I mean, you know they have Taylor Decker left tackle, Sewell steps in as your right tackle. I think it makes a lot of sense, both from

a talent and value perspective. But I'm just watching that little logo in the corner scene if it's it's gonna switch right, yeah, yeah, Why would pit a Sewel be such a easy fit here for Detroit? I mean because they're just traded for Jared Goff, you could add a you could add DeVante Smith here and going to run a wide receivers. They're a couple of years away. I don't think they're I think they know that this is

a long term rebuild. So doing it with an offensive tackle who's twenty years old, I think to me that just fits the timeline of when the Lions think they're going to be back as contenders. I like that. Actually, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. You can't go wrong, and you know it's a it's a new coach, a new front office, like, you can't go wrong starting in the trenches. That's what Dallas did

with Jason Garrett. They drafted Tyrn Smith ninth. Overall, it's I mean, unless you're getting a quarterback, which you know, I'll see what Jared Goff can do. That's true. That's the things you know. I was a golf fan for a long time. Yeah, but that's another thing where I just think if you're at seven, I would probably say the same thing about the Panthers at eight with Sam Darnold. Why would it hurt you to take justin fields and just find out. I just here's here's my counter. Here's

my counter. There's there's a quarterback you will love every year. Like nobody knew who Zack Wilson was last year, it's a point nobody knew who Joe Burrow was. You draft Pinney Sewell, you anchor that line, and you know, if Jared Goff sucks, you can do this again next year with whoever the hot shot is. I mean, you never go wrong drafting a quarterback. But I can see what I'm sure I'm saying. It's never a bad idea. I should say, right, yeah, you could go wrong if you

don't have a quarterback, throw darts until you hit. Yeah, I think that's but they do technically have one right now, So I don't I don't hate this decision, right Dane Pinney Soul's the top player on your board? Did you have Lawrence Pitts, Wilson Chase then Seul? So, I mean he was even above Lance and Waddle, who are off

the board. So does that add a little bit into maybe what the Lions are thinking in their war room at the moment of thinking about, hey, this is a this is this is going to be the pick and Pitney Soul Well, I mean, obviously, you know the Lions have their own board, and who knows where Sewell is on their own board. But I just think when you look at this team and it's a brand new regime. So we've got a first year head coach, we've got a first year general manager. We don't have a track

record to go on. They're rebuilding this thing from the ground up. Basically, they've got a lot of holes and so when you're picking top seven, you need to come away with an impact player. And so Davante Smith, sure,

I could understand that argument. Justin Fields, I could und stand in argument, But I think Penna Sul for the timeline they're working with the talent the value here and I got I just keep coming back to he's twenty years old, and you know when you think about what he's gonna give, you immediately mean he's he's going to sign a second contract when he's twenty four years old, pretty much. I mean here, they're just a very bright future for him. And so you know, Taylor Decker's he's

he's still pretty young. They could really have an interesting pair of offensive tackle bookends for whoever is that quarterback. So we're taking a look inside the draft room of the Lions, and I mean literal jumping up and down. I mean, you talk about it. There was no excitement from Trey Lance out of the San Francisco forty nine ers war room, but it was quite the opposite for Detroit whoever they selected here in the next couple of moments, I mean, they are just absolutely over the moon about

selecting this guy with the seventh overall pick. By the way, we were going to take a look into our our war room. I guess we could go ahead and take a look in there. I was told that maybe everybody walked doubt. So there's not a whole lot going on in that war room, so we're actually gonna wait to go in there. There's not a whole lot going on. There's a lot of empty chairs, at least at this very moment. I don't know if that necessarily means anything

that's interesting. It makes that makes me think. I mean, look, you know the time of this works. There's the official pick from the Commissioner Intelligence, pen a school from Oregon. But knowing the timeline of these picks, how when it happens on TV, it's already happened, you know, the league, the teams themselves are this five minutes ahead of the media. Feels very trade ish interesting. I mean, if if nothing's going on in there, I'm just saying that it feels

and maybe it's not. Maybe they're just figuring stuff something out. I don't know, but it feels like that there would be people in the room right now. It doesn't. This is about the time you We're getting close to the time where you'd be making the call. Yeah, Dallas is getting close to actually being on the clock. As weird as that sounds, it just just in case nobody heard it. We said it a moment ago. But Pena sol offensive tackle out of Oregon is the pick and he is

going number seven overall all to the Detroit Lions. But I mean we talked about how good of a player he is. That's one of those tackles off the board for Dallas. And even though he wasn't necessarily v tackle that Dallas thought they would have on the board at ten, he's one of the players that if they were to fall to ten, you would act to consider him. So, now that there's one off the board, Rashaan Slater's next

up in that category. You still have both cornerbacks. You have the Carolina Panthers on the clock here, followed by the Denver Broncos. Then you're here with the Cowboys. Is this where we see our first trade? Maybe with both quarterbacks also being there. Maybe. I mean, I was gonna say, spare me, spare me your disdain if you don't like any of these guys, but like guys that we know,

the Cowboys like, they're guaranteed to have somebody, right. I mean, I think right now you're seeing the dream of Michael Parson, And by dream, I mean for a lot of people who would be a nightmare, which is sad to say, because Michael Parson is a really good player. But you're saying you're seeing that possibility slip away, slip away, Yeah, which is good for most people. But regardless, I mean

regardless of what happens in these next two picks. Like, we know they like Slater obviously, we know they love the corners, and we know they like Parsons. Mathematically, one of them has to be there unless they're trading out of the pick, which we wouldn't see that for a while. Anyway, let's let's try to narrow down the Panthers re question. So I think this is the toughest. I mean, I you know, three we knew as a quarterback. At least we didn't know which one. I don't think we've been

surprised yet, to be honest with you. Um, Like, so far my mock draft, the only one I got wrong is Mac I had of my three, Um, but I got in every single pick right so far? Akin, are we surprised that? I'm just saying, like, I don't think we've been surprised yet. Like, I don't think that, But I think Carolina is where we could be surprised. It could be a trade back, this could be a corner, This could be Slater, Who did you have? Could be

just that fields JC Horn? I had eight. I have developed a healthy hatred for the Panthers over the last like month and a half because just because well they just they need everything that Dallas needs. And they're sitting there and they're like trying to like they're shopping the pick, but they're not shopping the pick. They love Horn, they love Certan, they love Tackles, Just like, are you gonna

leave anything for me to think about this? If Horn goes at eight, Denver at nine could take Certan And we've been talking about the Aaron Rodgers roomor but I think that's I think that's good to go to sleep for the night. What if the Broncos took Certan? And then that would explain? And I don't know. I haven't looked inside the Cowboy's war room. I don't have that. But if there's nothing going on in there that tells me, I'm just I'm just putting playing detective here. I truly

don't know. We're trading back here? Is that what's happening? Are you sitting there? You're taking Slater? Are you taking trading back? Wouldn't they be in the room? I guess, but I wouldn't they be in the room if they were calling a player. Theoretically, yeah, yet it's so hard to guess. I mean, the just entertaining Katie, I'm having fun.

If they were watching the draft show, if they traded back and the trade has already agreed, they're like, Okay, we won't be on the clock for another forty five minutes. Let's go grab some dinner or go to the bathroom or whatever. We're okay, now, I see what you're saying. But you think that they I don't think they'd agree to a trade this early, do you know? Although I don't know, but I guess. The thing that makes and it's weird to talk about is like they're ahead of us, Like, sure,

they're eight to ten minutes, So it's weird. I don't know. I'm gonna assume that nothing crazy is happening yet, Okay, I should calm down. I should calm down, and I will. We I think we would say the four guys that we think they like the most are still there. So I woke up with the hunch that the two cornerbacks

they want and we're not going to be there. Yeah, people, there's been smoke about that for two days at this point, and now I'm just like, like, I'm angry at Carolina because I feel like they could be responsible for this happening in the first place. So the pick is in for Carolina, just to run down the board that we have so far. Trevor Lawrence was the first overall pick.

Zach Wilson was second to the Jets. The four nine Ers in their Crossroads went with Trey Lance instead of Mac Jones, so both Justin Fields and Mac Jones are on the table. In terms of the quarterback position, Kyle Pitts went fourth overall, the highest a tight end has ever gone in the NFL Draft. The Bengals went with Jamar Chase at five, Jalen Waddle at six, back to back wide receivers, and then Pinney Sewell went to the Lions at seven. So the Panthers are on the clock here.

The pick is in. I mean, so no trade here, Dane Well, Okay, So I mean Slater Fields or Horn Oh goodness, are we gonna lose a guy here today? If they're gonna whatever they do is going to listen. I mean, right now, it's gonna be Slater or a corner. I woke up and read Dane's mock draft this morning, and he had jac Horne at eight, and that's who I mocked on mine. I had a lot of Panther fans are gamecock fans s could they go with the

local guy and Jac Horn? I mean, that's not why they're drafting him, but it's a nice wool he's from from down the road. I mean, Carolina is in North Carolina, not South Carolina, I guess, but there Carolina. Actually, fun fun tidbit, the shape of the Panther is meant to look like North and South Carolina combined. I tweeted this out a couple of days ago that we don't encourage betting, but JC Horne the first defender off the board at plus like whatever was eight hundred or something. That was

pretty appealing. Oh man, very very appealing. By the way, it's been a long time since a player has fallen past eight in the NFL draft. The last player to fall past eight in the NFL draft was nineteen fifty seven, when the Chicago car excuse me, yes, the defensive player took Jerry Tubbs at number ten, who was, by the way, one of the first linebackers for the Dallas Cowboys. Oh, I just don't even want to see this name. Roger

Goodell at the board, want to see it. Eighth overall pick in the NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers select cornerback JC Horn out of South Carolina. One of the corners are off the board, and one of the thoughts was he could potentially go this early and not be there for the Cowboys, and that is exactly what happened. That's one of those picks where you feel like you don't have to say much about the guy because we've been

talking about him for two months. Yep. Like specifically good pick, though, I mean, especially with what they're trying to do with Matt Rule, who's a big fan of quote unquote building a program, you know, almost kind of treating the NFL team like a college and everything you hear about Horn is true leader and all that stuff that we've been talking about for a long time now. That game against Auburn was some really really good take And I'm not a huge on Seth Williams, but he wore Seth Williams

out that game. There's a lot of fun to watch. By the way, three straight opt outs going or excuse me if three of the last four picks have been opt outs Chase seul Horn, so at least when we talked about weighing opt outs of the twenty twenty season in how these front officers are looking at it early on, that looks like it doesn't have a whole lot of wait added to it. But man, this one hurts a

little bit to see him off the board. Dane. He's a good player, and I think this is this is a coach's pick, and we know Matt Rule probably has the final voice there in Carolina. You know a guy that just to compete skills or off the charts. He tested like a big time athlete, and we know he has the bloodlines. So you know a lot of signs are pointing here. That's why I went there in my

mock drafted. It just made a lot of sense. I think, which everything you just said about him in Carolina is why in a perfect world, I think he would have been the pick here. And I think it would have been the coaches driving that, like from everything I've heard. Again, you know Sean Lee just retired, Tyron Crawford just retired. You know, there's there's a little bit of a leadership vacuum on this defense. And I think that's why J. C. Horne was so appealing to them. And you know that's

not a knock on Patrick's or Tan. I think you know now that if they didn't trade out of this pick, which I guess we're going to find out soon, I would imagine, like I think they would feel just fine drafting Certan, but Horn just had a little bit of an edge. Horn the bearcage. Now, boys, this is this is where things get get all heated is a movie from the nineteen ninety six hit movie Twister. Could Justin

Fields be here? Wow? If I'm why not? I love Denver making that pick and you can figure everything out, you know, And then if you're the Cowboys, you sit and take Certan at Tina Tan at nine though. That's that's where I think it's and depending on what you want. I'm so confident in getting a good cornerback in the second round. See that's how I feel about linebacker. Like tomorrow night, if you like, we could go after chap Real Cox, we could go after Baron Browning. Um, who

I know, I'm forgetting somebody forgive me. But like there's there's a lot Bolton perhaps, who knows how long Zaven Collins is going to be on the board, like No One, yeah, and jam and Davis. I think we'll go before forty four. But I mean it's not going to be insane. I

mean we've talked about this. Once you get past pick thirteen or fourteen, it opens up to a spot to where it's not crazy when wild things start happening, of course, and I think we said at the top of the show before the draft started that we expect it's going to be wild, because you know, these teams have such different opinions. But I and this is this is flawed

logic to a degree. But I just think we talked about this on our Building the Board series, like I got a good look at what a second round starting cornerback looks like in Trayvon Diggs last year, and he had a promising rookie season. But I think there's some drop off. So there is a little bit of rumor going around right now. From what I've seen, Philly is apparently trying to take this pick from Denver and jump from twelve. There's been probably for Patrick, so it could

Denver trade out of this pick. That's that's one thing. Could they take Michael Parsons with this pick? Could they go with Justin Fields? If they go down to twelve, they have options if if Denver really wants to make a trade for Aaron Rodgers at any time in the future, like it's been rumored, they might do well to get out, move back and get as many picks as they can. Take a lot of things that make a lot of sense here. If you can trade for Rogers, that's fine.

And I was going to say, like, why on earth would Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Locke stop you from just drafting Justin Fields? And let's you know, if you can get the best quarterback if they like Fields, Yeah, what's not what's not like about Justin Fields? Plane picked number nine and I'm still there. Can you make it make sense to me? I mean, he's a little methodical with his process and that's and that's why he was my fourth quarterback. But what I still draft from top ten? Yeah,

he was my eighth overall player. So at this point, yeah, Teddy Bridgewater Drew locked and not stopping me from from going there. That's it goes like I've been saying this for weeks about certain I feel like you just have pick fatigue and you're looking for reasons to not like a guy. That's how I feel about justin fields. It's kind of how we thought about Patrick's utan. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's he was. I went back and looked at my board and from August and I had Lawrence one,

Trey Lance six, and Field seven. So I mean, I don't think he was the clear cut number two guy all along. But I do understand what you're saying, though, because it's we seem to do that with quarterbacks and then the guys at the top. I like Trey Lance a lot, and I especially if he doesn't have to play right away. That's a wonderful situation. But it's still wild to me that everybody's like, yeah, third, overall, that makes sense. Guy who's only played five games in his

life in the FCS. And then the dude who came in and just carried Ohio State on his back and like forced them to have a season and got killed in the semifinals and got up and won the game, and they're just like, ah, I don't know, not sold on you about hanging out in the war room happening now? So it is proof that I did get overly excited about ten minutes ago, and I'd like to apologize. Hey, we're so this is live radio room hanging out. This

is good. Also terrifying to me because if Denver either takes Ertan or they trade out of that pick and Philly wants to go up and get Patrick Curtan. I mean, right now, you look at the Cowboys situation, you're thinking Cirtan or Parsons, right, or Slater you could throw us later in there. But we've seen nothing over the last couple of weeks that even indicates that they're interested in offensive tackle. So it's certain or Parsons. I think for the most part here there's a pretty good chance it's

one of those two guys at ten. It looks like Denver's pick is in. It could switch. They were trying to get the hell out of there. It looks like it. It looks like they were trying to get there. On the phone. They went all the way down to thirty seconds. Goodness, look in the war room, all right, Well, hey, how you guys feeling everyone feeling? I feel better now that the Eagles logos. I feel better knowing that Philly didn't

just steal the guy that you probably want. And even if Denver does, rather Denver do it than Philly, I mean, that's just pettiness. But what that is pettiness? You think about how petty it would be for Philadelphia to even trade back up and make that they did it. They did it two years ago for Dallas gotter or three however many years ago that was they they're capable. But

this is in the top ten. This is a little bit at extra I'm relieved, Let's put it that way, unless it switches here in about thirty seconds and then we'll have some other issue. Hold on to your butts, boys. Oh no, so oh no, no, no trades yet, no trade yet, Oh goodness, no trades at all. But even there, I mean even here, Denver could takes her tan. Yeah, absolutely, we've been talking about it. Well, we definitely a candidate

to take to t takes her tan. So this is this is Does this just feel like this is taking forty five minutes for this final pick? This Denver in Carolina feels like it took longer than all of the picks before A plan and a Plan C and a Plan D two. I have a bad gut feeling, I really do. I don't think they're gonna take him. I think they're gonna trade for Ian Rodgers. And June Stephen is on the phone right now by the way in the war room. You can see that in the top

left hand corner. And that didn't last long. He hung up pretty quick. So the pick from Roger Goodell ninth overall pick to pick before the Cowboys, that ver Broncos select Patrick's Patrick's r Tan cornerback out of Alabama. Wow. So just when we thought things were working out through the first seven picks for the Cowboys, eight and nine go worst case scenario for a team searching after a corner.

What do you do now it's Rashaan Slater, it's Patrick, or excuse me, it's Michael Parsons, or it's trade out of that pick and maybe go back to fifteen. The quarterbacks are still there. What a difference a year makes, Like you know, one year after everything breaks your way that this happens too, you can, I mean wiped out is not fair. This picks a little surprising when you consider what the Broncos did in the offseason with Kyle

Fuller Um. You know, just it looked like they kind of were you know, they signed Ronald Darby, seemed like they were kind of set at corner. So interesting that they went their ten here best player on their board. Maybe at the time, maybe they did something like that. I'm sure that's probably what it was. Having badass corners helped them win a Super Bowl as well. Now we've talked about it, we would be hypocrites. We said, you're at ten, you're going to get a good player in

this draft, all right. So but to me, there's a clear delineation between the good players right here and then who's just a little further back. And to me, Slater is by far the top player on my board, and it's not close unless you want them up in justin fields, that's Rashawn Slater. And if it's not Rashawn Slater, me as GM Kevin and getting the heck out of there if I can. And it looks like that's something that could be a possibility. I've heard that Philly's a potent

chill at twelve Dallas trading with Philly. That's what it looks like. There's a potential try to get ahead of the Giants for Davonte Smith. Maybe I mean with hey, they're going into the division anyways, the next three picks are in the nfcast. I mean they could trade to twenty if they wanted to. Well, I mean the thing is is you don't trade, not if they wanted to.

You gotta have a willing get pinner. Well, you don't trade with others in your division because you're helping the theoretically, but if you think that Devonte Smith's going to eleven to the Giants anyways, yeah that's true. It doesn't really matter. And the other thing to have some tan to cover Devonte Smith, Yeah, it would be Yeah, that's a that's a dream. We can't look in the review mirror. You're more able to look ahead. Dallas. Dallas traded with Philly

just last year for Tyler Battish. But big difference between day three and pick ten. The Cowboys are officially on the clock, though of course presented by Miller Lite. And we will be toasting this pick if the Cowboys make the pick, for we've got cold beers somewhere. I gotta go get them actually in a minute, so I may have too that of this chair here in a second. But I mean, Dane, what would you do here Slaters there later, I think I would do Slater as well.

Parsons is there though, And of course, Dave, we've already talked about how much they think that they enjoy Parsons there. Yeah, if you if you made me guess right now, and we'll find out very quickly. But if they make this pick, I think they would pick Parsons. I would probably pick Slater. But again that and I know less about what they think than I ever have because of all this COVID stuff,

Like I'm just being honest with you. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, in a normal year it's much easier to fact find and so I'm not completely flying in the dark, but you're going on a lot less information than usual. And I I put it this way, I think I think they have a higher grade on Parsons, but I wonder if that's enough to win out. Would their thing on Slaters They would think Slaters a guard and they think

for the time, which I have No. I mean, look, you play left guard and you figure it out, right, I mean no, I'm TV exactly like this is not a problem for me. And now we got like I'm just are so good Dallas athletic doctor says Dallas is likely to trade out of ten. By the way, I think they just did well, it looks like they did. Haven't done it since twenty thirteen, so at least from what I'm looking at. So are they are? They just hope?

So okay, they're just hoping like somebody's gonna make this decision for them, because honestly, if they're only trading back, that's what it looks like. If they're only trading back to twelve, they're the Eagles are trading up with the Cowboys. There we go, yep, and they got pick eighty four.

It looks like this is DeVante Smith right boom. Obviously you make this trade to get them for the Giants on the trade chart that's you know, different for a lot of teams, but it's about one hundred point difference. If you were going to eighty four, that's about one hundred and seventy points. You won the trade by seventy points. Boys, we've got four picks tomorrow you can get and you're gonna get Slater or Jeff cavanat some traded down riding

boys down rides silver lining here, that's a huge silver lining. Oh, that's that's incredible, honestly, and this sounds so dumb to say, but even if they draft Parsons, I'll be much happier knowing that I got an extra top one hundred. I think I'm there too, Like is that Dane? Is that dumb? Am I stupid? Oh not at all? Slater might still be there at their deer well, sure, and I think that's my gun. My gut is just that they would draft Parsons over Slater. So eighty four in the third round.

So now you have three third round picks, you have seventy five, eighty four, ninety nine at with Philadelphia, they take that selection. That's a pick that Philadelphia didn't own

in the first place. They got that from Indianapolis in the Carson Wentz trade, So it was a pick that was already dealt from Indianapolis to Philadelphia, and then they turned around and dealt it to the Cowboys to move up two slots, jump in front of the Giants and make the selection attend the Cowboys now pick at twelve. Am I just a completely sick individual, Like I don't care anymore, don't I don't. I don't care about the first round anymore. Like pick the player he'll be good,

and we got four picks to work with tomorrow. You Kidney, you gotta see what they do at twelve though pick he already knows it's with Parsons, like his mind. I like Parsons so much more knowing that I have an extra pick to address my other problems. You did say it earlier, though, you said, man, going down to twenty would be a lot. You didn't go down to twenty. You went two picks down. You did pick that guy. I got an extra pick. Yeah, you gotta care about twelve.

No I care. I'm just saying, like you said, you don't care. The pressure is off. The pressure is off for me. Like they did a smart thing. They added an extra player or an extra pick. I should say, um, and they'll get a good player. Like maybe you don't like Parsons as much as you like Slater, but maybe you'll love the guy they pick with number eighty four. There's a good chance you're going to get the same guy at twelve that you wanted to get. It to

have a strange obsession with Day two picks. They are my favorite picks in the draft. Just doing trade Jart math here eighty four and ninety nine. If you piece them together, they could get you up to sixty five, So you could go sixty five seventy five. Are trying to get rid of my picks? Well, no, I'm just saying this allows you to do some things, and it gives you a little more, like a little action. If someone falls to you, you feel like you need to make a jump and go get someone to get a

little more. Ammo. The Cowboys now have the most picks in the draft. Hey, now with eleven. The Eagles did have the most picks until this trade. In your face, Philly, Yeah, that's true. We do have a lot. The only blumber about this is that we don't get to drink our beer yet. No, I know, we gotta wait a couple We can wait fifty more minutes. It's fine, it's fair, I mean all right. So we're thinking this tends to be DeVante Smith, right, I mean, to get unless what

quity you would have to Quity pay. They made this move to get ahead of the Giants, so it would be DeVante Smith right. Course later Quity pay. I had Quity pay going to the Giants at eleven in my mock, So I think that's the possibility. I think DeVante Smith though, that you gotta help Jalen Hurts. Tuah got reunited with Jalen Waddle, the Eagles reunite Jalen Hurts, but Davante Smith make it happen. I'm telling everyone I know there's a lot of people panicking. There are some really good second

round corners. So don't let this, don't let this certain horn thing eat at you, because that's been the narrative far too long. Cirtan or horn, cirtan or horn. There are some really good cornerbacks. Mister Jave's not ready to hear it right now. What's no? I mean it would I have preferred to get a corner at ten, of course, but no, there are really good players. I mean, I've been talking about Tyson Campbell since January, which I mean, but the fun thing is, like, we'll see if he

even lastsed tomorrow night. I don't know. I don't know what to expect. I'm frazzled. I'm just really worried that one of the guys on the Dallas Star official draft magazine is not going to be picked. One of the guys off the cover, and I'm gonna be upset about it. I mean, I guess later in Parsons are still there, so we're still pretty good. We're in good shape, are you talking about at this point? I'd be surprised if one of them isn't the pick. I'm a little down, Dave.

I don't want to jac Horn or Patrick stan Hey, buddy, you got Cede Lamb last year. You think you're gonna be you weren't here. You weren't here on Taco night. You want to That's true, You're not always I wasn't here. I was left to carry that banner. I mean, I'm still paying for it to this day. I would I was like, yay and Brian and Dane are just like staring at the wall, depressing. You're not always like you. You're not gonna get exactly what you want every year.

You're just not It's part of the fun of the draft. Well, and you know, you could argue you're almost rather miss out on a player, uh and still get like a plan B as opposed to a player you just you didn't want at all. Yeah, Taco And although which going back to what we talked about at the top, Parsons is that guy for a lot of people like a lot of people are just out on him. Yeah, I'm

not completely there, but I understand the disappointment. The big time run on pass catchers early has really helped the Cowboys out. I mean that is that is because there hasn't been a lot of years. You have to go back to John Ross and uh the Kevin White year. Wow, you know where things were going. Top ten pass catchers, like a bunch of them. I mean, four of the top pass catchers in the top ten has really build the Cowboys out so where they can still get a

player that they like. And there could be another pass catcher coming up here with Philadelphia as well, if it is in fact DeVante Smith that they go for. Roger Goodell is back at the stand and the Eagles are on the clock, or excuse me to pick us in for the Eagles. With a tenth overall selection in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles, after trading with the Dallas Cowboys, selects it is Smith, Heisman Trophy winner,

all three of them reunited with their former quarterbacks. Wow, I didn't even think about How about that? That's that's fascinating. Wow, that's pretty impressive. Now, Okay, well who which which? I guess mac Jones only played one year in the in the Alabama system. I was gonna say, who else is he going to be playing with? But if he's picked tomorrow the tight end, Yeah, that's what do we think about? DeVante Smith is now the Cowboys are going to see him twice a year, and well we allow the Eagles

to take that selection because we traded back. I thought he was an ideal fit for Jalen Hurts, to be honest, a guy who can go. You know what I like about Davonte Smith. I know other questions about his size, but the way that he does win over the middle of the field and has shown that he's not really scared to go over the field and does a good job of contorting his body to not take a lot of big hits on that you know, kind of wiry frame. Obviously we've seen him when downfield and things like that.

But you know, to me, he's a good safety. Then I think he understands his own coverages, when to sit down and things like that, So I think I think it's a good I know I'm one of those guys who doesn't think Jalen Hurts is a franchise quarterback. But I think that's that's a really good helping piece for Philadelphia. Is there any any place or anybody here that thinks Jalen Hurts is a franchise quarterback in Philly. Anybody's sitting

at this table. I don't think so. But I don't think so, which is but this helps you in that regard. But also if you find one down the road, listen, nobody wants to hear good words about the Eagles on this broadcast. I gotta trade. Oh no, no, Chicago is trading up to eleven? Wow Duns? Maybe Mac Jones or is there any possibility of Mac? Sure, you can't rule that out going back, which and that's obviously noteworthy, but Philly already made their hey to address quarterback for next year.

In my opinion, I think this is a great I don't care what they said about Joe Flacco competing for the job. This is an audition year for Jalen Hurts, and now they have an extra one in the arsenal next year to get the quarterback that they need if they feel like they need to, which is very smart in their I mean, yeah, I know you don't like to go out of your way to say nice things about the Eagles, but I mean they played this well,

that was smart draft. And yeah, if they draft a quarterback next year, he'll have Davontae Smith waiting for He's got the same wingspan as last year six foot six wide receiver from Texas Colin Johnson, So I mean play is a little bigger than he is. But here's the thing. We talked about. Only two players over six feet tall who are under one hundred and eighty pounds over the last ten years. That is Paul Richardson and Snoop Menace. Uh.

He blows those guys out of the water. Um. This trade is interesting though the Cowboys if it is for a quarterback like we would assume, which because eleven you still have that Parsons or Slater or is there some guy that we're not talking about or should we be a quitty pay Should we be talking Jalen Phillips, Should we be talking about a I think it's down the Slater in Parsons here, I really do. I like, I mean,

that's just me. We could talk about any of those edge rushers, but I think it's one of those two, especially traded down thinking about it. He's like a big reach. But they love saving Colin. I don't know if that is number twelve, how do it either? But they and we've done this for months. Okay, let's just throwing things up there. You're sliding back a little. Let's get let's get silly while we still can reality slap us in the face. Would you rather at twelve twelve overall Parsons

or Collins? I would take Parsons persons. Okay, so there's no no debate everything, Okay, answers Slater? Now, yeah, I was about Slater. We are all in agreement that we would draft Slater. I would do backflips down this hallway if they picked. I have heard nothing to suggest that the cowboys like I'm the same way. I've heard zero there as well. But that was at ten. What about a twelve? I just haven't heard his name at all.

I haven't heard that they like talk to him. I haven't heard, you know, me and Katie are sitting here saying they love Collins. I haven't heard that from anybody about Slater. Well, no about I know that they've talked us later, I don't know if they've talked to Jay. Okay, well, let's have fun here. Why pick at twelve? No? Why stop? Why stop moving back now? Because one of your quarterback targets just traded. One of your quarterback targets goes and

there's one more quarterback left? Does a new England at fifteen? Get Answick up another one on because we just named some guys, be like, I'll do it. Dave would just want every where's where's Kavanaugh captain? Trade down? Think studio. Don't worry about what he's doing tonight. Guys, we're all right here. You guys have fun with Jeff over the week it was so sad. I'm just saying I would absolutely, especially do I want to trade down to twenty eight

with the Saints. Not really Bears give up their first this year, the fifth this year, their first next year, and their fourth next year's. The Giants now have two first round picks next year. Dave Gettleman saying in your face every while, that's a pretty good trade. That's a solid trade, I think. And we talked about how tough it would be to go from twenty to ten and how much of a haul that would take. There's your answer to go from twenty to eleven. If you're the Bears.

I mean, yeah, that's giving up next year is one is tough, but you know you still have a two and o three this year and you theoretically have your quarterback. I'll steal this point from Brian. Ryan Pace is like, I don't give it. That's not my problem. If we don't win this year, I'm fired and you you're almost surprised that ownership off on it. But hey, if this is Fields right when you think it Fields over mac Jones, absolutely, I mean it should not be a question. It shouldn't be,

but you never know it's not. So the Giants pick, by the way, that they just received from Chicago is one sixty four, just for those keeping track at home, So one sixty four is the pick. Pick is in for Chicago, by the way, and Dallas of course on the clock next I would have to think it's Parsons

or you're trading out at this point. Maybe Slater in there as well, But kind of like how you said, Dave, there wasn't a whole lot of smoke with the Slater pick and talking about these offensive tackles, but once again, that would set direct message about how they feel about their offensive tackle health. Yeah. Well, I mean there is more smoke for Slater than there was for Jeremiah Usu Koramoa. But I agree for you, and I think this is

this is going to be interesting. I do wonder, you know, if it's another one of those cases of like BPA or the like. Do you lean toward need Teams lean toward Need way more than they want to admit, and so I'll be curious. I think you know, we've all already said we would draft Slater. I won't be surprised if they draft Parsons. I mean, I'm kind of on the bandwagon of a quarterback is going to go here,

quarterback is gonna go at twelve. Then you've got thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, let's let's if the Patriots want mac Jones, let them come up and get them. Would you take pick ninety six and lose a trade because that's that's that's close, could go back to fifteen? Yeah, yeah, I would. I think you could be trade. You could be going away from a guy you like. It's true. I think the guys that they love like love are gone. Chicago. Pick is in Goodell is at the stand. I think they're

doing a charity draftethon Talk here. By the way, you can also catch out the NFL Draft on the NFL Network and on ABC here on night one. We'll be with you throughout the weekend here on the Draft Show presented by Miller Lte special thanks to our friends at Miller Wite. So the Cowboys are about to be back on the clock on draft Day to Gandy, Dalton's a little pissed off. Fandy Dalton didn't see this coming. He's

not smart. That's true. You're the starter, Andy, Well, he still could be like, I mean, you got you got fields for five years. If he's not ready, he's not ready. You don't have your coach at GM for five years. It's fair. It's a good point. So, still talking about this draft the thon as the pick is in, I think they're talking about a specific individual. I always gotta be careful because this is usually like a very feel good story, like they're doing something very nice, and I'm like,

the damn pick. Yeah, but our audience is listening to us. You know, it's good. It doesn't really help out, but he is making the pick now in Chicago with the eleventh overall selection selects. Oh Man, I'm always a little early. I'm bad at this way. They're gonna do it two times true, I'll get better by the end of the weekend. Starts with the Jay Justin Fields, quarterback of Ohio State. Finally he falls and I think this is a great selection for Chicago. Yeah, great selection. It makes all the

sense in the world. He felt just far enough where he was in striking distance for the Bears. Really it's a bold move. But hey, they traded up one spot for Trubisky. You can move up nine spots to get Fields and you know, Andy Dalton obviously more of the stop gap option in Chicago. Fields gives them the future. And who know, if you're Ryan Pace, if you're Matt Nagy, maybe this extend your your your time in Chicago a little bit. And I think it helps that he's an

exciting player too. I mean, even when you're talking about what the morale is around that organization for Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy, who have never really fully recovered from the Trubisky pick. You know, Justin Fields all step in be fun, I think, and you gave up a lot to get there. But you know, we're talking about going from twenty to ten and how much that had cost you just a fourth this year, or just a fifth this year, a fourth next year, and then of course

next year's first. But you know, again, you're you're trying and keep your job. And how many general managers you think in the history of the NFL have drafted first round quarterback in a sapan of four years, multiple first round quarterbacks? Kimeki did it. It's bad if it happens. We usually get a chance to draft one first round quarterback and if it fails, you're usually out. So you know, it's just it's just interesting that Ryan Pace gets a

second chance here. I don't you know, it's not my business. I guess I shouldn't. Like, I'm not rooting for people to get fired. But you trade up for truebisky and miss that badly in the same draft that Patrick Mahomes went eight spots later. That's it for me. I'm like, man, maybe I don't want you making these decisions. We're goofing in the war room here. We're alive and well, just hanging out here. What do you guys thinks going on? Let's take a look in there and see what's going on.

Anyboddy on the phone, I can't see it as well. There's a good look at it. Actually, I do see Will on the phone, which Will is usually the person who calls these guys. So so the selection probably made pass this Cowboys, Okay, yeah, oh yeah, we're making it. We're making a pick. If it goes from Will to Jerry, we're making a pick. So who do you think it is? Slater, Parsons? If you're making me, if you're making me, say I would say Parsons. I would say Parsons as well. I'm

an optimist sulsa Slater. There you go. I mean, if I'm making the pickets, Slater, but I think they would pick Parsons. I see, that's exactly how I feel here. But you talk about the defense and just how poor they were last year, just how much of a question mark that linebacker room is, you can see Parsons making sense. What sucks. My favorite thing about draft weekend is normally, you know the coach of the player that's getting picked is going to come in and congratulate and maybe sometimes

even talk to the guy. Probably not going to see that this year because only ten people are allowed in the war room. So that's typically something that helps us get tipped off. About who they're talking to, and I'm just not convinced we're going to get that this year. Like I would love to see Joe Philbin walking in the room right now, because then we would know there's Mike Mike is on the phone. I'm very pro Beard McCarthy,

season McCarthy. It's fantastic. By the way, I want to thank our friends at Miller Lite as the draft pick has been made. The pick is in now officially on NFL Network, Mike McCarthy having that phone call. But man, right here, Slater is probably the top player offensively. Michael Parsons is the best player defensively, Dane. Is that true to your board as well? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's with Parsons. A good is a good player. Got a fist pump? Fist pump. Do we have a defensive or

offensive coordinator I'm looking for here? Come on, no, no, assistant coach Williams. Okay, whose arm is that? I was like, is that, Dan Quinn? What are we doing here? I wonder if the coordinators are even in the room, because, like you said, not a whole lot of extra people in the room this year. Personnel in the war room. This is like this is always the worst radio of the whole show. It is. We've talked about him six months, We've talked about it since the end of December. Who

will be the Cowboys selection at ten? Guess what? They didn't pick it ten. They traded back, picked up pick number eighty four from the hated Philadelphia Eagles. They now hold the twelfth pick in the draft, just five selections

higher than they selected a year ago. And they've got a chance to add to either side of the football in the trenches technically, I guess front seven on the defensive side, and then you talk about offensive tackle on the offensive side that live from inside the fort side. Just I think back to something Mike said on Tuesday at the draft press conference, which is that they want this team to be faster. They weren't fast last year,

not on the defensive side of the ball. And say what you will about him, but a linebacker who runs a four to three nine unofficial forties seems pretty damn fast to me. Yeah. And like I said, Hey, I love Rashawn Slater too, But I think we're I think we're welcoming Michael Parsons to Dallas. I think so too. I think that would be the pig. Well, it's interesting because what does that mean for the linebackers currently on

the stroster. It means it's certainly possible Layton vander esh isn't going to see his option picked up on Monday afternoon. I mean, you got to consider that. That's a good point. It's not going to be a storyline. There's ten million angles, and you know, we'll let we'll let Roger make the pick,

I guess. But I mean if that's the pick, and we think it is, then there's a lot to get into there because they have a chance, you know, they could draft another linebacker later in this draft and just completely revamp this whole thing in one swoop, kind of like they did with cornerback a few years ago. So Roger Goodell with a Cowboys fan up at the stand at the moment, they're going to do another draft of thon thing. So oh man, talk about the nerves here.

But hey, either way, you feel like you're a better football team after this pick, no matter which way they go on the crossroads, right, better football team, better football team. That's and you know, it's it's what we always say, is it's and like I said, trading back and getting the extra pick off makes me feel a lot better. It offsets some of the disappointment. I agree. You know,

I'll let Dane do the player break down. Well, he OpEd it out this past year, but you have to feel great about him playing two years and he led the team and tackles both years. Hey, one of those years wasn't even a starter. So this isn't talent wise. I mean, signed me up. Michael Parsons is a good player. Now we can talk about the value and all of that. That's where I think that's that's more of where the sticking or you know, where we might have an issue.

By the way, the pick is in selection been made with a twelfth overall pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. The newest Dallas Cowboy to put a star on the side of his helmet is go ahead, Kyle Michael Parsons, linebacker out of PINNs State. He is the pick. He will be a Dallas Cowboy. He wanted to be here. Hey, he looks good at Navy. We know that already, and he will be the newest Dallas Cowboy. How about that?

Presented by Miller Light, Let's go ahead and toast to Michael Parsons feels good after selecting one another top one hundred pick, because I think that's something that you could feel good about. Miller lead and taste, Miller time, cheers, fantastic. But man, Michael Parsons is here in Dallas. Now, what do you do for the rest of the draft? Where you get your corner Well, you know, I mean you have a Miller light and then you have figured it out.

That's and that's the fun part of the puzzle is regardless of what you think you have now addressed linebacker in a big way. You still could obviously if the right player falls to you, but it's something you don't have to stress about. And to Katie's point, we can go cornerback hunt and we got four shots at it, you know, starting with forty four, so you're gonna have all kinds of options. And yeah, I would imagine they're gonna look at dbs in a big way tomorrow night.

I think that's going to be the theme that it was cornerback and linebacker for me and so you've you've handled one of those things, and I feel like they're going to take a hard look at the secondary tomorrow night and what we've been talking this whole time cornerback stretches. It's a position in the second round where you're going to have options. I mean, who knows both Georgia corners could be there if you have to Melafon, who could be there? Uh, you know Robinson from UCF. There's a

lot of cornerbacks. You know, I'm sure as disappointed as they are about those corners not being there, they're getting a good player at Michael Parsons and they can feel good about the cornerback depth on day two, so you know, And it's interesting in a year like this as long as you're comfortable with Michael Parsons in terms of, you know, just how he's going to fit in your locker room

and that whole element of this pick. The talents unquestioned, whether there's rushing the pastor playing off ball, whatever you ask him to do. He has the athleticism that's just different than most guys that are six three two forty six. And by the way, getting word that they did field calls certainly from teams behind him to potentially move back.

Apparently the Patriots were one of those teams that were in the conversation but ultimately Michael Parsons ends up being the pick, and I don't blame him for making that selection. And I feel like over the course of the draft show, I feel like we've done pretty poor of a job of kind of outlining exactly what kind of player Parsons is because we have some concerns. Sure, there are some question marks, but this is a hell of a football player that's going to immediately see a large role on

this defense. I will throw this out there, though, and I think it's important. A big part of that is because it's hard to give a true outline. One I just tweeted this. You know, we haven't talked to Dan Quinn all spring. I don't coin sense for how he wants to use him. I can't guess. The other thing, Micah Parsons is a bit of a projection. What made JC Horn and Patrick Surtan so enticing is that they've just been doing it down after town. And I'm not

blaming Michael Parsons for opting out, but that's ten. You know, well, he's in the Big ten. So that's probably seven to eight games of tape that we didn't get from him not playing. Again, not blaming him at all, But it is more of a projection to guess how he'll progress. I mean, he's a super young, super raw football player. You can get lost in the sauce too when you start thinking too far ahead on nights like this too, where you talked a little bit about the Laton Vanderesh

fifth year option and what that can mean. And we talked about this two months ago and it was, uh, you know, guaranteeing Jalen's money for this year when there was a deadline for that. We start thinking, but that's the business of this game. Um. You know, Michael Parsons needs to be on the field a lot, and I think you will be. I think you will be. Who's coming off. Who's who's going to lose snaps because of this? Is it Kean O'Neill, Is it Jalen Smith? You know

who's who's who's gonna lose snaps because of this? Because he plays um And I think that there's a couple things that Data mentioned too, talking about how he can blitz and things like that. His coverage skills are good. I was not a fan on tape A few times. You had a little issues with run fits and things like that, and that's bothersome. But this is a guy who again is a young guy and will continue to

you know, grow in a little bit. You know, I'm not terribly concerned about the you know, you know, the quiets that were off the field and things like that, and you can go find those if you want. Um. You know, it feels like that's a thing that it was a mistake from a you know, an early age. But you know, I think I think you've got a

good talent. You got a top ten talent in the draft, you got an extra pick to get it, and the Horn certain thing was out of your hands unless you wanted to move up, and I didn't want to move one of those guys. That's kind of where I'm at as well. That's I agree. And if you're going pure BPA, maybe it should have been Slater, But we had a feeling they were going to lead defense in this draft,

and you can't argue with the guy's talent. And yeah, I mean, if they had drafted Micah Parsons over JC Horn, I think we'd probably feel some type of way about that, but they didn't. It was out of their control. Can I add two on the latent man rush fitth your option decision that they'll have next week. Just because you had decline of guys fit your option, doesn't mean he's gone.

Like he plays for another year and then he's a free agent and then you can still sign him and just play on the fields, tag him and you can do all kinds of So maybe you've just feel better about him than the guy that you have next to him if you want to extend the option. I mean, those have a lot to prove on the field in twenty one, quite frankly, and they will determine, you know,

what this team does with them. The Cowboys they needed a linebacker desperately, not necessarily for twenty twenty one, but because Layton's option and injury history, and let's be frank Jalen had a very disappointing season. They guaranteed his salary, so he's here for twenty twenty one. But if you don't see better return on your investment this year, then that's a conversation for next year about like do you

go forward with this guy? And now Michael Parsons gives you the freedom to make decisions like that, you don't you know, if you want to pick up Layton's option. That's great if you don't. Parsons gives you that flexibility. And I'm getting way ahead of myself, But if you want to have a conversation about moving on from Jalen Smith, I feel I'll have a lot better about it with Michael Parsons on the roster than I would without him. Now we've seen first round picks. I mean, Jalen Smith

was the second round pick. Layton Vanderesh was a first round pick in his own right. But is this the most talented linebacker you have on your roster right now? Yes, you think so. Off the straight, off the back, he might be. I mean, I guess you stuff to get like de Marcus Lawrenson the benefit of that, he might be your he's your most talented David's a player right now? Wow, I mean DeMarcus Lawrenson then him Michael Parsons From from a talent standpoint, Yeah, I'm sure that played a huge role.

And that's making that selection. Yeah that this was never this was never about how talented he was, Like for me, like I keep saying, for me, it was always about positional value. How much does a linebacker affect the passing game? And That's why I keep saying, like I hope I would love to talk to dan Quinn. That would be so much fun. Yeah. Um, you know dan Quinn likes like he used Bruce Irvan in Seattle to get after

the quarterback a lot. You know that was he was a pass Russia DPR specialist Vic Beasley nowhere near as athletic as Parsons as an off ball linebacker, but again using like a linebacker type player to rush the passer if you like, you know they call it the leo that that's the big thing that dan Quinn's known for. If this guy can line up and come off the edge or come unblocked through the middle like we saw him do so many times on tape and get you you know, we saw how valuable Devin Smith was as

a pass rusher in Tampa. If you can get those kind of numbers out of this guy, I'm all for it. I loved because that's great. That's affecting the passing game. That's what I want. And to pick this big So I really hope that they intend to use him that way. We knew he had to get us a real quick call. We know how to get a corner at some point, and they will. We know that's gonna happen tomorrow or maybe they jump back here. It'll probably be tomorrow or off.

That's an offensive line is something that we talked about. They need to get one. They need to get an offensive tackle in here, just in case they need to get one in here. And that's that's the thing that bums me out is when you're standing going into day two going why I didn't get a cornerback or an offensive tackle. That bothers me a little bit, But again, out of your hands. This is later you could have had, and that I would have taken later. But I gotta

get over that. They don't care what I think. Trust me, I'm there right. Well, yeah, Kyle, it might be the captain of that. I was the captain of this later bandwagon, and I will Reshaans later. He's gonna be a really good ballplayer for somebody down the road. Yes, and I wish probably the Los Angeles charge probably. Yeah. That's a good point. Um No, and Katie, to your point, I've been talking about this all year. I think of it.

Really it's it's a four pick well, now it's a five pick jigsaw puzzle like we cannot predict who the tenth or eventually twelfth overall pick will be. Maybe it would have been Curtan, maybe it would have been Horn. It wound up being Parsons. And all that means now is like, instead of having cornerback taking care of tonight, you got linebacker taking care of So now we're hunt. Now we're hunting dbs and tackles, because ibbs and tackles. They got to come out of tomorrow with one of

each of those. In my opinion, Yeah, well, and we've talked about it already. But the situation that they were faced with with Horn off the board at eight, Curtan off the board at nine, the fact that you picked up an extra top one hundred player and you still probably got the guy you were going to draft at ten anyways, because it was the same two guys available. Vante Smith went off at ten to Philadelphia, and then you turn around you pick the quarterback with the trade

with Chicago at eleven. Have have some faith You're sitting there like, no, the guy we draft isn't gonna be on the magazine. Yeah, he's right, the right, But you got the same guy you were going to probably pick anyway, So this was this was a win for the Cowboys, And like you said, it makes you feel better because you have that eighty fourth pick you could make that you could turn that pick around and get right back up in the first round if you wanted to, or

just get a first round code a football player. Wait, I mean either one. I'm not saying either one's fine, but you can do a lot of stuff. That's the extra pick makes me feel so much better. Here's the Chargers selection. Can I have this one, Colin, Yeah, go for it. I mean, I feel like you're in any time to just kind of overhappen. I am all for you making this call. Thirteenth pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Chargers select offensive lineman

Rashawn Slater from Northwestern. Great pick. How you like that, col Haw's that feel? It's sounded fantastic. It broke my heart. I wanted him. I wanted him so bad. Let me let me say this parsoneral quick and then I'll be done on him for a while. He's a three down player, he doesn't come off the field, and I just spent the number twelve pick on the draft on him. And I've been a little disappointed in the availability of Laton

Vanderesh and the on field play of Jalen Smith. Parsons does not come off the football field, and that's what I need to know, is how they're going to treat this because if they're not treating it that way, then I would have gone somewhere else. I get that you're trying to make me feel better here, Katie, and you're

doing a really good job of it. Just wanted to let you know because the more I think about this pick, the more I like it, just based off of the fact that one you picked up the extra selection and you're able to go down and get this guy who's going like and you said it yourself, he could very well be the most talented player on your defense. Liking the pick is contingent on how they use him, though.

If they if they go out and they treat him like he's behind Vanderesh and Jalen, that's gonna be frustrating. That would be very strong to me. He is now he is. You're the same thing we talked about with Van h in twenty seventeen. All Right, I'm now talking about that with Michael Parsons. In terms of how I view that position. He doesn't come off the field like that's I'm with happens. I'm with you, But how do

they view that? And that's what I always wonder about when you start talking about just how long a merit and meritocracy and all that stuff, how long guys have been in this? To me, takes Jalen off the field, and and maybe Jalen plays because late Marish gets hurt again, but like I hope not, But this is this is this is low key, like there's so many wrinkles to this. We've obviously talked about Layton and Jalen. Don't forget we mentioned it at the top. Keanu Neal is supposed to

play linebacker too. What's going on here? Where are these guys gonna go? Keanter Neil may not be playing safety. Neil isn't guaranteed to make the team based on the amount of money they gave him and based on what the track record has been out of free agent safeties over the last two years, Hawklinton Dix. So that's that's really fascinating to think about. And I'm with you, Kati Aspet.

After last season, spare me, spare me, like paying your dues or whatever, Like no job should be guaranteed on this defense other than maybe not at all, other than maybe DeMarcus Lawrence because of I mean, let's be real, how much money you're paying him, and because he's a damn good football player. But if Mike I mean Micah Parsons, if Jalen Smith has to get off the field for him good, If Layton Vanderesh has to get off the field for him good. How would you guys like to

hear from the newest Dallas Cowboy. I'd love it. So let's go ahead and go to the secret audio. This is in the war room between Jerry Jones, Will McClay, Mike McCarthy, and company as the Dallas Cowboys select Michael Parsons, linebacker out of pin State, with a twelfth overall pick. Hey Michael, Hey, how you doing? Hey man, I'm honored to ben proud to be talking to you this Jerry Jones, and I'm calling you to tell you we're turning your

card in. You're going you're a cowboy? You don't I think it's too big for you to be a cowboy? Do you not at all? Hey? Well listen, uh We've sure enjoyed watching how you have progressed in your career, and you had great support in this room. So we're proud to get you. Coach Quinn smiling from here. There he's here, smiling, got his thumb up. He's your defensive coordinator. Now I'm gonna hand you over to our head coach. Okay,

good sir, Mike McCarthy. Here he is, Michael. Congratulations, very good. Hey, linebacker, you gotta keep the good tradition going. I was covering y'all stole it. Yeah. Yeah, well, hey man, I'm from one PA guy to another. I'm looking forward to getting a dinner. This is a You're a great fit for us, young man. I'm looking at coach. Let's get the work right down. Yeah, we'll do. Hey, Jorda's time, Jorda's moment with your family. Congratulations, Will, thank you so much. All right, Michael,

God bless you. That's awesome. It's really cool. You can hear that exactly old. That was super cool. But I feel a little bit cheated. I love the part where Will says he is William Clay with the Cowboys. I got somebody that really wants to talk to you. And then he throws it over to Jerry occasionally on this Hay stud the old Rods you know well, and you know, obviously with Jason Garrett no longer here, my absolute favorite is it's a great day, great day for you, but

it's also a great day for us. The same line, the Jets are up at fourteen, which means a trade is happened. Yeah, they traded with Minnesota backed out of that or the Vikings rather packed out of that pick. It's gonna be interesting to see what the Jets actually gave up to get back up in that direction because they had thirty four tomorrow and they had twenty three to six. Yeah, they did have twenty three. That was

from the Jamal Adams trade. So we'll find out. The pick is in New York with who took Zach Wilson at two? Who could this be? Well, be a edge rusher or offensive line could be in the mix too. M Christian Darrisaw, you know, I kind of have the job. I think the Chargers were feeling really good about getting Slater there at thirteen. I mean I had mocked Dara Saw and Vera Tucker to them multiple times, knowing the

Chargers needed offensive line help. What the Jets need is a lot of things because it's not a very good roster, but they're they're improving. I think offensive line is the play though, and you know, for me, the next offensive lineman's Elijah Vera Tucker. But you know, Christian Darisaw is a tackle from Virginia Tech who could also be in the mix. But you know, I feel like that's the play.

And I still want to see the details in this trade because the Jets have so many, you know, picks coming up in the top forty, So I'm still kind of waiting on that, on the full information on what they got. Yeah, I'm still trying to look for that as well. And the NFL Network went to a commercial break, But that'll give us a chance to tell you about Dallas Cowboys football and the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders dance youth camps or back this summer for athletes and dancers of

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you and your friends are enjoying Miller time. You can have the original light beer delivered by going to millerlote dot com, forward slash buy beer online and find the delivery options near you. Celebrate Responsibly Brewer Company, Fort Worth, Texas. So now it's just down to you and me, Katie. It's been a wild ride so far, and I think, you know, I'll be interested to see how interested the cowboys are getting back in tonight. But there's a part of me that kind of says, hey, man, you've done

some damage. You got back, you got a good player, you got an extra pick in the top one hundred. Let's go get ready for tomorrow. If you want to get ready to go, maybe put together some some some trade ideas. Maybe if you needed to jump into the thirties and things like that. I do have the details in this Vikings trade. Okay, So the Vikings traded fourteen and one forty three to the Jets, So the Vikings

will get twenty three, sixty six and eighty six. So you said one fourteen, fourteen and one forty three, one forty three. Sorry, yeah, fourteen, one forty three. So the next next to last pick in the first round or excuse me, fourth round. Yes, So Vikings are twenty three and they are sixty six and they are eighty six. Gotcha.

So a lot of picks for the Vikings in the top one hundred now all of a sudden when they did this last year as well, you think about it with my Minnesota, I mean, they loaded up on guys

last year, especially after that first round. They ended up taking Justin Jefferson at twelve, a pick they got from Buffalo, and then they worked their way back down the sheet to I believe they had another top one hundred pick that was pretty good, Ezra Cleveland, the offensive tackle from boy Easy State, that was at fifty eight last year. But they had a ton of picks on the late day too early Day three part of the draft a year ago. So maybe they're lightning backup to try and

do that after not really the greatest year here. If you had to guess with the Jets, maybe you want to protect your quarterback here, right, I mean, offensive line is certainly in play. You just drafted Zach Wilson up at the number two selection, could you think about going with Christian Darrisaw here? I mean, of course, the wide receiver's pass catchers are really off the board. Maybe you go with a linebacker if you wanted to shure up

that defense. But I think this is pretty good chance we're gonna see Darrisaw's name called, right, and Darisa or Vera Tuckers caused me. I mean, you start talking about these offensive tackles kind of the same way you start talking about these cornerbacks to a certain extent, and you know, cornerbacks the position that the jetski goes, well, oh you've got to pick here, Colin, let's do Oh, thank you

very much. Kati with the fourteenth pick in the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, the New York Jets their second selection. Take you're gonna get this eventually. I get Yeah, I know, I'm trying to time it out. Guard out of USC Elijah Vera Tucker. I mean I thought maybe tackle would be a need there, but you even mentioned a kat that's a really good football player for the Jets that were really excited to get right back up into things. Yeah, that's Elijah Vera Tucker, you know, in my opinion, was

kind of pretty close to the Seul Slater tier. There's a little bit of a difference, but pretty close. Played left guard in twenty nineteen and he took over in twenty twenty at left tackle, and you know, proved that, you know, he can handle that responsibility. I still think, you know, to me, he's probably a little bit better guard than a tackle, but he did appear that he could handle it. And if you can handle it, you're

gonna tryhim at tackle and see if it works. You know, he plays very, very very well in terms of playing with his hands and and has the strength. You know, he never looks overwhelmed. Good feet, things like that. The link is an issue sometimes and almost a big question that people had with Slater, and I think sometimes those things when you start looking at numbers on that I prefer to look at the tape than the numbers when it comes to the length, because do they look like

they're struggling. You know. The difference in these two guys is that, you know, Rashaun Slayer moves a little bit better than Elijah Vera Tucker, just a little bit. And that's the that's the difference to me, So good pick for the Jets. So at fourteen, I'd like to trade for Minnesota, loading up getting a pick at sixty six, getting a pick at eighty six, and then you know, the Jets are coming up again at what you said right early in the second round, they're coming up at

thirty four, second pick. There have a chance to get some action there. So there's a lot of a lot of good fun to be had, and that puts the Patriots on the clock. And we've talked about this a million times. Mac Jones is the final quarterback left. It's so Patriots that actually it's really a Baltimore thing that you know, after all this talk about mac Jones being a top five pick, he could just be sitting there

at fifteen for him. Yeah. And the only thing more typical than that would be as if they pass on him for something else. Kyl, you said that you thought that the phone there cow was were at least taking calls at twelve twice, both from New England. I mean they were coming. They were coming to get someone. They were coming up to get mac Jones. That's a good point. If they were going to go get somebody, or maybe

they wanted one of those Parsons too. Maybe Belichicks, the defensive guy, just always think about like, yeah, maybe they did want Parsons because there's been some I think there's been some interest there mutually between New England and between Michael Parsons. So maybe that is what it was. But like you said, Mac Jones is sitting there prime for the picking. Right here. This is where the draft gets a lot of kind of fun in terms of you start looking today two and things like that. But when

does the run on cornerbacks begin? When does the run on offensive tackles begin? If you need that defensive lineman even, you know, when does that start to happen? Did the cornerbacks start flying? What happens with Caleb Farley? How far does Greg Knewsom slide? And he's like, I know it's early start thinking about those things. But you start looking at the tea in New England. They've got Cam Newton for another year, they need wide receiver help, they need cornerback.

I don't think it's that, Like that's the We're getting into the range now where we don't know what I don't know, we don't know. I mean, this is it Elijah Vera Tucker is probably the last thing I feel good about. Yeah. No, And this is where also we talked about it thirteen twelve, thirteen fourteen players, you're in that top ten, don't trade too far out of it. Yeah, if you did that deal with New England, you would be dropping back to fifteen. Chance Michael Parsons, a guy

you like, isn't there? Probably not there. I think it would probably be the way to say it. I mean later definitely going to be there. I bet Parsons would be a Patriot if the Cowboys hadn't taken him. That's kind of what I'm thinking. It feels so Bill Belichick. Hell yeah, looking at I mean some of the other potential trade ups that have been tossed around. I mean, the Saints are still sitting there at twenty eight now. There's not necessarily a corner for them to go get.

They could probably wait on maybe a Greg Newsom to fall. The Ravens could have traded up for a wide receiver. Maybe they want to go try and get somebody like a Rashod Bateman out of Minnesota. They have a couple of options there as well. The Patriots selection is in. It is Mac Jones. I'm gonna let Dave just announce the picks from here on out. I'm Mac Jones, Mac Jones. Sorry, is that a rap lyric? Oh? My god, Kyle, are you even born when Mike Jones was everything? No? What

when was that? Back then? They didn't want me. Now I'm hot. They allaw me a little editing there for the radio. That's a good, good, good thing, I think, Mac Jones. I want you to throw this out here because Dave, I know you're big. Joe Burrow guy, listen to this. Forty four tight window throws. Last year for Mac Jones, he completed forty four tight window throws. Got that forty four forty four? How many tight window throws were completed by Joe Joe Burrow in twenty nineteen forty four?

You're gonna tell me twenty eight, one hundred, twenty four, oh eighty more? God, Joe Jones the best. Mac Jones thirty four percent of his completions, so one out of every three completions came at or behind the line of scrimmage. I mean, the concerns they just add up with him. And maybe it gets a little more nitpicky when you talk about him at three. I had a third round grade on him, and I don't like any other quarterbacks in the draft either, But I just don't understand just

some there were some deep balls. Sometimes you'd go, what and I just don't have any interest And I said this, probably don't have any interest in a guy who can't move. Sure he's accurate, but is he really process the field a ton? Or is this guy open immediately a lot? That's and with all due respect to him, like, the comparisons to Joe Burrow are insulting in my opinion, because Joe Burrow had just as much talent and that you know, people are like, oh, he's surrounded by talent, Well so

is Joe Burrow. But go watch Joe Burrow. Go watch the way that he runs around in a loop in the backfield that gets away from two pass rushers and then fires a dart twenty five yards downfield. Mac Jones doesn't have the mobility to do that, not at all. I'm not convinced he's got the accuracy to do that either, because the fact of the matter is that DeVante Smith and Jalen Wattle were eight yards open the vast majority

of the time. I just I don't think they're remotely comparable, even though the talent level was the thing I talk about him as he's tough though, like that said in there, take hits, but it's like, Okay, I don't need my quarterback taking a lot of hits. He's not moving. We saw this at the Senior Bowl too. He just doesn't move. And it's not always that clean, it's not, but I like, you can do things to scheme around that, right, sure, Like some of the stuff Alabama did with their receivers

to help him out was fantastic. Well, and if anybody knows how to deal with an unathletic quarterback, who would it be fair? Yeah, Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots, I mean Josh McDaniels still there, right, Yes, Okay, I don't want to necessarily compare the two, but if I mean just how immobile Brady was at the end of his tenure in New England, it's the same thing with

like entire tenure. I mean, that was never his thing. Now, they did sign Cam Newton to a one year deal, and that's he doesn't have to play that he doesn't have to play this year. I got my guy Jared's did him there. I mean, his dream is coming to put an end to third third round grade is probably fair, but like, these guys get overdrafted all the time. Nobody's like and it is what. I don't have a problem with a team using a first round pick on mac Jones.

It was always just the whole trade away your future to draft him at three. That didn't sit right with me. The Patriots didn't do anything to get this guy. They didn't have to trade up like we thought they would. They just let him fall to them. I think, honestly, I think they're pumped about that. I think it's a really it's a really good pick. Even though I don't like Mac Jones. That's a good point. Yeah, And I think I want to be fair, like I think, I

just like, you know, I'm not trashing the guy. I'm just saying this hype, this top ten hype, really this top twenty hype. Right, But okay, don't I just don't Oh, I don't get it. But don't you feel better just in terms of like evaluating players, don't you feel better with him being the fifth quarterback taken at fifteen as opposed to the third quarterback taking at three. I the quarterbacks went how they should have gone, to be honest, and I mean I like Lance a little more than

Zach Wilson. But Lance is not a good fit for the Jets who need a quarterback now. He's a good fit for a team that doesn't need to play him immediately. I'm not convinced that we aren't overthinking this thing with Fields. Oh, I agree. I think Justin Fields is the second best quarterback in this class. But I've said that all along. But I think when we argued about this earlier in the spring, I also like, I'm so I'm so enticed by Zach Wilson that I'm willing to roll the dice

even though I could be wrong. And I'm obviously the Jets field the same way. I think Chicago won their draft just by getting up and getting Fields. Going from twenty, getting up to eleven and making the pick and selecting Fields. I think that was the best pick Chicago's made in a long time. That's a really good selection. I went out of my way to make excuses for Justin Fields just because I thought it was the right thing to do.

There's two games they're just glaring holes to me and it's Nebraska and it's Northwestern Western game, good secondary, a really good past defense, and a team decimated in Ohio State by COVID. At the time, he didn't have Crystal Laive and didn't have another one of the wide receivers. Offensive line was a little disheveled. The Cardinals selection is in Kyle. Oh, yeah, it's sixteen the Arizona Cardinals and

the Arizona Cardinals are selecting. This has got to be a linebacker, right, I've been thinking defense here, linebacker Xavin Collins out of Tulsa. Second straight year that Arizonas drafted a quote unquote linebacker that I mean, you drafted an absolute freak in Isaiah Simmons last year who plays the quote unquote linebacker spot. But now you bring up Zaven Collins.

I don't think any of us are surprised to hear his name here, But this is kind of going back to that point where I think all bets are off now, Like people were pegging Zaven Collins as maybe mid twenties, late twenties. Nope, he's pick sixteen. Yeah, you know, I thought Arizona might go corner there. But we start talking, when's the next corner go and is the next corner? Greg Newsom, is it Caleb Farley? Like, that's gonna be an interesting story to follow, you know, throughout the night

and into tomorrow. Perhaps is what happens with Caleb Farley. With Davin Collins. The tape is awesome. The tape is awesome. It means a physical specimen. Oh my gosh, it jumps out at you a little bit. Concerns of how much he weighed in at There were rumors that he waited at two seventy, although I think he's playing weights about two sixty says two fifty nine was the last thing that you had, which, by the way, if it was two fifty nine, it would be the second heaviest or

it would be the heaviest linebacker in the class. Some teams were working him out as a defensive end and he could probably do that. We talked about that a little bit with Parsons, about how Parsons could go maybe give you some snaps a defensive end and things like that to be on the field, And I think Zavin Collins is kind of the same thing. You know, he's all over the field. He makes plays at all levels of the field against the run. He does a good job of setting the edge when he had two. He

always knows where the ball is. The other thing I would say is he could do a little bit of a better job shedding blocks, and that shows up sometimes, but you know he doesn't. He plays faster than what his weight might tell you. Don't worry about the way he covers a little bit. You know, some of those guys are two twenty five, two thirty. They are better cover guys. He's not really that. He's a middle linebacker,

you know. That's what Zavian Collins is, I think. And if their teams trying to be out on the edge and things like that, I don't love that, but I feel like he's a good middle linebacker. But Arizona adding JJ Watt, you know, trying to make some plays on defense. I think they'll probably go corner at some point on day two. So that's a team. It was kind of the old Kingsbury train. He needs to make the playoffs. They had made the playoffs in five years. They're so close.

Last year they were so close, and then they just looked like garbage down the street. How do you look that bad? They were like the epitome of running out of steam where they were like six two and I think that what they finished like eight and eight seventy nine something like that. Yeah, Kyler was so up and down. So they've I mean they've made some really big signings, like you said, J. J. Watt. They bring in AJ Green, We'll see how that works out and if he can

stay healthy. Malcolm Butler a big name, maybe not a big impact. And then you make the pick here with Zavan Collins their next elections at forty nine. And then they don't pick till one sixty. Dang. Oh, by the way, after one sixty, they don't pick until the seventh round. They have a total of four picks remaining in this draft. You know, I've got the Raiders on the clock next. You know, offensive line makes sense with Trent Brown being out, I'm trying to see who did I How did I

mock to them? So Las Vegas, I mean there's they could they could use a right tackle, they could use interior defensive linemen, they could use a linebacker. I'm gonna step out on a limb and say, no matter what name you say, you're gonna be wrong. Because remember when I said I was looking back to the old draft. The Raiders don't give a damn what anybody thinks. Like may their picks are so consistently out there, whether it's Cleveland Farrell, whether it's taking Rugs first among all of

the receivers last year. Can I make a weird prediction then? Sure, Like just a guy that's out there that is the fastest of his his position group, We're going to do the fast guy go yeah, pretty much? Okay, Samuel Cosme Texas, Can I give you one? Mayo used to do a Notre Dame game is on NBC. Sure it did, leam Meikeenberg, Oh, hello, Jeremiah's play him at safety, play him wherever you want. Goodness, that name's just not out there enough for me, Like

I play him at lineback. That's a great point they need that. They drafted Colton Miller fifteenth a few years ago and it worked out. They just extended him. But again, like people were talking about him as a fourth round pick and he went fifteenth overall, Like Mayok and Gruden do whatever the hell they want. I could see Quitty pay here too, I could see Barmore. I could see basically we're into the range now where like draft quitty pay now. It was always it was ten that bothered me.

I don't want j ok to fall to twenty or to nineteen. He's going there. If he gets there, I don't want him to fall the nineteen. So come on, okay, come on, let's play a little game here. Let's guess. I swear I haven't seen anything. So I haven't seen anything either. Pick in. I think it is for he's gonna cause me and cause me. I'm gonna say I'm gonna sell Jay now because I like Kyle's logic of

not wanting him in Washington much appreciate you. I'm gonna say quitty pay okay, from Michigan, I wouldn't be surprised. Like he's got the best athleticism of any edge. Have we had a true take it back, take it back, take it back? I mean they didn't sign Lee Collins. I'm gonna say Christian Barmore okay, and we'll do it for water. Okay, you said three different Oh if one of us winner buys oh wait, winner gets bought a patch. Yeah yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah a j Okay,

I'm gonna say Barmore. So, I mean it's funny out of all of those three picks, guess what, they're all huge programs, they're all very athletic players, and they're all not necessarily what we would take here seventeen. So if one of us gets this right, our logic is spot on cosmic. Just say this. I mean, cosmi is not traditionally thought of in this road. I think I would.

I think I would like any of those picks. I don't dislike them at all, but we wouldn't actually make that pick other than Jay Okay, I think you would take Jay Okay here. Yeah, I was gonna say, maybe we feel just fine taking Jay Okay. That's early on cosmy for me. But I'm a jerk. So when you're all like again, Mike Mayock, none of these teams care what we think, but he especially doesn't care. He does not.

That's what you get when you sign a ten years. Also, Christians Aerisau is still on the table, by the ways, and I think that's a name because I just look at their offensive line and given Derek Carr some time to throw the football was a problem at times last year. Yeah, they did it. The last five years they did it. What they just they they did exactly what they're gonna do. They're just they're you're gonna be surprised by the name. Should I leave it for you? Yeah? Leave it? I

mean you go ahead and say it for it. So I don't know, I haven't see. We were on the right track. We were on the right track in terms of like off the beaten path, offensive tackles, a good call. It's Alex. It's Alex Leatherwood out of Alabama. Classic Raiders. It was between Cosmi and Leatherwood for me, and I picked Cosmi because he was faster. That's man, Classic Raiders. That is such a Classic Raiders. Move good, this gracious.

So Alex Leatherwood goes seventeenth overall to the Las Vegas Raiders. Oh, man, David, that's another day two dream that that was a dream, But it was. It was a lot like dream. It was a lot like Kyle Pitts in the sense that I was like, all right, it's not really gonna fall to forty four. Probably not, but it was fun to dream about. A lot of people gave me some flak on Twitter and on our panelist of analysis or analysts that actually, whenever I selected Alex Leatherwood at thirty two

for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Thirty two was a little low. How about that? Yeah, I mean, look here the leatherwoods. After I try to trade that to Dallas, the promises there. It's yet garter at tackles. What teams are going have to figure out And he's played both to me, And he was a left tackle junior and senior year and he held up nicely left tackle to me, do you have a few issues with flexibility? You have a few issues with some being undisciplined at times, latent games, things

like that, getting a penalty here and there. But he is so projectable that I mean like he is going to be a way better player in the pros. It feels like I just think he's a maaller man. I like him a lot. Play him wherever the hell you want to. I think he's nasty. He's gonna pancake people. Yeah, like's not. He's not the most like elite athletic prospect, which is why we were all thinking of him in

the late twenties to early forties. But I like, I feel like he can show up and start and play well right now, I'll be surprised if he does well. He was the what was it, the Outland Trophy winner, I mean, he was one of the best linemen in college football, and then at the Senior Bowl. I mean one of the notes that I wrote down was Matt Rule fell in love with his anticipating the cadence. You talk about the top SEC blocker and all the American Outland Trophy winner. I mean, this is as decorated of

alignment as we have in the draft. Not to mention he I mean players or excuse me, coaches in the NFL already we're talking about and raving about his ability to anticipate the snap. Honestly, he reminds me a lot of Zack Martin into which is funny because we were talking about him going much later, and Zack Martin was obviously somebody we talked about high a lot. But yeah, he just he just does the job and is good at it. And like clearly Zach Martin showed us this

year he can play tackle in the NFL. If you think what the Raiders too, they want to run the ball. You know, they won't get the ball to Josh Jacobs. They want to play that way. I just thincond they're gonna need to get a back up tight in now that Witten retired. I love, yeah, Witten in his like eight nine catches or what however many it was, So I just love sorry, kay, I just love that the Raiders don't give a damn. They really are so funny.

Just go back and look through their picks, and it's the variance from what the media thought to what the Raiders did is outstanding. Yeah. Yeah, on social media, it's going around as the last the Las Vegas Reachers instead of the Raiders. I mean, but you can make that argument interesting. He is a he's very he's going to be solid. I mean it's like, that's that's what you have, right. I thought it was weird when they drafted Rugs first before Judy and Lamb, and they've done a few other

weird things. But I don't mind this pick at all. Yeah, they I mean they have kind of your normal allotment of picks. It's not like they have a big break or an extra abundance of picks. They go from seventeen to forty eight, seventy nine, and eighty, so they go back to back in the third round with a couple of selections. So I don't think this is it is a reach, but I don't think it's as big of a reach as what we've seen from Las Vegas in

the past, if that makes sense. We got the fighting Ray Finkles on the clock here with the Dolphins at eighteen. They took Jalen Waddle at six. We had him taking Quitty pay track. I'm gonna and I'm gonna say the same thing I said on Monday, which is like, it's insane to me that we're at pick eighteen and edge. Could this be the spot? I think it is the spot, Jalen Phillips or would they go ot with Christian Daresaul? Look,

they're right at the buzzer Katie coming in. Fun is that if you get all of the joy of getting drafted and no, and you're already in the city where you're gonna play, it's true. Yeah, sticking home into Miami, Phillips, unless you hate where you live. Yeah, exactly, next time I meet somebody who hates Miami will be the first time. Jalen Phillips, he's going there a couple of weeks for the first time. Awesome, you know after the OILARI you know, knee thing, which how many interested to see how far

he slides as well. Um Jalen Phillips was the next best edge and one of two first round graded defensive ents for me in this year's draft. Freaky athletic, all the skill set you want, it's all about the injury history, concussions as see. That's why I'm surprised he's the first edge off the board here because you could have gone Quinny pay, you could have gone Asiz Ojalari, you could have gone maybe at Joseph Acai, even his teammate. Look

at Gregory Rousseau. I know a lot of people are very low on Gregory Rousseau, but entering this draft process, he was one of the guys that was thought up there. He's had a wild, wild story here, you know, freaky athletic, all the skill set you want for the position, has an idea of how to play the game. You see counter moves, you see pass rush moves with Jalen Phillips, long arms, you know, but you gotta think twenty eighteen, he broke his wrists. He's hit by a car while

he was on a moped. It's kind of shocking, you know, quit football. That he transferred to Miami in twenty twenty. He had the concussion issues back at UCLA that he transferred to Miami in twenty twenty. Fifteen and a half tackles for a loss and eight sacks last year in a shortened twenty twenty, but just one full season of college football in his ledger. And that's you know, two partial seasons as a freshman and sophomore, but that one full year last year. But man, the way he plays

the position is really awesome. That's what you want. You want guys who know how to get an offensive tackle off balance and things like that. You know, he can charge up field, he can work in a spin move, he can swim inside, all that type of stuff. And I think that the question draw about the injury thing you think about him, you start talking about guys who've had like concussion issues. This guy could go make music professionally. Um,

he's a big music producer. His grandfather's the dean of music at Lynn University, And like Jalen Phillips, plays multiple instruments. And there's part of me that goes, man, if I've had concussion issues and all that stuff, I might just go make money with music. But tells you he just gonna make more money playing football. Now. I like to pick for Miami because they've got a lot of picks, you know, this year, So I think it's it's a

worthy risk because he's a really good player. I'll be very I think I will admit that this is purely PTSD from Taco. But man, I'm I'm so scared of ed dreshers unless I mean, I just need I need to see that, I need to I don't want to have to ask any questions. And the thing that sucks about that is if I'm not asking any questions, then you're Chase Young and you're going number two overall. Are you scared of edge rushers or are you scared of

first round edge rushers? No, I'm honestly, I'm scared of all edge rushers because good edge rushers go in the top fifty, like it's hard to find those guys further down the board. But then, yeah, it's such a projection. It's such a projection, and it just scares the Bejesus out of me. And also what scares the Bejesus out of me is the fact that Jeremiah USA Cormoa is available and on the board. As Washington takes on stage.

I can't imagine they would pass on him. So I mean that brings me to the question is who are your top rated guys on the board right now? I know Jak's up there, Aziz Ojulari's there. We could very well see a nice little run of edge rushers here. So maybe a couple of corners fall, maybe that defensive tackle class falls, and then the Cowboys maybe start getting on the phone here to talk about going back up

and getting a starting day one corner. Everybody expects Washington to draft defense, and if I had to guess, it will be ja okay, But I don't like that. There's not a lot of There's not an outside of scary Terry McLaurin, there's not a ton of like receiver talent. Yeah you like any I mean Rashod Bateman's hanging around? Is this early for Kadarius Tony that would be scary. You're getting in that range? Were those you know, receivers

going to come on board. My three top graded players right now Jeremiah Usu Kormoa, then Christian Deisol and then after that. You know, I've got a bump of Azizo Jilari because of the knee thing, and I've got a bump, you know, Caleb Farley. Otherwise those guys would be out there. But then it's starting to get into like Christian Barrymore and they can't draft Quitty pay right, Like where would

he even play? Well? I mean four of their last first round picks have been defensively, and they're all still with the day they got the nastiest front in football, Like, seriously, where would Quitty pay play? Maybe they just feel good about drafting defensive the one time go wrong, the one time they didn't draft the defensive lineman in the first round and the last five drafts, guess who it was, Dwayne Haskins. He's not even with the team anymore. So

maybe they just feel better about the defensive lineman. Who's the next tackle outside of Darisaulus? Do you think it's caused me? Probably me Ats Eichenberg, Tevin Jenkins, Walker Little. I think Little is a little bit more of a faller in this draft just because of his injury history. But I mean there's a lot of tackles still there that feels like something that they should do at some point.

But you know, linebacker, we've been talking linebacker, Will Suit Kormoa, Nick Bolden, you know, it seems like a little early for him, and maybe you know, Jaman Davis has been getting a lot of you know, top twenty five buzz and maybe jam And Davis, the linebacker from from Kentucky is someone who could be in the mix. So you know, a lot of a lot of options. But it feels, you know, like we're going defense their offensive tackle for the Washington football team. No, that makes it really a

lot of sense. And we're gonna go to a tweet here in a couple of seconds, not right now, Matt, so let's hold on to it. After this Washington pick, we're gonna go to a tweet about the Cowboys odds of maybe getting back in to the top twenty is. Of course that's gonna start coming into the conversation. Caleb Farley. I mean, we talked with Dame Bugler kind of off air prior to things happening. Is Caleb Farley in that conversation with Dallas. Here's what Washington has to say with

the nineteenth overall pick. The Washington football team goes on the board and they will select Jamon Davis, linebacker out of Kentucky. Goodness that's a good pick. Yeah, good pick. I mean, look, he was gonna go. I mean something I would take with Coriboa. There, I feel like it's not that's just me, Jamon Davis. One solid year of production, there's your big question. One year of production. He can play everywere he played Mike, he can play Will. Is

he strong enough to set the edge? You know it's strong. I don't know, but he can kind of do it all. And you know, only eleven of one hundred and fifty tackle attempts, only eleven of them were missed. So he's hitting one, he's tackling, he's finishing the job. I was about to say something about how relieved I am that Jay Okay isn't in Washington. I don't feel much better about this. Well, like you know who's on the clock now. Oh no, no, no, oh no, oh no New York.

No No. That's a TikTok reference for all those out there listening. Okaya, tell me, tell me a little bit more, tell me a little bit more about jam and Davis. This guy one, I don't have to run forty four laps around local high school, so that's good. So my running bet is not necessarily anywhere there. I mean you talked about a kt already really took advantage of his only year as a starter, one of only four SEC

players to average double digit tackles per game. And I mean out of all of the defensive players you see in the SEC, he's one of those guys that he sticks out on tape. He's one of the late risers in the draft class who wasn't one of the initial go to linebackers. But he's still somebody that of course. I mean, he worked his way into the first round somehow. Running hit guy. You know, he's not the He's not your Zavn Collins. Take on blocks, get the guy off,

go get him. He is your running hit guy. I want to see him cover a little bit more. He certainly can. Though five interceptions. Zough was able to get his hand on the ball a little bit as well. He just have to go one year, you know what happened. Now, they did play a standard four to five like most DEFENSI are doing, but he was kind of in the middle. There's inside. I think it's kind of more of a fit for a three four type of team. On the inside. To me, it's kind of being the weak side guy,

if you do all, I all, I'm simplifying this. But if you tell me he's a running hit player, what better front to be behind and gonna have space for days? And I think that's the idea with that pick man, and I like a get away I said about missing tackles. Just eleven miss tackles on one hundred and fifty tackle attempts. I mean, that's that's a crazy number of like, it's a crazy success rate. Also, not to mention he's got

some two just crazy speed. Look at his testing. I mean he was one of the quickest linebackers of four or four seven forty. His split was the best in the linebacker class one five three on his split, his vertical was great, his broad jump was fantastic, one of the best in the class as well. So I mean, positionalwise, he's one of the best, more athletic linebackers that you're going to see. And if he can finish a tackle in the NFL, he's going to be a problem, especially behind.

Like you said, Dave upfront like that. Let's take a look at the tweet that I alluded to a couple of moments ago, and this is coming from Matt White. On Twitter, he tagged all three of Actually sorry, Katie, he tagged the Ron post It's fine. What are the odds that Dallas packages some picks to come up and get Greg Newsome? What would it take to get into the early twenties? I know, Katie, you were hot on the trade charts a little bit ago. Is there a

chance that the Cowboys maybe look at Greg Newsom? I want to throw Caleb Varley's name in there because I know he's on the board. Is there a chance that they go that direction and maybe try and sneak back in here? Because now we are in the twenty before to the math, they're can we talk about the player for a minute? You're moving up for in Newsom? Sure?

Because Newsom, the tape don't lie good in coverage. Three straight years of missing time and your season ending with you not on the field because he get hurt three season that a couple weeks ago. Yeah, and the length is not great either. I mean his length is closer from winkspan standpoint. All that stuff is closer to guys like Elijah Molden and Aaron Robinson from Central Florida. I mean, he's not talking about the length of these guys like

Horn and Certan, like would they want that? I like Newsom, I think he could play on the outside, but you're giving up some length and I don't know what the thresholds are for dan Quinn. Feels to me like dan Quinn would be a guy, which, knowing from his track record here long guys and Newsom is not that a

good corner. But he's not a longer guy. It made the rounds on Twitter a little bit yesterday, but I know they at least have some interest in Elijah Molden and that feels like a dan Coin effect to me, because I don't think they would have looked at him last year. They have interested in him as a safety. You're good, that's a really good point. Necessarily a corner even still like they've avoided guys with those measurables. But you're right, that is a really good point that it

would probably be at a different position. So if you put forty four and seventy five together from a from a trade chart standpoint, that gets you up to in between twenty seven and twenty eight. So if you want to play, you know, we've seen Baltimore has a pick at twenty seven and thirty one. Maybe maybe Baltimore would play ball with seven. That question said early twenties. So what you're telling me is that's not enough to get

you into the early twenties. I mean, if you want to give up another pick to get up there, and I'm not saying, I'm not saying I know, yeah, I think you would. You would be fine getting into the late twenties at that point. Forty four and seventy five we get you to the late twenty yeah, and you have eighty four and ninety nine here to work with. Does this team like Trevan Merrick from TCU the Cowboys, That's that's a target worth making a jump for. I could see that as a general rule. I hate I

hate it. Don't make me get rid of forty four and seventy five. I'm with you. Let me pick some players. I think they'll be there too. That's the thing that was so fun about that mock draft exercise that we've done Monday and Tuesday. It's just the realization that there's good players there. Giants at twenty. They got Kenny Golladay, they got sick one Barkley coming back. If you can see even though a pick hasn't been fully announced. Think offensive weapon here. If you tell me, I'm telling you

that I know what the picture I know. I'm telling you if you're telling me, it's gonna be Cadarius Tony. And I'm not even looking. I'm just guessing. But that's scary. I'm not telling you that. Dave. You sure had a wordream in your eye. I always have a gleam in my eye. That's a decent point, man. You always have that little extra sparkle, mister kat Jeremiah wes Cormo. Okay, I mean, I just this is Dave made me feel like really scared after just saying no, yeah, no, Well

now they're on the climb. Well, I would like to welcome DeVante Smith to the division, and I would like to welcome another guy, and I will tell them a minute. Why why are you ahead of everybody? Come on the Internet's ahead of TV? Internet stop and they don't welcome to the drasticulous Okay, I'll do it. You got the commissioners walking up to the podium with the twentieth pick and round one of the twenty twenty one NFL Draft radio in front of Cleveland, the home of Albert Bell,

there is, damn it. The Giants take Cadarius Tony from er. I don't know. Tony doesn't have to work out right, it's going down for real, man, You know Cadarius Tony's really good. Do you need to give you the negatives on Cadarius Tony? Does that make you feel Make me feel better? Because because there are some things about him that I think are interesting. Now here's what sucks. Seventy catches and ten touchdowns in twenty twenty, lines up in the slots and comes in the backfield. It's got the

extra gear to separate. We all seen the tape. The thing that's interesting is Florida kind of had to go out of their way to manufacture things for him. And I don't think that's because of Kyle Trask. He just didn't have a lot of contested catches. And I think it's an unproven thing. So if you can keep a guy close to him, and that's hard thing to do, then you can kind of slow him down a little bit. But he which finds a way to get open, and they would use him in motion and use him in

a multitude of ways to get him the ball. So tough runner when he's got the ball in his hand. He's elusive, dude. I read a stat the other day. He's good. Man. This guy, this guy forced like eighty eight Misstackles on one hundred and eighty eight career, touches like a third of the time he touches the ball, he makes the first person miss. That's impressive. It's it's terrifying, and that's I mean, I think this is a classic.

I'm thinking too much about it because they wear the same uniform, and I know Percy Harvin didn't have the most amazing NFL career, but that, like the elusiveness and just and the explosive speed, just reminds me of Harvin in the sense of, like, find a way to get him the ball even if he's not the most impressive route runner, and good things will probably happen. I've been very open about this division with a healthy Dak Prescott being the Cowboys to lose because to me, Ryan Fitzpatrick

doesn't do a lot for me. Yeah, with with Washington and let's Jalen Hurtson too much for him. For Philly, Daniel Jones is added one back. Daniel Jones isn't good. Say it, He's not good. I don't care. I know, I tend to agree he fumbles, but what does he almost as much as WinCE did when is he had good wide receivers as a whole. Now he's got a pretty good unit with with Kenny Galladay and and Emony grow Like this, their offense is suddenly way more dangerous.

It looks a lot scarier than it did a month and a half ago. But yeah, I mean, se Quon wasn't even there last year. I get it. And Andrew Thomas might develop into a better player than he was as a rookie. Tony Slayton. The other name I was forgetting there is Sterling Shepherd. He's still there. Yeah, he's been. He's been there for a thousand years, which is funny. We covered his draft. Yeah, um, how does that make you feel? Oh dude, I'm I feel ancient. I feel

like a dinosaur. All these two thousands players getting drafted. Um. I mean, if if Daniel Jones can't make it work with what's around him at this point, then will like then he's not the guy. And this will be his third season, which is fitting because that's when you had to decide on an option and all that other fun stuff. I'll try it, that's right, right, he's entering his third season. Yeah, I just think if he was the guy, you would

have seen more of it by now. Yeah. But but he's gonna have a lot to work with from here on out. No, no offense to Darius Slayton Gala Day and Tony changes things. Oh sure, and so don't forget Saquon Barkley Manquon back. Yeah. Now, their defensive line still has some pretty big issues. Kind of thought they could maybe well maybe you look there, so I know we here on a Cowboys podcast or not about to criticize somebody else's defense. I know, very good point. I would

never I would never do that. I'm looking at some of these players that are still on the board heading into this twenty first pick for Indianapolis. I mean, we we talked about Jaylen Phillips here, so maybe Ed Rusher for the Colts. I think that's probably one of their glaring needs. Quit Pay, maybe Quitty pay as he's Alari that need for Oilari's very nob it's I mean, it's taken a lot out of everybody, at least at this point. I mean India also go with a Rushot Bateman. Yeah,

I had a little receiver help there. I know they took Michael Pitt's last year, or excuse me, Michael Pittman last year. I'm stealing. Sorry, I'm I'm stealing this point straight off of Twitter. But something that we maybe overlooked Kat Kyle, Oh god, no, it's it's a good thing in my opinion. Okay, who's calling the place for the Giants?

Jayson Jay? Which you know, Jason Garrett Jay Jay. Jason Garrett caught a lot of flak in Dallas for not being creative or forward thinking enough with his offense and guess what he's gonna do. Hey, we'll see, We'll see. But try no excuses because there's plenty of talent for him to work with. Colts could do a lot of things and Ballard their GM. Chris Ballard is one of my favorite personnel people in the league. I think he's

awesome at drafting players could use offensive lineman help. Uh there, left tackle Costanzo retired, so yet that could go edge. Though we talked about the edge names were probably to early in the game to start talking about tied into and all that stuff. That stuff will probably come around tomorrow. Darisaw on the board, man, I like that. I'm just laughing because now that you said that, we're gonna watch fryar Muth come off the board at like twenty three.

Don't you if you if you're the coaches, don't you have to protect Carson Wentz though, I mean, that's why you didn't take any chances and you lost Costanzo. It just makes I mean, that seems too logical. You think Carson Wentz finds it now that he's back with Frank Frank che I don't know if he'll find it in the sense of like just magically becoming a great quarterback again, but I think he'll be better than he was last year. So yeah, that's man, this is where the two someone's

going to take a chance on Caleb Farley. That's what I keep thinking. And I wouldn't be upset if the Cowboys wanted to maybe do that on their own, right. I really wouldn't if they wanted to trade back in and take Caleb Farley, I'm not I'd be over the moment. Man. I'm not moving for a hurt guy. I would say the same thing about I'm not moving for hurt guy. Hurt guy yeah, you know, it's a it's a I'm emphasizing,

oh hurt, guy, hurt. The list of things that are wrong with Caleb Farley is not short, So I will say we did not have that same kind of luck with the twelfth overall pick. And guess what Michael Parsons is on the phone of us? Is we welcome in the newest Dallas Cowboy? Micah Parsons, linebacker out of Penn State. Mica. First off, congratulations, it's a crazy night for you. What's going through your mind right now? Micah? Are you there? Do we have Micah? Do we have Mica on the phone.

It is a crazy night. It's got a lot going on. Yeah, the guy's busy. He's gotta make a move, gotta go from Pa to Dallas. Mike, are you there? We're just we're just on in MICA's pocket right now. He's like hugging people and saying hi, as he should a bunch of interviews after I got picked. But's well, this is fun, Mica, Mike are you there? Mica? Do you think the Cowboys should trade back in and get you some defensive teammates? I think that would be fun to ask him him

here in a little bit. Jason, o Oh, Mike, are you there? MIKEA are you there? Ye? Hey, Micael, congratulations you're the newest Dallas Cowboy. We're here with the Draft show. What are you? What's going through your head right now? Good? A lot is going through my head. But now you know, I'm feeling bless I'm feeling extremely grateful, and I'm feeling ecstatic to be a part of the Cowboys. Hey, Mica, congrats. Man.

I'm curious. I mean, you just said it, but you know, and people are talking about it on Twitter going all the way back to December. You know, you tweeted out that you wanted to be here? What what was it about the Cowboys? What was it about Dallas that that you felt that way? And I mean it's got to feel wild that something you've wanted for so long actually happened.

With everything that happened in the first round. Um, you know, uh, people don't realize, like you know, I think, you know, just being in America then playing at playing for you know, the best team in America. You know, Uh, you know playing at atenc stay didn't what I did. I fell in love with it. I knew who Jay Jones is. I know what he represents. He's a serious man, once to win games. And you know, I knew what I was stepping into, and I wanted to be in blue

and white again. And I said, the place where I feel like they got there are a couple of pieces away from being a really good team was the Cowboys. And you know, um, this is where I wanted to do. So we've obviously watched a lot of your tape and studied you leading up to the draft. But for all those Cowboys fans out there listening, tell us a little

bit about your game. You know your demeanor on the field at linebacker, Um, you know my deman on the linebacker is, you know, play fibal will play fast and make a lot of tackles. I like to fly to the ball. I think the best thing anybody can ever do is play with effort. And when you play with effort, a lot of great things happened around the ball. So that's kind of how you're gonna get me. You're gonna

get a competitor. I'm never gonna go down easy, never gonna go down sweet, and I'm gonna come in and ready to place. Now you mentioned some of those pieces on the defensive side of the football. Mica, where do you feel like you're gonna fit in with this defense? Do you think there's a specific spot for you as you come in and get to get to work. Yeah, I mean I could play anywhere on the field. I think I'm gonna use my versatility earlier on, find out how they want to use me, and you know, take

my opportunity and run away with it. You know, I think I'm here just based off our opportunities my whole life, and this is another great chance for me to take advantage of one kind of going off that, Mica. You know, we haven't really had a chance to talk to your new defensive coordinator, Dan Quinn, but watching your tape, you know you can't help. But notice, like you said, your versatility you can get after the quarterback. You can. You know you had a big strip sack here at at

and T Stadium a couple of years ago. Have you talked to Dan Quinn about how he wants to use you or what your role could be when you get here. No yet, Like I said, I talked to the Cowboys one time. I guess that one time was the best time. Cowboy. That's how to get to work. Well, we're excited to have you here and to see you get to work. Mica. Congratulations, we will see you soon and Dallas, and hopefully sooner rather than later. We'll get to shake your hand whenever

all this COVID nineteen is over. How about that? Yes, sirs, sounds of amazing. Micah Parsons on the phone, appreciate your time. And well, of course he is the newest Dallas cowboy. And you know it is intriguing and like you said, it never gets old hearing from these prospects as their dreams are realized. And like you said, his last collegiate game the Cotton Bowl against Memphis close to New Year's in twenty nineteen. That was his last time on a

collegiate football field. Guess where it was stadium? Baby, I'm not one of those guys that cares about the new number rule. Just didn't I really think about that question. I did want to go on Twitter. It was like, you guys should ask him with that because you know Cedric Wilson's eleven. Right now. I want to put the poor guy on the spot and say either you're coming, You're coming for Cedric's number or what because eleven eleven is full right now? Yeah, that is fun to think, like, okay,

one is open. I believe, um two probably you're not. Come on, Greg the leg he's not giving that up. I mean my special teams versus your number one. Dude, if kickers can change numbers two days, it's ten open. I think ten's open. Yeah, I know, I'm end up open. I just I love that if he wants, I mean, he can wear whatever he wants, obviously, but that would

be fun. Colts went to Quitty pay at twenty one defensive in for Michigan as we were kind of talking about, um, you know, still have dry saw the ot on the boards of a Zizos you are, I think there's gonna be an offensive tackle here for Tennessee. Right, you would have to that direction, maybe a corner, you know, I think I think Christian Barmore to Tennessee's makes a lot of sense to Barmore next to Jeffrey Simmons. I mean, Jeffrey Simmons is so good. There's a lot there if

you get a little Barmore in Simmons. Nobody watches the Titans, which is a shame because it's weird Yeah, they're just I don't know, they're new in AFC game. They get caught in a bunch in the in the box of eight or nine games at noon. The only time anybody watches the Titans is that one random Thursday night game when Derrick Henry goes for one sixty five or you know, has a ninety nine hard touchdown. But yeah, I mean I think I think the pick there is I mean,

they could do a multitude of things. They've got a pretty good roster. Quietly, you've got a pretty good roster. A J Brownt wide receiver. Would they want to add to that? I mean, that could be some fun. I actually heard, you know, I'm I have LSU connections. I heard some talk that they are like enamored with Terris Marshall, which again like feels early, but it's anybody's guests. Once you get into this part of the round, how these teams feel. You know, they took um who did they

take last year in the first round? Kind of pull up my draft history talk about the Titans. Yeah, Isaiah Wilson, offensive tackle out of Georgia, Right, Yeah, that did not in the NFL anymore. Ye, So, I mean, and that was at twenty nine because they were coming straight off of that AFC title game birth. I mean, they're taking a while for this pick. I mean we're at fifty seconds remaining with the twenty second pick, and they're taking

plenty of time. Bateman's been talked about a ton to maybe go in the first round, and you know, Darrisaw, their offensive linement is probably their biggest need. You know, would they go offensive vinement again in the first round. Hey, dry Saw is a way more solid prospect than Isaiah Wilson was last year. Um, I would have very confident. I think this entire tackle class is better than what was really last year, maybe other than maybe the top three guys I would. I think I mocked Tevin Jenkins

to them. That's that's what they should That's what we did, that's what yesterday. Or well Dressau is there as well. I mean that's just easy for me. I mocked bar More to them just because the idea of Barmore and Jeffrey Simmons is very awesome to me. But I don't know, man, I don't know, it's like, uh, this is like this is like one of those things. Um, we kind of go anywhere here wide receiver, offensive line, DT could be a lot of anything, and they'll just go pick a

running back. It's not like they have one of those there, right, Sorry, is this is this happening at the draft? We have have a little concert happening. It looks like a straight up concert. I'm gonna tell you. Though they had the Kings of Leon earlier, I don't know what what's happening now? Does look like a concert stage? The music at the draft tomorrow night, it's gonna be awesome. I'm just I can't say free, but it's gonna be awesome. Okay, I'm just not sure. And and I no, I can't say.

I'm not allowed to say. I'm trying to think of musical acts that I know that you're associated with. Oh what, well, this is a fun pick okay, Oh you guys want to know of course, Yeah, this is taken forever. What is it? I'll say it's a cornerback, Greg Newsum, No Farley? Is he? Caleb Farley? Caleb Farley? The injury risk It worked out. It worked out with Jeffrey Simmons, sure did man and the man who has of a couple weeks ago still couldn't feel his toe. Yeah, from his back surgery.

You know what with like no, no shade intended towards Caleb Farley. But I'm I'm happy he's gone. I'm happy the Cowboys aren't going to have to deal with that temptation. I'm not that happy, which at it. Hey, our colleague, our colleague, Jeff Kavanaugh actually did ask Micah about his number. He said he wants eleven. So, oh, Cedric Wilson or fight it out. Mike has got that top fifteen. Pick money if you want to cut Cedric a check? What et Cedric Wilson ware in high school? I mean, not

in high school. In college, I have no you know, because he can switch to a single digit number if he wanted to. Now, I kind of don't like the number rule range thing. I know. Then okay's very old man, but yeah, I don't know. Just get off my lawnch very organized. Cedric Wilson War one at Boise, which is open right now. This is that's that's what's gonna happen. Well, see,

Cedric Wilson's going to switch to the single digit. He's gonna go wear number one, and then Michael Parsons will be wearing number eleven, by the way, I believe, and Matt can't and Chris Beam in the back, who, by the way, have just done a fantastic job all the way throughout this draft process. Correct me if I'm wrong with the little l bar graphic that we have on

our screen. You could go on and buy Michael Parsons jersey with that QR code right whoa is that right, Matt and the excellent promotion right there stand by stand by. Anticipation is something that I'm waiting on, is what I've been told. The the world of the QR code has changed things quite so, Like we're talking about the future and technology right now. You're it might and again we've got a firm right, that's what we can do. Yeah, he said it was coming. It was very you were

waiting on the anticipation of it. Basically, it was what it was. I mean right now, it's a scan code for the official draft hat. But I'm sure you could probably find your way to the jersey from that point as well at the Cowboys Pro shop. So yeah, go and check that out if you wanted to, maybe a number eleven jersey. We are taking a look at Caleb Farley and what he brings to the table now for the Tennessee Titans. And I mean, Dave, you said it.

You're not necessarily upset that he's off the board, and the Cowboys don't have to necessarily think about it. That's just me. But what outside of the injury history, what kind of player of the Titan's gonna get a Farley? No, Farley was, honestly, which is a testament to how much his injury scare me, because he was probably my favorite back when this was a two man race. He's cornerback one for me. He's impressive. Man, He's just he's an

athletic marvel. He's got all the size, he's got the speed that you want you go put on his tape like he can man up with guys. I like everything that he does. Like I think he's a great player. That the problem is just that's a lot of injuries. He tores acl in twenty seventeen. He's had I believe two surgeries on his back like this has been something

that has troubled him for multiple years. He played all of twenty nineteen with sciatic pain in his leg and saying, which Hey shouts out to Caleb Farley because you're a bad man, yeah, but tough guy. I'm just if he had fallen to forty four, you could, yes, especially since they didn't draft a corner in the first round. I would have been all in favor giving up resources to draft a guy who has had long term and repeated

health problems. Don't like it at all, especially when you could get a guy on the back side of that defense. Javon Holland Richie Grant is still technically on the board year, I mean, and we'll have to see how the rest of the first halfway there, So we'll have to see how it plays out. But like if I told you, Okay, who's all right? Greg News, I'm still on the board, Kelvin Joseph is still on the board. Eric Stokes is still on the board, Tyson Campbell's still on the board.

Am I forgetting anybody big? Get my quarterback board? And Robinson still on the board. Yeah if he ebo, I know he's a little bit later on, probably like him more than wouldn't you rather just take one of those guys at forty four than trade up for that's I just trade hang up. I hate trading up. I mean in Titan, we'll see what happens if Samuel gets to twenty five. I would at least maybe make that call. I think he has, but he wouldn't fit. Yeah, do that.

And this is I would make that call, Dan Quinn and the Dallas Cowboys would probably not make that call. This is where the signing of Jordan Lewis changed things a little bit. And it was I like Jordan Lewis, hayink, He's a great dude, but it was a bit of a confusing signing for me. It's not like they paid him a ton or anything, but it was a very confusing signing because that just didn't know like, Okay, they

have you. You're saying you have a role for him, and there's some pretty good slot corners, you know, in this draft. I think it's purely a cover your ass signing. It's purely as like, we can't go into this draft with such a ridiculously obvious need and that's the smart thing to do. Yeah, honestly. Um. And they did the same thing with Anthony Brown, you know, last year, and they got a good pick. The Vikings pick is in again.

The Vikings were at fourteen. They traded back to twenty three, which and get get three two more top one hundred picks out of it. I'm just gonna read the again. I don't know. I haven't seen anything on Twitter. I don't know, but everybody was pegging Elijah Vera Tucker to the Vikings like they were just hammering that and they traded back and Dry Saw and Tevin Jenkins are still there. Man.

It feels like offensive line, but they their defensive line needs help to what about Landed Dickerson out of Alabama? Sure like that? Or is there a defensive bar more? I think they need more of a Davis. They need more of an edge than a defensive tack. They're committed to Rife at tackle. Still Rife isn't sensing. Oh my god, Yeah, you're right, Dang Rife is the reason the Bengals just drafted Ja March. Yes, okay, yeah, So darrisaw is my You know I've got two technically, I've got two guys

first round grades. No three guys at first round grades on my board. Who Coromoa Aziz Ojilari those are my two and then Christian Darisaul. But I should I should have moved around too because of the injury thing, like I did with Farley and moved him down. You know, Ojilari could I think, and I'm obviously I don't cover the Titans. I'm just parroting talking points. But everybody in the world expects them to draft alignment offensive or defensive.

So what do you like more? Maybe pairing somebody like Ojilari with Daniel Hunter or shoring up the left side of your line. Well you also brought in Dalvin Tomlinson too, Yeah, in the offseason, but you still but the talking point is that they want an edge dan Hunter. Well, and I think that's exactly what you would get with Ojilari. Right if you feel comfortable about the knee, I just think this, there's a flag on that knee right now. The flag on the knee is it's glaring. It's very glaring.

And he is such a one like I like Ojilari a lot, but he is such a He's not going to be for everyone because he has a head down and go guy. He's not a nuanced pass rusher like Jalen phillips is. But you know, he showed the ability to take over games at Georgia's sometimes, so you know, Jular He's got a lot to like. I just think the value, the value on the offensive line is too good to pass away, Like you traded back and you still have two guys in dar Saw and Jenkins, Yeah,

who are really good players. We talk a lot about roadmapping though, and if you wanted to go edge, you should go now. Yes, But but because the offensive tackles we feel good. For instance, at forty four, if the Cowboys wanted to go that round man Jenkins, Dylan Redunds, Walker Little what I'll say about that, I don't. I don't think that highly of Kirk Cousins, and I think do what do what you would know? You watch The

Green Baby a lot, love Kirk Cousins. Do what you gotta do to keep and protected, because he's only going to be as good as his offensive line in my opinion. So with the twenty third pick in the draft, they take offensive tackle Christian der Assaul out of Virginia Tech. Back to back, hokeis this is what, Oh that's a good point. Yeah, Virginia Tech show out stand up my friends. Uh yeah, this is not a surprising pick to me. I don't think, No, I don't know. Get the first

round grade off the board there too. Rick Spielman deserves a pat on the back for trading away and still getting this guy, getting exactly what you need, a really good player who a lot of us thought was going to go in the teens. And what did they get from the Jets? I don't even know, two extra first round picks, I mean two extra top one hundred picks. Rather, I was gonna say, wow, I didn't know what they did that one. No, sorry, that's amazing good what it

was at sixty three and eighty three? Um? I wrote it down and I it's sixty six and eighty six. Sixty six and eighty six, so two third round picks? Yeah, yeah, but that's the that's the second pick in the third round, sixty six, So you know, makes you think about that. Pittsburgh's up next at twenty four. Oh, this could be fun. Now. There's been a lot of buzz on running back to which I think is ridiculous. I do too, as uh as the great Meta Kimes said, you know who's going

to go here? Offensive line is a situation. I know exactly who this is going to be. That just because it fits, just because it's that kind of player. Jeremiah was Cormall, I would actually love that I think he would fit. Really, I would love that he plays like a Steeler. You know how they say play like a raven. I mean he's the same way he's oh Man hard. That's such as great and and I would personally think

that would be a great fit. They could go running back offensive line, they should draft Devin Jenkins is what Devin Jenkins? Oh Tvin Jenkins a pretty good fit there. That would be if they're only as good, if they're only as good as Big Ben's protection, then I mean, even if do you think it's a reach that like they're gonna take Kyle Trask you, I'm not gonna let Ben Roethlisberger's last year happened without getting at least one,

maybe two offensive linement. That's what I'm saying about. They're they're only gonna go as far as he can take them. Um, they pick twenty four and fifty five, so you got a wild weight. That Najia Harris connection has been there for months. I hate it. I hate it and Harris, Najia Harris is a great player, but what like, who cares who you're running back? Is if he's running into the other team's defensive front, aren't They living proof of

that after surviving a couple of years with Connor. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like surviving. Yeah, he was fantastic for a minute. Lessons learned right. You would think, don't do it yet, dude, there's time to do it, and it's fine. It's better be a pretty big You draft a running back in the first round if you have nothing else, if no other glaring like, it makes sense for Buffalo. They don't have a whole lot else to worry about. The Chiefs took my guy Clyde last year as a

luxury pick. That's when you do that. Yeah, this is yeah. Tevin Jenkins, we all agree, best offensive vinemen left left. Yes, the other one I like caused me too. I like Jenkins and caused me pretty close. All these guys and that's kind of how it goes with a lot of offensive vineman. Now, guys who can play guard and tackle. Um, so you know Tevin Jenkins is a guy like that. You know Jalen Mayfield, same way. You know a lot of people chase to see a guard. Is he a tackle?

Could do both. Tevin Jenkins, though you feel like he fits at tackle, plays like a guard sometimes well he finishes and kind of a bulldozer. They we get the pick right now, and I'll do it with the twenty fourth pick in Round one of the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Where are we going here? The Pittsburgh Steelers select Naja Harris, running back from Helabama. It's just further. I can't believe it. He was very emphatic. It's Nagi na, It's Naji Harris. And I think he is a wonderful player.

And I think that Steelers are dumb man. They could have done so many fun things there. Well, I mean, look, there's not a lot of more fun players in the draft than Nase Harris. Well, he was the third player on my big board, left behind Ojulari and Jay Ok. I mean, those are the two that I have in on top of, on top of Harris. So I mean, if you're going by the board, not a stretch. But you I agree with Dave. If you don't have the offensive line to block in front of him, what are

you doing? You know, he's he's very fun. I feel like I'm going to regret saying that in three years. No. No, I mean, look here's the thing though, too. They did need to get a running back in there for Ben Roethlisberger as well. And you know, kind of if you want to have an example of a correlation, here would be taken Zeke Elliott because Tony Romo was maybe on his last legs, turned out to was his last legs.

But you know, take a running back because that running back will help you keep the ball, help out the defense, and help the quarterback. But that offensive line has lost two starters. And that's just kind of the only way I can look at Pittsburgh situation is that their offensive line needs a lot of help. So yeah, I don't know, I don't know about that. But then so hey, someone had to be the first running back selected. And I know that the world is like anti drafting or running back. Ever,

I understand that's I'm not Jeff. Jeff is ridiculous, takes it too far. Naji Harris to Buffalo. I'm applauding that pick hard. I'm a big time in favor of that. I just this poor guy is gonna run into eight jerseys in the other team's color every time he touches the ball. Let's not forget this was a team who was undefeated and there was a lot of talk about them in the next nineteen seventy two Miami Dolphins until

they hit a wall deep in the year. And you know, this is a guy who helps you when you do hit a wall in a season like that, a guy who can go give it to him every once in a while. He's gonna get twenty five carries a game. I just think I'd rather have somebody who can protect my geriatric forty year old quarterback who like the Steelers, I'm just trying to make it he could protect him just by taking handoffs over and over and over again. I'm just trying to be nice here after I killed

mac Jones earlier. Maybe it don't work. Maybe it don't work. Like we got to remind ourselves that nobody knows anything at the end of the day. But that's a very good point in life for her. Juston well in life, but definitely in the draft. Yeah no, no, you're right. So after Harris is off the board here at twenty four, the Jaguars are on the clock. But we do have some cool tweets to talk about from the Dallas Cowboys

welcoming Micah Parsons to the Dallas Cowboys club. We'll start with Dak Prescott overall and Dak we aren't actually able to see the tweets in here, Matt Kent, but the tweet overall from Dak just welcoming the welcoming the newest Dallas Cowboy. It was a tweet says, welcome Michael, let's get to work. So Dak Prescott pretty simple with his. We also have tweets from Jay Smith and from Zeke, but we've got We'll start with Zeke. Elliott says, don't

touch me in practice, Rook. It's a pretty Zeke answer for that. Well, big ten rival reaction there, Oh that's true. Ohio State Penn State one of the most underrated college football games of the year, especially if it's a whiteout. Hell yeah. How about this one from Jalen Smith basically just saying, let's get it getting I mean getting after it.

That's let's go. You think that's a gut punch for Jaylen Smith or is that just more competition for Jalen Smith maybe to try and get back to twenty eighteen for him. I don't think he's the type that would get that get that way. I think he's the type it's like, let's go, let's go to work, Okay, I mean, I mean maybe it's added motivation, I guess, but he's not gonna be like but hurt about it. You know, he might not be but hurt, but it does it does impact him. I don't think it deep down in

their heart of hearts. I don't think a guy ever feels good when his team uses a first round pick on his position. You think Phil Costa felt great when they drafted Travis Fredder, don't. I sure don't think McKenzie Bernadeau felt great when when they drafted Zach Martin. No, that's a little bit different. I mean, Jalen's a big time player on a big money contract. I think he's got slightly more job security. Jacksonville's up here at twenty five,

and I you know, they got Trevor Lawrence. Obviously, this feels so barmore to me, so and NFA if I wanted to play you know on ZOURIK don't to go down that road maybe, but this feel is a very Christian barmore. By the way, with that last selection with Harris going off the board, that was the sixth Alabama player taken here in the first round, which, by the way, last year LSU five five players taken in the first round. Oh yeah, we I mean we knew Bama was gonna

say we're gonna shatter that. I mean, we've both We've got Barmore still. I was gonna say once Leatherwood went in the first round, it was over. Yeah, Barmore is still. I mean, Landed Dickerson still could go. I don't know if he'll go first round, but there's still some guys there. They're a machine man. You get to twenty seven, Baltimore up. Would you give up forty four and seventy five for anything? Me? No? Them, Sure,

I could absolutely see that. I think I think Mary is the name if they're going to start a target done it. That's the name if they're gonna do what. I think they feel like Barmore Really you think it's straight marrying because I feel like what they with what they've done with Kauzie, Curse, Donovan Wilson, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, Trevon Diggs. They're going to add a corner at some point in this draft. But I feel like they could get by. Yeah, it's not ideal, it's not what you want,

but they could get by. I think you would. I think they want to add a safety at some point, but I don't feel they feel like they have to. I don't think they would have to as well. That's what they do that we've been in this for five years. They signed three guys who can play the position. They're all on one year deals. But like in the strictest

sense of the word, they've got plenty of depth. But again this and I don't think you can underrate this like I think I think they're looking They just want to revamp that thing. Obviously from a talent standpoint, but from a culture standpoint as well. It's very It's just okay, So what if I talked you into forty four and nine and what was the pick? Now it's eighty eight

four eight four, So forty four and eighty four. If just going off, you know, one of the charts that kid gets you, that could get you to thirty, that would be that would be more married for me. I said, if you go up to twenty seven, that's still a little rich. I thought, I thought, working with you know, this wouldn't surprise me if Brian was here, because that's what Brian does. But like y'all know, I would learn from him. Why are y'all just trying to get rid

of my picks? I would love at the very least my like, why don't you just wait and see who's still hanging around when the first round's over forty four and ninety nine, because you're gonna miss out on some players. If you would have traded up to eight, you would have gotten jac Horn. Oh, and then a forty four and ninety nine day. It will get you up to pick thirty four. So I've got ways to get you to twenty seven, to thirty and to thirty four. I'd

be okay with thirty four. You sit there and wait for Richie Grant if Merrick is taking I'm glad we're having this. And that's another thing I know, I think, which I was furious when they did that because I wanted the extra pick, but Tank turned out to be pretty damn good. I like all the picks too, trust me. Hey, I'm just dan, you gotta lay out some scenarios here

while the Jaguars are picking. It took Tank a minute to be worth that, by the way, Like, you didn't really start getting that production out of him until it was time to pay. Yeah, because you know broke his foot. Man, Yeah, yeah, it happens. I get it. I get it. So for Jacksonville here specifically, are we thinking Balmore? I think, oh yeah, they could do a ton of stuff. I mean, running

back just went. What if you put Trevor Lawrence with his old running back, Travis ET's e N. Maybe Rishad Bateman, Maybe we'll get a wide receiver. Yeah, help out in Bateman. But yeah, I mean I like Bateman. Fine. I just Oh, Roger Goodell's back in his chair, by the way, Oh my god, he is reading the card from his chair much like he did in twenty twenty. Let's all throw it back to twenty twenty, everybody, great, think about a year, right, let's not go back chairs. You did you read beforehand?

Did you read what the pick was? Because with the twenty fifth selection, the Jacksonville Jaguars reunite Trevor Lawrence with mister Travis Etn from Clemson. Man just had a good feeling there. I don't know, I think you read. No. I actually saw it right after I threw it out there and saw it. Okay, I got lucky. That's good. Good for you. I mean Etten's fun and there's your game breaker. And this doesn't I mean, James Robinson, that's a good backup running back now that you have at

n because at ten is he's your game breaker. Guys, sixteen of his seventy eight touchdowns came from forty four yards or more. He's fast. I know that's a wild stat with not a lot of like round numbers, but sixteen of his seventy eight touchdowns in college almost fifty yards or more and obvious, I mean, there's gonna be an adjustment to the NFL there. You're not gonna house every run from forty fifty sixty. But his his acceleration, like the speed which with with which he gets from

like going to gone is so impressive. It takes him like no time. It's very roadrunner, you know. Just you know, another thing about him is he got better as a pass catcher as he went on in college. He had a rough first year, there had some drops. He got better as a pass catcher and that was an emphasis of him in the off season. Kind of talked about that.

So you kind of look at the weapons now for Jacksonville, James Robinson, we talked about They added Marvin Jones from the Lions, they've got DJ Shark still who's still Okay, that's a chart. I always called him Shark. He was in the Pro Bowl like two years ago. Yeah, you know Leavisca Chenalt is there still there? Yeah, drafted him. They always have a lot of like Keeling Coals of the world, you know, just coming out of the woodworks

and have a few good games. So, like, I don't know how good they're offen line is, but he's definitely got skill players to work with. It's pretty fun, you know, and hey, make your number one quarterback. Make him happy if again urban Meyer, I don't know. I don't dude. Thinking about the read option stuff. They're gonna be able to do it in college, and that's what urban Meyer

wants to do. I like this pick a hell of a lot more than I like the Naji Harris pick, and I like Nagi Harris more than I like Travis Etnke sense. What you're saying makes it makes sense though. By the way, this is the only the fifth time since twenty eleven that at least two running backs have gone in the first round. I mean, of course, in a league where running banks you talk about shelf life. The shelf life of a running bank isn't necessarily what

it used to be. Key, And I mean there's two right there going off the board in the first round, probably be the only two I probably would think. So, I mean, Javonte Williams, Michael Carter Willis, could you know he could sneak in there if somebody likes if the Bills are dead set on drafting or running back, maybe feel good about it. Yeah, Cleveland's up now and all the picks already in. The Browns have a pretty good year.

They're the home team, so the crowd's gonna be going nuts there at the draft in Cleveland tonight, and it does look like a great setup. I feel like we've been saying this for every pick for like six picks now. But they just cut Sheldon Richardson. That's oh, Davian Clowney and Miles Garrett are on the outside, and you put that's what I wanted to do in the mock, and Bucky stole it from me. Bucky stole Barmore right out from under me. And I was going to draft him

to Cleveland. I mocked unfortunate on Mossouri key to them, but a head Barmore gone to Tennessee already. So yeah, so Barmore would make sense. So I liked that. You want to do another water burger bet? What are we betting? It's just out there. Did anybody did anybody lose the other one? No? No, no, I got it right. Oh that was Las Vegas. So so you're who said Barmore first, man, I'll give you that. Hey, yeah, I got I got Barmore going. Okay, I'll bet you a Patty Milt. I

think it's gonna be j okay. Oh, either one would be fun. I think it would be ja okay. Going to Cleveland. I will say, even though that's a secondary need, he's the top player of my boy. I'll just I can hear people saying this from home. You're talking about Rousseau. Oh well, okay, if they like him, that's fine. His his testing. I know, he's only a one year deal. He doesn't bend like his He could learn how to

bend over it. Connie plays inside a lot. Okay, that would be an interesting clean that's my water burger bet. Pick See, that's far verse Rousseau, at least lately, at least lately for oh, by the way, we lost Art. Oh there he goes it got back. At least lately, the Browns have done a really nice job of drafting best player available, right. I mean, they've done a really good job, and they don't have a ton of holes on their roster. They could use a corner two Newsome.

This is right around the Newsom sweet spot. Greg Newsom hanging in there for sure. It isn't bad that I've let his injury history worry me. We all have our own viol there's no way around it. Because his tape is great. I still think Barmore is the best. If i'm them, I'm picking Barmore. I just that sounds so much fun to me, is pairing a guy who can

do stuff like that with those at Drushers. I mean, if you really want to make that front seven nasty, just straight up downright nasty, that's what you would do. Pick is in the commissioners at the podium. But he is promoting something. You want to read it, Katie, Sure, not before not before the commissioner. We got slapped on that wrist for that. Sorry, I apologize, but you could.

I mean, whenever it pops up here twenty six Pick, I mean, just the next couple of teams along the way, the Browns, Ravens, Saints, Packers, Bills, Ravens again, and then the Buccaneers rounding out the first round. So we're getting close to the end here. We've mentioned it time and time again. I want to make players here. I want to make a point when the pick is in, when

we finally see who this is. Here, you go, kat Okay, with the twenty sixth pick in the first round the twenty twenty one draft, the Cleveland Browns select a player and we will tell you when we're you're allowed to giving a speech here, I will tell you when I can. He's going to be in the NFL. Wow. Greg Newsom cornerback. Northwestern only played three games in twenty twenty, only had nineteen total college games. Man, you see the technique, You see the fluid hips, you see the way that he

doesn't allow much separation. I mean, he's an excellent cover guy. The athleticisms there. Your question comes to this. His length is not of the guys like certain and Horn and Farley. It's his length is in the realm of Elijah Molt the corner from the slot corner from Washington. Who's some one to play at safety and then he suffered a season ending injury in each of his last three years. And also he got flagged a lot. He had a lot of penalties, and I don't think anybody talked about

that leading up to the draft. I didn't hear that being talked about him, like we talked about j. C. Horne. Okay, his little grabby gets flags sometimes with Greg Newsom got flacked a lot too, but he only gave up one catch of more than ten yards last year. So like he just doesn't he's sticky. He does not allow separation. I think we just didn't talk about it as much because we didn't think he was a realistic possibility for them.

But it's something that I've heard about for sure. This is his range, this is you know, we've talked about how unpredictable this draft is. This is the area gay like Greg Newsom should go. I mean, there's a lot to like with the player, and there's a good chance he outperforms his draft position because again, he does not give up separation and he just does a great job.

He reads routes quickly, you know, d injuries though, like you just three years in a row thatn't finished the season, that's problem, Okay, which what I was gonna I was waiting to see if I was waiting to see if Jok would be the pick there, and he obviously wasn't. So he's the best player still around, right, Yeah, not either close. I mean, what are people concerns with the Jok? Wondering what to do with him? Too small? Too small,

not knowing what to do with him? And when I say too small, I just mean, you know, if you're asking him to make one hundred tackles a season, he weighs like two hundred and five pounds. Yep. I'm not saying I have a problem. I'm just talking about the league. I don't think any of us here necessarily have a

problem with it. By the way, we are moments away from the post draft press conference that will be starting soon, which I always wonder about that, Like if they start the presser, that means they're done for tonight, yeah, which they usually don't do it until after the first round is over, so we'll see what happens. Way they wait for us, we get some good picks coming here, and

we do have some really good picks coming. They're not gonna wait, we would we will pitch live to it whenever we can, and then we will back up the post draft press conference before it is before we get kicked off. If we get kicked off, I'm just okay. So guys that are still hanging around again, you know, you know, I don't want to trade up boys targets, which and that's it bums me out because like, I don't think they would trade up for Jay. Okay, I

know they love. They don't mean too. They just drafted Michael Parson. Well I'm not I'm drafting him to do something else, but that's true. American Richie Grant, Azizolari, Azizo Jilari, Eric Stokes cornerback from Georgia's Hunt, Elijah Molden from Washington, Melofon Wu. You know, I don't think they would go a debo at forty four, but Richie Grant and America

is kind of where my attention is right now. And I would say this, Christian Barmore and On zourik the defensive tackles, you know, those are those are guys who have got on my mind because this kind of takes you out of the mix of the Nick Bolton's of the world. Uh, the Jabril Cox, the Baron Brownies can't take you out of that those which it's a bummer for me because I love all three of those guys. But those guys are done, like Cowboys aren't drafting them now.

I'm looking at my defensive ens, Basham Turner trying from Washington. I'll love Joe Trying trying. It would be great. I mean, Marek's still available, but that I think that's just kind of a pipe dream if you're not going to trade up and try and go get somebody. Eric Stokes, I know, was a guy they like a lot, and they had talked to previously, Javon Holland out of Oregon. Believe they Campbell they talked to Campbell as well. That's what I

was gonna say. One of the number one things I've learned and doing the draft Marvin Wilson, is that Baltimore always takes good players and they pick at twenty seven and thirty one, They're gonna get two studs here. Oh it's gonna be jail jail. Okay, makes so much sense for Baltimore, would make a ton of sense. They see they're celebrating right now. They need a wide receiver, they need a bigger This Bateman I think makes a lot of Baltimore because you know they have Marquis Brown. Um,

you know they still run Willie Snead out there sometimes. Um, but like, who's the other the Miles gasking, No, no, no, that's that's the Dolphins. It's the other it's and that they did just draft Devin DuVernay last year. He didn't do much as a rookie. You get to play much. You're still hoping Hollywood Brown turns into something. But they are a bigger guy, an an Quon Bolden type of they had they well they and they went and signed Dez and during the season Bateman would make a lot

of sense. Fun it's Brian brings this up. Maybe he just infected my brain, but like he probably did. We sit here picking at ten, you know, the Cowboys picked at ten, and we're just like, oh no, like they're gonna get wiped out. We don't love our options. Baltimore is way down at twenty seven and we're like, I love all of these players that they could pick, Like it always works out for Baltimore for some reason. And

they've got two picks at it. They got two swings at it because if they don't go j okay here, they could go out of my thirty one if heat makes it that far. The Saints are probably gonna go with a Sante Samuel Junior. You would think at twenty eight they're desperate for a corner. They've made that perfectly clear. Put him on the other side of I'm blanking on Latimore, who only has one year left on his deal. By

the way, Yeah, I think they would. I think they're pretty locked in on a corner there, unless they want to go with Stokes or Campbell. I mean, they could go with either one of those guys there, other than maybe Alex Leatherwood. We haven't been floored by a pick tonight, right, I Mean it's more just like the order of operations tonight in the Trey Lance thing and then what happened, you know with the Cowboys really with the trade down, I mean those the most the Cowboys are part of

the most intriguing stuff. And I'm not saying that because that's who we cover, you know, yeah, for a living. I'm just saying it's kind of like it wasn't shocking when J. C. Horne went to Carolina at eight and Leatherwood is the which you know, maybe I'll eat my words. I thought it was gonna be which there's still you know, there's still some picks to make. But Kedarius Tony was the other one that was a little bit like, oh okay,

surprised me. I mean, maybe to see him go as high as twenty was a little surprising, but division rival. I thought he had a real shot at being a first round pick though m Ravens on the clock, still waiting on that pick to come in and as they try to stretch this thing out to eleven PM Central time, that's what they do. By the way, I'm looking at the Cowboys Pro Shop. You can go on line and

the Parsons paraphernalia is available. At least based off of what I'm seeing on the pro shop, it looks like Michael Parsons is gonna be wearing number one, unless that's a placeholder. That's a placeholder. That's the I don't know. It says Michael Parson's number one. Nike games like the description say number one, so it very well could be.

It could be a place will holder number first round if he can't get eleven, Number one would look pretty slick, really good Baltimore and it is Rishad Bateman, wide receiver from Minnesota, and you know, it's exactly what we're talking about. It makes sense, and that's I think I mocked him there. I think it's just some of those deals where it's like, Okay, here's something that makes way too much sense. Good consistent career.

He opted out after a few games in twenty twenty, had fifty one catches as Ashman, up that to sixty as a sophomore, but he only played five games this year. He actually they wanted him to move to the slot and he had a lot of bad quarterback play, which you remember two years ago that Minnesota team was pretty good,

the PJ. Fleck team, good hands, good size. The thing there's a few things that would say about him is I don't know that the separation is always there with him, Like he's not incredibly fast to me, and I think his testing time is probably fine, but you know, he didn't always get a lot of separation. But that tough, physical wide receiver type who would flash a big player here and there. He would have some crazy circus catches now and then, you know, the polished type of guy,

but he's just not you know, a pure separator. Yeah, that's a good player. He's gonna win as a true X. I mean time speed may not have been great during his workouts, but that didn't stop him from hauling in I mean, fourteen deep passes in twenty nineteen by Pro Football Focus standards. So overall, I mean, Bateman is one of those guys that can win downfield. He's got the size, he's got the speed two of somewhat extend. He wasn't going to light up the forty time. I mean he

still ran a four for one. Yeah, but he's not gonna be He was never a speed guy. He's a guy that's gonna win to go now like ready, oh hell he'll ball. He's way more polished than Kadarius Tony is. Yeah, you know. So, I mean it's a good pick, and they know Baltimore looks like we'll pick again at thirty one. So we're gonna go to the We're gonna go to the presser as it is already started, and I'm gonna let Steven talk about the trade if you don't mind

himling that way more. No, I think we were sitting there at ten and obviously we didn't want to go too far back because we did really like Micah and we didn't want to get in a position where, uh, we didn't think we could get him. So Philly had called, and we knew what they were trying to do. It was obvious they we're trying to get in front of the Giants and uh and get the player they were after. And really felt like that, uh, you know, we knew

what they were gonna take. They told us what side of the ball and and then felt like we'd get through the Giants and still get our player and pick up a third round pick. Did you kind of think that even if they didn't take DeVante Smith, like he was going to be in the division anyway, He's probably going either the Giants three exactly. We thought he was going to be one place or another. We had actually had conversation to a Philly a couple of days ago

about this. Is there hesitation trading within the division like this, which the Eagles a little more so than any other team around or is it? No? Not if that's the trade the trade which answers your question, you're looking for the value value there and so there was no, that wasn't a hesitation. That's but that's probably getting name a little tight there when you got through or four other considerations. You're trying to get the most value for the pick

and get the best player. Of course, at the same time, we had our ass even said we had our al Michael, and didn't want to get too far down that road to go there. We could have had a posture there of taking it on down. I'll go ahead and address my part of this conference has agreed upon here at this time. But we could have gone ahead and really worked at moving on down and around and picked up

more picks. And that was a possibility there and remained because the quality of the players that were there on the board. But we had resolved that and had thought in general we had the tenth pick, and boy, we want to get a unique or a player of the substantive relative to his upside sometimes what we could do

with him. Michael addressed that, but we just didn't have the stomach to risk losing him relative too of our evaluation on him, and so or otherwise you might have seen us make two or three smaller trades and move on down and still be in the money, but not in his kind of money he was, or how much time did you spend anticipating what was going to happen in the cornerbacks at eight and nine and think about trying to inch ahead of eight and nine A lot.

We've been talking about the quarterbacks being gone at eight and nine since for days, but certainly today within is the day coming, and we intensively talked about the possibility all day long and be ready, and we're really there were no surprises here or no consternation about that under certain circumstances, we wanted to make this pick for this place. We add to that, Mike, as we were really pleased

with what was on our board. I mean, obviously you know the need you know, stuck out a little bit with the corners, but you know, we had some players that were rated ahead of the corners on natural grades. But so we felt comfortable waiting conversations with it. Number six, but let's talk with the team. At six, you get ahead of eight nine, No, we weren't wanting to give up what it would take to get up there. It's a how surprised me, I guess you've learned surprised me?

I will answer that it was not as long as we got. Frankly, what we got done. We didn't want to spend anything to get up as long as we can get him to go get those corners. We did not imagine if what we got to move two spots back, what it would have cost to go from ten to six. Yeah, raided higher than the corners on your board. Yes, yes, yes, definitely. Now you know you got to say that every year. Well, the only thing I can do is what would you like to walk down I'll tell you what I'll do now.

I'm not gonna let you walk down trip free. Okay, if you've got a thousand, we want a nast We'll just both walk down there together and have him turn I'll tell him turn the lights off to you get there, and we'll clipping out. Y'all have your ya right or not? He was. I mean, Mike is a dynamic player, and I think clearly when you you watch him play, he's a multi positional player. I mean, you obviously can play on the ball as a linebacker, has natural pass rush skills.

I mean that that's something you know, we were talking about really about the last ten days preparing for you know, what was going to go on after seven in this draft. You know, obviously playing off the ball. I mean, he's an impact rusher inside and outside. You know, you can play in the bubble, you can play behind the three technique, so there's you know, he gives us a lot of flex ability to you know, to line up with the

other linebacker. So he's a dynamic he's you know, he's a pressure player and he's definitely gonna make an impact for us on defense role he can't I mean, he could train with those traits. He definitely has DPR traits, There's no doubt about it. Obviously see him play off the ball mostly the in Penn State. But that is definitely That's what I was referring to as having natural pass rous skills. So and once again I can't say enough. He's dynamic. He can play the sam, the mic and

a wheel. Um. You know, whether he's covered up in the bubble or you know, whether he's playing to the open guard or if he's playing the DPR. So he just gives us the multiple looks to get in and out of different personnels. Obviously a good matchup player too. I mean it's obviously his speed and ability to cover so is a great piece. His presence changed the plan for Ken O'Neil may he played more safety earlier than you guys initially were indigenous. I mean, you know, once again,

you don't line up with just eleven. You know, you're definitely when you look at the playing the game and we get in the regular season, you're gonna be playing with teen fourteen, fifteen starters. So it gives us multiple personnel group flexibility. You know, same with Neil. I mean, these guys to be able to come out of the back end and come up and play the world linebacker, the Dine linebackers, so a lot of flexibility there. How much of what you did tonight affects what you could

do with Bandaris on Monday. Doesn't think it makes us better? I mean it makes us better. I mean you know your base defense where you played with three linebackers off the ball or two off the ball, one on the ball. I mean it's just once again I'm trying not to be redundant, Harry just be gives it's tremendous position flexibility. So and it definitely makes Layton and Jalen better. But from the financial end, with the fifth ye option, I

don't think it affects it. And then no Maka decision on Layton, and we will, uh, you know, make that decision when the time comes, and we've got some discussions to have on that period. Yeah, that's no bearing on Tuesday. That weather a player opted out was definitely a consideration in the draft. How factor in tonight? And I guess on the flip side, what did you like about Mica so much that that didn't stop you from taking him? Well, his makeup, his way he approaches the game. H was

Uh was an attention getter. Obviously physically he is a freak. And you've heard it and you've said it, and you said, he really has that And just my perspective, I wanted a player there that really impacted strategy, that had a way for us to load it up and give give you know, just just give unique problems because of the nature. So he gives us that kind of upside. Uh. And he's got the right he's got the right approach to making that happen. And uh, I've I don't envision anything

but and Mike keeps going back to it. We just got better. We just got better. We might have gotten better just by circumstances. Then we even could have managed to get better by going with him as opposed to with a corner at this spot. Was the thought about trying to get back in the first round after you

made the decision tonight, No, no, we're not. Now our phones are open if if and people are calling and now so I've had them and we've had them, would you like to get back in the first round those kinds of things and so, but we haven't entertained that.

Don't anticipate that. While it wasn't surprising that the corners were gone the way you guys mapped, I wasn't still disappointing to see them go, considering those guys were even if they weren't as highly rated on the board as part Well I will speak for myself there, but uh any uh, any uh bit of any bit of sensitivity about them being gone had been talked over carefully and

with complete honesty within ourself. We thought that Parsons would immediately turn the light on for optimism about what we could do with our offense and so um when we saw that certain and uh Parsons was there, well we knew we had where we had was going to be a good time for us there. But bottom line is that I can tell you. From my standpoint right now, I'm excited to get that rare individual with that rare attitude that he's got. I'm excited about having him on defense.

If you've got to get up there and draft at this level, I'm excited about what he does for us. He can do. He can do a lot of damage or impact to the identity of this defense. He has that type of talent and rare skills, and so that's good.

I don't want to take away from any other player that might have been out there, but arguably being that have that kind of stature is where we had him graded on our draft board as a defensive player, and he's it's it's it's it's production, but it's also you've got to look at the physical advantages that he has in this game. See a leader. What kind of leadership do you expect him to bring and develop into over the course of his time here. I look for him

to develop as a leader. I look for our whole lockerm to develop some role as a leader. We talked about this as a team actually today in our team meeting. Your leadership is a responsibility for everybody. I mean there's different types, different styles, but you know he'll definitely come in as a rookie and have the opportunity to grow as a leader. I said, y'all investigate the quote unquote character concerns with the allegations or whatever else. And he

had up there. We did a tremendous amount of homework. We felt really good about anything he had that there might be a concern about. We did backwards, forwards, every which way you can do it. How do you feel about the corners in general that are still available in this corner class? You know, obviously then he thought you'd get one in the first round, but I feel a lot of picks in the second, third round. How do you feel about we can still be out there for

your definition? I think we feel good about it. I mean, we've done a lot of work on our board, and that's why we followed our board when we picked Micah. And I think there's a lot of good football players that we you know, that we can get out there. We've got, you know, five picks and the top hundred picks, so we should really be able to improve our football team.

And I do think there's gonna be some great opportunities to fill that corner need at some point, guys, what is it do for you to have that many picks on Day two? Is there ability to potentially move up and package all these picks that you have, or just to take advantage of the sweet spot in the draft? You know, anytime you're in our situation where now we've got the you know, the high end quarterback that's getting paid like a high end quarterback, which he so well deserves.

We've got obviously some great players in the offensive line that are getting paid. We've got d Law, We've got to Zeke, We've got to you know, we need draft picks. We need draft picks that we can have come in here and really make a difference. And I think that's what we can do. We've taken a lot of pride in the way we've drafted over the last ten years, and I think we put a lot of work into our board in terms of how we've set it up.

And I think if we just stick to all the work that we put in into it, in particular our coaches and our scouts here, Jerry myself the last three or four weeks, and then of course all the work they put into it over the past year, I think we're gonna get really good football players, and uh, I think we just gotta, you know, keep you you know, just keep steady in the boat and make the picks. Jerry Stephen, were you guys at the Cotton Bowl that Mica played in? Were you guys at that game? I

was not. I was not at the game, but we were aware that he had played in the Cotton Bowl and we're reminded of that that he had. But I want to say one other thing here too. We did have including him, not that we were going to do it, but we had four other scenarios that we would have if if at the time of our pick, if both those corners had been there, that we would have done

something else. We had four different scenarios that now it we were missing something in that conversation and that's what the other clubs were doing at that particular time, but scenarios that had us moving forward, and we had Okay, we'd be moving forward. We could always use the pick if in fact he's still there for Micah and then move on into it. So when you asked the question about what's left and the draft looking forward over the next few days, if we've we've really give aired that out,

good and we're ready for that. Michael, did the draft last year? I guess if you made Jerry, you want a yacht? Did the draft last yoon? I guess wherever else when you aren't a yacht? How good was it to being kind of normal in a sense? This this going around with the draft. I mean, clearly, there's so

much better. I mean it's been in person, and frankly, the draft process leading up to the draft I roll or I think when you have a chance to be in the same room with the scouts and you know, do all the readings in person, you know there was so much more productive. I mean, because there is a camaraderie to building your board. You know, when the coaches and the staff, personnel staff comes together and then you

have the final meetings. So that whole process is I think we all needed it a lot of times with our team. We didn't get a chance to do it this year. But when I visit with the team when we first go to training camp, but one of the things I say to the team is I've been blessed and I could be anywhere in the world I want to be, but where I want to be is here kicking this camp off. With you, and I feel the same way about some other things that we do with

the Cowboys, and one of them is draft day. And so if I could pick any place I wanted to be, then I was sitting in it tonight. Because I'm not saying that's any other place, but that is a nice little place to be if you wanted to be someplace. But the point is that we're all here empty in our buckets for what we love to do, and so we're making that choice. And I want to put empty mind being around the draft room, empty mind being at

training camp. And I'm reminding I'm not going to tell you I was looking at there, but that's a party that we have out there to nobu in California. I'd like to be sure and go to that time to time. We get it a few more times, y as you're into your bucket the day and get prepared for the draft,

where you like us. When you heard of the Aaron Rodgers news and Mike, you know just what's going on with up in Green Baity, y'alls take a path from draft and that shock you, but that yes, yes, both, Oh, I mean I think it's it's like everything in this business. I mean, I don't think anything ever surprises you. And you know, things like that go on, you know, conversations I think are always going on when it comes to

player acquisition. Obviously no one knows the you know, the impact that Aaron Rodgers has made on the Green Bay Packers. But yeah, I didn't really give it much thought. And you know, obviously I didn't see anything happened today, so it's good news story. I ended up. Jerry wanted to get in on an action. I'm so much attention up there and you know everything with Quad running the Cowboys. Jerry told me when I got her, all news is good news. So uh, he's better. You can answer this

one a lot better I can. I found it's better to sturb a little stuff up than it is sometime to make it run smooth, and you'll go with that. Actually I was calm, but we were talking about our relationship, our media and what have you, and uh, I won't I won't bake the thing. But I was talking about I've had it as rough on me as anybody there is.

But the facts are that enjoy my relationship with the media, and I found to be most of the time at the right time to be good folks, real good folks have been good to me most of the time, have been shot at any anybody. Well, we feel the same way about you. It was but but exactly. But I said, don't get this your best friend. If it's gold that story, if it's he'll he'll get out there. I promise you

that we understand, Mike. There are no flashbacks on the Brett Farm stuff that you guys had to go through up there when they are and stuff came came about. Uh. Um, that was an experience that um, God help me out, Jerry, Well, I will, I will do. I'm gonna mess you up out of you guys, uh and advise you. I believe i'd stay away from that one. You're a little too close. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for the ill. Get fine. I'll get

fine for tampering if I come in on it. But I'm not too sure with your background up there of what it was a long time to be evolved from that. A long time. Hey, that was then this is now, Yes, right, I'll focus on the cowboys. How how did you work through the potential mental obstacle of tracting a player who opted out? And it's been so long since his most recent game film. How did you guys come to feel comfortable with that? You had to? I mean, I think

it was part of the evaluation process. And I you know, I give Will and the whole personnel style so much credit on just the way they laid it out, and you know, we had all the information. Jerry spoke on us the other day. The medical frankly was the hardest part um. I think, in my personal opinion, you have to look at each player individually. You know why they opted out because they're there are so many different circumstances.

I think you have to look at it. You listened to it, and but you have to evaluate the information that you had. And we feel great about having Michael joined our football team. To make some comparisons to Bobby Wagner for him in the dan Quinn scheme. Can you see that? I mean, is that kind of what he could be for a dan Quinn defensive scheme? Yeah, I

don't exactly recall Bobby. You know that the pressure player he was coming out, But I think Bobby Wagner as an extraordinary football player and he was one of my favorite defensive players to compete against. You know, we had some battles against that Seattle defense, and he's a really good pressure player. So I do think it's a good comparable because you know, they'd never really asked Bobby to go what you know, why go wide and play the

sam DPR. But I'm not saying he Quentin, you know, because that wasn't part of the scheme where you know, we do he mikeel does have an ability and that's definitely part of our defense that we will carry over from last year. Mike, I mentioned on our call, I think that he only talked to the team once virtually between not having the thirty day visits and only having that one with him. Is this the least y'all have gotten to, no personal or directly a player who you've

drafted in the first round. I think it's fair for anyone, right, I mean, yeah, you know, we didn't have the combine, we didn't have the the thirty five visits. I think that's sacred, Mike, you would be fair. Mikey reference on Tuesday, speed and energy couple traits you're looking for on the defenside ball. I assume that that Micael helps in that area you've been trying to Bingo. I mean I don't know how better to say it. I mean, he's he's

got unbelievable speed and energy. He plays the game that we where we want to play on defense, the way we're going to play on defense. And you know, outside of his ability to be an impact player, he goes and gets the football. You can see the pass coverage. I mean, our number one focus is turn over. Their differential always will be every day, and we just added a player that that is outstanding at going and taking the football away or hits on the football. He's an

impact player. Stephen. You've not got a big bundle of picks coming up. On the one hand, there's some logics say and give us the most darts and give us the most chances. On the other hand, there's there's some logic cap wise to packaging those picks and trying to get a little more quality instead of quantity. Cap Wise logic would be to take each one of them, because that gives us the opportunity to, you know, have very valuable players at a low price and hopefully they beat

out veteran players and that type of situation. But if the right guys sitting there and uh, you know, we want to go get a guy certainly gives you the ammunition to make a move. If we see a guy, hey, that's this is the gay we want. You know, we're still about eight nine picks out. Don't think he'll make it to us. Let's go get him. And we've done that before. I mean, we're certainly not opposed to doing that. Just cost so much up in that top ten to

move slots. And of course, you know, our bigger thing was we knew those corners could go, but they were still sitting there, and they were still sitting there. They were still sitting there, and we, like Micah Jerry Micah said he'd like to continue to wear number eleven, obviously not a traditional linebacker number that's changed in the league. What's your would you like would you be okay with that?

And what's your thoughts on the guys be able to wear different numbers now than they have in the past. But I was big on eighty eight last year, had a per reason, a great friend of mine I lost him that was a grade eighty eight player, and then of course just eighty eight. I'm not there on this matter on a personal basis at all. I will say, though there's a lot of a lot to consider. As you know, we do a great job of our players

and their visibility and their identification with their numbers. We do the Gum Boys, DoD and so there's other considerations that are made there and those guys have to uh negotiate those changes and so sometimes it's a good deal, good enough deal from the want to change. Sometimes it isn't and we usually as you know, between players, let them work that out between players one once got it and the others guy, we'll have to if anybody wants nine would have to represent Romo on this side of

the table. For that how would you represent Romo? We would determine how much it's worth to have number nine on so to speak. But we've we are very aware of what happens a relative to the personalities identification with a number, and it's not frivolous, So it'll be considered, It'll be considered, but certainly genuinely consider. But we'll have to be considered in light of some of the other things that you do, and not the least of which is of all the things that are out here that

have that identification with that personality with that number. And we're pretty uh we're pretty sensitive about twelve around here. We're pretty sensitive about eight around here. We're twenty two and those those numbers, and so those are decisions that will make we'll make as a club. Have any plan and let me this, this is a club decision. Have any current players asked that will switch here? Any current veterans asked to switch numbers? We've had a couple. Well,

I wouldn't say asked to switch. What would be entail? Okay, conversations? Yes, fair enough to say, fair enough to say, I'd like to just weigh how you do it and what you would consider, and you'd get one of these out of outside your mouth answers, probably if you're talking to him. Probably if you're talking to him there too. But that's how you do it, and you finally run around and get something done. But it's it's not something that really lends itself to old straightforward Yes, no, do it not

do it's what's involved here. But it's certainly something that's fun to do. You know what, I'm excited about it. I'm excited about it being a something of interest, something creating some conversation, something being a part of it. That's exciting to me. And I'm already impressed that that issue can create interests. That's there, and I not only like it from the players standpoint, but I like it from the fan standpoint. Two things, guys, we're expecting Micah here

for a three pm press conference tomorrow afternoon. And Brad Sham is weight in via text. He was at the Cotton Bowl and he did his research on Mica and thinks the guy's a beast. So if anybody wants for the verification, give brand a call tomorrow. Would bring our own photographers are to be your photographers. Now you can bring a photographer tomorrow. Thank you, thank thanks, thank you, thank you. So that is the post draft press conference

from Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, and Mike McCarthy. After the Dallas Cowboys conclude their first day of the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Micah Parsons, Penn State linebackers selected with the twelfth overall pick. You heard from all three parties

there on just how that went down. It was a trade with Philadelphia going from ten to twelve to select Parsons, and the first round has concluded in the process as the final pick is in and the Jacksonville Jaguars are officially on the clock to start round number two, but Tampa Bay selects Joe try On, the edge rusher out of Washington, which is a really good pick. I think over we're all to conclude the day, and Katie, I know you really liked try On and what he brought

to the table. Now, I like trying I mean, here was a guy I would have considered, you know, on day two. It was interesting in that press conference that you know, the Stephen mentioned, you know, the clear need at cornerback, and he did say that, and real quick the picks before that, Jason Oaf from Penn State went to Baltimore, thirty one, thirty Buffalo, Gregory Rousseau. If it's a Vineman from Miami, Yeah, how about jokingly mocked to the Cowboys at around two? Did you Joe on Tuesday Show?

I just wanted to stick it to Cavanaal, that's fair. Twenty nine the Packers take Eric Stokes, the cornerback from Georgia, which could hurt a little bit. And then twenty eight New Orleans takes Peyton Turner defensive n of Houston. Peyton Turner and Eric Stokes, two guys that thought might be cowboy targets at forty four. So but the fact that he mentioned cornerback. You know, I'm looking at my board and this is just me. I'm if I'm leaving someone out.

You guys, let me know for tomorrow Sante Samuel, who I don't think they would take because a little smaller. I think, yeah, we all agree on that. Elijah Olden, there's been whispers maybe playing him at safety. No, you could play at nickel corner. Aaron Robinson, the cornerback from Central Florida, but still still kind of a more of a slot guy. Maybe you could play outside, but those

the link Malfon Wu from Syracuse. We've talked about him a ton, and then they get into Kelvin Joseph from Kentucky, Paulson Adebo from Stanford, Tyson Campbell from Georgia. He shouted your safeties, no safeties taken on day one. So for all those people in love with married from TCU, Richie Grant from Central Florida, or Javan Holland from Oregon, those are your names right there. They're all there for you.

I think the shocker today that Jeremiah Wosu Coromoa, the linebacker from Notre Dame didn't go Would this team consider him as safety? Maybe it's funny you just brought that up, Like normally I would be ecstatic. Jay Okay, Richie Grant, Javon Holland and Trevon Merrick are all there. Oh, Julari too. Just to throw it out there, you're thinking purely about safeties, and I'll throw in Elijah. I think this team will play him there. I would be ecstatic if they had

a cornerback already in the bag and they don't. And I which I'm not trying to be a bummer, but this is the scenario we talked about, is if they got wiped out a corner early and they had to go with a specific position, where do you find corner now? And that's the thing is, like you gotta find an asap, don't you. Yep? Put up bar More still on the

board and that's top two day pick there. This is the fascinating discussion of like, you know, how how much is it BPA really or how much do you lean toward your need because like I'm even I'm at the point right now. Again, you know, we'll think about this overnight and we'll have a lot to say tomorrow. But I'm sitting here thinking like they're gonna use one of these picks to get up and make sure they get a cornerback. That's what I think is going to happen.

If you're asking me right now late on Thursday night, I think like Tyson Campbell, SEC player, guy who played on the boundary at Georgia against some of the best in the country. Kelvin Joseph as well. You don't have to move up to get those though, do you? Because when you pick twelfth tomorrow, do you want to count on that? You pick twelve, do you want to That's that's almost half the round? Do you want to count on that? And again I'm not asking a long time.

I'm not asking Katie Turner what he wants to do. I'm asked like, if you're the Cowboys and you feel like you've got to come out of this draft with a cornerback that you like, can you count on that? I could see them moving up for Mary before at corner see I And we'll have the positional value discussion again, like what's more important? What do you what would what do you need to address? More edge Carlos Basham and

out there. I'll all right, let me say this. I would rather do that, like if a bar more falls to me, or if if I can get married. And you know, hey, Richard Sherman and Casey Hayward are hanging around looking for work, like if you can't get your corner and you don't have to force it. I know nobody wants to hear that, but I don't want to hear that. But the point is to consider all options. You're right, and what I you know what I would

I would rather. I would rather Dan Quinn call up his old pal Richard Sherman and try to get him here on a one year deal than give away a valuable pick just to make sure I don't get left out in the cold tomorrow night. Especially when do you agree with that or disagree? And if you disagree, that's fine, Katie. What do you think? I'm indifferent because I don't think necessarily Richard Sherman is a good corner anymore. I think he's like I mean, he's been in the league for

like twelve years. Of course he's not what he used to be. I'm not trying to sell anybody on that you're in good shape with four picks tomorrow, let's put I'll say that, Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna have somebody I would say I'd probably disagree with that.

But with four picks tomorrow and some good players on the board, and we mentioned who they probably wouldn't have interest in, like a Nick Bolton, Baron Browning and Jabrill Cox, Pete morn or all those linebackers, they're probably not gonna mess with, right, that kind of rules those guys out. I'm also looking over to the defensive tackle situation with Christian Barmore. I mean, how much does that intrigue you? On? Rozarique trigued me quite a bit. Zericke as well. Right,

we've talked a lot about him. I don't know what their medicals will say. Feeling that Ozerick is going to fall to forty four, I think there's a really good chance he'll be there. I think Javon Holland will be there. I think Levi Anzoique will be there. Well, I have great about those guys. To TVN Jenkins, life holding, start doing start doing math. I mean, to your point, it's only twelve picks, so we can easily name eleven guys. You're right, that could go and like, there will be

a guy that we like. But if we're talking about a specific position that you knew, and like you said that the Cowboys would have to come out with in this draft, you would have to be aggressive. We saw what happens when you sit back. You had both of your guys ripped off of you. We said, specifically, word for word, after the first seven picks, this is working

out great for the Cowboys. This could not have been set up better than here we go, horns off the boards for tens off the board, and now you're set scrambling a little bit at ten. I don't I know nothing, Like I haven't even had a chance to go talk to anybody because we've been in the studio all night,

But I am just from minded of twenty fourteen. They got done with day one and they, you know, they were like DeMarcus Lawrence is probably the last guy who we think can be our right end, and they went up and got him, and I mean it worked out. It was a great decision. What they need is outside corner, though, you know, and that's where like marriage is a safety. But half of almost half of Merrick Snaps came in the slot, and I think that's like an interesting thing.

I mean, you played matchup guy, but you need the outside guy. But what if you think I can get Pulse into debo from Stanford at seventy five. We need to find out how much they like Adbo, how much do they like if you have to melofon because those are the length the guys left in Taxon Campbell as well,

the guys who are lengthy. That's that I think that is the question for tomorrow is is there a cornerback that they're convinced that they have to come away with or are they more willing to just sort of let it play itself out. And me, maybe that's inherent by us on my part, but we've been hammering cornerback for

the last four months. Yeah, and so I have a hard time and uh, you know, in the press conference just now they even said, like, you know, we were pretty disappointed to see the corners go as quick and like if the success Yeah, and we knew it and they did the right thing. Moving back was the right thing to do. Yeah. Oh, I agree with that. At the time it was the right thing, especially if they tried to move back again. I don't have a ton

of beef with what they did. To be honest with you, like you can argue that they should have taken Rashaun's later if you want to, and I don't disagree with you, but they knew they needed to address their defense. I guarantee you. Maybe he isn't the top grade they said he was. He's one of the top two or three grades on their board. I promise you that. Well, if I've gave you us, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, And well they got an extra day to pick for it. So,

like you know, I don't. It's not the play or any of us would have preferred they take. But I don't have a ton of issue with what they did. So they got eighty four from Philly to move back. Yeah, if I told you I could put seventy five and eighty four together and that could get you in the fifty one fifty two range, who are you thinking? Well, I'm thinking, I'm I'm gonna try to double to forty five and fifty one. I'm gonna forty four and fifty one. I'm gonna wait see what I can get. But then

I'm kind of guaranteeing. We're not guaranteeing, but I'm I'm giving myself a good chance to save myself and get an outside corner. If I don't get one at forty four, I've got forty four. I think I'm holding out for Merrick or Richie Grant. Okay maybe, and if Barmore falls in your lap, you kind of got to do that. Yeah. I feel like it's a guy that we thought, you know, starting at like pick sixteen, I was expecting we were talking about, I mean, top players available in order, Coamoa,

then Barmore, probably Olari's knee. We gotta we gonna take him out of there. Then Marrick, then Richie Grant like that, Like there's some good players left. I'm not liking love with any of the corners that are left in terms of you know, what they what they think they might want. It should be fun, man, Oh it's gonna be a block. You guys have fun. There's no doubt about. Oh. We're gonna miss you, Katie. We loved having you here. Tonight. I'll be listening to you guys while I sit on

my couch and drink Miller Lite. Send texts, just harass us for whatever We're well before we go, let's go, ahead run through what happened in that first round just for those of you who may or may not be joining us after seeing some of the coverage here real quick and the other thing too, like we get so fixated on what the Cowboys need to do. You know, Elijah Moore is still sitting there, Rondelle Moore is still sitting there. Terrace Marshall, like, not everybody picking in front

of the Cowboys is gonna want a defender. Yeah, that's good point. We're looking at the top ten picks before the Cowboys keep going, Dave, No, that's basically it. I mean, you know, the odds are in their favor that a guy they like will be there. I just wonder if they want to take that risk that they see if they fall off, they get robbed again. That's basically what happened tonight, which very well could happen. There's the top

nine picks that happened in front of the Cowboys. The biggest note, at least for those Cowboys fans out there, Carolina draft JC Horn first corner and first defender off the board, and then right after that, cornerback Patricks for ten out of Alabama goes to Denver back to back blows for the Cowboys, which brought them to pick number ten. Guess what they traded out. They got pick number eighty four in exchange for the tenth overall pick with Philadelphia

to slide back a couple of spots. With that tiph pick, DeVante Smith goes to Philadelphia. The Giants pick Justin Fields as their quarterback. Or excuse me, that's not the Giants that made that pick. It's the Bears that made. The Giants ended up trading back all the way to twenty. Dallas takes Micah Parsons and then Slater goes one pick later. Those were the two players that were really being debated through other notes. Jam and Davis goes to Washington twenty one.

The Giants take Kid Harry as Tony with that pick that they traded out of eleven. Caleb Farley, the injured cornerback, goes twenty two overall to the Tennessee Titans. That's a fun one to think about. A shocker. At twenty eight. We thought New Orlean was tabbed with a corner. We thought that there was going to be a corner there. Instead, they go with the edge rusher Peyton Turner, which Katie, I know that surprised you. They're not afraid to go

small school. You remember they traded up a few years ago for Marcus Davenport. Yeah, so day yeah, Stokes. You know that's the thing that stokes at twenty nine to Green to Green Bay. The lengthy corner that we're kind of talking about. One more off the board, the length in the athleticism, which yeah, I know a lot of people saw him as a Day two guy, but it seemed like there was enough smoke about him sneaking into

round one. Wait, although I you know he's good man, he and but Calvin Joseph didn't And a lot of people were talking about Calvin Joseph as a Day one guy too, So it all equals out in the end. Hey, baby, he's a potential target at forty four. I think he

could fall a little bit. That would be fun. And then a trio of edge rushers to end out the first round as you've got Buffalo, Baltimore, Tampa Bay going with Russo away and try on a fun little trio to endo out and then thirty three tomorrow Jacksonville back on the clock, followed by the Jets and Atlanta want to thank everybody for being a part of our first round draft coverage. Of course, we've got plenty more coverage throughout the weekend. You can join in on the conversation

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gonna miss you tomorrow. Have fun over the course of the weekend, like you said, drinking that Miller light on your cat. I have a Bruskie for me, but yeah, no, I'm gonna miss you guys too. I wish I could do it, But that's all right. You guys are gonna be in good hands. And then as you guys are gonna bring into fighting, because here comes brought us in Cavanaugh to the mix. Yeah, so it's gonna I'm gonna

get I'm bringing my boxing glad. Yeah, we fun. It was amicable tonight because we're all reasonable people, and so the fighting will start tomorrow, I'm sure. Yeah. Well, it's also starting to become into the Scouts territory. First round picks kind of go either as planned or close to us plan. And now tomorrow things are gonna hit the wall. If Brian doesn't come in here tomorrow with a plan to trade up, I'm gonna be severely surprised. Well, you said plans are are well, he said it at the

beginning from Dwight d. Eisenhower. Plans are only so much right. That's a great point. So hey, you could say that against him if you want to tie a bow around it. Yeah, there you go. Of course, Dave Brugler will be back with us all tomorrow and then all of Saturday along with Jeff Cavanaugh and Brian brought us there. You see back in the war room, a live look is sure there's gonna be conversations throughout the night. So the Cowboys hold four picks. Tomorrow they picked up another one with

that trade with Philadelphia. We will be here for it starting at six o'clock on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network, as we will also be streaming live on one oh five three the Fan. But want to thank everybody again for all of their hard work, Chris Being, Matt Kent, Aaron Gonzalez, the entire crew all in the studio, not even just tonight, but really their

preparation all the way for the draft. You're gonna be the bene beneficiaries of it, the listeners at home, the viewers at home, of some of their great work throughout the weekend, and they of course knocked it out of the park again tonight. I want to thank Kevin kt Turner for being a part of it. We'll hear from him soon as I'm sure we'll do a draft show next week to wrap things up for David hellman, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We'll see you tomorrow, six pm Central Time.

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