Draft Show: Could Melvin Gordon Be The Cowboys' Pick?

about their first picks. Over everybody, everybody will. It's you know, it's college recruiting. It's funny. I'm sick, so of course this week I watched last year's twenty fourteen NFL Draft to have it saved on my DVR. So while i'm yeah, I'm working, I'm doing work on the computer, I'm marching some tape. I've got last year's draft on the background, some background noise, and it's just funny how every pick

there's so much excitement. So you know, when Johnny Manziel was picked Cleveland, oh my gosh, the perspective of a year later, it just kind of puts everything in in perspective. So it's just It's funny how that works. Do you find yourself? And that, by the way, folks, is the voice of Dane Burglar from CBS Sports. I'm Brian broad Us and Kent Garrison driving the boat today. No tiny gym today, tiny gym on assignment. So Dan and I are going to carry. But yeah, you know to go back,

do you? You're one of those guys that and scouts have this problem that they once they do a draft, they forget about those players. You know. I know you went back your tow about Martin and guys, Bridgewater guys you have. But are you able to just separate immediately and say, okay, that's over, put it to bad or

do you kind of follow along it's what happened. It's a little both because you have to part of being a scout, I think is scouting yourself self, evaluating what you missed on, what you got right, and so you can be a better scout and know, okay, well if I missed on we're all going to miss players, right, that's part of the business. It's all. But it's all about batting average, and so you go back and see

who you missed. Last year. I did not have Odell Beckham ranked very high, and so I'm that's a player I'm gonna go back and say, Okay, you know what, why didn't I Why did I not have them ranked high? But then there's also players that I hit on, and so I make sure and address those players as well. What did I like about those players that maybe the NFL teams did not A player like Teddy Bridgewater my number one player last year. You know, teams scared off

by the workout. Teams are scared off by his you know, skinny shoulders, that type of thing, small hands exactly. So it's something that you know, it's important to go back to past drafts and and really study and self evaluate yourself so you can be a better scout moving forward. Yeah, I think you know, it's funny. Every scouting department I've ever been involved with, and the majority of my days

were spinning pro personnel. So I would always I would take those players from the draft and then now they became my guys for the next eight to ten years or so or less some case less. But I always found it funny the scouts when they went back the next year and maybe saw guys at training camp or whatever, didn't didn't have the complete understanding of the They're like, well, I like that guy, and I'm like, no, you didn't. You know you had this guy, you know, and you

show them their notes and stuff like that. It's funny how scouts just they take the draft, they use the draft, they do the draft, and then they move on to the next one. They just totally wash their brain. If you wanted to say, just hit their race button and just push everything out right. So, I totally agree with you about the evaluation part. I think that's really going to be important. And I think that it is we go forward in this and I know you do this when you do all your work, and I do the

same thing. I like to compare guys, you know, I like to say this guy reminded me this guy last year, this guy two three years ago. And a lot of times scouts don't do that. They're just thinking about right now, USC, UCLA, Notre Dame, right, you know, Florida Atlantic. That's all they're thinking about right now. They're not thinking about these kids going on and how they fit well. And player comparisons

can be a little overrated at times, you know. You know, everyone wants to put you know, a square peg or you know, they want to force it. That's not it's not realistic sometimes, But I do think it's important because you look at, like I said, Johnny Manziel, you know, who does he compare to in the NFL? If there's not you know, we can't really point to someone in the NFL that has his size dimensions right his playing style? Well,

is there a reason for that? Yeah, And and there's the reason Russell Wilson fell to the third round because the skills are off the charts. But how many NFL starting quarterbacks are in the league that are five ten and a half? Right? There aren't any. And there's a reason for that. And so player like that fell. And there's an exception to every rule in Russell Wilson's one of those. But I think we're finding out Johnny Manziel probably not one of those exceptions. Well, you know, that's

that's an interesting thought there. There's a couple of ways that you can get a hold of us here. You can get a hold of us at at Twitter at the Draft show. We're gonna do like we always do, the staple of Twitter on the twenty or close to twenty as we can there's also the way of getting hold of us at eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven. Kent Garrison has always built on our program. You can see the numbers, you can see the way to get a hold of us. We love

to take your questions. This is a good opportunity, Dane, and I will be happy to do that and get the information to you. A lot of things going on this week, Dane, about injury, injury talk backs going up and down. You were in a discussion the interactions that you have with people on Twitter at DP Brugler is outstanding. You had some stories about a Jaye and his knee condition. I was able to get some information about that as well.

But let's talk a little bit about some of these guys. Uh, you know, maybe it's up and down boards guys, the boards are starting to be set. But some of those guys like a gi E and also a Randy Gregory, you know, and things like that. And you know, but I'm with you on and I'll let you talk about what you've heard about a Ji and and he's been one of your favorite players exactly in this draft. I mean, he's been a guy that you've championed all along, you're

carrying the flag for him. I've carried the flag for Tevin Coleman, who who himself has had his own his own toe injury problems but was able to work out.

But go go through a little bit what you know about a Jaii and and and I'm tied it into the Cowboys thoughts here because of the need for a running back in this draft, and that to me takes a big piece out of that right this time of year, Yeah, we're you know, a week out, a couple of weeks out, and we start to hear about the injuries, start to hear about because obviously, you know, us outsiders, we can watch a tape and we can grade these guys based

on talent what we see, but the medical information, some of the character stuff that starts to leak out throughout the process. And so with Jaya Jaii, something that teams, multiple teams have deinged him on the knee, they've read flagged it. And this isn't something where a surgery is going to help or he's going to be on the pup list to start the season. He's healthy to play

right now. The question is longevity, right, And this is something that you know his agents trying to do some spin out there and try to, you know, make downplay it. But it's something that teams are concerned about. And he's not gonna go and drafted, but he could slip farther than he should be drafted in the first place. He's to me, he's a top forty, top fifty pick, but I think there's a good chance he might slip to the end of second round, maybe into that third round,

maybe into the fourth round. We'll have to see how it plays out. But teams are concerned. I know one team that just failed. They filled him on his physical completely right. Other teams it's just more of a concern um. And so it'll be interesting see how it plays out. Now, there could be a team that says, you know what, we are going to take the chance that you know, it's bone on bone right now that need there's no not much cartilage, no way to fix it exactly. He

could play one game, he could play five years. We don't know. Yeah, we'll take a Chaemiah Trotter. It was my experience in Philadelphia the ninety eight draft, uh bone on bone Trotter out of Stephen F. Austin. Doctor told me, Brian ten games or ten years, you don't know, so, but that's the chance you take, right exactly. And so he we could see a team in the second round take a chance and say we'll take a chance that

he'll he'll make it through his rookie contract. See that's that's an interesting point because I'm looking at a team like the Cowboys who is not interested so much, and maybe that second year contract of a running back, right, you know, why not just say, okay, we're gonna use him up for the four years and then if if it's fine, well, you know, maybe we'll do something. But if not, we'll just draft another guy. And I think a lot of teams are of a similar thinking when

it comes to these backs. But when you're talking about a second round player, and then when with a GI, it comes on the value. What's his draft value? And so I think we're talking more third fourth round in terms of his value and instead of the second round, which is Tape says, and so I could he still go second round? Shure, it's possible if a team says, you know what, we'll take that chance. But there are concerns.

It's something that teams are talking about and I know Mike Mike Mayock talked about it yesterday as something you know, he confirmed he's talked to teams. They they're worried about the need to I talked to this bunch here there there there there is concerned. And so at sixty if he's on the board, not so much of a slam dunk that we thought about maybe a month ago for JGII there and you know, we didn't think he would make it to sixty. But even if he does, now

there might be a better back on the board. They focus on another player defensive end again a need for the Cowboys are looking at Shane Ray being that type of a player though. Went saw a specialist really calling kind of turf toe, maybe a very aggressive form of turf toe. Um. A lot of teams had him initially

as a top ten type of a player, right. You know, I'm starting to hear things about him sliding down the board because of the surgery or are they teams thought that he might need surgery, but he's gone out and the doctor said no rest. Yeah. I think this is something though that's always going to hamper him though, well, especially in that position. Yeah, exactly, that's it. His best trait to me is his first step. Absolutely, it's one of the best first steps, if not the best first

step in this class. But when you're talking about that, that toe, traditionally it's an injury that that plays guys for years. It does not just go away. And I know, you know, we've talked about it before. How a toe just doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal, but it is. It's something that hampers guys. And so again talking about value, where do you take a chance on this guy? And this is where it gets it gets muddy. Where do you take a chance on Shane

Ray if he's there at twenty seven? Yeah? You know, is is that possible? You can't rule it out? Well, it's injurious. It sounds like to me listen to people talk about Ray that it's split when but you know, still a first round talent might slide through. I want to get into we've we've got We've talked about two thumbs up for Gurley, which means he'll probably be where

what we thought. But let me talk about a boohee the offensive tackle from Texas A and M And I'm starting to hear some whispers I know You've talked to some people as well, did have him pretty high on some draft boards. Is what is it gonna be a pup situation for him or is this something that you know that it's gonna be a total red shirt year that you might have to take a guy in the first round and red shirt and for a year towards a scl in the ball game. So about a month

difference from Gurley. But we're also talking about a player with uh, you know, a little more weight on them, yea. And these knees are all different, you know, two knees are the same. But I think where it's more towards a pupe situation rather than having to miss the entire rookie year. And that's why I think we're talking about

him being a possible first round player. Yeah, and based on talent, maybe top ten player right into his draft, A player that below the waist, his feet are outstanding, right. You love the flexibility lower body, the fluidity upper body. Needs some work. His technique with his hands, his punch needs a lot of work there, but you know coaches will love to get their hands on him because he has the traits that you can't teach. Now that's the feet,

that's the lower body fluidity to mirror rushers. And so late first round, that's what I'm saying now. I was going to ask you this question though, with what the Cowboys have done, right, would a booy be a guy that you knew you could red shirt and play in place of Doug Free in the coming years or something like that. I mean, I mean the Cowboys have a

million eads. And again, the draft show always trying to encompass all possibilities, not going to sit there and tell you have to take a running back, you have to take a ryanbacker, you have to take a defensive in. You have to keep an open mind about this, right, And you said late one, And I wonder if the scouts and the coaches feel feel well enough about him. Again, there's some teams at the bottom of the first round, That's what I'm starting to hear whispers on, much like

you are. And I wonder if some teams are going to say the talent is too good to pass up there with other needs on the board, right, But but he's just that talent of a player. And again, picking at twenty seven, there's a good chance you're going to be getting a second round player or your first round options are wiped out right, and so depending on who's on the board. Absolutely, we could envision a scenario where a boy he's the top talent on the Cowboys board.

That's certainly conceivable. So in that situation, we know what they've done to address the offensive line in the first round, could they do it again for the future in mind? Exactly, because that's what you have to have, the future in mind. With the hearty stuff coming down this week, a lot of people are saying, well, now all of a sudden, the strategy shifts. That's not that's not the case exactly, and you don't draft your top need is not your

first round pick. Right your first round pick, you get the best talent available. See who falls? Do you play the draft board and you just can't rule out a talent like that aggie tackle. Yeah, well, there's a lot of guys that if they start sliding down the board, and Gregory being one of those. But that's off field and stuff. Okay, Ken't has got some calls lined up. We'll go ahead and take a call or two, can't. I'm gonna turn it over to you to grab those

calls right before we go to our break. So go ahead, sure, Mark and Mission Texas. Mark, We're doing great. What's your question. I've been going guys. Drafts is awesome, Thank you. I know, draft coming up week away exciting. But I was wondering, with all the hardy prospection and stuff, is there any free agents up there, decent events that can come in sort of like Mensie did a year ago. I'm thinking along the lines like Big Klan Powers or somebody like that.

Oh listen, I'll hang up and listen. Jo. Yeah, well, I think you know, you gotta be real careful. And I was talking to some of the pro guys about this. With the Cowboys, They've got three compensatory picks right now, and the plan, like you said earlier, it was to draft a guy. I think they're still going to draft. Agree. I don't think they want to mess up their compensatory things by bringing somebody in that might or might not

make this team, right. I don't see right now unless somebody has a June one cut or something like that, you know, that to bring. And I think they're focusing on the draft, whether that is. You know, we we were one of the first ones to talk about Frank Clark. I mean he's had this meteoror like rise through the up the draft boards because people are now figuring out second round talent. For sure, where do you take him?

I think the Cowboys are more interested in saying we're willing to go and draft somebody, then we will to go out and get a veteran guy. Right now. I think you nailed it with the June first. I think you wait and see what happens, that maybe something something happens there where you can go and get a player. But who's available right now? I just don't see a player that's gonna is worth going out and getting. I

think you're right about sticking to the draft. A guy like Frank Clark a third, fourth round, right you know, we know we've talked about his issues. To me. You know, I'm still not sure where personally I would feel comfortable drafting him because there are the issues. But talent wise, you are talking about a second round talent, a guy that he beats up blockers with his hands and he

disrupts what happens in the pocket. So you have a good player who you could get at a discounted price, but there is a reason for that discount and so it's there is a little bit of a you know, worry there, but still a good player that if you can get in the third fourth round, Yeah, makes some sense. I think the Cowboys have really done their due diligence on this player with visits, workouts. They're getting to know

this player. And I had a I thought the fourth round was always kind of a round, and I used to call it the criminal and medical round. You know, where you a gye where Frank Clark, those kind of guy that that was back in the day. I think you're gonna have to take this kid a lot earlier, and I wouldn't be surprised at ninety one depending on

the way the draft fell. If you don't get a first round defensive end, whether that's Gregory Oh, somebody slides down the board to get to them a defensive then their plans have not changed one bit as far as they're going to get a defensive end. But again, I think it's going to be drafted a guy and not going out free agency. Agree, All right, kitt, do we have another call? Yeah? We got Shane and Washington. Shane,

you're on the Draft show. Yeah? Hi? So anyway, I was wondering Abdullah the running back from the Brown guy. You know, he's probably not worthy the second round pick, sure, but do you feel that that's maybe where we might have to take him if he's available. I know he's got fumbling issues and durability might be an issue with him, but again, do you feel he's worthy of a second round pick? I just stopt see him there for the third round. And my second quick question is how does

Ray from Fort Worth get on all the time? Does you have like a special hotline? Thank you? Yeah, thank you because he calls all the time. Yeah, Ray, Rays would our good callers, So thank you very much. A call, Okay, a dress address? Abdula, I mean, we've got some smart callers because I think he nailed it with probably a third round player. But yeah, in this late second round with the Cowboys, running backs might be wiped out. We'll see what you know, Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman, you know

these guys that right, they might be wiped out. So at that point in the draft, you might have to take an Abdula in the lad second round. He might not only be one of the better players available, but he might he obviously fits a need of running back with a duela. There's so much to love about him. He's so quick and he's he's not only quick with his movements, but he's quick thinking. He reminds me of a chess player where he's two moves ahead of you

in terms of beating the defenders. So he can contribute as a pass catcher. I really worry about him in pass pro. That's a that's an area where I don't feel comfortable with him contributing, especially early in his career going up against some of the pass rushers in this league. But in the late second round, absolutely, I think you cannot rule him out as an option. Okay, well, that's good questions, and thank you very much for those early calls. We're gonna get some more calls later in the show.

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little uh inside information. I guess um. Next week we're doing the draft Thursday Friday Saturday on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, the app, all those things, all those great things that you can catch us on on Dallas Cowboys dot Com from the first pick through the last pick, myself, Bill Jones, Dame Brugler, uh, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, Nikki Men, a lot of guys will be coming in and out. We're gonna have interviews with players, coaches, all kinds of things.

That's for you. For Thursday, Friday, Wednesday, we're gonna have a draft show. And what we decided to do is we're gonna dedicate that show to the seven round mock draft. So a lot of you out there have asked if we would do a mock draft the seven rounds. I figure the best time to do a mock draft is right before the actual draft itself, So all hands on deck, be ready for ups and downs. Players there, players not, their decisions to be made, trade charts all different, yeah,

so many different scenarios. And now that we know who's healthy, who's not healthy, where guys sit on boards, it will be a lot easier for us to have a really good mock draft. So look forward to that. On next Wednesday at eleven am Central Time. So with all that being said, with no tiny gym here today, I'm going to turn the show over to Kent. Garrison and Kent give it to us. Yeah, we are gonna take one call before we hit Twitter on the twenty Hare Chandler

in Oklahoma. Chandler, We're doing great. What's your question, sir? Yeah? I have two quick questions, guys. First off, I keep seeing a lot of mocks. They mocked the two cornerbacks, one from LSU from one from Yukon, Collins and Jones. Yeah, and well the Yukon kids seems a lot like just a workout warrior to me, because you didn't hear about him the entire college football season, and then he just

blows up the combine, So that worries me. And then this LSU guy, he has like four starts in his career. I mean, I'm exaggerating a little ten, Yeah, but so how in the world are you gonna expect ten to go from from ten starts, you know, in college and then be a decent foe. And then my second question is, I know it might seem crazy, but what do you think the trade value would be for Dez Bryant Because

he's a little disgruntled. He wants a new contract. We're not really sure if we're gonna pay him the bookoos and money they won. So let's say Jacksonville called with the third pick, or or Oakland with the fourth, and they said, hey, we'll give you this year's four, this year's three, and we'll give you next year's one and

two or something like that. You think that will entice the Cowboys because then they could get a March Cooper and then they'd have a pick next year and be really set up really well to get whoever they want to get next year. So those are my questions. I'll get off the phone things after taking my call. I'm not trading Dez Bryant. I don't care what a team offers me and give you multiple first round picks. I'm figuring figuring out a way. I like the outside the

box thing. I mean, you know, it's one thing, guys, and I really appreciate that call because a lot of people tell you, well, just trade car just trade I mean he's thinking about you're taking a more key player and you're trying to maximize the value of the player, right, And if you're the Cowboys, you're in win now mode. You know, as much as you want to build for the future as well, you also have to keep in mind how many years as Romo have left. You don't

have that quarterback of the future set up. You don't know what's going to happen three years from now. I'm trying to win these next two years. And the best chance of winning these next two years is having Does Briant on my roster and you know, just trying to fill this team with as much talent as possible, but keeping the mark key players like you just said, on the roster. So if you were to make the trade, who would you take at three? Would you take? Was that?

Is that? Is that Fowler? I mean that helps your defensive end spot? And is that is that the route? Or is you take with Leonard Williams be an undertackle? Yeah? Leonard Williams. I think he's the best player in the draft. Yeah, Dante Fowler's right there. I mean, he's see I had Tennessee take and I don't know why. I just thought Tennessee was gonna take Williams. Sarah. Oh yeah, I mean I said I would sure, But I mean, if you

if you did have the third pick. If you you would take Fowler, I would lean towards Leonard Williams get that undertackle. Yeah, I think I think he He's not Sue, but he has some special traits for such a player that's twenty years old. He I think, I really believe he's going to get better and better and better. So and I love Fowler is one of my favorite players in this draft. But I think, did you grab a

receiver at twenty seven? Are you gonna take there? I mean you could look at you know, Jalen Strong, Uh, Philip doors Set Uh, Perryman. Yeah, guys that are nice players that could have a place in this team. Beckham, is he worth the worth it right there? Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm talking about a guy that's potentially late one right. Yeah, No, he'll be in that mix. Um Me, personally, I'm not doing it. I'm training for No,

I'm not give me des Briant a known commodity. Where again, we have a two year window here where I think we have a really good shot at going to the super Bowl, And so I'm going to surround my team with as much town as possible. And now you're gonna ride and that's and that's I think that's the right thing too. But again it's an outside the box thought. Yeah, which, and it's maximizing the best. Do you think that Jacksonville might be bad again next year? Sure? And then all

of a sudden you got another early one. I'm all for draft picks, but yeah, yeah, that'd be proud of you for not trading out of there. And by his original question, uh, Jalen Collins Byron Jones, Yeah, I think he's absolutely correct about Jalen Collins. I do two about Collins. I'm an LSU guy player starts in his career. He agreed. He they gave a chance to start, pulled him off that game. Another shot pulled him off the field. There's

a lot of inconsistency both technique discipline. But when you're you know, six one and a half, you can move like he does. Teams are gonna like those traits and take you early. But you can't rule him out at twenty seven, depending on how the cornerbacks go. Um and then Byron Jones, I get why people say the workout warrior stuff, but his shoulder would have played a lot more. He missed half the season. Yeah, almost all the yeah in October and we missed the rest of the season.

Has shoulder surgery. He was an invite to the Senior Bowl, couldn't participate the shoulder, and he played on a terrible team at Ukon. And if he was at you know, Florida State and he got hurt, we still would have heard about him. Or I mean we knew about him, we just didn't. He's not a name that you know, popped up a lot in conversation, but Byron Jones much more than a workout warrior. His tape absolutely backs up

what he shows. He's a he's a second round player, maybe a late first who's who probably gonna be somewhere in those twenties. See, that's what I was talking about. Fans are catching up to what the scouts knew. Right, we always had that the scouts have an idea that Jones was a first round player. Then all of a sudden, now the scout of the media scouting world is now catching up to the player. Okay, KNT, you got it. Go Twitter. Okay, we got clothes here. Not really, it's

more like Twitter on the thirty. So go ahead, get We're gonna be a lot of questions about these about these cornerbacks. Uh, this comes from Ken Green is off the field issues the only reason Kevin Johnson is ahead of Marcus Peters. I think Peters is a better playmaker. You like Peters a lot, though, I do like Peters a lot, and if if you say he was, you know, the perfect teammate, I think he'd be competing with Wayne's

for that top spot in this cornerback class. Uh, it's just a I love the the attitude that he brings on the field, he just can't really shake it off of the field, and so, um, he's not gonna be on every draft board. But um, you know, in my rankings, I have Wayne's, Kevin Johnson, and then Peter's third. So to me, if it's not for the issues, Peter's probably above Johnson. But Johnson's a good player who I'd love having there at them. I think there's some people that

might even like Johnson better than Wayne. I mean, you're starting, you're starting to hear that. So yeah, I think that. To me, Peters is a guy, and you're absolutely right, a lot of draft boards won't have him. Mean, you got two different sets of coaches at two different programs, exactly. Still talking about we talked about that back in anyway. Yeah, that's that was something. So yeah, I think that he's

a very talented football player. But in my book, Johnson's two, Peterson's and Peters you know, you like him better probably in press. I mean that's absolutely that's what he does best. Not not so much an off man, but with Kevin Johnson, he's shown he can do both. He can do both, man zone, whatever you want to do, you can do it all. Absolutely. This is from Addison. If Buddupree falls between fifteen and eighteen, like some mocks have him, would we trade up at that point to go get Budd debris?

All right, we're talking about having to trade up to get into fifteen. In between fifteen and eighteen, you have to give your second. Yeah, we've done that before. We've talked about the two and the five going to Houston, and we've done that before with the the Gurly trade is what we've done. So once again, Cowboys sitting at six hundred and ten points, Houston sitting at eight hundred and seventy, you're gonna make up those points right there. That's gonna be a two and to five. So if

you want to go. You know, I I think Gurley would be the only guy that I would trade up for. And I might consider trading up for one of the corners, one of the top two corners if that was the case. But I think that the sitting there for just waiting. Let bud Dupree. If he's there, great, If not, you know, move on. I'm with you. If girls, if Girly slips a little bit, he's in there in the mid first Yeah, you need to have that conversation, right, you need to

talk about is it worth to move up? And right it might be worth it. Yeah, girls, that special. I just have a feeling. And there's some teams that might have Gregory over Dupree on their board, you know, so the one that starts sliding might be great. I'm taking a chance that Gregory's gonna slide. Now if he gets past New Orleans those people at thirteen. You know, now you're starting and see I you know that that's gonna be a little interesting to me once he gets past

a top fifteen top of a teams. See where And we talked about it all the time, But having that twenty seventh pick and having twenty six players gonna be off the board before you pick, right, makes it so tough to know, uh, you know who's gonna be on the board for you at twenty seven, Right, So when you're debating whether or not to trade up, you can't guarantee that a first round player or someone that you're high on will be there for you at twenty seven.

So that has to factor into it. I don't know if I'm giving up an opportunity to get Frank Clark with my third if to go up. I don't know. I like Frank Clark that much. Okay, Stephen Mullenax, this is kind of a crazy question, but but it's a good one. If Marcus Mariota has an Aaron Rodgers type slide in this draft, would the Cowboys consider selecting Mariota at their first round at twenty seven at twenty seven? Yeah, not trading up. No, just he's talk about because Rogers.

I believe it was twenty four, right, yeah, right. Ted Thompson had no intention of taking Aaron Rodgers. He was looking defense at that time. I mean, I don't think, I don't I think it's a no brainer. Yeah it is. It's completely unrealistic, but yeah, he's not getting past say the Browns twice at twelve and nineteen right there. Yeah, I don't think he gets out of the top six. But saying that does happen, then I think you need

to get on the phone and figure out. Yeah, exactly, you need to get on the phone and say, well, what's going on? Did he get arrested last night? Exactly? Yeah? So, but yeah, if he's there at twenty seven, yeah, you'd tell you all right, Gordon Harper, this is this is a question to you guys, more about what you guys do in the film room. Which position is the hardest degrade after quarterback? And which do you spend the least amount of time on? Tied end? Is mine in terms

of the toughest, No, in terms of least least. Yeah. I have little patience with tied end play, especially if you can't block very well at the point of attack, or you and you're not getting not getting up to feel very quick, right, I don't. I mean, I have real issues with that. Kickers and punters from me. I spend maybe a few days there looking at an entire year and that's it. That's I just I I need to get better in that as a self evaluator. We

talked about that kickers and punters. I just I don't I'm not a big fan of those guys. How about hard position is to do? Uh? Like linebacker? Okay? For me, it's safety. Yeah. Safety is difficult because you're trying to think about I said linebacker because sometimes you don't know what's scheme. Yeah, exactly. You know, you don't know if if a guy's taught to do, is he's supposed to

stay here and read? Is he's supposed to So you're thinking, are you mistaking uh, lack of lack of football intelligence on you know, his movements and stuff like that, on what he's being taught to do. And you can say the same thing too at safety. Yeah, in safeties, especially today's college football with so many spread offenses, right, it's you know, sometimes these guys that get burned when you know their responsibilities are given just make it tough to

really fully evaluate them. And even when you you're watching the All twenty two, Yeah, it's just tough to really read these guys read. I remember when we were doing Ed Reid in this room. Ed Reid played off the screen. He was off the he was off the screen, and I remember Jerry Jones, and I was responsible for the red dot. Put the red dot where he is? And I was the identifier. And every time Jerry, so where is he? And I do I would put the red

dot afoot off the screen on a taphone. Yeah, the games and Coral Gables and he's playing in Fort Lanel Fort Water. I don't know. I mean that's how you know how part they were? Well? In another position for me on offense is center. Um, because they're so again talking about you know, zone blocking schemes and and and in different blocking schemes that that plays a part and um, you know center, there's a lot that goes into it. Uh, and so much on the intelligence exactly making the calls,

being able to sign it identify me snap. So there's a lot that goes in the center that we can't just necessarily see on tape. Yeah, this calls is from correct, This questions from correct. I don't hear much about the D tackle position. Is this team okay with what they have at D tackle right now? Upgrades? I think there and and and now you have to determine now needs to be the determination of where you have Carl Davis you know if Carl Davis. If you've seen Carl Davis

play as a three. The big thing with these guys about the tackle now, and the reason they would or would not take a guy would be because how many down player is he? Is he a one down player, two down player, three down player? What is he? Right? I think Carl Davis is a guy that when you start talking about other than Williams being that undertackle, you know, I think that you have to think about Carl Davis because I've seen him play the one and the three.

Now again, would they take him at twenty seven? Very well? Could because he would be an upgrade over what they currently have. They like McClain, Terrell McClain, but they want to get a more athletic Nick Hayden right. So to me, the fact that you can play potentially play Davis at the three or start him at the one, I think is something that they would look into. Right. That versatility is key and for a player that's six five three twenty.

We talked about the planet theory. There's only so many human beings on this planet that can move like that, and Davis the production is not impressive. Three and a half Sacks's entire career. Yeah, but he does. He can play the three, he could play the one U and a similar player Malcolm Brown if he falls the twenty seven, which is possible, right, you know, I think he could be in the conversation as well. A player that, in my mind, can play anywhere from the zero side of

the five. You can play anywhere in between. So I think, yeah, you're absolutely right, Carl Davis. If that first round board gets wiped out, got it. Yeah, But I didn't like what mcshaye did with Golden at twenty seven on that ESPN mock right, right, right, yeah, Eddie Goldman. Yeah, don't don't don't believe, yeah that that's not no one. That's not no one who's drafting in that room, right, And nothing against McShay, but if you're gonna do this, don't

pick the players that you would pick. Pick the players you think because again, a Giant is not one of my favorite players. I've mocked him a bunch to the Cowboys, but he's not my favorite player, right. I do it because of them. I don't do it because something with Yelden. For me, you know, I'm not a big yelled in Family's a third round player to me, but sixty, Yeah, that was some mistake on mcshay's park. Okay, ken I mentioned o booie, he might fall into this category. This

is from David Chapman. Who do you think could be this year? Is Bruce Carter or Saun Lee somebody injury prone but has first round talent? Yeah, I think that's yeah, exactly, he's And it's it's kind of ironic because watching you know, he came back for a senior year at A and M, a player that got hurt in his very last game and he took out a big insurance settlement. Sure he almost played. Watching his senior year, he almost played like

he's trying not to get hurt. He did. He did look a little soft, yeah, play a little conservative, and so it's ironic that he got hurt in that final game. But yeah, we talked about a top ten talent defeat or outstanding. There's a lot of base traits that you have there that, um, you know, you can develop a player that's seen time at left tackle, right tackle, he's seen time inside a guard. So definitely in the late first round, maybe even in that early second round, depending

on where he goes. He's gonna be somewhere, probably at top forty mix. I think a lot of scouts like him, coaches like him. Just wonder really what some general managers are thinking about that. This tackle class is funny. Yeah, it's just there's not many options you know, later in this draft, but the first second rounds, you know, guys like Pete and Clemmings and Flowers, Humphreys, Collins. Yeah, there's

so many different opinions on these players. It really makes it fun that you know which one's gonna go first, which one's gonna pan out. The Cowboys selection at twenty seven can have some value just because of the fifth year thing that David, I'd love to argue about it, but also to some of those offensive linemen that you're talking about, Aboue, Clemmings, Flowers, Pete, if he's somehouse stretches that far, maybe somebody wants to get back in there

and grab one of those guys. And we don't. Last year, the first three tackles drafted were better than any of these guys with you, Greg Robinson, Jake Matthews, Taylor of one, we don't have that top ten no brainer tackle this year, but you know there are some options in that late first So you're you're actually right about the value of twenty seven. Okay, knt one mord before we go to break. Sure, Yeah, this is from Kyle. This falls into what y'all are

just talking about. What's the early round You think this team would consider drafting a swing tackle or future right tackle. You can't roll it out of twenty seven? Yeah, you know, you really can't, depending on how the board plays out. Who's there for you? And hey, what do you think about that? You know, I'm thinking I like what you're saying because I see a guy like mid round Chaz Green's Chaz Green, Florida. Chaz Green played left tackle, played right tackle. You said it. He's made a ton of

start you did you're in your book. We talked about him as well in our magazine. Chaz Green is one of those guys who think third fourth round could play both sides, you know, and it's very productive. And I gave him a fifth because the durability scares me. He's been dinged up his entire career, missed all the time. Should be surprised to be wenting the fourth though. No, I wouldn't no, because talent wise, I mean he's he's up there. He's a top one hundred guy for any

talent wise. Yeah, but the only thing said kind of dings him is a durability. So Chaz Green talent wise, swing tackle somewhere third fourth round, right, Yeah, I think that could that could be a good value. I've been keep an eye on that chat on the chat screen. Okay, thanks everybody for playing along with us on Twitter and the twenty Kid. Thank you for all you do for

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Is the dawnas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Swboys back here with the Draft Show. Dame Burglar. Brian brought us Kent and Garrison riding along with you today here getting you ready for the NFL Draft which comes up next Thursday. Once again, we will have a draft show on Wednesday. Levin am Central promises seven round mock draft with all the bells and whistles. We're gonna move this thing up, move it back, stay where we're at, See who's on

the board, See who's not on the board. Get mad, get happy, all those things, all those emotions you feel. This show next week during the draft can be fun. Yeah, it's you know, you have your ESPN, you have an NFL network. This is gonna be a fun alternative. Put it on on the website, you know, follow along. It's gonna be something. Now, well, we're gonna have all the

war room cam stuff. We're gonna have everything up. Like I say, all right, you know Kent and Laurence sokel and and Doug us all our guys that do stuff for us, that next to next door to us in the in the studios here. I mean, we're gonna make sure it's taken care of. And and then you got analysis from from Dane myself, Bill Jones, big time draft study guy, Kevin Turner, Jeff Cabinot from one oh five three.

Both those guys, as you will know if you follow me on Twitter, are always involved with me and watching these players. So there's gonna be a lot of guys who have Uh, knowledge about these players and obviously there'll be a Cowboys theme. But they'll be covering every pick, every pick, you know it all have an opinion on every pick exactly. I will, one way or another have an opinion on every pick. We'll try and get you

ready on that. We're excited though again to to have the opportunity to do that, uh, Thursday, Friday and Saturday for the and the fun part about it, it's instant and you know, it's instant reaction. It's not um, you know what we feel the next day when we've had a chance to let it, you know, simmer a little bit. Instant reaction what we think. So that'll be fun. Well, I always always, I'm always when they watched the draft shows on TV and stuff, and they always go and

interview somebody. Yeah, I'm always like, I don't care, right, I just want to know about that. Who's gonna be the next pick? I don't want to miss any picks, don't there's nothing to talk about? Yeah, you know, but well we'll have we'll have coaches and guests and stuff like that too, So we'll we'll make it a lot of fun and keep it very informative. So we also should we should mention we're gonna have our pick on the show. Yeah, So whoever we pick in the first

round is gonna call in. We're gonna be able to talk to that player, and it's gonna be really really cool. Yeah, exclusive and all that good stuff. So all the bells and whils what Dane grill that that player, Dane will be all right? Well that game, that game at Alabama that time, and you were all right, well, uh I promised you after the break that we were going to take some of your calls. Uh So eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven, I'm getting pretty

good at that phone number. Can't go ahead, and let's go to the first one. Sure, let's go out Westel Passo Dominic, You're on the Draft Show. Hello, guys. My question is are there any fullbacks worthy of a draft pick? And do you think the Cowboys a possibly take one? And then what round? There's a few in this draft? Yeah? Alabama kid, right, Justin Fowler? Yeah, yeah, player like Jim

is a senior bawl a little bit. Yeah, he hits you. Yeah, he's not afraid to hit and get physical, and he's a player that has some carries in his background, caught some passes, so he can be a little bit more than just a blocking guy. But he does like the block. He does like contact, and so you love to see it. Uh. You know a player that's only five eleven but at two hundred and fifty five pounds. Yeah, when he goes downhill, he gets moving, he can clear some run lanes. So

he's the best fullback in this draft, isn't he? I would say so? I think you know in my book, I combine fullbacks in each backs. Sure, so I have Dominic Brown in there, Carlos Williams, Jimmy Mundine, which is another North Texas kid. But in terms of pure fullbacks, there's the top guy this year. Fifth sixth round. Probably some team will get a good player. Yeah, I think the Cowboys. It's funny how you know they went out in free agency and start signing fullbacks and stuff like that.

So I think they'll probably stay away from that position. But that was a good report on the Alabama kid. Okay, Kip, Yeah, Nick and Corpus Christi. Nick, you're on the Draft show. Hey, good morning, guys. I'm kind of kind of a wild one. That's kind of figguredbacks onto that a guy that was on a little bit earlier, I'd like to take a three way deal with the Jets, the Vikings, and the Cowboys. Okay, Cowboys.

The Cowboys would get Peterson and the Jets number four, The Vikings would get twenty seven, Cowboys twenty seven and Cowboys sixty and des Bryant, and then of course the Jets would get Minnesota eleventh and they're forty five. What do you think about that? That would set us up next year super Bowl, not this year. I think Tony Romo could really make a good receiver of the top receiver this year. And I think Jerry would make a big splash. Wow, that's Jerry's interested in drafting and building

his team. The big splash. I think that everybody talks about that. But that would be the biggest trade. And yeah since herschel Walker. You know, it's a three way team. It's that's like NBA life in baseball. Yeah, yeah, you rarely see that in the NFL, but rarely do you see two more key players like Adrian Peterson Brian being part of the same deal. Again, going back to the out of the box thinking, you know, kudos because that. Yeah,

the first time I've heard of that. But uh yeah, I'm with you if if you have a chance to get Adrian Peterson. You know, I'm not including does Brian as part of that. I think you try to get that deal done exclusively from a player like Dez Bryant. But it's creative. I'll give him that. You know, I haven't heard much about Minnesota moving this player and we're getting close to the We're getting close, and you know, I felt like that if Dallas was going to get involved.

Stephen Jones said the other day that he wasn't. You know, man, now, maybe maybe he trade next year pick, next year's one or something like that. I mean, you say, I'm not training picks now, but you know what keeps him from trading a future pick. I think the further we go along, the closer we get to the draft and you don't have the opportunity to negotiate a deal with Peterson, I think the Peterson deal dies well. And that's the thing is that it comes down to are the Vikings willing

to play ball? And that's what it comes down too, And so far it doesn't sound like they want to play ball. They don't want to play ball at all. They don't, they really especially and if they're going to deal them, I don't think they want to deal them within the conference. And I think that's something that you know, is is something that is would halt the trade gone very quiet. That's something that gets gone very quiet. You know, even the big time guys that you visit with, that

we both visit with, that cover this stuff. You know that the scoop guys, it's gone quiet in their circles too. And if a deal does not happen on draft weekend or on Thursday. If the deal does not happen Thursday, I think you can pretty much forget about unless it's for next year's one. Yeah, then then then you're talking about it. But on draft weekend, weekend, draft weekend altogether, yeah,

I think that's when you can. Cowboys are going to invest a pick in a running back, and I think that's gonna be the running back that Okay, Kip Trey and Georgetown, Texas, you're on the Draft show, Trey, Hey, thanks, Hey, thanks? Uh call guys, my favorite player in his draft is an organ right, there is there any chance that he can have a special career at a free taking and I have a second question. Uh there a maybe a Portman's Zach Martin and the later h draft And thanks, okay,

thank you. We're talking about the injuries and some of these players I failed to mention him. Yeah, you know guys that you feel horrible about because they get injured late in the season. They had a terrific career and ere Olmu his resume is outstanding. What he did at Oregon, productive three year starter, an All American, gets hurt in practice, really messes up that knee. Sure, um leading up to the Rose Bowl. So there, there's there's concerned there. Um. Now,

where will he come off the board. That's a good question because there will be some teams that might not even have him on the board altogether because of that knee. It's it was it was significant. Yeah, it wasn't a simple terror. There's more to it, right, um, And that really clouds his draft value. So before we even talk about is it can be a corner of free safety, we have to talk about can even play? Can you

get on the field. You hate to talk about that with a player like this because he's such a good It's reality. It is, it's reality. It's what they It's what they're dealing with in draft rooms all across the country. Right now. A player that's very talented but hurt, the top fifty player in this draft, who probably falls out of the top one hundred and then somewhere on Day three probably gets drafted. A team takes a chance, but they have to feel comfortable with that knee, which not

every team's gonna feel comfortable with. Right. So, okay, hey, you wanted to talk something about Melvin Gordon O a little bit and yeah, let's let's talk about Melvin Gore. Yeah, let's talk about because we talk about these running backs, right, and we talk about Okay, forget Gurley, we love him, but he's not gonna be there, right, Um, So, barring a trade up, Melvin Gordon, it's realistic that he could

be there at twenty seven now realistic. Good chance he could be taken before, but it's realistic he could be there. I like Coleman, right, you like Melvin Gordon. So you're you you want to challenge me on why you would why you should take Gordon over twenty seven. Melvin Gordon Tevin Coleman are both there? Are you taking Coleman? Oh? I am I love I love the player because I think he could do more. I mean, then I'm basing Mark Murray Moll. I'll tell you what. There's people that

might even throw Duke Johnson in that conversation as well. Sure, but I think that just just my gut, just my gut, I think that this scouting staff and the rest of the league probably see it the way you do. I think they probably see Melvin Gordon first, and then everybody, well not Melvin Gurley first, and then now Gordon the next guy. And then tell me who between Duke Johnson,

Coleman and those guys and those kind of guys. While I do think Gordon has some special traits, I am with you when you talk about having the all around skill set and Gordon not really. He just wasn't asked to do that at Wisconsin. He wasn't asked to pass protect a whole lot, wasn't asked to be a receiver a whole lot. He does have some drops, but he wasn't given that opportunity. So it's not that he can't do it. He's just unproven in some of those areas.

And so so you're selling me on the fact that he's a better pass blocker than he then the film has shown, right because I think he wasn't asked to do it a lot. And and so I think you have I mean, Gordon is a player that I mean, he's he's two twenty. I mean he's right, he joked up. No, no, absolutely, And I think you have some. I think he's a competitive kid. I think you can work with him in pass protection to get better. Um. But I'm with you in terms of Coleman's more in that DeMarco Murray role

where he's still around it. Yeah. Um, with Gordon, I see more of a home run threat. I think Coleman might have the better forty. Yeah. Somebody got on me about that that I didn't called it. I didn't call Gordon a home run back. I saw him get fetched a couple of times. Oh yeah. Jalen Collins coming from behind in that LSU game this season opener last year. But his acceleration is elite to me, Okay, I mean

he zero to sixty is outstanding. He goes and so he can be caught from behind, but that initial acceleration is out so you're six seven yards into the hall before you exactly. And that's a big reason why Gordon average seven and a half yards of carry because before guys can react to what he's doing. We talked about with Abdullah not only being a quick with his feet in his lower body, but also being quick thinker in terms of reading his blocks and reacting quickly. With Gordon,

there are a few. He likes to bounce it outside a little too much, doesn't like to live inside the tackles like Coleman does. But with Gordon, he's so quick thinking and reacting that he can get away with that. And so I think you see some Jamal Charles there, and that's why I think he's gonna end up in that first round. Gordon Gregory Jones twenty seven, three different positions, Yeah, all all, and I'm not I can't. I got a defensive end for you that's slid down the board that's

probably got a first round grade. Right. I gave you the second best running back right there, who's probably got a first round grade. Depending on what you think about Jones, he could be a one or two, right. But I tried to make it difficult because I think I think Johnson's gone and I and the Waynes is gone. This is a good problem to have. But it's a problem because you have three good players here right on my board,

I have Gregory ranked the highest. Okay, So as long as I feel comfortable with what's going on there, I think he's got to be the pick because he's He's an impact pass rusher with a high ceiling and a guy that I rank as a top player on my board. For them probably comes down the garlier Gordon, I'm sorry, Gordon or Gregory? Yeah, you know that. Did they go to the pass rusher with the high upside, the running back where I think you have a little more idea

of what you're getting. That's a good question. Where do you think they would go? Well, let's see what I'm saying. I think they would probably there's a side of me that believes they would. Draft. Now, let's let's talk about what could happen in rounds two and three? Sure, could I get it in the second round? Could I get a runner? Can Can you tell me? Because I'm looking at the corner or I'm looking at the defensive end right, because I'm thinking maybe I could use sixty to get

to get to Duke Johnson. Right, I'm thinking, and I think this this group here is thinking similar. They hit a home run with DeMarco Murray and round right. I think they think they can do that again. So I think you're right. If they feel they can get a Duke Johnson at sixty, then they're gonna go with the defensive end. Yeah, right and something like that. Yeah, if they have to even abdula, I mean they can exactly.

They'll have options at running back at sixty. So better options at running back at sixty than say, defensive end at sixty. As because I'm trying to get you, Frank Clark, it's at at at you know, it's what I'm trying to do for you, right, But you have a Gregory on the board in front of you. Gregory might have the highest grade. I think you're right about that. I agree, and I think they would. I think they is as crazy as this would sound, even with the corner need too,

I think they would take the impact. I think Marinelli. I think Marinelli would step up at this point and he would say, okay, get me that defensive end. Yeah, And we talked about we didn't really know, I mean the hardiest suspension. We think it's gonna be reduced maybe six games. Yeah, somewhere. Okay, So so you're only you know, but you're still gonna need somebody that. I mean, they we're going into plan and you're right on a lot of boards. Gregory's a higher guy. So I think they

would go. I think that they would go with Gregory the Husker pass rusher. I think so. I think that you just can't. Why would that scare the hell out of me? Oh, it would scare the hell out of me too, because you oh, you could say, hell, you know, go ahead. But there's a reason that he's there at twenty seven. There's a reason he's a top ten talent and he's gonna be there for you at twenty seven. Off the field stuff, yeah, and again, this stuff goes

back to high school. This stuff goes back. You know, he had a full rider perdue that fell through because of some of his issues that he just kind of he let his priorities get away from him, goes to Juco, goes to Nebraska, and I've said up before, you know, Cowboys fans have heard me say this. He failed two drug tests that Nebraska and it got to the point they stopped testing him. They the coaches said, stop testing him. He's not going to pass. We need him on the field.

We cannot afford to lose him. So there's red flags all over. There were some games where he was very much this sure, yeah, and I think with Gordon, you gotta you know, Gordon had some good There are some scouts out there who legitimately question his toughness because he would leave the leave the field because of a hangnail. And yeah, that's something that you can't have in the NFL at the defensive end position. And for a player

that's in that two thirty two thirty five range. Yeah, the weight is a question mark, is something that can he keep putting on weight? And I mean listen to let's talk about all these concerns. Oh yeah, they drafted a player here they couldn't keep weight, Chante Carver. They drafted a player here that never could Ariz, never could put on weight, right, And it's it's easy to say some of these guys he's six five to thirty, he'll

put on the weight. Yeah, look at their risks, look at their ankles, right, that show he's a lean guy exactly. But I still think they would take the guy, even even with Jones and Gordon on the board. I agree that's scary, and it is scary. But if he's there at twenty seven, we're on the same page. I think this group might take him. Yeah, that's crazy. All right, Well listen, that is all the time that we have for today. Uh. I want to thank everybody that was

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