Draft Show: Cornerback's Stand Outs

the NFL drafting. We are at the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, investigating and educating for all of you out there about these draft prospects, about what the Cowboys might do, and of course the updates that come along as well, and we've got plenty of them with pro days and injury news and all sorts of things that we've hit on Tuesday. But I do want to get

the thought process on these three as well. Dave Burglar, Kevin, Katie Turner, We've got Jeff cavanaughm Kyle Joman's glad you're with us, and well, Jeff, I want to talk to you first about this because I just feel like you would have a great answer to it. But I do want to hit the Caleb Farley news again with the back surgery. Wanted to get your take on it really quickly. We won't go in depth on this, but what does the back surgery do and the injury? Who's coming out

about Caleb Farley due to his draft stock on your board? Well, for me, and I think Dani will probably be able to speak to for the NFL better, but for me personally, I would immediately eliminate. Like we're talking about a top ten pick and a guy who didn't play last year and even without playing last year, had to have a

repeat of something to relieve back pain. I'm terrified at back, so I'm terrified and next so for me, Caleb Farley just became a guy that I'll keep my eye on it and see what my doctors think and then tell me if he falls all the way to forty four because of it. And seeing some of the national guys still mocking him in the top ten or twelve and saying they don't think it's a big deal. I don't

know if that's a reflection of the NFL. But for me, out like me, we're talking JC Horn and Patrick Certan as your corner options at number ten, and Caleb Farley is out of there. That's just me. But he's out of there, out of there. By well, he's gonna fall, I mean that he has to, unfortunately, and it's it's really too bad. The timing of this is interesting. Um, he has not played um since last season, so having

this procedure, now, what does that tell you? Tells you something happened right, you know, weight training or just his his workout. Something happened recently that is causing the timing to be now. And that's that's that's a little troublesome. Um, it's his second back procedure. Um. And this is also a guy that has an ACL tear in college, So factor in all the medical things and I just it's tough to see him going in the top twenty, top

twenty five. I mean, that's just my guess. There might be a team that has a much much more of an appetite for risk and are willing willing to take that chance. Um. So you never say never, but when you just factor in everything, I would be surprised if he goes uh, you know, at that high talking about in the top half a round and one. So UM, I don't I don't have a good answer in terms of where he's gonna go because each team's going to do it differently, each medical staff is going to speak

on it differently. We just, you know, talking to the conversations I've had with people around the league about it, they've all kind of shrugged their shoulders and said, we just gotta wait and see, just gotta wait and see. Um and a lot of them said that he should be able to rehab fine and play. But then the question becomes, Okay, well, when's when's the next thing pop up? You know, when when when's that next thing? And Kyle, let me just throw this in because you asked, like,

what does it do on your board? Because I don't believe in, I don't believe in what the Cowboys do with injured guys because we I interviewed Will McClay about this one time, about the Jalen Smith pick, and he told me, like, we put the guys on the board where their talent dictates. So like Jalen Smith was in the first round for them, and then when they get to the second round, they go, oh, remember now this guy, Now what should we do with him, and I think

that's dead wrong. So for me personally, I'm just assuming exactly what Dane said about Caleb Farley, right, that he's gonna have something done to his back, and now that's two he's had the knee. But I'm gonna assume that team doctors are saying, hey, he's gonna be all right, he's gonna play football and it's gonna be all good. Right, And given that he is now my cornerback seven, wow,

that's where I put him. I put him. I put him behind the guys that I feel really good about, Horn Certan Newsome, Kelvin, Joseph Vasante, Samuel, Elijah Molden, and then I'll bet on Farley. Now I bet NFL team somebody's gonna take him higher than that. But that's what I would do because the other six guys, well, I guess Kelvin, Joseph, you have other concerns and so man,

you wouldn't be you wouldn't be there with me. But that's what I would do, is I would put him right behind the group of corners that I feel really good about as top forty picks, and then I'll put Farley in. I put him a cornerback four myself, so

same type of deal. I think cornerbacks I feel really good about, which is Certan Horne Newsome And then I put Farley, So sorry, Katie, go ahead, Well no, no, no, this is this is where I think, like historical context is a little interesting to me because I couldn't find like that back injury situation specifically, But I thought of the Eagles drafting Sydney Jones after the Achilles hit, that

would pick forty three. The other one I thought of was that you didn't work out, which did not work out at all, right, And the other one I thought of was I would say probably hasn't worked out very well either is if you remember Reggie Ragland, Yeah that was a hard thing, but that was still a second round you know pick used like for some reason teams are willing to spend on the second round on those

type things. And again I haven't done the full you know, injury historical thing on that, but like those two immediately came to mind when I thought about this, and immediately went, well, he's there for you at forty five, And I think that is the question I'm with Jeff, like my third corner going in was. I mean, my fourth corner before all this happened was Eric Stokes. Well, I will take Eric Stokes before I take Caleb Farley. I think I would. Newsome was next. I will take Newsome way before I

take Caleb Farley. Asante Samuel, I would take him before I took Caleb Farley. Elijah Molden, I would take him before I get to Caleb Farley. The line that I got to was Aaron Robinson, Melifon, move, Kelvin Joseph. That's where I go. You know what, I would probably still take Farley over those guys. You know the thing is too, it's not black and white. We can learn more about us back in the coming month too. No, that's a

good point. One the other another example Montez Sweat two years ago, Remember he had the heart issue, and you know we were thinking, okay, was he gonna fall to the sixth round like the Michigan defensive tackle did uh? You know what, right, Maurice Hurst? What was Montes Sweat gonna go? H And he ends up still going in the first round, late first round, and so far that's worked out. Okay. He's been a solid to very good

player for Washington. So you know, that's an example of the flip side where the issues, the doubt, the risk was there with uh, you know, I'm talking about medically and you know worked out okay for the Washington football team. Supposed to be a mid July return according to Drew Rosenhouse for Caleb Farley, So that could potentially give these teams a little bit of hope. I wrote about that yesterday on the website, but Dane, I want to put you on the spot here a little bit. And Katie

made a great point. We're still going to learn about this back surgery and specifics about the medicals as we get up in the final month of this draft. However, if you had to put a percentage on it, what is a percentage that Farley does fall to forty four for the Cowboys? That's the first question. Second question is would they consider taking him at forty four if they wanted to either double dip at corner or if they

didn't take a corner in the first round. You know, I don't know, I really don't, because it's just there have been times when I thought, no way that Cowboys are gonna draft this guy, or because of injuries and they've had him on the board other times. You know, I've I did not. I wasn't aware of a more serious issue, and the Cowboys didn't have him on the

board because of that. He was a box player for them, So you know, it's it's hard to say because each one of these medical things are so different from team to team. I would say it's more unlikely than likely that Kayleb Farley is there at forty four. I think he I think he still goes somewhere top forty. That's that would be my bet at this point, just based

on what we know. But like KT said, we're going to learn more and more, you know, and there's there's a lot of the medical stuff that needs to be hashed out. But I would say it's more like, I don't know, eighty twenty, he goes somewhere and top forty picks okay, good, good enough. And that's just my guest, no informal guests, based off of what we know this very second. And that's and can I add to that, because I wonder what part of your question was, would

you double dip with him at forty four? And I think I would. I think I'd be more scared of having if you didn't go corner first and then Farley falls your lap, I'd be more scared of that because now you're relying on him to be that dude, and I would much rather have him be kind of a bonus where you're like, man, this could really be awesome, but we also picked a different guy almost like I

hope they do it free safety. I hope they signed Kazy, and I hope they pick a guy in the first three rounds so that they feel good about the spot. I would not want to pick Caleb Farley at forty four if I hadn't picked a corner, or if I did, I would say, okay, now pick another one. Now, let's talk about those corners that we could pick on the front end of that double dip, and that's Patrick Zutan And I guess J. C. Horn is now in that conversation. Well, I mean, this is a guy we've talked about for

quite some time. I mean we've all been very adamant about having him at least in the top three conversation. Now he's in the top two conversation or is he maybe even cornerback one? Jeff, I know you put that in our group tax is that something that you actually believe? Do you think Horns better than certain because you wouldn't be alone in that fact. Yeah. And I think the more and longer I do this, the less I kind of get dug in on like this guy over this

guy and this guy. It's more about to me kind of the scouting report versus the exactly how you have him stacked. But I love Jase Horne. I love the way that he plays. I think you're comparing two guys that are three year starters in the SEC that have been really good football players, and it's just a matter of sort of preference. But my preference is Jac Horne. I think Sir Tan's rock solid. It pretty much everything.

I think if you wanted to compare floors, I think I would probably feel a little bit safer with Sir Tan. But to me, there's a lot of appeal that j. C. Horne is. A guy gets off the bus or plane or however they travel, and the coach goes, hey, that's their best guy, and Jac says, got you, coach. If he lines up at tight end, he's mine. If he's in the slot, he's mine. If he's on the right, the left, he's mine. That's that you know, that is

JC Horne. I think it's I think it's pretty clear who both of them are at this point where you say, Okay, Patrick Curtan, you have one question, and that one question is and they neither one of them did the shuttles. But like with Patrick Curtan, how good are we at the speed and the quickness in short spaces and adjustments and makeup? That's the one question. And with j C. Horne, the one question is can I get you to stop grabbing on literally every play? So like, and that's who

they are. And I like the guy who's who covers guys no matter where they go. I like the guy that's going to annoy a wide receiver or tight end all day. So yeah, I'm Jase Horne for me is cornerback one. And I think if you picked either one of those guys at ten, you've made a fine pick. I think you could, you know, really make a strong argument for either one of these players. And I think, you know what Jeff, I agree with a lot of what Jeff just said in terms of Curtain having the

higher floor. You just have a better idea of what he brings. You wish he had a little better twitch, but he just that's not his game. He's not the most twitchy player. But I love with certain just how the game slows down for him and how controlled he plays. I'm taking that guy ten times out of ten. Now, I still really like jac Horne, but you know how overaggressive he plays. I mean, just a flag magnet five penalties in seven games this past year in twenty twenty.

He just that's his game. Now, I'd rather have a guy like that and try to bring him back and add more discipline to his game as opposed to a guy that you try to crank up and be more aggressive. So you know, I'm still fine with j. C. Horne there. Um, but you know this is a player that, uh, he's not a great tackler. Way too many miss tackles. That bothered me a little bit. For a guy that's as as aggressive as he is the ball, he just throws his body around. He's like, he's not a free tackle.

He's just not a good tackler. Right, He'll drop his eyes and just throw his body around. That's exactly what he does. Um. And then I didn't love the body or the ball production. Both his picks came in one game and then the other what twenty nine games he had zero picks. Um. You know, solid in terms of pass breakups, but not the best ball production for a player you're considering in the top ten. Um. But you know, I do really like j C. Horne. Um. You know, Hey,

Mike McCarthy at one time coached his dad. So a little bit of a connection there, Uh, family connection, I don't know. I mean that's how that's how he picks his backup quarterbacks is which guy has his family known from middle school? So I think fans would be I think fans would be appalled. That's some of the the net atism and some of the you know, different connections that led to some draft picks and hirings and all that. So it's it's kind of crazy all that stuff is relevant. No,

I would just say go ahead, no, no, go for KT. Well, I'll be quick. I was just saying for me the discussion, Like, I mean, I'm Jeff's been on this for a month and Daniel might have been on this for a month of talking like we should be talking about Horn at ten. To me, at ten, j C. Horn is still a bit of a reach. But that doesn't mean I hate the guy, you know, Like I still like the player, he's just he's my seventeenth overall player and he was

eighteen before the Farley thing happened. So it's still a little bit of like, what are you doing at ten? And sir Tan is a little safer, uh the thing that bothers me. And I'm a bit of kind of contradicting myself here because Farley's not some great tackle or anything. And I really love Farley's day, but I've really tried to prioritize tackling after a few things. One being real

high on Grant Delpit from LSU. Two that whole Bill Belichick and Nick Saban documentary on HBO, Like, hey, I'm not going to ignore what these guys are saying at this documentary. And the first thing they talk about when looking for a defender, especially a defensive back, is can they tackle? And cur Tan has like foundational skills as a tackler. You do not see that with J. C. Horne and you don't always see him doing a good job of getting off blocks on the outside and things

like that. Oh yeah, I like Jac Horne a lot. I just at ten, if sur Tan is there I'll do it if Sir Tan is not there. I'm happy to pick Horn at ten, but I need to know what else is there, because that would not be my number one option. I can guarantee you that he will not be my number one option at pick ten, he will not be the highest ranked player on my board. With that being said, and with the Farley news coming out, initially, whenever J. C. Horne's name was brought up, he was

brought up in a trade back scenario. He was brought up as a person you can maybe fall back in the draft, go to the late teens, and hope he falls to you. How likely is that now, because he's going to be the second corner taken off the board most likely. I don't want to put in absolutes right now, of course, because it's the NFL Draft, but he's probably

going to be the second corner off the board. So does it make it less likely or at least less far you would have to drop in order to keep him on your board, Katie, if you wanted him to be in your lappets, let's say in the late teams, Well, yeah, I think that's what teams might be coming up for now. Is cornerback one. What if teams have certain is their clear cornerback one, that might be something you come up for.

Rashawn Slater might be something you come up for. Kyle Pitts might be something you come up for, or one of the quarterbacks, and maybe maybe one of the top three wide receivers. But I probably feel less certain about that given how many you know, how much wide receiver depth there is, But that might be there. That's where some of the action might be, or the idea that some teams go, I gotta get ahead of Dallas. Dallas

might want to take a cornerback at ten. Let me jump up to nine where Denver is and get there. And Denver, I think very well could take a corner I don't know if signing Ronald Darby stops them. I don't know if getting Kyle Fuller stops them completely from getting a cornerback. They might still get some of that action with Fangio as the head coach. So like, I think that's a possibility, But you know, I think Denver

could also get the heck out of there. So I like, to me, it's ideally, like, is it an ideal situation to trade back? But I've said it a million times. You guys know it, Like, look, you can't guarantee the phone's gonna ring. They wanted the phone to ring when they picked Jaalen Smith. True phone didn't ring. I don't. You don't trade back with the specific goal of landing jac Horn. You trade back with a group of three

or four names that you're comfortable with. Maybe Jacy Horns at the top of that list, but you're equally comfortable with a Greg Newsome or you know whoever else. Because I think if you're trading back, you're gonna be disappointed because that'd be a good chans Jasey Horns off the board by the time you're picking, and corner is too premiere a position to play games with that you if you like him, you pick him, even if you think, oh man, this is four spots earlier. I wish I

could pick him at fifteen or six. Pick him. It's it's too important a position. Yeah, especially whenever it's these top prospects and you're you're splitting hairs back and forth to try and figure out who is who and where they rank. Yeah. No, I'm right there with you, Jeff. I think that's a great way to put it. I mean, now, honestly, BPA is still going to be an offensive player. We don't have to acknowledge that. But BPA is still going

to be an offensive player. It's true. Does this make it just real quickly before we go onto Twitter on the twenty, But does this make it more likely that the restons later is the pick outside of certain or Horn. I think, and I could be wrong. I think they're realistic board. We're being realistic here, we're rolling out that's it's not fun to rule out wide receivers. But just for the sake of this conversation, I think their board is seul certain Slater wow, pits Wow. So you have

certain above Slater? Yes, okay, I mean that's what I think they would do. I've got Slater graded quite a bit higher than Okay, you're talking in the shoes of the Cowboys front office. You just put Kyle Pitts behind three other humans. That's what they would do. I don't have him there. He's my third grand player. I think they would. I think they would do that. Kyle Puts is gonna be in a Marvel movie one day because

he's a superhero with superpowers. You'd be nice to no no CG I needed Yeah, right, does all his own stunts exactly here, and cow Pits runs a post corner and dunks on his head. Uh wow, Okay, my mind's taking me places now. So what the Cowboys? I mean, we don't know what they're board's gonna look like. But I do think that JC Horn essentially probably replaced is Farley, But we don't know, you know, where Slater and Pits and the corners where they fall in terms of, you know,

what they want. I think, you know, it's it's it's tough to know that. I mean, at this point, what three years ago, you know, we were starting to see that, Okay, Layton van Dresh, you know this is this is their guy. We're starting to see that around this time. And so I still think that we're entering the point in the process where we're picking up clues and starting to figure it out. I think that's kind of what this part of the draft process is, is picking up those clues

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SWBC Mortgage Studios. Time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the Twitter as always Chris being punching those buttons in the back and doing a fantastic job of doing so. And guys, we got through six whole questions on Tuesday's Twitter on the twenty. It was a blazing start, and we've got sixty five questions to answer on this edition, so let's try and get through as many as we potentially can. I'm gonna rapid fire these at you, so I'm gonna start with you, Dane. Where

are you guys projecting Pete Werner Ohio State? Where do you think he's going to potentially end up? That question coming from Jake. I think he's probably late third, early fourth, you know, kind of like that borderline top one hundred. You know, he's a quality player. I think the biggest best thing about him is the versatility. You know, you can leave him on the field all four downs, play special teams, can hold up in coverage. I really think he's a very heady player. I love his eyes. The

way he plays. He's always chasing, So I don't know that he's a playmaker. There's some inconsistent tendencies there, but plays with range. His sights are always on the football, So you know, you could I want a player like that on my team. I just I don't want to necessarily have to pay a top one hundred price for him. But you know, I don't. I think if you can get him early day three, fourth round, you're gonna you're

gonna not gonna regret that pick. I got him in the exact same spot I think, Um, I am a sucker for the like what jumps out at you on tape from a guy, so like Baron Browning, the Ohio State linebacker, he kind of has that for me where it's like, wow, look at that burst, look at the closing burst. Holy cow. And with Werner it's just more kind of steady, And I'm like, man, You're athleticism isn't jumping out? Playmaking ability isn't jumping out? Like could he

become an NFL starter? I guess he's steady, but there's nothing about him that wowed me. And if you don't wow me with anything, you end up in the fourth round. Yeah, for a context, just where I have him, Um, fourth round, I have him in the same area as in terms of linebackers. You know, Halfanga, I don't have Halfena as a safety and uh Monnie Rice Georgia kind of in

that fourth round area. And then you know we have worst players in the fifth round of course, but yeah, same same, the same way I felt about the word. I thought the best thing he didn't the best thing that he did that made me like really, uh, you know wake up would be was when he was blitzing. I thought that was his best his best attribute. Now I mapping out my top one hundred, um that I'll be up in the athletic next week. And he was one of the five, the first five that I left off,

so he was very very close. Um, but you know, just missed the cut for me. So just barely missing the cut at the top one hundred, that's pretty good. I wish I was a top one hundred on Dan's draft board. Um, let's go to Connor on Twitter. Connor NFL Draft he does great work. But he said, what's the knock on Melifonwu. The physical and athletic traits are

off the charts. He has impressive tape against top competitions such as Clemson and you n see, But what do you think about Melifonwu and his knock against really his draft stock early in this one, And Jeff, I know you've talked about him on multiple occasions. Oh, I think most well, I don't want to actually speak for anybody else, just speak for me. I don't think that having somebody as like a second round player is having a big

knock on him. I think you can have other guys that you feel a little bit more comfortable with, Like I feel like Greg Newsome when I watch him, Like I'm just I'm more comfortable watching him as a as a cover three, as an ability to process what's happening around him as a zone player. It's just a matter of when you start stacking up guys in individual rounds. To me, all you're doing is saying, you know the

combination of everything that they have. I'm either more comfortable or I trust him more, or I like that he can do more different things. I got Melifon who as a second round player, so I don't have major knocks on him. I love the athleticism. I think you're just all you're doing is stacking up a bunch of guys that you like. Can I just say one thing first

of all? One of my knocks here is that he doesn't put his mouthpiece in, so when he's backpedaling, his mouthpieces bouncing around and dangling off off his helmet, and that really bothers me. But I noticed this, and I don't like want to come across as um, you know, hey, you know, tuck your shirt in, kid. But I noticed a few times where he takes steps off, not taking plays off necessarily, but KOs takes steps off. There's a play and what game is that in? To see if

I have it right here, there's a play. I don't know what game it was. I'm sorry, but there's a play where he had shown this tendency throughout the game. It might have been North Carolina. He'd shouldn't this tendency throughout the game to just kind of if the balls go on the other side, okay, that's fine, just kind of you know, we're not we're not working real hard

well the quarterback. Then it's like in the second half, the quarterback looks to the right and then comes back to the left real quickly on a slant route and he gets torched. And I'm like, dude, you weren't ready to go on that snap, and like you would sit multiple times if there were snaps where he just wasn't ready to go. I love the player. I think he's great. I just think a little tightening up on dismal lect dude.

When he was an alpha at Syracuse, right, so it's like I get it, like you don't have to take every play one like go go go, like you're rudy. Right, He's not that type of deal. But that was like that was a thing that did bother me. And I don't know if there's a little bit of knowing what we knew about his older brother thrown into that, But maybe there is. I'm only here his brother didn't play very hard. He does, yeah, and he's guilty of coasting

at times too, but he's supposed to. I mean, talking to everybody I've talked to says he's just wired differently than his brother. So I don't know that's as big of a concern. Um. I for me, another guy kind of like Horn, which just makes way too much contact against six flags last year alone. So you know, a guy that's physical, and that's great. I mean, I I'm

not saying he should be a fourth rounder. Um, it's just one of those things that is, you know, I'd take a little bit of issue with needs to dial it back, needs to be more disciplined. He's so long legged that it takes him just a half second to unfurl those long legs and to turn and go and sometimes against really speedy receivers that'll it'll be a lot more obvious. So you know, he just he's a really

good player. But when you're in this cornerback class and you're stacking Melofon with guys like Stokes and Tyson Campbell and Kelvin Joseph and all these corners that are in that second round range, it's just it's just smallest little details that might be the difference for some teams. I definitely think so, And I mean it's a question that's going to continue to be asked about. I mean, his taking plays off. I mean, Katie brought up a great point.

I'm gonna have to go back and watch that North Carolina game because I want to see exactly what you're talking about. This next question comes from Larry and while we're talking about safeties that are right in that area, how about Jamar Johnson safety from Indiana. And this is a guy who we were asked about him on Tuesday. We didn't really know a whole lot about it, and that was a homework assignment for us. But I mean, he's graded really high on a couple of draft boards.

But Dane, where do you have him on yours? Well, he did make my top one hundred. Wow, So there's that. Um, you know, I do worry about him as a run defender, and that's why he I think he's number one hundred actually, So that's why he's not a hundred and not, you know in the top sixty or top fifty. Is he's a little choosy as a tackler at times, and that that bugs me. But this is a guy that's fluid. He's got ray. He can go make plays on the

ball just as justin fields. Um, you know, he just a really ranging corner or safety who can play both sidelines. He had four interceptions this past year and only eight games. There's there's a lot to like about what he offers in the back half of the field. Yeah, I mean, I always seem one game, so I don't have, you know, a ton of credentials to speak on him. I didn't see you know, those are like explosive type traits. It's like Vin had decent speed and things like that. So

that's still hard to tell. Get more work to do on him, and I've just got the Maryland game soon. Yeah, No, I mean I think I have more work to do on him as well. I haven't really watched him at all. I didn't get a chance yesterday. I'm gonna do that today though, and I'm gonna tweet about it as well whenever I'm watching him. All Right, So this next one, I think this is a great question from Mike on Twitter.

He said, take away all the other factors. If you could pick one linebacker to fit dan Quinn's new defensive system and plug into this defense, which of those would you choose? And Jeff, he singled you out on this question. He said, besides Jeff, who will take Nick Boltlan regardless of fit. But if that's your choice, that's your choice. But if you had to choose a linebacker out of this draft class to fit this new defense, which one would you choose? That's a terrible question because the answer

is too easy. I mean, I'm taking Jokaya. If I just get to pick whoever I want, I'm taking Because now we're assuming that dan Quinn we're drawing a picture of sort of a cover three, and then I'm drawing a picture of the speed linebackers that he's had with him with Dion Jones in Atlanta. And so I'm going, Okay, don't mind undersized and you want guys that can fly around and make tackles for loss, then I would go Jeremiah Usu Coromoa. I think that that would be my

easy one. Michael Parsons will fit anything, but yeah, I'll go undersized, fly around, make plays in the backfield. I'll go Jay. Okay, and they just signed keanu'neil to play that role, so yeah, yeah, true, here you got him. Is that what you would choose, Katie? Oh? Yeah, no, that that's that's the fit right there. Um. Now, if you wanted to, like, you know, well, that's too late now.

But if you wanted to go ahead and do the Jalen thing, then hey, we can talk about Nick Bolton and we can talk about Zaman Collins and we can have that fun. But you know, we don't need to. When's Kentucky's Pro day? I want to see how Jayman Davis tests. I'm a big fan of his. I just want to see how he tests. Great question, Dan, do you know when Kentucky's Pro day is? Yeah, that's next week,

but what the hell? Yeah, it's probably somewhere, don't You don't have every pro day on the top of your head. That's unfortunate. No, I do not mark every player. All right, Okay, so yeah later in the week, So let's this next question comes from Carson. He said, what are some of the weaknesses of Jalen Phillips the edge rusher out of Miami and not counting his injuries so no injury red flags are the What are the weaknesses from mister Jalen Phillips.

I think the whole It seems like a lot of people have momentum for him as the top edge rusher in the class and tell you to me Danner Kat can take you through all the medical history, which is obviously there. I think I think Jalen Phillips is a good pass rusher because I think that he's a developed pass rusher, Like we talk about a lot with guys, do you have a plan? And I think he has ways that he can win inside and out. I like the body type. I think that there's a lot to like.

I don't think he's a great run player, like I don't think he has great natural power, and I don't think that he's a quote bendy guy in terms of turning the corner. I think he's more linear, but I think he's a good pass rusher with a plan is with his hands and his feet that can win inside out. So in this pass rush class, I think that there is a there's a solid chance that that's a first round pick. But I don't think that he's a I

think he's a good prospect, not necessarily a great prospect. Okay, I want to say this in the most respectful way possible because this is the part of the job that's easy for me to talk about because I don't have to do it. We need to find out more about him because a I can't have a moped guy. He got hit by a car when he was on a moped broke his wrist. To the music thing, I'm serious,

I'm serious. Okay, he could play like multiple instruments and wants to like produce music, and his grandpa's like a dean of music at the university. Like he's like, is he more talented as a musician than a football player? He might be like, like, legitimately that might be the case,

like truly, and I agree with Jeff, I don't. I didn't see a good run player, but I saw a guy who could find the way to get to the quarterback and a guy could get in the backfield pretty consistently and and that's that's good enough to go top fifteen for me. Now he uh, music's his first passion, he said that. So you know it's that that's something that is at least discussed with the NFL scouts. I

with Jalen Phillips. I I got flashbacks. You see little flashes of the bosses because like what Jeff Kates we're talking about with just how developed he is as a pash rusher, with the way he'll use his hands, um, how he's more smooth than sudden um. And so he has a plan. We attacks, attacks the pocket, and he can win in different ways. Uh, you know, he'll use a two handed swipe or you know, he'll dip his shoulder and work the edge. He can win in these

different ways, and he's very calculated. But it's not also at the same time, it's not h it's not robotic. It's very natural for him. So you know, there's a lot to like about Jaylen Phillips, but you can't ignore the off field, can't ignore the medicals that kind of thing, and that's certainly a could be an anchor on his draft grade. Um. You know, I don't. I don't. He's a tough guy to project. He has first round ability. Is he gonna go in the first round? Maybe he might,

but he might also might follow the second round. It's definitely been a fun player to listen to Eric excuse me, watch during his times. I mean, I guess he's a fun player to listen to as well, whenever you talk about his music. Uh how about Roy Wary? On Twitter? He said, obviously we aren't looking for a quarterback one in this draft, but is there a QB two that would be worth talking about or as an undrafted free agent? M I don't know. In these quarterbacks you can do it.

I mean, I like David Mills a lot, but I they're not drafting a quarterback in the first four rounds. Go pretty high, run, you know, Yeah, I think he's got a shot to go on Day two. Um, you know, I don't know. Maybe it's like a Kyle Trask falls far enough. You know, maybe I consider that, but you know, I still probably gonna go higher than I would want to draft him. I don't know. Ian Book i'd be you know, if we're talking seventh round and Ian Book

still around, I'd be okay with that. I like Ian Book Quinn a bit as a late round guy because of his mobility and what he what he brings in that respect. So Ian Book would be if I'm the Cowboys and I'm looking sixth, seventh round and i want to throw a dart at a quarterback, I'd be comfortable with Ian Book. Well, just just a reminder if when you're talking about Kyle Trask, nuss Meyer recruited Kyle Trask to Florida, and of course nuss Meyer here is the

quarterback coach for the Cowboys. Plus Dan Quinn. I know this is on the defensive side of the football, but he was down there as well during that time, So I don't know. Maybe there is a Florida connection on the offensive side of the football, but maybe Kyle Trask

is in that conversation. Now, I had a couple of questions that asked, this, is there a potential we should be talking about Christian Barmore, the defensive tackle from Alabama at ten and because I feel like we've we've kind of pigeonholed that pick to the cornerbacks in either Sir Tan or Horn or in terms of offensive tackle or Kyle Pitts. I mean, that's kind of where we're at with pick number ten. But is there any chance whatsoever that Christian Barmore slips into that. If they do it,

be disappointed in your football team. That's too early. I mean, I like Barmore's potential, but you gotta realize, Like, look, he was great in the College Football Playoff, and defensive tackles who can rush the passer have a lot of value. But if I'm going to pick a guy in the top ten, man, he'd better be a starter on his college football team. Alabama clearly didn't trust him as a run player, like they he was not a full time

starter at Alabama. So like, he's got a lot of good tools that you like for a defensive tackle, and if you can rush the quarterback up the middle, got value. But if they pick him at ten, Honestly, I think Barmore in any other D tackle class, he doesn't go in the first round, and in this one, maybe he does because I think he's the best de tackle prospect. But if he goes in the first it's because of

the class, not necessarily him. I think that's fair. It's easy to sell bar Moore because he's a guy that just he doesn't stay blocked very long. He's too powerful, he's too active, he moves too well for a guy that's you know that size six, four twenties pounds and only a Richard sophomore six career starts. You know, there's there's a lot of ability they're waiting just to be untapped. But I agree with a lot of what Jeff said.

I'd also point out that defensive tackles a position that this team just does not value in the first round. They haven't in a long time, and it would be against type and a big surprise if they went to Barmore in ten. Yeah. I mean, like he's around my twentieth to twenty first you know, rated player. It's just we're talking about picking tenth the worst case scenario. Like I know, there's been like so much chatter on positions

and stuff. At the worst case scenario, it is just you know, busting on a guy who knows that could always happen. I think Barmore, the conversation with the Barmore should only be about if you trade back, or if you put your picks together and trade it up to the you know, if you put forty four and seventy five together, you know, you can get somewhere in the mid twenties, early to mid twenties hopefully, if you maybe the Jets say hey we want pick ten, here's pick

twenty three and thirty four. All right, Well, then we can start talking about Barmore. Sure. So that's to me, I think it's just I think it's just too early right there. At ten, we're in premo position. At ten, we lost just enough games just to sneak inside the top ten. Now, final question here before we take our next break. But Brian asked on Twitter, he said, if everyone thinks that Kyle Pitts of course tight end out of Florida as a future pro Hall of Famer, how

can you pass on him at ten? And I feel like this is a question right up the alley for Jeff Cavanaugh, and he said, why would your team do that? And could they trade Jarwin Schultz for anything if they decided to do so? That's a good question. I mean, if he's going to be a Hall of Famer, why not Kyle Pitts at ten? The way you talk yourself out of Kyle Pitts, my answer is you don't. You can't pass on Kyle pitch. You pick him. If he's available, you pick him, and I don't think he'll be available,

that would be my guest. The only reason I can find is because I am a believer in any information I can get, and you can build the case of hey, let's look at the history of tight ends in the NFL draft and what happens when you pick him in the first round. But then I also compare that too. I'm not here to scout helmets or the history of a position. Just because the NFL got it wrong and didn't pick Travis Kelsey or George Kittle high enough is

no reason to miss. If you believe in that Kyle Pitts is going to be an amazing NFL player, you pick him. It doesn't matter. I don't care what helmet sticker you wear. I don't care what the listed position is and the history of NFL teams picking them. Kyle Pitts is one of the five or six best players in the draft. If you have the opportunity to pick him at ten, you do because he's the best player.

It reminds me at the Quintin Nelson conversation a few years ago, where he don't generally draft guards in the top ten, let alone the top six, where he ended up going. But a lot of people, smart people are on the league thought he's the best player in the draft. So you know, it's I don't think he makes it to ten for that reason. He's just one of the best players in the draft at regardless of position, and

those guys you just shouldn't pass on those guys. One of those teams is going to be like, we just can't pass on him. But if he's there at ten, yeah, I'm not going to be the guy that passes on on Kyle Pitts. Yeah, that's that that that would be my philosophy towards it. Um Now, I don't think it's fair to put the Hall of Fame label on him as for a guy that's never suited up in an NFL game before. But I think it's an easy guy to fall in love with because he's just very unique,

very rare Kyle Pitts. That Kyle Pitts is aren't just walking around, uh and they're just very very rare players. And so I'm jumping at the chance to add that to my offense. He's going to the Eagles at six. Oh god, I mean probably right. You have to. You have to maybe maybe or five um yeah, five possibility. Yeah, Like one of those teams are gonna be like, we're not gonna we can't pass the champion. That's too good. Yeah,

you don't. You can't. You can't narrow it down to he plays tight end and tight ends that or picked tight haven't done well. What you have to narrow it down to is who is he? And the answer is, if you're a corner who is six foot tall, you're not big enough to cover Kyle Pitts. And if you are a human who is six foot two, six foot three, six foot four, you're not quick enough to cover Kyle Pitts. And if you're six foot four and you are quick enough to cover Kyle Pitts, I got bad news for you.

He's gonna outplay you for the ball anyway. Like he's a stud, you know, and he's getting better and better and better. I mean, we have to remember his trajectory and high school he was pretty much basically a blocker, all right. He didn't get a chance to show this off, and he was a late to tight end. He only played tight end his final two years of high school. His first year of Florida didn't too much Hit two

nineteen tape a lot of drops. I still had him as my eleven player on the board in August because I was so infatuated with this athleticism for so we lost day, but he was making a great point on exactly what Kyle Pitts and especially whenever it comes to picking him at ten. There's a part of me that just hopes that Kyle Pitts is not there at ten because then the Cowboys don't have to worry about it.

But also there's a part of me that I mean a huge part of me that doesn't want him to end up in the NFC East because I don't want to have to worry about him twice a year or against other teams, and that's my biggest thing. So whenever Kates he said six to the Eagles, it makes one way too much sense and two scares the living daylights out of me. So overall, I would rather not have Kyle Pitts in that regard, But we're gonna go ahead

and step aside. That was Twitter on the twenty fantastic questions. As always, thank you for your support and for your questions. Way We got to a lot of them that time. I love that. When we come back, though, Kyle Pitts had a fantastic pro Day and so did some of those Cowboys top targets. We're gonna round up some of the Pro Day's news and notes when we return on

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Cowboys dot Com Draft Shower. Back here for the final ten minutes of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Trash Show, of course, as always brought to you by Miller Light. Now once again I want to remind you we are switching things up next week in terms of the lineups that are between all of us, and I will get you those updated shifts whenever I can pull it up on my phone. But before then, I want to get

into Pro Day news and notes and Dane. I mean, really, the biggest impressions that were on me whenever it came to Pro Day was of course the run from Patrick's or Tan on the forty yard dash? Was it an official four four six? Is that what the official time was? But that was a lot quicker than I was anticipating. And then of course J C. Horn and what he was able to do at his Pro Day. But were there any other pro days or those specifically that stood out to you? Those definitely stood out. I don't I

don't think either of those two guys. Maybe they don't necessarily played that's consistently, but you know it's I don't I don't think that they're uh, you know, speed was a little bit of a question. I think they answered that obviously, whether or not they actually played at that speed. So great to see from both those corners. They cemented themselves as you know, top fifteen, top seventeen types type guys.

M you know other pro days. You know, Penn State's going on right now and Jason Oway and Michael Parsons are both putting on a show, which to be expected. I mean, Michael Parsons is a complete freak, and he said that Jason Oway is a bigger freak, and so far we've seen it. You know, Parsons looked like he was at a four to three H. Jason Oway was at a four to three And this is a defensive end we're talking about. Sou For those asking why a guy was zero sacks is in my first round at

a pass rusher H, That's exactly why. Because he's a physical freak and he's still disruptive in the pocket even if he doesn't have those sack numbers. So what Penn State's doing right now certainly jumping off the screen at man Groundale Moore. Uh, not that anything that he did surprising, but all five seven of them, all five to seven, and he's I forgot what wade he came in at, but surprise, he runs a four two nine and his vertical is a million inches. He's a stud athlete, he's

just timy. Can we talk about a guy that I know Jeff likes, but I would say his pro day was not excellent. Again, I'm still very skeptical of pro day times. I'm never gonna get over that, probably, But Shakur Brown, the cornerback at Michigan State. I had him at five to ten, measured out at five to nine. Okay, that's fine, ran a four six one. I don't know if that's really yet. It's not terribly surprising for a pro day, I guess. I mean I kind of thought I kind of thought were Pro Day at kat Oh.

I thought I thought he did a science project once upon a time where they compared combine in pro day times, and if you're going handheld to combine in theory, you add about point zero six. So now my guy is small and runs maybe a four seven guy, I thought he was a I thought he was a four five guy, and think he was a four four guy, and then you don't think four six one. Yeah, well, the same thing at your guy, our Darius Washington running in the

fourth sixes. That was surprised. I thought you run a little bit better than that. So Dane's going after Jeff Well. A difference between Brown and Washington is my level of love. So with Washington, I don't care because he plays faster than any safety in college football. So we're fine. We're not worried about him. Brown is going to get dropped. It's in a matter of how much you love and I love our Darius and nothing can stop us. And we are making him Billy Madison style list of everybody

who's doubting good. I'm glad that's the case. I love that. Uh not that we're gonna take any action on the list. We just want another one. Knows no. He's been a fourth rounder for him in this entire process, and nothing has changed for me. He's gonna be the greatest. I can't wait till the Cowboys take him in the fourth because I love drafting Pro bowlers in the fourth. It's

gonna be awesome. You'd wait to call up Jeff like during weekend and say, hey man, I'm sorry I was wrong about our Darius Washington, and then Jeff mark me off. Jeff marks me off the list and then put some lipstick on. And those are things I do. Those are things I do all the time. Now I'm gonna do that. Florida State had a Florida State had really fast track at their pro day. Uh Sante Samuel ran really well.

He came at five ten one eighty and he ran at four three eight, which is really good to see for him. He's under seven seconds and a three cone. Uh. And then the pass rushers with Jennarius Robinson, Kane Doe, both those guys ran really well. To marry On Terry the wide receiver at sixty three two oh seven ran the four fours. So Florida State has a pretty good

showing from their athletes. What does that do for Samuel Stock I mean, whenever it comes to him in the corners, he's still on the outside looking in of at least what we thought was the original top three with Farley, certain and Horn, but now with it beating the top two, is he sill on the outside looking into the top three or is he right on that cup. I wouldn't

be surprised if he goes in the first round. I got I got a thing that's happening in my brain with corners because I love I'm a visual person, so I love like the spider graphs that show you how what percentile guys are among prospects. But I have a problem with the corner one because we say you're in the one hundredth percentile if you're like six foot three, Like congrats on being tall, there is a point where

at corner, I don't think that's helping you. I would much rather my corner be six foot than six four. So at five that doesn't bother me much other than Clemson throwing jump balls on him. I think it's Sante Samuel. I don't think his stock for me anyway would move because I kind of anticipated five ten four four guy and a really good player, and that's what he is.

Dane might have to go. I'm not sure. If Jeff you watched this guy, you give us a little more on Chauncey Golston for Maowa because he had outstanding He had an outstanding pro day as well over Iowa. Yeah, Now, I'm a big fan of Chauncey Golston. Like if you get to the day three, because he's not gonna go talk one hundred, I don't think yeah, but you get to day three, he'd be one of those defensive linemen that I'd be itching to get because he gives you

inside outside versatility. He plays long, he plays quick, He's got an outstanding instincts, uh, you know, for the football, and so he's just a well rounded, polished player who can start. But I think it's more about the versatility he gives you up and down the line. Just a quality, quality player who probably more of a role player for you on defense, and you know you need those guys, you know. So I would absolutely look to target him

in the fourth or fifth round. You'll get four years of cheap NFL football out of him and he will play all four of them. M that's good. I like that. Okay, Dan, Can you tell me more about Nate Hobbs because when you look at his pro day numbers that kind of stuck out to me as well. Four three eight unofficial on the forty had a six six eight three cone. His vital cool was up over forty inches. What can

you say about the corner from Illinois? Uh, let me give you his official um blah blaha five eleven three so five eleven three eight, one hundred ninety six pounds. Okay, uh four four six and a forty forty and a half of her eleven three broad six eight five three cone. Um. He's a really really talented player who got in some trouble. Was a sophomore year, suspended a few games. He was hurt a little bit this past year. But he's athletic and he's tough, and I would not be shocked at

all if he Hobbs got drafted late. Um. It wasn't a combined guy. But I think that Teddy did enough at his pro day. And that's what pro days pay attention to, these pro days at this time of year, because this is this is where guys that show out and you know, run really well or do something exceptionally well. Those guys can get into the draft even though they were previously thought of as maybe to be undrafted or

PFAE type. So Nate Hobbs is one of them. Want to be shocked if he sneaks his way into the late rounds. Nice. Okay, I saw those numbers and they kind of stuck out to be. Now, we talked earlier about Jeff having the call or whoever having the call, who about our Darius Washington and being wrong or being right.

I'm going to take a moment to tell Dane once again that he was right and that I was wrong, because Jaylen Darden had his pro day today and Jaylen Darden, the wide receiver out of North Texas, has been my pet cat from day one, even before day one, because of my allegiance to the Mean Green. However, today he ran a forty time after measuring at five to seven and a half. He ran a forty time that was

in the four six four seven range. Still awaiting on the official time, but it was much slower than I anticipated. Four six four seventh airs me a lot. Jeff Cavanaugh on film, he plays fast, he's way faster, but it's seven. There's no way he is a baller. Ball yes, don't back down. It's a guy baller. He's a baller. I don't know that. There's no way. There's no way he's a he's not a four sixth athlete. I don't think. I don't blew my mind. There's no one. I saw

that at that time. That's why you ignore it. You gotta trust the tape. Sometimes you just get to throw stuff out. You say, no, it's faster than that. I don't care. No, he's fat, I mean, but he is five to seven and that shows up on the tape. Or just a small target, you know, because of that, he likes to freelance his routes. Uh, you know, he he's just a small target. And for those reasons, I think I don't think he goes top one hundred, but

he's still a quality player who with that speed. I mean I get Chicken Grant type of vibes from him. So I don't know that. Did he stumble? Did they mark off a forty five yard dash? Something's going on there. Yeah, he's a he's a I mean, he's a four four or five guy. So I'm looking at another tweet, hits.

I'm looking at another tweet right now. His second forty that he ran for first one was in four six four seven, and then unofficial in his second was a four four six, so much better, but still not as fast as I was kind of hoping that would go. I thought it'd be like a four. Yeah. So yeah, put it. He put it in four yards forty four instead of the forty straight up. Instead, he ran four thirty eight thirty eight yards the next time out, as Brian brought us would love to say, but hey, four

four six is a lot strong winds. Well, it's yeah, it's it's yeah. They got even tea and always the best at kind of you know, measuring thing. Stop the numbers, chill. I'm gonna come and fight you, mister Acu're gonna figure it out. We both got to win in the tournament. Just be happy, Okay, goodness, graz we did it. We did. We're in music in art school. We've never said, hey, human, come here for a math. I would say where a podcast. That's not the case either, But that's gonna do it

for us here on the Draft Show. Glad you've been with us here over the last hour. Once again, I hope you learned something investigating and educating with us. But we'll be back on Tuesday, completely different set of guys Tuesday, Brian, Dane, Jeff. That'll be a lot of fun with those guys. And so you can get you can get Katie with Bucky and Dave on Thursday. So if you want more Kat. He'll be next Thursday as well, the normal time for mister Kevin kat Turner, but tearn Bucky up on running backs.

It's gonna be fun. This is gonna be fun. We'll switch it up every week from here until the Draft, and then we'll be back to the normal cruise whenever it's the week of the draft, but until then for Jeff Kavanaugh, for Kevin kat Turner, Dane Brugler, and of course Chris being back in studio. I'm Kyle Yomen. Thanks for joining us here on the Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com, the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.