Draft Show: Combine Standouts & Pro Days

Dan Burglar, CBS Sports and a contributor to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. And David Hellman, writer from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. K Garrison, Executive producer. It is nice to be back, Yeah, from the combine. We get some some tieing up we need to do today about the combine. We left Indianapolis. Our last draft show was Saturday. We kind of been falling along and we appreciate everybody it was with us

those those days that we were an indie. We've got some defensive players we need to talk about and some positions too, a defensive line, the linebackers, and now the secondary guys that are in the range or the thoughts of what's going on with a lot of NFL teams, especially the one that we're here with. Now, you know, it seems like the way the free agency is gonna go, this team is gonna lose probably a couple of corners, probably a couple of safeties, but no fear. He just

lost the defensive tackle. So yeah, where did the defensive tackle just end up? The report on Twitter as Terrell McClean is signing with the Redskins, So the Redskins are gonna get troma And hey, was that an Adam Schefter special right there? I think that was actually I saw it from the Washington Post. Okay, there, I trust them. We're an interesting article about Scott McCluin. By the way, the Washington Post seems like Bruce Allen is back to

meddling again. That'd be a good thing if Allan's continues to metal. The Redskins can really only handle stability and boris yes for about eleven months. Yeah, so Scotty, if Scotty is, Scotty's shown the door, they're good for Scotty way, Yeah, exactly. That's a great evaluator right there, and he's one of my dear friends. I feel sorry for him for what happened to him so far here at watching it. But

Bruce Allen, you continue to metal. That'll be fine. But the positions that I say, I want to focus on. We're gonna look at the what happened on Saturday and Sunday also, like I say, went for the part of the show too, We're gonna do Twitter on the twenty. The best way to get ahold of the show is is through at the draft show. You could fall along. Kink Garrison does a great job of managing the account. If you're watching right now, you might be catching it

on periscope. That's a great way to kind of to be a part of that. We love to do Twitter on the twenty. We like the interaction with the fans. We like the ability to answer your questions if we can. I will be happy to do that that way. And if we have time at the end of the show, maybe we can take some calls if folks feel so inclined. Eight eight, eight, eight, five, five, two two nine seven. The numbers usually on the left side of the screen.

There you can find it. And when we're ready to go some calls, well, we'll do that we can do that, but at the draft show is the best way to get a hold of us. I also want to get into a little bit of what happened yesterday. Dana and I had the opportunity to go to Pro Day in Norman, Oklahoma. The folks there at Urusity, Oklahoma to an outstanding job through a great Pro Day. You know, I love organization.

I love when it's you can park, you get your credential, you go, and they gave us great access to the players. We had a chance. Dana and I were right there when Joe Mixon met with the media after the workout. Have our thoughts about that also too, would like to to get into Dave has got a little call at games. But it's more about things that we thought about. More surprising is the title of this one, more surprising, generating discussion.

Generating discussions was all about So anyway, we'll we'll do all that. So, uh, hang tight with us. We'll be having fun throughout the day doing this. Okay, getting into what happened on Sunday at the Combine defensive line, Yeah, talk about some of the things though that and just watching the workouts, things that jumped out, you know, there was these guys. We see these guys on tape. That's

kind of something we've all thought about. We sat down, we watched these guys, and now you're looking to see at the measurables and the workout match. Did we get some match from what we saw, or did we get some things and maybe a little bit more elevation from certain guys the way they worked out, or did the cream of the crop continue to be the cream of

the crop. I think all the above. You know, you look at Miles Garrett and what he did, Uh, he made the Cleveland Brown decision at number one just that much easier. I think he was the obvious favorite going into the combine and it still holds true. I think that's the easiest decision a team picking number one overall has had since the Colt and Andrew Luck back in twenty twelve. Just slam dunk to you. Then, Yeah, who else are you gonna say? You know that's quarterbacks? I

like Jonathan Allen, but he doesn't the impact potential. He's got some shoulder issues. Solomon Thomas, I like him a lot. Myles Garrett just the best player in this draft, and I think you showed that at the combine really impressive player. The rest of these pass rushers, I think they disappointed

to a degree at certain points of their workout. You look at Tack McKinley, Yes, and let's you know, we could talk about how he's had surgery this past week and you know he might not be ready for training camp and all that, But just looking at his workout, his forty yard dash was good what you expected, you know, in the high four fives, four sixes, But the three cone, the short shuttle, the change of directions, that surprising to me. Yeah, because I don't think he was necessarily stiff on film.

To me, when you use the words stiff, that's a can't can't turn, can't bench. Yeah, that's one of the meanest things you could possibly say about it. Well, there's meaner things you could call player, Yeah, probably, but in terms of making it on this'll get in trouble. Yeah, I'll get stiff or the worst thing you could say. But he worked out like a stiff player. Yeah, and

you don't necessarily he's not the most fluid. I mean, there are more fluid pass rushers out there, but I didn't expect him to that degree to be that hindered by his hips, the change of direction. It just wasn't there. Yeah, at six two two fifty, Dave kind of thinking of a guy it's got a little bend to him, a little billy to the movement and stuff. I think Dane's right about this one. It wasn't I didn't see. I didn't see that on tape. And I'll go and I'll

flip it another. But just your thoughts though, I McKinley, though, I mean, what did you sat down down? I know we got back very early Sunday morning. I mean I saw your tweets. You were watching it, you were locked in. Yeah, no, And I mean didn't we talk about this and Indy though in terms of how how much you let this stuff influence you though, based on what you've already seen. Yeah, and you try not to, but you try not to. But what I'm hearing from you is that you kind

of it was surprising. And that's what's the great thing about what you're what you're gonna do with this, uh, this game with that we're gonna or this discussion that we're gonna have, is that you're trying to figure out that why why did this guy look this way on tape. I always mean the whole thing, well, the trust the tape bit. I mean, you look at that tape and you start seeing him, you start I'll give another example, the Willis kid, right, Will's kid from Will's kid from

Kansas State. And if I remember correctly, you were surprised in a good way. But I was surprised in a good way exactly right when you know when you start talking about his three cone But those people out there don't that does not think that he could bend on tape out there doing it against Yeah, but he saw you see him doing that, and now it gives you that little bit of Okay, what what was I just watching? Right? What was I watching? And he goes back to what

we talked about. The running backs? Yeah, d Alvin Cook testing like a below average athlete, Leonard for what was that scent that you're you're talking about the spark spark? He tested under ten percent the percentile of running backs. It's just it's explain the spark thing, because I'm like old school scout man that doesn't stop watching the two socks kind of scar. Yeah, I'm the I'm the old I'm on the old bike shorts and stand there, you know,

just chicken around the yard, that kind of guy. It's not a bad drill. Yeah, we could go. We could talk for hours on SPARK and what it means and uh you know how to best utilize it. But basically, it's a formula Nike came up with to incorporate your size, your length, and then all your athletic measurables, and you know, puts you into a percentile of how you grade out

with other former prospects. And you can look at past examples. Okay, well you know, we've never had a running back in twenty fifth percentile or less go in the first round something, you know, something like that, and then Dalvin Cook comes in in the ninth percentile, and it's okay, what do we do with this? You know, so the guys that are number cats, the number cats are looking at that

thing and going whoa, whoa, I wouldn't take it. There are some people in this building that put a lot of stock in the Spark rank, and I think that's the case everywhere because it a lot of times, you know, it does match up. I think it makes sense correlates the NFL success because you're grading athletes, you know. I mean, you can't really hide from that. And you want athletes

on your football team. Now you also want football players, right, you know, And so that's where you have to kind of marry the two, and you want ideally the best football players are also the best athletes. It doesn't always happen that way. This and I want to go back because this is really interesting to me because Willis is a guy that I really like from the Senior Bowl, played well. McKinley is a guy that I would like

if he was healthy. Right, But your podcast is called Trust the Tape, and you're like, mister trust the tapes all the time. You did this for a living for a long time, Like why are you letting these agility drills scare you so much or impress you so much? No, no, I I you weigh the balance between how much you should be concerned or the older you get, the older you get, the more scared you get. That's not true.

I shouldn't say that the older I get, you know, I'm starting to learn about this number of things with the spark thing. It terrifies me because I'm terrible in math,

I'm terrible at understanding percentages. I'm more about gut and what I see football scouting used to just be about gut and now there it is used to now And now a guy like Dane Burglar walks in the room and he throws down a bunch of numbers at me, and I kind of go, what's this, you know, And I'm really I'm nervous about it because I don't understand it because I'm not really small. But that's that's the

problem I have. But you know, when you do look at the numbers, you know, you you you you say, okay, why is this guy not moving well? Why why does he not have why? Why on tape is he How about the opposite guys that that do have the bin

that excuse me, that do have the high numbers. I mean, for example, the kid, you know, like the kid from the kid from Tennessee, the defensive in from Tennessee, right, I mean his forty yard dash and all I mean it's it was, it was not good, right, But then you watch that, then you get the then you get the three cone drill and you're like, whoa, okay, six ninety six here we go. Yeah, You're like, okay, now that that correlates, But why why does he not why

did they not run? Well? Why do they not? You know, that's the thing, you know, and like the NFL is full of players who weren't combine warriors, who didn't test overly. Well, you know that's just so I think the information is power. We talk about scouting and we it's a big jigsaw puzzle. Sure, okay, you know the tape is one big corner piece and you know the numbers are that. You know, you have to fit it all together to give you an idea a player is. And the best way of doing that

is looking at past examples. Okay, well, okay, this player A is having success in the NFL. How did he test? What did he do with the combine? What was his tape like? And then trying to you know, backtrack and figure out Okay, well, you know what helps correlate to success and give It's just scouting is such an inexact science. It's you know, it's wish those tags would glow yea and you put them on the board. I wish they

glow as many n as we have. It'll always be about gut and feeling, because look, you could just have it. One of these guys, you just had a bad day testing. You know, you took go and take your acts. Maybe you just had a bad day testing, you know, just you didn't test overly well. But you were a four

point of student in high school. Yeah. Yeah, It's just one of those things where you have to not take one thing in account, you have to take everything into account and then try to go through the weeds and figure it out. I'm always gonna look at that tape the combine. I love, but I'm gonna I'm gonna close my eyes if something happens at the combine unless it's medical. You know, I'm I'm gonna try, and I'm gonna try, and I'm not gonna tell I shouldn't say close my eyes.

Weigh it differently, but I'm gonna weigh it differently. I always have. I always have. But but you see numbers, and then these numbers, you're surprised, not surprised, you know, got like I'm gonna switched the defensive backs. Those kids were flying. You think I even just like, do you think it's speed school? Do you think it's speed school? Has a lot to do with what's going on with these runners. Yeah, a lot of a lot of former tracks. I mean, these guys, I can understand. I can understand

Latim War. I can understand because he looks like he plays fast. What freaks me out is the huge kids that are still flying like the big guys Obi Melanono, Oh my god, oh sub four or four yeah out of here? Wow? And I'll I mean, okay, it's track, it's specialized training, Michael Johnson speed school. Most of these guys have been doing nothing but this since like January third. See that scares me. I appreciate the player and that

wants to get better and have the best numbers. But all of a sudden, you Melofanu, you you mentioned him, he throws a four four out there, and then you watch the tape he didn't have. He doesn't have four or four tape. He really doesn't see. That's the trap. That's the trap that Joe and Flower Mound. Nothing against Joe and flower Mount, but Joe and Flower Mount. I love to make fun of Joe and flower Mound, but

like scouts and coaches fall for that crap too. Oh no, no, no, no, no, I am I'm throwing myself in there with Joe and flower Mount, because you do you watch a guy run and you're like going and see him play like a four four guy. And now you got you got Joe and Flower Mount like, hey brought us where you got him on your board? Third round? What what you know? You don't see a four or four player, right, that's the problem you have when you when you're dealing with

the combine and when you're doing with the tape. And I think that one's more explainable because he tested off the charts, There's no doubt about that. I had a lot of guys test off the chart. When you watch a guy like Melan Fond on tape, he's very hesitant, he's very cautious. It doesn't matter we're kind of athlete you are. If you hesitate for a half tick, you're done. No, you can't make up that angle. You're going to be

late to the play. The player or the running back's gonna gain seven yards before you even get to him and make contact. So it's great to have those athletic numbers, but if you don't have the mental trigger up top to utilize those athletic gifts, that it doesn't mean nearly as much. And so for me, that's where I am with Melan Fono now. Do I think he could get better with recognizing his keys and anticipating the play. Sure, right,

with coaching, he might get better. Still taking him in the first round, No, he's a third round player on tape. That's what I'm saying. He's staying in the third round because I think I can. Humphrey is another guy Alabama. Humphrey is another guy to me and from Alabama talking about Marlon Humphrey cornerback. Yeah, Marlin Humphrey goes blowing down there like a let me see here, four four three was just average about four almost a four three nine

four four zero. Marlin Humphrey doesn't play that fast. See, that's the thing. That's the that's the that's the thing that that is just I'm like, whoa wait a minute, where'd that come from? How many times there's a corner running forty yards? Better catch up? Yeah, and you get beat? And Marlin Humphrey will show you some tape where if he gets beat, you didn't always play like he's a

four four. He ain't running four four getting back. And even even if you're running forty yards as a corner, there there better be some you know, jostling and some bumpy he's long, he's rangy, he can do those things, and the biggest thing with him is just finding the ball downfield, recognizing with it when the plays come in. Yeah, struggles with that, and that's if you're gonna give up big plays down the field, Uh, you're not gonna be on my football team. So he is a tough one

because the athletic traits are there. I think he will get better only in Richard sophomore, right, but the recognition down the field, the ball production, that's the big issue with him. And so he's another wild card because he tested well and he's gonna fit somewhere in that first round. I'm honestly, I'm pretty surprised here in this first segment at how like torn you sent Like you just sound like you don't even You're like up is down left is right? Like you don't know. I just you know,

it's trying to figure it all out. But it's trying to It's it's what spend all those hours? Why that tape? I do you just like to sit there with this guy? And he says we need to watch this guy and then and then he doesn't work out worth a damn And I'm like okay, but he played pretty well, you know. And that's the thing that's the thing in in in my in my advanced years now of scouting, I'm trying to figure out, have I been more right always watching the tape or have I been more right trusting what

these numbers are and these kids? I think, and I think I'm yeah, and I think I'm getting fooled because of these kids going to speed schools and stuff. There used to not be a time. There used to be a time where Tyrone Wheatley from from Michigan, the running back would roll out of bed and go run for three eight and then I've thought he hated but he was a fifty five meter champ too, I think in Michigan.

Do you think there is a time where, in the not near future where we'll do away with you know, the testing, the forty yard dash and the three cone all that, and it'll just become a workout drill. Well, they'll incorporate more I mean time drills, but more football related time drifts, you know, I mean, just because you're right about the speed school and these guys training for these specific drills exkews the numbers, and you know, do you think there. It'll get to the point where scouts

just say, listen, we're stubborn. We'll bang our head against this wall. I don't know, like the medical thing that poor Foster can I mean, I said poor Foster. But you know some of these were I found out what was going on there. You know, guy has a shoulder problem just coming back from surgery, didn't get pain medication. A little bit agitated. Hey that you know. I had some trainers and doctors tell me the process is too long.

Three in the morning. They're physical and kits, you know, and everybode got out there up broadest quick wine and they're making millions. I get it. We need to do a better job of helping those kids. I think the hierarchy of scouting and football in general is still a lot of people that like came up when it was a different sport, you know, like sixties, seventies and eighties.

I bet you it'll things will change, Like we're gonna see some some shifts as like younger people get into the power spots and care more about things like advanced stats and spark scores. A couple of guys defensive backwise that wowed you a little bit before we go to break while would be in the wrong way tease Tabor, a player we both like on table. Yeah, it goes out runs in the mid four sixes, high four sixes. Get ready for that discussion. And the rest of his

duals were poor. His vertical uh you know at the only nine on the bench press, which you know, not a huge deal for a corner, but still just a disappointing weekend in Indianapolis for for Tabor. So I don't, I don't. He's a guy we have to go back and study and figure out because he does. He doesn't play like a burner and we knew that, but he also don't played like a four to sixth athlete, and so we need to figure that one out. Talk about Witherspoon from Cal Colorado, Yeah, that he liked, went to

Juco and Cal player. They didn't start playing football until the senior year in high school. I liked the kid. I liked the kid a lot, and I had a chance to sit down and talk with him at the combine just kind of pick his brain a little bit more. It's amazing he hit from his junior year to his senior year. He went from five eight to six two yeah, talk about a growth spurt. He said it was painful, but that's why he started playing football, ladies, because he

was just a smaller guy. And he goes to Juco, then goes to Colorado and you could see it year after year progression, progression blossomed as a senior and I think he put himself in that top one hundred mix. Now with that that height, that length. He credits, you know, his footwork to his soccer background. I think this is a budding player who tested a lot better than I thought I was expecting more like four five, mid four or five. Yeah, me too. He ran in the mid

four four. Yeah. Absolutely, and one more last guy too. I'm gonna ask you about, did Fabian Moreau put himself in the first round. I think for some teams he'll be considered in the first round. Yes, Um, you can make an easy argument he's the top senior corner this year. Tredevious Whites as solid player, Jordan Lewis is a good player.

Moreau is a better player than White. Yeah. I think Moreau has put himself in that conversation to you know, even maybe contend with a Sydney Jones or one of these other corners in the back half of round one. A former running back who is still getting better at the corner position. But you watch his tape and you just don't see much separation because that's speed. He's able to blanket receivers and make plays. Yeah, really really impressed with who he was on tape, And then I thought

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So we're gonna get into Twitter on the twenty. But Brian, first, I mean, we should talk about underwear. Shouldn't We absolutely talk about underwear. You know what? And I'll tell you what. Dane and I were at Oklahoma yesterday and I could have used me some Tommy John underwear. There was a lot of walking around. I needed the socks, the shirt, keep myself dry, put a lot of miles, put a lot of miles on these Chuck Taylors I'm wearing every day. But I could have used my socks. Didn't wear him.

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I can endure it. Like honestly, I'm not bs and y'all when I say how much I appreciate these products. They're fantastic. We do. Thank you, Tommy John. I really appreciate Dane's reaction to our conversation about them at the combine. One of the best gifts I've ever seen is that, right, gift is how you say that gif? Yeah? If he showed me that on the way from and that was awesome. I'm gonna I'm gonna go retweet that later so y'all can see it. Yes, thank you, Thank you me John,

Thank you, Tommy John. We appreciate that. Okay, that's not at all bossman. Okay, fantastic, all right, all right, we're gonna get right into it ahead. Terrence wants to know this is topical. This is good. Un He says, can you talk about replacing Tarell McClain. Interesting? Interesting, there's two facets to this because one, Washington Redskins really well, you actually, i mean you actually have some defensive tackles on this roster, which is something we haven't always been able to say.

I'm not saying they're great, but Malie Collins was promising as a rookie. David Irving should be back. He's been pretty good at tackle. And then obviously you paid Cedric Thornton last year. But I suppose you know, it's not a position we've really talked a lot about because of those reasons. But how you feeling about these dts. I'll tell you what. Though I felt like that there they were gonna lose McClane. He was like one of my priority guys. I was kind of hopeful that but it

didn't work. You know, he if he's getting twenty one or twenty two million, there's not a whole lot I can say. That's that's the that's the issue right there. You know, he he worked hard, got himself a big deal, played well. It's a shame. I do like what you're saying, though. I think they need more from Thornton though, I really really do Thornton. Thornton can't be just an okay player. Thornton has got to come in here and he's got

to do some of the things. And I don't know if he could be as disruptive as what you get, you know from McClane, because McClane to me is a side line to sideline player. Yeah, you know you there were plenty of times where he was outside the tackle box. Thornton needs to do a better job of winning upfield initially and being disruptive that way. But you know, there was a couple of times. I know the Cincinnati game was one of his better games where he was able

to get a sack, nice pressure uptiment. But he can't be a guy that's just okay. He needs to They need to find a way to get him going in the rotation. They need to find a way that. This means too, that they might even have to move back. Crawford was thinking back inside, So that will give you that. And now so if you've got if you've got Crawford, if you got Irvin, if you got a Thornton that can play better, you know, then maybe then you've got

an opportunity. I think there's some guys too in this draft. You look at some of these you know these uh the one techniques, three techniques. There's some guys that in this draft it doesn't seem like I was gonna ask Dane. That doesn't seem like as deep of a group as last year with your you know, well, there's some guys though, they I mean the Quarrels. Quarrels worked out well. The Washington I mean, he ran well. Tom Winson, though I

like Dvin Thomason, Tom Winson. I was hearing that Thomlinson's the prote at Alabama. I heard he did really well. Yeah, and yesterday he's more of a one technique, right. I think Larry Ogman Joebi from Charlotte. There you go. I like him a lot. In the second round, Tomlinson's in that day area. I mean, there's some talent here, you know. Well, they will they pick somebody that high. No, they won't.

That's the thing about I can't. But if it's but if it's a three, I mean I could say, if it's really a true three, you know, if it's somebody that can give him be a little bit distrust. I was gonna say, don't they feel pretty good about him? Yeah? I can't see them taking a tackle before the third round, And even then that seems high interest in the stack.

How that stack plays out. Yeah. But and to you, I mean, you know, we talk a lot about getting a pass rusher at twenty eight, and if they get a good if they get a guy they feel good about at twenty eight, I'm fine moving Tyron Crawford. He's going back inside. Yeah, for that that helps every getting another pass rusher outside helps everybody on the rest of the defensive line. Absolutely. I say coffee taste today, it's fantastic. Topical.

Another topical question, because y'all were just in Norman Xavier or Xavier. I'm sorry, I never know. UM usually good with that French. Do you have a better grasp on how Joe Mixon will affect the mid round running backs? I mean I feel safe saying he's not a first round pick. I think he's a first round talent. Say that. I didn't know. You didn't say that, and I'm not I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm

really not. I think he's a third round player. I think you think he might go a little bit earlier. I do. I think he's a third round player. That's where a team will feel comfortable taking him and taking on all the baggage that comes with it. You know, I think yesterday only kind of cemented what we knew about him. He's fit, first of all, physically, it's really impressive, and then he goes out running the mid four fours, solid numbers with a vertical and abroad thirty five inches

and what nine ten and abroad? I believe so so you know, good numbers. Where he really shined was the positional drills. When he's receiving the ball, fluid athlete ability to catch and run. It just makes it look so easy, very easy, very smooth. And I think that's really the selling point with him as a player. It's just that receiving ability as well as his ability to carry the ball. I think he's off the board. Somewhere in the third round.

A team will take a chance, and I don't think it's gonna be a situation where we see the team coming. I think it'll be a surprise, you know, a team that maybe didn't show a lot of interest, but you know, went through back channels, a team like the Seahawk. I could see him being a guy that we're going to

start if you're falling along on Twitter. I could see him being the guy that a lot of teams go in and work out on their own that maybe nobody really wanted to show their hand yesterday at the Vikings and we're the only team that had their general manager

and head coach there. I guarantee you though, they're gonna be some teams they're gonna roll him there, work him out one on one take him to dinner someplace Norman the night before, get to know him a little bit better, and it's gonna be, like Dane says, it's gonna be a it's it's gonna be a surprise. But I still make this prediction. Strong general manager, strong head coach, that's what's going to happen. I was I was listening to

a conversation yesterday. It just had to be standing in the right spot where Rick Spielman from the Vikings, their general manager, was talking with Bob Stoops and they were really comparing notes of how they had to deal, remember with Adrian Peterson and what he had to go to with the child abuse stuff that they had, and he said, this is stuff you never can prepare for, but you have to go out there and and and and talk

about it. And so you know, they were they were just comparing notes and and you know Stoops was talking about the guy, Hey, he's never had problems with us, you know, I mean, it's it's something he's been a model system talked to some other people. Says he's you know, involved with some women shelters and things like that in the area. Trying to get out there more and do some things. I said this last night on one oh

five three that I would feel comfortable taking him. I would, and I think he's a first round talent, and I think that my job is as a general managers to win football games, and you know, but if it's a three year removed thing and I feel comfortable about it, which the more I learned about this kid, the more comfortable I'm feeling about it. I don't know how bright of a kid he really really is. I really don't know.

I mean, I'm just saying though, I think he's trying to do the right things, and I think that's why a team will take take a shot at him in the second round. Second, Yes, I do. That's not surprising to me. But I think it'll be a limited pool of people that are willing to make that strong, strong coach strong GM. More topical questions. I know y'all. Y'all are in Norman, so you couldn't have been in Boulder. But Ernie wants to know how you feel about Chittabay A woozy? Did I get that? How did I do

with that woozy? A damn it? But you did get up until that last little woozy just sounded yeah, Okozia, Yes, uh, Colorado, how well he ran at the Combine? Yeah, color Our kids did themselves proud. They really did a boulder guy all for you right there. You're your buffs did all right. I like the player a lot. He's one of the best blitzing corners in this draft. He just really has a knack for that. Uh. Played different positions. They played

him at safety, free and strong. They played him as like an in the box linebacker, They played him in the nickel, played him outside, He played everywhere. I talked to him at the Combine about his turf toe injury, which really plagued him over the second half of the year. His senior year kept him out of the Senior Bowl. But he said he's one hundred percent now and he going out running a mid four fours. That kind of

confirms it. So with a Woozier, I think he's somewhere in that Day two mix we talked about these corners. There's gonna be a run on these guys, and if you don't get your top guy, I think you feel okay because you know you feel comfortable with your fourth, fifth, and sixth options on your corner list. So and Woozier is definitely in there Oregon, USC, Stanford, and Michigan told me this story. I think he's a quick footed guy, but I don't think he's explosive, you know. That's the thing.

I thought his technique was all over the place, and maybe that's because he plays all over the place. But I saw him playing the slot, I saw him play outside. I didn't know how really well he turned on tape. That bothered me a little bit about him finding the football, turn in and find the football. I didn't think he did anything great, but I didn't think he was terrible either, you know. I thought he was just a very steady

kind of a player. I thought he had a little bit of an issue where he had to grab and hold to try and stay in position. And maybe that's because he didn't trust his technique all that well. But you're right about the way he worked out. See, there's another guy right there that you look at, the size, the speed, all that fine, but he doesn't always play that way. That's just what I saw on that tape. That's fair. I'm gonna put y'all on the spot a

little bit. Anthony wants to know at this and you're not done watching tape, obviously, and I know I feel like you've covered most of the really important prospects. Anthony wants to know how many first round grades do y'all have right now. I'm working on my updated top fifty board, which I need to turn into night and so I think that'll tell me exactly. But it's my first top fifty board. I had twenty five first round grades, and I think that will be around where I'm at still,

I don't think it's going to change much. That's a pretty high number. Though it is a high number, but they're just they're player and I don't do first, second, third, right I do one, one, two, two, two, three, And so I have twenty five firm ones, which speaks to

the depth of this class. And I've talked about this before, but I don't think we have ten true top ten picks where you feel, Okay, this guy's definitely a top ten guy, those blue chippers at the top, but you feel really good about the mid first round, late first round, and then into Day two and early Day three. So I really like the death of this class. Just don't love all the options in the top ten twenty three. Good Lord, yeah, you usually settle around eighteen. Usually it's

a depth of the draft. He's absolutely right there. Of the twenty three kids that I hadn't tell me like sixteen. Now, of the twenty three kids did I have on my board, I would take every one of them. I would I take every single one of them. And that includes Trubisky at quarterback. I mean, I'm not telling how many quarterbacks. I have one Trubisky, that's my only one. Fantastic news for me because I just feel good like three quarterbacks will go before the Cowboys pick. How do y'all feel like?

Sound about right? At least at least which means this Mahomes your third one, Watson Mahomes, Trubisky is one. And then I was I was pretty set on my Trubisky, Kaiser Watson Mahomes. Okay, okay, but I mean I'm with you an understanding based on based on the combine and other things. I wouldn't be surprised if my two and three flipped. Yep, I'm doing. I'm gonna need the next month to work on those guys, but I feel comfortable at Trubisky as my one, Mahomes as my four. Trubisky Watson,

Mahomes for me on the quarterbacks. I just love the thought that you know that I don't only have one in the first well though, and those picks are gonna push first round grades down toward twenty eight. Who's your last first round player? You think? If you had to guess whose player number twenty three or twenty five, I'll say your mind while you look your cup. It's Tabor for me because I got Lattimore, Jones, Moreau. Tabor is

my four corners. But I would take Adams, Hooker, Cunningham, Foster, Alan, Garrett, McKinley, Lawson, Thomas, Barnett, McDowell, Cook, Mixing, Fournette, Trubisky, Howard Ross, Williams, and Davis. Those are my twenty three guys. Mine's probably Kaiser, So he's your last first round guy. Yeah? Um so right there at twenty five, I started to map out my updated top fifty, and so I have

twenty six first round grades and Kaiser's twenty six. Yeah, and then Deshaun Watson's my first one two at twenty seven. So okay. So so and your board, though, Kaiser over Watson just by the slim of some margins, tell him eight one's around one two. Yeah, that that might be able to change. But one two means first round, second round, that right, right right? And Trubisky I have him up in the teens. So which actually, y'all, I feel like

that goes away toward answering Brandon's question. Which it's interesting to me because they pick twenty eighth. Obviously you want the fifth year option. But when you consider that first round grades are typically gone by twenty eight, how realistic do you think a trade out of the first round would be? It doesn't sound like that grade of an idea. If you're telling me that there's twenty five kids, My director player personnel here wants more picks, and I'm you

know what, I'm even at the expense of the option. Yes, that fifth year option is he's got a good plan. Tane said that with some fire. No, No, he's got a plan because he feels like that from play that he doesn't have a consensus top ten, but he feels like he's got a hundred a list of one hundred players that you could probably your your value of where you're getting. If you get extra you get extra you got an extra two, you get an extra three, or

an extra four starter. Yeah, you'd be an extra starter over a fifth year option. If that player is that good, I'm resigning him anyway. I'm usually the other way because I want the flexibility if I get in trouble to have the ability to sign that player. But I think, but miss Draft, I'm with him. This would be a great draft to have compensatory picks. I think I'm in because, like I said, I mean, it's it's not pick fifteen, it's pick twenty eight, you know. Yeah, and well to

see who's there. You know, maybe one of those guys you ranked in the teens could slip. You know, I don't know how many thought Byron Jones would slip to the Cowboys in the first round of it could be a similar situation. But I think there's more a better chance that the better option will be to move back if you can, if you can do it, if you can swing it. I'm I'm pulling these numbers out of my butt. But if you told me I could pick at thirty five, sixty, seventy, and ninety two, oh yeah,

I'm in. Yeah, that one more question, David, then we gotta take a break. Oh yeah, Roderick, we talked a lot about the guys at the top, but he wants to know about Day three safeties, like kind of down the line safeties. Guys you like day three safeties? Um, Lorenzo Jerome, the Saint Francis kid that yeah talked about. He didn't run very didn't run well, but he's a

good player, right and little undersized. But I think, hey, if I'm a team that you know, watch the tape and really likes the player, I like those numbers because he could maybe fall to me in the you know, fifth round. U. Here are some names if people need to know. Delano Hill from Michigan Harting safety, you move. I like him quite a bit. Um. What about May

the kid from Florida, Florida. I think he's a well you think he's higher than that, and he's a Day two safety, but with him coming off the injury, he late day two or yeah, a third rounder. Okay, Justin Evans from A and M's interesting. See that's Justin Evans was the next guy who was going to ask you

about the guy can't tackle. See that's the biggest that's not what I like, And that's the you say, Justin Evans is interesting, And there's places where you watch him and then all of a sudden he hits somebody knocks him out, hits somebody knocks him out, and then there's four plays in a row where he completely misses, and it's just it's bad angles. Uh, poor technique. Just the guy flies and you know he wants to make the tackle, but more often than not he doesn't. Yeah, and he

misses a lot more to makes. I'd rather have an unathletic guy who makes every tackle like Barry Church and a guy but at some point does he is he worth it? You know? Well? Yeah, you know. And that's the thing is justin Evans might go in the second or third round because he can fly, and a team will get over zealous and think they can fix that. But early day three, if you can get him in the fourth, if you if you're the cowboy, give him the late fourth round, you know you're getting a guy

that can help you. Insolent he might beginning. You might be getting JJ Wilcox. Yeah, you might be able to groom him into something. Yeah, let me all right, he's a blow him up, miss him guy. I'm hijacking this real quick, real quick. But I don't think anybody in the draft media dislikes Quincy Wilson as much as y'all. And you think he's a safety, Yeah, I don't. I'm not a fan of the player at all, even if he plays safety. No, And would you would you draft him?

That's where I was going with this. I mean, like it's staggering to me because I feel like he is universally seen as a first round pick unless I'm talking to y'all, and then he's like a Day three guy. Yeah, I've got a two three on him as a safety. Okay, so I would draft him at some point on Day two, but he's I don't trust him my corner. I don't see the first round hype at all. I don't either. He's one of those guys I think that the scout media has got him way, way, way too high. So

would you draft him? All right? And the other guy we he's got to himy ketchup speed? No, I mean he is, yeah, the whole thing with me. He'll try and jump routes and do all that. But you know you would Where would you draft him? I'm with Dane it's two three yeah, well not two three. I'm more I'm more like in the three range. So you would draft Desmond King to play safety over I love Desmond King is a safety. I know you do. I did.

That's maybe the most interesting discrepancy I've seen so far, as like you two would just hate this kid, but he's like seen as a Quincy Wilson. Yeah, we could be. I could be wrong about him. Well, and we don't. I mean, I I just too. Hey, yeah, you know I said my notes. I love is toughness, not his speed. He's a he's got rich, he's but he's got trouble closing. I just don't think. I don't don't think he's a great player. And everybody's got him jacked up on the

top of that board. I don't have him because of the splash plays. Yeah, some of those interceptions he made. He's a big guy, lockdown tackler. Yeah, good luck. If you're six one or taller and you play a position like that, people tend to fall in love. Watch him draft this kid, and then I have to sit here and the amount of corners in this draft that are bit Kevin King what he did, yes Washington, Yeah, I

mean a lot of these guys. Uh, It's gonna be interesting to see how early because first round, late, first round, early second round, they're gonna fly off. They're gonna fly off the board for sure. Okay, we gotta take a break. Yeah, thanks everybody out there for Twitter on the twenty, we has some breaking news. Okay, go ahead, can what do you got our show? He didn't. Broncos are set to sign Ron Leary. Wore a year deal. Were thirty five

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were gonna get into a beast with the drops. We've got to We've got about the about twelve minutes left in the show here, and so Dave, I want to go ahead and get to your get to your little your little game here so we can get this started and maybe drive some more conversation about it. And if we have a couple of minutes here at the end of the day, I also want to maybe take a call or two Ken if we can get those lined up. That numbers eight eight, five, five, two two nine seven.

It's on your screen if you want to get on the Draft show and we can hit you with a you hit us with a couple of quick questions, We'll be happy to do that. So Dave go ahead. This is interesting to me because it's I'm obviously one of the darlings of the combine combined with a darling for the Cowboys fan base. I feel more surprised John Ross's four two two forty or Zay Jones with a four

four five. This one's easy, Zay Jones, say Jones, I mean, we knew John Ross could run, but that I mean, but to run that fast, I mean, I it's great. I don't really did you think he was gonna go into four twos. I think some teams have I think some teams, I think the numbers are gonna come out that some teams had him in the four the four one seven, four one six, Right, I know you tweeted out you you got some confirmation going on six and

four one nine one flocks. So look, he said during his interview that the fastest he ever ran was a four to three. Yeah, you know, so, I you know, I'm expecting a fourth three runs a fourth two. He's blazing. That's fast. But you know, I know he's fast. I don't really think a four two is gonna make me push him that much further. Does does the four two really do anything for you? Like for me? It doesn't, to be totally honest, especially he's a first round player.

Though he is a first run This is not a track guy. This guy's no no, no history scared that, but Jesus had no. Absolutely it does. I don't and no offense to John Ross like he scares the crap out of me. He should absolutely, And that's why I Zay Jones, I mean, that's a that's a solid forty time. It's not yeah popping, but it's eye popping when you compare it to the tape and and everything he's getting since the draft cycle started has been like impressive and

surprising in a good way. Flip it, flip it. Then it put put Chris Godwin in there. Then Chris Godwin Orszay Jones. Chris Godwin with rolling down there at a let's see what he had two range? Yeah that one state wide receiver I see and big body guy. Both of these guys didn't run to that level on film. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But with Zay Jones, I feel like you can better explain it because the offense that he came from right exactly. He wasn't asked to go

vertical very much. You know. I've mentioned the stats, only one hundred and fifty eight catches, only four over thirty five yards, just a low, low percentage. So I think we can better explain that. But with Godwin that that's tougher to explain because there was a lot of times he'd go down the field and you see people covered him. Yeah, but he also has that late separation where he can get free. Gary Unconley against Ohio State. Oh there, he got that in the corner or the end zone. So

both these players helped themselves, no question. Uh. With Zay Jones, what he did the Senior Bowl and then what he did hit the combine pretty fresh in everybody's mind. Yeah, that one's that one's going to be interesting. Did he elevate himself around just by running that? Yeah, not just by running that, but I think just since the season ended, yeah, you know, and so he's gone from like a fourth round guy to maybe guy you talk in the second round. He went from a three four to a two three

from me. Okay, that's and that's my point is I don't think John Ross, he was the first round guy before his forty times. It's great, but I don't think it changes anything. Zay Jones is a name that has shot up this pecking order. Yeah, I agree. And one thing I will say about Ross is at this point, I don't think it would surprise anybody if he was the first wide receiver taken. If that's oh, I hate that. Would you throw up in your mouth? A little bit up in my mouth? You like, what if what if

you served twenty eight? I was about to say, I didn't want to cut you all off. I mean, you're gonna be on record for this. I don't I would hate that pick. I don't want to touch a guy who's even had the word microfracture breathed around him at twenty eight. But I'd love I sense absolutely I would take I would take Zay Jones or Godwin at sixty though, and I would be I would stand up, I would stand up and I would clap for that pick. John Ross.

I would go. It's a little bit of leap of faith because you have to hope that he stays healthy. And it's but the luck this team has had with injuries. Well, but you look at the other top receivers. Mike Williams, he didn't run at the forty yard dash because he knows, he knows he can't run and he look and now you're thinking about the old miss kid from last year, right, you can't help it. And if you have Corey Davis, who that's speaking of the record, Yeah, so it's I

don't know, John Ross. If you if a team, if their doctors tell their team and the general manager, Hey, you know what, he's had some injury stuff in the past. We feel really confident where he is right now, and if he gets hurt again, it won't be because of past injury. So if that's if if a trainer tells their head coach that, and their general manager, that wouldn't be shocked. If he's the first receiver taking it scares me. I hate it all right, we're we we got sidetracked. No,

it's a good conversation. More, you're right, you're right. Sorry. More surprising Derek Barnett's for eight one forty Taco Charlton with a four to nine. Oh well, Barnett was sick uh dealing with the excuse well, campaign manager to my right, excuse you sound like one of those sacks. You sound like a s It's just Miles Garrett, like you playing on one like second half of the year, sailin in there.

But no, I mean, well, Barnett, you know, if you're it did run, don't run if you're gonna be you know, it's a kind of I get it. You want to show these guys that you're tough and you know nothing's gonna stop you. But at the same time, um, he's setting it up so he's gonna run a lot better at Tennessee at the pro day, you know he's Yeah, that was a little disappointing. Uh, I don't know, doesn't

he looks like a three four defensive end. In me, it's tough when you talk about defensive ends because I don't really care that much about the forty yard dash. M I mean, it's just you don't how often do you see a run or a defensive end run forty yards without some type of contact, without uh, you know, just any type of You think they would test a little better. Yeah, Yeah, it's surprise that that part of

it is, but that's the testing part. Yeah, But you don't I don't think you downgrade right, I'm talking about numbers like I know what the hell I'm talking I don't know. That doesn't bother Myles Garrett. He's the freak. He can do all the crazy stuff these guys. How about the bench press on Miles Garrett thirty five? That's so far for that bar to go up. I don't care about him. Were I know? No Joey Bosa comments for me? There? Am I crazy for starting to think

that both of those guys could be there at twenty eight? Though? Is that absolutely nuts? With Barnett and Carlton? Maybe I'm buying Maybe I'm buying the you know, everybody goes in ups and downs and it's like a roller coach. We thought Barnett was gonna be mid round, so damn low on him right now. I've got him going top ten. So but would you would you agree with me that it seems like people are just pushing him down. I

feel like that's what I keep seeing. Maybe not if we're sitting here, If we're sitting there Thursday night and he's on the board at twenty eight, are you oh absolutely stopped? Well, No, I don't think he's a top down player. I think I have my mock draft top ten. Yeah, because I do think that teams appreciate the production and that three cone I mean we could, Yeah, you're a dash.

We call like the other numbers. That three cone is what exactly the evidence that team is going to need to say, Hey, this is one of the reasons that you know, helped us come to the conclusion he's our he's our pick in the first round. I know y'all hate my boy Vedante, but do you think he's there at twenty eight? That's Taco? Yeah, sorry, that's Taco Charles. I think he is there. I don't know if i'd take I wouldn't. I wouldn't take him. He can't capture

the edge. It's pretty fair in this. It's the left end. He is a left end in the scot that's fine. Though you need a left end. They have a left end. Well tech, you're right, technically they do. I thought de Marcus Lawrence was a right in coming out of college. So it's what we sat here for two months saying we can go back and find the tape. Oh no, we got some good tape. I was talking about Dak Prescott though, too. Oh my god, it's just I'm so frustrated.

I just want good pass rushers. But he got team all right, I do too, O. J Howard David and Joku twenty Howard twenty two reps at two twenty five and Joku twenty one at two twenty five more surprising. I didn't know if a Joku was that strong, and I'm not saying that twenty one is. I thought Howard would do more what I think he was going to be like a twenty seven twenty eight guy. I don't know. I didn't think that. I thought both were right around

where they needed to be. So that doesn't that neither one of those surprise. You know, maybe in Jokey just because he is so young and he's not really developed to the point where you want him to be. I think he gets stronger former track guy, Yeah, I think. I mean, I don't think he's get much bigger, but I do think he can get stronger, and he needs to at the point of attack to be a better blocker. But he's always he's gonna make his money down the

field as a receiving tight end. He always will. I had a scout tell me, he goes, Yeah, this group of tight ends ran really fast because then him or tight ends, Well, yeah, I have an ingram. He's not a tight end, he's a wide receiver. I I There's might not be anything I love more in football than like an athletic tight end who can create a mismatch. It's just it's one of the most fun things to watch. But and for that reason, I'm intrigued by David and Joku. But I maybe I just have a bad taste in

my mouth from Gavin Escobar. But like I just with the Cowboys second round core, the second round tight end. The Cowboys use him, right, you know, if he can't do what a tight end spos to do with this team know what to do with him. Like they love that. I mean like they want faint, they want Jake Butt. And that's what I can talk myself into. O. J. Howard because he at least he can do it twenty eight. Sure, Yeah,

that's fine, you're a twenty twenty eight. David and Joku though, like I don't I don't need to watch him make like a couple of like three wow plays a year and then catches a year. Yeah, fester on the bench for their Just no, I don't trust them that's shaheen in the second round. That's fine, that's fine, take it round. Went on that he's not gonna fall to your third round. Yeah,

you're you're right. If they just random thought that I had because Dane said point of attack, what if they drafted tack McKinley the headlines right themselves, you know, point of attack, of attack. There you go, speaking of which we talked about. And I'm interested in this because we talked we tack Is. We've beaten him into the ground. We talked about attack and Willis at the beginning. So Willis six point eight five three cone, McKinley seven point

four eight three cone. One guy. Okay, that's full second. Set it up. One guy you love on tape, the other guy you don't love so much on tape, and then they reverse their results at the combine. What does that mean to you? It's confusing. That's the thing that hurts you, because I think there's things with Willis, like we said earlier, that are positive with him. You know that got a great first step, got a great first step.

But McKinley, you're thinking, man like, hey, this guy, I mean, you know, I don't know, I mean, he's he's he's an all He's an all timer to me as far as you know, maybe the guy that could be that edge player, they could play both side. Al timer, well, all timer in the way of he's got that kind of athletic ability. Yeah, And with Willis, there's so many times where you don't see him changing directions. He ends

up way past the pocket. Yeah, you know, and he just doesn't show off that change of direction that he he did in three cone drills. So if he's if he has that type of ability in a three cone I want to see it on the football field, and maybe he can. He just doesn't use that to his advantage when he's in the quarterback. Okay, Tack and Tack and John Ross great players that I just I'm they're off my board. I don't want either one of them

because of injuries, right, yeah, because of injuries. All that's just I don't need it. I don't need that stress up. This will be really interesting. Can't do we have time for one call? Well, everybody check it in. Have one call? Yeah, who do we got can't go ahead? Donovan, Donovan, you're on with the guys. Go ahead, Hey, guys. Huge fan here from Charlotte. You big fan of A Jones. I also go to UCU, so see him around campus. He's an awesome dude. I just want to ask you guys

real quick, what exactly happened with Ruben Foster. I'm curious about that. I haven't seen a whole lot on that. Do you guys think you will possibly drop to twenty eight? Um? Also, Tim Williams, did you guys learn a whole lot about his offield issues. I'll get off and I'll listen to you guys on there. Yeah, thanks to the call. What

I know about Foster real quick? And we were not at the Alabama prote I'll try and figure out some more things about Williams and that combined, you really didn't learn a whole lot listen to him talk about that. But what I learned about Foster was that they were they were in a they were in line to get get their medical checks done. And I said it earlier, Foster is taking pain medication for his shoulder, and he had not taken his medication for that. Became a little

bit irritable in that situation. Had an altercation with an attendant there at the hospital about how long things were taken a lot of these kids. I've said it before. I mentioned on a radio bunch that this is a very very very long day for them. The medicals, it's very difficult because the colleges no longer give the doctors the medical information they need. So it's basically seen three hundred and twenty new patients if you're doctors, So it

becomes a very long day. I've heard of some groups getting split up at the combine going to get a check done and then that trying to save some time, and then the same the group that went early had to come back again the next day to get more things done. So yeah, it sounds it sounds like to me though, that that foster became very agitated with the situation. There was the altercation right there. Some people had to grab him before he got to two out of hand there.

As far as as far as where he falls, I don't think he falls, I really really not drastically. No. And I had some I had some doctors and trainers and scouts and stuff tell me this. They said, they said that they're surprised this has not happened before. Yeah, and something needs to be done again. Not defending the kid, but it's a difficult situation. These kids, they're trying to get to meetings, they're trying to do the right thing. He was wrong in what he did and get to

the altercation. But it sounds like though that he was in some discomfort and then that's what led to his agitation. Williams. I mean, his press conference was not overly impressive. No, not at all. I mean, you know, people, you want to talk about the specifics of the baggage. You're talking about drug stuff, right, You had a firearm so he carries in his car all the time, they said, and it would not do and like yeah, so yeah, so you just have to worry about who's who are the

type of people he hangs around with. Yeah, you know, is the people he surrounds himself with. He's a hard guy to trust, and because of those trust issues, I think there's a much better chance we see him one day two than we do day one. Ye could be that guy the war Daddy's past. If he's we talked about it at the combine, If they're at sixty, oh my god, report two. Yep, there you go. Okay. I want to thank you everybody out there for listening. Thank

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