Draft Show: Combine Preview; Mid-Round Prospects

dot Com, and Kik Garrison, Executive Producer. Welcome to our show before we leave for Indianapolis Tuesday and spending a week at the Combine. Looking forward to that. Always an interesting time of year. We've seen these players, a lot of them on tape. Now we get the opportunity to physically talk to them. Teams get to do the same, and they also get the medical information, which I always

think is the most important thing. But as we go along and flow through this show, we want to give you guys an opportunity to be a part of it as well. We do take questions throughout the show. We do take questions for Twitter on the twenty. You can get a hold of us that way at the Draft show. Make sure you're following that all the information about what we do on a weekly basis, what we're going to

do at the Combine. It looks like right now we're gonna have shows that are going to go from Wednesday through Saturday while we're there in Indianapolis. So a lot of great content for we much like what we had for the Senior Bowl. Dave, Dane, myself, we will talk about what we see from the day. We'll have Jeff Kavanaugh on, Kevin Turner and then Dan Turner will be joining us, coming all the way from London and so excited for him to get an opportunity to be a

part of that with us. But and I could say, you can get the questions in today for that. We'll do Twitter on the twenty and then there's also the phone number here on the screen eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. We'll take some of your calls a little bit later in the show and see what you have to say as we get into the Combine. Guys, pretty straightforward question, what are we really

looking for the most? What I mean now, Dave, you've been this will be your second, Yes, combine, what do you I have an idea what this guy's going to look for, but what and maybe not specifically a player or anything, but what the experience that you have, the interaction you have with the combine, Well, just the fact that it's my second one. I'm just grateful that I kind of know the ropes now and how hectic it

is because have you never been there. There's about ten different things going on in different, ten different locations all the time. I mean, you got obviously the on field stuff, which we're not privy two is constantly happening, and then the interviews are going all day in the stadium, and then you know, team officials are speaking, there's there's the

competition committee meets two or three times this week. The every head coach and every general manager in the league is going to hold the press conference, and that's in its own special little spot. So it's like it's just a whirlwind of things that are happening literally every day that you're there, and it's kind of overwhelming when you don't really know where it all is. So I'm just happy to have the lay of the land this time around. What are you looking forward to vision with these players

a little bit. Yeah, absolutely, I mean we were joking about this like a week ago. How funny it was when Dante Fowler kind of took a shout at the Buccaneers last year just seeing and i mean the Senior Bowl was one thing, but it's nothing compared to like how much press is going to be here for the like I mean what it's something like, there's a thousand

credentials issues for this thing. I mean, it's it's on par with It might not be as it's not as crazy as Super Bowl Media Day, but it's it's as big of a spotlight as most of these guys are going to have ever been under before. Uh, and it's always interesting to see how they handle it. You can kind of tell some guys are a little more savvy and some guys are not. I mean they're coming from completely different places and backgrounds. So um, yeah, I'm and

you know, pick your guy. I mean, I think every quarterback that has a decent draft grade, I mean, I'll go back to him again. I'm he's my guy, so I'll just keep going to him. I'm fascinated to see Cardel Jones and just his whole process this week, he's probably gonna say something crazy, or at least I would expect he is. His numbers are going to be interesting. So and I mean that goes for everybody too. I mean, GoF Lynch, they're all gonna throw it. Sound like so

nobody got scared and that's a positive right there. Yeah, yeah, I got scared yet not yet. You never know, you know, couple right before the quarterbacks pols to throw, you know, tweak a wrist or something. You never know, but fingers or hopefully we see all the quarterbacks stroke. But no, you're right about Crodel. I don't know really how you have a good grasp of him as a prospect right now. I think the combine and how he performs the rest of the way. Yeah, he's really gonna shape where he

ends up in this draft. Okay, let's get the nuts and bolts of this thing, though, Dane. Give me some guys that you know, and you can you can bounce around whatever, you know, just take a take a broad view of really what the you know, the combine it's twenty three, yeah, so you can. There's a plenty of stories like Dave talking about we'll be there for every one of them, and I'll be talking and I'd say that's the I mean, the goffs of the world are

gonna have like this big podium. And I mean James Jamis Winston had a crowd like eighteen deep to talk to him last year. But then there's some cool stuff to learn from these guys who were just kind of sitting by themselves. You know, they're not a big enough deal to merit a press conference, so you can kind of learn some interesting things. Oh you can't get some get some good insight on these guys just kind of sitting and talking to him, and you could see the

players are a little overwhelmed too. Yeah, and they sit down, they're like, you know, and all of a sudden, these questions come firing at them. And now not only they have to deal with the questions, because in the media, everybody knows you're off the field problems, you know, And then and the teams know you're off the field problems and they're digging to them. But the media now they're now they're attacking you on off the field problems as well.

If you if you have off the field problems right, and you could break the combine in the four areas. That's the measurements, the interviews, the medicals, and then the on field at Jilly Drills and so for us with the interviews as such a paramount part of this process learning more about the player, figuring out as much as you can about them as a person. And I think the medicals you hit the nail on the head. That's

the most important part of the fun. And that's really why the combine was invented, you know, just to get the full medical information to all thirty two NFL teams. And that's why it's in Indianapolis. It's because indian Hospitalist has enough machines to you know, you figure three and twenty MRIs and just they have the equipment to handle that. So, um, you look at the different categories for measurements. Jared Goff, what's his hand size? Twenty three fumbles in college the

last three years. Yeah, he doesn't have that build that you want. He's he has the hype, but not the build. What are his official measurements? Vernon Hargraves, we talk about a cornery. He has the competitive toughness that you want. He has the instincts, but he's not the biggest, not the fastest. Vernon Hargraves has first round ability, but what will he measure in at Corey Coleman another one. Yeah, we'll see if he is he is he closer to

five eleven, closer to five to nine. We'll have to see how he measures in a lot of these interviews. Connor Cook, it's important for him, especially since he skipped them, or the Senior Bowl guy like Robert Kimdigi who has his all his issues off the fuel, plus some questions about how much does he love the game of football. Rochard Robinson. Here you go a guy who's gonna he told told us he's gonna run the fastest forty at the combine at six two eighty five. But the real

thing will be the interviews. How does he do you know? He hasn't played in a year and a half for several issues that are of his own doing, and so how will he making an injury being one of them? That is one of them. Yeah, and he's owned up to them. He told us that, you know, he's he was immature, he was he was young and he's learned from it. We'll see if he can convince teams. Dave being in a lum of Ellis. You talk about Robinson

a little bit. Did we say it? Were we on the show when we said I thought he was better than Tradevious White when he was playing, like when he which he played one year, it was he was a true freshman across from White. And they beat out They actually they they took Jalen Collins's job away, the guy that we talked so much about last year. They pushed

Mills the safety. Yeah right, I mean he's a he's a talented dude, and we've talked about it before that when you start talking about corners that are six foot and above, yeah, he picks two. People start getting really interested because of that Richard Sherman effect. Um. I mean, he's talented as hell, but if you do it enough stuff wrong that you can't get on the field of LSU, that's a pretty big rep. Yeah, that's that's that's a

big issue right there too. And I know cowboy fans out there don't want to hear about another LSU corner showing up. But this guy is a talented football player. Dan, you talking about it, the range, the length, you know, you know, at times I think you felt like though you didn't I don't want to put words him out. I felt like he maybe played a little light. He is very light. He gets pushed around on the field by receivers too easily blocked, just rail thin um. And

the technique's a mess. I mean, he shows the athleticism to stay within arms length because he just that good of an athlete in his arms are that long. But the techniques a mess and needs a lot of work there. Uh, and just the accountability issues and it's not just one thing with him. He was a late qualifier because of academics. He didn't even show up to LSU until a week

before the season opener his true freshman year. Uh, he was suspending multiple times for the season opener two fourteen against Wisconsin and then for the Alabama game indefinitely, and that he'd never returned to the team and they pretty much told him, you know, in January, don't come back. And so for Robinson, he had a choice. And it reminds me of the Noah Spence situation a little bit.

Noah Spence could have bolted to the NFL. Instead, he went to Eastern Kentucky worked to rebuild what was left of his NFL draft stock, and he stayed clean at Eastern Kentucky was productive and now we're talking about Noah Spence as a possible top ten player, even though he has this tremendous baggage. Richard Robinson, he sat out the last year and a half instead of transferring to a lower level school and kind of helping himself by trying

to rebuild his draft stock. So he went a different route. We'll see if it pays off for him or if you know, it's really gonna come down to the combine for him, how he interviews. And I think he's gonna test very well, but the interview process is really the most important thing for him. All these defensive backs. So do you think he's going to test the best? You have a guy in mind that you would that you would think would would Jalen Ramsey'd be that guy for you.

I think so, I mean, this is he. He also was a part of Flora States track team. He won the ACC long jump Championships. So he's gonna the lower body explosion, which we'll see, you know, the broad jump, the vertical uh and just you know the ten yards split. I don't think he's gonna run a four to three. You'll probably run more in the four four range, but he's a tremendous athlete, so I think, yeah, Jalen Ramsey

definitely one of the top guys. Dave A lot of people here, you know, Cowboy fans always ask about Jalen Ramsey though, but we kind of get in a little bit of an idea that maybe that if he would be selected with this team, playim at corner. I mean, if you if you're kind of gauging what they're gonna potentially do with Byron Jones being a safety, well don't I mean Byron Jones, But I think it probably comes down to what else happens with your cornerbacks too. I mean, uh,

is Carr gonna be here? Are you gonna bring back Mo Claiborne, Are you gonna sign a free agent? You got scanned, You have Scandrick, and right now you have car. I if I had to guess, I would say car is going to be on this team. But that's definitely not a guarantee with the cap situation the way it is.

So if you cut Brandon car or if you don't bring back, if you don't add to the position in free agency, maybe you know you're sitting there thinking, well, we got Bury Church and we got JJ Wilcox, who can play safety if they have to. We don't have a whole lot in the way of corner depths. So yeah, just kind of getting a vibe though that the Cowboys are thinking about putting Byron Jones at safety full time. No,

I don't even think that's a vibe. I think it's I mean, you know, nobody's told me this, but I just kind of feel like that's the move. I don't I don't see that that leaves to be. Now, Dane and we're talking about Ramsey. Keep you from moving Ramsey to safety, though, I still think you could play him at safety even with Byron back there. No, I'm trying

to help two spots here. Yeah, because well, you know, I think if they drafted Jalen Ramsey, I think he would have a Byron Jones type role as a rookie. I think it would be very I think he would be kind of a everywhere guy. Nicole le dime corner. All Right, you've seen a lot of Jalen Ramsey, Jalen Ramsey. Can Jalen Ramsey do that for you? Can he? You know this week you're gonna play a little corner. Next week, you're gonna play a little safety. Going back and forth

on this, I think he can. He's to me, he's a better safety. I think that's when he shows off his playmaking skills when he's in space, keep everything in front of him, doesn't have to turn. That's one of the most comfortable. But he has the athleticism, he has the playmaking skills to play on the outside, you know, play in man coverage, and then if you want to move him the next snap. I think he can do it. He can handle that. He's done it all at Florida State.

His versatility, H. He's a smart kid. To me, I would have no problem inserting him into that versatile Byron Jones type of role. Yeah. Do you do you think he's a better corner than Byron Jones was last year? All right? When Byron Jones came out in the draft. It's a good question, um, because see we had Byron Jones in the first round. I mean there's probably three or three guys ahead of him, I believe, not yeah, not top ten. H. We're talking Jalen Ramsey, right, So

that's again I like Jalen Ramsey better at safety. But as a corner. I think he had definitely has more upside than Byron Jones does, just because of his his size and his skill at the speed that he has for that that that position. So I don't know if he can come in and contribute as well as Byron did as a rookie at corner, but I think long term he's the better corner. Kind of sounds like he's

not interested in picking it. I'm not trying to put words him out, but the description the scouches told me here is if I'm looking at him at playing corner, yeah, you know, why am I taking him? If he's if he's a better safety than he is a corner, well that I mean, if they're and again this is just me, but just talk, you know, we're just talking here. I mean, if I'm taking Ramsey, I want him to play safety too. I don't want him to play corner. Yeah, that's just

my opinion. He can do it though, and I think that's it's not that he can do all right. I mean, if you're gonna get into the nuts and bolts of the Cowboys situation, sure again, you could draft him to kind of be in every man maybe at an extra body at corner play Nicole Play, dime Berry Church and JJ Wilcox are both only under contract for one more year. That's fair. So you're looking at I mean, you're looking at not having a lot of depth at safety next year.

So maybe, I mean you don't need him at safety as a rookie and then maybe you move him to safety later. Where do they need him the most? Right now? This team needs cornerbacks more than anything else. Yeah, even if so, again, cornerbacks maybe not where he scout scaring me a little bit, And I don't disagree with is he scaring you? I don't think he's saying anything scary, but he's telling me he's a better safety than he is a corner. Great, you're not drafting him to play corner,

but he could do both. He can do both. Then again, did you draft Byron to do what he did this year? That was that the role that you had in mind for him, the permanent role. And I think that's the point is, Yeah, when they drafted Byron Jones, they draft him saying, you know, he's going to be a safety, He'll be a corner or he'll be a little bit of both. With him, he'll be he'll it's a twenty seventh pick though, too sure, And I don't think to you know where his pick doesn't matter to me in

terms of are you worried? That's I mean, I'm just I'm just trying to I'm trying to get some discussion now about that. That's because because but I think you're scared and you don't need to be. No, No, I'm not. It's not scared because I'm okay with Ramsey. I'm just trying to make people think out there. If they come out and play him initially at corner and it does it, and they draft him and it doesn't look good, then

you then you do. You do have the Billy us. Okay, well he's a safety now he I mean, but can you afford that with a team that needs corners? That's what I'm saying. Well, and that's I think that's the I mean, you think about the modern NFL. How often this team is in you know, five and six defensive back looks. Get him, get a single high stuff here, play him however you want to play him as a rookie and then he can play safety later. I mean,

and that's if he's the first round pick. You're gonna have him for five years too, so I'm not worried about him. Get him on my team. Okay, that's what I want to hear. That's what I want to hear. I want to hear that, not the hell. I think he's a better safety than a corner. And you know where i'd love to see him play is kind of as that, like Rover, he'd star, right, that's what they call it after Let him do that. Let him be a nickel or dimeback that just doesn't really have an

assignment but messes things up. Well, that's why I say, you know, if you do that all day, you're looking for a combination of a corner, safety, and linebacker. That's Jalen Ramsey. He's just a little bit of everything. And to try and say he's exclusively this or that, because it's a wrong way to treat the player, Yeah, I know. I don't disagree. I'm just on the other side of it.

I'm trying to say this team needs corners, sure, you know, and all of a sudden you're thinking about and there's a reason why you don't take hard graves and guys like that. Because Will McClay is allergic to small corners. Sure, that's why you know when if when everybody starts at what would they take Hardgraves at four? I don't think they would, because again Will, Will's going to convince Jerry and Stephen that we don't need to play with a

small corner. And it shows up on tape on Hardgrave his tape, he plays small a lot of times, and he's just he doesn't have the arm length that you wont he's he's going to measure in probably about five ten. So it shows up on tape too. This isn't draft related, but everything we're saying right now just confirms my belief that Brandon Carr's not going anywhere. I don't think he's a guy that you can eat. His salary sucks, there's

no way around it. It's a well they carried it last year saying yeah, I mean they had a chance last year to cut that thing in half and do it. I don't think they can afford to go into this season without him. For everybody that wants to hate on him, he's a serviceable starter who's never missed a game. And if you cut him, then you're talking about having one cornerback who knows what he's doing, who's coming off major knee injury. Yeah, I don't know that the kids played

last year Mitchell. Yeah, okay, you want Mitchell to be dude, No, but I'm horrible. No, I'm just saying I know that that's that's something new. Before we get to our before we get to a break though, talk about some other guys, some importance of you know, I'm gonna tell you this. I think this is I'm interested in seeing what Derrick Henry really runs. Yeah, okay, And I'm not a Derrick Henry fan, and I don't know necessary if the Cowboys are Derrick Henry fan, but and you know, just gets

the impression. Then I don't get the impression they are at all. But I'm interested because I have a four or five four time? Yeah, and I and I'm and I but I don't see it. I don't see it. So I do. I see a four or five time, But the straight line speed doesn't worry me at all. Yeah, Derek, it's the movement exactly. How does he do in the three cone? How does he do in the short short shuttle? I want to see how he does in those short

area tests. That'll give me a better idea of his his quick movements, his ability to move in tight spaces. That's really the big the money tests for for Derrick Henry, not the forty yard dash. In my opinion, I'm interested in seeing Ronald Blair two yeah, from Appalachian stand up. Its open some eyes maybe, yeah, that's the And you know it's funny though he is working. If you if you look at way that the order, he's between Billings

and Bosa goodness. So, I mean there's some you know, there's some potential first round talent that he is gonna you know, and and he's gonna get noticed well. And there's something there's something too that going right after a guy guy there a couple of years ago, it could play to your advantage or it could it could kill you. A couple of years ago, when Eric Fisher and Luke Jokel were back to back, you're watching those two guys. Luke Jokel was talked about it. It's going to be

that number one pick, right. No, Eric Fisher was maybe a top ten guy at the combine. Going back to back like that, Eric Fisher was the by far the better athlete, and I think that showed to the chiefs as well, and that's why Fisher was the first pick. You worried about Miles Jack not doing anything other than basically the bench press burs. No, you know, he's only five months removed from surgery. Usually it's a six to

eighth month type of deal recovery. He if he plans to work out in March fifteen, that is pro day, right, um, But for him it's just gonna be go to the combine. Let let the doctors and trainers look at your knee, let them give you the you know that the thumbs up that hey it's it's almost healed, one hundred percent, no issues long term, and then go kill your pro day. Dave, what's treadwill gonna run? You wrote about that yesterday. I'm interested,

And he's another way. I mean the Scott you said the Scouts have like a four or five something four five two. I think on him, I think if he runs that or better, this is gonna solidify him. I think there's questions about his speed. I bet I bet he'll chunk up one. You do two times, right, I bet he'll chunk up a four or six and then improve it and get it somewhere in the four or fives. I don't think he'll be that big of it. You don't that that jump I don't think will happen. I don't.

That usually doesn't happen that way. But I bet one will be significantly better than the other. Well, okay, what's watching him on tape? Speed wears speed on his list of strengths. It's down, It's way down. Yeah, but does seem separate. But it seems separate because he doesn't need speed to be a productive wide receiver. So if he runs, but you, Dane, you've been in this a while, you do, Yeah, there'll be questions about his speed, right, Yeah, it doesn't matter.

It'll matter to you know, X amount of teams out there. Sure, absolutely, If he runs a four or five eight and that's his best time, some teams will have question marks. But DeAndre Hopkins ran a four to five seven at the at the combine. I mean I don't care about speed at all? Is that? I mean? Well, all right, that's right, I care, but not you're not gonna overvalue Yeah, with the with the you know, because a lot of it. A lot of these guys trained for the forty yard dash.

It's you know, they're not used to putting their hand on the ground and you know, a track stance and right coming off the ball, like that amount of trust the tape. As long as he runs in the four or five, that's once he runs in the four five zero Warrior. If he runs four four eight, he's gonna go in the top five. Was he going to go to the top five anyway? I think he still could, but I feel like it's it's early, but I I'd see him more as like a top twelve guy now

than the top five guy. I think he's gonna be a top fifteen guy because I think there's a lot of there's a lot of teams out there that don't believe in taking a wide receiver top ten unless they're special or have you know that one distinguishing trait um. And so I think he could go as high as top five or but somewhere in the top fifteen. And could he be the slider in this draft? Sure? I mean, what's what's what's sliding out of the top ten? Yeah, it's okay, He's say we all kind of have a

guy that could be taking it four. Yeah, because he is that top there there's so many variables with him because he is the top receiver, and if he's if you don't get that top receiver, there's so many options in the second round. Are so there's a lot of teams picking top ten that are thinking, I could take Treadwill here, or I could take you know, a player that at a position that's not as deep, and I can get my wide receiver in the second or third round and say he runs four four eight. Does that

make their decision easier? Shouldn't, but it might. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Dude, who have been the wide receivers in the last like handful of years that have been good enough to go in the top ten? I have been pretty beastly. Just for the record. I mean, if if if a guy has a skill set that he's worth going that high, he's probably gonna be pretty good. And one more guy before we go, I know, kid's going nuts here right now because we got to get

to a break. One more guy I'm interested in his Paxiston Lynch. Not many people have been talking about Paxston Lynch, and I have a feeling that Paxiston Lynch is going to come in here and blow a lot of people away with his workout. Yeah, I get questions all the time, why is he falling? He's not falling not. People just aren't talking about him right now because there's nothing to talk about. But I agree at the combine, he'll unleash that arm and he'll look good. Don't be some things? Yeah,

I said that. I tweeted that. I thought I was like, in a couple of weeks, we'll be talking way more about this guy than we are right now. He will be in the conversation when we start going next week. His agent loved it because he retweeted me mister mister Steinberg. Yeah, he was really excited about Jerry McGuire. I'll tell you what. Hey, hey, old school at school agent right there, he's seen that, he's seen Basically he has said, okay, can't I go

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He wants to know. Um, you know, Miles Jack is the kind of the guy DuJour of the week for the Cowboys, and it's a really interesting point that I've been reading about. You know, you look at guys like Gerard Mayo, Patrick Willis, m I know Chris Portland wasn't a top ten pick, but he obviously retired. It's not a position that seems to have a whole lot of longevity, but it's certainly not for top ten pick standards. And does that concern you when you think about taking Miles

Jack at four. I think it has to enter to the conversation because linebacker is basically the running back on defense. You know, they're the position that is there's so much contact on each play. They're not the biggest guys. They're not like the defensive lineman, and so safeties and linebackers. It is something that you have to consider. But at the same time, uh, you know, we're talking about something that could happen eight years from now, you know, if

they retire at thirty years. So it's not something that is going to scare me away from drafting a player at top ten, But it is something that I think, you know, should be in the discussion. Try and play without one, you know what I'm saying. That's and you play with a bad one, get get see how bad your defense looks when you have and you get how bad you get exposed not having a good mic linebacker, good linebackers. You know, we see that all the time.

We got on we got on Bruce Carter all the time for not being able to carry the wheel and stuff, and everybody's screaming and yelling and they're screaming at Sean Lee because he can't stay. But just play without guy. This defense, How much different is it without Rolando McClean playing in the middle of it. You know that was the conversation. Just go ahead and don't draft one of

those guys and they'd be crappy on defense. That's fine if if that's the I mean, so you draft this guy four over I seven years out of him, you know what, And I just keep drafting because you know what, I know for seven years, I'm gonna have a damn good football. Plus the thing, yeah, you can't. There's no way to predict that. I mean, you could draft you

know what. Look at Calvin Johnson. I mean he's hanging it up up and sure, you know it, with a game of football, you never know with injuries and when these guys want to hang it up. So I'm not going to worry about something that could happen seven eight years. My job. My job is to find players. My job is to find him and add him and win games. Chances are you're not gonna be with this team in seventy eight years. In the next two to three. Maybe drafting a linebacker at four get me fired. But I

you know what I'm saying. I just I don't want to. I don't think you could be scared like that. Yeah, I agree, but I also feel like though you have to, especially at that top pick, you have to be able to find the guy though that you feel the most comfortable with. Sure, okay, uh, Xavier wants to know, and all right, for all we've beaten defensive tackles into the ground. I feel like, sure, and we'll talk about him again.

I'm positive. But he wants to know. So let's say you pass on bos so you don't address your pass rush at fort stake. Be that as it may. You don't do it for whatever reason, Xavier wants to know some pass rush, let's say, defensive ends in the second or third round, that you might be able to recoup with. I think it depends on what kind of pass rush

you're looking for. I think you have a guy like Ronald Blair, who talked about him about who doesn't matter who he played on tape, he beat up everyone he faced. Uses his length, well, uh, he has. He's not the guy that's gonna win the corner every time with speed, but he'll go through the shoulder of the blockers with his power and his quickness and his playing with violence

with his hands. Um and so I think Ronald Blair's in that second round of Scuss Calhoun, and that's where he's maybe a little bit different, where he's a pass rush specialist. There. You know, he's gonna be a liability versus a run once teams are able to kind of get that block that first move. He's shut down a lot of times. And so if he doesn't win with that initial quickness, I'm not a big believer in Calhoun as a consistent edge rush Oba, who is an interesting story.

You know, born in Africa, came over here and just he's still learning the game. I don't think he has a huge high ceiling. But talk about a great kid off the field who's gonna put in the work day end day out. That's Emmanuel Ova, and I think he can be a starter in this league. I don't think he's going to be a difference maker. But if you're talking second third round looking for a defensive end, then

he might be the guy. What you think of Carl Nassa about the Senior Bowl, Yeah, no, that was that was a nice surprise because I liked him way more at the Senior Bowl than I liked his college. Yeah, his college to him. He watched the pen Steak. Guys. We watched that other defensive end play, settle play the other day, and I was kind of like, man, I found myself watching nas More doing settles, just a tweener

defensive end tackle. I'm okay. What I saw I saw a much better technique player, and I didn't I really didn't expect that. I thought i'd just see really a try hard guy that really didn't have any pass rush skill or played with his hands or was able. But he could do all those things. I mean, he was able to capture the edge a couple of times, get down the line. I mean there's some some positive things. It's like the he's like the ultimate late bloomer. Didn't

start a single game in high school. Yeah, he didn't start until last year in Penn State. So but one guy, he's gonna have I think a big combine. Jihad Ward, did you figure out where you're gonna play him? Well? And that's that's what's You're gonna get different answers from everyone you talk to because he played mostly end on

the college film, kicked inside sometimes on passing downs. Uh. He's two hundred and ninety six pounds, which is not your prototypical defensive end, right, but with his athleticism it fits. And he's a good looking kid. Mike Tomlin loved that. Oh gosh, the trades don't necessarily translate the football production right now. I think he's still pretty raw, but he's gonna blow up the combine. He's gonna test really well

for a guy that's almost three hundred pounds um. And so I think we're gonna see jahad Ward move up, up, up, maybe into the back half of the round one or early second round. So could be in the discussion at thirty four. Victor O. St Stony Brooks never had a player draft. Really, Oh no, Stony brook Let him tell you about this guy had a player draft. You're talking he could be the first he was. He was a top three player at the Shrine game. Yeah, I go

second or third round. We're just talking. Yes, yes, I just like this is like the reverse sweet reverse pass. Like it's a little too cute. Guys. Brook. He's when you get to the middle round, I think fourth, fifth round, that's when you start talking about him. Um. I hope you're sitting in that chair and we have our draft coverage. I'll be here. Yeah. He did a great job as Senior Bowl practices. It was great to see. You know,

he popped on the film. But seeing him, you know, five feet away from me, uh, you know, using his lank, he's short's long arms, and he extends well into blockers. He's quick. Um, and so I think Victor Occi probably better maybe in a three to four, but uh, we're gonna be talking about him as a middle round possibility. There you go. Okay, we went in depth on that question. Absolutely. Hey, y'all went all the way to the y'all went to Stony Brook, which is on Long Island. For anybody that

wants what do we do? We investigate and educate. That's that's education, right, that's education. Okay. Uh. You hear so many people like put down the combine because it's the underwear Olympics blah blah blah, it's not real football, but we love going every year. Well, absolutely, Professor Negro, he wants to know, uh, he wants he's a good follower.

If no, he is right, absolutely agree. He wants to know if there's two or three indicators that you do take specifically seriously from the combine with hand measurements is something that comes up a lot, and it depends on the position. And he meant, you know, different positions I guess obviously lead to different things. But if there's a handful that lead in a you know, that light table to indicate success. Let me tell you what I used to look at all time. One of my favorite things

to look at with cornerbacks is the short shuttle. If you get a guy, If you get that, you watch and if they show the shuttles on as NFL Network got the coverage, I think, yeah, yeah, if they show the shut the short shuttles, pay attention to how that works because to me, lateral agility that tells you a lot about it. And you could see if a player, especially a secondary guy, is stiff or a linebacker, it's really yeah. If there's if there's if they're struggling, to

reach and then to explode. It tells you a little bit about that type of that player. But keep an eye on those guys under four under four seconds on those defensive backs tells you a lot about foot quickness. Something I've learned over the years, just you know, scouting and learning from this process. One of the most important qualities for a player at any position, maybe besides quarterback, is how he plays in space. Right, And it doesn't matter what the position is. How they play in space

tells a lot about the player. And you know NFL success and so at the combine, to me, the three cone drill, that's that's my favorite drill because that shows changing direction. Uh, you know, his ability to put his foot in the ground quickly, redirect and burst. Uh. So I you know, it depends on the position. Like we said, a quarterback, hand size, Uh you want at least nine in a quarter. If fits below that, then you start

to worry a little bit. Um For I think length is something that shows up for basically almost every position. If you're a corner, if you're defensive lineman, offensive linemen, you want long arms. For wide receivers, the hand size right nine and a half. There are you know better receivers that are short or smaller hands. But nine and a half is kind of like threshold that you want. And so for pass rushers what I what I like

best is the ten yards split. Not many times you're gonna see pass rushers run the forty yard dash, but that ten yards split shows that initial get off with their hand on the ground and how quick they can burst off the ball. So the ten yards splits really important to me for the pass rushers. Yeah. Three cone trail was invented by a who he just lost recently, long time oiler scout and he's the first man that took me out on the road scouting in nineteen ninety two.

I didn't he's the same here. Yeah, that was what was one of my mentors when I grew up. He is, We're gonna miss him. He invented three cone but yeah, our latter native absolutely. Yeah, that question actually kind of answered Joseph's question. He had one specifically drills for linebackers to have an eye on. I feel like we covered a lot right there, Is there or anything? Yeah, Dan

Dane hit it on the space stuff. When you when they when they when they drop them and turn them and then burst and then coming for you could see if they if you could see if a guy is is easily is able to get back to square and then burst, or to get back turn and then burn. Those are the kinds of things, All kinds of space drills are the ones I think they're really Next week, I'm gonna have an article coming out on CBS UM

just breaking down each drill, just item by item. Just I know you you know, fans know what the forty yard dashes. But I'm gonna break it down, just point by point, all the little things that go into the drill and and really the reason why and so they'll look for that. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna put you all on the last one. I'm gonna put you all on the spot. I've never heard of this guy, I bet, I bet one of y'all hasn't. He might even be a big name. I don't know. I don't know as

much as y'all. Chris wants to know what y'all think of Harlan Miller. Cornerback said, the Super Bowl, Oh, which which school? Now? I feel like Southeast Louisiana. Yeah, he's all right, that's the Southeast Louisiana guy. Yeah. I mean I knew there was a Southeast Louisiana guy. I could not have told you his name. Range Kids again, Stony Brook, Southeast Lousiana. The Lions like the Lions play like D

two football. I'm not worried about it, but no, please go ahead and tell me he's a top ten corner in this draft. Yeah. I think he's gonna be a top one hundred. Really. Yeah. I think the Senior Bowl helped him. Uh. I think he's he's gonna be right now. I have him as my number nine corner, so I think he's gonna go so more top eighty type picks. Yeah. I don't disagree with you at all. I The thing about it is he fits into that. He fits into that mold, the six foot well, the measurement, six foot

one eighty two four five. I mean, this guy's a big time effort player. I was just reading through my notes here, and you know I thought that with him, the way he played, the most important thing he did he plays with balance. Yeah. Yeah. When you watch him cover, you know, sometimes cornerbacks when they're trying to run with guys and they kind of they look kirky jerky, and there this guy. This guy's movement skill is really good and when he when he gets him to get settled,

coming back for the ball, but playing in balance. So I really like this guy. So I need to prepare for the inevitability that Southeastern and Stoneybrook are gonna have guys taking off the board this year. That's why we do the draft show, Dave, and we already know who they both are too. And it's only February, so it happens every year. I mean, we're gonna have a North Dakota State player come off the board and ten top

top ten. That's honestly, that's a great point. I kind of take that for granted by now because we've talked so much about Carson. The last time an FCS quarterback went top ten, I guess it is good. Flacco go top ten? You want it like seventeen? Damn, this is like twenty years ago. Oh twenty yeah, twenty years ago. Uh Steve McNairy Alcorn State. There we go, now he went a third. Overall, you made up for that. All right, We're gonna take our We're gonna take our final break.

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Last five minut it's the show, guys. I want to get into some calls, so we're gonna talk a little bit about some middle round guys. I'm gonna throw some names at you, Dane, Dave. Maybe you can tell me a little bit about these guys, just maybe somebody to look at. Just gonna bounce around some different positions and stuff like that. But the last five minutes, Kent, it's gonna line up your call, so be ready for that.

I want to start with Dane wide receiver. I'd like for you to tell me something about Farrell Cooper one of my favorite players in this draft. That's someone I would consider and the top fifty. So you know, he's a playmaker whenever he touches the ball. I think he needs some some route refinement, but he's so good at creating catching the ball in stride. It's Randall Cooper. He when you look at that South Carolina offense, it was

Farrell Cooper. I mean there was I mean, Darrell Adams gave you a little bit at tight end, but the quarterback play was poor the last two years. You know, just the weapons didn't get you much, and it was really just all on Pharaoh Cooper to move the ball, move the chains and and help that South Carolina offense score points. So to me, Pharaoh Cooper is one of

the top five receivers in this draft. Okay, I want you to tell me a little bit about Austin Hooper tied in from Stamford, very vanilla tight end, and he just you know, he blocks, Okay, he catches, Okay, his routes are okay, he creates some separation, not a ton uh. It just he's all all around a solid player, but it doesn't stand out. Doesn't have that one distinguishing trait that he does really really well. And so I think Austin Hooper. Where do you draft a player like that? Uh?

He probably I have a fourth round grade on him, you know, somewhere in the middle rounds a player that can come in and contribute. I don't necessarily see a guy that's going to be able to win one on one consistently with you know, the top linebackers in the NFL. But he's a guy that can, you know, be on your team and help you contribute. Tell me about the offensive tackle at Arkansas, Kirkland See and I actually I'm a guard, uh because he played left tackle at Arkansas,

but I'm kicking him inside. I think that's where it fits his skill set best. And he's a big guy. I'm eager to see what he weighs in at. I think he's listed at like about three forty, so you know, we'll see what is his body type looks like? Played left tackle at Arkansas. Yeah, and he didn't do a bad job there. You've got him at guard too. Yeah, why are you grilling Dane? Well, no, I was just asking him where he I didn't know if he had

him at guard. Okay, I didn't know if you watched the Tate Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and so you liked them better inside. I liked him better inside. I was just making sure. So I was trying to confirm. Maya, see there's some method to my madness. Yere, I'm just confirming my board. This is what I'm doing. You got my guard? Why you got in my garden? Like it's you's sitting right here? Yeah? Anyway, interesting, No, that's that's good.

That means we're seeing the same thing. We're seeing maybe not good for you, but some failed scout like me, we're seeing similar things, which you know. I think that it reinforces that he's a solid player, but probably the best inside, the best fit of skill set. Okay, how about Landing Turner from North Carolina? I struggle with him. A little bit heavy mover, not a guy for different schemes.

He's gonna fit better than others. Reminds me a little bit of Lake and Tomlinson, the Duke guard from last year, who I couldn't believe he went in the first round. I thought he's more of a third, fourth round type of guy. But that's how I see kind of Landing Turner. Maybe, yeah, just he's heavy yea. And so if he moves heavy too, and if your offense, if you ask your offensive lineman do a lot of movement and pulling and different things

like that, he's not your guy. But if you want a guy that can win with power play either guard spot, uh, he can. He can compete for a starting job. I don't see a no brainer, you know, starter, long term starter in the NFL, but he can at least push your starters at the guard position. Running back Jordan Howard from Illinois, He's another guy struggled with. I want Indiana excuse bright. I went back in Ferguson's The Illinois right, Josh Ferguson. I went back and watched more of Jordan

Howard the other day. You know a UAB transfer, You know that that hold and that the disbanded the program. He showed up at Indiana and he took her form Telvin Coleman, and he did really well when he was on the field. A lot of durability issues there with Howard. He's taller than you want for running back, but he knows how to use that forward lean and power. Um. I saw him running to too many of his own blockers.

You know, and I think that that worries me. Between the tackles, if he's gonna be able to hit the hole, hit it with conviction and get to that second level consistently. Do you seem as a complete back though? Was he? I mean? With the run, catch, yeah, block all that stuff. You do see that. And in pass protection he man's up face to face with rushers. He does catch the

ball out of the backfield. He didn't have a ton of production as a receiver, but he had any double digit catches, so you see that he can do it. I like him, not as much as I thought initially, but he's might number six running back in this card. He had procise in this trap, I moved him to the number five I am. I like him quite a bit. It worries me about, you know, the fumbles. He fumbled way too much this year. Sure he has like I've experienced and exactly and then that's why he's so tough.

It is because he was asked to play the running back position a few weeks before the season opener this year. He never played the position ever in his life. He was a wide receiver return man, and so the strides that he showed this year, really impressive, and I think he's only going to get better as the instincts start to catch up, running between the tackles and making quicker decisions. And but the fumbles do worry me. The injuries worry

me as well. He kind of got banged up towards the end of the year and uh, it couldn't finish. So pro Sie worries me a little bit in those respects. But third round, you know, I like him quite a bit. Yeah, I'm number five running back. Hassan Ridgeway from Texas defensive tackle. He was a pleasant surprise. Uh. And it's a good thing that he came out because if he doesn't come out, Texas might not have a draft pick this year. Um,

and so Ridgeway came out as a junior. Uh, he's another guy who has some injury questions that Jeff swaims on the board so he can pick him. That Texas would happen. He so if if if it weren't for Swam, they had no they had another guy. Yeah, yeah, I always Jeff Swain, but they didn't. They didn't have one two years ago. Correct, Yeah, was the first time in seventy years or something like that. Um so. Yeah. Yeah, but he's he's a pleasant surprise because he's you don't

move him. He's tough. Well. I think the most impressive thing about him, besides his strength and his ability to hold the point of attack, was his ball awareness. He sees it, he sheds the block, and he makes a lot of plays at the line of scrimmage. The coaches got on him a little bit about conditioning staying in shape. So that's something I want to find out more at the combine. But he's a good player. I think he's though. It's very good. Yeah, and that's why I put him

in the third round as a future starting one technique. Yeah, see that. That's why I'm looking at him playing a one tech. And he played a lot of three yeah when he was played some five. Yeah, he around the three man. Yeah. How about Leonard Floyd outside linebacker from Georgia. He looks like a J Green uh in a Georgia uniform, and that's for a wide receiver. That's great for a pass rusher not so much. And I'll be eager to

see what he weighs in at. I mean, he's listed about two forty or two thirty five something like that. He's very lean. Yeah, it reminds me a lot of barkievous mingo a player that he's just going well in Cleveland. Yeah, he's gonna test well. Yeah. He talked about that ten yards split for these pass rushers. He can bend really well. Player. But you know the instincts I question, um, you know the runawareness, you know, how can he hold up as a three down player? And he's going to go in

the first round. I'll be surprised if he doesn't because he has the pass rush potential. Um, But should he go in the first round, Like, that's a better question to me. He's more of a mid to late second type of player. How about my linebacker Brown from I'm trying to think, I'm trying to Brown. I'm trying to I'm trying to stump you here on my on the Brown from Akron Oh J Tavis Brown. He was my biggest combine snub. You're not stumping. I've tried to stump

he's Oh, that's right. He was your combines. He was that my number one combined snub five eleven to a move on from there, We'll move on. How about Scooby Wright, He's he's that's another tough one. I'm loving these because you're you're asking the tough questions. Scooby Wright had a professional host here. Well, no, hey, nobody's better at generating Um, what's the word not conflict? But you're just a you're just start up to debate. You're a painting the butt. Yeah,

I haven't pain but go ahead. Twenty fourteen, the production was unbelievable. He had one hundred and sixty tackles, twenty nine tackles for a loss, six forced fumbles. Uh. He was Zach Thomas out there this year. He couldn't stay on the field because he was hurt. And when you watched a film, you see a stiff athlete. You see a guy that plays really Oh there's a lot of people that that. That's all I talk about, Scooby, Right, Yeah, he's so aggressive, but that aggressiveness leads in misstown ales

as well. And so if you are grading him on his eyes and his competitive toughness, he's a first round player. But when you factor in he's a little stiff. Uh. You worry about the discipline and the durability coming back because he does push himself so hard. How bad are those injury concerns. It's something we'll find out the combine because he's beat up a lot, tweaked his knee. I feel like he barely played last He did, played three games.

He tweaked his knee the season opener, came back against UCLA and hurt his foot, and then he returned in the bowl game and he played the bowl game. Okay, so we'll see how he who he is at the combine. But it's it's a player that you have to kind of be a believer in it because he is not the best athlete out there, but he's got a little Zach Thomas to him. Does But it is if Zach Thomas was in today's NFL, would he be as productive?

You know, Zach Thomas twenty years ago could beat up on the run game and you know, didn't have to worry about dropping and coverage as much. Yeah, but in today's NFL will a scoopy right be as productive? Zach Thomas Really is that old, isn't he? Yeah, that's crazy. Zach Thomas another one that's in that same conversation. Yeah, it just makes a ton of tackles. You know, he's able to mask his deficiencies athletically because of his instincts,

he sees it before it happens. And you know, for a guy like Luke Keikley he does as well, but he also has the athletic traits to match. For a guy like Tyler Matacabage, he doesn't quite have the size, the strength or the speed, but he's able to get by with his instincts. And there's a place in the NFL for a guy like that. Sure, But is it as a starter? Is it as a as a backup special teams guy? These guys are the toughest to figure out when their strengths are what they do with their mind,

not necessarily with their athletic ability. Okay, my last guy for you here today. Then how about Will Redmond Corner Mississippi State. Another guy banged up. He's hurt um, but he's in that top ten conversation for corners, Uh, you know, one of the top senior corners this year, not the biggest. That worries me a little bit. Talk about the size because it did lead to some of his durability questions this year. Wasn't able to be at Senior Bowl because

of his injuries. Eager to see an injury update at the combine. You know what's he doing? Is there anymore worries there with his injury because of his build? But he if healthy. He's one of the top ten corners and he is physical thought him, but he comes up and he will lay it on you. Okay, way, it's hard to get one by Old Daney's on this show after the swaying incident of twenty fifteen and never happened again,

never happened again. All right, all right, So as you see, the number on the screen is eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. We've got five minutes left and I'm going to turn the show over to our executive producer, Kent Garrison. Kent, we are all doing well here today. I know you are. So if everybody could get to the questions, we will get through as many calls as we can. So who do you got? Yeah, we'll head out west to Midland, Texas and Earnest. Earnest,

you are on the Draft show, little guys. I just had a quick question on Nate such Felt, a quarterback out of Indiana, and at a comment also, I mean are kind of sleeping on more? I think he's he can win some some football games here. Uh yeah, Okay for him to have a full off season, okay, training camp and all, and I'm pretty sure you can kind of compete and win some football games. Okay, that's all I got. Thank you. Indiana quarterback. He's he's tall, he can rip it um. He needs a lot of work.

He's one of the true development quarterbacks in this group. Uh this year. Who he needs a lot of work. You know, you either pop the hood and kind of rewire some things. But he has the arm strength and size that you want. So six seventh round. He's a guy that a lot of these teams will take a chance on. This quarterback class is so deep. He's my

number thirteen quarterbacks. That's why I was kind of I was thinking, there's a list of guys, and you know, you know, you just depend on the We always talking about ice cream. What's your flavor? What do you like? Oh yeah, I agree with you about that because I've I've seen enough of like them Indiana playing other teams. And you're right, he does rip the football. Where would you say you project him? I gave him a seventh round grade. Is my number thirteen quarterback? Real? I know

we're running out of time. But I've been so hyper focused on the thought of the Cowboys signing or adding a quarterback in free agency. They're gonna draft one, like I feel very confident of that is it? Are we ruling out the possibility that they just roll with Kellen Moore and then draft the guy that's Deah? I think they could pick the guide for and roll with Kellen Moore. That would it would surprise me if they just don't address the position until the draft, and we get to that.

We'll get to that at the combine. That's good, all right? Ken wod he got Johnny in Salt Lake City. Johnny, go ahead, Hey, guys, how are you doing? So? I just wanted to ask if you guys knew about quarterback Sean Davis and Maryland seemed to be a pretty predictive player, and I just wanted to know if the Cowboys were

interested in him. And also, I don't know if you guys found out that the NFL made a rule apparently that if any player was convicted of what was the sexual assault right and some other one, that they want to be able to attend to the combine or the draft. I wanted to know if he doesn't know any players that follow that category that might have some playmaking ability to the Cowboys might be at after And I just

wanted to take thank you appreciate the call. Yea. And really that rule has been in effect the last few years, just hasn't been public. Last year, Tennessee at a linebacker A. J. Johnson who was unable to participate at the Combine after he was initially invited because of some things that came out. And it's it's it's a little tricky because there's guys like Roger Lewis Bowling greenwide receiver who got into a

lot of trouble as a senior in high school. Sure, but he was acquitted of one charge felony and then the other felony he pled down to a misdemeanor, So how do you weigh that? But he will be at the Combines, so you know, it's it's interesting and something that will have to look for moving forward. But Sean Davis, I think you liked Sean Davis a little more than I did. In the Maryland defensive back, I was okay,

corner safety. I'm thinking more of a safety, That's what I was thinking at But he's got a little Eric road to him the guy last year. The thing about is there's just these safeties are hard because it depending on what you do with Randy. You're gonna have to figure out. I mean, I wrote about von Bell today, you know at Ohio State, and I okay, I'm looking forward to seeing von Bell play. So yeah, yeah, you got to figure out there. I think there's a couple

of guys that could flip. We've talked about. Mills was a guy LSU quarter safety, you know, I mean, we know how the cowboys feel about that, Like that's not a bad thing. No, especially if no a guy that's a recover. If you can cover, get here and worry about it later, isn't mixed bag from Davis at the Senior Boy, I agree. I agree with that. All right, can't you got Oh no, he's cutting us off, he says, that's it. He's like, no, all right, somewhere to go.

He gave us fifteen minutes last week. I guess we got we got some key service stuff we gotta do today. So all right, for my scouting buddies, Dame Burglar, David Hellman and executive producer kenke Garris signed Brian brows. Thank you very much for joining us on the Draft Show. We're gonna come. Yeah, we'll see it Indie. We're gonna

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