Draft Show: Combine Invites & Social Media Insight

It's harder to believe. Senior Bowl and januaries in the in the rearview absolutely want to look forward to the Combine and the workouts and everything else. It's Dan Burglar right there, David Hellman on the other side, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. You brought up the Senior Bowl and we kind of put that in a little bit in the rearview mirror. Let's talk about the combine a little bit. Yeah, kind of on this you're on the you're on the combine train. I am. All those all those uh invites

went out. We kind of have an idea who's in, who's out right and the way they do it is they send a mountain waves. Usually in the past it was two waves, and there's three waves. They kind of do it systematically, where you know, the first wave goes out, um, you know, even before Christmas. Uh, and then when the underclassmen come out, you know, they reserve a certain amount,

and then the third wave just went out. The final wave at least I was told the final wave just went out this week and surprising some names, um, you know, following up some players that did not receive invites yet. Now I did talk to an underclassman who received one this morning. Okay, uh, not quite done yet. Yeah, right, but is it the enderclassman, you know, because there's so we had one hundred and thirty nderclassmen come out there.

It's a record, wasn't it. It is a record? Yeah? Uh. And the end, it's funny the NFL tries to hide it a little bit by saying, well, there's really only one hundred and six, but then there was also these ten who graduated but we're still juniors, and then there are these six who they try to like put the

number lower. It's really one hundred and thirty. Yeah, and so the we'll see who receives invites based on those underclassmen, but a few seniors Poona Ford being from Texas defensive tackle being the most notable to me, who has yet to receive his invitation and at this point doesn't look like it's coming. And if that's the case, I think he'd be the biggest snub this year. National scouting have something to do with that. The fact that he's five

eleven one. Oh, there's no Yeah, do you think they're grade coming in was so low? You just hit the nail on the head. They part of this. They're so committed to the grades that they have going in. Yeah, and they don't factor enough the changes throughout the year, guys that helped themselves. It's almost like they're stubborn with those grades going into the senior season that they just don't. They don't. It's it's hard to come off those initial

grades and it hurt. It's gonna hurt a player like Pounaford. Yeah, that's a shame. It's kind of like Pootaford a little bit. Yeah, I mean he is undersized but destructive and well the point I was gonna make it mean one hundred and thirty yeahs two hundred and fifty six draft slots. I believe right around there. Yeah, we went, you factor in the compensatories and stuff, and by that we'll know compense TWIST owners meeting March, there's there's Yeah, there's never a

set date for it. Yeah, but I think it's always kind of been around the meeting by mid last year. We got it a little bit early, so we'll see what this year has um. But yeah, I mean we're gonna have three hundred and thirty around there, combine invites. You're gonna tell me there's three hundred and thirty better players in this draft than Poonaford. I mean, I don't think Poonaford's a first round pick. I'm not sure he's a top one hundred type of guy, but they're not

three hundred and thirty better players. Another one that stood out to me was Doris Fountain, wide receiver from Northern I liked him a lot. I've talked about him throughout the season, and he made me look smart when he performed without the Shrine Shrine game. Those practices in the game really raw as a wide receiver, but good size, and he's gonna test really well. Now it won't be at the Combine. I'll have to be his pro day.

But he's the ideal candidate for a Day three receiver that you can stash either bottom of the roster or on the practice squad and develop. I think he might have something there. So surprising he's not going to be an Indie this year. And that I mean just basic math. So three hundred and thirty invites, I mean almost a hundred guys will be at the Combine that won't get drafted. Yeah that number. Oh yeah, you've always you've always keep his tab on that number, don't you? That number of

guys that aren't drafted that the Combine. Let me pull it up, all right, So last year, let's just take last year. There were three hundred and thirty players invited to the Combine two hundred and fifty three total draft picks. So that means that one hundred and five Combine invites undrafted. Wow. So yeah, even if you get a Combine invite as far from not a guarantee, there were twenty eight players that did not receive a Combine invite who were drafted.

There we go. So that's the number I want to know. If you don't receive an invite to the Combine. It's not the end of the road by any means. Don't find you. Last year is twenty eight, the year before it's thirty eight, year before its forty one, So play do better. Yeah, there's plenty of these names that don't receive Combine invites that still have a chance. Goodness, Gracio it is. And we'll be there by the way for the combine. Uh, you know, we'll be there the whole

week covering that action for you. We're gonna have shows from the from the Radio Row with the Combine where we have now in the Convention Center, which is kind of fun. So we'll be over at that. Part way of saying they moved us out of the stadium, Yeah, it's not very it's not very fun. You know. It's okay they bring those guys over there. I liked the old setup better. Yeah. Yeah, it's gotta do what you gotta do. Gotta do what you gotta do. You just like it so you can trash talk all the other

teams on Radio Row. I can I tend to do that. It's all right. When they borrowed Dane, yeah exactly, that's our analysts, that's all you're doing. Yeah, Hey, mister Jets, they'll be barring our analysts over there. Please thank you very much. All right, by the way, at eleven forty today, Taylor Stern is gonna join us and she's gonna have a segment we're gonna call a Stern look, so stay tuned for that. That that is Tay what we'll be here.

I want to ask you guys a little question here, and you know, and this is something more of a philosophy question, and I want to say, make it more of a true or false question, but she can answer however you want to answer it, true or false. A non pass rushing defensive lineman has no business being drafted in the first round. And this is why I'm talking about all the names that we're you know, we're looking at with the Cowboys at nineteen potential, with Vita Veaz,

guys like that, maybe even Payne. If you're talking about a non non pass rushing should a non pass rushing defensive lineman be drafted in the first round, which I mean, can I give you some names? Yeah, go for it. Last year we had Jonathan Allen. We all agreed probably a top five player that went to Washington at seventeen twenty sixteen, Sheldon Rankins went to the Saints at the twelfth spot. Kenny Clark UCLA went to the Packers at twenty seven, Robert Kind Old Miss went to Arizona at

twenty nine. Vernon Butler from Louisiana Tech went to Carolina at thirty. Okay, go back to twenty fifteen. Leonard Williams, who we all loved at usc went to the Jets sixth overall, Dandy Shelton to Cleveland at twelve, and Malcolm Buck Butler excuse me at University of Texas to Saint Assuming to New England at thirty two. Malcolm Brown, Malcolm Brown,

does Malcolm Butler? You did? I'm sorry about that, brother Patriot. Yeah, it's a really fair question, and it's something that fans ask us a lot about because there are several intriguing one technique prospects in this draft. And at this point I can give ourselves a little pad on the back here because we do a good enough job that people who pay attention know that that's probably not something the Cowboys typically consider. So you get a lot of questions

about whether they change that philosophy this year. Yeah. Me, personally, I'm of the opinion that if a guy is, you know, the best or close to the best at his position, and I mean, you know, if it makes sense for your team. Specialists are the only position in football that I wouldn't consider drafting in the first round, you know.

I mean, if he's the best one tech and he's gonna go Vince will fork on you and just eat up space and make your life easier on your linebackers and the rest of you guys on your defensive line, Hell yeah, that's worth a first round pick if it makes sense for your team, which in the Cowboys case, I think it does, so yeah, I would absolutely, I say false, I think if he's the best, non the best, if he's the best at his positions one technique, go ahead,

don't don't feel bad about making that pick at all. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean a great, great, he doesn't get stacked sacks. But if he makes life easier on your linebackers, which is a position we've been worried about since we started this. Absolutely, position value is going to be a popular subject in this draft. When you have a Quentin Nelson, a guard who, in my opinion, and I think an opinion you guys share best player in this draft, but he's a guard.

Sequon Barkley, top five player in this draft, but he's a running back. Position value matters in the draft. You know, that's part of the discussion. And I think one technique h knows tackles. It's that that's part of the discussion. Is it too early to draft one of those guys? And I think it just like guard, like running back, it depends on the impact it makes for your team, kind of like what Dave was saying about, you know

what fits best for your team. You know, a one technique or a nose tackle might not be It might be a need for another team, but it might not have a big impact. Now for the Cowboys, I think it could have a big impact potentially because of the way it frees up your linebackers, the way it helps your defensive ends, moving Leek Collins to three technique where

I think he's probably better suited. So I think that adding a one technique who not just to add one, but because he is arguably the best player on the board, he could have that type of impact for a team like the Cowboys. And this goes actually right back to what I got so mad about last year, which feel free to tweet me and remind me that Taco didn't set the world on fire in his rookie year. But I get I'm so frustrated by Well, we don't think he's a right end. We're not sure he has those Yeah,

I don't care. Give me the guy who's a good football player. If the best one technique is there, or the best project at right end, give give me the surefire every snap of the season one technique if that's if that's the situation we're in, Give me the better player, Give me the guy that's ready to go. If the one technique is just a two down player, well, now, I mean that gets into a conversation about whether that's

worth nineteenth overall pick. Say most most are. I mean, there's not many one technique or nose tackles that are every down players. There's we think the league Collins could play. Someone could be he's an every down player. All right, yeah, yeah, So I'm just you know again, that's will the philosophy change? Will the philosophy change? Will will the nineteenth pick be their last first round player? And will that player be

a I would argue defensive tack. I would argue this, if you're spending the nineteenth overall pick on a one technique, so that's another that's another premium prospect for your defensive line. So contrary to everything we've said about it in past years, all of a sudden, you're talking about a lot of talent. So even if you're taking your nineteenth overall pick off the field on third down, you're bringing another talented guy

onto the field in that situation. Whether it's Taco, whether it's Tyrone Crawford, whether it's I mean DeMarcus Lawrence, will be out there regardless. But you get my point. I mean, yeah, if you're adding another really talented defensive linemanto that mix, then you're just giving yourself more bodies to work with. So yeah, I mean that sounds bad when you put it that way, but I'd still probably do it, assuming

there's not a better option available. What your feelings brought us, I'm okay, yeah, I you know, after seeing those names, though, it kind of made me think a little bit. But you know, we're thinking about pass rush defensive tackles. Aaron Donald, right, you know, and I think Aaron Donald's though once in every fifteen year type player, I really do. Aaron looks that way. So to me, you know, if it's Aaron Donald, I get it because he run pass, he can play.

But I'm just trying to say, though, if looking at the names, if you look at these guys and you're kind of thinking, well, who's the best player out of that group we just went through? You know, Leonard Williams would would you would you take the career of Sheldon Rankins, Kenny Clark, Robert Candice? You know, I can't speak. Kenny Clark is developing into a pretty damn good player. For him, he is that that that yeah, that was one of the youngest players in that draft. So I think he's,

you know, growing into that role. Well, like a guy that I know has disappointed is Danny Shelton in Cleveland. Yeah, you know, they drafted him, I think overall, Yeah, twelfth overall and there's another University of Washington guy. But I think that I think that Vita Vea is a different player than Danny Shelton. I think vitave is a better athlete than Danny Shelter. Also drafting him into a different scheme.

He said, nos, yeah, three four nos. Yeah, So I mean that that to me, I I just wondered it, like you guys thought, I I have no problems with Vitava again, because I think that I think there's a shot that he there. Let's really I mean if you look at if you look at really you know, if you look at the landscape of you know, well, you know we we we rate him pretty high. But if you look at the landscape of the draft. I mean again, I never believed that Jonathan Allen was gonna and it

might be because of the shoulder. Am I right about that? Well, it has to be. Yeah. And also, well, you don't know what's going to come out about these guys once they go through all these physicals, So sure there's just as many things that could be coming out about. But I would have never believed that Jonathan Allen because it was a male bad question that we had today. Yeah, if there's somebody you would trade up for, I would have never believed in all my just last year's draft,

the safety from Ohio State would have been a potential guy. Yeah. And then Jonathan Allen, Yeah, would have never believed that. I think we had we generally agreed that Hooker and Lattimore were both top ten picks. I believe when eleven and Hooker went seven, no doubt. So I was looking back at my top ten the other day. Lattimore was six, Hooker was two, Allen was five, something like that. So that's what I'm saying. You don't know, But is it? You know? Is that one technique? Well, let's get down

to brass tacks. Not that I mean, you know, the main guys are all still here, but there's been some change on the on the coaching staff. Yeah, you think the philosophy is any different? Is there any reason to believe that they feel differently and that they would do something like I think that. I think, yes, you think so? I do? Okay, I think so. That's why I asked the question because I think it's going to become a point in time where you're sitting at nineteen and if

Vitavea is sitting there, you surely should consider him. But that's it's It's so hard though, because who else, okay, who else is there? That's what I'm saying, is Derwin James there? Because I'd rather have Derwin James. Okay, let me let me all right, say Vitavea is gone. Say it's between durn Payne and let's say I don't want Okay, well you ruined to the hypothetical already before he could even finish it. Whols you giving me. Let's say Derwin James,

Take Derwin James. Yeah, okay, I would take Derwin James over Vita Vea. That's what I'm saying. Okay, that's that's where that's where my you know, all right, I ask you this, If you take Vita Vea over mcclinchey, yes, yeah, I'm not taking an offensive lineman in the first round. I would, but about when I like him a lot, I'm not taking him in the first round though, he's your twenty first best player something like that. Yeah, we're talking. Uh,

McGlinchey is the tackle from Notre Dame. When is the offensive line guy from Georgia offensive line guy? Well, he could do both whatever, guard tackle. You know, that's interesting about this one technique thing. I think that will change, though I think I don't. I don't know if Marinelli's gonna have a choice change good. I mean no, I mean he's a fantastic coach, but well, these names scary you though, a little bit. For one techniques or guys

are the defensive tackles that don't rush? Which one? I mean, Veya doesn't He's no, No, I'm just talking about the guys I read off from ranks previous. Kenny clark Is is playing damn well for the Powers, and Rankins spent most of his rookie year on IR. But I don't have his numbers on hand for you, but I'm under the impression he played pretty well for New Orleans. Jonathan Allen didn't do anything for Washington because he didn't wind up on IR. Yeah, exactly, kim D didn't him DJ? Yeah,

he he was. He was a train wreck. Yeah, but Rankings, Rankins and clark are two names that jump out to me as as good picks to this point, at least, i'd agree. Yeah, yeah, so that doesn't bother me. Real quick, before we get out of here on the break, I have another question for you guys. Who has a better NFL career out of Barkley Geis and Ronald Jones? Come on, what, I'm curious, where where are they going? What do you

want me to say? Not just just crystal ball it, No, that's the variable that yeah, in situation'll be just crystal ball it. That's just in your in your thought, in your thought. Who I mean, it's all said because I want to see how much everybody likes Ronald Jones here. I'd love Ronald Jones. So that's this's my whole, this is my mission here. But I'm trying to figure out if you guys like and I threw in the LSU guy because you know the LSU guy, and a lot

of people like guys the LSU. What if sae Quon Barkley's just running into ten man fronts for the Browns for the next five years because they don't find a quarterback. And what if what if Darius What if Darius Geis falls to eighteen and all of a sudden he's playing in Seattle with an MVP caliber quarterback and a better O line. Like I mean, guys could have a way better career despite not being as talented as Barkley. Like what do you want me to say? I want you

to crystal ball this thing. I think, why you put yourself on the line a little bit here, because why would you put yourself on the line for a question and answer? Because it's stupid. It's not stupid. I think all three of them will be really good. I'd be better out of all three. How about that for a question? All right, if if you want me to pick one of okay, pick I'll I think I want to see how much you like Ronald Jones. I think it goes

in that order. I think it's Barkley, Guys, Jones, but I'll take Jones because of where I can get him. Like you gotta take Barkley in the top ten, you probably got to take Guys. I know you don't think he's a first round pick. I think you gotta take him in the top twenty twenty five. Yeah, I think you can get Ronald Jones in the top forty. Like I said, I was mapping up my top fifty, I had four running backs in the top twenty eight. I'm

about not to believe your top fifty. By the way, because I asked you about taking Win potentially at nineteen and you wanted nothing to do with him. I believe he's your twenty first best player. Well this is I'm not This board is not for the cowboy. I'm just saying if I'm looking at your board, well yeah, no, dress your board, Dane. Cowboys don't pick twenty one right pick nineteen, so I'm not I'm not taking the twenty. You guys used to have some guts in this room.

Hold back to what I was saying. Give me about Jones. Tell me about Jones, Guys and Barkley. I have Barkley in top five. Okay, I've got guys and Johnson back to back, twenty seven and twenty eight. Okay, I mean, or wait, which from I have Ronald Jones at eighteen, so I have him I'm way off. Well, no, I mean I hate that there's not guarantee he's gonna go. That's Nott the Cowboys board, Dave, don't, don't, don't pay

attention to that. No, well, it's I have Christian Kirk ahead of But you know, if the Cowboys maybe that's not a fit. You know, it's just this is just a general board. You know, I'm not doing it. It's a better player Ronald Jones or Christian Kirk. I have him like almost back to back, so I'm more confident about what Ronald Jones can do right away. I mean, you know we've talked about, you know, the questions around Kirk. Can he play outside? Yeah, we see, and that's I

have those questions too. But with Kirk, I feel great about his floor. It's high. Yeah, I think I know at the very least he's going to be an impact returnment and slot receiver. Yeah. So yeah, I also have the same questions is he going to be the same productive player on the outside. But at least I feel like I know have a great feeling at the very least what he can be. So that value because actually rallied their congratulations. I like Ronald Jones a lot, like

two I probably five favorite guys. I wonder if Ronald Jones is going to be the second best back on some people's sports, he might be the first. Is that a reach? Um? I think maybe complete back. I think I think, what, it's February first, and I think there's already some Barkley fatigue, like I think people are. I took some heat on Twitter for saying someone tweeted that he couldn't find anyone that was gonna take Barkley in

the top seven. Yeah, that guy who was the guy Albright? Yeah, And I commented on it and said, yeah, that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, And it's not necessarily it's not about Barkley. It's more about the value of this running back class. Yeah, you know, the drop off from Barkley to Jones and Johnson and Geiss and Chub and Michelle and the rest of these guys that you can get potentially in the second or third round. It's not a big as as

big of a gap. And so would you rather go with a different position in the top five and then get your running back later. So if you're the Browns at number four, get the top corner and make Fitzpatrick and then get the third best running back in guy you set thirty three. Yeah, you know, so value is going to dictate more than eighty. And that's totally fair. I just I think people are already trying to poke holes in Barkley because he's been so highly touted for

so long. Film's good. I think he's the best running back in the class, regardless of regardless of whether he goes for seven, ten or fifteen. Yeah, there's no question. I'd be surprised if he's not the first running back off the book. Two guys rallied a little bit. You just asked us a stupid question, and then you rallied by asking us smart. Oh no, yeah, so you rallied yeah, Dan, I'm gonna you guys. I want to know who's gonna have a better NFL because this isn't first take, you know.

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and warranty limitations apply, so you love for details. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot com draft youwoys back here in the SWBC Mortgage Studios for Ian broad As Stainbrew or David Helmet Garrison Executive producing Just a reminder. At eleven forty, Taylor Stern walks in with a stern look at some of the social side of the Cowboys, possible picks, some things that she's dug up that you might want to know about these, uh, the kids as we go forward.

Always love having her around. Somebody really loves college football. Let's taste Stern. She's all right, she does a good job with that. Okay, it's time for a little twitter on the Twitter League shouts out at k Hill. All right, we're gonna wrap up this d tackle discussion with a really a really good question from d Rob who asked, what would you think is a better combo for the Cowboys going forward? Maurice Hearst at the three technique with MALIEK.

Collins at the one technique or MALIEK. Collins at the three technique with Vita Vea at the one technique. So you got your choice between, you know, arguably the best defensive tackles in this class at their respective spots are arguably for me, that's hard to answer, because I to Willie Collins is a to me a three technique. That's but yeah, I agree. You have always Brian, you have always told me that his best tape with the Cowboys has been when he's at the one. It's when he's

spent playing the one. Is that because he needs a better three or just better help regardless of you don't mean that when he was really playing, We thought he was a Pro Bowl guy who was playing next to him. Daryl McClain, Yeah, three technique. Yeah, there you go. So that's what I'm saying. I'm going I think I think playing him, I would take Hurst at the three. I like Hurst, have a first round grade on Hurst, I have Hurt. I would like to see I'd like to see what he could do at the three with a

guy like Vya. I don't know. I mean, the Cowboys haven't had a one technique like that. In my memory, I think if you if you the combination with with Collins and Hurst, they don't come off the field. That's fair, that's a good point. You get more bang for the buck with Hurst and you'd do Vita Vea. In my opinion, you worry about your run defense though, I mean, that's the knock on Hearst, Is it not? From what I remember? Why White? Yeah, yeah, it's a three technique well light

in the ass. Yeah, you know, I know what that's but why but why you play it? Why you play in We're talking about making life easier on your linebackers. Yeah, but what about though? The what about who you got Crawford playing the right end? Yeah? That helps you in the run, it does. I like I hear you, and I respect y'all's opinions more than my own. But I'm i'd be intrigued to see him and if I find the general manager of this team, I'm going down. I'm

talking to my defensive line coach. I'm talking about defensive coordinator. I'm saying, Okay, Malie Collins, where is he best? You are as coaches, you see him every day in practice, you study the move with the one. They put David Irvin at the three. Right, But I'm gonna ask them, ideal situation, where would you rather play him? Do you think he'd have a better long term NFL career at the three or at the one? Where do you where

do you like him best? Not independent of everything else on this team, an ideal world, an ideal roster, where would you want to play him? And based on that answer, that would heavily influence where I go with that. With that answer to that question, see the problem I have with that defensive coaching staff told me to pay Crawford and that he was going to be the three. Yeah, it's a good point. They needn't even make a chance.

I mean you have to trust your coaches, which you have to to a point, to a point I will because it proved to me, proved to me that you can. Yeah, you know, I I paid nothing against Tyrn Crawford because he's he's They paid him as a three technique. He's making nine million dollars years a three technique. Yeah, he was. And now is your right end? Now I've got Now I'm trying to figure out, Okay, do I want to

draft a three technique? When I just gave a guy nine million dollars a year at right end, that was the three technique, and I let a guy walk. Because it's safe to say that door is closed on Crawford moving back to tackle. I think it is. Yeah, I kind of think they liked the fact that he could play the riot in and play the run. You know, he gives him a little something on the edge as a pass rusher. See the problem. I'm just trying to think, Okay, who am I who could be my most dynamic players?

You know, an inside hurst disruptive Yeah, heave he'd be disruptive, sure, but he is he an every down player? Yeah, that's my that's my argument. Oh, I hear you, I hear you. Just it's interesting. I don't know, watch the draft. The whole defensive tackle conversation with this team is just frustrating because it's have they got it right yet? It's an enigma? Yeah,

and enigma. So I'm saying we don't. You're you're you're talking about college who we think is last year coming out And I know we were coming out of Oxnard, we were thinking college could be a Pro Bowl player. I've got a foot injury. I thought he was gonna lead the team and it sacks. Yeah, exactly what happened there? Well, he got injured. Also DeMarcus Lawrence just yeah, lost his mind, exactly exactly. I thought we were going to have to

like drag fans along with this line of thinking. But I've been pleasantly surprised by the ground swell of interest and support for this question. With a friend of the show, Tom and then Eric a little bit of a dual question here guard in the first round put that line back together and really just put it ridiculously over the top. And then Eric, a little more detailed, says, is will Hernandez a real consideration there? The UTEP guard? We talked

about this a bunch, Yeah, we have. We've really talked about this a bunch. I am okay. If you tell me that the best player and this is this goes against something that you say, and I believe you on this best player within need right? Am I right about that? Yeah? Everybody says, oh, to take the best player on the board.

I grew up in that in Green Bay, right, I grew up in that, And I'm thinking, okay, nineteen is the best could the best player on the board be a guard and that would make me think about taking him. I mean if if, if, in fact it Dane has Win Georgia tackle converted guard as his twenty first best player, and I kind of see him the same way. Why would I not take him at nineteen because he's not in your top nineteen ranked players. Let's not. Let's not do this, gentleman. I'm not to me. I don't. I

don't have a single except for Quentin Nelson. Do you think that Travis Frederick was in their top nineteen. No, because they would have taken him there if it was. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not drafting an offensive lineman in the top twenty this year unless it's Quentin Nelson. That's just my opinion. Oh sure, So I understand the Travis Frederick that plan where you maybe you trade back a little bit. That's I'm open to that, But at nineteen, I am

not taking offensive lineman there. I would rather wait till the second round and I could probably get well Hernandez if I trade up into the early second round, I'd be okay with that, get myself a stud in the top twenty, and then maybe move around in the second round ward wherese Ward the corner from Ohio. Steak going to go, oh, answer that, and but that's a good segue for the next one. I think he's a top ten pick. Okay, but we've seen this before, have away teams.

Some teams have issue with height at the cornerback position. Man Hughes, so he's eager to see at the combine what he weighs in at. He's probably gonna be around five to ten. We'll see that could be an issue for some teams. I would be surprised if he's there at nineteen. I think he's a top ten player in this draft, speaking of need within reason. What if okay, excuse me just second, what if he was there at nineteen? Can you like? What if? The like? Can you let me? Oh?

I'm sorry, can you let me? Blake says, would you consider a cornerback at nineteen? Denzel Ward and Josh Jackson being Jackson, I wouldn't likely candidates there. I wouldn't Jackson. Oh you would Wan Jackson Jackson, Ward and Hugh and Hughes are Mike two guys, which one is Hughes. Well, I've learned this now, you see f that's what they like to say. It they don't like to say Central Florida. Say you see it's kind of like ULLL in Louisiana. Yeah. Uh,

Denzel Ward he's a top. I have him six on my board actually, so I'm a high and then I have use thirteen. So both those guys I have ranked pretty high. Now both are undersized corners. And could that cause them to slip a little bit? Sure, it's possible. Where do you have Vita vea seventeen? So he's got two corners higher than his tackle, and he's got he's got two corners and a tackle higher than his guard. But those corners, it's an interesting question because could they

fall a little bit because of the height. It's possible. And then well, and from a cowboys perspective, maybe people don't want to hear this, but I gain need within reason. I mean, look at the can you which you move a woozier to safety? I guess if you want to do that, Like I'm sitting here, like, how do you started him? How do you find room for another corner?

Right now? I mean, I guess if Scandrick's walking. If we don't know that right now, we think if he does, you still have three very capable corners and a fourth guy in Xavier Woods who can do the job. I mean, you're still and you know, if you're taking the guy at nineteen, the assumption would be that he's immediately better than at least two of those guys. I get that. But which is more of a reach, the corner or

the guard at nineteen? All the guard in terms of see this is interesting though, because I would say you clearly think the corners more talented, because but the guard has a better chance to be a Day one starter, does he not? Or it's a more efficient pick because you're just plugging him into left guard cornerback. He's either not starting or he's taking a highly drafted player off the field. That's I mean, that's what you're telling me. Who's a better safety, the Woozier or Byron Jones? It

I mean, I don't know how to answer that. We haven't seen Cheeto play, yea Cheeto started off and then what we saw Colorado? I mean they started him. He got hurt in the Green Bay game this year playing safety. This is this is that class away I see some about Byron Jones, sure, drafted in two thousand and fifteen. Yes, of the two thousand and fifteen draft, He and Leonard Williams are the only two guys to start forty eight

games for their teams. Everybody else has started less. Nice little stat there, Yeah, yeah, if you want it, if you want now, people out there, I'm sure Ah brought his forty eight games. He sucked every one of them. I'm just letting you know where he was picked him. Only he and Leonard Williams in that whole twenty fifteen draft class of the first round have started forty eight games. That's saying something Byron Byron Jones as the scapegoat for

this defensive troubles is beat up guy. But they beat him up. But it's it's not fair. But I still I still wouldn't pick up his option, would you? I don't think they will, would you? I don't think I would. Yeah, So I mean, I'm just telling you though, when you talk about you, when you talk about picks that don't play, Oh, that's a terrible pick. Mo Claiborne was a terrible pick. Yeah,

that was a terrible pick. All right. We considering when you look at and you watch Fletcher Cox destroy New England's blocking scheme this weekend, we did the we did the Byron Jones Defense Hour recently. We don't know. That's fine. Well, back to the original question though, just to me, cornerback is the third most important position on your roster. So you can never have enough of those guys. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa wait, quarterback, yeah, ass rusher, ass rusher, left tackle,

corner to me, in my opinion, you can work around it. Well, don't tell the Cowboys that they struggled. In my opinion, left tackle got you killed. They struggled with that. Yeah, well, that's lack of depth more than anything. But I left tackle still important. It probably you know, it's probably some more top five for me. Corners third, I mean, you have to have a guy that can at least, you know, keep receivers busy on the outside, and you can never

have enough of those guys. Now in the first round. That's an interesting debate for this team because with a Woozier Lewis that you know, you invested second round, second day picks and those guys last year. You still have hope for Anthony Brown, right, Yeah, you know you're not toss him aside. So there's there's an interesting debate there. If a Hughes now Josh Jackson, I'm not taking there, but if either if use were to be there, that'd

be interesting debate. See that's where that's where I'm now. Now you're starting to I don't know, man, that sounds crazy. I know how important hues. Those are players. They might be sure, but those guys are players. I know, I hear you, and and I would imagine they'd they'd probably be better than, like I said, at least one of your top three. But again, is it the most efficient pick possible? Is it? Is it more noticeably better than plugging a really quality guard into what's already a good

offensive line. I don't know. That's that's a debate. We can contend. Would you play Fitzpatrick Alabama at safety or corner? I like him best at corner, but he could play safety, no problem. It's like Jalen Ramsey, like he could he be a slider. I don't see how. I mean, he's one of the top five players in this draft. I mean, unless there's something comes up medical we don't know about, then I don't see how. But I mean he's like Jalen Ramsey where, yes, I know Jalen Ramsey's been out

standing at corner. He'd be just as good as a safety as a free safety in this league. So I make a Fitzpatrick. I'm not saying he's gonna make the same type of impact as Jalen Ramsey, but he for a lot of guys. If you don't have a true position, you know, you know, did Jalen Ramsey have a true position? It wasn't this team talking. It wasn't safety. It was not. It was not as obvious as it seems now right, it was not as defined because he was as safe

as Patrick say. And then he played corner, but he was up and down. He's played a lot better at corner now in the pros. Fitzpatrick he played minimal snaps as an outside corner, but he played a lot of slot corner, you know, as kind of their versatile nickel defender. I've seen him backpedal, I've seen his instincts. He can do it in the nickel, he can do it outside.

He's a big, long Yeah, I'm playing him outside as a perimeter corner, but uh, there's no worries with me with Fitzpatrick can play free safety, played nickel, he could do it all but he's not falling, He's not there. You go. I thought that about that safety from Ohio State. Here. You're yeah, you're I'm ready for somebody that we think if you just you take it, you take it so personally, I do take when like when life intervenes with your board, you know, like stuff happens, man, so it does. But

you know what, you gotta be ready. Do you gotta be ready? You gotta be ready for that one more. You gotta get tay in here real quick. All right? Um, just well, I'll tell you. Let's let's let's let's be sure you have a short one. You have a small one. I know. There and there we go on. We got we got some good question. No, I can get one more. There's gonna do it. I'm gonna put Dane on the spot.

All right. Question from Reuben. The Ravens, Chargers and Seahawks all picked before the Cowboys, right, what what do you think their needs are? And like I mean, you're looking at the players who might be falling off the board right before the Cowboys pick. And how does that affect that raven receiver I say, receivers from the quarterback Seahawk offensive line. Oh Brian just did it there for you. I mean that's yeah, those are the obvious ones. But

you look at some of the best players available. You know, if a Roquan Smith or Derwin James, you know, we could see a team like you know, you know, Aussie Ridley in Baltimore. Ridley, Yeah, it was. He was chumming it up with Nick Saban at the story. Worry about worry about the Ravens and Ridley. They need well. I tried to get Dez Bryant from you one time too. They need a skill player receiver for sure. Sure, I

mean sure they do. I could see, you know, if if a Darius Guys or somebody like that is there, they could use a bell Cow running back. Alex Collins played well down the stretch. But yeah, they don't have that, true, like you said, a bell Cow, So yeah, I don't think you can rule out running back there. Same with Seattle. I think that's a possibility for running back as well. But they need offensive line and Baltimore they need to

rebuild that front seven a lot, right. Trell Suggs is on the you know he's fifty Yeah, yeah, he's near in the eighteenth hole. Uh, it's time to kind of rebuild that that that front seven. They've you know, they took Marland Humphrey in the first round last year, so the secondary they've invested a lot in, especially in their free agency. So Baltimore, Yeah, you have to look at skill player, especially wide receiver. They only had two wide receivers more than twenty catches lift years. Got a lot

of money in that quarterback too. Oh my right, god, Yeah, I didn't know it was that bad. Perriman has not worked out for no and it's a lot of it's been injury. So I mean they might be skittish on another first round wide receiver because of him. Sure, But then you had the Chargers. It's kind of their moo to go in the trenches. The offensive line, defensive line help. They need a quarterback though, Chargers. Chargers, you think rivers talently or quarterback will be there for him, We'll see.

But take a take a quarterback and look toward the future or draft win and show her up. The rest of your offensive line could very well do that. That's good. Yeah, good questions. All right, thanks everybody for those. Sorry we didn't get to more. Yeah, sorry, we'll try and answer them on we'll go on Twitter and answer. Okay. Coming up next, our buddy Taylor Stern comes in with a stern luck. Stay tuned. Cowboys fans know that the second best of anything simply won't add it, and your skincare

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time I went, was it freezing again? It was? It was chilly, but not terrible fifties so cold two years ago, I don't know it was the Then I go down to the Pro Bowl last year and it's facing it was, well, it was a monsoon this year. Yeah, I'd be glad you didn't go this year. Yeah. And then if you guys haven't seen it's really cold in Minnesota, I guess. Yeah, it's your timeline saying that, mind saying that a lot too. And I've heard that everybody saying, oh three below. I'm like, okay,

I lived in it for five years. Yes, I'm sick of it. We're all doing great. We're all doing great. To your question, you know, Tay, you know your expertise of course of a lot of things, but really the social side of it though, I mean, you dig in on these players and stuff like that, and I know that you got some stuff for us today and in your in your segment, there the stern look of some

potential guys that the Cowboys can take. Yes, And I want to kind of turn it over to you and let you kind of talk about the various guys and what you're reading from, you know, as you're analyzing. We see the film stuff, but kind of the personal side of some of these kids. Yeah. Well, I really I talk a lot about this with Dave and you guys, and the certain thing of I think this is the first generation of draftabowl prospects where they have more communication

control than ever before. I mean, they're announcing their draft decklers. I'm going to the draft. They're announced saying, oh I got a letter to the Combine or the Senior Bowl. I mean, we know more about them from them than say their school or you know, because most of them don't have agents yet. You know, they're working on that still. And now I mean they're getting these contracts, these large endorsements,

even before they're on a team. Ye you know. I remember I think Zeke was the one who signed the huge Nike deal before he was even drafted. Like the you know, the first the elite prospects are already doing that. They're looking at the shoot trying to get that money in that pocket right now. I mean, I remember we're sitting on probably Cowboys Break with you, Brian, and we're sitting there watching Snapchat during the thirty day visits and we're like, Zeke's here today. Yeah, that was a great

way to kind of fall along what was going on. Yeah, you just know all of that stuff. So I really wanted to look at some of these guys, asked Dave some of his advice of some guys that are potential Cowboys targets in the first or second round. And I want to start with obviously Calvin Ridley. He has a Twitter and Instagram, pretty popular guy. Obviously, playing at Alabama you get more exposure than most. But of course he announced his decision to go to the NFL through Twitter.

I just don't know when that even started. And who helps them write these? Because some of these well crafted. Yeah, some of these are great. Like Vita his was very like you could tell it was like on his phone. It was like literally a screenshot of a note. But then like Calvin Ridley's is like a professional graphic. Oh I saw that one. Yeah, got like the drop caps, yeah, yeah, the shadowing, like his signature is put on, So I'm like,

who helps him do this? Like? Interesting the Alabama graphic design? Yeah, perhaps nice jot, wouldn't that be awesome? Thing? What about him the decision? Well? He very simple tweets, very simple tweets off a lot of motivational phrases, and he's promoting his snapchat a lot, which is interesting to me because I'm like, why do you you know, why do you want people to see your snapchat? Because usually snapchat has

more of a connotation of private. Sure, like this is my personal life, you know what I'm doing on Twitter and Instagram, But that's different. Now. The thing I thought was funny, what's his what's his snap handle? Ted? Do you have it? Pretty thirteen or something? I'll look it up later. That's a if you think I'm not going to be following along with that stuff when they're going on their visits and stuff, oh, no doubt, crazy, no doubt. Yeah, they want to show everyone like look who wants me

and all this stuff. Now I did notice this. I told you this earlier. Brand He only has thirty one posts on Instagram and I haven't followed him for long, but it looks like he went there and cleaned up some things. Have you seen that before, Dane. That's one of the first things they tell you is clear out your history. I mean, you don't know what pictures are out there, gas mask photos. Yeah, well, we remember when

Dak got tweeted art when he got drafted. Everyone looked back at his tweets, just hyping at Dak fifteen at the time, Dallas Cowboys and then the Tony Romo tweets came up right, good point, So it's go look through that. If you've ever said anything bad about an NFL team, deleted. But overall, what you're seeing with him pretty clean. Though as far as pretty clean, I mean pretty average, like as far as like just retweeting his own highlights and things like that. I do think that he has the

most exposure out of these five guys. I looked at and he has oh my gosh. Yeah, And I mean he's been playing for Alabama, so he understands that, which is a good thing. Next guy looked at was Will Hernandez. That's got to be the other end of the spectrum. Absolutely, he rarely tweets. I'm shocked. More active on Instagram, of course, But to be honest, he's kind of a boring Instagram

followed two because it's just game photos. I do like though, this was pretty funny because he did out of all these like different just game day photos, you'd appreciate this, Brian. He has a meme of like somebody carrying somebody out of a Chinese buffet. So he's playing on the fact, like, I get, I'm an offensive lineman. I get, I eat a lot of food, yeah, pounds, Yeah, I know the feeling getting carried out of a buffet. Yeah. And so it was like, okay, I like that. You mix that

up a little sense of humor. Then huh. I talked to him for about ten minutes at the Senior Bowl and it didn't granted I'm a reporter, but it did not shine through. He was he's he was a bit of a surly fellow, which how much would that mix with our guys? Oh yeah, hey, this is a business

minded old line. I really with the exception of Friendliest man on the planet Joe Looney, they're all kind of stoic, yeah, and so he doesn't have the typical offensive lineman attitude, Like if you look at other schools, they're the goofy ones the the funny ones outspoken sometimes and he's definitely not. But he does retweet a lot of highlights of like pancake Blox. He very proud of that. There you go, So we're proud of you too when you do those

three pounds Brot. Yeah, a lot of pancake. The next one, of course, Vita Vea. We talked about him a bunch of that game. He also announced his draft decision through social media. I thought was funny because that was the note one looked like he just was like, Okay, I guess I gotta tell someone. Oh private Instagram. Private Instagram now not a battling down like you never know, right, hiding and you're about to professional football play. Yeah no, I mean some if you can do that, some guys

want to keep some things private. Something's you know, like like me personally, I like Twitter is kind of my public thing, and Facebook I try to keep my private you know. I. Oh yeah, I don't just accept anybody on Facebook or anything like that. So I understand if players want to do the same thing, well I agree. And the only thing I noticed about him is that

he has a very serious girlfriend. I don't know how long they've been dating, but serious enough that her posts are flooded with him, so you kind of have you know, that's sometimes people forget that that they think, Okay, I'm I'm protecting myself. But if you're letting other people to be part of your life and expose you, you need to also have another conversation with them, like what is she? What has she posted about you? Before? We've all seen

what happened with Giselle and Tom Brady. Yeah, you know, sometimes you have to understand that, Hey, Annie Apple, don't tweet this all the time. Yeah, that's another spectrum of this now because people well, I mean, Dave, how many times have you seen like somebody like oh this is what Stacy Elliot had said? Oh yeah, we're looking at not only them on social media, but what are their family and friends saying? I'm embarrassed of how many cowboy

family members that I follow? Just like two what it was three years ago Orlando Scandrick's fiance tweeted out a picture of his MRI to retore all the ligaments in his legs, Like, yeah, just you never know, you ever never know what you're gonna see from from some of these channels. Seriously, like like stuff you're not supposed to see. She's just like, well, this is what happened to Orlando.

It's like a picture of his leg. A lot of family members don't fully grasp they're basically an extension of the player, you know, in terms of perspective, you're trying to figure these kids out. I mean, I know, I think he would be just so valuable to have somebody's expertise, like Tay come in and tell me about these kids. I guarante I bring her the combine, say Okay, you're gonna sit in and listen to me talk to these kids.

I guarantee you that there's there's at least a few people listening to this segment that are kind of rolling their eyes and wondering why this is important. Yeah, guarantee you they're doing this. Oh absolutely, Oh, I guarantee you. Agencies have multiple people just doing that. So they're making sure their clients there's nothing buried on their social media that teams or fans or anybody be able to you know, pull up. So everyone's yeah, teams agents two thirds of

our scouting department have Twitter handles. Yeah, and I get feedback on stuff. I tweet all the time. Yeah, and just like, oh, oh yeah, I forgot y'all are on here too, y'all are looking at stuff, y'all are paying attention. I agree. You know a lot of people are always like, oh, what does that matter? Just play the game, don't worry about that stuff. I'm sorry. But it's all about character though, too. It is. It's all about character and it's all about

marketability these days. I mean, Dak Prescott, only a second year guy, is the most endorsed player in the NFL. Guarantee you. If he didn't have the social presence he does, he would not be there. Yeah, I guarantee that because I mean, who was I talking to the or I was listening to a podcast of the under Armor founder and he was saying, yeah, we only signed guys after we look at their social media. Yeah. I mean, it's

just the way of the world these days. So if you're gonna go, what was our highest best tweet on draft night, taco emojia? It was a great tweet, because it's just all about that nowadays. I mean, they're finding the news out of who these guys, where they're going, or what they like or man, did you know this guy? You know feels this way about this. I mean, honestly, I guarantee you there's some guys that like need to

clean up more. Yea, they don't think anyone's looking. I want you to find me a draft prospect who's a nine to eleven. Okay, that's your goal next week, you guys, I won't be here next week, but it's true maybe I will. Well, we'll get you back for the combine. Yeah, for the combine. Me be a list, find me some real dirt. That way we can when we go to the combo, we gonna ask the player. So yeah, two years ago lat Earth theory A yeah, what's going on

with this? Hermine Edmunds tweets a lot. Yeah, talk about him. Okay, they's likeeen years old, so he's Yeah, he's a Twitter handle his main savage, which I really appreciate. Like he's the Virginia Tech linebacker that you know, possibility of the Cowboys. Look, I mean he's with the second best linebacker on your board, right or first for some people. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I depend on which way you want to go. Smith Edmunds, those are the two linebackers. But what'd you find out

about him. We love talking about family, and he loves talking about his brother, who was an undrafted rookie for the Saints. I mean he posts about him all the time like and which is awesome. But you know, like, okay, is he going to lean one way because these guys

are going on different visits? Right? You know that that impacts too, you know, is he going to give more to his Saints visit than say he would with the Cowboys because he's leaning there, right, you know, and a lot of them don't know, like, Okay, yeah, I could go to the Saints be with my brother for a second. There aren't many Rod Smith brother Jalen Smith situations. Yeah, that is pretty rare. Yeah, I mean I remember sitting with you brand We asked Rod, like, where's your brother

want to go? That was before his injury, right right, I forgot about that. Yeah, Rod was just a practice squad guy at the time, Sue. The last one I looked at was the wide receiver Oklahoma State James Washington. Of course, he was very talked about, or I guess you'd say, like popular at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, but week sure didn't. Yeah, and he noticed that as well. He's one of those that searches a name searcher. I

love the name sears. It's funny how many of my tweets get favorited by Oh, Josh Jackson favorited this tweet and maybe positive about him might be negative. So it's amazing. Those guys do live for the name searchers. They're my favorite. He retweeted our article we posted about him us. He posts about Dez all the time. Obviously the connection there, and it's just it's funny. But he is a true West Texan, y'all. He is at Sanford. Is that where

he's from. Well, he posts a lot about hunting, which I thought was kind of unique to his personality and very cool. Yeah, so that was funny, But yes, he's a name searcher. Now. The other thing about name searching, it goes back to their girlfriends are doing it too, their family friends. They're like, where's this guy gonna go? Do I need to be friends with him again? Just delete your social media until the drafts over or for good? Really, I don't, I don't know. Social media is the greatest

and worst thing everyone. I love social media as a member of the media, but if I was an athlete, I wouldn't. I would be the guy that doesn't happen, Like what's the point. But if you want to make some money, I'll, you know, I'll do five minute oil change here in Dallas. Like look at what Tom Brady did. He just has Tom versus time. That's well present Tom tom Brady is a phenomenon. I mean, like he's got his own team, Like he's probably got a bigger staff

putting his social together than we do. Probably that's so. I mean, yeah, if you're the greatest quarterback ever, you can control the message. Well that's what I found for you guys. Well thanks to appreciate that. That was very very good. You know what I mean. It is it's it's really important, you know, and it's something that I never got to experience. I mean, I was my last year in the scouting room was two thousand and five. So we really weren't you know, looking at one year

into Facebook and yeah we were Twitter. Yeah we really weren't. You know were I mean you were trying to you were trying to dig information. I always thought, because you know, you're going to give these kids, you know, one hundreds of millions of dollars, you know why not, why not try and figure out as much stuff about him? And I always felt like, you know, could you talk to the equipment man, can you talk to you know, your interview their third grand teachers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

You you go into great depths to try and figure these guys out. I'll give you an example. There was a player when I was running the draft in Philadelphia that I talked mister Lurry into spending an significant amount of money to have a private investigator follow Yeah, just because I wanted to know, Just because I wanted to know. And you'll do whatever you have to do. And the social part of it, there is somebody like Taylor who's

who's an expert at this. You know, if you could draw from that and say, okay, what tell me about this kid? What's his makeuperception is reality? Am I going to get an immature kid here? You know? Am I going to get a kid that's got his head on? Is he? Is he tweeting out Bible scriptures? Is he always party in? Is he what's he doing? Social media helps you figure that out. You can figure that out. I mean, if again you follow Ezekiel, you see a

fun guy you want to go out with Zeke. You know you want to go out with him because he's always doing something fun to their tagged photos too. Yeah you saw my ranking. Tis my database of players that you have. I've got you know, the height, weight, hometown, high school, everything. Also the column for Twitter, all the habitter accounts for all these players, because it's important. How many times have you heard people say if they had social media back in my day? Michael Irvin says it

all the time. Oh yeah, no doubt. Yeah, that's great. Helly, thank you so much for throwing up. We always appreciate taste takes and the stern look. I want to thank Dan Burglar, David Helman, Ki Garrison, and I want to thank everybody out there for watching us today and if you're catching us live or you're catching us later on, we do appreciate that. We'll be back next Monday for

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