Draft Show: College Season Wrap; Top WR Prospects

Kick Garrison executive producing this thing. We're gonna put a bow on this national championship thing tonight this afternoon, guys, I said, tonight. But what a game? Yeah, what a game? I want to put a bow on this. I want to ask you guys though about if these guys, if anybody elevated their game is did anybody change your mind when it comes to their draft stock? Do we have them too high? Too low? Do we need to consider

some other guys? Well? I think that brings up another point about how much do you value a performance on a stage like that? Because you don't want to overvalue one game. But I think there is something to maybe a little bit more of an emphasis towards the games where they mattered that much against top competition. And so durn Payne, for example, Yeah, played the best two games of his life the last two weeks in the playoffs

when it really mattered. On one hand, you're impressed. On the other hand, why didn't we see this more often? So it's it's something that interesting, you know, dynamic for each one of these players, and I Meank I fitz Patrick, we didn't hear a lot about in the title game. I think it's just because they didn't test him. He had a very good game. Calvin Ridley same thing. Yeah, I heard from a lot of fans saying, do we really want Calvin Ridley? I'm not seeing it. Maybe we

take his brother I'm under exactly. Yeah, maybe maybe which Ridley? Are we supposed to take the Georgia Ridley or the Alabama Ridley? But when you when you want? If? I was, I was watching the College Coaches version of the Yeah right, and that used the All twenty two and Calvin really is getting open at will. I saw your tweet and Dave, I'm gonna get to you about this too, But I saw your tweet about that really is open again? He's

open again, wide open. Yeah, you had no problem beating the cover, especially in the first half when Jalen Hurts is that quarterback he couldn't find him in time. And then it got a little better with Tua in the second half to a tum not even going to try and pronounce that last name. Now, I don't have too for two more exactly. That's that's the kind of mindset I have. And so yeah, I heard a lot of Calvin Ridley and I don't see a first round player and this and that he was getting open at will.

And again, that's why I love Calvin Riley as a player. That's why I'd love to see him as a Dallas cowboy because of his ability to get open and give his quarterback a clean target. Just because the Alabama quarterbacks couldn't get it to him doesn't mean that he underwhelmed on Monday Night. Yeah, I mean, I thought every guy that we talk about as the primary targets from that game pain pains a good one because he played so well.

But I mean that bother you, guys. I mean, I know you mentioned it, but does that bother you if you're thinking about a guy that on the national stage two times played great, was a dominant player in those two games, and then you watch him in Alabama during the season. I'm watching to play Florida State, Texas A and M, and I'm kind of thinking, Okay, get rid of this guy a little quicker, you know, Okay, You're better than this, you know. Is there something to be said?

I get what you're saying. Yeah, okay, I mean you want a guy that has the same intensity and the same effort and the same performance weekend and week out. But there's something to be said, like if he can tap into that talents too critical here, the NFL is a hell of a place to do it, you know. I mean, all right, great, he doesn't want to play great against Mercer, and that doesn't mean he's not worth taking. No, No, I'm talking about against Florida State, Texas A and M.

It's fair, I mean, because he did it. He did not play as well the whole season that we saw, and again, he knew his college crew is coming to an end. He was playing a little extra motivated. So it does worry you a little bit. But at the same time, I thought he was a first round player before the playoff, and then what he did the last two games only cements that for me. But it is

something that is in the back of your mind. First round player I thought he was because again the traits the guys that are six four, two hundred and thirty pounds aren't supposed to move like that. That gets that gets into like the right kind of guy debate, like like you would prefer the guy who plays, like I said, with the same motor all the time, snap in, snap out.

But if he's that talented, and assuming I don't know his whole story, like assuming there's no like legitimate off field baggage, Like if the only thing that worries me is his consistency, I'll take that talent every time. I'll worry about that once I get him in the locker room.

He doesn't have the same intensity is Don mckinsue, but there are a lot of similar traits there that might not be the worst thing in the world, though Don mckinsue could stand to take it down a notch or three probably, so, I mean, you know, Don mcnsue was one of the best college players I've ever seen one of that if you want to ask me, he's probably top five for me. Yeah, but he's not Sue, is what I'm saying. But there are a lot of there's

a lot of Sue in him. When you're that size, you have that type of hip action, the quickness, the power with your upper body, and we saw it the last two games. I didn't mean to take I didn't mean to take a deep dive on pain right there. But I was gonna say, is all those guys either played about where how I thought they would, or you know, or maybe even better. Yeah, they all looked like the

guys they're supposed to be. Ridley played a good game, which okay, maybe he didn't have like, he didn't take over the game. He had a touchdown, did he have two? Maybe he just had the one, just one one where he one where it? Yeah he basically yeah, an offensive interception. All those guys that were supposed to show up showed up. I mean I thought Smith was there, Ridley was there. And did Smith play himself out of any position for Dallas? I think he did that before he played that game.

I don't think were we hoping for hope. I don't think anything changed, should be honest with you, I think he the last four games of the season were outstanding. Georgia Tech, the SEC title game Oklahoma. He had some bumps in the road in the first half against Oklahoma, but it's still a great game. And then of course in the National title game. I still think it comes down to some teams will ding him because of the size. He won't be for everybody, So there, you know, there

might only be in the top eighteen picks. There might only be five teams that seriously consider him because of the size and so crazy. There is a chance I think he could get you know, followed in nineteen. Not a likely chance, but there's a chance. I don't think anything happened Monday night change that, because again he didn't grow two inches in that game. Will he be the It's just hard to say because you don't know the direction. But if he's there at nineteen, is that a no brainer?

As to if say Ridley was there as well, well, Ridley would make it a tough conversation if you're picking outside the top ten. I don't think there's such thing as no brainer, Like how often do you really wind up in a situation where there's just no doubt. I was surprised that Washington ended up with Jonathan Allen last year. Yeah, yeah, I was shocked. Okay, I'm not and I'm surprised if the Colts end up. Yeah, I mean, these are guys that we talked about, is top five players in this draft,

and all of a sudden it's seventeen. Not everybody who used these things the same way? Do they? No? They don't. Well, let me ask you who would have the bigger impact on this team. Roquan Smith or Calvin Ridley. Oh, I'm sure there's some folks right now that right now are just they're they're they're having the same issues we are right now. With that that I think, I think you're taking us. You're taking a current starter off the field to get them on the field. Either way, I would say, man,

that is tough. Probably probably Ridley, But I'm not. I don't feel good about it. I'm just like you could revisit that in a week you might have a different answer. Yeah, okay, who are you worried more about the defense of the offense for the Cowboys. I'm more worried you're worried about dak Us Scott in his development? Here's that is that now? Paramount is that like the one. Yeah, it should be priority number one. I'm more worried about the personnel on defense.

I think, to be totally honest with you, but you lost games without Sean Lee for the million But for the millionth time, I say this all the time. The offense is what's going to get you where you want to go. This isn't this isn't twenty thirteen Seattle, and you just strap whatever you can to that defense. I would would have the bigger impact because we have seen some receivers not have impact right first year. Yeah, it happens all the time. But would Smith have such an

impact with your defense? We've seen with some young kids when you draft young kids like they did in the secondary. And I think one what makes really different though, you look at some of the receivers that I've struggled, like Corey Coleman, Laquon Treadwell, guys that had questions by their route running uh and just a technical savvy of the position. That's not the case with Ridley and that's why I don't I expect him to have a instant success, immediate

impact in some way. And that's the thing we have to think about too, is the depth of the position. Now, I'm a big believer, and you take the best player if you believe that's Ridley or Smith. But if you have them similar rated and you just you're torn on them. Wide receiver is a much deeper position this year in the linebacker I went on, I went on, and artist, I heard you. That makes sense. It's well, it's you took the line right out of Stephen Jones's mouth, BPA

with oh last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do BP a w R best player available within reason. Yeah, it's it's a similar type of thing where you need to take the best player, but you know, not out of the realm of you know what helps your team. So you look at linebacker. To me, there are two first round linebackers. Now we didn't answer this question yet, did we. No, I mean we haven't really answered the question. I know, the further in this whole rabbit hole we go it

just it off shoots the other. But you'll try. I mean, it's a fair question that he asked. It's a fair question. And I wonder who on the stack will have a higher grade. I wonder on the stack, who will have a higher grade. Will the production of Smith trump the production of Ridley? They're both a little undersized. But again, now, okay, here's the Stephen Jones thought, and you were gonna circle back. I know what you're gonna do. You look at the approach of Okay, how many first rounds or how many

in the first two rounds of names? How many first or how many how many graded players you have in the first two rounds at wide receiver? I've got sevens quite a log gym and in the first how many rounds? Two rounds? Nine? There you go, I'm more. You're right. Actually give me your linebackers. Yeah, four? See, there you go. You just you, just you. You made it really easy because for the millionth year in a row, I feel

like we say this every year. I feel great about the wide receivers that you can probably find between thirty two and eighty. I don't, but I don't feel like it's that good for line. Did they give a set reason last year why they drafted Taco? That's one hundred percent why they did what they did. Hey, did you feel like that the defensive ends could stretch and they felt like the dbs could? Why did they draft Zeke two years ago to help the quarterback? Help Tony Romo. Okay, well,

it's time to help Dak Prescott. That's fair. But don't get what I'm saying though. I mean, do you think you can find a guy who can help Dak at fifty or eighty one? Possibly? Yeah, it's if you feel that great about Ridley, then obviously you want the best possible option. I have no problem with Ridley, I really don't. Then let's make it clear. If you're choosing between real Quan Smith and Kelvin Ridley, you've already done very well in the first round, and that's probably a pipe dream

that both of them. Yeah, somebody's at home right now, just like neither one of them is gonna be there. Shut out. No, but that's but. But Dane made a point. The physical makeup of both of these players is not prototypical. I'm not and scouts and they trust me. You're talking to a guy again who's taken the tall receipt. Ever, all those tall receivers for me are all in the same round. All those tall guys, sudden, I hate to hate to even men. All those guys are all in

the same round. To me. I don't even want to make this comparison because I don't think they're super similar players, but just in terms of the impact, don't you can't. Can't you just see Roquan doing what like Deon Jones is doing for Atlanta in terms of sure, you could like a linebacker that you're never worried about having on

the field whatever, down in distance. I like, if Deon Jones was taking nineteenth overall in that draft, no, I mean he'd be living up the potential based on and based on if you were if you redrafted, that's probably he would go up there. I mean what he was in the fifties, I think her forties, fifties and yeah, MITI he would be a first round pick if you redid it. I agree, probably top twenty. Yeah, so I like the sound of that a lot. That guy has

done wonders for that Atlanta defense. I mean they used to be and their corners people going back to what Dangers said, we're a quarterback out today, that's yeah, you're not the orderback? I know. Is that the most important position here for the Cowboys? Now, that's never changed part of me that every team. Okay, but now after what you've seen in year two, is it the most important? Is it the one position. Now oh wait, wait, hey,

we went into last year. I guarantee you thinking the only way that Dak Prescott regresses is the talent around him. If you happen this year, if you tell me that I'm getting sixteen games from Zeke and Tyrn Smith, I feel good enough that I'll wait and give me Dj Moore at fifty instead of Calvin Ridley at nineteen. And I think that's okay. Yeah, And that's the argument because that's if you draft Calvin Ridley, then the argument against it is, well, then why do we spend such a

high draft pick on Zeke? You know, if we're going to feature the run game, why do we need to take a wide receiver in the first round. But at the same time, you still you need d have to develop because there's going to be a time, whether it's in the playoffs, whether it's a game that you need to win to into the playoffs, where Dak's gonna have to make a big time throw and you just it's not going to beat to Zeke. It's gonna have to be down the field third and twelve, and it's gonna

be on the arm of the quarterback. So you still need to develop him. Even if you rely on the run game to get you, you know, for most of the game, for sixty percent of the game, you're still gonna have to use that armor the quarterback. Please call

me a disgusting homer if you think it's warranted. But part of me wonders if all the hand ringing about the offense is a little knee jerky, because wasn't it They got to replace every court, every coach on staff on the offense this year another interesting wrinkle to the whole damn near all of them. Think about that. I just think about how good the offense looked right before

Zeke got suspended. Sure, so, like we've seen him do it. Yeah, And I'm not just talking about Dax's rookie year, like he'd played pretty damn well for the entire first half of the season, with a few exceptions Denver. The Denver game really sticks out to mittin that was baffling on across all fronts. I'm not trying to say he was great. I'm not trying to say there's nothing they need to work on. But I think the pieces are in place for this offense to function. Like I don't. I'm not great.

I don't. I don't. I'm this is something we will debate, probably up until the draft days though. And let's go on. I go back to the National title game. Would you think of the Georgia running backs? See, that's what I Yeah, I'm gonna get into that too. Yeah, I have a different thought. And here I am with my bold prediction about carry on Johnson. You know. And then after watching Jones from USC play last night, Jamal Charles, what the

heck was I thinking? And then and then I look at Yeah, Ron Jones USC running back And then I look at and then I look at what you say? What were what were you thinking? Oh? I wasn't thinking to him. He needs to be he needs to be up the board where you have him I had in the second round. Oh that's not terrible. But I got I will, I will, I'll tell you what. And I know Taylor Stern is gonna join us at the at the at the end of show with the Taste takes.

She's got some really interesting questions and and I think what him has to do with the running backs? But I the thing with Michelle, I was very impressed with him, very impressed every time they handed him the ball, and yet he did. It was attack, and yet he didn't get a carry in the fourth quarter. You know, coaches take two stupid pills and a cup of gay orade and here we go. It seems like it happens way too oft. It happens way too often. All that, I get it. Why they gave it to Nick Chubb as

much as they did. Chubb is building swift, yeah, yeah, the freshman. Yeah, Chubb is. He's two hundred and thirty pounds that lower body to balance the power. I mean, he's more built for a fourth quarterback, you know, to wear down the defense. But yeah, where if you're not getting first downs, it's not gonna matter. So I get it. I wish we would have seen more Sonny Michelle in

the fourth quarter. Uh you know, it's it's funny. I've loved Michelle all year, been propping him up, and now it's almost I got so many message is always a first rump. Now he's getting overrated, yeah, because of how what he's done the last two weeks and people are actually starting to watch him. But he's a very good player. He's in that second round mix along with some other guys. So which Georgia running back. Do you like better, Michelle, Michell,

that's a prospect. Yeah, clearly, clearly. Not a debate, No, not a debate. I think I actually have Stanford's love in between the two. Okay, I'm still waiting on him to declare, but yeah, well yeah, the way I looked at him, I was got until next week one day. Yeah. Yeah, he's the Clemson defensive line lineman. Farrell bryant Um, Christian wilkins Um, Bryce Love waiting on him step Yeah, and all the other guys were Clemson defensive lineman. Like you said,

all right, but satisfied with how that game was well played. Yeah, I liked that. All the guys that we're talking about played pretty damn well. I mean, I don't think anybody that is really in the mix at the top of the draft really laid an egg in that game. But again, the riser, the riser? Could it be Michelle? Could the riser be Michelle? Or could it or about your boy? Pain? Pain in my mock draft. My first mock draft that I've done was before Thanksgiving, and I had Pain going

twenty overall, So I'm probably gonna go sixteen seventeen. Yeah, I mean, I think he's yeah, somewhere in that mid first round range. You know, Vida Veya is right there too. I think Vita Vea earlier. Just again the traits I mean, but if you who you could take between Pain defensive

tackle Alabama Vita Vea defensive tackle Washington. Sure is fun just watching Veya just throw guards around and Stamford tackle running backs using the center to do so, and say, I think you probably go via Veya Pain if we're talking about just the nose tackles, the one technique. Yeah, I think it's Veya than Pain. Yeah, okay, all right, when we come back, we're gonna get into some Twitter

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the left hand side. So if you want to get into the show, Kick Garrison will handle that for us. But right now we'll get into a little twitter on the Twitter, it's all yours. Thanks, ed Ka Hill. Since we're talking about the National Title game, El Guapo wants to know Ronnie Harrison. Yeah, guy, we've all looked at he is he a strong safety as a free safety? How do you feel about him? Where do you got him?

He's definitely a strong I think that because I would all agree on that, and he actually declared this morning. I guess, um, so he's officially in this draft. When he was left alone in coverage, yeah, thoughts, I wasn't too excited about that. I think that I don't think he has any catchup speed myself. Yeah, I worry a little bit about that. I think he has to play down I think I saw a good blitzer, but I didn't see a guy with range. When you start talking

about coverage bothered me a little bit about him. He will knock you out as a downhill player, he will knock you out. He's a linebacker, yeah, I mean he's a he's a physical player and box yeah, I just

don't see. Like I said, Ian, if you're in a obviously with the Cowboys though, if you're looking at it there, the way they do things, you know, the safeties, you know, you have to be able to have some coverage with with Byron Jones has been able to doing Xavier Woods, So you know that's I think that's what the I don't need another box safety. I'm the Cowboys. He needs somebody has a little bit more free to them, which well and that's a good segue for Wes, who he

says are safeties you would take at nineteen. And I'm early on. I haven't watched eighty guys or four hundred guys like you two, but I have my doubts that there's a safety I feel good about in the first round, which I which bombs me out because I consider that a huge need. I know, y'all are gonna tell me Minca Fitzpatrick, maybe you could play safety. I think he's off the board way before the Cowboys pick. Yeah, So am I wrong? Is there a safety you feel good

about drafting at nineteen? James? Yeah, there you go, that's the name. Yeah, and Derwin James. Here we go. Here's a guy that does cover, he does play in the slot, he does blitz, he does cause turnovers. He's a pretty physical tackler. Yeah. He's the one guy that I kind of thought would maybe be a little bit overrated. But he's not. I thought, I heard you say you didn't know what to make of him. I didn't know what

to make and go back. I went back and just hammered games and hammered games and hammered games on him, and the results. He's a better player than I thought he was initially. He really really is. Did you watch old taper just this year? Nope, just this year. I went back. I mean we had some early games in the in the box that you know I was able to do and I didn't feel I felt like a player that guy that floated too much, kind of like okay,

go get in there. And then you watch him play, especially like late in the year they played Florida, and it's like he took it personally that closing. Yeah, and he's got a burst and maybe he's a guy at nineteen if you're looking at a safety. I don't now is he Is he a free You see him Moore as a free he has let us is them to be a free But I don't think. I don't think that's just he's a better athlete than football player right now, no doubt about that. And that he's a red shirt sophomore.

He was outstanding as a freshman, missed almost all of last year with an injury, and in this past season as a red shirt sophomore, you saw Russ after missing all of us Yeah, and that's probably why the early tape on him is not good. NC State. Yeah, didn't look good. Now, if you want to study this guy, you gotta go late. And they had a bad season by their standards. Yeah, yeah, terrible season by their standards. Absolutely.

So yeah, he's a guy though that I think that if you if you want to look at if if there's a guy there at nineteen and he could be you know, am I speaking out of turns saying he could be there at nineteen? No, I think it's possible. I think he's gonna put up some impressive numbers at the combine and you know, we'll see how that fluctuates the stock. But this is a guy who I remember he received a scholarship offer at Florida State when he was a freshman in high school. Yeah. Like he's just

always been a freak. That's just kind of who he is, and so I think that'll continue at the next level. Is just the technical skill I feel like I talked about it every week. Is that going to catch up? That development? It's something that if he was a cowboy, fans should not expect him to be an All pros first year. But he's gonna make some splash plays and then you just hope that it all. You know, the light bulb comes on and it all comes to well,

he creates some turnovers. Now, great segue for a question from Miguel I like this. He wants to know of the top you know, of the top fifteen twenty guys, like the elite prospects, which one would you have the hardest time pulling the trigger on, like the guy that you're just like, I don't know. Um, Well, let's take quarterback out of the conversation. Yeah, that's okay that it's kind of cheating. You can say all the quarterback fair. Do you have a problem with Connor Williams. Well, yeah,

and that's that's a good conversation because Texas offensive. Sorry about that, folks. Yeah, you watch the what I'm here for twenty six sixteen tape. As a sophomore, he's a first round pick. Uh, then you watch and seven team. He played awful in the opener against Maryland, and then he got hurt and he missed most of the year, came back, played well for two games that he was back, And so if you're drafting him in the first round,

it's based on a two hus and sixteen stuff. I still want to know what happened in that Maryland game. It was just it was awful. It was bad. And so do you give day two? Yeah? Yeah, it was season opener. Do you give him a pass for that and focus just on his sophomore tape because if you do, then you're gonna take him in the first round, and I think a team will do that. But I do think that is a worthy name for this question, because in the back of your mind, you're always going to

think about that two or ten and seventeen season. You know, what the heck happened about arden Key? Oh yeah? And that's the reason I didn't immediately say him is because does he even count as a top twenty player in this class? Because of you think somebody will? Do you think somebody will turn a blind eye to all the off field stuff? David? I mean, you know those LSU players just as good as me. You know, I would.

I'm tempted. How are they gonna sell arden Key when they go in and talk to coach oh and everybody there at LSU. How they're gonna sell arden Key to these scouts? That's I think that's the million dollar question, And it's it's a loaded bag saying this, so I don't say it lightly. But he's gonna get compared to Randy Gregory. Yes, just is because he's the same type of player. He's a he's a freakish athlete, looks like a three four rangey guy. I mean, he jumps off

any tape that you watch. Even this year when he was hurt, I thought he wasn't as good as last year when he had like sixteen sacks or whatever it was. But he still jumps off the tape. But injuries, off field stuff, I just based on what I've seen of him, I would imagine it's still enough to draft him in the top twenty. But Randy Gregory fell all the way to sixty. Yeah, And like I mean, you know, Randy Gregory failed a drug test at the combine. Like there's

a lot of digging to still be done on arden Key. So, like I said, it's it's probably premature and not fair to drop that label on him, but I think his off field and everything that comes with him is going to be highly scrutinized. I think people are fearful of the LSU defensive end in these drafts just overall. I mean the last the one that went high was what mingo. I was gonna say, I mean, it hasn't happened that often. It's not like LSU doesn't stay out these monstrous the

ends they put, they put guys, these defensive linemen. I mean, Brockers has been pretty good. Rockers has had a really nice career, Benny Logan has had a really nice career. Um, but Mingo Mingo is one of the worst busts of the last decade or so. So I mean that's fair, but I don't know that it's enough. I think, I think, yeah, I think like David says, I think that you look

at talk about top twenty. He's got top twenty talent, but is he really a top twenty player when you when you put in all the things, the same thing was said, you said it Randy Gregory. Everybody talked about Randy Gregory as a top ten player, top five Nebraska, Oh Gregory, Gregory, greg That's all I ever heard. And Jason Garrett got talked into drafting him. Here. I don't see that happened in this year. No. I would imagine the Cowboys will steer way clear of him, but that

doesn't mean somebody else won't. And like I said, months to go, I mean, right, there's a lot of a lot of homework we have to do. And I'm gonna give you three more names about players that give me a little bit of pause in the top potential Top twenty picks. Christian Wilkins, the three technical Clemson. Yeah, terrific athlete and the highlights look great. Just consistent season issue. Um. Josh Jackson, Iowa. Yeah, there you go. I need my corners to tackle. See. This is where I got in

some Twitter discussions and they were like, no, no, he tackles. Well, I'm like what game. I was like, what are you talking about here? Don't do this tours the corners. They don't need to be great tackles. Oh they had a kid that tackled last year. Yeah, they did, Desmond King. But just look like he's just get him on the grounds. Look like you want to at least like get in his way and wait for the slow him down so somebody else can make it. Yeah, exactly, so Jewel can

run over and tackle the guy. I need you. I need you do it. Look at least look like you want to do it, even if you're not that great at it. What that guy left a bad taste in Josh Jackson Christian Wilkinson. The third one I was gonna mention was Harold Landry, the past rusher from Boston College who came into the senior year with high expectations and he didn't live up to him and battled ankle injury. Uh and you know that kind of that played a

part in the whole conversation. But still there there's worry a little bit about Harold Landry, a potential top twenty pick, but there are some questions, a lot of questions about him. What happened to that player from last year? And that's what I'm saying that the guy, I mean, he had what sixteen sacks? Right right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, where's the player this year? I was surprised he came back to school. Uh you know, and maybe he should have came out early.

But I mean he's he wanted a shot out the playoff Dane, Boston College, the Eagles, Yeah, cross hockey, Yeah exactly, He's gonna get a chieved to go to the Senior Bowl. And I'll tell you what he could himself. Okay, while people there maybe yeah, good week at the Senior Bowl. The senior season will be forgotten, yeah, or close to it. Yeah, Jorge wants to know other than Calvin Ridley, big impact wide receivers. Whatever. Take that to me, whatever you want,

whether that's first round whatever, but receivers. I view that as a receiver that's gonna help from day one. I think we agree on the number two wide receiver in this class, right, Christian Kirk Right, And I think we expect him to. He made an instant impact at A and M as a true freshman, actually has sued best season as a freshman. Um. I think he can make an instant impact. Who's your third receiver? More from Washed from Maryland's Jay, more of him? See now again, this

is Brian brought us stirring away from the sequoias. You're gonna poison everybody again. No, I'm not trying to poison anybody. But if anybody watches his football team, what was the problem. I know, I know, I'll use my line I used in Philadelphia and when I was thirty five years old that press conference team needs players. Team needs players, need some guys who can run. You guys, watch this game.

Do you know who we need? I say that I encourage anyone who doesn't know what Brian's talking about to go find the video. I'll post it later. Yeah, me with hair talking about hey and like wait, wait two and five pounds and two Dave. This team needs receivers that can run routes and not goes. There we go, yeah, there we go. That's not so hard. It's not so hard. So Kirk can run routes, Kirk yea. DJ Moore can run DJ Moore And you know what, DJ Moore could

probably catch the ball better than Kirk. I don't I don't say this often, and I think the Steve Smith comparisons get overused for those two are just more. DJ Moore gives off a Steve Smith vibe. Yeah, give me a guy with a chip on his shoulder. That's mean that we'll go get the ball anywhere and we'll get and cand separate. Give me that guy got so many quarterbacks he went through at Maryland last three years, not one, not two different quarterbacks. Like, so it's not like there

wasn't there's not a built in excuse there. Uh, you know he with some the other receivers. You point to the quarterback play up and down. Saint Brown from Notre Dame. His stats fell off without Kaiser Audum take the last two years with two freshman quarterbacks. His stats not what you want from a top player. Then you have Dj Moore, who became the third ever player at Maryland to go over a thousand yards receiving in a year, set the Maryland record for catches this past season. I think I

can get him at fifty. I don't think so, but I don't. I don't know. Kind of short, maybe that drops him down a little bit. As you say, if he if he measures five ten, then he's gonna walk out of that room feeling good because he's probably like five nine and a half. I'll tell you what, he's a football player. He's fantastic. Like I said Steve Smith

vibe on that tape. Yeah, so yeah, I think if we don't, if you don't look at Calvin Riley in the first you're you have to figure out, Okay, where's the value for Christian Kirk, DJ Moore, Anthony Miller is in that conversation for me, Memphis right wide receiver from Memphis. And then so I think those are the top four. And then that's maybe when you start talking about the bigger guys Courtland Sutton. Yeah, guys like that there was coming to play and James Washington is the one where

boys Scott from Jalil Scott from Mexico State. I watched him. If you haven't had a chance to watch Jalil Scott play from New Mexico State, can go get it. If you can get the Arizona State game. Have fun nine catches from one seventies. He is like his best games were gets big time competition Arizona State, Arkansas. What's his backstory, Dane, Because he's a he's a junior co IOWA, junior college guy from South Carolina, South Carolina. There's a little bit

of baggage there. Um, I don't want to go into it, like me the full story, but there there's some background stuff that teams are gonna have to work through and that could hurt him a little bit. But it's something all over the place. Yeah. On the field, that routes are all over the place. You know, he's not a very refined player, but in you can throw it, you know, three feet over his head and he'll go get it. He will get it along the sidelines. He'll do it

body control balanced. I mean, you see Jeff Kavanaugh from one oh five three was watching tape. He said he was Randy Moss without the speed. I hate comparing people to Randy Moss. It's just a lot. I'm a going to getting the football saying getting the football. Yeah, you know, a tall, lean guy. He's like the Kevin Durant in terms of body types for prospects. You know, he's just he's tall, just very lean, skinny. Uh. You see that over the middle. He's not the toughest guy over the

middle of the field. It's funny his routes. When he runs across the middle, he goes back instead of going down the line, he goes back towards the quarterbacks. He's a lot of fun I think he can make you put him in red zone situations. He can stretch the field too. He's got a little bit of speed he does. He's not a slow gan. Where does where does um James Washington for two rank on all this Oklahoma's and that's we get a lot of questions about James Washington. Um.

I like James Washington. I think he's a solid like a second rounder. But the routes worry me. Uh. But down the field vertically is great, strong hands, strong fingers, strong wrists. The ball sticks to his hands, so very reliable. But he's not a guy that's gonna just get open at will yea routes. And he's not the biggest guy's about six foot. I mean he's got a little It's okay, Golden Tate in terms of size, he's not the biggest guy at six foot, but where we're all in love

with a guy who's five nine and a half. So it's true different. Yeah, it's fair. I'm I'm gonna get it with Washington, though, I got I got a question one more, Dave, who can you get your tailor in here? I really want you to answer this our tribe, Brian. It's good. It's a good question from Joe, and it's not about players. But what do you think the Cowboys would do if Will McClay ever did leave? Like is

there an understudy here? You know what? That's that's a very good question, because to be honest with you, I don't think they have a guy that like Will McClay like in the building. No, I don't think. I don't think they have a guy that knows how we talked about the triangle the other day. The Jones is, the scouts, the coaches. I think Will McClay is outstanding at bringing all those together and making sure that they're all on the same page. I don't know if they nestionarily have

a guy like that. The problem is, and this is where I was having this conversation about general managers that you would hire and this is no shot at college scouts. Okay, but I would hire a general manager that has a background in pro personnel. I've got to know who's playing in the league. I've got to know who's playing in my division. Brian Guducus is a good scout for the Green Bay Packers who was just named general manager. Brian Kutigas can't tell you who the backup tight end is

with Chicago Bears. He can't tell you who their nickel rushiers in Minnesota, and he can't tell you who the left tackle is for the Detroit Lions. You have got to know your teams in your division in order to build your team to defeat teams in your division, to win the division, to get in the playoffs. So in a world I'm not saying excuse, I'm not saying every scout that's a college scout can't be a great general manager.

I'm just saying, though, give me a guy that understands the league, and give me some scouts underneath them that could help me with the college side, and I will and I would imagine, I mean, and they're heavy the other way here. Not to trivialize it, I mean, it's it's hard work and it's important work. But I mean, you know the league. I mean, you can watch tape and identify college players, especially if you have people helping you do it. College guys tend to work on a

draft and then forget the draft. Yeah, they go year to year. Yeah, that's a problem. You got to know who's playing in this league in order to have some success. So in a world where Will does one day leave the Cowboys, I would have to imagine they would have to go out, go outside the building. They would Yeah, and again the guys overascinating guys over there's some good scouts, but I don't think they have another Will McClay in this building. I really really don't. Okay, we're gonna take

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lot about pro football. I appreciate some of the conversations that I have with her about all this and the draft stuff. So she's come up with some questions. Yeah, I feel like that that that's going to challenge us to do that. So I just want to bring her in and see make this a weekly thing with you. Take hot take Tay. Yes, what do you got for us today? On it? It is? It is serious business

here and Dane, you know, I questioned Dane. Everyone knows that Dane is grinding away three sixty five fifty two weeks of the year. What do you get bummdy didn't bring donuts today, but but I'll ask questions nonetheless. All right, guys, running backs, You guys know that I was a big proponent for a zy Gullets were going up there high at four over all, four of the Cowboys. Now in two thousand and two thousand and eight, there were four running backs drafted in the first round. Does that happen

again this year? Could both of them be coming from Georgia? Could it be the Penn State? Great? Yeah, so over under four running backs in the first round. I've taken the under. I know you are, you're a hater. Yes, I'm gonna take the under two. But I think it's gonna it's gonna be close though, because I see close, I see three. Okay, I think the first round thirty two picks. I think, I mean Barkley is a lock. He's a lock. It's gonna be the fourth one. If

it is, it's Barkley, Johnson, probably Jones. Okay, you guys love carry On Johnson. Yeah, you like him more than Ronald Jones. I have Barkley, guys, Jones, Johnson, Jones, those are the yeah, your adults son, my large adult son, Darius guys. I think he's a first round lock. Like if all four of those players went the round, I wouldn't I'd have no problem with it. I think Ronald

Ronald Jones is seriously impressive. Man, He's very impressive. Hes Jamal Charles, he never loses his balance in the Bond Guy in the Gift, Oh he's not And like Linky Night. Think he's not powerful, but like he just shakes off everything. He runs so hard that his momentum creates power. But you're right, he's like a two hundred, two hundred and three pound back. I absolutely love him, and I think so.

I think Kenny Native shout out North Texas true. I think Barkley guys and Jones all go in the first. I don't know about care. I think this is a shot. I think I'm gonna say yes because I'm gonna think somebody's gonna fall in love with with love late in the draft. Sony Michelle did nothing for you, Dave. I like Sony Michelle. I think Dane's probably right though, like it's it's recency bias, like you've seen him play in these big games, like he's probably a second or third

round pick. I don't think I draft him in the first. I gave over the summer a game of second round grade. I don't think that should change. I think he's a solid second round player, and that's that's not a bad. Thick Chubb who's been in college football for about twenty years now, he's done nothing for you. Yeah, I want Sony Michelle hanging around because I'd love to add him

to this team if he's still there. You get a lot of these teams are gonna look at it and say, well, we could take a carry on Johnson, here are Darius guys here in late first round, or we just wait to the second round and get a Chubb, get a you know, one of these second round backs. So I think that's that type of mindset. With the running backs and receivers. We could only see maybe one or two receivers in the first only two or three running backs

in the first. So I would go the under. All right, Well, you guys are talking about surplus, and I have another question. If my team needs a blank, my team is in luck the obvious ones. I say, running back and receiver who we just talked about. Yeah, based two receiver for sure, Yeah, two positions where you feel good about feel good about these any corners? I think corners A great corner is a great position this year. Uh. We know teams every

team needs more corner hill. Uh. And I think in the first round, secon round, a third round, there's plenty of depth in each round. How many first round corners do you have on your board right now? I haven't done them all, but uh, I've done them before. I've got I've got two Warden Fitzpatrick. Okay, I didn't put Jackson in there. Say even Jackson, Alexander and Davis from Auburn.

Jackson's a first round pick even if he think, even if he doesn't like to tackle, Yeah, I still like he's an accept I just got him in a spot that I know he's there, but I'm a little nervous about that. I like my guys to tackle a little bit on the edge. Yeah, yeah, you see what these two corners did here. Don't you like? Don't you like cornerbacks who can cover receivers and get interception. I do like Marcus Peters doesn't like to tackle. No, I don't care.

He's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, Corners Alexander, And that's what I'm saying, Alexander. Yeah, I mean even a guy like Tarvarus McFadden from Florida State and get him in the second or third round. It's it's a position that has a lot of depth with these underclassmen. I'm looking at my ranking right now. I have one four twelve underclassmen in my top fifteen corners. So this underclassmen group has helped the corners a lot. How many players have you watched so far? I couldn't

give you a number. God, I'm sorry, give him a break. You're gonna watch some more after we get done with this. Media scouts are too high on this guy. Usually it is receivers. Look at the Kuan Treadwell. Who with the media guys too high on. I mean, initially I thought it was James. Usually I thought it was it was him. I got some quarterbacks, some of these saderbacks. I think they're a little overrated. Oh, I got one for you. Quarter I mean quarterback, because you can pick these quarterbacks

apart for a variety of it. I can't that I'm terrible at the position, but like you can watch their tape and find plenty to be wrong about him too, But you can find plenty to be critical of. Sure, I got one for you, Dane Bradley Chubb. You think just another Chub just in terms not that he not that he's not a good player. I'm not trying to say that, but I've watched him. You didn't. He's the

guy like you do. You do a way too soon mock the day after every draft, right, he was if I had to guess he was probably in like your top five or no, he was. Actually that's because you're great at what you do. But he was in a lot of people's top five. Had been he's been. He's been the guy that we've been hyping as one of the best prospects in this draft for multiple years, like since,

he's been like a softmore that Nelson. I just I've heard a lot about Bradley Chubb, and when I watched him, I was like, he's good, but he doesn't like he's not Miles Garrett like he does, I don't think. But but what I'm like, he gets talked about like he is, at least in my opinion. I gave him a second round grade over the summer boom based on his junior tape, but then this year as a senior, he amped it up. He did amped it up. Dave Taylor's just here as

usual to just make life. I know, But I think that's fair because he's not a Miles Garrett. Not saying he's not a good player. I'm not even saying he's not a first round pick. He's just not that transcendent top five guy. A problem with that is this draft doesn't have five of those guys. That's fair. Yeah, you know, like this draft doesn't have ten top ten picks. You know, you wouldn't take him over. You certainly wouldn't take him over Garrett and I don't think you'd take him over

Solomon Thomas either. Right about Josh Allen at the beginning of this year, Yeah, Josh Allen, Yeah, he's if we're gonna talk about guys that are people a little bit overrated? Yeah, yeah. It always happens that media guys catch up after the combine to really what's going on in the scouting world. That's the media scouts, with the exception of my colleagues here, um who do grind on the tape. I think Malik Jefferson's another one. I think a lot of people, yeahs

bands and a lot of people in the media. I think he's a first round pick. I just don't see it. A lot of angry Longhorns, I know, and hey, no, but some of them admitted, some of mid Mitt that he didn't play well. I love Puna Ford, So it's not all Texas players, all right. I a second round offensive lineman in this draft. Who's my guy? You fell in love with one yesterday, didn't he Oh gosh, Hernandez or Quisenberry Hernandez. Yeah, U tap guys Hernandez Right, Hernandez,

He's he's got bear claws for hands. He's so strong. This guy is square, he's tough, he's a finisher, and for three hundred and thirty something pounds, he can move. I would plug him in right now at left guard here and go. I really would. And I like the and I like the Quisenberry kid from UCLA the center.

I don't know he's athletic enough to maybe play guard. Yeah, but her Nandez is a guy that I again, U tap, poor team didn't win a game this year, But you watch the tape of this guy play, he will get your attention. I want a guard named Quisenberry. Now I can't Jersey Well, you said no, you're right on with Will Hernandez. I think he's right up there. Uh. This is a guy who had bad grades in high school, and so the bigger school is backed off. Utube was

the only school that stayed on him. Is mean, and he rewards he well, he remembers that he plays with a chip and he can move. You're right, yeah, if he's left, you know, one on one battles. He's gonna win those, you know, every time. So I think Braden Smith from Auburn's another guard. Ever, I had problems with Braden sith I did. I like him. I think he's in the second mix. And then Isaiah Win from Georgia. There we left tackle, who I think is going to be a starter at guard. I think he's also in

that early day two conversation. I like it. Christian Kirk, somebody that everyone knows in this region. Is he really just a slot receiver? He was at A and M and that's what I think. I've talked to some Scots about this. He had a first round slot receiver. They're they're torn on this because they want to see it. You think he can do it. I think he could play outside. I think he can too. I just don't know if he'll be as effective. What's his current hype? Ah?

He is five six, I believes, right, yeah, six right right at five to eleven five one zero six, that's him. I think he can play pounds though side. If he can't play outside, that's scary. I don't don't tell me again. It's just that he's never he was a slot only receiver at and I tell you what, we need to go down to A and M the pro day and see what receivers. Yeah. Yeah, if you're more welcome to anybody wants to come on. But is that Are you

really going to learn anything from that? Yeah, but let's see who's working him out and see if they're working him out outside, if they're making him do stuff outside stuff. Yeah, because a big part of it's going to be he's a first round player for me, he's a second receiver I have on the board. Can he separate versus press? Can you know when he doesn't have when he has a sideline to his right and he really you know, there's only so many things he can do with his release.

He doesn't have the open field like in the slot. Will he be as effective instan separation. I'm not trying to spend pick nineteen on a guy who can't play outside, So let's figure that out A good questions. I don't think it's it's that he can't. It's just that we don't know for sure that he can, And it's just a little bit of a projection to say that he

will because we haven't seen him do it. Scary. Well, he's gonna run every bit of fourth though, get ready for Yeah, he's four he's a really really good speed that as a punt returner, he's gonna make a big impact too. So the Cowboys are already said at return, So we're good. All right. Another guy I want to know about what position? Do you think that train? Maine Edmonds, the linebacker from Virginia Tech. Can he play in the league? Which one can't? He plays the baller, he can play

them all. I don't. I don't you want to take him at nineteen? I have no problem taking him nineteen. Yeah, he can play strong, he could play. He put his hand in the ground and rush off the edge. He's six four two forty five. You talk about him helm and you watched him last night. Well that's We actually had a twitter on the twenty question that we didn't get to and somebody said, you know, if Roquan Smith isn't there is there another linebacker that is? And I

think that's your guy. Yeah, there's only two linebackers. I've given first round grades too. On Okay again, I'm gonna do that. I don't player comparison suck. But and he's not as athletic. He's definitely not as athletic. But like I thought, I was thinking about Jalen Smith while I was watching him, not just because of the dreads, but like they use him as a pass rusher. He's a big dude. He's four two forty five, Like he's very large. I think you could use him in certain pass rush situations.

He's got the athleticism to play multiple linebacker spots, and he hits really hard, just like Jalen does. So it would be his best position. I think that's what she wants to know. Best position. Uh. In this scheme, I would play him at Mike right, I would lean. I'd play at Mike myself. I would lean Mike. Yeah, in this scheme, Uh, I would like to see him at

a three to four. That'd be fun. Yeah, if you if him and Jalen Smith were in the same linebacker corps, you're talking about like one of the biggest linebacker at least for four. Yeah. Two guys are like almost two fifty. That's what I'm saying. I got two defensive ends playing Michael Hey, I'm all about it, especially if you you know, people talk about the defensive tackle position as a problem here, Like, if you don't have beef upfront, you might as well

have two check. Can't you remember Ferrell Edmunds his dad? Yeah, tight End, Yeah, he's this guy grew up with the NFL. He knows what it's like to be a professional. It's a good player on that Virginia check tape or a And for a guy that big, he doesn't look uncomfortable and coverage, No, he does. He's carrying guys up the field, you tight Ends. He can cover running backs, he can move up the field and doesn't look like he's lost laboring at all. Yeah, the motor is stuck in turbo.

He's got the character you want to so I think he's I like when he hits people, they stop. Jayleen's got that trade him will stop. Yeah, yeah, it's bump stop. I'd argue they don't. They don't stop, they go backwards. Yeah, I mean he's He's that type of player, No doubt. It's even better surefire number one prospect in this draft? Who is it? Is there one? Did you find one yet that you feel comfortable saying is the number one player in this draft? Leave? I love the Nelson? Ye say,

we're worth gonna say the guard arm. Yeah, the Notre Dame guard Quentin Nelson to me, if you if you said, okay, what's the player? And that's why we brought up the thing about with Gettelman and the giant at the second pick, who is the guy that you're gonna plug in and he's gonna play for ten twelve years. So I asked, you're not gonna worry about I asked the question, like, the guy that gives you the most pause at picking this this is that you're just like, there's no doubt

he's a pro bowler. There's just no doubt, Quentin Nelson, Guard Notre Dame. Every year we're gonna be talking about the matchups on the line, you know. I actually I asked, I asked Zach Martin about him back before the guy's left for the year, and you know he outing I know, right, he was like, uh, I mean, he was very complimentary. But I thought it was funny because Travis Frederick was standing there and he's like, yeah, he's just the latest product product to come out of the new O line.

You can take in a shot at Travis, which I thought it was pretty funny. This guy is a little anecdote for those guys. Hey, I think as far as is sure fire guys, that would be the one guy that I would think, I'd agree. Do you have any pause about Berkeley? I do. I like Berkeley all. I think he's a special player. But um, there are some things that worry me about him. He stops his feet way too much in the backfield. That worries me. H

Washing Ohio State tape, you saw a lot of that. Now, the offensive line he played with didn't do him a lot of favors, but that does give me a little bit of pause when evaluating him. You put him in space and look out. Just talking about the physical traits, he's off the charts. But it's also why I had a higher grade on Zeke, because because I thought he was better with the running back specific traits, his vision, his patience, his tempo, the overall decision making at the

running back position. I give Zeke the edge there, and so I like Berkeley a lot. I'd take him somewhere in the top ten, but I would not one overall. I would not say he's the best player in this draft. Okay, and you're saying Nelson probably or one of the quarterbacks right, I would say Nelson and Fitzpatrick's in that conversation. For me, I really like Darnold, but I would not say he's the top player in this draft. You got one more? Got one more? Is there a team in this top

five of the draft that is likely to bail? About the Giants? And so we were talking about whatever show that was I when we talked about earlier, how there's not five top five players in this draft. You know this isn't Bosa Ze Ramsey type of drafts. Who needs the most help on their team in the top five of all those groups? Can somebody remind me real Bolts? Do you think the Colts would be Colts? Got it? Colts would be the team I would say would bail

at three? Who's at five? H Broncos? Yeah, I think the Broncos are gonna stand in their pick. They don't need I mean, Broncos trade up? How about that? Maybe maybe the Broncos make that deal to get up with the Giants. Like if the Giants can drop back just to five and pick up some stuff and they don't Nelson and something I'll watch with with the Broncos, they'll be coaching the North team at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, I'm totill be in the North team. Yeah,

I refuse to believe. Close look at those quarterbacks that I refuse to believe one of those guys is a top five pick. That would blow my mind. Yeah, you never know the first round guy's true. They're already they're already ready to move to be right in the face with that one. Sorry, Brian, all right, I'll have them. Hey, thanks so much, great, appreciate appreciate you coming in and show your top five us. All right, that's what all we will have time for today at the Draft show.

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