Draft Show: Closing the Book

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Today is Tuesday, April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, and we are three days following the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome into the final episode of the twenty twenty five version of the Draft Show. We've got Bobby Belt, Brian brought us, Chris Beam in the back, and right up here front and center, the stylish, the profiling, the vatch, Lombardi. What's up, dude, Yeah, you gotta turn around.

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Six, super cool.

I was happy to see you wearing it on TV when you was doing the everything I did, I had it on because I was like, man, y'all just doing this to be nice. Y'all really hated but oh no, see I loved it.

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They wouldn't it all right, let's break down this NFL draft.

We're gonna do it by segment and we're also going to fit in some twitter on the twenty questions as that goes along.

But I want to start just generic thoughts on day one.

Then we'll go into Day two and segment two, and then of course Day three and segment three.

Brian, I'll start with you.

The Cowboys go out and get Tyler Booker, twelfth overall pick out of Alabama. They they bring him in. Everybody loves the guy. Everybody loves his his demeanor, his personality. But from an ex's and O standpoint, it feels like a fit too.

No, it absolutely does.

And you know this, These are the things that you know, working in player personnel for as long as I did, that you can appreciate about a draft is there was a lot of conversation leading up to the actual draft the day of would uh, you know, what particular wide receiver be there for them or would they pay the wide receiver position? And I have to give them some credit here, you know, I do think that they would have liked the opportunity to have.

Drafted Ted McMillan.

But you know, the draft is the draft and sometimes players get selected before you and you have to be able to pivot. And I think the Cowboys did a really nice job of really following their board. I can't stress that enough, folks how difficult that could be at times. But there were players between where McMillan was and maybe

Drafted for need there.

Well, yeah, they drafted really, in my opinion, the best player for them. But he absolutely can fill the need at the right guard. So sometimes you take the best player and it absolutely fits one of your needs.

So's it was.

I give him a lot of credit for their stock and the way that they were able to get to their their player there in the first round.

You know, one thing we should we should feel really decent about and give the Jones this some sort of credit for is that they are aware of their needs. You know, Uh, there's there's this rhetoric online that oh, we're just gonna run with the wire receivers that we have. There's plenty of conversation going on, whether it be from Nick Harris or Jane our got Bobby there that that the Cowboys are looking into wide receivers. So at least

The only place that nickname would be better would be if Minnesota had a badass offensive line. Hey, if the Vikings had to be sick offensive line, that's.

A great But we're America's team. Yeah, so the mall of America. So the mall of America's team. No, it's too long.

Yeah, you're trying to sounds like a fortune where it's before and after. Now look, I mean, the biggest complaint you heard from, but I think everybody, even those who didn't want Booker initially, which I think was just out of a lot of fans. It was just they didn't have a fareness of who he was or he wasn't one of the ones we focused on as much as McMillan and others, and so I think that was part of it. Then there's another group that just didn't like the position being taken.

Position value.

I think on the front of the position, I'm going to take issue with anybody who has gone after the position itself. I understand if you wanted something else, but I'm still going to take issue with it, cause here's the thing. He's going to start immediately. He's going to be better than what you had. So if you can take a rookie and put them in your lineup and say we're better than the veterans who are there, it

I think that we were guilty here on our end of it though, too, And I think as a media or the Scout media that, especially with this football team, we talked a lot about wide receivers. We really hammered it here. I mean we you know, it was every day. It seemed like we were talking about McMillan. We were talking about Golden, we were talking about Abuka, we were talking about Yeah.

Sure we did.

We talked about Booker and stuff like that. But we didn't talk about it in the way you know of this, you know. They they looked at it as sure, we're going to just draft our board. You guys can talk about that wide receiver room all you want. And you know, and and I think that we conditioned fans to to think.

Wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver. You know.

So I feel like, to me, where we we were able to to come back and talk about, well, here's Booker and here's how he fits and this is what he's able to do.

But there was so much.

Wide receiver talk, and I think the fans were just thinking, like, that's what it's going to be, and their their expectations of that was to be that. So I feel guilty

Yeah, And I think I don't think you should feel bad about positioning the wide receiver to Need. That was very clearly their top meets Steven identified Yeah, still is their top meat and I'm.

Going to address it elsewhere, but I just felt like we really hammered it though.

Well, that was their target. Mc millan was their target. Here's the thing I think that's important too for people who are that's still their top me If they would have had somebody that was in the range that was close to Booker, I think they picked a receiver. I think what that is a testimony to is Golden and Booker were not close. If it was close, if they were a little yeah, they were a little below them.

That also to just around Cowboy Nation, Twitter online and all this kind of stuff. I think one of the biggest disagreements that happened was is that there were some Cowboy fans that thought that brock Hoffman was the first team guy. And I like Brock Coffin man, no dish better Brock Coffin, But the Cowboys just don't see it that way. Last year, the conversation was all right, Hoffman can be a starting center for you, and the Cowboys immediately say we can be. I mean, we moved him center.

He was better in training camp to start the whole first two weeks of training camp, brock Hoffman was better, and they still moved Cooper.

B b still moved. And now the narrative this year wasn't you can see it online. Hey we are fine at right guard. Hey, Zach's retiring, but we're gonna put Brock in there.

We're gonna move.

Right on from Brock. This tells you what they really think Brock is. And I'll give him credit. He's probably the best interior swing backup center you can find in this guard center in this league. But I think they just wanted a little more juice. They just want a little more. And this will tell you that they looked at right guard as a need, like they looked at wide receiver as a need, like they looked at corner.

I think you saw brock Hoffin is absolute best for five six games.

Yeah, that's where you see brock Hoffin at his best.

I don't know if they really thought that seventeen games was going to be the best for them with them playing.

That he's a unit player, like brock Hoffmin's strength comes in how he contributes to the entire unit rather than as an individual player. He definitely gave them something in terms of an edge and the physicality. And I have more respect for brock Hoffman than than a lot of players in this league. Not that I disrespect, but like, I just hold him in high regard for the work ethic that that guy has. Is awesome, toughness about the

You're here?

Yeah, Now a lot of guys are in that boat right now.

Absolutely, in a lot of different positions.

Absolutely, we'll talk about it.

There's it's going to continue through the offseason and into training camp.

Sega, segma going to be fired. I'm going to.

Talk about the last thing on Booker and a lot of the disagreement that that Bobby was mentioning earlier that fans and media have is where Booker aligned on the consensus board compared to where he ended up going at twelve. A lot of people were saying he was thirty one, thirty two on these consensus boards, these media boards. And

I think the biggest problem that people have real quick, Bobby, is that maybe the athletic ability.

Maybe that's the biggest.

Question already asked scores pretty people are like, they're taking those metrics and they're they're honestly holding it against the kid. Whereas watch will tape. You watch the film, He's kicking LSU's ass. He's kicking floor in his ass.

That's just so miss. I actually made a highlight tape it's on my Twitter right now of Tyler Booker climbing to the second level pulling black and ins black and line.

Though that's the question, that's the question I think that people had that that is the sky an athletic because we're hearing the element of pin and polls and things like that, and then we have the opportunity to interview the coaches and they're saying, listen, we will adjust to whatever we have, you know, and then immediately that's like, okay, they're not going to try and force anything here.

And Tyler Booker, it is a really really good pick.

It really do I want Booker lead blocking around the edge consistently. No, I don't, but but like I'm like, I mean, he's not he's not an elite athlete. That's true. But I will say part of it's funny to me. I think if you watch his tape against or with Alabama, part of it is also he's trying to beat Jalen Milroe to the spot and hellows so fast, like like, I mean, you want him to pull and get there before Milroe does. Like that's partially going to be what's happening there.

Uh.

Second, I think that to the point of consensus. I talked to people from three different teams outside of Dallas, and they all said they thought Booker was going to go on the top twenty.

Wow.

The league thought he was a top twenty.

I had a scout from another team that the night of the draft when he was selected, this scout who has that area told me he says, that was one of my favorite players to scout this year, just overall, the player, the type of person he was, everything about it, and you know, and that was very very encouraged that when the Cowboy scout told me that was a guy from another team that was He's like, man, you guys got you a great one there.

I heard, But I could be wrong. But wasn't Houston trying to trade up to get Booker?

Like like were trading up for an offensive lineman. I don't know if it was Booker or not. I never heard specifically outside of that on you or something different.

I hadn't heard who they were coming up for. I just knew they were. They were coming up. They were trying to come up. It's just too big a drop.

It's probably gonna be Booker because all the other offensive linemen were going at that point. It was Booker and Donovana Jackson that was left over that you would think that they would take seriously enough to take it as well.

I mean, the whole thing was Simmons. It didn't sound like to me with the Simmons stuff, it wasn't so much about the knee. It was about maybe the character stuff. That was the thing that ultimately got him. Where did he end up going first round? That was the kitching Andy Reid pick.

That was what it was.

He had himself a.

Dress New Cincinnati, Kansas City, and the care. I just don't see how you could how you could.

Watch them in the Super Bowl.

I don't see how you could look at that film, Booker's film. I don't see how you could look at it and thoroughly examine it and not come away fully impressed with it. Like some like I get it, man, some players got warts on film. You know what I'm saying. But if you watch him versus the I'm gonna keep saying this versus the competition that he's playing again, I got film of him picking up to Andre Sweat and dropping him on his head. It exists. It's out there,

And if you want to talk about somebody who had to face the most complex defensive fronts, and Blitz looks that the sec or that football really has to offer the college level. He saw it consistently against Georgia. The stuff that Kirby Smart does with late shifts and everything else are the type of things that gave Texas Hell in the first game that couldn't protect when you weres because of it, And it's the same sort of stuff. Those sort of shifts are the same problems that give

Really excited to see how he fits in. Because we're talking about the ex's and o's, we're still not even talking about the person that he is.

How impressive is this.

It's unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it. The way that he interacts with people, coaches, front office, just regular staff members, media. I mean, it's really impressive.

So I'll saying on on YouTube everything that he says, I just believe him, Like he's a believable guy. I remember, I'm not even going to say the player that plays here right now, but his press conference last year, right he was like, yeah, man, you know, I just I like to hurt people like the people. Man, I'm just physical like that, and I'm like, bro, yo, your film don't even say that? Why why you line with us right now by the home time? About like, bro, your

We've sat on this show. I told y'all, so you were top eight, wasn't it? He was eight on eight to the We've sat on this show the Tuesday after the draft before and just been flabbergasted by picks. It's happened, and we wouldn't be afraid to say it that way. I think all of us are in consensus here that we like to pick and we like to fit. Now I think we're also inconsistence that Day two was special.

Kyle, let me take so for you.

Move on.

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It's amazing to me and I just know looking at how I had the player stacked, it's almost not almost, it's in reverse order. The player, the third round player would have been my top player, the second round player right where he was taken, and then you know, with Booker,

Has the statute of limitations expired on a draft board from twenty two years ago? Brian, can you identify a grade from twenty two years ago? Do you think safely?

No? No, probably not.

Maybe names if it's specific names.

Okay, I want to say specific names. He got if we're just talking value, he got in three, Witten in the third, of Al Johnson and the second Brady James and the fourth. Were those all high guys?

Yeah?

Uh I if I remember Parcells the Al Johnson one because we were all sc remit it built a draft went and in the second round and we were worried, and it just happened to be a draft where it was Dallas Clark and uh, there's just all these tight ends and so you know, we're like, gosh, please that we can't do this, just pick him, and Bill's like, no, no, we've got to have the center. I got to have the center. And we just got lucky. The draft got

He did a documentary over there.

Yeah, that was that draft was special in the way that it fell for the Cowboys.

What about a Zeke Jalen Smith and Deck like like value as.

Yeah, so post after the draft dec is going to be higher. Sure, obviously so, but like at the time, like I don't know where they would have had grated Like j Jalen was the top. He was just an injury flag.

Yeah, I had like a second grade, a second round grade on Deck.

I was even looking at like twenty twenty like CD Lamb, trave On Niggs, Neville Gallimore. But I still don't think Gallimore had the same value on their board that of Revel.

It would be it's it would be like I say, it's with Revel, how that plays is going to be That's going to be the one that could be the kicker and he could very well be the best of the three when this, you know, I'm I'm really looking forward to, you know, Britt Brown and this this medical staff getting with this kid because he wants to work, he wants to get back out on the field. And you got a guy with like a Britt Brown that will just we'll get after it and help him get there.

You know, Coach White Kiden came up and said me like, hey, we we need a lot of dudes to make this thing work. And if you think about the Cowboys two years ago when that pass was was that pass us was like really good, Dante Fowler was like the fourth guy. And now he's like our second.

Guy, right, you know what I mean?

So you you you have to look at pass rushing like it was a need coming into this thing. You know, we don't know what we have in Sam Man. You know we were talking about, Hey, your guys out the building. Yeah, dan Quinn's gone and Sam got hurt and he didn't even get a chance to be a part of Zimmer's administration. So so now you are two coaches removed saying wiives if you don't show up and do something expeditiously, sir, you you you are, you are under the fire. I

Yeah, Ezeraka was a borderline first. I think for most people in the league they thought he was going to go, and at the very least they thought he'd be one of the first off the board in the top of the second. So to get him midway through the second is definitely a good value thing. I think in terms of like stacking the defensive line depth and doing different things.

His it's because of his his his rush pattern, right, he doesn't just stay outside. I saw this one rush. It was against it was one of the Carolinas. Whatever, he'll rush outside, counter back inside. He'll look like he'll be beat, but he doesn't stop. Chain and moves together like he's a super nuanced pass rusher right now, on top of the idea that he's bendy, his hell.

Or his arsenal is nuts.

I see, I've seen this. I don't want to cuss on y'all show, but how many times have y'all seen him fake hands high? Offensive lineman put hands high and he bends his ass up under here, Like if you're a college football player, you're just not ready for that, I haven't seen that yet. You know, now when you get to the lead, maybe they've seen that before. But just as a day one arsenal ready to go, you don't have to tea. And that was my biggest That

There's so many times where we're watching these edge rushers and as they were going and I know you and I watched with our show, so I was talking about why is he going down the middle? Why is he going down the middle? Why is he going down the middle. This guy doesn't play down the middle. This guy plays underneath you, he plays around you, he attacks shoulders, he'll go inside of you.

He's not gonna sit there.

And that's one of the problems I had with the Texas A and m kits. I just kept felt like they were just kept rushing down the middle, down the middle, down the middle, and mikel Williams was really and watch is right the same way. You know, come on, when are you get to try and win that edge, when you can try and dip, when you can try and play low shoulder, when you get to try and flatten that angle. You know, you just didn't see it with this guy, him and our guy at Marshall.

Mike Green.

I thought so.

I thought those were the two best pass rushers when it came to attacking a shoulder, getting low and then finishing where they needed to.

I thought the technique from Mezeraku is NFL ready. The side in the length is NFL ready, the speed off of the jump is NFL ready. The one thing that is a knock is his strength, like his play strength, But he plays with his hands so well, specifically the way he's able to play him and the way he's able to work around these or these tackles he's that's something you can grow on. That's something you can coach, you can get better at as time goes on.

He doesn't have brute strength, but I mean there's pop in his hands.

Absolutely.

It shocks guys. And like I said, when he gets locked in, that's.

Gonna get better.

As he does get some brute brute strength whenever he works in an NFL strength and conditioning.

Even when he gets tackles hands on him, he's still strong enough to like, I mean, he will, he'll he'll break, he'll break the grip.

Also too, Like if he's bending all game right and he's outside shoulder, outside shoulder as a tackle, you get used to that and you go, all right, let me overcompensate for his outside speed, and that's when he'll he'll he'll run down a milliu in bull russe or whatever, just fantastically.

Michael wanted to ask the question on Twitter on the twenty.

He said, if the if the Cowboys had moved up to get Tetoro at McMillan, it would cost their third round pick in order to do so. Likely, So now we know that what we've got, would you rather have the picks that you have, the three Booker Ezraku Revel or would you rather have tedor Rolla, McMillan and Aserraku in the second.

Let me tell you how good of a question that is, because they've asked us this before, Like you trade up and you lose picks, but you don't have names on.

The picks that you know who you're gonna get.

We just got picks, and we could be assumed that the Cowboys aren't going to do the right thing and draft properly. Right, But you got three players in my top twenty eight and Brian's top thirty seven. Yeah, I think that's better than Tip McMillan donovan and wait until pick one forty nine to take Bluke.

Yeah.

I think if if you're without your third round pick, your philosophy of the second round pick may differ too. You may not have the leeway to say we'll take a corner in the third or day three. We may have to take Will Johnson who was there at forty four. We might have to take Benjamin Morrison who was there forty four. Tree Almos, I would.

Rather have the picks that we got, No, I mean to me, it's it was very logical when you talk about Vach mentioned the three players. I got the twelfth best player with the third round pick. I got the twelfth best player on my board with a third round pick.

Yeah.

Now you'll say, okay, Brian, it was probably because of some injury and stuff like that, but they you know, this kid is you know the fact that doctor Cooper, who.

I know very well, did the surgery. I think this kid's going to be just fine.

I think he's going we're going to look back at this one day and we're going to go, Wow, what a steal that player was. And so to me give me the opportunity. If you tell me I could get at seventy six, I could get the twelfth player off my board. I don't care how good Ted McMillan is. I'm I'm I'm happy with the way that went.

Can I give you a scenario, yes, because I think if they trade up and they lose their third and their fourth, I think they definitely bail out of their second round. They trade back and they pick up a fourth is what I think. They do everything they can

Yeah, that's what they got.

I like, I think I'd stick with what they got to ye, I was.

Sure that they like Sampson as much as I mean.

I think, I think, I think where they would have to move back in order to pick up capital at that point in probably back half of the fourth round, Samson's probably close to the running back that they would have taken. Sampson Blue statement still may have been in conversation.

That's what I was wondering. If Blue has still been in the conversation.

Tit tit would have been fun, But I would need a jmar Chase type wide receiver like type due to make me feel good about moving on from the holiday week.

I think Tet was relatively around the same great as Booker. It's just Tet was the need like I think that. I don't think it's like Ted was just generational above what they were looking at Booker.

I heard the same kind of thing, like they were very close together on this.

It's Nick Millan would have won out. Its very clear the way that their bored. It's very clear that that that what happened. Did He obviously was the second he was behind McMillan and very close. There there was you know, there was people between and Booker happened to be between their top wide receiver and the next best wide receiver.

Yeah, let me tell you what.

Let it may have been a bigger gap than we thought it actually absolutely.

Let me just tell you what I don't like about Tit. Then I'm asking a cowboy question. He really don't like to be called tit. Like he was on the red Carbet talking to the lady with microphones. It's like, yeah, I don't like when people called me Ted. I don't know where they come from. Well, your name tedoroa? What you mean?

Because he went by t Mac that's what so that's the short name. In his opinion, it's team.

If your name is Bobby is Robert. But if your name is Bobby, if we call you Bob, that's where Bob come from.

Yeah, it makes sense. I see the connection for sure.

He like, where did it come from?

Like?

Why is that?

Why?

Why here y'all call me tick boy?

Your name is Tararroa.

He would, he would, he would, He would never be a good leader or teammate thinking like that, Anti don't watch film, But let me ask you this.

Yeah, good luck in Carolina, guys, Yeah, good luck real quick.

Did you think Carolina was going to take him?

No?

No, I had no clue.

See, but we should have thought that after watching Dallas play Carolina last year at wide receiver.

I mean, they just invested a big pick and Mingo and then traded him and so they clearly had an opening.

Do you guys think that the Cowboys I'm talking about corner now now we're back on Reveel. Do you guys think that the Cowboys are going to attempt to make a big three at corner or is Reveel supposed to be diggs insurance while we while they pay bling? Yeah?

I think some guys need to be unnoticed.

It's kind of both.

I think I think they need to be unnoticed. I agree with Bobby on that one.

Yeah, because Diggs is hurting, I don't know when Diggs is coming back. Are we ever going to see those three on the field at the same.

Time we didn't see them with Jordan.

Lewis had a proper big three where the corner or wide receiver we never get to see.

They never get to see him together.

Yeah, I think when Diggs comes back and you've got Diggs, Bland and reveled. Yeah, I think I think Cream's gonna rise at the top and somebody's probably gonna be on their way out at at the end of that.

That's gonna suck.

Man.

A lot of decisions to be made, same kind of thing on day three, though. We had a lot of decisions made on day three to try and fill some of the needs that weren't necessarily taken in day one or two. When we come back, who was the best value on day three and who could be the most surprising in year one. Couple questions from the Twitter on the twenty chat panel when we come back with more of the draft show.

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This is the final draft show segment of the twenty twenty five Yeah Fel Draft.

I'm bittersweet, I'm sad Zach had to cancel. I know that he's no longer here. The jay Toya was in the building and they said that he couldn't be around him.

That's the good order already.

No, he just he could stomach to potentially bump into somebody, and he's just like buds.

I love how like Uh.

That was a big topic of conversation on g Bag Nation and on the radio or the morning show yesterday and then yeah uh and then the Saints miss correction finished runner up on g Bag of the Day yesterday too.

I was talking about the New Orleans Saints.

Right, like what you saying?

Yeah, you got it. Go go back and listen to it. You know, it might be a drop already.

The audio for the for the hocast that was awesome.

Yeah, oh no, that's gotten. That's gotten played a lot on the station already. So yeah, that's that's getting run into the ground. I feel for him, just like Zach's reputation.

Give me.

The funny thing for me was was Nick not listening? Yeah yeah, yeah, that was fine.

I just you know, I mean, like like you sit there. Zach just kind of gave a really nice great down breakdown. The guy Rugby family got full and then and then all of a sudden, Nick just kind of goes into the same rundown.

He was so confident.

He come from a rugby family.

Let me tell you about this guy. It was how you started it. It's like everybody just kind of looked down, like, what are you doing near bro?

That was honestly the I was six Saturday morning. I think it was actually because I chugged like probably the more energy drinks the night before and it destroyed it. But I was saying when I heard that interview in the seventh round, I was like, this is the moment I've most been upset that I'm not there today because I would make this last hour. Zach would cry.

He may have already, Yeah, we don't.

It's a lot He's a crier.

He's a crier. Man.

It was a lot of fun. We appreciate all those that tuned in and stayed. We got all the tweets as as two fifty seven rolled across, Mister Irrelevant walked the stage, and man, it's always a blast. Day three and we get to the point where it's loopy. Yeah,

Fifth round they had two selections.

Jaden Blue, running back from Texas was the first, and then they traded up. They traded their sixth round pick to come up and get Shamar James, linebacker from Florida. Remaining with one sixth round pick, they used it on a Johnny Cornelius, the offensive lineup or offensive lineman from Oregon, and then Jay Toya, Zach's favorite player, defensive tackle from UCLA, Phil MafA, running back from Clemson, and then Tommy king Basote from Maryland to defensive tackle. The three seventh round picks.

Five out of this group of players.

Because it could be a number of them they address need double dip the running back, double dipped the defensive tackle added some in the trenches. Where do you feel like the best chance to contribute would be both jays?

Jayda On Blue is going to make this offensive fast, this offense fast, really fast. And I think Ja Toya Toya toy eya Toya. I think j Toya is going to be your big body run d guy, you know, shouts out to Masi, Man, we still got to see you know him as a complete player. Talking to coach white Cotte, you know he doesn't have a tight necessary early but having different body types and different guys are

But thize with with hebra flu size, he was the one kind of driving the force behind that picker.

And they and they traded up to go get him. And I was like, Hey, this guy that I had in my seventh round picks or whatever, y'all traded up to go get him in the fifth. So now I got to watch some cowboy ass to see what they see in them.

Soya makes it's going to be, I think right off the jump, you're going to know how good he is when we get to training camp and all of a sudden he's lining up against with Booker Tyler Smith and and you know, and you're in BBI, and how he

How he can help. I think he's absolutely.

Going to push Mozzie Smith for I think I don't think Mozzie Smith could show up and roll his helmet out there and think that he's got this job.

Yeah, because if.

He if you know, like I say, he could get he could just get just as exposed by Booker and Smith and BB and others as well. He needs to come in and not have every practice where somebody has to put their arm around him and say it's okay, big fellow, we'll get him tomorrow kind of a thing. No, it's time for him to grow up and go out there and and be a force.

And maybe maybe.

That's just not in his DNA. And if it's not his DNA, then I could see this team absolutely moving on. Maybe not this year, but I don't think his status is you know, will be submitted. Maybe if we get to twenty twenty six.

Well said, yeah, Toya and Blue are the ones that stand out. Like they said, I mean Blue probably more so. So I'm gonna I'm not jump full on board yet, but I think we did see there were a couple different games last year where Mazi flashed.

Against nfcas to Poe York Giants, played some of his best football.

And so I'm at least looking at that and saying, I wonder if there's enough there and Aaron Whitecott and being a guy whose reputation across the league as somebody who gets the most up players, then I'm at least a little more optimistic, I guess than you guys. Not not banking on it, but a little more optimistic that it's possible. Whereas on the other side, you don't have

I mean he's short, but he's not a He's not a he's not a five you know, he's not a five nine.

He's a you know change. Yeah, he's he's six.

Yeah.

I don't I don't think he's going to be a game day in active. I don't think he's going to be you know, active but not really getting any touches. I think he'll be used probably similarly to how he's used at Texas when Texas had all their healthy running backs. Like that's the kind of workload that he's going to get and that's that's something that if he can produce, which I think he's capable of, then he can make an impact pretty quickly.

I like the way you kind of outlined it because a lot of people are looking at a fifth round running back and saying, oh, he has a chance to contend for a starting job. Who's going to be the starter up front for running back? You're going to get a different look from these guys. There's not going to be one consensus starting running back out of this group. You're going to use them in specific spots and kind of use Williams here or Sanders there, or Blue there

A guard Mars.

He goes to Tyler Booker and he wins a rep against Tyler Booker and it's tweeted out and everybody's gonna be like, oh, Tyler Booker has having a bad camp boy.

If I know a Booker, man, he coming right.

Man, he's gonna get him on the next rip.

But Toya has a chance to really do something out of that one tech spot at that.

You don't zero or one.

I mean, this guy's not going to be a great pass rusher, but what he's going to be is you put him head up. He has a problem to deal with, a little bit of a shorter armed guy, but man, he plays with a lot of power. He faces all kinds of blocks and plays them all well. He's at three point forty two. He is a very hard guy to move off the ball.

What do you think about the h the other guys now that you've gotten to see him a little bit. Has anybody watched Phil MafA or King Basote since they were they were picked and kind of what what are some of the thoughts along the way with those guys.

I was a little underwhelmed with with MafA. I think the first thing that you have to do is take him out of those shotgun runs.

Man.

I can't stand I can't stand a powerful runner being being stuck in that.

But put him in the eye.

Yeah, yeah, I thought I thought he was at his best when he was running forward and running through people. He's two hundred and thirty five pounds, four pound whatever it was. He's at his best when he's moving straight forward. He he likes to dance. Stop dancing, guy, run directly into people. He likes to, you know, make some cuts and try to read and really figure it out. My guy, even if you got to run over your offensive line

Yeah, you know, to me, I was I was kind of looking more like the guys Martinez got picked in the seventh round. Crosskey Merritt got picked right behind you. I mean literally, Yeah, Allen was Syracuse was picked in the seventh round. Maybe those guys a little bit more. I thought we might have been a little bit better pairing, And I think Vouch is right. Though you could watch

I had, So I agree. I think you saw basically a seventh round pick on tape, like when you watch the Clemson stuff. But I will say that I'm I've got a slight I've got I've got a slight correction to what I saw on tape. I guess because after asking around from a few people and watching the twenty four tape, I was told he was hurt the entire time.

They said he had anger.

So yea that they said he played hurt the whole year. So I don't know if he's just is he so banged up so he's trying to avoid some of that physicality because he's already bruised.

Oh, he's runned over some people. Though you can watch some games where he physically will run over folks.

So he's I mean, like he's I think he's a fine contributor, but like you watch him on tape and I just go, yeah, that's a guy you taking the seventh round and just see what sticks.

Maybe because we thought we, you know, we had a better idea of the guys. I mentioned the crosskey Merrits and yeah, Allen's.

And guys Martinez don't cut Martinez.

Yeah he smokes people. Yeah, and he still had more production.

He didn't have more yards per carry than he had in twenty twenty three, but in twenty twenty four he had more production overall than he did the year before that. They used him in the red zone a lot. In twenty twenty three, had thirteen touchdowns compared to eight last year. He's not your home run threat. Your home run threat is Jaden Blue.

Yeah.

This is a short yardage back for the most part, at least the start, and if he can break something a little bit more than that, and he can utilize the pass protection element with his size and take a step forward literally in running forward. I agree with Watch on that point as well. You can't dance behind the line of scrimmage, go laterally. That's not his game. His

I kind of feel like that him and our Maryland defensive tackle probably practice squad type guys.

Probably What did you see in him?

You know what?

I to me, I wasn't super impressed as with I worry a little bit. I think he's laid off the ball and you know, and I think we need to kind of speed him up that way.

I think he could play the one. I think he could play the three.

He'll try and throw some pass rous moves and stuff on you, but he'll get stuck on blocks. He's a little bit like when we talk about the guys that start stop and then they get stopped again and they're trying to re It's really really hard for him to do that. I could see him playing down the line of scrimmage. There were a couple of games where he was able to make that tackle for loss, just working down the line of scrimmage. But he's he's he's really laid off the ball, and so those are the types

Is you know?

Is he getting distracted? What's happening there?

The size and all that, He's a big upper body guy and kind of got like a slimber lower body, which allows him to have the ability to move around and stuff. But man, he is going to have to lear him to come off the ball quicker and come with a little bit more pass rush, moves, play with his hands a little bit better. I just kind of feel like though, with a with a crowded room, he's going to have a hard time making this football team. And I could see actually him being on a practice squad.

Got some length though, and he does and when he did make plays, it was him using his length. He just doesn't do it all the time. Brian makes a great point. He's just a little late, just a just a just a tick late. But when he was on time and he came off the ball, he uses length and he stacked and shit in and extended. That's when he was really good. He just didn't do that all the time. You would much rather watch Jordan Phillips if

Well, I think he benefits from a I know there's a lot of bodies in there defensive tackle, but there's a lot of uncertainty in the defensive tackle room. So unlike a Phil Maffa who's a seventh round pick at running back or and where he could fit in the running back room that's crowded with veterans and draft picks now and a couple other guys, they can have a defensive tackle that could sneak his way onto the back end of the roster as long as he does the right thing and.

Hills the void.

Still a long way to go for a lot of those guys, and probably practice squad is a little more likely as they get into it.

All right, that's gonna do it for us, Bobby.

It was good having you back today.

We missed you on day three.

Thanks.

Yeah, I was, I was. I was glued to my bathroom.

Have a tradition if you're not showing up on day three.

Damn, I was here. Maybe maybe less energy drinks this time around.

I was here last year and finished my point.

Brian Man, let me let me just say, man, this has been the coolest thing that I've ever had an opportunity to do. Shots out to everybody that you know, put their arms around me and let old YouTuber in the building to come here and talk about some draft man shots out of my Rookie Pott and brother Thomas Yarrish there. You know what I'm saying. I'm Booker, He's Donovan. You know what I mean, And you know appreciate y'all.

Smelled like dirty dishwater.

Now I get to bust his suit out close out the draft, So I appreciate you. And if there's anybody that that never known who I was and my audience that come in to chat and bother, hell at y'all. Sorry about them, but they but they travel with me, you know what I'm saying. So hopefully when you watch me and Brian's podcast on my YouTube channel Vace Lombard and voc HLO NBA r DA, y'all will follow us around too. So appreciate y'all for tuning it.

And you can slow down the YouTube clip there and just play it over and over so you can get all those letters in there too. Bas Lombard, it's pretty easy to spell.

Watch.

It's been a whole lot of fun. Like you said, you and Tommy have killed it. You're number one. Can't wait to have you on again next year too, and really roll into the twenty twenty six draft, hopefully with the Cowboys picking thirty second overall.

I think that would be a lot of fun if we can get there.

Brian Pleasure as a thank you guys.

Great job.

Zach Wolchuck who's not here. Sorry about the Hakka, but you were fantastic too. We love you Bobby again. Great to have you back today.

Thank you. Kyle did a good job this year.

Thanks guys. It was good to be back for the draft weekend.

I missed it last year with the babies at home, but now it's now it's back to normal. Chris Beam in the pack and everybody who helped have their hands on this throughout the draft process, whether it was cutting, b role, editing, video clipping, interviews, all that stuff. We appreciate everybody that was here for it. Along the ride. For one final time for Vox Lombardi, Brian brought us Bobby Bell Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman

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