Draft Show: Breaking Down the Top 100

one hundred list, and we're gonna do just that. Dame Brugler has his top one hundred NFL Draft prospects. We're gonna break that down. We're also gonna talk a little bit of Senior Bowl here as well. So the Senior Bowl is just on the horizon over the next couple of days, and there are plenty of prospects that if you and the Dallas Cowboys should have your eyes on. But well, it's gonna be a fun one because we've got a battle brewing between Dave Brugler, Jeff Cavtall, and

Kevin Turner as well. I'm Kyle Yeoman's and well, before we get into really the battle that's been brewing on Twitter, Jeff, I know you've already talked about it on Twitter. Dane's even alluded to it a little bit as well. We're gonna talk some safeties, but I do want to get into this top one hundred initially and kind of get into it and talk about these top one hundred players off the bat, Dane, who you've got kind of posted on the Athletic and who you've got tabbed as the

top prospects overall. Yeah, you know, it's it's tough to an these type of lists because you know, there's no scheme that I'm scouting for and so there's a lot of generalities that you have to get through. But we try to stack these these players just trying to the best players in this class. It's very offensive, top heavy. Um, you know, I think my first defensive player is Caleb

Farley at number ten, my top corner. Uh, you know, and I don't think that, you know, anybody that's been listening to the show, I don't think that surprises anybody. This is we just don't have that top ten pass rusher. Uh. Some of these linebackers are intriguing, but I don't know

that they're top ten locks. So Caleb Farley at ten, Patrick Shartan at eleven, top two defensive players on my board, And then I thought it was interesting how many edge players I ended up having between you know, sixteen and then like thirty. Um, you know, there's a lot of talented guys from Augilarry from Georgia. I'm a big fan

of Jason o Way from Penn State. Um, you know, there's plenty of different options there if they're if you're the Cowboys and you're looking for a trade back opportunity, that's where I think the sweet spot is for that edge position. It's a very strong When I went through the top one hundred and countered up the positions, wide receiver led the way with seventeen. Offensive tackle was double digits at ten, pass rusher was thirteen, corner was eleven.

So we're looking at four positions that had double digits in the top one hundred, four positions that I think a lot of teams, including the Cowboys in some of those areas, could definitely use. Now I'm looking through your list, did you have the top non Trevor Lawrence name player as Pina Seul, and we've kind of talked about him at length, and then right after that Jamar Chase instead

of maybe a Davante Smith. What's the reason why you went over Davante Smith who was a Heisman winner, had one of the best receiver years in NFL history, and you put Jamar Chase up in front. Yeah, And I think that with Davante Smith, he's had a fantastically year, like you said, but Jamar Chase last year had a fantastic year and we just can't forget about that. I think he's got the more projectable body. I think that with Jamar Chase, I I just like him a little

bit more. And that's it's still like Davante Smith quite a bit. But if I had a choice between the two, I'm giving Chase the slight edge. I think that my ball mentality that he has is going to serve him very well the NFL. There's a little bit of Larry Fitzgerald there with which Chase can do, and so I think it's it's easy. You know, recency bias is a real thing for us and for NFL teams. But Jamar Chase was so good last year that I don't think he's going to be overlooked. I think that Jamar Chase,

DeVante Smith, Jalen Waddle. We've got three high end wide receivers in this class, and all three have a good chance to be taken somewhere in the top ten to twelve picks. And of course, I mean you talk about secondary and there's plenty of secondary players up at its front part of his draft. And you've got Klea Farley at ten, he's cornerback one. Then you've got Patrick Surtan

at two. But then if you want to look at a safety, you gotta go all the way down to thirty three on the list, and that's where Trey von Mowray got a TCU. Is the top safety on the board. He's my top safety as well, but he's a little bit higher than maybe thirty three, just by a little bit so far. But Jeff, I see you sporting the TCU jacket. Now I didn't see it in the open I wish I would have. But you're leaving back looking

at this TCU jacket. Is that for motoring? Is that what you're supporting this very moment because he is the top safety on the board. That's a great question, Kyle. You know, he is the top three safety in this draft class, so um, that would be a good reason to where the TCU hoodie. But I'm actually I'm actually

rocking the TCU hoodie in honor of his teammate. And the best safety in this draft are Darius Washington, who who didn't make Dane's top one hundred because as I've learned about Dane over the years, Dane hates small people, which I gotta tell you it's surprising because Dane, are you Daney sixty three? You know than I am? Yeah, right, So Dane's blatant disrespect to my five foot eighth safety. It hurts my heart. Our Darius Washington on tape for me, is the best safety in this class. And look, I

get it. Five eight one seventy eight is what he's listed at, and it's like, oh my gosh, he's so small sometimes in this game. What I've decided is you have to just watch him and if you believe it, then you say it. And what I believe is that our Darius Washington, out of all the safeties that I've watched, is instinctually the best. He is physical, he will run the alley and tackle. He plays single high and covers for teammates. When he's playing man, quarterbacks won't even look

at him. Our Darius Washington, to me on tape, is the best safety at TCU and he's the best safety in the country. So he can't make the top one hundred because Dan didn't like little people. But our Darius Washington's an absolute stud and he'll be in my top thirty. Mm hey, I love I love that conviction. Love that conviction, Katie. I just tell you where you sat here before we heard Dane's rebuttal on the safeties back and forth between

Washington and mored Yeah, I like Marick Moore. Jeff said, our Darius Washington's five eight, I am might be pushing it a little bit, five six, five to seven. And look he's tiny. He's really small. He's he's really small. Um hey, I'm no, uh you know minute bowl here, so but uh, I think I think what I would say is when I watched him play, I like Ardarius

Washington's movement skills. I like the way he moves. I like that he's got the junkyard dog at him and he wants to go up and throw his body around and tackle. I just don't think that is gonna work on defense. I just don't think five to seven five. I'll give Jeff five eighth. Wa'ts his weight? Well, hold on, hold on, KTLA. There's no combine this year. I'm gonna call him five ten and see if I can get away with it. I don't care he's listed it. He's

listed at one seventy eight now. But here's the thing, the size. Here's here's the way I deal with the size thing. Does it ever hurt him? Sure, he has a smaller tackle radius. He misses a couple of tackles because he can't wrap a guy up because he's he's a smaller guy. But like I watch a Sante Samuel Junior and when they played Clemson, the first two plays of the game, they threw it up on him and they took him off the field. They took a sand

same with Junior off the field. Our Darius Washington and both Like twenty nineteen, people tried him because they didn't know him. So he had four or five picks. Twenty twenty, he had no picks. And I did two full games of him in twenty twenty, and I didn't see a target. People don't throw at him, Like if it's gonna get you hurt, I'm waiting for it to get him hurt because people don't throw at him because you can't get open. So I mean that's just as Dane said, I am convicted.

This is our Darius Washington's my guy. And like Dane said with Jamar Chase, he mentioned Larry Fitzgerald to me, and I don't care kill me for it. Shades of Honey Badger. That's what I see in our Darius Washington. And like here's my thing with Washington. I don't even think he's a safety. I think he's a nickel only player. And I like Washington. I think he's somewhere early day three for me, you know, fourth fifth round. I think

he runs well, he's a solid open field tackler. He breaks down well, you know, rings his feet to balance and finishes when he stays square. But like you said, that lack of length, it just it shows up. There are too many you know, quote unquote almost plays on

his tape, and that that bothers me. You talk, you know a guy like Chas Sarat, that bothers you him not getting off blocks safeties that there are almost plays that really bugs me because as a safety, you're the last line of defense, and so I really have questions about him holding up as a full time safety. I think we're looking at him more as a nickel player, a guy that can, you know, help you out on defense. But I just I don't know. I didn't see a

top one hundred pick. I think that you know he he gets pinball too much if he plays too close a line of scrimmage. So I don't see a strong safety, a guy that you're gonna want playing in the box. Um he can get turned around and coverage down field, and I don't think he's that elite athlete where he

can easily recover after a false step. So he has to play because of that lack of eyes and because he doesn't have elite physical traits in terms of just his athleticism, I think his margin for air is so small, and because of that, I just he worries me. Even though I do like him. I do like the toughness, I do like the competitive style. I have him graded as a fourth fifth rounder as a nickel only player. M So, who was who was our favorite short safety

in last year's draft. I just want to throw that out there. Who all around him Antoine Winfield exactly, Antoine Winfield junior. So I'm curious as to where a guy like Washington would stack up with Antoine Winfield junior. Jeff, is he just as good as he better than Antoine Winfield Junior? Because this is still a guy who went in the in the second round and he has played exceptionally well in his rookie season for Tampa Bay. I mean,

I've got them similar. I mean the difference is that Winfield is a little bit bigger and he's a little bit better attack. Yeah, like what twenty five pounds? Yeah? Well, I'm also not a weight hater, you know. I like, I like, if you get him to the ground, you get him to the ground. And Washington, I do think Winfield is a better tackler, So there's yeah, there's something there. I think Washington is the better mover now. And this is to Dane's point when he says that he's when

he's got him as a nickel only player. That's mostly relevant if you're talking about covering guy in man coverage. But I think that our Darius Washington is the better cover guy so I mean, I've got him. Similarly, if you were just watching tape and you weren't a coward, because even I'm a coward to some extent. If you're just watching tape and you're not a coward, I would put our Darius Washington as a first rounder. But I'm probably gonna cheat a little bit and call him like

a two because he's such five howard. No, I'm not gonna be a coward. No, you know what. Hold on, let me click through my things. No, yeah, I have him as a one. I have two second round safeties. I have a first round safety, and I have two

second round safeties and the first round safety. I would get an NFL team fired because they'd be like, wait, but nobody else is going to pick him in the top seventy five, and I'd be like, yeah, I know, so you guys, we can wait if you want to try to wait, but if we lose him, I'll be

mad at you. And so I would be fighting for that guy just at whatever point you thought you had to take him, and maybe I'd get us all fired because we picked a five eighth safety in the first round and it didn't work out because he's a five eighth safety and I'd get us all fired. But I believe it and I think that's I think that's the point of this. Like Dane, to me, Dame is the

best in the business at this. But I'll still have guys that I disagree on, and this is one of them that I would say, I see a guy to me that's similar to honey Badger, and whether he's playing down, whether he's playing deep, whether he's walking down into the nickel, whether he's a dime linebacker with I don't care what you want to call him, put him on my team. Is there, like I know you're compare him the honey Badger. At least that's who reminds you of in terms of

his body type. Is there anybody like It's hard to come up with guys that are five seven and a half one hundred and eighty pounds that are, you know, impact players in the NFL and that doesn't Before Patrick Mahomes, you know, you couldn't find the Texas Tech quarterback that could you know, do anything in the NFL. So I'm not saying that, you know, there's always going to be

a first for everything. So maybe our Darius Washington is the first but finding a five seven and a half quarterback one hundred and eighty pound or corner hundred or safety, defensive back, however you want to qualify them, they're just not many of those guys, and so it can be tough. I think it's like uh nickel Robie Coleman, who you know, had some uh you know, good years in the league as a nickel for the Bills and the Rams, and

you know he's still floating around the NFL. I mean to me, that's the type of player that I think we're talking about with him. Um, it's just it's tough to find a comparable for our Darius Washington Washington in the league. And that doesn't that doesn't mean and you dismiss him. It just it makes the likelihood of him hitting significantly lower when you can't really come up with a comp to his size and skill set. I kind of thought of LaMarcus Joyner, although I would say Ardarius

Washington to me kind of moves better. But little guy who plays like their heads on fire, you know, I hate that. That's kind of what came to mind for me when watched him. But just I said, I was immediately think of the smallest guy I could remember from the last few years. You know, LaMarcus Joiner a little different. I mean, I think Ardarius Washington has the ability to probably cover a little bit better than LaMarcus Joyner did. And I don't even know I had LaMarcus Joyner, I

believe is not really. I mean, I don't think he's getting quality playing time for anyone anymore. He had a couple a couple of years, I know, with the Rams, and then you know you don't hear much, but you know, whatever, Again, he's his own he's his own player. Ardarius watches his own player. I didn't really have a problem with your list, Dane. As I was going down, I would say the problem that I had as I think you have maybe more too high. I just I just don't see it. You

had one in the thirties. I can't tell you with conviction that Moray would crack my top fifty. And maybe that's a homework assignment and I've got to go do a top fifty now. But like, I really don't think he would be there. No, yeah, I get that. And I don't think Javon Holland from Morgan would be there.

And I don't think that Cisco, Paris Fort, none of them, I don't know, there's not That's why I think that's part of why I like Washington because I just think that he's so much better at football, and that's and that's the risk. Where to Dane's point, that's part of this process is how do we just eliminate guys so that we're not taking giant risks? Well, we've never seen a guy who looks like our Darius Washington be a

good NFL safety, So do we just eliminate him? Or would I make the passionate plea that once upon a time, Kyler Murray didn't have a chance in hell it playing quarterback in the NFL s Baker Mayfield didn't have a chance in hell it going number one overall. Antoine Winfield used to maybe would have been a fourth or fifth rounder.

But yeah, I mean there's when you've got physical, when you don't physically look like what people think every position looks like, you would be taking a giant risk, which is why I would get lucky, and I'll get that's why I get to mock draft and I take Washington in the third every time because that's where I'm taking my first round player is in the third because no one else is going to take him because he's tiny. Now, just to clarify really quickly, Katie brought up LaMarcus Joiner.

He did play this year with Las Vegas and actually played quite a bit. I mean he was one of their better safeties for the Raiders, but kind of on the back end. Now, Dane, whenever it comes to treyvon Morig, is there just a little bit more of a comfortable feeling with him. I mean six one, two hundred plus pounds. I mean, he's kind of that prototypical frame for a safety. He had the seven career interceptions. He was a playmaker,

he was an impact guy. And I think if you're looking at a fit specifically, specifically for the Cowboys, he might be the better fit for Dallas, even though he might not be as good of a player, at least in Jeff's eyes as maybe in our Darius Washington and some of these other safeties. Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean he's you're in a lot of ways your traditional free safety, very smoothing coverage. He can quickly transition.

I do question how fast he is, Like, I don't know that he's not gonna run a four to four. You know, he might be closer to a four to six. So I think that top end speed I have some questions about. But he does have some range. He can play both sidelines. Uh, you know, I really like his ball searching abilities, the ball skills, the length where he can make plays on the football. He's a solid rap tackler. He can last so the ball carrier. He's not an

exceptional tackler. So we're talking about a player who I don't love, but you know, I like there's things, there's plenty to like about him, and like, uh, you know, Katie was saying, you know, I don't think that he's I don't think he's going in the first round, and I don't feel great about him even as a top forty player. This is this is another draft where it's just the safety play. It's just it's not great. And there's only one safety in my top fifty and that's

more egg. I've got I think seven safeties overall in the top one hundred. And not to pivot the conversation too much, but one of my favorite safeties this year who doesn't get talked nearly about nearly enough is Richie Grant at UCF Central Florida. I think he's outstanding, a former wide receiver who has speed, can come downhill, run the alley and hit. I think that you know he's he made my top one hundred. I don't think Richie Grant's being talked about nearly enough. I think he's a

top five safety in this class. I would like to add a guy if I could guys on the safeties and Dane you have him as your safety three. It's just a weird safety class and that there's not safeties in this class. Look, the NFL is desperate for dudes that can play center field, and we can't find them.

And I think part of that reason, and this probably elevates a guy like Morig is part of the reason we can't find him is the best athletes play receiver and when you get or corner, well, I think a lot of them what happens is because look what's happening in the draft. A lot of times, if you go to college and you'll show up as a receiver and you can't get on the field, they switch you to corner. And if you're six two and two hundred pounds and you can run well, all you gonna do is be okay,

and you're gonna get drafted. So like you go from receiver, then you go to corner, and then if you can't run well enough, then you go to safety. There's not a lot of dudes that from the age of ten are like, man, I want to play safety, That's what I'm gonna be, And so it's hard to find them. And my third guy and Dane's third guy are the same. And it's Dane. If I say it wrong, just you'll correct me or Kyle will, because you guys are really

good at this. Hamsat and a Cyril Dean Florida State, so like nas Real Dean, so like my safety's all they're very different. I've got I've got Washington, then mull Rig I don't love Holland, so Nasrel Deem and he's like the exact opposite of our Darius Washington. He the tallest safety and pretty much all the safety prospects. I mean he's six four, I think, yeah. I mean the guys I've got listed here, I don't see another guy that didn't close to six four, And I think his

arms are about as long as two of mine. And I'm sixty three, So like he's the exact opposite of Washington that he's kind of a giant at safety, but he's just like he's sort of your box tackling machine, not terrible in coverage, can make some plays in the passing game. And it's just it's weird trying to find great safeties in these draft classes, and I just I don't see him this year. That's where the Sun Senior Bowl is gonna be like huge for some of these guys.

Like there's a guy like from Pittsburgh, DeMar Hamlin. I don't think he made your top one hundred day, but DeMar Hamlin is a guy I watch him on tape. I like it, but the things that he did at Pittsburgh makes me nervous. For his size, he's kind of used as a matchup tool, but like I'm not. I'm sitting there watching him and going, well, I don't know if he's fast enough to cover the deep part of

the field. And I know he could come and make his presence vote in the run game, even though he's you know, ten fifteen pounds lighter than I want him to be, you know, and there's like some things there I'm like man, I don't know if he was used at Pittsburgh the way he might transition the pros. I also don't know if he's fast enough, and I want to see that at the Senior Bowls's that's one of the guys, you know. That's like, I'm glad that he's going to the Senior Bowl and we can watch him

a little bit more. Sure. There are a couple of really good group of five safeties that are going to the Senior Bowl that I'm really excited to watch up against, maybe some of these power five receivers. James Wiggins out of Cincinnati. I think he could be a solid player. Richie Grant from UCF. I like both of those guys as group of five, kind of middle round prospects. Nothing crazy up near maybe a mo rig or Nasser Radine

or Washington or something like that. But I do like those guys in terms of maybe kind of group of five talent. Now, Dane, just for everybody listening, you said that you had seven safeties in your top one hundred, and that might sound like a lot, but I was looking through just kind of compared in terms of different positions. You had seven edge rushers in your top thirty two, So you match the same amount of players, throw them in the top thirty two, and that's how many safeties

you have in all of it. Offensive tackles specifically, you have seven offensive tackles in your top forty six. You have seven wide receivers in your top forty eight. So I mean the fact that there is a lack of depth here at safety. Do you think that could entice maybe a team like the Cowboys who desperately need a free safety, desperately need some help on the back end to maybe go and stretch that pick a little bit at two or maybe even three, some of those premium

Day two picks. I hope not, because you're reaching out a player. So even though it's a need, you're still reaching. It's just it's hard to find safeties. I mean, the way Jeff set it up was I think spot on. And just because you don't have that guy doesn't mean

you should go reach to try and get him. So I'm a fan of drafting good players, and if there's a better player on the board, even though it might not be as big of a need, that's that's the direction they should be drafting, not necessarily reaching for some of these guys, even though I mean, you know, it's only one safety my top fifty, and that's Morigum, you know. And then after that, I mean we talked about it, like the guy like Nasheal Dean. There's just not many

safeties that look like him. He's he's different, and so you have to understand how to use a player like that, you know. I think there's some interesting guys. You know, Jamie and Sherwood from Auburn's an interesting junior who came out and just cracked my top one hundred. Like him quite a bit. I mentioned Richie Grant how he's being slept on. So you know, there are some safety options if they want to try and find that position later, but hopefully they do not reach on a player just

because it's a need. It's a seven or eight, so about the right number. If you go back two years, that's the draft of the Cowboys at Tristan Hill. But we were always kind of talking about one Thorn Hill and the Taylor Raps of the world. Seven safeties going the top one hundred and last year's draft eight safeties going the top one hundred. If you remember the you know, the Jeremy Chens and the cow Duggers of the World and Ashton Davis and things like that. Just for reference,

that's what it's gonna be. Probably it's usually around that area. Six to eight safeties in the top one hundred and your Cowboys picks four picks and the top one h five four cracks at it to take a safety. I don't think this team will do it. Personally, and yeah I knew DC dan Quinn. I don't see them pulling

the trigger on a safety. And you know what, I kind of as much as I complain a lot about them quote ignoring the safety position, and there's no one here blowing me away, so I would kind of just see what happens to free agency. Maybe I'm not writing

it off. I'm just saying I'm not. It's not gonna bother me if they don't pull the trigger on a safety with their top four picks Katie and Jeff specifically, I mean, whenever it comes to this front office and you're coming up at forty four and you've got Trey von Mowig on the board, you've already addressed a big need with your pick at ten, whether it's corner or edge rusher or maybe even defensive tackle. If you want to go with Christian Barmore there, you address a defensive

need at ten. Let's just say that. And Morigg is sitting there at forty four. He's a top safety on your board, and he compare with with Donovan Wilson. You have those two guys on the backside of the defense. You're you're saying that they won't do that. You don't think they would invest that high of a pick at forty four overall to maybe go get a safety, even though he's a Texas kid. He's a guy that's right down the road at TCU. You've seen him plague on

countless occasions. I mean, they could, but if they feel about him the way that let's say um Kat does, and you're like, I don't have an idea of what my top fifty would look like, he might be in it. I bet that's around the area. But you know, in a draft and when you get even to forty four, I would bet, and maybe Dane can help out here. With all the connects in the NFL, I bet it's rare that you get to the forty fourth pick in the draft and you have that pick and you don't

have one of your top thirty players available. That the way it and so like for me, I like what Dane is doing with these edge guys because mine's the same one. So he's like, hey, who do you like better between so and so and so and so and so and so and I'm like, dude, I got every single one of them, as like pick them somewhere around thirty,

like all of them. So there's there's a chance you're going to get there, And do you want to not even necessarily reach because if he's your let's say he's your forty fifth best player and you're at forty four, it's not necessarily a reach. But you look up you're like, oh, or twenty eighth best player available is available, Like it's um bash them the defensive end or it's Osie. But like, yeah, like you got these, you got these pass rushers that

are available. I don't. I don't want to reach because I'm desperate and I need something there. I don't want to I would rather just sign Xavier Woods on a one year deal and play them at free safety and go pick the best players. Well, I know last year, uh Antoine Winfield, the Bucks had a pretty high grade on him. And they got him a forty five. So I mean it's it's probably rare for it to happen.

But one example from last year. Yeah, and I think now that you know, like we know Donovan Wilson can't cover no offense, Donovan good player, strong safety type, we know he can't cover. So it's like it's very clear what you're looking for. It's out there. It's Trevon Moory fast enough to go play free safety for you. I don't know. I don't think. Okay, that's just me and then I don't hate the player or anything, but like

I've got a pretty specific role for you. Man. If we're transitioning to playing a lot of Cover three and things like that, a lot of single high type stuff, then I got to have trust and range. And look, I think his instincts are fine. I think when it's when we're talking about getting from the hash to the opposite side of the field numbers to go make a play on the ball, I don't know if he can

get there. And that's that kind of bothers me. Yeah, I think that's gonna be a worry if he comes out and runs maybe a four five or four five five or something like that a little bit faster than that four six that we kind of talked about earlier as a potential for morag And I know there's no combine. I know it's probably gonna take place down the road

in Fort Worth. But if he comes out and runs something pretty decent, I think his draft stock goes up for me as a free safety because he played a lot of Cover three and played a lot of that single high safety during this time at TCU. I mean, they've run a lot of that stuff in the Big twelve, and I think he could potentially fit alongside Donovan and

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Yeoman's will be connected momentarily. You know, we gotta do technical things in this world, and that's tough sometimes. So it's Jeff Kavanaugh, Dane Brugler, Kevin Turner, and Kyle Yeomans, who has the Twitter on the twenty questions, is going to be back with us momentarily. So until then, the runsheet is also on my phone. What's the third segment, Katie? Senior Bowl stuff? Right, so let's let's just let's talk

about Senior Bowl next week. We got a Yeah, let's let's do twitter on the forty five's and we'll talk about the Senior Bowl right here. Hey, my my top one hundred I had thirty seven players that are on the Senior Bowl roster. So we're talking about some pretty good talent. It's going to be in Mobile next week. Davante Smith reveal that is going to be there and he's doing a really smart thing, but with no combine we don't know what the pro days are gonna look like.

He's gonna get some FaceTime with the Miami Dolphins, who owned that number three pick. Pretty shrewd move on his part, even though he won't be able to practice with that thumb injury. It's a it's a pretty interesting group with

the roster they're putting together for the Senior Bowl. What are some of what do you think are some of the First of all, Jim Naggie does an incredible job of getting guys because I didn't always think of the Senior Bowl this way, and maybe I just didn't pay enough attention, but I didn't always think of the Senior Bowl as a place where there's a whole bunch of

first round picks. But the last few years, I mean really before Naggie was even taking part, and it was when we were there with Aaron Donald and Zach Martin. But now, I mean, you're getting one one, You're getting quarterbacks who go number one overall, you're getting linemen, and you're just they get such great players. What are to you the best groups where you know when you're getting to see and getting a hold of the tape of the one on ones and all those things of your

sort of projections. What are the best groups? Uh? You know, I don't know that this year we have a lot of the you know, top Like into my top twenty five, there's only one guy that's going to be participating and that's Kadarius Tony. So I don't know that we have a lot of the high end guys. But in between twenty five and sixty there's a lot of senior Bowl guys. And I'm interested in the tackles first, the edge rushers.

You know, seeing a guy like Alex Leatherwood Alabama left tackle, or Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame's left tackle going up against one on one with some of these edge rushers, whether it's a Carlos Bashum or Rashad Weaver from pitt that's gonna be I think a really good matchup those offensive line one on ones. A chance to see Deonte Brown, that big, hulking offensive guard for Alabama. How can he hold up in space? He came up, came in at number fifty on my board. I'm a big fan of

Deonte Brown. How does he do against a Levi own Zawiki, who you know is such a violent player at defensive tackle. So those one on ones in the trench's offensive line defensive line should be a lot of fun. And then also wide receiver and uh in corner you know mentioned I mentioned Kadarius Tony. He is as elusive as it gets as a route runner. His ability to uncover is just dynamic. And how how do corners come back that, you know, besides just saying a prayer. It's it's gonna

be tough for those guys in that situation. But you know Melofon from Syracuse for example, how does he hold up on the outside. That should be a great test. There's gonna be a lot of those one on one

matchups that will be interesting. Last year, whenever the Cowboys were at the Senior Bowl and they had needs of like defensive tackle and they had edge rusher, I mean, they came out with guys like Neville Gallimore and they came out with guys like Bradley and I at the same time, I see there's a lot of back end cornerback talent. There's a lot of linebacker talent. I mean, we've talked about Baron Browning out of Ohio State on this show before. Jabril cox On from Lash Charles Nowden

for Virginia. These are all guys that I think at least that linebacker you could compare that to the corner class as well, that could potentially show out at the Senior Bowl and catch the eyes of maybe some of these Dallas Cowboys. Scout Katie, do you think there's a specific position in which the Cowboys will go out and

maybe take one of these guys from Mobile. I mean, look, yeah, we know they need defense, right you know, for me, like when I'm when I think about the Senior Bowl, it does help, you know, it does help to go along and supplement you know, the tape that you've watched, and I always have a hard time grouping the wide receivers, like ranking the wide receivers, and it's always a little helpful, you know, to see these guys in one on one situations and things like that, just in terms of stacking

your players at wide receivers sometimes because there's just so much chaos at wide receiver all the time. We know this team needs defense. Looking there's a there's a lot of um there's a lot of options that they're gonna have with four picks in the top one oh five, And I look at you, Dan, kind of Mitchell the defensive tackles, I have to spend a lot of time there. Um, you know, guys like well I will mention one day, you know, like Marvin Wilson, a guy who's tape I

loved last year. His tape from this year is you know, a little shaky. What's he gonna look like at the Senior Bowl? Um, you know, that's something I'm really looking forward to. Carlos Basham, as Dane mentioned. I mean, that's a guy who are we talking? Is that a first round tap guy or is he a guy who maybe slides and maybe he's there for you at pick forty four. I mean, he's a guy who I'm kind of keeping

an eye on. But you know, I think when you look at the linebacker position, you know, I like the names that they're going with that linebacker. I'm a big believer that you can find linebackers who can immediately step in and play for you in the third round, in the fourth round, and I think we'll see what they do with Jalen. I like the idea of moving late Vader esh to middle linebacker and leaving him there if you want to do that, and going to find a

little faster. You know, I want to get the two hundred and twenty five, two hundred and thirty pound linebacker. The guys you can run. What Didjabrol Cox look like? You know, I didn't love his tape at LSU, But I know what he can do, and I know what kind of player he is, and I know he can run with crossing routes, and I know he can cover a little bit and things like that. Maybe that fits this scheme very well. Um So, I mean for me there, they're focused will be on defense. It has to be.

It's it's it's where they are as a as a program right now. They have to so that's what's gonna be about for me. But it's always I let Dane mentioned the fun stuff is the one on ones. Let's not let's not lie to ourselves here. The fun stuff is the one on ones. It's the big Daddy's getting after it, and it's the wide receivers and cornerbacks and things like that. That's all great, And there's a couple

of other things. I just wanted to jump in because I had a thought because Katie, you're talking about linebacker, and depending on what this team does roster wise, if J Smith is your middle linebacker, you guys, tell me, because I finally am caught up on all the top linebackers. You're okay with a two hundred and fifteen pound linebacker these days? Because I am you okay if I tell you that coma. Yes, Notre Dame Coromoa is an absolute monster. I love him as a linebacker. Some people might think

he's a box safety. Whatever. He's just a hell of a football player that can cover, that can run, that can tackle, He can do everything. You guys, okay, now, captain trade down would be the perfect way to do this. But maybe he does go in the top ten to twelve, or maybe you can get him at fifteen to twenty. But you guys cool with rocking with that. No, I do think that if you want him, you gotta take

him a ten. He's he has rare explosiveness for a two hundred and fifteen pounder, and those guys just don't last, you know. I think we're past the point where teams are going to be like always just a guy without a position. I mean, he can do so much. He was a perfect fit for that rover position that Notre Dame used where he's a linebacker on some plays, he's a safety on others, he's a nickel on others. I mean,

he can do so much for you. Now he's he's so explosive, and because of that, he will fall step quite a bit, He'll be caught out a position. But you live with that, you live with the inconsistent tape because of the flexibility he gives you the playmaking range. You know, he's he's that high ceiling chess piece defender. So if you want him, you gotta take him at ten. And I think he was like fourteen or fifteen on my board, which you know, but I would have no

problem taking him at number ten. I think he's that good of a player. He's my linebacker one one. Hey, look at that. Agree. Okay, back to back to Senior Bowl stuff. Sorry for diverting it because the other thing that I think is worth talking about, and I'll just probably allupe this to Dane because again, best in the business. Why wouldn't you. One of the things that happens at the Senior Bowl every year is we get all these

guys at Ali Marpett. We get all these guys that are from these tiny schools where they have bounce out us is in the end zone when you watch him on tape and you're like, oh, congratulations, you're out here pancaking two hundred and seventeen pound nose tackle. Way to

kill it, buddy. But you get to the Senior Bowl and suddenly the degree of difficulty changes, and when those guys continue to show out, Suddenly a guy who might have been a fourth or fifth, all of a sudden, it's holy cow, look at that went in the second round. You can make a ton of money. Is a small school guy at the Senior Bowl. So who are some of those guys that can make a bunch of money here? I think there are two that immediately come to mind.

Two offensive linemen. Spencer Brown at Northern Iowa. This guy's huge, six eight, he's a tight end, defensive lineman and eight man football in high school. Goes to Northern Iowa. They bulk him up. He moves really well, very physical demeanor. It just is he powerful enough. What he does during the week in mobile will help us kind of determine where Spencer Brown belongs. And then Grambling State David Moore.

He's under six foot one, so he's not going to UH you know, the maybe on paper doesn't look that great, but he's got almost thirty four inch arms. The athleticism is really good. He carries his three hundred and twenty pounds very well, flexible hips, does great in the open field, so he can pull, he can move. It's just how does he catch up to the speed of the NFL game. That's something that you want to see him against better competition. So seeing David Moore in one on ones during practice

will help give scouts a better idea of that. Is he a fifth rounder or a third rounder. That's something that the Senior Bowl will tell us And just kind of piggybacking on that, just the overarching thought from the Senior Bowl how important it is this year with no Senior Bowl, with not knowing what's the rest of the draft process combo for us? Oh sorry, yeah, no combine. You know, everything's gonna be virtual, you know, the one on one the FaceTime, now, the actual FaceTime, not the

you know Apple software. Uh, you know, having that actual one on one FaceTime in person is so valuable. And the guys at the Senior Bowl are going to have that opportunity where all these juniors, the seniors that didn't make the cut for the Senior Bowl, or maybe the seniors that had an invite but decided not to accept. They're not going to get that. And at the end of the day, you never know. That could be the difference between this year, especially when we don't have a combine.

That could be the difference between where are these guys stack up on team's draft boards. That's kind of where I'm looking at for guys on the defensive line, and of course the Cowboys took a defensive tackle for the Senior Bowl last year at Neville, gaalbum warm, But I also like Washington's Levi. Okay, Dan, you're gonna have to help me with this one. This one of the ones I haven't found a pronunciation for. You own Zurika owns Zerik. I like him a lot on tape, but it's twenty

nineteen tape and he opted out. But now he gets a chance to go to the Senior Bowl. And we kind of mentioned him in passing on Tuesday, But what do you think about what he could bring to the table. And then also Marvin Wilson out of Florida, Stay Malik carrying out of Georgia. There's a really good defensive linemen in this class, especially in the interior. I also like

some of the edge rushers as well. Yeah, I think we beat up this defensive tackle class maybe a little bit too much because we didn't have that top guy. Uh you know, maybe Christian Barmore ends up going top twenty. But you know, overall, it's not the strongest defensive tackle class in terms of first round players. But there's some quality guys on Day two, and I think owns aweek

An Zerique he's right there. I mean, by the time it's all said and done, if he plays up to his ability at the Senior Bowl, I think he could push for first round status because he's so violent, he's so quick. You know, he played nose tackle and Washington's three four, so you know, he was constantly lined up over the center, face up face a lot of doubles. You know, the stat sheet doesn't look great, but when you watch the film, you just see a guy that

doesn't quit. I mean, he just he fires off the snap consistently, make makes plays away from h you know, his because he's so rangy as a player. I mean just calling him active just doesn't do him justice. But that is also kind of where his weaknesses are because he plays so hard that he'll play he'll play tall pad level. He plays a little scattered that it allows

him to be redirected by blockers. But if you're looking for a guy who's a twitchy, big man, he's got the violent hands, plays quick owns Erique, He's that prototypical kind of three technique and I think that could be he. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we're talking after the Senior Bowl we're talking about owns Urique as one of those risers. I like it a lot. And by

the way, I was just looking up Spencer Brown. I haven't watched him on tape at all, But if you're at the Senior Bowl and you're in Mobile, you're not gonna miss this guy because he's gonna be wearing one of the Grambling State helmet And two he's six foot nine twenty pounds, or at least that's what they have him listed at. I don't know if you can give or take a couple inches there, but I mean that's

a massive human being as an offensive tackle. But yeah, plenty of prospects to look at on the Senior Bowl side of things. When we come back, I promise we'll get to Twitter on the twenty borrowing any more technical difficulties, We'll try and get that all figured out, but we'll continue on on the other side of the break. Here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, we're back in a tasty treat that's sweeping air waves and taste buds. It's new Doctor Pepper and Cream Soda. Let's take a listen,

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we're getting into the later parts, of the show. Kyle Yeoman's Jeff Kavan on Kevin Turner, and since we're running out of time, we're gonna get the intro and go right into its. Question comes from I don't even know how to say this name Paper Money Museum is what the That's what it says on Twitter, but it says great shows, keep up the great work Twitter. On the twenty would you trade Amari Cooper? And I'm gonna throw Michael Gallup in here as well, just for the funzies

of it. But Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup for a late first round, early second round and maybe try and draft a quality defensive tackle or free safety. We talked a lot about those two positions today. He says it opens up the options to draft Kyle Pitts at ten or even another wide receiver early and save the cap space for guys that are coming up on big contracts. Jeff, what do you say? I think we've gone way too far with the Amari Cooper thing. It's weird how his

career path has kind of swung back and forth. Like when they first traded for him. I was like, well, we got to keep in mind that Oakland did let Amari Cooper go for a reason, right, So like that happened. But after last year and watching the year that he just had with the offensive line and the rotation of quarterbacks, Amari Cooper is really important to this team. And I just hope people realize that Amari Cooper's your real life number one receiver. If Amari Cooper wasn't on this team,

Michael Gallup's life gets really, really hard. Michael Gallup's not the player that you're seeing him be if Amari Cooper is not on this team. So look, in a world where somebody's going to give you a one or an early two for Michael Gallup when he's got one year left on his deal, sure you do that, But Mariy Cooper, I would stop thinking about trying to trade him. He's incredibly important to your team. It's criminal that he was not second team wide receiver and Cole Beasley was well,

Colbasley was the starting slot on Peter King's ball Pro team. Well, Mark Cooper plays some slots sometimes. Us here's the path, quite frankly, here's the path to getting Kyle Pitts. If you want him, you take him at ten. Like that's the path, right, there, No, we have to maneuver for everyone else. You're gonna have Cooper, Gallop and Ceee Lamb with Kyl Pits. That's your team if you do it. But I you know, I'm not saying it's what I would do. Um, but I'm telling you that's what that's

what you do. You just sit there, you take him at ten. You have to worry about trading to anybody. And I understand the question what loaded up at defense tackle later the Jeff, you're keeping your guys, you're adding kal Pits to that mix. Yeah, well, I think what Jeff said. If you have someone calls and offers you in early two for Gallup, yeah you do that. I mean that, that's pretty Yeah, that's pretty easy. Nobody's gonna do that. They would rather just pick Rashad Bateman or whatever.

They're gonna pick up four year cheap player at the top of two and they're not trading for Gallup. Yeah, exactly. That that's it's unrealistic to think that you can probably get that for him. Uh you know, not that Gallup's not a good player, it's just when you factor in the depth of this wide receiver class, and in fact, he has one year left on his rookie deal. That that's that those are, that's the context of the situation. So yeah, I just you know, you're not going to

give away Gallup. I mean, he's gonna be on this team next year. It might be his last year in Dallas. And you know, I don't think you can completely rule out Kyle Pitts at ten, but yeah, it's still probably a long shot. So I completely agree with all of you. Don't trade Amari Cooper. I don't know what you would even be able to get for Michael Gallup. The teams are aware that he's on the final year of his

deal as well. I mean, they're not just going to give up premium draft picks in order to get to that point. But I wanted to throw that in there because I wouldn't have even remotely thought about the Amari Cooper trade. Gallup would be the only one. But it depends on what you just at just quickly, Kyle, could I throw this in here, like in a real crazy world, because Pitts, you wouldn't have to make any moves because he would be playing tight end, like he would line

up wide some or whatever. But you know, if you had an absurd scenario where the Cowboys drafted Jamaar Chase or Davante Smith or Jalen Waddle at number ten even though you already have your three wide receivers and you wanted to trade Gallup. To me, the scenario is you're finding teams that are like you. You're looking around for a team that has a safety or a DTEC or a whatever that's on the last year of his deal that's not going to sign him, and you're trading player

for player with Gallup. You're not doing the draft pick thing. Yeah, no, I would agree with that completely. But moving on with an X question, Randall Walker comes out and he says, I feel like Joseph Osai out of Texas is not being talked about enough as a top talent anyway that he falls to the second round Dallas pick or would they have to move back up to get him. Dame Brugler oh side is really interesting because he's not like, uh, he's not an explosive player like that. He wins more

with motor than he does explosion. And that's okay. I mean this is this is a guy who his foot is always on the gas. Uh, that first step quickness and his ability to just never quit. That leads to production that that's that's great. You want a guy with that play personality. Uh, he might be the most impressive pursuit player that I've scattered up to this point. Um, I do think I didn't love him as much as maybe I thought just watching him, you know, seeing Texas

play this year on TV. But I studied the tape. Lacks a lot of variety and how he attacks the pocket. Um, you know, he just needs to learn how to harness all that energy to be more efficient eliminate those wasted steps. Us. He's a little bit inconsistent as a low run defender, so I like Osai a lot. I think he's in a late one, early two conversation, So I don't think he lasts as far as what forty where they're picking forty four, I don't. I don't think he lasts quite

that far. But I do think he's probably closer to forty four than ten. I have written down on my notes recognition skills need improvement, because there are just some times where he's falling for fakes and things like that. And another thing I would say hurt his left shoulder in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. So we're gonna just keep an eye on that old shoulder from Joseph Asi hard guy. I mean, the effort is incredible when you watch it, but I have my questions about him being

a you know, top forty pick even so. I mean I like the tape. I enjoy the player. It's just you know, maybe maybe he falls to you at forty four. He's an option. I need to know more about this shoulder though. That's concerning to me. Now that's a good point because I think whenever you look at Texas tape, he sticks out. I mean, he's the guy that's making plays defensively, and he's the guy who, like you said,

it's the hustle, it's the motor, it's the leadership. You see all of that whenever he was playing on that Longhorn defense. And I think that's something that you got to put in there, is that injury history and then also the fact that there are some inconsistencies with this tape, but it's something that might potentially be coached out in the future. Okay, Daniel Roberts asked, because he asked this on Twitter a couple of times the other day. As well, but he said, I feel like they jumped the gun

on the NFL combine. He thinks that the combine would be a perfect section situation for a bubble, kind of like the NBA. He wanted a combine bubble. And he's asking, how can they do the Senior Bowl in no combine? So kind of shifting this question around Dane, why would the NFL prioritize not having the combine and in order to keep these players in these coaches safe. Well, we're talking about a lot fewer players at at the Senior Bowl, like a third fewer, so right there, that's we're talking

about a lot of guys. Also, you know, like NFL teams, I think they're only allocated maybe ten per per team in terms of scouting personnel. So I mean, this year's Senior Bowl is not going to be like just any old Senior Bowl. It's gonna be very very different how they're doing it, and we're talking about a lot less people than the combine. The combine is. You know, when you when you include all the NFL personnel, you include all the players, you include all the media that goes

to the combine you're talking about. I don't know twenty five hundred three thousand people alone, just just just that those groups. So it's just the sheer numbers are tough. Um. Now, I'm surprised they didn't figure it out. I thought they would would have been able to figure out a bubble. But you know, you also have to have Indianapolis play ball. M It's not just the NFL wants it to happen.

It'll happen. You have to have you know, the stadium, the convention Center, all these different moving parts be on board. And so it's just became too much, and they decided for this year. And I don't think the Combine's going away full time because there's there's so much that it's the second biggest event on the entire NFL calendar. So I don't think it's going away for good. There's too much that happens there. It's just it's it's just a

bummer that we won't have it this year. This will be my first time since gosh, I don't know, oh eight that I won't be at the Combine. So it's just not having that February trip to Indianapolis is going to be weird. It's gonna be really weird. I think overall. I mean even last year the combine kind of felt like the last big event prior to COVID really taking over. I remember sitting in the hotel room looking at a TV screen talking about coronavirus. I was like, what is that?

I mean, that was that was crazy? What the kind of timing that went down with it? Now, this one's for Kat and this is from Red on Twitter. He say, can we get a breakdown on a Lee McNeil defensive tackle from INCA State? He said, Hayes disappointed that he didn't come up in the defensive conversation on Tuesday. Jeff, did you say you hated him? Oh? No, I said, Dane hates him. He did my top one hundred him his DT eight. I've got him as DT like three or four. Wow, he is my as I pull up

my thing, here went two three four yeah, DT four. Uh. I think he's awesome. And if he if he truly played at three thirty five last year, no one, no one moved like three thirty five. You would think this guy's a lumbering guy. This guy's explosive. Um, you know, played nos primarily at NC State. But the getoff is there.

The quickness for his size is there. He was double teamed all the time at NC State, but you know when he didn't get the chance to rush the password is a one on one situation, you'd see him walk through the center back. Um. You know, I think to me, he also played outside. What's interesting about him? So he ran a four two seven short shuttle in the past, which technically would be faster than both Bradley Chubb and Montes Sweat, just to get an idea of his quickness,

Like that is a dude who can move. Um. So yeah, I need to see him playing with better technique that that's a big problem with him. But the speed, the agility, and then the power that he plays with, it's all there. I really loved his tape and I've got a second round grade on him. What don't you like about him, Dane? Well, I don't. I didn't see the most rangey player. And you know part of it. They played him as a nose tackle head up over the center. Um, primarily in

that that odd front that they run. Um, he was part of a big rotation. I think that helped him stay fresh. I think I like him. I mean, I think he's he's heavy, handed Uh. He's got that thickness to him. Uh, you know, the thick thighs, the thick torso big bubble. Uh. Plays close to the ground. Uh. That allows him to help, you know, eat up blockers, win gaps. Uh. Reminded me of Javon Hargrief type, that type of defensive tackle. So no, I'm a fan, and you know, maybe I do have him a little bit

too low because I do like him. I do think he's a solid player. I just in terms of impact potential, you know, in terms of influencing the backfield and things like that. I asked him a little bit of questions there, but I do think he's a solid player. I like him up there. I have him as as DT three as well. I'm right there in that three to four range. Him and Marvin Wilson kind of go back and forth to me a little bit, but I'm interested to see

what Wilson does at the Senior Bowl. Plenty more to come here from these four guys on the Draft Show back next Thursday, ten am Central time. We will be back with these three on Tuesday. You will be with Brian brought us, Bucky Brooks, and David Helmett. But for Dame Brugler for Jeff Cavanaugh, for Kevin kat Turner, and Chris Bean Back in the studio. I'm Kyle, you have been saying so long. Thanks for joining us on this

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