Draft Show: Boom or Bust Potential

in Frisco. Glad you're with us. Kyle Yeoman's with you with an whole new crack cast of characters, and a fun one at that, And I think this is gonna be a great hour for those of you listening because we've got Brian brought us, David Hellman, and of course the great Jeff Capito. I was gonna say something about our Darius Washington there, but I decided not to because I feel like we'll probably mention him at some point throughout the show. But gentlemen, glad you're with us here

on this Tuesday. I want to give a quick shout out to Chris Beams Baylor Bears. How about that. Chris is in the back, of course, punch in the buttons as always, and the Bailor Bears are national champions. And of course Chris Beam a huge Baylor fan. There you go, there he is. And also he won our Dallas Cowboys media bracket too because he picked the Baylor Bears. So double cut. Congratulations for Chris Beam. But it's almost draft time.

We're getting close as the twenty nine is on the way, and Brian, I mean this is right around the time we talked about it last week with smoke screens. But you also start kind of hearing rumors as to who guys are liking and who is starting to kind of stick out from the pack around the NFL. Right, Yeah, you're learning which one your friends are just liars? Is

really what you're learning right now. And yeah, and this is you know, it's interesting that the way the teams are meeting and how they're getting together, and you know that's something that you know, we need to continue to monitor, you know. And they're like, I could say, there's a lot of guys out there in gals too that you could talk to. They'll say, you know, these are the these are the clumps of guys that we have. These are the areas that we have where guys are going

to be on our boards and stuff. You might not get the order from everybody, but you'll have an idea of where the different tiers are. And you know, yeah, I think it's you know, it's an exciting time too, when you could set your board and you'll have an idea. You know, we'll see what the medical information all brings. But we're going to start doing this for real here and about, you know, another three weeks or so, and

that will be an exciting time for everybody. Dave, have you heard anything from throughout the building about maybe somewhere where the Cowboys could potentially be leaning. I mean, yeah, absolutely, I have. The only question for me is what does that wind up looking like when it's all said and done. I mean, I know we're going to get into it, but just as soon as you feel like you have a grasp on everything, I mean, it shouldn't surprise anybody.

I think the Cowboys are really setting their sights on defensive players. If you didn't know that already, just consider all the stops we've seen Dan Quinn making at Pro Days over the last two weeks. Yeah, but you know, like I said, Jess, when you think you've got your hands are out Carolina trades for a quarterback and now you kind of got to shuffle what you might think the order is. And at the very least, at least the Cowboys are picking tenth, so there's only so much

that can happen in front of them. But you know, in light of that news, it definitely makes you wonder if the defender that you covet is still going to be sitting there like we maybe thought last week. Well, let's talk about that a little bit, because I do want to talk about how that kind of shakes things

up when it comes to the draft order. And of course Carolina the draft order itself is not switching, but it could take a team that was potentially going to take a quarterback in the top ten and pluck them right out of the quarterback sweepstakes. Jeff, do you agree with that? And do you think Sam Darnold is enough to maybe eliminate Carolina as one of those quarterbacks seeking teams or is this going to be a team that

still might look for that quarterback of the future. I mean, my best guess, and what I think is going to happen with Carolina is that they are they're picking up the fifth year option, at least reportedly on Sam Darnold. So they're locking in for two years of Sam Darnold after they locked in for multiple years of Teddy Bridgewater, and they're going to pull the rip cord on that. So Mike gut is that despite the fact that they should be interested in quarterback, that they're not going to

be interested in quarterback in the top eight picks. So I think Carolina is now going to come into play for guys like Kyle Pitts, the receivers, Pinney Sewell, Rashawn Slater, maybe one of the corners, you name it. And Carolina is now a team that you thought was going to help drive non quarterbacks down to you, and now they're

going to take one from in front of you. Now, I don't think they should because I don't think that a guy, regardless of how bad his circumstances were in the league, don't think a guy that's been the worst starting quarterback in the league for three years should be considered the savior of your franchise. But just based on picking up that fifth year option, they're gonna be tied to him for two years monetarily. I think they're rolling with Sam Darnold, So they're they're gonna steal one of

your players. Yeah, I think that if you go back, you know, Joe Brady being the offensive coordinator, he's been able to work magic with quarterbacks. He's a young offensive coordinator. He was on the National Championship staff at LSU with you know, with what they were able to do with Joe Burrows. So you know, maybe this is what exactly

what Sam Darnold I've guys, I've got. Carolina is one of those teams you know, you've get a new general manager there the situation they're in, there's I think there's three teams in front of you that are going to potentially can move. Atlanta is a team that I think can move. I think Carolina now can move, and I do think that Denver Broncos could move. And I think

all those picks will be for sale. But you know that that's that's the danger that you know, you're so locked into looking at defensive players, and I think you have to keep an open mind if you're the Cowboys right now, because the guy that you absolutely cove it could be gone at either one of those picks that I just talked about. Somebody could go up and make an offer to Carolina gets some You know, that's a team that needs players. You know, Denver needs players, Atlanta

needs players. You know, new general managers want to make a splash. You know, those the guys you have to worry about. And those are the three teams I would surely if I was sitting in the Cowboys war room right now, those are the teams that I would be worried about potentially trading away in one of my picks, going away or even I mean, I don't think it's a stretch to say that that could happen, even if they don't trade. I mean the you know, Jeff just

kind of outlined it, and you did too. The Panthers could probably use a little bit of everything. I know that. You know they franchise tagged one of their tackles, but a guy like that falls in your lap, absolutely worth it. Cornerback is one of their big tree pre draft needs. Will have kind of been ignoring it because of the

quarterback need. But if they're not going to do that all of a sudden, you know, eight is definitely a spot where I think you could take the best cornerback in this class, and then you know, we don't have to do Kyle Pitts, but I think Carolina would probably love to have Kyle Pitts. I think Atlanta would probably love to have Kyle Pits. So it's definitely you know, I feel like we do this every year. No matter where the Cowboys pick, you're always paranoid that you're going

to be wiped out. But for some reason, this trade makes me think it's at least feasible because it is one less team that's looking at a quarterback, and that's what you want. I mean, if I could wave a magic wand I would wish for five quarterbacks to go off the board in the top ten because that's definitely helping the Cowboys, and it doesn't seem as likely today

as it did before the trade yesterday. Now, we were originally going to do this in the last segment, but I kind of want to flip flop things on the rundown for you guys. But you mentioned nightmare scenario there, Dave, and I kind of want to Brian sent a text message in our group and it's one through nine the picks in order this would be the nightmare scenario. Then where would you go at ten if you were the

Dallas Cowboys. I'm gonna read these off in order. The first three are really kind of what we've expected, at least the first two. Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson of course, Clemson BYU quarterbacks. Matt Jones is the third pick. Then we're gonna put in slate in. Justin Fields is the fourth pick to Atlanta. Fifth is Pina Soul, offensive tackle out of Oregon. Rashawn Slater goes six to Miami out of Northwestern. Patrick Curtan goes to the Lions at seven, which is a bit of a surprise, but the draft

is full of them. Then you've got Trey Lance, or excuse me, Trey Lance was not drafted at eight. Instead it was Kyle Pitts, tight end Florida drafted at a JC Horn drafted nine. So Lawrence, Wilson, Jones, Pitts, Seuls, Slater, Curtan, Pits or excuse me, Pitts whatever throwing fields up there as well. Lance is still on the board. And then you've got Horn there as well. I know I butchered that because I'm reading it straight off of this page.

But out of those players that's still available, where would you go, Brian, if you're the Dallas Cowboys at that point. Yeah, I think that you're kind of in a tough situation there because then you're two likely two best corners are off the board with Certan and then Horn as well. You know me personally, I feel like that they would probably go you know, all those wide receivers are available. I just don't know if it would go that route again, you know, And and it would be very very inviting

if you said, okay, we'll take the best player. You know, Chase might have the highest grade on your board at that point in time, and you know, when you got Wattle and Smith and others, you know, I wonder, I wonder if they would take a linebacker there. This is this is the scenario. I think you have to think that you would worry about them saying, Okay, we're gonna take Parsons here and we're just gonna move on and you know, and we'll address and see what happens in

the second round. But I would be really worried if you're a Cowboy fan, that they won't take the best player in that situation, which last year they did it with absolute brilliance. David, I was gonna let Jeff go because I can tell how strongly he feels about this. Look at look at that fan. Yeah, it's gross, it's gross. It's gross. Uh And yeah, I mean if you're talking about, hey, what do you think the team would do in that

nightmare scenario? I think the first thing you're doing is you're saying, who wants trade lace and you're trying to get out of there, because yeah, you're trying. You're trying to like captain trade down ride here. If you've got one of those quarterbacks available, that would be the goal. Um. But if you've got to sit there and pick a player, then I want to pick the best player available. The Cowboy should pick Jamar Chase in that scenario, and then

you figure it out what would they do. I think Michael Parsons comes into play, and then I think you'd have to look at the edge rushers. I think you'd have to talk about Jalen Phillips, A ziz Asularry Quitty pay. But I don't think you would be stuck. I think if you really had like Trey Lance available in Jamar Chase available, that somebody would come up and save you so you didn't have to pick somebody right there. But like I would rather pick Greg Newsom than Michael Parsons.

I would rather pick I would rather pick Jamar Chase, Jalen Waddle, Davante Smith than Michael Parsons. I'd rather pick Jeremiah Wusu Coromoa. Like there's there's just I don't want Michael Parsons at ten. Why. I feel like, if you're if you're just trying to guess what they would do, I could see it. I could see that being the pick, if that was your board. Why don't you want Michael

Parsons so strongly? That's my my question. I don't want him either, but I want to hear your explanation on why Michael Parsons would be a pin throw moment if he were selected at ten, because I just I think at linebacker for this team, especially just a pure real life linebacker who at this point in his life, Michael Parsons is a better run player and pass rusher than he is as a coverage guy. Coverage is so important at linebacker in today's NFL. That's why I like Jeremiah

Wooso Coromoa more than I like Michael Parsons. I like the guy that is, and I don't know if the Cowboys would know how to use this. But I think what is incredibly valuable for defenses these days is offenses want to play matchup football. They want to find ways to expose the personnel that you have on the field with a guy that they feel like as a mismatch.

I want guys that you can't find that with. I don't want an off ball linebacker who's inexperienced, slash raw, slash uncertain in coverage in the top ten an NFL draft. I would rather have a guy who has safety linebacker versatility that I know can cover your tight end, maybe even your slot receiver. Your running backs are going to

be easy to cover. I would just I think that part of football has become so important that the more interchangeable pieces you have that you can't take advantage of me through matchups, that that's what I would rather have, and just linebacker in the top ten in general, if Parsons was an incredible cover guy, an incredible diagnosur of plays, then I go, Okay, all right, he's now, he's Kyle

pitts Now, he's unique. That's just not Michael Parsons to me. Yeah, I think Jeff just took all the words right out of my mouth. And well, from what I gather, like the thing that makes Micah Parsons appealing is that you can send him after the quarterback. What I mean, isn't that something Jayalen Smith actually does well? Like, if you're gonna give Jalen Smith credit for something, it's that he could probably fill that role. So it feels kind of

redundant to me. And you know, I don't trust either one of them to be great cover players, which is what this team needs. So yeah, I mean, I absolutely like Jay Okay more in that instance, and it would absolutely be a reach. But if you told me I couldn't trade out of that pick, and like it's I mean, I get, I get Jeff's logic, like draft Jamar Chase, draft Jalen Wattle, and I mean, what does figure it

out look like? I get? I mean, do you trade Michael Gallup for pennies on the dollar, because I don't think you would get a great price for him if you drafted Jamar Chase first, I think you traded player for player that would be my figured out. My figured out would be Michael Gallop. I'm not trading for a draft pick because I agree I think you lose on

that deal. I think you're just you start looking around the league and you say, hey, Will McClay hey, pro personnel guys tell me about teams with depth charts at safety, corner, defensive tackle that they're in a Michael Gallup spot where it's like, oh, crap, we get this extra guy. We're not gonna be able to pay him. He's gonna be playing out his last year here, excuse me, And you find a player for player match to try to help

your defensive side of the ball. Since I just took a massive jury pick in the top ten, Well, yeah, you also have to look at a situation too. Their

linebacking situation is not great. And you know, if you if you draft Parsons, I would say you might not pick up the fifth year option on on Layton vandersh you know, and you need to figure out some things there that the linebackers the last couple of years have been banged up, haven't played very well normally in I guess in a normal situation, we'd all be excited about

having Parsons. But then again, all the things that you guys talked about, some of the limitations he has, I mean this guy is a good looking athlete, I mean a big, good looking athlete. And that's the problem that scouts have is they see that out there running around and they're thinking like, Okay, well he can he can help us this way, or he can help us that way. You know that that's the problem with the Cowboys, that

their linebacking situation, you know, isn't really good enough. And I think that's why you would even consider Parsons as be because of the problems that they have there. Yeah, but don't we all think you could reasonably address that issue on day two? Like there's I think could be

available on day two. Oh no, I'm just I'm just I'm just telling I'm just telling you though, where where they're what they're thinking about, They're they're thinking, yeah, sure, there's also offensive tackles in the second round that you could take. There's also quarters you can take in the second round. They're also wide receivers. You know, that's why you talk about chase and call up. I really wonder with all those wide receivers on the board, is somebody

really going to call you a chase? You know, they're like, hell, they're looking at Dallas, Like Dallas ain't taking a wide receiver. Well, I'm like, you know why, I'm gonna call them? Nah? You know, I mean to me, the quarterback makes sense. That one does make sense for me. But but but I don't know, with all those wide receivers on the board, I don't know if your phone wire ring because you know we've seen this before, or you know, you take

these receivers really high. You know, the bus factor has been pretty good. You just kind of work your way down the board. It's all of a sudden what happened last year? We had all those receivers shoved up to the top of that board. I think the first would win at twelve and it was a pretty damn good class or receivers too. Would I would like, I would play Devil's advocate and I think I agree with you. But the best receiver the draft would it's seventeen last year. No,

I'm well aware. But again, like Brian, you know better than anybody, teams fall in love with their guy and they make sure you want it. And so like you and me can sit here and say, oh you got Smith, you got Waddle, you got Chase, But the New England Patriots might be sitting there saying we only want Chase. He's the only one that we want. And you got to keep in mind too, that the two teams that pick after the Cowboys would probably love to add a

skill player, the Giants and Eagles both. I wouldn't be surprised if either of those teams picked a wide receiver. So maybe somebody would come up to get their guy, knowing that Dallas might be their last chance before they went off the board. I don't think it's likely, but I don't know it's worth bringing Miami. Did that like

Miami's showing us that right. Yeah, at least that's my assumption, is that Miami was willing to go from three to twelve because they were willing to add multiple draft picks, multiple ones. But then when they were sitting at twelve, I believe that Chris Greer went right. But now I can't get my receiver. I have to go back up. So they're going back up to get their receiver. I think for the right player, and I think for a lot of teams, Jamar Chase will be the right player somebody.

If he starts making it to even ten, then yeah, I think teams are gonna start going Holy cow. We thought this guy's gonna be gone at five or six? Can we now go get this player? And you know you can't plan that. You can absolutely trade down, but by god, it's always fun. Well, think list of what you're saying, Jeff, and and you're talking about you're talking

about you. What's the order of your receiver? You don't even have chases the first your first receiver, right, I got Chase and Waddle very very very close and then DeVante. See that's what I'm saying. But the Dolphins don't. The Dolphins are going to get some if they want to get somebody. What if the Dolphins take Pits, that might be who they get. They went to get somebody. Yeah, they went to get somebody. Yeah that's but but but

it's not a receiver. It's very tight ends wild. Well no, but it's even it's even more wild that people are willing to go up for a tight end versus a wide receiver when you talk about how much money those premier positions make and how few tight ends in the NFL make a ton of money. Col Pits gonna be a top five or so paid tight end from the moment he steps on the field, he better stood. He might be the best He might be the best receiver in the draft when you look at it overall. Yeah,

that's why people are gonna go get him. Yeah, yeah, somebody would. Somebody would go after Jamar Chase. It's easy, all right, It's it's easy for you to say that, and you will always be captain trade down. I get it. But going back to the hypothetical, if you are in this scenario and you can't get out, you cannot trade just out of curiosity, would you rather take a chance on one of those edge rushers at ten or just grab Christian Barmore and get the best defensive tackle in

the class? Like which one of those is more appealing to you, one of the one of the edge rushers. But I wouldn't do either of those. I would take Jamar Chase. That are, well, you're don't do your jeff thing like you. My insistence is upon taking I'm in the top ten. I'm not picking my seventeenth best player or my twentieth okay, best player because of the position they play. Level with me, Level with me. Do you think the Cowboys would actually do that? Because I don't.

I don't think so. You never you never answer the question. I know, okay, So if I'm guessing for the Cowboys, then I think that their list would be something along the lines of Mica par Persons, who do you guess would be their favorite? Edge? Would Phillips injury scare them maybe for sure? And Parsons and look, but the Cowboys they need to know, they need to know that that would be a giant mistake. Stop reaching down your board. You're in the top ten, pick the well sixth best

player on your board. The hope is that what they showed you last year that they would do the same thing. I think it's a little different. Picking at ten is over to seventeen. I do. I know it's seven spots, but you know, when you see a player slide, that's you know you have in the top six or five whatever, You know that that that's I wonder if there's going to be a player that slides to them all the way at ten? You know, I wonder if it's gonna be Chase. I wonder if that's going to be the case.

But me personally, I want to believe they're going to do the right thing again. But why do I feel like that they're gonna take you know they're gonna take Parsons. I'll why in that scenario. I believe they're gonna take Parsons. In that scenario, I believe they are. I will tell you why. And they deserve all the credit in the world for pulling the trigger on Lamb. But the thing that gets lost is that wide receiver was a need.

They didn't have a slot receiver. They were faced with the prospect of starting Cedric Wilson in the slot if they didn't draft a receiver last year, and that made it way easier. I would have to see them draft a receiver to this team to believe it. I just don't. I do not think they think that way. And that's why I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, you're probably talking about Parsons or yeah, Azizo JULARI. I could get on board

with that, and honestly, y'all can hate me all you want. Like, if they drafted Barmore in that scenario, I would say, whatever, you got a good player. You got a good player who fits an immediate need. I can't. I'll tell you what. Let me me personally, I think Parsons is a better player than Barmore. That's just me. Yeah, I would, I would. I I don't. I don't see Parsons. I don't have Parsons. And I say, I don't have Barmore in the first round. I don't. Okay, yeah, oh see, I like him. I

like him a lot. Wait, I mean I don't love that. It's good, I know. I hope you're right. I hope you're right. You know, I'll be happy to tip my hat to anybody. He's not in the line of what we've seen from Alabama defensive tackles in the past, just not and I and and and I was trying. I mean I sat there and tried and tried and tried, and watching games and watching somebody watching Georgia line and watching all these guys, and I'm going, Okay, he's gonna

make a play here sometime, you know. But he's not in the mode of the guys we've seen in the past from Alabama. I would rather go to offensive tackle three and four before going to Barmore. I would rather take Christian Derrisau or Tevin Jass. Okay, there you go, there you go. Wowee. You talk to people, you talk to people in that building, they will tell you that Derrishaw from Virginia Tech is a real left tackle where where some of the guys, some of the thoughts have been,

what about you know with the Northwestern kid, was Slater? Hey, that might be they're telling that's Zack Martin, but if you kick him outside, you might not have the same player. So there's some questions. And I don't know if it's about arm lenked and all that stuff. I mean, you know, that could make that could be maddening. But the one guy that I've heard over there is that Derek Shot

from Virginia Tech. That's a guy that that might be that if if you got completely wiped out and you wanted to take a tackle, that's somebody that they believe as a real left tackle. I don't know if I wouldn't hate that. I don't think I would necessarily hate

that either. And it's kind of the same thought process of whenever you talked about Rashaan Slater or even if somehow Penny Soul ends up falling, it's that same thought process of pick the best player that's on your board, and that somehow aligns with a need to kind of like how the Cowboys did last year at seventeen and Cede lamb. We're gonna go ahead and take our first break though, and when we come back, we're gonna hit some twitter on the twenty. Should the Cowboys go for

a position under that corner at ten? And then how much would it cost for them to get back in the back half of the first round and maybe try and hit a corner. If they don't go corner at ten, we'll hit that next when we come back. You're on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Sometimes nothing beats the classic Miller Light The original light beer proved with great taste and only ninety six calories available for delivery.

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your timing. I think that was about as smooth as could be. If you're at home, there's no way you would have at any point thought that Jeff was in the middle of the hallway with his phone like ten seconds ago. But that's exactly what the case was. Magic of television and he made it work that time. So Jeff, just for that, we're gonna ask you this fresh question. Yeah, yeah, first question, idea, how long the break was either just assume I'd be fine. Oh it was. It was perfect,

It was impeccable all right. Time now for some twitter on the twe on the twenty first question comes from James, and I'm asking James question because he's been very adamant about us answering more questions. He has sent multiple tweets at least saying please answer more questions, but we're gonna answer his Kyle, Okay, sorry, Should the Cowboys go for a position other than cornerback at end? And what would it cost to move back up into the first round

to potentially target a quarterback? He said, who you think they would get but I think if you're gonna try and go back up, it might be to get a guy at cornerback, but you could throw any position in there. Jeff, what do you think on that one? I think if you're going non cornerback, it would be for one of two reasons, either Certan and Horn are gone or they're both there. But you also had a slider like Pina

Soil or Kyle Pitts. So in his scenario, I'll say we've taken either Pina Soil or Kyle Pitts, and then we looked at each other and like, guys, what are we doing at corner? And then you package maybe Brian can run numbers on this twenty seventy five, let's go to twin will be in the twenties somewhere. Wow. And then and then in my dream world, that gets me Greg Newsome. But with Caleb Farley's backfasectomies, I think Newsom probably becomes the third corner off the board, and I

don't know if he makes the twenties. So it might be a waiting game where you're just seeing what happens at corner and figuring out when it's time to move, depending on who you like, like a Sante, Samuel Junior, Kelvin, Joseph Melafon Wu. When does Farley come into play? Elijah Molden blah blah blah blah blah. There's a million of them. But yeah, you can move back up, and I think that becomes more likely if you take an offensive player

at ten. Yeah, I agree. I think you know, again, you get to figure out somebody, will somebody let you back in for forty four and seventy five. That's what you got, you know, that's that's your offer. Maybe we've talked about the situation with Gallup as well. You could use him as a players, a throw in to kind of thing to maybe get somebody interested in it. But yeah, you know, to me, if you're gonna go back in, I'm gonna I'm gonna see what the medical is on Farley.

I'm gonna see if taken him, say at twenty four or twenty five, that might be just okay for me to do. I mean, but then again, if I'm not going to take him at ten, why would they take him fifteen picks later? Yeah, but I'm still going to investigate that. I'm gonna look at the like Jeff's talking about the Newsoms, the Melofon Woos, those types of guys. There's a lot of quarters. Even if you sat there

to forty four. I think you could find you a cornerback in this draft, though, But if you want to be aggressive, go ahead and try and make it work, Dave, I think that's no, that's that's incredibly thorough. I honestly, I don't have anything to add to that other than I mean, y'all know me. I don't love moving around, and I know we spent the first twenty minutes doing

doomsday stuff. But when you're picking, you're picking tenth, I just sort of believe that it's going to work out, especially with the depth the depth of this quarterback class, you know, like during the break, ESPN is reporting that Atlanta is trying to shop the number four pick, Like, I still think you're either going to have a quarterback

sitting there. You know, when you pick tenth, you're either going to have a quarterback sitting there that you can use to trade, or so many quarterbacks are gonna have gotten drafted that a player you love is going to be sitting there. I don't know if I'm just being overly optimistic, but I really think that's got a high

likelihood have happened. No, Like Dave, I think, honestly, out of the name's Pinnay Soul, and I'm gonna make sure here, but I think we would all be comfortable if the Cowboys pick was Pinnay Soul or Rashaun Slater or file Pits or Patrick's or Tan yep or yes, And I think at least one and up to three of those are gonna be available because I think you're gonna see

Jamar Chasco, You're gonna see at least four quarterbacks. Go Like, I think that this thing is going to fall where you're going to be happy with what you've got at ten, and I think it's gonna happen again at forty four. I understand if you wanted to target a certain player in the twenties and you wanted to move up, but I really think that and maybe this happens every year, but I love what the draft looks like from twenty five to seventy five. Yeah, I don't want to give

up multiple picks in that range. I'm trying to add more of those picks if there's any way possible. Yep. I was putting together a top fifty one for the website for one oh five three, and I had a harder time putting together the players from twenty one on down than I did putting the players from the top of the round. So yeah, that just told you a little bit more thought about. Wow, I like this guy

a little bit better than this guy. This guy, So yeah, I agree with Jeff on that sit there at forty four if you want to, and you'll probably grab a pretty good player. And everybody may not know all these names, but at forty four, I mean, I think you're gonna have guys in consideration where I've got seven second round corners, Aaron Robinson, Eric Stokes, Elijah Molden. Are those guys at

forty four? Jabril Cox and Baron Browning at linebacker, Elim McNeil at defensive tackle, Carlos Basham the edge, Joseph Osi, Peyton Turner, Alex Leatherwood at left tackle. If you don't know these names, just look them all up. But like these are guys that those are NFL starters. Man, there's gonna be an offensive lineman, there's gonna be a corner, there's gonna be Richie Grant. There's gonna be a safety, and there's gonna be an edge player. There's gonna be

dudes there that you're gonna love. Every single year that I've done this, we get off the air on Thursday night and there's like six guys sitting there that we've spent the whole spring talking about as possible first round picks, and but the Cowboys aren't usually picking this high. Yeah, sure, it's exciting to think that, you know, some of those guys will be there for him. Well, it happened last

year with Trayvon Diggs. I mean, that was a guy we thought would go in the back half of the first round, and then not only did he fall, he fell to the Cowboys at fifty one, and it was something that was just kind of unforeseen and something that happened that was very exciting. But kind of along these same lines, Sebastian asked our next question. He said, what players outside of quarterback have the greatest boom or bus

potential in this draft? And I think a lot of those names that could line up with this question are right in that twenty five to seventy five range that Brian you were just talking about. Yeah, you know what. I am not the you know, And I heard Jeff mentioned he was talking about the linebackers and stuff like that. I do worry about a bust with Cox from LSU, and I know that's my school and all that, but

I'm not I'm not so shot on that one. And LSU has had a great history here recently and putting linebackers in the draft and it working out for him. But I do worry about him a little bit more. I'll tell you another one I have a high grade on, and I worry about Kelvi Joseph from Kentucky, you know. I mean I've got him in the mix with Newsome and Samuel Molden, those guys in the second round, but there might be some guys, you know, Melofon, Woo, Graham Stokes.

I mean, there's some maybe some other guys that might be better. I know I have him in that second round, but I would worry a little bit about him. Maybe I'm a little bit of a bus factor there as well. So there's a couple of defensive guys. I have some

concerns about going into this thing. I feel like I have in the right spot, but I do have a little bit of apprehension about him well, And I want to mention the boom part of this too, because I feel like everybody that's listening is going to hear us pooh pooh the Michael Parsons idea. Michael Parsons could be an eight time All Pro in a Hall of Famer. Very sure. That's the physical tools here. Like I think Parsons is boom er bust. I think they're Kelvin Joseph

is a great name for boom er bust. I think the safety in Indiana, Jamar Johnson is a great name for boom or bust. I think if you could get him at seventy five, that's a real life free safety that just has no idea how toling works. But if you want a free safety that can cover and can turn the ball over, I think Jamar Johnson is a boomer bust guy. Gosh, there are just there's there's really

a lot. I'm trying to think Nick Bolton, that's my dream at forty four yea as a Missouri linebacker Nick Bolton. But you are talking about five to eleven four sixth athlete. The shuttles weren't very good, So like you're talking about a guy that I absolutely love on tape that the testing was not great, So I think maybe there's some Boomer Bust there, But I'm more focused on the boom where I think he could be an outstanding NFL linebacker that may tumble his way into the mid second round

because he's quote small and didn't test great. Yeah you could also throw in Grant as well. I know we've all talked about the safety you know there, but yeah, man, that's one of those ones looks really great on tape and you look at the testing numbers, probably not as great as they needed to be, but don't I mean,

that's one of those kinds. If you get a guy like that, he could come in play a long time where it's like, okay, wait, some of the things are starting to show up that, you know, the testing numbers wise, that that make him, you know, make him have that kind of a career. I feel bad. Oh sorry, Jeff, go ahead, but I was just going to throw on a couple of quick names real quick. The defensive tackle class I think has a lot of Boomer bust in it owns Rique at Washington. I think that's big time

Boomer bust. I think he's being talked about his potential first round pick, and it's off of physical tools. I don't. To me, it's not off of tape Marvin Wilson, who has two years as what a eighteen and nineteen year old of dominating college football, and then tape this last year where a lot of times they're running a three man line and it's a different spot and he looks like he's bigger and maybe not as explosive. Marvin Wilson I think might be the best defensive tackle in this

draft class. Wow. And and maybe what happened to him in his third year in college football is that it was too easy to him and he didn't work hard enough. I don't know. I'm totally speculating. So maybe he's a complete bust. Maybe he's the best D tackle in the class. Christian Barmore D tackle yea, Alabama didn't play him on rundowns. They were acting like he's some dominant one technique. They wouldn't let him play football until it was done to

rush the passer. So I think a lot of the D tackle class, my top three D tackles, I think they're all Boomer bust. That's I mean that goes in hand with what I was gonna say, which is I feel a little bit bad. It's just the nature of edge rushers is that they play such an important position that they get overdrafted. There's not a single guy that

I would be shocked, you know. I mean, Quitty pay always comes to mind, just because his production last year wasn't amazing, but you know, he'll probably be a top twenty at least the top twenty five pick, but probably even higher because of the position that he plays. And I think there's a lot of those guys. Joseph Acai, I think he's really intriguing, but I don't trust that

that's going to translate. And that State guy, yeah away away, Yeah, like maybe maybe the most talented, like Purelyalenton, of all of them are certainly in the conversation with like none of the production to go along with it, but absolutely could be a first round pick on potential alone. So that's edge rushers scared the bejesus out of me. And that is unless it's unless it's a can't miss guy

like a Chase Young. It scares the crap out of me, which I know, take my gut, Peyton Turner, take my gut, Peyton Turner. I mean, if you say, though, but it's a good player, it's scared. We're not betting on whipping around the corner and translating to the just athleticism. We're gonna get the guy who uses length and those he still went and can play multiple spots. Let's go. That's

why I would I would take Boogie Basham before. I took a lot of these guys like just because so and the trying kid from Washington's another good one to watch too. So there's some guys that are really steady players, and I think there's gonna be some huge value in like you say that second third round, there's some of these guys, but you know, you just got to try and hope that you get the right one. That's always the trick here with the drive. I've got a third

round boomer Bus guy that I really like. I got to actually call a game of his previously, and I think he's a fantastic player. Edge rusher Jordan Smith from u AB is somebody I think you should keep your eye on for a player that could potentially boom or bust. That it's more likely that he's a bust coming out of conference Tosa, but still something that you should keep your eye on. Now, Dave, I've got fifth round grade on him here. Fifth round grade, Okay, so I was

like late fourth. I think he's where I'm at. But he's still somebody who I really do like in that that area. Dave, this is a really quick question for you, and this comes from b Human. He says, is Quitty pay really on the Cowboys radar at this point? Of course, Michigan not, I mean, not that I'm aware of at ten. But again, like you know, and that's that's the scary part. And the people that I've talked to, like I mean, it's it's beyond obvious that they want a cornerback, like

anybody can figure that out. I think they're more interested in linebacker than the three or the four of us would probably prefer them to be. I haven't heard a lot of noise about edge rushers, but again, the position is so valuable and the upside is so high. I don't think you can rule anything out, but at ten, I haven't heard a lot about that. I would the linebacker thing, Dave that you're mentioned, I actually want them

to be interested in linebackers. I just don't want them to do it at ten because oh no, that's but that's what I mean. I mean at ted. Yeah, no, they absolutely should be interested in linebacker. But I think we would all agree not at number ten because if the Cowboys are a smart organization, and then I'm just gonna say things they're not gonna do, which is just gonna be very offensive. But like Layton Vanderis, I you can't stay on the field. I can't pay you ten

million dollars for your fifth year. I gotta turn down your fifth year option. And when Jalen Smith's contract in the way he's played recently, I went out of it as soon as possible. If I'm the Cowboys, I'm in the market to replace both with my linebackers within the next twelve months. Good. Yeah, it's totally possible. I think that I think Quitty Pay, and for all the faults that we might see in Quitty Pay, I think what happens with him is because he's Michigan, he's defensive end,

and we think of Taco. That's I think that's in a lot of people's minds. But you know, look at the kid Gary that went to the Packers and from Michigan. He's playing a lota to a defensive end. I just think, I just think that people in their mind are thinking Edge Rush or Michigan Taco, which I unfortunate, I hope not, because they couldn't be more dissimilar. Like Quitty Pay is a freak, actually, no question. I'm just telling you what

people associate Michigan and defensive end with. Honestly, I think you're probably right. People do that a lot. I mean, people still talk trash about LSU dbs because of Mo claiborne, So I get I get it, But I mean I wouldn't want them to pick Quitty Pay at ten, but I'd probably be more excited about it. And I know that. You know, I have to wear the blame because I defended the taco pick more than most, but I would probably be more excited because we said all along, we

were like tacos. Ceiling isn't as high as other guys, but his floor could be higher as well, Like I think Quddy Pay is pure ceiling. So it might be a disaster, but if it works, it could work out really really well. I actually don't mind Pay as a floor guy because I think that the freak athleticism that you're banking on is what can he turn into as a pass rusher. But I think as a run player,

he's already good. Like he's high effort, he's strong, he's just the thing that he's missing is he hasn't developed the pass rush yet and he doesn't have what the NFL is so enamored with in terms of, hey, where's your thirty five inch arm? But like, I think that dude is physical, tough, high motor. I think he'll be a good run player no matter what. And then it's can we unlock this athleticism and turn you into a

great pass rusher? So I don't mind his floor. I just think ten is like Dave, you talked about it with all these pass rushers, all of them. The scouting report is something like that, just talking about different things that you're you feel good about and the other things where it's like can I develop it? And it's just it's such a strange class for the edge guys. But I think quitity pay when you go with the Michigan thing.

He's stronger, he's more active, he's more athletic. Yeah, range, but if you just had long arms, yeah yeah, if you do the work. If you do the work, you can see that Quitty Pay is a better player he is, and that should alleviate a lot of your stress. I would just like to think there's a more I would like to think there's a more complete, ready made guy.

And I mean I'm not trying to dog Quinny Pay too much, but that's more of like, oh man, I hope he's really good as opposed like hopefully at number ten, there should be a guy that I feel more confident about. That's all. So would be that guy for me? Yeah, rapid fire. Last question. I want to get this in because I think it's a great one. Uh fill in this sentence. If the Cowboys do not draft blank position in the first three rounds of this draft, it would

be a mistake. Brian, start us off. Which position would be a mistake if you don't hit it at least once in this draft in the first three rounds. I think cornerback is it. I mean the corners are really you know, the corners, the wide receivers. I think you've got to find a way to get a cornerback. I want to say that the safety position could stretch a little bit at free but I think you need to draft a corner out of this thing, that the quality through the rounds is just too good to pass up.

I think that will absolutely do Man Dave. Cornerback is the answer. But since Brian already said it, and I'll actually I think this is more important to the point Death made a minute ago. Linebacker and the reason why the Cowboy the Cowboys front office they need a cornerback. I'm not one hundred. I know they're looking at him. But did they think linebacker is as drastic a need

as we do? Or are they sitting over here basically in denial about Jalen and you know, maybe thinking like, oh, you know, we can pick up Layton's option and he'll be healthy and it's not a concern and Dan Quinn's gonna get Jayalen right. Like, I could absolutely see the front office pumping some sunshine and ignoring linebacker, and I think that would be a huge mistake. I will say safety,

because you're Kurt starting free safety. His guaranteed money is one tenth of what haha Clinton Dix was guaranteed, and he's coming off of a torn achilles. So I think you need to draft a guy you think can play free safety in the first three rounds. I like, so basically the whole defense. Yeah, I was about to say, the whole You can throw defensive tackle. You can throw defensive tackle in there too, if you want to throw an engine there. Yeah. Gosh, don't yell at me. Don't

yell at me too much. But Mike, if defensive tackle doesn't work out for him, I'm not you know what, It's not the end of the world. That's basically how I feel like. I'm like, it's not great, but it's not the end of the world. Don't yell at me. We're trying to hold back right now. When we come back here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show, have we talked enough about maybe putting JC Horne above Patrick's or Tan on the draft board. Have we had

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Brian brought us, David Hellman, Jeff kavanaughm Kyle Yeomans. You can join us again Thursday, ten am Central Time. It'll be Bucky Brooks, Kevin, Katie Turner, Dane Brugler, the arrest of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show crew, but Brian, you brought up this thought in our in our group message leading into today's show, and David I actually kind

of had this conversation briefly yesterday in studio. But are we really putting enough stock in JC Horne as a potential number one corner in this draft class, maybe even above Patrick Curtan or are we crazy even thinking that's anywhere close to being the case. No, I actually have on my board and I'll put it out here on our website on one oh five three that I work with, I'll put it out and show you that I have Jac Horne above Certana and it's no disrespect to Certan

at all. And you know, if the Cowboys take him, I mean that's that's fine. I have no problem with that. I just think that to me, in this day and age the National Football League, you've got to have guys at battle. You gotta have guys that are tough. You gotta have guys at corner to play with a chip on their shoulder. And I and I think that to me, you look at Horn, he's a guy that's like that. His dad was that type of a player. With the Saints.

You always played with a chip. I think the kid has that same type of ability physically, He's what you wanted a cornerback, Sir Tamble. It's good too. I just feel like with Horn though, I want that competitive, tough edge, and I think that he brings that and that's why I have him above certain Dave. I have him. Oh good. Sorry, So I never know who's gonna go, but it's no

part of me wonders. Part of me wonders if maybe this is just boredom because Certan has been the top cornerback since October probably maybe even longer than that, so maybe people are just looking for reasons to switch it up. But with that in mind, I have, you know, talked to people I know who do this for a living, and I'm like, am I stupid for thinking this? And They're like, I'm not gonna say definitively one way or the other, but you're definitely not crazy, and they're definitely

gonna be teams that agree with that. Like I guarantee you there are teams that think Horn is the top corner and I want to be careful because, like I've never met Patrick Surtan, he started multiple years at the best program in the country, Like you don't pull that

off without having some alpha mentality to you. But I'm with Brian, like J. C. Horne seems like he's got the type of you know, alpha pain in the ass, chip on the shoulder attitude where he could come in here as a rookie and be like, no, like we're changing the culture in here, like you know, we're we're

not getting toasted the way we have. Like he almost like like a Richard Sherman type of mentality where he's gonna make the play and then trash talk his own teammate for throwing the paths, you know, and that's really really intriguing when you remember how pitiful this defense looked at times last year. So I don't think you can go wrong either way, but I think it is a very worthwhile conversation that JC Horn might be the better player. Horn my number one cornerback too. I have him above

cur Tan. But I also think that for NFL teams, a lot of what this is, especially early in the draft, is risk management, and with cur Tan, you're you have less risk. Like cir Tan is an outstanding tackler. He like there's nothing on a football field that he doesn't do well, and with JC Horne, He's a wild tackler who just kind of ducks his head and lunges. He had five penalties in the games they played last year.

He's grabby. So like, there are more things that I think the team is going to look at and see risk with, but I also look at the positives of Horn, which is when South Carolina they get off the plane or the bus or whatever, they say, well, who's the best guy. Horn's got him, And it doesn't matter if it's a tight end, the slot receiver, the outside, it doesn't matter. He's going where that guy is and that guy's gonna hate him for the entire football game. So

Horn's my number one guy. But I think that we do we do have to ignowit knowledge that going that route and saying that Horne is your top corner is saying I know the risks of JC Horn, and I accept it because I'm betting on the mentality, with the athleticism, with the ball skills and the versatility that he's gonna go cover the best guy. He's not just playing corner. He's gonna come find you and you're not going to enjoy that day. That's what's kind of interru Horn Fan

Club Basic. I was about to say that what's intriguing to me because I feel like we've talked about this from the beginning of Patrick Urtan being that number one guy, and then out of all of a sudden, we're three weeks from the draft and now J. C. Horne is the number one option at corner. Is it should we

be scared? Well? No, But I mean there's people like myself that had Farley over both those guys, true, you know, and and and so I don't think that's your Tan has always been the number one guy, I know before the back problems, and talk is some teams around the league they absolutely love Farley, you know, and we're willing to say, yeah, he is the top guy. But with the back thing, you can't have him as your top guy unless some teams are totally saying, oh, it's not

going to be a problem. But yeah, I mean Curtan is what you know about Curtan and Dave and Jeff did a great job. What you know about Curtan is he went to one of the best programs in the country. He's playing huge games, He's been a starter for a lot of years. He's got coached by Nick Saban Hard the Saban coaches those the secondary in Alabama. You know his technique is going to be good. You know, his ability to make plays off man, whatever he has to do.

And you're right, it's about avoiding. It's about it's about the risk. You know, what is your risk? What are you willing to tolerate? You want somebody safe and steady, or do you want a guy that's going to be combative and not down balls and get balls and get turnovers and stuff. That's where you But he might be wheels off too. He might get oldiepenally late in the game. That's gonna kill you. That's where you have to be

able to evaluate these guys right now. And you know, I think if the Cowboys had an opportunity to draft between Curtan and Horn, I think they would take Certain. I really really do. I was about to say the same thing and I and it's not a knock on anybody. I do think. I do think some of it is boredom on a lot of levels, like boredom from just talking about Certain and boredom because Curtan is so safe

like that, like everybody. You know his technique, he's he's sound, he's not flashy, and you know, when you're talking about a top ten pick, like as mean as it sounds to say, that's that's not super exciting, So people look for a more exciting alternative. And I completely agree with Brian. I love jac Horn. I like, you know, I be the Cowboys pick and a perfect world for all the reasons he just listed. Hey, guys, I think there's a chance Greg Newsom ends up being the best corner in

this class. Oh you can't just throw that out there two minutes from the end of the show and not give any experts. I throw it out there. I mean, that's that's Jeff's thing is to find a guy who's like in the conversation but not really and be like, no, he's way but apparently, can I ask you what you can Ik, Kelvin Joseph gets along with everybody, then there's a chance Kelvin Joseph ends up being the best corner

in this drafts. Yeah, I mean, as you though about Newsom though, did you you see how much off coverage and stuff that he plays at Northwestern? Do you really see his ability as a player. Yeah, they play a ton of very deep cover three which keeps everything in front of him, right, Yeah, so you can't complete deep balls on him, but it's part of the scheme. But I think his athletic testing is what really helped him for me, because never you couldn't really know because of

what they were asking him to do. But I think you take the instincts, the ball skills, what was on tape, and then you say, oh, and perhaps he is an elite athlete and you go, Wow, Okay, that dude's gonna be really really good. Interesting. I don't disagree with you. It's I mean, it goes back to the conversation we had in the first segment where I think a better

player will be available at ten. That's the beauty and the curse of number ten is it's like how far down you know, how far down on your board do you want to go? Preferably not at all. That's a beauty of the trade down. You trade down, you might still you go down on the board about Yeah, but we've talked about this before in our show too. Jeff is like, how many teams behind you have? Cornerback is

a primary or a secondary? Need? You know? I think there were like I bet six corners go in the first I bet five or six corners go in the first round. Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem, right there, is somebody gonna let you get back in the draft, and or let you get back in, and is somebody gonna let you come down knowing that you're hunting a corner at that spot, you know that where they're hunting

a corner too. That's the that's the pitfall a little bit, or the things the navigation of the minefield that you have to go through in this draft fifty. Going back to the doomsday scenario, I'm with Jeff that I'm not convinced it's doomsday, not because of Jamar Chase, but like, yeah, like if if Trey Lance or even Mac Jones slides to ten New England, or how about Chicago at twenty, somebody shoot Ryan Pace is like a thumbnail away from

getting fired. You think he's not going to try to do something bold to get a quarterback last time, but no, Oh, well, appreciate this. I hope you read it on Dallas Cowboys dot com. I encourage you. Great website for our mailbag today is somebody was asking about trading back and I said, if Chicago wants to give you next year's one to come up from twenty. I'm doing that all day because there will be good players sitting there at twenty. Absolutely,

yeah I would. I would do that as well. But I'm also really surprised on the horn over, sir Tan. But I do have to add this in right before we have to get off the air. But our guy Kyle Pitts, whenever he was asked, who was your toughest matchup during your time in college? Do you know if he played both Patrick Sutan and jac Horne? And he said, mister j Yeah he did, because he was annoyed. You can see it on tape. He hated J. C. Horne. He was like, the son of a biscuit is grabbing

me every play. You guys aren't calling it. He's annoying. I hate him, Like it was on tap. You can see it. He hated it. Yeah he did, and he was very open about that, saying then Jac Horne was the toughest matchup that Kyle Pitts had the entirety of his collegiate career. But that's going to do it for us here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Be sure to keep up with these guys throughout the week. They have great content on Twitter and on of course

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