Draft Show: Big Questions Before The Combine

days until the draft. It'll be here before you know it, so we are happy that you're here. Brian brought us along with Dane Brugler from CBS Sports. Joined also here by a young lady that is really really locked in to what's going on college football. And I'm always glad to have Taylor Stern with a stain because she is a go to person when it comes to college football and there's there's questions about these players coaches. I mean, she's had a lot of interaction with guys on the

national football It's gonna be the national championship scene. Orange Bowls, Rose Bowls, Young Lade. Yeah, she's made a lot of connections throughout the throughout her brief career, but they've all been great connections. Taylor Stern, welcome to the Draft show. Thank you, thank you. You know, Dave just quit on you as usual. Well Mardi Gras took over. Yeah, that matters more to me. I'm all about let's find the next stacks Anthony Brown exactly. But he just doesn't care.

He does not care. So yeah, nice too. Nice to have you along, Taylor, really and appreciate that. Okay, today we're going to get into a little bit about the combine it is. We will have shows from Indianapolis starting next Tuesday. There'll be shows likely at the end of the day. We've got a lot of things that we have to do and interviews, watching workouts, things like that, and we will have our hour long shows from Indianapolis for you, kind of a recap of what's going on

each day. Those will go from Tuesday through Saturday. We'll have a special weekend show for you on Saturday and tie everything up in Indianapolis. But I do want to get into a little bit about the combine and Dane, you know, expectations at the combine. You know, expectations of players, of coaches, of scouts, of fans. What are you looking forward to most about this combine? They're all different. You know.

I've been going to combine since nineteen ninety two and every one of them has always been different from me. Expectations of what you're looking forward to at the combine. You've got me beating. I think this is my eighth combine. So I'm an old man. Yeah, a little bit more on me. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're right because it's

an individual basis type of thing. Because for one player, his three cone drill might be the most important thing that I'm looking forward to, but for another it's the medicals. Another it might be the interviews, and so another it might be hand size. It's just it's it's wide range. It depends on the player we're talking about in terms

of what's most important for him. So I'm working on my preview right now that's gonna be up on CBS Sports, and I'm breaking down sixty players and what's different about each one of them that scouts need to find out, you know, for sixty players, right, So I just pointed out sixty a player like Ryan Ramchick, the talented Wisconsin offensive tackles, the top offensive tackle in this group. I think's the top twenty pick. Recently a hip surgery. How

does that play into his evaluation? A player like Corey Davis from Western Michigan, the wide receiver will be there, but he will not be working out because of an ankles cleery. Right, they call it a minor. He should be ready at some point over the summer. But again, this is a player from the MAC who we won't get to have verified times on right before the draft,

and a player that might be the top receiver taken. So, whether it's the medicals, whether it's the interview process, there's a lot that we need to learn and figure out when we're in Indianapolis. Taylor, I'm gonna turn to you

on something here, he said, the interview process. Your area of expertise in where Dallas Cowboys dot Com is the social media side of it, that you know, all the things that you do, the presentations, the relationships you've built with the players, the trust that you've built with these players. Talk about though, what the avenue know. I'm going to interview kids and I used to not be able to

know anything really about these kids. But now all of a sudden, I can get on social media platforms and learn a little bit more about them, maybe ask them some questions about behavioral practices, things they believe, things they don't believe, outspoken, not out outspoken, talk about though you know, you know, and I know you've had interaction with people about the social media side and how you use it to evaluate players. Talk about what I expect going in

with these interview process from that side of it. Absolutely, and I think since Laramie Tunsil, there's been a lot of focus on social media and what happened with him in the draft. Obviously that didn't happen until the draft weekend, but prior to that, I mean, you know that there are people in these scouting departments that are specifically looking

at guys social media. Not only their social media, but their dads, their moms, their sisters, their brothers, the friends they hang out with, the girlfriends, the fiance's wives, anyone that is personally close to these players. Their social media is under speculation because it's a very important part. A social media profile can tell you so much about a person. It's kind of creepy. We all know that, sure, but

you can get some questions. Hey, I saw that you said you were here, but on your girl friend's Twitter, she posted a picture of a date night somewhere else, right, you know, So you can catch these people in either lies or see really positive things about them. Hey, you know your mom posted this about you. We didn't know that that you, you know, did all these things, or

you had a learning disability or something like that. And so I think that social media is becoming an avenue for scouts to learn a different side of them, because Okay, when you're in those interview process, it's very nerve wrecking, absolutely, and you're probably I'm just this nervous interview and the kid is as if they are I really am exactly, So who knows how they're you know, showing themselves. Perception is reality, so obviously they want it to be the

best it is. Well, Hey, I just went to your dad's social profile and he's talking smack about the Falcons, you know, and he posted this tweet. We also saw what happened to Dak and draft weekend last year where he gets drafted by the Cowboys. A simple Twitter search of at Dak at Dallas cow Boys and you see him talking badly about Tony Romo. Right, So these players really, you know, besides getting their physical in check, they need

to get their social in check. Go back, see what you posted, Miles Garrett, the video that came out exactly. Know who you're talking to, Know who you're sharing things with.

People are also taking photos of you wherever you are, right, and they're uploading those two Snapchat Twitter things like that don't be in any questionable circumstances where hey, you know nobody's posting it that you know about social media, right, Joe Fan over there just took a picture of you here, and now I'm in a post that Hey, I'm Miles Garrett. I went out to Northgate and you know this is a week before the draft, right, got and put myself

in a bad situation actually exactly. So I'm curious to see how much of that is going to play into it, And especially like guys like Jalen Smith, who last year you know you're talking about medicals, didn't really participate. Did all that very impressive in his press conference. I remember you saying that, right, And now he's really used social media to also be a benefit. Yeah, this is new to us. Isn't it. It's totally new to us. It's something that we've had a great job of explaining that.

So that's why you need somebody like Taylor Stern on your staff to kind of get you through. I'm an old I'm an old scout, you know the whole thing these you know, things that have happened with the mixings and stuff like that. I mean, I need to be educated on this stuff. And now this is really a huge part of what these teams spending millions of dollars on these players. It might be a social post, it

takes somebody off a board. What Taylor says something that was I think key in perception is reality and that is so true right with a lot of these players and for a lot of fans in the outside world. Social media is what creates the narrative. It's that perception, and so yeah, it's such a big part from a scouting perspective. You know, we can talk about the on field and you know what we look for on tape and all that, but off the field is just as important,

you know that, right, and information is power. The more yeah, absolutely, better decision you can make, the better understanding you have of the player's mental makeup, who he is as a person, his character, how he treats others. All that goes into the overall grade. You'll have your on field grade, but then you have the off field grade, a character grade, and that's important. Oh yeah, it affects the overall grade. Absolutely. Yeah. And we saw what happened last year with Eli Apple

and his mom getting pretty active on Twitter. I mean now she has pretty much a Twitter personality, she's verified, she's been on ESPN do some different things. We've seen Zeke's mom too a lot of times. You know, they may have their perception so cleaned up and it looks great. Well, I just went to their girlfriend's page and she's talking about how, you know, he had the worst workout. Yeah, you know, now she has to go take him out,

you know, or something like that. So you can find these things, like you're saying, information that I think could be critical in figuring out I'm seeing people gone through these guys. I mean, Zach Banner's one that I remember someone went through and was like, girlfriend seems a little too close. Let's watch this because these guys are twenty twenty one years old, twenty two. Yeah, very impressionable, right, and you know, it's important to know everyone who is

around them. And like you said, you're about to spend a million dollars. That's spend a lot of money. It's funny how you know, in the early to mid nineties, how different the NFL would have been if social media existed at that time. You're a player like Brett Farv Oh, yes, you know he liked to go out and oh no, we we there's things that we had to actually hide, right. Yeah. So, I mean it's just amazing how different things are now compared to you know, twenty years ago. It's just how

things have changed and everyone out's changed with it. Yeah, it's all part of it. Okay, I'm gonna go. Yeah, it's something that and and we'll get into the combat because we're going to do all that. Taylor and I were talking though. She had something that was really, I think, kind of neat, and she was asking me about these players and she wants to do something though that she kind of kind of an idea about is this guy

a safe pick or a risky pick? Yes, and I just gotta got one guy, yeah, I want to kind of she had a list of guys that she wanted to go through, and I'm like, Okay, we'll shoot this and we're gonna do something. The way the show is gonna roll today is we're gonna do this, and we're gonna do Twitter on the twenty, and then we're gonna do Taylor's got another another thing called Taylor's Takes, and

she's got some more pressure games on games. Tage's coming with some some information heat today, so we're gonna let her be a part of that. So and we can also we take calls eight eight, eight, eight, five five two two nine seven. We might get to that at the end of the show, but go ahead, Taylor, and let's let's hit some of these safe pick or risky pick. Yeah, Dane, I'll start with you. Safe pick or risk pick with

Jonathan Allen, defensive tackle from Alabama. I think he's as safe as you can get from a tape perspective, from a character perspective, he has a few shoulder things going on, So as long as that that's dead, be my only hesitation there. As long as the shoulders check out, he is an extremely safe pick player. They went back for a senior year to get better, I mean Nick Saban will rave about his intelligence, about the person that he is. Um, he didn't have the best upbringing, but he has powered

through adversity. So I think Jonathan Allen is a very good example of the type of player you want on your team. So the film and everything other than the injuries check out though, for being there, for being the safe pick. Yeah, and especially that high right, he's a very clean player on the field. I mean, versatility, power, strength, quitting it, it has it everything. He'd be taken over Garrett. Could he be taken over high? I don't, I don't.

We're talking maybe a top three picks, I don't. Yeah, I've seen him, Yeah, you ever seen him at one? I don't, don't. I don't know. You never know. I mean maybe if you're not in love with Garrett, maybe, But Garrett to me is just he's the best player. But and I mean, I guess if you're saying that, I wonder how many you know, different traits we could see. I mean that last year it was the Browns and

then it was the Ramps. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think there's three defensive I mean, with Jonathan Allen, Miles Garrett and Solomon Thomas. I think all three of those guys are top five that those types of players. Brian think Miles Garret is just a little bit better than the

other two. Okay, Brent Molly Cooker from Ohio State, Right, Yeah, you know what, I think that's interesting about Mollie Cooker depending on what you really there's tape that you can watch about him where he really doesn't tackle great And now does Adams fit over him? You know the LSU safety and so I'm kind of in my mind I'm thinking like probably a top to probably a top twelve player, But does the tape is free safety scare you a

little bit? It's being that safe player. I mean, when you make that kind of investment for a safety, are you really getting the best player? I think with him, I have him over Adams myself. So, but man, that tackling part. If I'm a team, I'm maybe thinking about how consistent is he really? Is that the safest route to go when you're talking about a safety. Yeah, and that's fair. I think a big thing with Hooker is his issues are more angles, more just I discipline, understanding

where he needs to be, not effort. I think the efforts. He's a tough guy. He technique though, Right, it's not like he avoids content, which is a good step if you're, you know, not gonna be the best downhill tackler. At least show me effort and hustle. And that's there. So I think he'll get better. Remember a redshirt sophomore, Yeah, first year as a starter. The ball production with seven picks this year is just outstanding. So I'm with you. I give him a little bit of an edge over

Adams because he impacts the back half of the field more. Right, But your your point is well made about the run defense. Obviously, the best name in the draft Taco Charlton Dane safe or risk, that's a good one. Um. She I told you she's bringing fastballs today. And it's not because his name is Taco. But I always say with Taco Charlton that, um, he has all the angry, just lack season, and that's that's Taco Charlton. Uh a late bloomer, a guy who

didn't really start until a senior year. You see the physical traits, I mean they're they're there. He's a big, strong guy. Yeah, he can bend off the edge a little bit. Um, I think he's going to get better. Is he safe or risk? I would lean more towards safe, but I don't feel great about it. I don't feel as safe about him as maybe I do some of these other players. And I've said this before. He reminds me a lot of Justin Tuck when he was having

got a Notre Dame. And there was a reason Justin Tuck was a third round pick, not a first round pick. And so I think with Taco Charlton, you're not drafting him for you who he is now. You're drafting him for who you think he'll be two three years from now, and so with that projection, there's always a little bit

of risk. Absolutely. Sidney Jones from Washington bran cornerback, Yeah, I know already kind of yeah, Grant, I think that to me, I think I have other corners better, you know, when I like White from LSU, Moreau from from UCLA, Tabor, of course, I mean Tabor's gonna be a guy you're gonna have to talk about. I think city Jones. I like the length, I like the reach. I don't always like the ability though of him, the way he runs. I think that some people, to me, could take advantage

of him on some vertical stuff. When you get him near the ball, he tends to make some plays. I just worry about him having to get in the right scheme fit. You know, I like him playing up, I really really do. But I worry about some of the movement stuff sometimes with him. Yeah, it ruins me a lot of Joe Hayden, where you know he a great player though, I mean, well, yeah, he can get beat

a little. I mean he will have moments where you know, you kind of wonder, but I think overall, pretty good player. I think, yeah, great, Yeah, well yeah he used to be. Yeah, I think he's more of a risk, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. If you're I mean I had I had like four s corners. I had him, and I think if you're looking for a corner, it has to be if you get If he gets in the wrong fit scheme fit, there could be some problems

there with him. Right, I think playing up is better than playing back for him because this isn't done in a vacuum. Right, we're comparing him to other corners in this draft, right that you might feel more comfortable with. So, yeah, I'm with you, But your point about him making plays high school wide receiver. When the ball is in his area, he does make plays, and I think that's a plus to me. He's a top five corner. You know, I still think he'll go that high somewhere in the first round.

But yeah, he's not a perfect prospect. That that's that's that's true. All right. You talked about Sydney being a wide receiver. But let's talk about another one. Mike Williams from Clemson. I think he's safe, I really do. I don't think he's gonna have the best forty yard dash. I'm hoping at the combine he runs old miss guys scary from last year a little bit after all that, How do you mean you can't ignore that? You know?

You know, I know that's what now makes me think, yeah, right, I mean, is he gonna run close to a four to five or closer to a four to six. You know, if if Mike Williams goes out and runs a four to five eight, that's not ideal. Obviously, it's not a deal breaker because his game, his ranks are not built on speed. His strengths are at the catch point, his body control. Um, you know, the way he can create a window when there isn't one against defenders and tight coverage.

So I'd like to see him run somewhere in the low four fives hopefully. I think that would only cement his status as the top receiver this year. But if he doesn't, that does create a little bit of doubt. But I think the tape is strong enough where I feel comfortable calling him a safe pick. Cool Ryan Ramcheck. You know we've already heard Dane's take on him. Yeah, your take, Yeah, you know what, I think that To me, I think that this is a position that I'm really

really scared at. I'm scared of these offensive tackles, and I don't think I think he's more of an athlete than he is a power player, and so I worry about that a little bit. I worry about really a little bit of lack of the strength. I think he's got the initial quickness. I think he I think he's

got technique. I worry about the power though. We've seen some Wisconsin Gabe Breamy, Reamy, Yeah, Wisconsin come out kind of be somewhat of a guy that was highly touted, first rounder, first rounder and then really not play with power, really not be you know more athlete than power player. I worry he's more like him than he is really some of the Wisconsin tackles that we've seen in the past. So I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more of a risk there, and that that whole position, though,

is a position I would worry at. Okay, absolutely, Well, we also have a Garrett Bulls m that's a risk. See, yeah, you didn't even hesitate on that one. Well, and you you factor in a lot of things here in the fact that he is an older guy. He'll be a twenty five year old in an NFL rookie. Um. You know, he has a great story coming from where he did.

Uh you know, had gotten into some trouble in high school, was out of football all together, he was working on garage doors, and then he decided at some point after a church mission to turn his life around. Goes to snow College, goes to Utah. So this is a player who hasn't really been at part of a strength and conditioning program. Yeah. I think that lack of course strength really shows and the way he plays now, he's a

terrific athlete. Right. Athleticism is not an issue with Garrett Bowls, but he needs to get stronger, and you know, he's an older guy. How long is it going to take for him to get, you know, up to par with what you need him to be at to start in the NFL. This all factors into his value. I'm not so much worried about his character as maybe you would have been five years ago. He's an older guy, just got married, just had a child, so I think he

has a more mature lifestyle now. But just his inexperience athleticism is there, but I worry about the course strength, some of the technique, technique issues. It's going to take a little bit of time for him to adapt to the prolog. Yeah, I totally agree with everything he said. I just think when I watch him play, I see a narrow player and that bothers me. I mean the movement stuff the athletic could be I think is very good,

But I don't see a strong player. But you know, there's some strong there's some guys that have lacked strength that have played in this league at offensive tackle, you know. And I just but he I think he would be a risk and a lot of it has to do with the strength and I think the experience though, Yeah, I want to guide's a little bit more season. Okay, Tay, thanks so much. Absolutely, that was great though. Okay, we'll be coming back from the Draft Show, coming back from break.

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We appreciate their sponsorship Cowboys of all our shows. And uh so this is a part of the show I really liked because the fans. We liked. The interaction with the fans is a segment created by Ed K. Hill and I always appreciate it. It is Twitter on Taylor Stern your show. Yes, they have a great questions. You guys have some great listeners. Thank you. Anybody Vince wants to know who had the better film? Ruben Foster or

Jalen Smith, both outstanding linebackers at the college level. Um, you know, I don't think there's one that's clearly better than the other. But Jalen Smith gets the edge. He's an athlete, and those athletes. The way he can move, it was hard to define holes in his game. I would have picked. I'd have picked. I think you would had to have selected Jalen Smith where you took Ezekiel Elliott if he was there, if he was there, if he was healthy. So to me, and I'm a fan

of Foster. We were watching tape last night and he's just all over the field from Alabama, just everywhere, violent, violent, explosive, all those things. Ye yeah, I think to me, I would take Jalen Smith myself and and and hey, you know, we all hope that things work out for Jalen Smith and that he could be a part of this team coming up this year. Obviously, this is the only time that someone could ask this question and you guys would

have answers because you've studied so many guys. But Lavelle wants to know what late third day steals is no one talking about that really may surprise people third day steal So you gotta look at the bottom. Yeah, I gotta look at the bottom. Whoa uh, you know, I would have said Adam, my boy, our boy from Ashland at the tight end, the tight end. Yeah, I think he's you know, he's gonna be off the board in

the second day probably. I mean, he's not a secret anymore, and I think after the combine he's only going to continue to move up boards. Um. I like a few receivers. Mac Hollins from North Carolina is a player. I think people need to get learn more about him familiar. Yeah. I think he's a guy that on special teams is going to make an impact. I think he can make an impact as a deep threat. Um. Kenny Galladay from Northern Illinois, another receiver who I think can make an impact,

will be available on Day three. So I like this receiver class, not only early but I think there's some deep options as well. Where do you have some of these corners. Where do you have a guy like Elder he's a third round player. Yeah, so you think he's higher than that though, I think he's You can make an argument he's the best nickel And I would, I would, I would, I would. I would think that myself. I'll tell you what a guy. What about the Mohammed kid.

He's talented, but the off field, off the field, you know, because he missed this entire year, right, but maybe people will dock him a little bit more. Yeah, I think that's maybe that's a guy that also we're really we're kind of thinking, because he didn't play this year, that he might be a guy that all of a sudden shows up. He's in shape, know, he's got the ability, There's no question about that. I think, Okay, stick with corners.

Jeremy Coutrere Okay from Middle Tennessee a Combine snub. This is a guy who wanted to go to LSU his entire like, oh yeah, yeah, Countrine, a guy who you know, was living from place to place, didn't have the grades to get an LSU, goes to Juco tries to get an LSU again, can't get in. So he goes to Middle Tennessee and the last two years he put together some really impressive tape. Tall, long, lanky, he's quick. You worry about the strength, but his coaches go to bat

for him. They speak very highly of who he is as a person and also just as a football player, how young he is, and how good he can be down the road. So I think Jeremy Coutrere on day three, that's a cornerback you need to know about. Okay, you're talking about cornerbacks. Well, Sean Gabby, sorry if I mispronounced your name, has a question for you. Guys obviously love talking about Marinelli. He says, in Marinelli's scheme, is he looking for cornerbacks that play press offman both who fits best?

I feel like I might know the answer, but you guys take it, go ahead, shoot it at. I feel like he plays a lot of press, and he plays you know, he loves man coverage. That's how he beat a lot of those big time receivers last year. So I feel like he would lean toward a corner who has that. Yeah, Bran, what do you think? No? I don't disagree I think that, you know, he's he Tampa two scheme, like everybody talked about was suppless, yeah, which you know, but he he had to make adjustments because

he didn't have corners that could play off. And so I think it's and I don't want this to be as riding defense. I think he would like guys that could play both. That never so when he gets into that, yeah, when he gets in that, in that mode of a clog and cover where all of a sudden they're playing you know, zone and they're kind of doing that thing. I think though that you know, there's some really really good manned corners in this draft. I think there's a

lot more manned corners myself. And you know, I mentioned the guys like Tabor and White and Moreau, Jones, Tankers, Lee, Humphrey. I mean there's some guys in here that could play. Now. I don't know how much I would trust some of these guys playing off. I think guys like White, I think Moreau from UCLA, I think he could play off. Tankersley to me is not an off mess press only so you know, Humphrey Alabama a little bit, He's long drive that kind of I think that he's looking for

guys that can actually take do both. But but you're right, You're right in your assessment. You know, he likes athletic guys that are just aggressive. He does, he does, and and and that's why a guy like Anthony Brown, you know, who played as a as a boundary corner, you know, but could really run and show the ability to kick inside. So the mand ability, the stuff that he's able to play driving off the ball. You know, I think that they'll they'll continue to try and get guys like that.

This is a double question one from Nebbie and it says, are there any mid round prospects who could back up Dak Prescott next season? And then Brian kind of responded this, Brian Gainer, He said, maybe Chad Kelly or Josh Dobbs, perhaps any thoughts there. You'd like Kelly a lot. I think at some point in the draft he's worth a draft pick, you know, I think he's a lottery ticket. There's a lot of things that worry worry me about him.

Would he be the risk player? Oh yeah, oh yeah, on and off the field, Yeah, I mean off the one last chance to you. Yeah, he's a player at one scout described him to me, he has a superman complex. You know, he thinks he can do anything. You know, he has that entitled entitlement about him, and that can help you at times on the field, but also makes you worry about him off the field and also worries you on the field because he'll make some throws that

he just shouldn't make. So the arm that he was blessed with is just it's a laite Okay, he has a golden arm. He's an athlete, he can move around for his size, and he's also mentally and physically tough. So I think he takes a ton of hits. Oh yeah. And so I think those are some foundation traits you can work on build off of. But again, he's not a player I'm gonna feel comfortable taking in the first five rounds. That's someone the six or seventh round, maybe

take a shot on. Josh Dobbs another name that was mentioned. He is the guy that will receive a lot of Dak comparisons. That's all to Shawn right now. Yeah, watching yeah, but with Dobbs coming from the SEC, I don't. He's just not an accurate quarterback. He's not and I don't think that gets better. He's really smart. Uh, he's a good, good athlete for a size, But you just rarely see guys get better and turned with their accuracy, their ball placement,

their understanding of downfield coverages. I just don't see Dobbs. Dobbs isn't draftable to me. He probably will get drafted by a team, but for me, that that is a player I would not be on my board. Hey, Yeah, Trad Kelly is so interesting to me because obviously he is the nephew of Jim Kelly, right, great successful quarterback, Hall of Famer. Obviously a mental respect for him in the league, and then of course you know he's had his issues at Clemson Champs and all that in Mississippi

and going there. So it's just kind of a fascinating guy to me. One other thing about Kelly is he is a d D and that's something that UH coaches have said it might affect his ability to digest a playbook in the NFL, and just because it's so diverse and obviously you know, you have to know so many things, and so that that's just another wrinkle to who you know, his guying report and something that teams have to, you know, or they have to understand whether or not he's worth

a draft pick. Yeah, but you you you talked about though in this this fifth, sixth round six, I have a six or seventh round grade on Okay, So at that point we take that risk until the until that point, right, okay. And he's so super talented. Though. Yeah, we're all doing We've got we're doing quarterbacks on Saturday. We're we're taking my little care good Kat and Jeff and we're gonna we're gonna sit there and we're gonna hammer all the quarterbacks on Saturday. So not a great group. But there's

some talent. We'll find him. We'll find something, I know. And it's funny because you always because I think last year, you know that, it seemed like you always talk about tiers. You talk a lot about tiers, and you would talk about the top tier, the middle tier, in the bottom tier. And this year it's like there's just a few in the top tier and a lot in the middle and no consensus. How would how would Hackenburg and Cook be in this draft? Better about saying I mean people were

thinking then Taylor brought up the tears thing. How about like even Dak Prescott. Yeah, I mean would he be instead of in people's eyes, maybe a fourth round guy. Is he a second round guy? Yeah, just because of the way the class looks. We don't have Jacoby Brissetts this year, right, think that second or third round? Right? No, I think that that's a valid point. And the guy this year that's going to be interesting as Pat Mahomes,

because I've seen a lot about him. Yeah, I don't think it would be a surprise if he's snuck into the first round. I don't think he should, but he might. Um, you were on him as the and you had him in the initial top fifty. Yeah, he number fifty. He came to a number fifty. I think he's an early to mid second round guy. At that point, maybe you

take a chance. But again, he's a player that he's not gonna help you in tails seventeen, and there's a worry that he might not help you in tails and eighteen. He's just like what we said about Dak, he's a puppy. Well, no, Dak, I think we had a better understand of who he was. Oh no, I know with Mahomes, it's just all upside. Yeah, he really is a puppy. I don't think you can

blame yourself for anything that you said about Dak. You know, I've gotten really frustrated because it feels like everything I see on Twitter social media right now is DeShawn and Dak. Right, Oh, Deshaun is the next Dak Prescott. But to me, that feels really lazy to say that, because yes, you know, they have similar attributes, they're very similar style play and all that stuff. But Clemson just won a national championship. Deshaun came from Mississippi State. Obviously he excelled that program

when he was there. But you know, they are what they are, and it's so much situational success. You know, Deshaun Watson may go into Cleveland Brown's situation and you can't say, oh, he's not the next Dak because he's there. Well, Dak Prescott came into this situation where you had the best offensive line in the league. Ezekiel Elliot, Yeah, team committed to run of the football. Fit is the most important part quarterbacks. Yeah, it seriously is, because I remember

everybody every position. Yeah, absolutely, if you go to the right fit in the right situation. Now, obviously, talent will supersede that and if you're that talented, you know that'll show through no matter where you are, But you'll fit in a perfect example right here with Dak Prescott. Yeah, if he goes to another team, if the Browns draft him instead of Cody Kessler and around, you know who knows how that works out right, And so fit is paramount to the trajectory of a rookies and just a

player's eventual interf Yeah. And I remember talking to Dak at training camp and we were kind of talking about learning the playbook because he got a lot of slack as far as you know, he'd never taken under center

and you have to learn a whole new playbook. But really, most people didn't realize he didn't because of the fact that, you know, Lena Hann had worked with urban Meyer, and urban Meyer had obviously worked with Dan Mullen and so they had a lot of the similar plays that it made it a little bit easier for a rookie like Dak to come in and understand this playbook. And a lot of people didn't know that coming into the draft. Obviously Lenahan did, yep, But that I think that plays

into it too. Absolutely, Time for one more question. One more question. Who are the best strong side linebackers in this draft that fit for the Cowboys and are realistic to be in their range? Kelly Cowboy wants to know question of the day. I haven't had the question a day in a while. Thank you very much for that. Kids. Oh, Brian, what do you think it's? Sam? Is there Sam in this? Where would you play? Where would you play? Riddick? Mm?

I think he's probably best inside in a three to four, maybe probably a week and I think on the week side, how about Riley another week? Another week? What I like him better as a well? If he's in a four to three, it's tougher. Three to four. I want him getting after the quarterback right, But in a four to three, I don't know if I love that fit. Yeah, you know, I I don't know Anderson Alabama. I struggle with Anderson. He's one of those things that he is. He is

a struggle because there's a lot of talent there. I just don't know where he fits best. And the Senior Bowl didn't help me. I think the combine and watching tape in March is really going to what's going to take to figure out Ryan Anderson in terms of what's his value and what he's gonna be at the pro level. About the top of the board. About Cunningham, Vanderbilt like him quite a bit. I did see us one of my favorite guys. Oh yeah, you like him? Top five?

I do. I use one of my everybody nobody wants to Nobody wants to like this guy with me. No, I like him. You see examples of him using that length, shedding and flowing to the play. As a SAM you have to be able to take on the point of attack consistently, and I'm not sure if that's Cunningham. I don't know if he can do it consistently. I've seen him do it. I know he can because he flashes that explosive body, uses those long arms. I just don't know if he can do it consistently fair enough. I'll

tell you what, man, I love him. He's awesome. I do, and I hope that he I hope I'm actually right about somebody. Yeah, he's my guy. Cutting him as my guy. I think he's the top twenty players. So I don't hate him. I just don't love him as he's a good football player. Thanks coach, appreciate that he's a good football player. Okay, when we come back, we're gonna take a break. But when we come back, we're gonna get in.

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Last year, I really really felt like I had to fight for Ezekiel Elliott because a lot of people didn't think you could take a running back at fourth. Overall, I think it paid off for the Cowboys. But can you guys name one player that you would truly fight for in this draft? Dame, give us your guy fight for him. Somebody that like it may not be the best fit for the Cowboys. Don't care. I just want to know someone who you would fight. So if I'm

the Cowboys at twenty eight, who would I fight for? Yes, Like you are banging on the table, as Brian says, and this guy on this team, you can't believe he's still there on the board. Let's just live in a fantasyland. Who is it? I probably might go with OJ Howard. The talents, a tight end from Alabama. I don't know if he's gonna be there, but if he is, I know this team needs defense. This team needs a pass rusher,

needs a cornerback. Help. But if you can add a talent like OJ Howard who is going to help you from day one, and he's going to get better as a blocker and as a receiver. He can stretch the seam, he can do different things. Really just add another dimension to this offense. I don't think you can pass up O. J. Howard. I'd be I'd be being in a table for him. Okay, y, yeah, that is fair. And I'll tell you what. I'm gonna take another route here. I would I'm gonna fight at

twenty eight for tack McKinley. If he's there, I really am, and I know we have the shoulder and all the things. I think this is a very versatile football player. I think he could play right in, he could play left in. You could stand him up, you can put his hand down. There's a lot of different things that you can do with Tack McKinley, Lawson McKinley, those guys, I think they're

gonna be at the bottom board. But I think when it comes time to pick, when it comes time to pick, he'll be the guy that probably has the best grade of a wide receiver, of a potential corner, of a potential safety there as well. So Tack McKinley would be the guy that I would if we were if we were talking about okay, wait, we've got this corner, We got this. I'm banging the table for Tack McKinley to

be here. I just think that he can give you something as a as a big time edge rusher, versatile player, better or worse. Chance fifty fifty that he's there at twenty eight in your mind, in my mind, I'm living in fantasyland thinking that you know that, get your I think that's I think he'll go earlier. Yeah, and maybe it'll become a no brainer for somebody after they call.

But if we start, if we're up there and we'll start talking about, well, we've got this guy, and you know, the stack is maybe you've got some guys with similar grades and all that, and he's one of I'm like, guys, really, you know, let's think about this. You know all the things we talked about, you know, safe players and that and productive players. I think he's all that. If McKinley doesn't run a four or five at the combine, yeah, it might be a little disappointed. I think he might be.

I might I might be wrong about that. You're talking a lot about versatile players, which kind of plays into my next question. Yes, Solomon Thomas, obviously I love watching Stamford. Who I love watching Stamford. I'm curious though, he's a very versatile player. That's gonna be a plus for him in this draft. What's his best position? That's a great question, because that is something that I will be debated and

I don't think there will be a consensus. Yeah, you know, it depends on scheme, depends on what you want to do. He looks like an edge rusher. You know, he's six two two seventy five, right right, that's he looks like a bass end, and that's where I think he probably

will start off. But he does so. He does so many good things from the interior because his powerful hands, his quickness, I mean, he has that ability to you know, the closer he gets to the ball, oh yeah, I mean, the more explosive he gets and the more impact he makes. So I guess you know he's a bass end on early downs, you move them inside. On passing downs, I don't want to put him into one position, you know, you move them around a little bit and just let

him be explosive from different areas. If I had to put him in one spot, I might put him at three technique. I don't think you're wrong, Yeah, I mean, and I like what you said about put him close to the ball and let him go. He is an explosive player, he's strong, he's really young. Is he twenty years old? Yeah? I mean he isn't. I mean, there's so many positive things it's about him that as a player, and I would just I think it's I think three

technique is actually better than defensive end. But I wouldn't discount him playing defensive end at all in the NFL. Not bad, not bad. But you know, we talk about these drafts and how they have different depths at certain positions. Cowboys being at twenty eight, you know that kind of puts them at a disadvantage. But give me a position that you wouldn't necessarily draft early that this draft just has plenty of them, or you can see yourself getting

one later on. You probably have to go wide receiver. Yeah, I don't know. I think the options on Day two. Now, if John Ross is there at twenty eight, it's gonna make you think, all right, McKinley or Ross. Now, let's have that discussion. We just I know we talked about McKinley. I'm going with the past rusher. Yeah, me too. I mean I don't see. That's why I would jump up on the table and I like Ross, right, and it See it's tough because it's say defense. Yeah, you don't

want to window dress your board, Nope. But if you have, say you have Ross one step ahead of McKinley, m hmm on your board, I still think you go McKinley just because he's a pass rusher. Impacts the game more. Yeah, and I know what you say. You don't win to the board, but in that situation you feel a lot better about the pass rusher in the first round and a receiver in the second or third over Then then I did a poor job. Then I did a poor job of fighting for the player when we were stacking

the board. If if that happens, then I need to keep my mouth shut. Look, I mean, I get what you're saying, but players are simile. I mean, you know, no, I understand. I mean, like, no, Seawan Merriman and the Marcus ware had the same grade. But but where was over Merriman on the board? Yeah, you know, I mean that's the way it was. And happy about that choice. Yeah,

but but they had the same grade, you know. I mean, I if I'm stacking that thing and my guy doesn't win, and I'm just in my mind, I'm going, Okay, I noted, But you know, I'm just trying to limit my mistakes. When when players have similar grades that the same position, that becomes a little easier. But if similar positions or similar grades a different position and on different signs of the ball, right, then it becomes a little more excusable.

To go with the pass rusher. If you have a similar grade over a player, you think you feel good about getting a receiver second third, fourth round. Yeah. So who wouldn't you draft early? He said, the wide receiver? Who would you not draft early? I wouldn't draft. I don't think you can find it. I don't think if you had to pick an offensive tackle in this draft early, yeah,

you know. I mean I don't see that group. And I know, you know, with ram Check and all that, I don't see a guy that if I had to take an offensive tackle in the first round, and I'm like, man, I'm dying for a tackle as I think it would be a mistake and I and I think Ramcheck is more of a late one two kind of a guy. But man, I would be scared. I would be scared to drift. I'll see another position, Like if you had to draft a one technique, you know, a guy big.

I mean, I think not that anybody would take win the first but I'm not really sure about that. I mean the top one technique for me is probably Tomlinson. Yeah yeah, Alabama. Yeah, So and that's a guy you I have a second third round grader. There you go, Okay, okay, cornerbacks we're very important. We've talked about them. Who is the most outstanding slot corner in this draft? Well, you know, I think a player like Marshawn Lattimore can do it.

You know, he has the athleticism to do it. But if we're gonna talk about more of a nickel corner, a guy that you're gonna bring in nickel situations to cover slot, which this team likes to do. Right, guy we mentioned earlier, Corn Elder from Miami, I think he can do it because if you're gonna be a slot corner, you have to be able to tackle, right. He could tackle. Yeah, you have to be a tough son of a gun, And I think that's corn Elder. He's not the biggest guy,

not the longest guy, but he's tough. He has better strength than you what you think, and yet he's a supreme athlete. So I think corn Elder would make a lot of sound. Who's the guys? Let me take the little further to answer a great question of the short guys, Elder Jackson or Lewis Jackson being us see Lewis being Michigan. If you had to take a smaller corner to play slot. Which one of those three would you take? I'd take Jordan Lewis. I think he has the cover skills that

you want. Um. I feel better about Corn Elder maybe as a run defender, but I think Jordan Lewis is just in terms of pure cover skills, right coverage ability, I feel better about him than those other two guys you mentioned. I think I would take Elder, Okay, I think I would take Elder and then and then Lewis and Jackson one two and then Jackson. Is that what it is? Jackson's way down Jackson. But I'm just talking about those short corner packs. The sure Jackson's gonna look

great the combine because he's sure really well. Yeah, I just I don't know. There's very much bad get ready, much bad tape on him, get ready for TV scatter, him getting bullied at the against in Penn State in the Rose Ball bullied gone Ross Utah Dough. I like people. I mean this next question, I feel like I already have the real answer to this, But I'm curious needed Jack of All Trades player Christian McCaffrey or Jipple Peppers. I feel like the answer is probably obvious. In Peppers.

But is there a fight for mccaffy. I think the answer is obvious, and it's McCaffrey. I get show Peppers, you know. I don't think he's I struggle with where he's gonna fit um well, and that's why people would probably think that he is a jack of all. Are you gonna play McCaffrey, I don't care. Just put him on my offense. I mean, oh, just anywhere you want. I'll light him up out wide in the slot, backfield, right. I mean. Christian McCaffrey is one of the smartest runners

I've ever evaluated. He understands creases, he understands uh, you know when the yeah, yeah, he understands how to set up his moves. He reads his blocks, he's so good at that. And he's so good with his ball skills, catching the ball out the backfield, running routes. He's not the biggest guy. We'll see what he comes in at the combine. Is he two oh five or is he going to be closer to fifteen. I don't think he's gonna be a featured back where you want him carrying

the ball twenty times a game. But he can touch the ball twenty times a game and impact your offense in a big way. Peppers, I just I guess he might be that jack of all trades, master of none, where he can do a few things. But you just you kind of worry about where's his home. You know, where's he going to fit? Understand that, you know what, You're not wrong about this McCaffrey though, by the way, I was just getting on you about that because you can do a lot of things with him. His tape

is his tape. How's you going wow? More than Pepper's tape does. And if I had to have a guy that, I really don't know. Even though I do think I have a plan for McCaffrey, I really don't have a plan for Peppers. And and I'm thinking, do you think let me ask you this, guys, do you think that they're gonna be selected near each other the same spot? Probably? I think it's going to depend on what teams are lining up. Yeah, I think yeah, late one, I think

they'll be in that area. With McCaffrey, he plays a position where a lot of teams feel comfortable passing on a table draft him. Won't that you know, a team like the Patriots a team, like, you know, the Packers. I can't rule dowb Boys. I don't think they'll make that move now. But with Peppers, it's just takes a little bit more of a leap of faith, you know,

because you have to. You're projecting him at a position where you know, in college he played a little corner, play a little nicole, play a little linebacker, and showed flashes. You know, he can run. He's an elite athlete. But where's his home? Is he a three down player? A lot of these questions we need to figure out sounds a lot like what people were hearious about with Ramsey last year. Yeah. Yeah, but with Ramsey, I think here

talking about what home? Where set corner safety? Where's it better? High pointing all that stuff. You feel better? Yeah, you felt better about Ramsey. He could play either. With Peppers, it's more I'm not sure he could play either, you know, because he kind of a tweener. He's does a little bit of what you want a linebacker to do, does a little bit of what you want a corner to do. That's a little bit of what you want safety to do. So he really, I really believe he needs a hybrid position.

If you're drafting drill peppers. You have to draft him with you understanding that you're changing your defense to fit him in, not trying to force him into what you do on defense. Yeah, you never know what it will be. But tall safeties usually don't have success in this league. So why well, Obi melon fawn Wu I said it right, with Ukon have success. Yeah, physical marvel and he showed it at the combine, you know the way here's Yukon guys.

They just like to show out, yeah what it is up there, but the strength and conditioning program gets them ready. It's a good point. We don't see many six three, six four safeties. Yeah, it's very rare that you have those guys. I mean there's been guys been drafted high to like Patrick Bates was picked. He's over sixty three, right, you know, You've had guys like Steve Atwater was over six two. He's had great success. We've got a few of those guys this year with melon Fawn Wu and

then also the Louisville kid, Harvey Clemens. Yeah, but I didn't like him as much. I agree. So with melan fon Wu. He can run and he can he can cover some ground. Can and I think you know those long strides where that height helps him. Are you thinking more of a side tackler stuff like that or take Yeah, I didn't love his tape. He was okay. I thought he did better at the Senior Bowl in coverage. I mean they lined him at a corner on some of those drills. Makes sense with the range right, and so

he covered turn. I think he could for a long legged guy. I saw some I think it was a Houston game where the ball went sideline and he went from the middle and like, just bash the guy into the bench. I think bottom line with him is he'll be drafted higher than I would draft him. I think he's going to be in that mid to late third round. That's where I would feel comfortable, right. I think somewhere between picks fifty and seventy five would probably come off

the board. Someone will really want a gamble as possibly big, big, tall safety guy. Yeah. I mean they already have one with Chancellor. I don't want to, but maybe or maybe someone trying to copy Seattle exactly. Yeah, that happens too. Brian is very good about admitting when he is wrong, and he does that in a very prideful manner. But in this draft, who is the player that you have the biggest chance of being wrong about? I think we've

identified that. Last year. Yours was kind of maybe Joey Bosa. Yeah, so this year, who's the guy that you know you're hesitant about. Maybe one of the risk guys you said earlier, but he could end up being better than we all think. It's a good question. It's a hard question because it's kind of going against whatever you think. Anyway, I think the easy way would be go with one of these quarterbacks, just because there is such there's so much doubt with

one of them. I'll try to stay away from the quarterbacks. I'll say Quincy Wilson from Florida. Yeah, he's a player who I just don't think it's very good. And everybody's got him up real high on the board in the top fifty first round player. Yeah, but the tape shows a player who doesn't have the speed that you want a corner right, doesn't understand spacing the way you want.

He has a few splash is where he'll make a pick and return it for a big game, But watching his tape snap after snap, a good sized athlete and he might test okay, and so that's going to help him. But I just don't see a consistent football player. I have him grated as a safety because I just don't think he's gonna be able to stay at corner. Yeah, you know, and I'll stay with Florida. The opposite. I think I could be really wrong about Tabor. You know, you like him. I like him a lot. I like

Test Tabor. I like him a lot. And I feel like that I have him maybe too high on the board, you know, and I and I and I would you know, wrong in the opposite way? Yeah? Wrong? Yeah? Wrong? Wrong? Did I have him too high that he doesn't play well, that he that he that he turns into a bust? Who do you feel like you had that last year with just in comparison, like somebody that you really put up high and then he ended up not really delivering as well. I don't know if you can say that

right now. It's kind of trying to Yeah, I need to go back and look at my notes. And you know, Miles Jack, Miles Jack, well, yeah, Miles Jack was my number one guy. And I think that Miles Jack, you know, with the situation, if he if he had. If he's bad for Jacksonville this year and doesn't play well, that that will be my that will be my new all timer right there, because he was my number one player on my board. Yeah, and then and then also yeah, I wanted to give him another shot. But yeah, and

you said a key phrase. I think it's situational. It's all situational success. I mean, you know, Zeke could have gone somewhere else and maybe he didn't have the old line that he did and would be like, well, he's not even in consideration for Brickie. I just I just want to give him the opportunity. You know, we'll see Thank you so much, Taylor Stern, thank you for answering

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