Draft Show: Best Draft Combinations?

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possibility of like the first three picks. This is great because at eight o'clock this morning you were like, what the hell are we going to talk about today? No, I just know, Dank. Wait, come some stuff. I'm gonna give you some combinations out there, guys, and everybody kind of fall along with me here please if you do, we appreciate you out there. By the way. I'm gonna start with this combination of Ridley Jewel Bates. Okay, got

that combination wide receiver, Rita Jewel Bates safety. Yeah, my combination, first combination and so word, And for the sakes of this exercise, don't We're not quibbling about range, no grade, just kind of just just take it for what it's worth. How about this one? How about more DJ Moore Shepherd and more the safety from Southern miss and Shepherd being the d tackle out of Fort Hayes, Yes, yes, yes, the Fort Hayes defensive tackle. How about this one. McGlinchey,

just Sicky Warner. Got that one. Two offensive guys and a linebacker. Yeah, just McGlinchey, just Sicky Warner. Here's my next one, Vanderish Harrison Saint Brown maybe a little, maybe a little, Ronnie Harrison, Ronnie Harrison, right, Yeah, Ronnie Harrison say, we might be stretching the truth a little on some of these, but that's okay. Well, maybe you trade up Brown, would Nimius Saint Brown? Yeah? Okay? Number five Landry Miller

wide receiver from Memphis, Leonard from South Carolina State. Landry Miller, Leonard, South Carolina State. Number six Evans chark sonat South Florida defensive tackle. You with me, guys, Yeah, No, Hernandez Gallop Avery with me on that one. Memphis lineback, yeah, Colorado statewide receiver right, and the uteph guard and number eight veya Golden Hamilton, the wide receiver from Penn State. Those

are my guys. That's eight. That's eight scenario. Eight scenarios of combinations of guys, and like, I mean, you know, the names. The names probably aren't precise, but I love think about. Okay, there'll give me some trade ups, but not well not only that, but it just it gives you a good idea of the type of thing you can expect, because, like I said, maybe maybe some of the names are wrong, but like that's I really feel like this is the type of stuff you're gonna see.

These are the types of picks you're gonna see. Yeah, And I'll tell you right now, I got I got eyes for a couple of them. A couple of them. Okay, let me ask you the one. What's the one that makes the most sense for the Cowboys. I've got my eye on two, the one that makes the most sense for the Cowboys. If you look at those eight, give me the one that makes the most sense for the Dallas Cowboys. There's two right in the middle that I think are really really nice for what this team wants

and needs. Uh And it starts and their their defense heavy. Which the one I like the best because I've been saying this. You get Harold Landry at nineteen, a solid receiver, and ant Any Miller at fifty, and then a linebacker who maybe he's not a bona fide starting stud, but he's a guy who comes in and bolsters your linebacker corps. That Darius Leonard you get him at eighty one athlete

love that. Yeah, right on top of that, I love you make you make the middle of your defense better right away with Layton vander esh and Ronnie Harrison in the first two picks. And then if Equanimius Saint Brown is there at eighty one, which I don't really believe that'll happen, but if he is, okay, so all over that it's not even funny. So the one you like the best was Landry Landry Miller absolutely, how about you there, scout man. I highlighted three scenarios that were free. Well,

just that were my favorite. Yeah, okay, I can't have all nine players. Oh no, I mean yeah, I would give me give me your best scenario. Well, I mean it's different from what is probably most realisticpared to what I would do. You know what I think? Oh? Sure, like the combination of more Shepherd more. I'll love that. DJ Moore's literally three of his pet casts exactly one Hall. Oh you're doing you're doing cartwheels. You get that Adrean

Shephard I've been talking about since November. I first saw him out of Ford Hay State, and then Moore, who finally is blowing up. He's your free safety that I think we don't talk enough about this team needing a free say. Oh no, I agree with you about that, Glad. I'm glad you said that we can get into that. Lady. He's one of the few in that same vein Ridley Jewel Bates. You get your get the best receiver in the Drafty, you get your mic linebacker, get your free safety. Yeah.

And I think you're getting three really good players. So those two and then the third that I highlighted was the first one that Dave said, with Landry Millard Leonard, I like all three players. Landry is a top. I think he's thirteen over on my board. Miller is number three, the number three receiver on my board. And then I think Leonard that's a good value in the third round. So one of those three scenarios would be I would

hope that's the direction they would go. Nobody highlighted McGlinchey, Well, just Sicky and Warner. I'm glad you brought that up for me because you you I already told you this upstairs. Oh tell me tell me more, Dave, I would hate that so much for this for this team, but it does it make the most sense. It makes no sense at all. But if you move, if you moved, if you if it makes no sense for me, period. I don't want to talk about it in the stance of

the Cowboys. But in terms of the scenarios you like McGlinchey, I don't think. No, I don't like him for I don't like either of those two picks for this team. But just in general, yeah, just in general, you're just talking about the draft. That's probably the best bang for your buck of these entire eight because you're getting the best tackle in the draft, and I think the best tight end in the draft just overall, just overall, not for this team, but I mean a tight end who

can do what Jesseki does is very intriguing. And then you get a solid linebacker and Warner. If if I'm just looking at that from a perspective of just the draft, I think it's great. I hate it for the Cowboys, But is there one you hate more? Well, let me ask you about that, let me ask you about the McGlinchey just Sicky Warner one. Yeah, I mean I think a lot of what Dave said is I mean spot on.

I think for this team, like Okay, Warner is not the mic linebacker, right, He's probably a week a week the will maybe play the sam though too, right, Yeah, I probably, But I mean I think Nickel play. Yeah, but I think this team wants the mic, and I don't know how he I don't know if he's a great fit, even though I do like him. I have

him as a second round player Kausiki. He's just not the style of tight end this team wants, or the runner, the blocker, excuse me for the running game, right, I mean, unless you're gonna just totally change your philosophy how you use your tight ends. Right, He's not a guy that you feel comfortable lining up in line consistently and yeah, you know, doing what Jason Witten does. So I don't know.

I mean McGlinchey, I mean, I'm fine with mcglinchy because it stabilizes your right tackle position, you move Collins inside, whatever, um whatever. It's not. It's not a bad pick. It's just one of those all right, fine, we'll we'll do it. And it's not glamorous, but it's it helps the football team. So I don't know. It's not a bad scenario by

any means terrible scenario for the Dallas Cowboys. What's the one the scenari that would be the biggest reach, the biggest reach for you, if you if if you said, and again we talk about, you know, potentially where they're on the board, there might be some guys they have to take around early. Well and so, and I'm not trying to knock you, but just a reach for me, it is probably the vander esh one. I think you obviously, I think you can get vander Esh at nineteen. Yeah.

I don't know that he'll be either what hey, great, awesome, that's a fake pen drop right there. Oh darn. I don't know that Ronnie Harrison lasts to fifty and I certainly don't know that Equanimius same Brown lasts to eighty one. So that's the one that probably be the most unders. That's probably why it's so appealing is because we're getting players we shouldn't be getting with our pick. That's like the Scout draft or the Yeah that's the fans. Yeah,

I got Chubb at nineteen. Yeah. The one that said out to me that I would not like probably is her Nan. I mean, I love well Hernandez. I don't want Avery in the third. Avery's not a third round player to me, and I don't He's just say I'm only I don't think he's a mic so for me, so I don't like that scenario. I mean Gallup, I like, I think he you know, he's solid. Hernandez is a good player. So I'm okay with the first two picks,

but Avery, I don't want. So that's if you could plug somebody else in it, Avery spot, then I mean, I'm kind of putting you on the spot right there. But they went Hernandez Gallup, Yeah, super complique Jefferson. Oh okay, if we're looking for a third round okay, okay, I put plug Jefferson in there. What does that do to you? Then? If I said, it's a lot more Hernandez Gallop Jefferson, what would that have done to you? As far as the relation to the other guys, that's a lot more appealing,

because how would one of your top ones. We know that we didn't want the guard every well no, yeah we know Amanti of I got that ye with the moves that this team has made in free agency. Like I said, I'm a lot more open to guard now in the first round because I don't feel like they address the need the need at left guard, like sure

they could have in free agency. Sure. So yeah, I mean I'm a lot more open to guard in the because in the second third round there's not a lot of value unless you get in Austin Corbit or someone like that. Can you let me pull this back away from just these twenty four specific nulle It just makes me wonder, you know, like the thought process we talk so much about vander esh and Rashaan Evans because it's, you know, similar to the kind of married well, similar

to the taco thing. It's like, well, we probably got to get this guy at nineteen if we were. But I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, should I feel more optimistic than I than I do that you can get a linebacker who fits your need on day two, whether that's Josie Jewel, whether that's Warner, whether that's um Malik Jefferson throw. I mean, yeah, should I feel more optimistic than I do? Or is my attitude that you might want to get that guy at nineteen the right one?

You want to get the right one. But Okay, besides Josie Jewel, who else are we looking at? Uh? Well? And even push it back to the third Darius Leonard, Fred Warren m Malik Jefferson, Like, is that good value? Is what I'm trying. I mean, if they don't, all you got is what's here? You know, you signed Joe Thomas, you got Jalen, you got Lee. If they wait until Friday to draft that position, is that okay? Because in my head, I really don't think it is. But we're

going through all these names and maybe it is. I don't know what do y'all think? Yeah, No, that's a good because I still believe in that in the first taking the best player, you know, like I, but you have to forecast what the second and third rounds look like. You have to look forward and say, okay, if we're going with player A here, okay, the positions we're looking at in the second and third So that does factor in. That's you know, I love Josie Jewel. Yeah, you know

at fifty that would make sense. Um. And then in the third round, I said, I don't know if Warrener's the best fit. Would Jefferson get drafted before Jewel? Just based on athleticism, it's certainly possible. Jewel improved his numbers at his pro day. I don't know. To me, Jewel the film is just so good on fuel. But but are people gonna just ding him because the athletic testing

and you've predicted that before the combine. Yeah, and I think it's definitely possible because teams would get so infatuated with the numbers. So yeah, definitely possible that could happen. And Darius Leonards is the kind of the wild card and a smaller school guy who has a lot of ability, Like if you went in the second round, that wouldn't

be surprising. Yeah, So you know, I think, going along with what you're saying, you know, you almost have to take one of those linebackers at fifty, whether that's Jewel, Leonard, you know, whoever. You want to make sure you get which And I think my stock answer when people ask me this stuff is, you know, if it were up

to me, I love DJ Moore. I drafted him at nineteen, But trying to think like the Cowboys, I wouldn't do that because I like my odds that I can find a receiver I feel good about in the second or third round way more than I do linebacker. But we're sitting here talking about it and is my attitude about that, right? Or am I not giving the Day two linebackers enough credit? I think you're right because you know, if Layton, Vander es Ra, Shaun Evans are there at nineteen, I think

that's the lead horse. I think that's the favorite. I think you're right too, So, which the fact that they think that tells that I mean again, my opinion doesn't really matter as much as what they think, which is why I go back to that time and time again, and so I want to convince myself that I can believe in one of these Day two linebackers. But I think the smart money is nineteen, right, And we look

at Okay, they're doing a lot of work on DJ Chark. Yeah, you know, and DJ Chark is someone that might or might not be there at fifty, right, you know he's in that range. Is he in the same boat like Miller gives Miller of fifty? Yeah? Yeah, So how about Washington because there's another guy that they had a thirty visit on. Yeah, can I this is I mean, I'm just throwing out if you're talking, I'm not. I'm not trying to throw this out like I came up with it all on my own. Anybody with half a brain

who follows the draft could do this. But it just kind of hit me this morning that you know, we've you know, they traded up from forty eight to thirty four for d Law sure it was or forty seven, whatever it was. I mean, maybe you're looking at a scenario where if you're you know, we talk about nineteen to twelve all the time, if you're willing to jump from fifty to the mid forties, Oh no, we've talked about You're right about that, you could probably get most

of the risk. I mean, most of those guys will be there for you. I feel like, you know, I mean, I would imagine Ridley and Moore are definitely gone, Chark might be gone, Sutton might be gone. But do you feel like those that might be something boy look into. Do you feel like his point though the run of the receivers is going to start at the top of the second or what position are we gonna get the run on? I think they're good chance. I'm I'm kind

of glad you mentioned Sutton. I think we need to talk more about No, that's that's fair, because he's part of this whole thing, right, Yeah, Well, and The big thing with Sutton that we've said from day one, he's a protecyplical x he exactly. You know, it's very similar to Dez Bryant. We don't need to talk about him. Yeah, okay, well now with everything going on with des Broun, Oh no,

you're right, we need to talk more about Yeah. And if he's yeah, I mean he could go in the late first easily, or he could go in the early second. And so yeah, I think we're gonna see that run on receivers and Courtland Sutton's not gonna last very long.

I wonder if people excuse me that, I wonder if people are gonna just say, you know, with the way the receivers have gone the last several years, that we could just wait into the second round and get a better receiver than well, yeah, you look at the receivers in the first round the last few years. Yeah, a lot of duds. Yeah, I mean two years ago with Corey Coleman, Laquon Treadwell, Dockson, oh yeah, last year in the top three, in the top ten with Corey Davis,

Mike Williams, John Ross, all these receivers. Now, I think it's unfair to say, oh, we shouldn't take a first end right over this year, because you know, scouts sometimes think that way. Yeah, you know, you're right. Everybody just conveniently leaves out twenty fourteen when they have that conversation too. It's like, well, in the last three years, they're all bus well, what about in the last four years because

fourteen was pretty bad at heavens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm not really trying to okay, we think, okay, just to kind of who's your favorite on this? By the way, all these these eight scenarios gonna say something terrible. I'm a fan of the More. I'm the fan of the More Shepherd More. Yeah, the law firm of More Shepherd More. That does no, I mean that's a that's it. I'll tell you what though, Landry Miller Leonard is not bad either,

not bad, I think, not bad. Off my sheet here, No, I wasn't the whole wasn't the whole point we haven't talked about Yeah, but we hadn't talked about the veya Gulden Hamilton. When is that just is that just kind of a mah, I don't want to I'll say it. Well, Golden, Yeah, I like Hamilton. I'd rather get the first round pick, right, Okay, it's got It's got nothing to do with what I think of Vida Veya as a player. But I've said this a million times. I'll believe they draft a d

tackle in the first round when I see it. So when I see that, I'm just like, okay, whatever, and then all I mean, I told you it's not that I dislike Golden, but I like y'all hype him up to the point where I'm scared. He's a badass. Y'all talk about him like he's gonna be no watch him, y'all talk about it. He goes somewhere else. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you're like, who's camp chance. They did that same thing with that Iowa kid last year with

the Charger. Oh he can't run, he can't run. I'm gonna that son of a gun is a football player. I will have talked about him a bunch. Yeah exactly. I will absolutely give you all the credit you deserve. You should give us credit. I'm scared because you two think he's Cam Chancellor and nobody else is. Oh, he'll get his uniform. I think he's an outstanding Nickel safety in this draft that he's gonna be a phenomenal player. He will. He's gonna be a mean SOB for somebody's team.

I wish it was my team, Cincinnati, where are you? Maybe it will be my Bengals. By the way, in my seven round mock draft that I did to all two hundred fifty six picks, Antonio Callaway in the fifth round, where do you think I had him going? Don't Bengals? Yeah? All right, please God, all right, real quick. The one you like the best. We'll close on this one. The

best one you liked again. If if if I had to take one of these, I'd probably say Landry Miller Leonard Okay, I think it addresses all your major needs. You get an awesome pass rusher in the first round. That's like, it's fine, it'll be boring if we all agree. No, no, no, look at this face. He's trying to figure out which one he wants. I want to like, you want to go with the law Firm. I want to get more Shepherd. Whoa,

whoa whoa? You don't like the law Firm. No, I want to go with that one because that those are my pet cats. But I would probably agree with Dave Landry Miller. I mean, I love it. That's a good that's a good one. That's a nice haul. That is a nice haul. All right, boys, thanks for playing along with me. I appreciate that. At home. Make sure you're yeah.

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We'll go. We got some questions. Anthony wants to know, Dane, you said four minutes by sorry, Oh, you're right because we started late. Whatever, Dane, Anthony points out, you said on the last show that you had a first round grade onto Marcus Lawrence. He fell to thirty four cowboys traded up and got him. Can you give us an idea of some guys who you think that might happen with this year? First round ish guys who fall into the second round happens every single year. It does happen

every year. This year, we just don't have as many first round guys, so I think it's tougher to see one of them. You know, last year we had what Kevin King fall into the second, Dalvin Cook, which obviously this team wasn't interested in Dalvin Cook. You know at durn Payne maybe, Yeah, durn Payne would be a guy that I would I would surely. Look. I think that's a great name. He's more of a one two, but a guy that could slip out of the top thirty two and you know, be available in the second. He's

one of those guys used in the first. Hughes is another one in Oliver. I think Isaiah Oliver too. It should be in that conversation. Josh Jackson too, Josh Jackson. I mean, as great as the production was at Iowa this past year, still a lot of questions. Can you hold up a man coverage? Is he you know, gonna learn how to tackle? All right, let's twist it around real quick, because Ari wants to know who's a guy who fits that category, who you would move up for.

Kind of touched on that with the receivers and going defense. I'm going to be a name. Yeah, I'm going James or Smith. I'm scared to hear. So no, no no, no, se sorry from second Marcus Lawrence. Oh, I think Dave's

right the wide receiver connection. Yeah, because with that, regardless of whoever goes first, and you know, we'll just say Ridley and morgo exact twenty top twenty five, we're you know, we're gonna see Chark, We're gonna see Sutton, We're going to see these receivers come off the board at some point early second. So yeah, I think that makes sense. Let me ask you this, Daniel's first round player for you? Yeah? Easy, okay. So I was thinking about it. He might be the

best center prospects. It's Alex Mack okay, like he's I'm trying to think. Oh, I like it what you're saying. He's a good player. I watched a guard from Iowa yesterday Welsh, Welsh, and every time Daniels is saving his rear. Yeah, exactly what I mean. It's just it's incredible. But so you mean he's there's no way he gets this top of the second round. No, I don't think. So, okay, what could I convince you to do it? For a safety?

I'm thinking, like we talked about Ronnie Harrison. Yeah, maybe Bates, I say, Bates or read Have they shown any of Yeah, have they looked at They have not? I say I didn't he workouts or not a top thirty. No, he went to top thirty. I mean they went that direction, it'd be a total you know, yeah, covert operation there would be. I think again, how about that one of those defensive ends like uh Eca four, you know somebody like that. Yeah, I mean, do you love one of

them enough to go and get it. I'm just throwing a name it wars ard Key gonna be in this thing. Good point. See that's obsane. It's not ardon Key trading up for arden Key. You might be getting an eighty one. Okay, Well, I'm just saying though, maybe something they're gonna bring this guy in arden Key is gonna be a vis. They're gonna they're doing their homework on him, and he's the type of guy you need to do your homework on obviously, figure out what's what makes him tick. Okay, again, the

tight ends tight. I'm okay, drafted a tight end, just not in the first two round. But you wouldn't trade it for a time. No, I'm not trading. I'm just tight end again, what about will Hernandez if he falls? Oh? I like that, I do like that. Would you give up eighty one to get her Nandez at thirty nine? Forty mm hmmm, I would. I'm thinking, who do we get in the first take a receiver and whatever. You almost have to take defense if you're gonna find back guard,

like take Evans Vanders at nineteen and then Hernandez. So let's go. I can live with that. Let's go. Austin wants to know, well, we lose our safety though at eighty one? Yeah? More? Okay, sorry, go ahead. S happens in the draft. You know a lot of two first round players though, Yeah, s happens a lot of times in the draft. Two parter. Austin wants to know, do you buy the Josh Allen that one smoke? And he also wants to know, guy we're not which I know.

I know what his grade is because I have the beast. But you can't follow grades with quarterbacks, right, any chance Mason Rudolph gets up there into before the Cowboys pick, maybe pushes a guy down the board. You can't rule anything out, but Mason Rudolph in the top in the first round is craziness to me, but I don't know it's craziness to you, but it won't be crazy. Were comparing him to Ben Roethlisberger, who Mason Rudolph No, sighing,

Who's compared size, size, physical ability, farm Stream. I could walk down the street and find a guy that has that size. Wow, I mean, I don't understand the parallel. Well, your hate for Mason Rudolph is impressive. It's just it's not sports hate. By the way, for sports it's always sports, always sports hate. It's just he's what do you see on film that suggests that he's going to be this, you know, big time NFL start, and that you better think he's a big time NFL start if you're gonna

take him top twenty. He launches a lot of those balls down the field that will say and those guys, I mean, unless Mike Gundy's coming with him and bringing that Oklahoma State scheme, very simplistic, very quarterback friendly, where you know you don't have to readcoverage. His consistent basis you meant you have one read usually pre snap, and you're throwing that making that throw so and I mean Oklahoma State they have you know, we ding James Washington

week Marcel Eatman, Sure running four routes? Sure, okay, well that part of that, we ding Mason Rudolph. We're only having to throw to four routes. You know, you do acknowledge that it's possible. I do, because well, I don't know if it's possible Top twenty like, if he's not going to the late first to a team like that

sounds more plausive spurger, you know, twenty seven. I mean in the Saints, people talk about the sides wanting a quarterback maybe oak screen on how high people like Baker Mayfield. I don't think so. Yeah, it's it goes a little bit against the gray what we usually like Quack we usually think of the quarterbacks. Yeah, but I think someone's gonna fall in love with ok yeah, I think, uh, well, okay, how about Alan or one? Oh yeah, oh yeah, we didn't touch on that. Please please say no no. I

think it's yeah, it's possible. I don't think John Dorsey a hundred percent knows who they're taking yet. Yeah. I think he probably feels really good about where they're leaning. But Josh Allen is in Brea today at the Brown's facility, and you know, he's making his case for why he should be the number one pick. Look, you can't rule it out. So many people want to pigeonhole John Dorsey into he wants this type of quarterback. Why why are

we doing this? Like he's He's made two quarterback moves, significant quarterback moves in his tenure as a general manager. He traded for Alex Smith and he drafted Pat Mahomes. Those are two different quarterbacks. So, I mean, I've said this to you before though, like I'm reluctant to say that Mahomes is a successful pick yet, Like I mean,

I'm just saying it. In the skill set, like the type of quarterback you're looking at, okay, uh, there's a two different styles of quarterback and so and I don't think we can paint a picture of exactly what John Dorsey looks like. Do you want a big arm? I think every general manager evaluator wants a big arm, But overall, you want a guy that's gonna win. You want to get it's accurate, and that's why I still think the favorite of Sam Darnold. But there are too many whispers

going on that Josh Allen is the guy. I mean, just remind you, guys. Something Danny at Lang had better knowledge stats than Josh Allen. Let me. Let me remind you guys, is something the Browns play in a division that is completely outdoors. Yeah, they play in cold weather cities late in the year, John Dorsey, for my years in Green Bay, we learned this, you better have a guy. And we in the problem with as we drafted Terrell Buckley, who was a corner from Florida State instead of taking

Troy Vincent from Wisconsin. Okay, now apply this to quarterbacks. Okay, if you live in cold weather, if you play in cold weather, you understand cold weather. There's something too that it's it's it's part of the path. Okay, you're shaking your head. But it was something that we talked about. Harvest from Southern just about to say but but that's what I'm saying, though far hate but he adapted because of because of body type and hand size, and he

had the talent. Yeah, let's not let's not act like. Let's in my mind, I was just about to see La Manning. Well, let's not know, but let's not act like. Let's not act like. I don't buy it that shouldn't be a reason any of the three prototypical Maybe not Baker Mayfiel. Baker Mayfield would not fit well in Cleveland in my opinion, any him with his body tapes. Sam Darnold was terrible at his pro day in the rain. I might give more credence to that. But it's different

being a cold weather quarterback. I'm just telling you that, right, it is. But I think if you've got the talent to go top five, you can adapt. That's my point. But just because Josh Allen played in cold weather doesn't mean he was good. No, no, no, no no. I'm just saying though, when you look at these quarterbacks, he is the one. He is the one that played in and and, but he wasn't good in cold weather. I

think that's a silly reason to draft him over somebody else. No, it's it's not a silly reason, but when it's part of what you think, think about when you're drafting these quarterbacks. Seriously, No, I think they're That conversation does play a part in this, I agree, But that is I think people can say, Carson Palmer, I get it to me if you have, but you have to have the body type. If you have arm strength to hand I mean, but have to

have don't you think darnold he's got talent. Let's you have these two quarterbacks neck and neck like you can't decide. I don't know which one's better, which one's better? Maybe I'll use that as Okay, you know what, this guy has done it in cold weather. You know I would maybe that would give the edge, But you would have to me, you would have to have those quarterbacks completely even to use that as a reason draft one over the other. If I Tom Brady had success, sure Michigan,

he's well, he's also as well. He's mentally tough. You know, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers played his college ball on the West Coast. How about that? Yeah? Again badass another but then but then again, body type, hand size things. I mean. And and by the way, twenty three other teams passed on that to get him. And I'm just saying, and Ted Thompson tried to pass on it too. I'm just saying. It's just something you think about. Is it the overlying factor or no? But I'm just telling you Dorsey comes

from a program. I was part of that program. This is something you think about. I'm not saying that you're wrong that they think about it. I just hope that's not the reason that they pick him. It's not going to be the overlying of the over lying. Would you draft would you draft a lesser quarterback for that reason? I think you have to. I think you have to consider though about if a quarterback cast functionality in cold conditions. I think you have to consider that. Would you drafted

lesser quarterback because of that reason? Though? If you have Sam if you think Sam Donald's the best quarterback in his draft and Josh Allen's number two, would you, if you're general manager, the clear if they were, if they were, if they if they were even and no, no, I'm saying, if you thought Sam Donald was the best quarterback in this draft, yeah, Josh alllying number two? Yeah, clearly one above the other. I think it was something I would

surely think about. Yes, I would surely think about. I can't go there with you give me the better quarterback. Um, all right, we kind of got off our We got off our rapid fire. We always do. It's fine, John, which this is Dane mentioned this in the first segment. John said, given the need at safety, we would all agree it's a pretty big need on this team. Are you surprised by what appears to be somewhat of a

lack of interest. I mean, they brought in the Southern miss kid, they brought in the ULLL kid, but Walker, Yeah, talking mid round prospects though, I mean, like what it does, and Terrell Edmunds is another one. But it doesn't seem like they're doing for instance, they're turning over every stone at wide receiver, and I agree with the question that it doesn't seem like they're doing that at safety. To me, it's not a great safety group. I mean, there's free

safety group. Try to draft Harrison earlier, yeah, we did, but strong anyway, we have any reason to suspect that they're interested in him, because I mean I don't see the crystal clear indication that that's the case like I do with well, name a receiver. You know, I think it's just more of a case. You know, how many guards is this team brought in? Maybe maybe they know something, Maybe they know something we don't. At fifty they're gonna move that thing to John Snyder. Oh oh yeah, I

thought you meant trade up. But yeah, there's always that too. Yeah, that's I think that maybe they're saying, Okay, let's look at the down the line safety guys and as a as an ace and a whole kind of thing. Maybe they're gonna move fifty. I know nothing, I'm just saying that. I also think I think they feel really really good about Xavier Woods. They do, so they do. They do feel good about Xavier Woods. Okay, And it's just it's

not a great free safety group. You know, after Derwin James to me, I'm not drafting another safety in the top twenty, and then you know Bates and Justin Reid, Okay, solid players. This team just might not like him. Great segue, because ajor our old buddy Golden, our old buddy laugh. I'm not laughing. It's not about he's gonna be a really good player. It's not about the right It's not about the player anyway. Um, our old senior Bowl buddy,

Trayvon Henderson from Hawaii Combine snub free safety. Can he does he fit that? What do you think of him as a player? I would play him down. Yeah, he's he's more of that that type of safety. Um Honestly, he's a little bit of both. Because there are times when you see him, he'll miss him tackles, you know, and but there are other times where he plays does

a nice job in coverage. You know, he's he's kind of like our money Watts because a sometimes player and you know, sometimes he looks great and because coverage sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he looks great against the runs, sometimes he doesn't. I know that probably describes a lot of safeties. But Trayvon Henderson I think is similar in that respect.

Kaiser White strong West. Yeah, he's a strong I know there are specifically I know three teams that think he's a linebacker on the draft board, so I I think he's more that I think this team might be one of those teams too. Yeah. Yeah, how much does he weigh? Dane Quick two twenty something? Oh wow? Okay, yeah, I mean he's Dion Jones. He was two eighteen Yeah at the combine, So bring it on. Okay, good question from

our friend of the show, Jonah. Yeah. Most likely guy to be picked who did not visit here, if that makes sense, A guy they didn't bring him in, which we all know that that's a big Ooh, that's that's him. Or Derwin James. I was thinking more back of the line, guys like maybe a second round pick that they didn't bring in, or you could even cheat about Mica Fitzpatrick,

m another good name. I like all of this way more than what I was gonna say, which I was going to point out technically, I mean Courtland, Sutton, Will hernandez Uh. Some of those guys aren't visits, but they're guys that the team is intomateure familiar with Sue reason or another. But I like y'all's answers a lot better. If Mika Fitzpatrick slides to maybe thirteen, that's exactly where I in my mock draft should be up in the next few days, hopefully today that's reached out. That's six spots.

That's where I have him going thirteen the Redskins. Remember what happened last year with the Redskins. Oh yeah, they took Alan, a pretty good Alabama defensive player who we thought was a top pick. Yeah. Could happen again this year with a pretty good Alabama defensive player, which thinks the top pick fall to them in the teens. Why is he gonna fall because Alan had the shoulders? Yeah?

What's many people are overthinking it, you know, trying to say he's only a nickel corner and they don't have an idea where to play. Yeah, I think they're I'll take him right now, absolutely, and I figure it out. So I think he's I don't think you like the whole Roquan Smith. He I don't know. People aren't talking about him enough. He's one of the top. You don't think five six players in this draft. I don't know a single reputable publication that think he goes any later

than like ten, maybe eleven. Yeah, but I'm talking about, like, why aren't we talking about him at six and the Colts? Why aren't we talking about like I'm saying, like he's one of the top. I guess the quarterbacks going early. You know, that's pushing good players down. So also, maybe who's the three of the three guys of the other quarterbacks, the other guys other than quarterbacks? Who are the three guys?

Is it the guard Nelson? It's Barkley, Barkley Smith. I mean, how do you where do you have Smith in that? And the and the and the guys other than the quarterbacks? Yeah? I mean that's that's good. That's gonna tell you. He's probably the one that people He's not for everybody. I'm sure because it's crazy. You know who wasn't for everybody? Derek Brooks? Yeah, how you know when how could Roquan Smith not be for everybody? Yeah? But size? When When

John said, did you say idiot undersize? Underside linebackers are dominating in the league? Right now? When looks at uh Quan Smith, Derek Brooks, sirens are going to go off in his head. Yeah, and that's why I don't think he gets past ten. I think ten's kind of us floor. All right, Dave, I'm sorry, bums out there, No, you could get better there. We can trade up to nine. San Francisco, we did a lot better. Do we have

any more time? Although San Francisco? One more question? One more question I got, and then I gotta hit it. Um all right, we don't have a lot of time. John said, three of your favorite prospects who you don't think the Cowboys will draft. Let's just limit it to one for sake of time. But just a guy, and I'm not I don't mean like Derwin Award from Ohio State. Yeah, my guy that'd be up there. Um are I said

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couple of guys. I've been getting a lot of a lot of requests about so I'm gonna start it off trying to find me an edge rusher without you know, Harold Landry's not there left. Sure tell me more about Arkansas States Javon Roland Jones. It's a good name guy who led or almost at the FBS record, almost broke turrell sugs curacy of three and a half. He's a little bit of a tweener. He doesn't have ideal size, ideal length, and he didn't tested her who will No,

I was very surprised by that. Yeah, the combined numbers weren't good, and then the pro days numbers were even worse. Um to me, he's more of a late round, sub package rusher. Who you know. He's gonna maybe give you a little bit of juice off the bench, but I just don't think it's enough tools to give you consistent snaps and consistent pressure. Well, I tell you what, you got him right. The thing about him interesting and you compare him to he almost broke Suggs record. Remember how

bad Suggs was on his pro day? Yeah, like day, couldn't get him to run a fast forty. Yeah, he just kept struggling with that and all that. Yeah, this, I'll tell you what I think Dane's got this guy right. I think edge rush or subplayer. That's really kind of woody, and he struggles versus the run. There's some strength issues there, so he just he's not going to be out there on every down and right, he's gonna struggle to make

a roster probably. I mean the college production is great, but he's gonna have to really make some moves and he might not get drafted. He's a late round PFA to call him up. What about another name I've I've seen in my mentions on no short number of occasions. Tell me more about Middle Tennessee State corner char char verys Ward another combine snub. Who know how you love those combines? Yeah? I do. Ward is in my seven

round mock draft. He didn't make the cut. Use why because teams like tall, long, sure corners with speed and that's what he is. Um. You watch him on tape. He plays a little press, plays a little off. You know. The footwork is uh doesn't have the discipline that you want in terms of the pedal h exploding out of his brakes, and that's where receivers can create some separation.

But it's the raw traits. It's when you have that height, you have that length, you have that speed, and the coaches say he's a smart guy, a really bright individual, so that certainly will help him as well. He's he's a type of you know, no other position is drafted more on the stop Watch than corner, and so he's the type of corner that gets drafted six seventh round. You take a shot on guys like that. Yeah, when you talk about the tall, rangy guys that are late,

where do you have yet him? I have him high. I like you a lot. Okay, then I know both sold me on him. Yeah, I have him a little bit lower. He's the Boston college kid. Yeah, it's like it's like at six one ninety pounds, but he's four or five four kind of guy. But I thought about the same thing. You know, guy that plays press got it's long guy that you know kind of gets. So you've got him a little bit higher. Where do you have him in your relationship? I'm sorry to take this nude.

I'm talking about long rangeing. Okay, okay, So third round that that's a that's a little bit higher than what I would have him there. I kind of thought it was more of a I thought more of him was a third day guy. But you're right. I mean I was trying to compare, okay, of the tall guys that play press, you know that teams like he's he's probably a little bit better than where I have him on

the board. How how tall is this kid? Ward? Ward? Uh, just just a hare hundred sixty one, Yeah, two hundred pounds. He ran a four four four at the Pro Day, jumped really well, thirty seven and a half in verse eleven foot broad. It doesn't it doesn't make sense to use a huge pick on a cornerback given what they did last year. But I just feel like they're gonna give Chris Richard a day three dB to work with. I know they need a safety, but even a cornerback.

I mean, they have ten picks. Let him take a chance on a guy whose body type he likes or whatever. One thing that worries me with Corners is when they have bad three cone time. Yeah. You know in corners you have learned that transition, you know, hip turn all that and tre various wards three cone time with seven five two, which is either he didn't know how to do it or he's just not very good. There is

a little bit of stiffness too. Yeah, you know, and that will tell you that's that's that's a that's a red flag right there. For sure. I saw Brian watching this guy the other day and it piqued my interest. Tell me more about Mississippi State tight end Jordan Thomas. It's too Jordan Thomas is in this draft. Oklahoma corner and the tight end Thomas is fact that he just had that ready to go. He's just like, yeah, there's two of them. Okay. Uh, he's gonna say it when

it happens in the draft. Yeah, when we're on that one night, he's gonna ask which one Thomas. It really wasn't on the radar coming end of the year. He had nine catches as a junior, and then as a senior they just to get him on the field, they moved into receiver. It's weird to watch a two hundred and sixty five pound man receiver. Yeah, and so he would play side, he'd played outside. So he's a guy that you don't know kind of where to play him

because he doesn't really have that experience in line. I mean, has that size. He's six five and a half two hundred and sixty five pounds tested. Okay, four seventy four, and the forty yard that