Draft Show: April Approaches

talked to her this morning. She is having fomo about being missing the Draft show. And Bobby Belt was on assignment as well. So for the Draft Show today, you got a couple of guys from one oh five three the Fan. Uh my guy, Zach Woolchuk is joining me today to talk a little NFL draft. We're always happy to have the opportunity to do this. Zach, how are you doing this morning? You know me, I'm not very good on the pleasantries of it all. Yeah. You like to get right into it. I like to get right in.

It's like your phone calls. Yeah, anytime I have a phone call with Brian, it's not Hello, how are you doing? It's all right, get straight to the point. Get straight to the point. What do you think about this guy? Did you watch Tank Dell? What do you think about b Jean Robinson? Where are we today? Are we on resignment? Are we on remote? Yeah? Fill out your brackets? Ye had all that, but yeah, no, you've got me down. And this is though, this is the time of year.

We're getting close. We're getting closer. We're starting to have the the Pro days wind down, We're having free agency going on. I think the market is kind of slow for some positions, you know that teams are looking at. But once we get done with these Pro Days, these teams are going to go back into their war rooms or the places where they evaluate players, and they're gonna start setting their boards and they're not going to worry

so much about free agency anymore. So teams, I think, are picking off guys as they can supplement their team, and then they're gonna get full on setting boards. And Zach, I want to get in at least in the first segment with you today. And by the way, the Draft Show is always is sponsored by Miller Lite, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It is Miller time. And we are coming from the SWBC Mortgage studios too, which

we always think everybody that's involved with the show. But what I want to get into right off the jump, and I've been doing this drafting stuff since nineteen ninety two. Okay, you know, I've had a media career, I had a scouting career. Been very fortunate in my life to have two different careers, but still involved with the scouting stuff

the way that I do. And now having you involved in Aisha and Bobby Belt and everybody in Kyle, everybody involved, all the guys from the past that used to do this, the Dame Burglars of the world and stuff like that. This is the one draft where I'm struggling in a way because of my background, and I'm struggling with my background of what I learned as a scout when it came to players that measurables don't fit my eye right.

And this is a draft, as Jim Nance would say, like no other that the where they're there, they're these outliers. There's an outlier at quarterback, there's an outlier at or, there's outliers at wide receiver, there's an outlier at defensive tackle. There's outliers at linebacker. There's an outlier that weighs one hundred and sixty six pounds at corner. That's one of the best that I've seen, one of the you know

when you start to talk about those guys. And this is going to be the challenge for these scouting departments going forward here sure, because not all these players are going to be able to fit their eye and I and I the thing that bothers me a lot, and I learned this a long time ago, is when you take an exception on a player, then the next thing

you know, you have a team full of exceptions. Okay, and that's you know when you say, okay, I'm like last night and the reason I'm bringing this up right, I'm going through these names and about one hundred and fifty names in. I gotta still got a ways to go. I'm still got a ways to go, but I'm starting to see these these outliers. I watched Tank Dell last night, okay, Houston, Houston wide receiver, and I'm like thinking, this cat is

a hell of a football player. He really really is the problem with Tank Dell is and I look at it as you know, maybe my parameters of again, how my eye and maybe how I'm trying to build my team. Tank Dell is five eight, one hundred and sixty five pounds. Yeah, tiny guy. Yeah, he's a tiny guy. But he's one

of the most explosive players in the draft. And but you could say that about others, and I mean others when I'm talking about receivers, Guys like Josh Downs from North Carolina State or North North Carolina, not North Carolina State, North Carolina. And Chris Beam, who does such a great job if you're falling along, if you're watching us, he's got clips of if you haven't seen Tank Dell, a man, the Beamer has got Tank Dell highlights up. And he

was a touchdown machine he is. There were nine games I think he had fourteen touchdowns where and you and this is a big time returner as well, like you punt him the ball, it's at your own peril with him because he makes big time plays. Turpin esque. Okay, that's where I want to go. Because if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you're looking at these guys like Josh Downs, North Carolina, Zay Flowers Boston College, I can't tell you how many mock drafts that folks and listen, hey, I

appreciate you folks sending me the mock draft. Tank Dell was a guy that was a lot of people were putting on mock drafts for me. They're like, third round brought us Tank Dell, and I'm like, okay, Tank Dell. Great. You might have had Tank Dell too low in the third round, but what would when you got him in a second No, no, but that's what I But the way he's playing, and what I want to ask you is, as you're going through these guys, how are they fitting

your yeah? And what are teams going to be doing in your opinion to put these guys in the right spot in order? I mean, I can say you teams have got to figure this out. And I'm doing a lot of talking here. No, you're but, but teams are gonna have to figure out these outliers. Then the number

one pick of the draft could be an outlier. Maybe we should have seen this coming when when our guy, our quarterback at Arizona, got drafted, right, Kyler Murray got drafted, Because when I started scouting, there's no way then you know what that a five nine quarterback was going to be taken first over our guy from uh that's now it's signing with Tampa Bay Baker Mayfield. Sure, same way Kyler Murray Baker Mayfield. There There was no way with

Russell Wilson. Really he kind of layed the ground. That was the third round guy. Sure, but then he had success, and I think other teams were kind of thinking, man, maybe this can work. I talked to John Snyder about that, about drafting him, and and He's like, I'm like, hey, congratulations, you know on that? And John goes Man, we got lucky. You know, we got lucky. Who was it? Matt Flynn? Matt Flynn. They had given a big contract. That's what

I'm saying. I mean, I told John, I asked John Nico, I go, hey, congratulations, he goes Man, you're talking to the same idiot that gave Matt Flynn ten million dollars lease he's us. So is it is it going to be lucky with this or is this going to be Teams are really gonna give this some thought? When it's Tank Dell, Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, you know they where where are you on all this? I so to me

and I think you know that. We had this conversation back in the Antoine Winfield Junior Draft and you're like, man, he's small, I don't know about him, and I'm thinking he's the best safety in the class. That's one that I got right, all right, So I'll hold onto that. Otherwise, typically I'm very wrong when it comes to this stuff. But if you can play, I want to find a

way to work, to make this work and to use you. Now, I get what you're saying where you don't want to have you know, you're starting fifty three and a half of them are outliers where you're just putting a small, you know, finesse kind of lineup out there on the football field. You don't want that. But this draft class, and we've talked about it, it's not the elite kind of wide receiver. When you're looking at past the first round, it doesn't go as deep as we've seen in the

last few years. I think you're gonna have to be open minded and you're gonna have to look at a guy like Zay Flowers, especially if you're the Cowboys at twenty six. Like we talked about yesterday. Let's say all the other receivers are gone. Yeah, and Zay's the best guy on your board, you know, McCarthy. And there was a great article on the Cowboys. Why aren't USA Today written about this? His guy? And this dates back to

Green Bay. The type of wide receiver that he likes is usually around six foot one, two hundred and four pounds. How many guys and this year's draft clas fit that mold. You only have a handful, right, you got Rashi Rice at SMU, Jackson Smith and Jigma from Ohio State. Otherwise he's gonna have to go ahead and go against the grain when it comes to the size way profile that he typically likes out wide receiver. But to me, if

a guy can play, I don't care. I'm gonna look past the size because how many guys have we seen come into the league and they end up being successful even though maybe they didn't meet the ultimate Like Taco Charlton, I feel like was a traits pick for the Cowboys and that didn't work. They didn't want to take t J. Watt right, we talked about the arm length and stuff

like that. They'll take off right. So for me, maybe a tank Dell because he is so close to a Cavante Turpin and they haven't really been able to make turn. Haven't figured that out, have they? And I don't know if that's a I don't know if that's a Kellen

Moore thing or that's a Mike McCarthy thing. Yeah, you know, because you know, I felt like with you know, and being on this platform, and you know, and us being on one O five three the fan we talked about, you know, post post bye week, look for them to get Turpin more involved, look for them to come up with more ideas never happens, look for them to be

more creative. So now all of a sudden, I'm looking at all these outliers, and I'm wondering to the Cowboys, even even remotely, look at these guys, They're going to have to They're going to have to change the way they think. Now they met with some of them, right, And that was a Flowers and yeah, exactly, Yeah, there were a couple of these, even like an A Chain you know, from from Texas, A and L there that was a guy I thought, look like the player a

lot really explosive. I thought, if they were to lose Tony Pollard and they didn't franchise tag him for whatever reason. That's a guy that has a similar skill set when you look at the speed, the explosiveness, the ability to score at any point on the field, has good hands, He's a physical player. He's hard to bring down, but he's small. So I was thinking, I don't know if the Cowboys are really going to be in did in

him because they do go ahead. It seems like they kind of stacked their board based on their criteria for

certain positions. And as we talked about the arm length, the size, the height, the way, but this draft class outside a corner tight end as well, there's a ton of out wires and the receiver positions probably the number one that you look at and you're like, man, none of these guys you're prototypical outside of like a Quintin Johnston, none of them are your prototypical heightweight, speed profile that you're accustomed to see that The thing that that it's

just kind of got me thrown for loop is you know the quarterback at Alabama, you know he measures into five ten, small, but he but he wins. I mean you you, I can't tell you how many times I've watched that two thirty game on CBS and seeing him and what the Texas game last year where it's like he's such a calm and we're talking about young the Alabama quarterback. He's such a calm player, and I'm kind of thinking he's been in so many huge games and it's just been so easy for him, and you kind

of get a little bit mesmerized watching him play. And I get a little bit mesmerized watching flowers and downs. You can include Scott from Cincinnati the wide receiver to Parker Washington. Parker Washington, I could buried him to Steve Smith, that that that shorter, bulkier kind of guy that kind

of was catching everything. But I don't know, And I know a lot of people are talking about with Cancy the defensive tackle from Pittsburgh, you know, and I there's a side of me that believes that he might be there at twenty six when you pick and do you you, I mean you're kind of looking at me like Brian, You're you're you're coming from Mars. No. I think that you're right. I mean, I've seen he's a guy that

tested so well. It seems like he's just right. But he's six foot but and to me, like the comp is Aaron Donald, right, because he's went to the same same school and he's also small. Yeah, he's not Aaron Donald. No. I think it's unfair to the players that I don't see as many splash plays. I don't see him playing in the opponent's backfield all afternoon like you saw Aaron Donald.

He is fun and he can kick out and give you some rush on the edge too, if you wanted to play him as an end sum you know, and maybe kick a bigger body inside on a running down or something like that. At defensive tackle. He's intriguing because I think the Cowboys can always use help in the middle of the defensive line, and they haven't necessarily hit on some of these other guys like Nevill Gallimore. Right, this is a big year for him. Can he step up?

And now Osadzu has been fantastic for them, But I wonder, you know, for them, especially on the defensive line. We've seen that might be an area where they're stubborn and they're not going to take a guy because he's too small. Yeah, but it receiver. I think this is going to be a permanent change moving forward. Okay, So the way you look at it and again, we try to be a

one stop shop when it comes to DRAP. But we'll focus on the cowboys here at twenty six, of the outly guys, of the outlier guys, and I'm gonna include Forbes in that outlier guy. Bit okay at corner at quarter because he's tall, but he's one hundred and sixty six, super skinny guy. Yeah, okay, you've got no shot of getting young. You're not in the quarterback. We'll eliminate that. Yeah,

we'll eliminate that one. Yeah. No, and they wouldn't. But if the outlier guys, if they had to take an outlier guy at twenty six, give me the outlier guy that you would take at twenty six, I would definitely take Emmanuel Forbes. The two that I would take at twenty six are Emmanuel Forbes and Za Flowers. And I love Forbes. To me when when you see a guy

that played in the SEC, that's big boy football. Yeah, and he played against the last two years, he played against some exceptional receivers and you don't see him even though he's super skinny. It didn't see him get bullied around a ton by receivers. And he's a guy that'll throw his body in there. He'll play physical, and he does look skinny. I mean he's got that long, tall frame. But I watched him and I was thinking, Man, I think dan Quinn would fall in love with this guy

because everything else he fits the prototype. When you look at the length, the height, the ability to disrupt receiver. I think he's absolutely fantastic. He's my number two corner in the entire draft, behind Joey Porter Junior. I had him ahead of Christian Gonzalez now Gonzalez throughout the entire process, and I've talked about this. Yeah, he's grown on me a lot. Sure, you know, because you'll see that he's so smooth. Oh, he's so smooth, and he's also a

big boy. But Forbes, I would have no hesitation to me, the tape outweighs the skinniness for him to where I'm not scared about it, and I didn't see that being leading into injuries, which I think would be probably the biggest reason why you worry about that. One does he get bullied by receivers? Two? Is he an injury prone guy because of the lack of size and the answers to me or no, So I'm okay with that. The other z A. Flowers pound for pound, you could make

a case he's the best receiver in the class. Yeah, I know you like Jackson Smith and jib I do high estate and with Zay Flowers at Boston College. I just, man, I hear what you're saying about Forbes. I absolutely and I totally agree with you on that. I think if I had to take an outlier guy, I would take. Zay Flowers is who I would take. And I just

just looking at my notes. The first thing I said is a really fun player to study, And I mean it's he's just got rare quickness about him, and he can make defenders look so silly in the open field. He's going one hundred miles an hour, then he stops on a dime, and he's got this keen sense of how to play big and very small spots, and you know when he's like in tight quarters and stuff like that. I would give me, give me if you're gonna give

me a five nine, one eighty two pound guy. Okay, let me ask you this, would you put would you put Jalen Hyatt at six foot one seventy six in that outwire group? Just because he's skinny, just because he's really skinny. We did it with Forbes, we did. I don't think I think I think High it's fine. Yeah, I didn't notice like a ton of like Marvin Mims might fall in the cant Marvin Mims. There you go. But I don't think you're taking him at twenty No, not at twenty six. But I would have no hesitation

on Hyatt. I think that Hyatt's no brainer to me. High It's become my second, my number two receiver. Yeah. I love Jalen Hyatt. He's a long strider, long legs tall. You know, he looks longer what he measures when he looks. He looks different on tape. He sure does. Yeah. But za Za plays big. That's the thing. Like you don't see the size being an issue for him. There's balls where it's like, man, he has no business going to get that ball's his. He attacks the football in the air.

He will find a way to just go up there and pluck it all oft for a five nine frame. Sometimes he gets that thing to where he looks like he's sixs one out there. You know, I thought he was kind of a cross. You mentioned Steve Smith earlier. I think he's a smaller but more explosives to Fon Diggs was kind of what I saw. Or you could compare the Steve Smith because of the size. Well, I just was thinking Steve Smith because of Washington, because the

body type. But he's shorter and he's like two. You know, he's got a thick lower body. Thick lower body. Yeah, I see exactly what you're saying there. But Zay Is I mean to me, you know, maybe he'll wait for the ball to come to him sometimes, but the balance, the body control, you know, he's got good hands. He just goes and he goes, and he can play outside. Like That's the thing I think for these teams, are they slot only players who've talked about that earlier or

can they play outside? People were worried about that with Marvin Mims. I watched him. I think Marvin's fine play both. I think he's fine and and the reason is is because of his foot quickness off the line. I think that he's got a really good ability to just go get off without him being touched, right, so even if he's playing against a press corner, I think his quickness and his shiftingness off the line and dells that way. Used to watch him play. I mean the moves off

those thing. I think he'll be okay. Yeah, I think he'll be fun. And I feel the same way about Zay. I mean he moved all around the formation at BC. I think that's dude. I wouldn't hesitate to pick. Well, this is this is going to be an interesting draft for a lot of teams of where they slot these outliers and where you know and you'll you'll get And there's some teams that coaching staffs will figure out ways to use these guys and they'll have really nice careers.

Let me throw this one at you. The one that I might not take is Josh Downs. Okay, Downs is the one that I don't think is quite in the in the same category as these guys. I think Josh Downs is kind of a slot only, specialty type of player, playmaker that you can have fun with. He was a fun player to watch. I don't know that he's a guy that could win on the outside. Yeah, he's a guy you see a lot of plays down the field. Yeah with him, I mean it's about the separation and

him and that's North Carolina. Josh Downs. North Carolina, North Carolina. Yeah, they good route runner, good route runner, and and good quarterback thrown to the ball by the way. Sure may is, but to me he was definitely best out of the slot. He might be a slot only kind of guy. Well, the Cowboys and other teams around the league as they get to the end, we're working through these pro days, and once the pro days over, these teams are gonna

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the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, let's do one of my favorite segments that we do. I want to thank all the guys, the ed K Hills and everybody here who helped us start this. It is a little Twitter on the twenty twenty, twenty twenty. All right, here we go with some little bit of some Twitter on the twenty. I usually have these questions ready to go, and I did have a question. I did have a question about one of the centers came up and this is from Tim Webb. Tim Tim Webb.

Tim Webb asked this. He said, Uh, thoughts on Joe tip Tipman from Wisconsin? Could he start a guard and move the center if Tyler leaves next season? What do you think about Joe Tipman? So Wisconsin Tipman, it has the size to do that. But I saw him get stood up at the line against bigger defensive tackles and typically, you know Wisconsin, you love you love their lineman, right, They've just got a history of producing good lineman. I didn't see him get a lot of movement, but he is.

He's a competitive son of a gun, that guy. He's always working good run blocker, doesn't lose ground, but and always getting that knockback that you want. Sure as an offensive lineman he can get to the second level. I thought he worked the combo blocks well with the guard next to him. Seemed like a smart football player. Can get around and pull, but he's not super quick, so you don't want him to have to go to That's

the one thing for me. If he kicked him outside to guard, does he have the athleticism to be able to pull and get out in space? If you wanted to kick him over, and he's a guy. To me. In my notes, I put he does end up on the ground quite a bit and that annoyed me. Yeah, I think the thing with him, he's a tall guy. He's six six, he's three thirteen, and so maybe you worry about that a little bit at guard with the knee bind and stuff like that. I think this guy

plays a little tall. And yeah, there are times when this guy gets a little ragdald and I mean ragdal like defenders grab him, yeah, and they shake him right, and you talk about him being on the ground, but I mean there's that he's just not gonna draw his guy off the ball. I mean, he could be a good blocker when he has the angle or the down blocks or things like that, he'll shield this guy from the ball. But his and I think you hit the

nail on the head. His balance tends to come and go as a blocker, and I don't know if that is so when he plays with his bass, yeah, and he's able to get set, he's good and he's able to show his power off. But otherwise you're right, like he'll get twisted around while blocking and he calls him to lose his footing. Yeah, he'll have a little trouble

to him. The second level. He could be just a step late, and sometimes that's because his balance gets askew and then he's trying to fight and then you see the linebacker clear on him and stuff like that. So anyway, but thank you for that question. It was a good question. All right. Jay wants to know and he's saying, tell people why you would draft Gibbs or Bijean Robinson. The first people seem to think you can get the same exact player in later rounds and he put a l

ol on that. Yeah, are those I mean, those are the two top backs that I have. Those are the top two. And then there's a there's a gap from me, Okay, give me, give me your best. Do you have a third round back that you really like? Third rounder? Yeah, Roshan Johnson out of Texas. Okay, and then to me, ty Jay Spears out of two lane, and you know that you know that I love him. I'm talking give the folks. Give the folks a little thumbnail on each one of those players. Okay. So Roshan Johnson out of

Texas thick legs. To me, he's a three down back. He can run between the tackles, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and he can stay in. He shows good blitz pick up in awareness. I think his best football is ahead of him. He's a guy that was a converted quarterback to running back there at Texas. He's not the fastest guy, but he shows enough elusiveness to make people miss tough runner. I think he's a good athlete. He shows the ability to hurdle, which we're

gonna miss now that Zeke's gone. Yeah, but he can be a really good value pick in this draft. We worked in a tandem back with Bijon there at Texas, so there's not a lot of wear and tear, not a lot of mileage like a guy like zach Scharbonat out of UCLA right, which might be a concern for some teams. And I love Sharbonay, but this is a dude that I think you're gonna get pretty fresh sometimes. The vision was a little bit of a question for me.

I saw him maybe take a wrong running lane where maybe he had a chance for a bigger play, but you know, he'll try and kick it outside. He doesn't always have the speed to get to the edge instead of just turning it up inside. But that might have just been me being a little nitpicky on the guy, trying to find a flaw. But I liked him a lot, Spears. I mean, look, I think anybody that's gonna watch him against UCLA is gonna fall in love with the kid, right.

But I watched him against against USC excuse me against I watched him versus USC Houston and Cincinnati. The Cincinnati game was that championship game. He played in every game I saw him, he was the best player on the football field. He was a workhorse back for them. He's a playmaker. He's shifty, he's elusive, he's got home run ability. He's got a toughness about him, even though he's kind of a smaller framed guy. He runs with an attitude, is not shy away from contact, which I absolutely loved.

And to me, he's got good balance, good vision. Can beat you outside, can beat you inside. I loved his play temperament. He was always finishing. I think he's got some third down value as a receiver as well, and he played big in the biggest moments. They needed a game winning type of play. They looked at Ty je Spears. If you needed a back and you wanted to wait till the third round and he's there, I would have an absolute party. Yeah, I man, I think you got

both those guys nailed. The one guy that I would like folks to consider, and I think I've said this name before, is Kenny macintosh from Georgia. Yeah, is one, and I know you know everything about him screams complete back and it's the ability to run, the ability to finish, the toughness. He's got size, he's six foot, he's two oh four, he's quick, he's elusive, and he catches the ball really well. You see big time plays down the field with this guy. And I like the backs that

you mentioned. Spears to me as fast and eight because you're watching him play against USC and it's like this, keep handing him the ball and you know, and and he's kind of you know, they had to throw to get back in that game. But this guy makes big time place. You see him. You see him you know, running with the ball and and and and making and finishing runs, and you know, the championship games, the games that they had to have in order to win the conference and stuff like that. So it was it was

a really really good thing. I think you got both those guys right with that. Um this comes from uh from alf And have you looked at Tyler Scott we Cincinnati? Yeah? Is you know? To me the question he's asking, I believe is because we were talking about all the outlier guys, and I kind of think that Tyler Smith might be

an outlier guy himself just with a size. But if you had a choice, like I say, well, okay, tell me what you think about Tyler Scott actually liked would he be a better better choice if we're looking for one of those those shorter receivers. So I like Scott more than I like Downs. You know, I think he can find holes in the zone, sits well, you know, it goes ahead and just so he'll wait for the ball. I think he can go deep. He's a good route runner,

moves all around the formation. He's another one of those guys like a Jalen height. He's got long legs, doesn't have elite speed, but he finds a way to win. And he gets enough separation to go ahead and stack to the cornerback to allow himself to make the play on the ball. He can make plays after the catch. If you play off of him, he's gonna kill you.

He reads coverages well. In my opinion, he did have some drops, but he seems to have overall solid hands and he tracks the ball well in the air where my notes on Scott, I like the player quite a bit him Anna Wiley on that Cincinnati offense. We're both fun watches for me. Yeah, I think that to me when you talk about Tyler, Scotty's six foot, he's one

hundred and seventy seven pounds out of Cincinnati. The thing about him is he is a really smooth route runner in and out of breaks, really really quick, no wasted motion at all. You're right, he could put a defender in a bad spot right off the snap, and you know, he does a great job of driving at the defender, getting him off balance and then coming back to the ball,

so he's able to create that space. You know, I think the I think alf was asking in a relationship of Scott or with Tank Dell that kind of you know, I think I would go with Scott yea, even though I think Tank Dell is. I mean, I see the playmaker, I see the speed, the excitement there. But I think Tyler Scott has a little less bust potential between the

two and the other thing. It's just the Turpin thing scares me, right, And I know they haven't figured that out that no. And I think Dell is a better player than Turpin when it comes to just being a receiver. I think he's a better pure receiver than Kavante Turpin showed in college. But I like Tyler Scott quite a bit. If you wanted to take a flower on one of the flyer on one of these guys outside around one, He's at the top of my list of guys that I would probably take. Are there any of these? Is

there's any one of these? Okay, we're focusing like on these the positions with some of the wide receivers and stuff like that. Just okay, Now talking with the cowboy angle here is do you think they're still in the market for one of these veteran receivers? And I'm not hearing as positive about you know, we'll see what happens with the guy in Arizona with trade. I mean, I don't want to mention the name, but everybody kind of

knows who I'm talking about. But where do you think they are on the veteran receiver, and where if they should they should they now that they've got a corner, you know with Gilmore, should that keep them from drafting a corner at twenty six? Or if they get one of these wide receivers through free agency or a trade,

should that keep them from drafting a wide receiver. I think the thing that I've loved most about the Cowboys is and maybe last year with Tyler Smith, they kind of zero didn't on a guy and said, look, we need a lineman. We like him a lot. If we don't take him here, we're not going to get the player. So you know, maybe that was a guy where they didn't let the board necessarily fall to them and take player available. It ended up being a smash home run pick.

You know, Tyler's fantastic. I love the way it plays the game, and his rookie year was great. The only time that I've really questioned was you know, Taco. I feel like was a pick where they said, we need a defensive end. He's the guy that fits all the profiles. We're going to take him. Otherwise, I think the Cowboys do an excellent job of putting themselves in a position on draft night. Where they filled a lot of their holes and they can let the board fall to them.

And at twenty six in this draft, and we mentioned yesterday, maybe a receiver. If they decide, hey, we need to go get a receiver, you might need to move up to go get that guy, because I can see a run right before they end up picking. But I think that they need to add a veteran, there's no question

about it. But they're still in a position where I think you could take a wide receiver or a corner at twenty six, and if that's the best player on your board, even alignment, I don't think there's any position that they think, oh my gosh, we can't take this guy because we're so stacked here. I think you can take any position. But they desperately needed wide receiver help. It's the same thing with tight end. Right, a lot of fans when we talked about tight end, it's like,

why why do they need to tight end? You got fergus shot, right, got Ferguson and hender shot. Well, you add another one of these guys. These are all this is a rare tight end class and you talk about just adding a pass catcher that might be the best player that you have available that's better than some of these wide receivers. And Dak loves to go middle of the field to the tight end. So how are you helping your quarterback go ahead and do that. So I think the Cowboys are in a good place to let

the board fall to them. And just because they made the move for Gilmore, I think you could still take a corner even if they were to add or make a trade for a receiver. I think you could still take a wide receiver because I don't know how long that receiver could be here. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think you're in a situation where I think the things I know about Will McClay and I feel like

I know Will pretty well. I don't know everything. Every Will's followed me in Jacksonville and then he followed me here, And you know, I mean Will's outstanding at what he does. He really really is, I mean highly respected. I think he's got a good take on all these players and stuff, very organized the way bills, his boards and stuff like that. I always know that Will likes to protect himself, you know, I know he likes to you know, when you go out and you make the trade for a Gilmore, you

go out and you sign somebody. You know, he's always trying to say, Okay, I going to get a veteran guy here. But I don't think it. I don't think it keeps him from going and getting one of these guys. I know, whether it's you know, I really do feel like at twenty six you got to let that board come to you. They've done a good job with that and they've hit on first rounders doing it. I just

don't see them. And we did that exercise yesterday where we started to look at, you know, where wide receivers are, where why you know, where could the first wide receiver go? Could you know, could it go to the Texans at twelve? I just don't see the Cowboys moving up for you know, I see them saying, Okay, who is the best wide receiver, Who is the best tight end, Who is the best running back left? Who is the best cornerback, who's the

best defensive lineman. I could see them like looking at their board and just taking whoever that best guy is. So let me ask you this. If it's if Zay Flowers is the best receiver left, Emmanuel Forbes is the best corner left, which one you're taken or do they go with one of the tight ends if there's one there instead, and they just say, we're not messing with this. Damn,

you're making me feel bad. Now, you're making me have to feel about you said you mentioned the tight end, right, yeah, okay, let's say you know can because I said, okay, Kaid's there, you know you're you're top Guy's my mayor? Right, I'll say it's it's it's mayor. Mayor's there. Okay, there, Zay Flower. Okay, I've got a first round grade on me me just looking at my board. If I gave somebody a first round grade, my intent is to take you. I'm not

gonna wind address my board. Got you if if if for example, okay, say it was say it was Johnston from TCU Mayor and then you know, maybe one of the corners like we were talking about Florbes or something like that. I got Johnston and Mayor both in the first round. I think I'm taking Johnston, okay, is when I'm taking the wide receiver from TC And that's probably because receivers just thin compared to the other positions. I just think, like, to me, I feel like, like I

say it, I don't think it's that. I just that I if the way I would stack them, if you know, when I go one to one ninety, yeah, I think I'm gonna have Johnson over Mayor. Do you think the criticism for Quinton Johnston has been fair? Seems like this kid's being picked apart right now. And I don't see a lot of the stuff in the knocks that people are putting on him. No. Absolutely, this guy. This guy

can make plays down the field. You watch him. There's a reason why TCU got to the National Championship game. They were good on defense, Their offensive line blocked well, the quarterback was out standing, was a Heisman finalist, and then they had a really good runner, you know, and then the wide receiver. Yeah, they had good players. Man. The thing that is a little bit, like I said,

it's these wide receivers. Usually they're plug and play, and but the Cowboys saw last year, you know, their third round was not a plug in play. You know, that's one of those things you kind of worry about a little bit. So all right, well, thank everybody for the questions on Twitter. On the twenty. When we come back, I'm gonna try and make Zach feel a little bit more uncomfortable like he just did me. We'll do that next on the Draft Show. I'm Dak Prescott, quarterback of

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Carter's trying to get to the Cowboys at twenty six. Boy, would that be fun But it was funny in the second round. Yeah, I think that it's funny because Jim Naggy, our buddy for who is director of the Senior Bowl, one of the great guys in the league, a great scout, Super Bowl winning scout himself. M he you know, people are asking him about janlen Carter's workout at Georgia, and it just you know, you know, he put on a lot of weight, well a lot of weight, nine pounds,

it's quite a bit. And what two weeks? Yeah, two weeks? And then he also I'm capable of it too. He looked really, really sluggish, and he didn't do any of the combine and he knew yesterday was you know, when you're at the combine and you tell the world, I'm just gonna hear, you know, And he was going back and forth two because of something you're you're gonna there's

an update about this off the field stuff. But before you get to that, though, my man is struggling with a lot of things in his life and and I mean this in the struggle of you know, trying to kind of get things going the right direction here before the draft. He's got some news. Go ahead and read the news. So this is from us Seth Emerson of the Athletic who reported that Jalen Carter entered a deal

with Athens Clark County solicitors. According to his lawyer, he has pled no contest and he's going to receive twelve months probation, pay a thousand dollars fine, and perform eighty hours of community service and finish a driving course. But there will be no jail time for Jalen Carter. Okay, So teams now have an understanding of where he's at. Again, I mentioned Jim Nagi, Naggi said yesterday because they were asking Naggie about about what they thought that, you know,

where he would go, would he be falling? Naggie says, everybody still got this guy in the top ten. He's the best player on the draft for me. See, that's that's the thing that's just completely scary to me this time of year. Yet you're trying to figure out we I know. I called some people yesterday, some of these football ops, guys and gals I know around college football.

The most terrifying thing to me is when you put your board together, and especially the way it is now, don't know the medical and I don't know all the

background stuff unless it's reported and so you know. And the one and I actually was talking Aisha Worsen about this morning, is when you're putting your board together and you don't know when a guy's sliding, when you when a guy is you have a guy in the third round, and all of a sudden it's the fifth round and you're sitting there going you know, and Kyle asked that question, well,

who's the best player on your board left? And it's somebody that you're you and you get to the point where you're like, I don't even want to say his name anymore because you know there's something there that you didn't know about. And I think that's the thing that all really the media scouts this time of year. You get a little anxious about that that like, Okay, I'm telling you guys, you need to draft this guy. Draft

this guy, draft this guy. And then all of a sudden he starts to slide, and then it's like, well what happened to so and so? And then you go back and you're like, man, this happened, This happened, This happened. I mean a low Collins was a really good example of that. Yeah, absolutely Loud Collins. You know with the Cowboys, I mean, the Cowboys sent people to Baton Rouge. You know,

a lot of rumor, a lot of speculation. You know, we don't have all the answers here, but at least we have some answers, you know, with Carter and his situation going forward. But you're you're you're not gonna You're not if you were top ten, I'm taking the kid. You're not even you're not even worried about it. Look if I mean, there are things like people are saying, like when Todd McShay said that about him really early

before the combine, Yeah, and everybody. And I'm kind of thinking like, man, if you're McShay, you don't say that. You have to say that, you you mean, But there's I mean, there's people that have called me up, Scouts have called me up and said I told you, man, I told you. And I'm like, going, all right, I

get it. Guy's not a great guy right now, right, you know, you got to feel comfortable with it, right if I meet with him and I don't feel a certain type of way after visiting with the individual, and I think that, you know, we can get his head in the right place. We can put a plan in a struggle sure for him to succeed within our organization. The Cowboys specifically have done this before. Yeah, I'm not going to hesitate because the talent is tremendous with a

Jalen Carter. It's rare that you find a player that athletic, that size and the quickest way to the quarterback is up the middle, and Jalen Carter is an outstanding football player. So for me, now I get it. Maybe the risk is too much. Maybe I meet with him and I feel like, now this kid's not he's not gonna get it. I think that he's a guy that you know, these issues are going to follow him to the next level.

If I feel that way, then then I go I think I'd passed in the top ten, but without knowing that. The talent to me outweighs the risk and I think the reward is far greater. Yeah, this guy, he's so impressive to watch on tape. You know, I get it. Man. There were times last year where we were watching all those guys you know that were they got drafted for George Off that day, the first National championship team, you know, and you're sitting there like, well, who's that number eighty eight?

Who's that guy? And then that happens to you a lot as a scout. You're watching, you're watching this tape and Jordan Davis last year, Yeah, yeah, who's the guy next to him? Yeah? Yeah? Who? You know, you're going, who is that guy? Who is that guy? And there'll be a lot of times you're sitting in that my experience, you're sitting in that draft room and it's real quiet, and you're watching the tape and you're sitting next to the guy that has that area and you lean over

you go, who's that number eighty eight? And he goes, he's he's a sophomore. Yeah, he'll be a junior next year. You'll you can watch him next year. You know that kind of thing. You get the whispering going on, and Jalen Carter's that kind of guy with me. But it's funny that there's all these people now or like, saying stuff about him. Though they're saying stuff, they're like, man, you need to dig in on this gat, you know, and it's unfortunate what happened to him. I'm glad he

put it behind him. But you you you wonder, you wonder how many more people in this draft or that that type of you know where you're gonna where we're watching the tape, we're watching the players and we're going, man, this guy's a great player, right, and then all of a sudden it comes out that, well, he had this against him and he had that. And that's that's the real danger about doing the job that we do here.

You know, it's putting these boards together and talking about it without And that's why I think that you know, it's best that you try and ask these teams if you know guys around the league, or you know these college guys. That's the one advantage that I do have for being as long as I have in this business that you can call those people up and say, hey, you know what's going on with my guys? You know what's going on with Eli Ricks at LSU it went to Alabama and stuff like that. I mean, you kind

of figure out some things along the way. Is what's the what's the thing what is you get ready for this first draft? For you what's the thing that makes you really the most nervous, the most it gives you apprehend about doing this job. I think some of it is, yes, the unknown of you know, the makeup and the character, because some of these guys like they want to the desire. How much do you love the game? Yeah? You know, the work ethic, that stuff. You don't know just by

watching the tape. I'm looking at a kid and saying, man, he's a freak athlete just because he's a freak athlete, and that helps him win in college. Everybody's a freak athlete at the NFL. Yeah, you know, that's not going to be enough to translate. Sometimes if a guy's not going to be willing to put in the work, I don't know that I want him. And I had that problem with Paxton Lynch. I had that problem with Paxton Lynch,

and people will will know that about me. When we were doing the quarterbacks and stuff, and if you're a fan of the Draft show, I didn't know that Paxson Lynch was the last in and first out guy. Yeah, I just saw a football player, you know, And you start to talk about how much does a guy really love football? Yeah, you know, I think that's the big issues that we deal with right now. Well, and how about a guy like Micah Michael Parsons. You know, a player you didn't get to see him rush the passer

in college. Shout out to the Cowboys and kudos to Dan Quinn. They've tapped into arguably the best pass rusher in the NFL or a top three to five guy by making that move and that transition to playing him at edge. But you saw him as predominantly an off ball linebacker. So when the Cowboys drafted him in the first round, I'm thinking, Manna, here we go, they're taking another off ball linebacker that I get super excited about it. No,

not at all. But the way that they've been able to make him an edge rusher and use him as a chess piece in a variety of different ways, he's turned into arguably the best defensive player in all the NFL. And that's something I don't think a lot of people were able to see leading up to that draft. Yeah, that's the thing when I because when the pick was made, I remember because of Slater and stuff like that, and yeah, I wanted Slater to Bolton from Missouri, the linebacker and

I was so upset that Sir Tan got taken. See was my my draft crush. I got a question for you there, Brian, on this Carter situation. Yeah, yeah, if he falls, he falls about Let's just say, I was just gonna ask this question. If Phi Philly has the number tenth pick, Yeah, do they take him or do they They're on the phone trying to get some more picks. They they've got, they've got. I was thinking, they've got

ten thirty and sixty two. So two in the first one and the second, yeah, and then one of the third, and then they don't they have two in the seven, so they have a long gap. I was sitting there thinking that if he falls to ten, yeah, knowing what they have, did they take him? Well, they just they just resigned Fletcher Cox. Yeah, but they lost Hargrave right right, So then you've got two Georgie guys next to each. Jordan Davis, Man, I'll tell you what I I thought

you were gonna ask the question. I thought you're gonna ask the question if he got past somebody at say he got past fifteen up, will you go You're gonna go? I think, yeah, you go? Is he the is he Okay, is he the only player in the draft that you would go for? You know I'm going for Jackson Smith and Jigba. We all know that I'm going for that guy. He's the best receiver in the draft. You need a receiver, Go get him. Would you run to the Star if

we picked him, they'll already be here. That's a Kyle Yeoman special. But but I'll do what every year? Would you would you? Would you go up for any of these corners? Porter, I'd go for Gonzales. Yeah, I'd go for Porter. I think Porter is the best guy. I go up for Porter. Otherwise I'd wait and let let's unless there's a run, which might happen, right, you get a run on these guys and you're like, man, you know Gonzalez is by far our best guy left. We

gotta go get him. Otherwise I'd probably stay at twenty six and just let the board fall to me. But I'd go up and go get Porter because I think he's gonna be that good. I think I think that it's interesting because and you you brought up and here in our final few minutes, you brought up the name Addison from USC Do you want to include him as an outlier guy. Yeah, he is. Because he's small, he's undersized. He definitely like six foot. He's not exactly like, he's

not Zay Flowers. He's not tanked Dell, but he's skinny. The thing about him is his route running ability is so good that he's able to win and he's able to get separation. But there are times like that's the dude I've got the concern with. You watch him against for Gen right, Nashon Wright's brother at Oregon State, six foot two, big long pisner. Yeah, he made his day or night I should say they played a night game. I think it was at Oregon State. He worked Jordan

Addison and that was a guy. At times, I think he can struggle to get off tight press coverage because he's a smaller player. But his route running so good. You watch him in certain games he just dominates, like against Utah before he got hurt in the regular season matchup. If he doesn't get injured, I don't think USC loses that football game. He was and that was against Clark Phillips, right, who is also going to be probably a second round pick from Utah, and he was. He was outstanding in

that football game. So Addison's very I got some questions about Addison. He's probably the one I have the toughest read on. He's my number one wide receiver and I and I that's my problem. That's my problem that I have. I have confidence in who I who I have my board, But there's that did I see this guy the right way? I mean, it's terrible to have a little doubt about because if you have doubt, you shouldn't have him on. You shouldn't have him as your best. You know what,

I've see him, I got Addison Johnson. You're right about Smith and Jigba. See the thing that worries me about Smith and Jigba is his health this last year. I get that, you know, is it is? It gonna be one of those things and I always am, I gonna have to I know it didn't happen to him before, but it happened to him last year. And I get that. And I think that's what a lot of people's issue is, just the soft tissue. I think he was he knew I'm NFL ready, yeah, and he tried to come back.

I got to go to that game against Iowa and watch them play live at the shoe. He tried to come back for that one, and you could tell he wasn't quite right and he retw the hamstring. From that point on, I think he just shut it down and said, I'm getting ready for the pros. Why am I coming to the realization there's not any players I would trade up for. I don't know. Do you think that maybe it's a lack of like, I don't know, I mean special, I don't. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm an

eat guys. I think you got a lot of good player. I think there's a lot of really good players. I think you mentioned Porter Gonzalez. I love Wilson from Texas Tech Edge, the Edge, I love Bijean Robinson, the quarterbacks. You know you're you're probably not gonna do anything. Why am I just gonna let this board come to me here? Yeah, because I think that you've got a lot of I think you got a lot of good players. I don't know that there's any guys that you're like, Man, that

dude's great, we gotta go get him. And to Beemer's point, Jalen Carter would be one of those guys like that's an elite talent. If he starts to fall, he's too good to let somebody else have. He needs to be ours thinking of pain. To Ron Payne, I had him like as a top four or five guy there that we hear he came out of Alabama and means at what's seventeen to the commanders, right, something like that. But I think, I mean, you got a point. I mean, so a lot of these guys are so close with

the receivers, with the corners. You know, the gap between these guys is not overly huge to where you're thinking, man, Okay, if if this guy gets taken, fine, we got a fallback option. Yeah. I'm just kind of it's it's it's fascinating as you as you guys and gals billage boards out there, just kind of think about who you got and then you know, be confident to put them in. I know there's some of these guys you're going to struggle with. You know, I'm struggling with some of these, uh,

these outliers. But that's what the draft shows all about. We'll figure it out, all right. That's uh, that's all our time for the day. Kind I could do this show all day, I really could. I loved talking about the Draft. But we'll be back next Wednesday here on the Draft Show to to once again. We'll be again one week closer. We'll be one week. We'll have some

of these pro days knocked out as well. Have an idea of some of these guys have improved some of their times, maybe some guys stood on some of their times from the combine, But we'll sort it all out for you, for my guy, for Zach Walchuk, for Chris Beam, for Aisha Morrison, Kyle Yeoman's Bobby Bell. Thank you guys for always letting us come in and we're always here to try and investigate and educate you guys, and we'll

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