Draft Show: Anything Can Happen

mothership back at the Star in Frisco. But we are ready to break down one what has been really kind of a crazy twelve hours for the NFL. As Urban Meyer is back in the Fray as a head coach, as he's going or at least finalizing a deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars, who by the way, have the first pick in the NFL Draft. Then Kelvin Moore apparently being requested for an interview for the Philadelphia Eagles, and I'm apparently broadcasting from the mountains now, which is something that

is different for all of us. But hey, it's the official draft season and anything can happen, so we are glad to be with you here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Kyle Yeoman's, Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, and Kevin kat Turner with you as always this crew every Thursday at ten am. But Dane, it really has been a crazy couple of hours throughout the NFL and really the college football season now in the rearview mirror. It's crazy to think about. But hey, it's draft season officially.

I know you've been in draft season for quite some time, we all have been, but officially for everyone, it's draft season at this point with college football season now being over with. Yeah, and it's an interesting point in the year because there's a lot of hirings and firings going on type of thing that will shape how Draft weekend plays out. You know, both with the Cowboys and around the NFL. You know these whether it's assistant coaches, head coaches,

you know, the new faces, the new names. That plays a part in how the draft will play out. So it's certainly something to pay attention to. Where only what a week and a half away from the Senior Bowl, we don't know what's gonna happen with the combine, so there's still a lot up in the air with what this draft season is going to look like. But it's going to make that more challenging, but all the more reason to kind of talk through it on this platform

and kind of have fun with it. Jeff, are you excited? Is there a little extra excitement whenever it comes to the fact that hey, there's you're kind of getting closer to these big events like the Senior Bowl. Of course the combines a bit on the horizon still, but is there a little added emphasis and maybe even anxiousness for you as a guy who covers the draft, but also maybe even a little bit for these front offices. I Mean, this year is just so much different. Like I don't

even know. I don't know what the Senior Bowl is gonna look like. We don't know if they're just going to be a line or what that's gonna look like. But yeah, it's always it's always fun. It's always exciting to get closer to it because I think the Senior Bowl it can be so important to players in terms of if you're a small school guy and what you can prove to NFL teams, or if you're considered a third day of the draft guy and you're going up against guys who are considered better than that and you

kick their butt all week. I always I love the Senior Bowl. The Combine's great, but I love the Senior Bowl because I think guys can make money at the Senior Bowl. So I'm excited about that. Katie, you got that anxiousness too a little bit with a crazy offseason like this. You know, for me, I think it's more in the realm of you know, draft season's always pretty

hot and heavy. It's it's when someone like a national pundit like Dane Brugler ignores the no fireworks sign and it's like, you know what, here's some snakes and sparklers and black cats. Here's my mock draft too. Like that's all you need is that's enough to get you to get you going and get your juice's phone a little bit. So ye see it. You can't stop looking at it and thinking about how you might do it, and maybe you're doing mock draft simulators online and things like that.

That's to me where it kind of I get more anxious for that. I guess I would say I'm more of a day to day guy. Then what event is going to happen in February? Because I don't know that's a good point, and really that's probably the best way to go about it. Right now in this offseason, it's day to day whenever it comes to the draft process. But you mentioned Dane's mock draft. We're gonna get to

that coming up here in a little bit. We're gonna talk about how Dane's mock draft on the Athletic You should go and read it, look through all of it. Really fantastic work from Dan as always, but it did provide a little bit of a spark and something that

was interesting, especially for the Cowboys. And we're gonna talk about it in the moment, But I do want to talk about the rumors surrounding kell and Moore, since we are the first show for Dallas Cowboys dot Com that has been on air since at least These rumors surfaced about an hour and a half before we went live here. But Jeff, when it comes to the Cowboys and Kellen Moore, I mean, this is a guy that last week or two weeks ago we were talking about maybe taking the

Boise State job. He elects to stay here, gets an extension, a big extension at that, and now he's apparently being rumored. If you're Kellen Moore, One do you go an interview for the job? And two what should you feel like if you're a Cowboys fan? Right now? I think there's only so many opportunities to be a head coach in the NFL, So if Kellen Moore has an opportunity to

interview for it, I would go take it. I couldn't imagine that one the Eagles would actually offer their head coaching job to somebody who would be a first time head coach that's still kind of young as a coordinator. I couldn't imagine that they would actually offer him the job.

And if I believe to myself and I was Kellen Moore, I wouldn't want that job either, because I think the Eagles opening is an absolute train wreck right now between where they are with the cap all they're old guys on that roster that are locked in for years, Like I don't that you don't know who your quarterback is or you're just hoping that Carson Wentz can become a

good quarterback again. So I think one the Eagles, I'd be shocked if they didn't offer their job to somebody with head coach experience or at least more coordinator experience. And two, if I'm Kellen Moore, I don't want that job because I think it's a setup. I don't think it's gonna go well. Catsey, Yeah no, No, there's two answers because the important thing in the story is requested permission.

So there's two answers that the Jones family has. Number one is nah, we're good, and then number two is do you think Kellen we could send you on this mission and you could find the deep dark secrets inside the Philadelphia facility? Can you find out what Roseman and Lurie are up to? It's more of that type of thing. If you send Kellen, you just don't let him have

that interview. He signed the contracts, so he's got to get permission, you know, unless you want to look like a good guy, say go chase your dreams and get the job. But I feel like I feel like this is it was a very odd thing to just come up out of nowhere. I will say this though, Philadelphia

might just be the team. It's like, you know what, there's enough, there's an enough steam, smoke and steam around uh, you know Kellen Moore, and in his future as a coach, they might I think they might offer him the job if they've got him in for an interview. I don't know if he's their number one candidate, but I don't think it's it's crazy to think that. But the answer if you're the Cowboys is no, you're not going to

interview for that job. Would just sign you do a deal? Dude? Now, since it's a head coaching job, it can't Kellen Moore go on his own or is that a flip flop if you are a head coach. I don't know the rules. Yeah, I don't think if they can't stop him. Yeah, coaching job if it's a promotion like that. But and if you're killing Moore, it's a good experience go in the interview. You know. I think if you're the Eagles, it makes sense because you've seen what that offense has done with

Dak Prescott. Uh, you know, you know, Jalen Hurts might be your future. There's some parallels there with those two quarterbacks. Maybe you know, you can can learn some a few things and so it's an interesting you know inner division, Uh, you know, relationship that is. I think, you know, if you're Kellen Moore, you have to take you have to go on that interview. I think it's good experience and if you're the Eagles, you can get some information, so

it's an interesting dynamic. Yeah, I ended up the last two minutes of what I said, and that's why I did the draft. I don't know the coaching rules. That's okay, that's how we roll here. But I think it is interesting. I mean, hey, maybe they're trying to steal Dak Prescott. Not just hey, it's a thing about Jalen Hurts and how he does line up with Dak Prescott. Maybe they're trying to steal Dak. Who knows. We'll see how that kind of ends up rolling. But I don't think it'll

ultimately turn into much. But I wouldn't be against Kellen Moore at least going and interviewing. That's great experience and a guy who, like you said, Jeff, initially, there's only a certain amount of head coaching jobs and opportunities to be a head coach. Why not take at least a

shot at one of them. Now, let's get into that two round mock draft that Dane put out on the Athletic CoA check it out as always, but starting things off, we're gonna go through kind of the top nine and talk through some of the highlights early on three quarterbacks in the first four picks. Right up at the top, of course, Trevor Lawrence going number one overall to Clemson or excuse me, to Jacksonville out of Clemson. Then you've got the Jets taking Zach Wilson, the quarterback out of BYU.

DeVante Smith is the first wide receiver and non quarterback off the board. He goes to the Miami Dolphins at three. Fields from Ohio State goes to the Falcons, and then it goes sewel Jamar Chase to the Eagles at six, Micah Parsons to the Lyons at seven. Carolina takes Trey Lance the fourth quarterback off the board, and then the Denver Broncos steel Klea Farley at nine, right before the

Cowboys go at ten. But Dane, I want you to introduce the Cowboys pick at number ten in your mock draft because I think it's one that's very interesting and an intriguing thought process. Whenever that day in April comes around, well, of course, Cowboys fans were unanimous in their love for this pick. No, actually they weren't. I went with Reshaun Slater offensive town call Northwestern, and you know, I first off, I want to say, look mock drafts, especially now in January.

It's about scenarios. It's not about this is who they're absolutely going to take or they should take. It's about laying out the scenarios. And when you look at the Cowboys I think Rashawn Slater is the perfect fit for what they need. He's a guy that can step in play guard right away. He can step in play left tackle, right tackle. It gives you a long term plan for life after tyring a left tackle, so you have so much position flexibility, and I feel like that it gets

thrown around a lot. He has realistic position versatility where he can play tackle or a guard and they're just he can step in from day one. He's NFL already technique wise, timing wise, discipline wise. So I think there's a lot going for Rashawn Slater that where you plug him into that offensive line and that fixes a lot of issues. Now, there are some Cowboys fans that will say, well, if it's not defense, I don't want to hear about it.

You know, it just it doesn't make any sense. And I get that something I'll say in defense of the pick, is it's not easy to find offensive lineman outside the first round. I think it's a lot easier to find linebackers, even a corner Trevon Diggs last year. I think it's easier to find guys in the secondary. It's easier on day two compared to an offensive lineman, especially a premier offensive lineman. So I think there'll be a lot of Cowboys fans that would balk at picking Slater, especially over

a Gila Certan out of Alabama. But I think that it's at least a conversation that the Cowboys need to have in terms of impact potential for how they can help this offense and gives them a plan for how to attack the defense on day two. I think it

makes a lot of sense. But Jeff, whenever there's a guy like certain on the board, you have every dt on the board, and there's guys like that, how much poudse does he give you going with the offensive side of the football, or does this pick make that much sense in order to make it a reality if it were to come to fruition. To me, it makes all the sense in the world. So I have no hesitation if they were to make a pick like that, even with the board looking exactly like it did, because I

was looking at this the other day. You're still counting on on the Cowboys offensive line. We talk about everything that's invested in it, but the guys who are still carrying your offensive line were drafted in the twenty eleven and the twenty fourteen draft, so a decade ago and seven years ago that Zack Martin and Tyron Smith. If you have the opportunity in the top ten to pick a guy that you love that's going to be a part of extending the run of having a really good

offensive line, then you pick him. If you think Rashawn Slater is a better prospect than Patrick Curtain, then you pick him. If you think Patrick Curtan is a better prospect than Rashawn Slater, then you pick him. You know I would just pick Look, you're in the top ten, don't screw the pickup. Whichever guy you think is a better player, they're going to help your team. They're going to get on the field, they're going to play. In Curtan's case, it would be as a starter, as a corner.

In Slater's case, it would be as a starter at either left guard or left tackle or wherever. So you know, you pick the best player. I get it. You want defense. There's also trading, there's free agency, there's six more rounds in the draft. You pick the best player. You're in the top ten. And I agree with Jeff. Look at a couple of things. Tyrant has missed multiple games the last few years, and the type of injury he has is a little jarring Lyle Collins obviously the type of

injury he has with a hip. I don't like hip injuries on my offensive tackles, right, So that's something to keep in mind. I think another thing to keep in mind that I liked what Dane did with this scenario is there's two good things that happened here. There's one at one of two things that happened here. When you're picking at ten, and this case, four quarterbacks go before

pick ten, pushing position players down. The thing that might be more alluring, and I know it is to captain trade down, would be if maybe that fourth quarterback made it to ten. Because man, I was looking at the fourteen playoff teams, men four of them might need new quarterbacks. Colts, Steelers, maybe Washington, Chicago, I mean, there are teams who are picking nineteen and up, and that's without looking at eleven

to eighteen. There are teams picking nineteen and up who might want to get up to ten and start developing Trey Lance or if it fields folds or whatever happens there. So having that quarterback stay could be beneficial to the Cowboys.

But overall, I do not disagree. I think the Cowboys front office two might have a little bit of I don't want to say Connor Williams regret, because it's not Connor Williams as a bust, but comparatively to their first round hits, that's a pretty recent thing in their head, like, hey, the second round or we drafted he's okay, but man, what if we knocked out a really good top flight officsive Ironman at ten. It's something I think this front

office might think about. Where do you guys feel about about Rashaun Slater and what he brings as a prospect, Dame, because I know there's a lot of tackles that are kind of in that second round prospect kind of like maybe what we saw from Connor Williams, And I don't want to bring up Texas just for the fact of

bringing up Texas. But there is a guy like Samuel Kazmi that'll probably be there in the second I mean Jalen Mayfield for Michigan, Christian derris Off for Virginia Tech, who's a pretty solid tackle that I know we've already talked about on this show. There are other tackles, But

why Slater above all of those guys up at number ten? Well, and like I stated earlier, I think that it's just easier to find tackles in the first I mean, if you're hoping one of those tackles falls in the second, I mean, maybe they will, but I mean there's a reason they fell that far, you know, and so many teams are tackle starved in the league, and so there's a reason they're available in the second round, and that

should give you a little bit of pause. But I think when you specifically a Rishawn Slater, I mean when you break down his tape and you know he doesn't have that elite size, but he's agile, he's stout, he's power packed, he doesn't allow rushers to go through him. He's very What I love most about Rashaan Slater is he is so quick to lock up pass rushers before they can do anything, before they can set up their moves, so he doesn't stray from his fundamentals. He's smart, technically sound.

I just everything says that this guy's a future starter. Enough, he's gonna get digging throughout the process because his arms are going to be about thirty two and three quarters and so he's gonna not hit that thirty three inch threshold that a lot of teams have. But you know, when you watch his film, you can't help but think. You know he can overcome that, no problem. And plus you get the factor you're going up against Chase Young

twice a year. We saw Rashaan Slater go up against Chase Young last year in Ohio State faced Northwestern and turned out Slater was the only tackle that could on the college level that could even remotely slow him down. So that has to give you a little bit of optimism moving forward. I love that pick, but whenever you look at the current state of this offensive line and you've got a couple tackles out, and of course I think long term, you want him to be your left tackle,

you want him to be your Tyrand Smith replacement. But Katie, it would Slater play guard first? Would he be at left guard initially? Is it just the versatility that you're excited about because he could come in and play immediately a guard and then ultimately move out to one of

the tackle spots whenever you needed him. I just feel like that's one of those things that can have a better answer for you, and you know in March or April, because you know, I just to me, it's flip a coin that Tyrd Smith is on this team next year. I mean fifty to fifty, whether it's retirement, whether it's cap casualty or whatever. I don't necessarily one hundred percent think he's here next year. And you know, we'll see that that's all gonna play out. I'm gonna find a

way to get him on the field. He's my number ten pick, though he will be starting for me. He's not a developmental guy. He's ready to go. You know, Dane menchened Chase Young twice a year. How about you guys watch the Bills a little bit, see aj epenessa flash a little bit. He handled Japanessa at Iowa back in twenty nineteen as well. I mean, Slater's ready to go. Um, I know he didn't play in twenty twenty. That's the one question mark you might have is what does he

look like now? What has he done? And everything you hear about him is he's a great dude, um and he's in he's in control of his body, all that stuff like, he's good to go, Katie. Here here's your assignment. Uh Rashawn's working out in Frisco right now, so just topping the car. Need you to sneak in, get some footage, see what the body's looking like. See how because he I talked to his trainer and he's working out a guard and center, so getting used to the body movement.

So I need you to get a little bit of footage of that he always doing. That's your assignment, right all right? Seeler, Yeah, I mean, if let's go and just get it done. Thanks buddy, appreciate you. But Jeff, do you feel like that's a realistic expectation is to be able to come in and play guard initially and do it successfully against the division that at least really the strengths of the teams, even though there maybe not be very strong teams, the front sevens are pretty stout. Yeah.

I think that's why I think his name there makes a lot of sense because of everything that Dane is talking about. I think Rashawn Slater versus Penney Sewell is a great debate at playing tackle. That's how good I

think his tape is a tackle. Now, the fact that people are going to consider him at Garden Center, it's just to me, it's just extra because if you're comparing his tackle tape to say, Christian dey Saw or Elijah Vera Tucker, or pick the names of other guys that you like that could be first round picks, Rashawn Slater's got better tape. He's the better player, and he's a guy that people are going to project to be And it's it's almost like a if you can play left tackle,

you play left tackle. So I think a lot of teams are kind of projecting it to like, well, I don't know if you can play left tackle, so he can do this, and they're gonna feel like, but he's going to be an all pro guard or he's gonna be an incredible guard. Yeah, but he's a better tackle prospect than the other tackles you could take in the first round. So that's why it makes sense because I'm planning for him to be my left tackle forever, but if he has to play guard, I think he's gonna

be awesome at it. I hope that's the case. I hope that's something that the Cowboys could look at moving into the draft process, and hopefully we get some insight from Katie here after this first commercial break on how how Slater's body's working. He looks great, He's in great shape, He's doing well good. I know you got in and out pretty quick. That was fantastic. Some other notes from the mock draft from Dame Rubler, of course, but I

thought it was interesting. One pick after the Cowboys took Slater, Kyle Pitts, the tied end from Florida, flies off the board and he goes straight to Division rival New York as the Giants pick him up, and then San Francisco. The pick right after that takes Patrick Sir Tan, the

cornerback out of Alabama. So two guys that at least have been thought about around the Cowboys have flown off the board one pick and two picks right afterwards, Dane, is that another thing that was kind of interesting is you could have gone offense in a couple ways you could have gone offensive tackle, but you also still had Kyle Pitts on the board there. Yeah, and you know I definitely considered it there at ten. You know, you look at it, Michael Gallup, He's entering a contract year.

Is it realistic you're going to be able to resign him when you've got you know, Amari with his contract and you eventually are thinking you're going to resign Ceedee Lamb And you know, maybe Kyle Pitts can slide in there and you know, really serve as a wide receiver for you. You know, Kyle Pitts. I think when you when you stack the players in this draft, good luck trying to find five players better than him. You know, just talent wise, he's that good. Um, It's just more

about how does he project to your offense? Do you have the creativity and the understanding of his strengths to implement his skills. Not every offensive coordinator is going to be up to that, um, But you know, I think he's going to be a terrific weapon. Where he ends up the Giants, I think that makes sense. They're missing that playmaker. He can be a Plexico Burrs for them.

He could be that playmaker for them. So I think it makes sense, even though Giants fans are a little a little gun shy after Evan Ingram has kind of been a disappointment after being a first round pick and then certain you know, he was the other consideration there for the for the Cowboys at ten and I you know, he had a good National Championship performance. Uh didn't see a lot of targets his way. I thought, uh, you know, he there were some open moments Fields just didn't see

him the receiver that Curtain was covering. I think when he runs in the four fives, that's when we're gonna hear a lot about Okay, is he fast enough to go top ten? And this and that, and that's gonna be a topic, a topic that's you know, we're gonna talk to death here. But there's there's no more NFL

ready corner in this draft than Patrick Surtain. I'm interested about that, and I know, Ja you kind of knox her Tan for that as well, potentially being a slower forty right, Yeah, and it not in a it's weird because when you start talking about guys that might go in the top ten, and you mentioned the things that you have concerns about you turn into a guy who

hates the player. Patrick Surtan's a really really good prospect, but yeah, I just I wonder like when they got down to the goal line there, and I think it was Garrett Wilson, they kind of gave him a little hesitation and ran a fade. If Fields sees that throws that it's an easy touchdown. And that's just that's my one thing about patrick's Urtan is how do you match up with guys that are shifty, nuanced rout runners in

man coverage. I think he's a really good prospect. I have questions about that aspect because I just don't know how fast and quick he is. He's really really good and I'd love to have him on the team, but those are my questions. The answer is hiring a new defensive coordinator or run a lot of Cover three, because I do think he's pretty perfect for that with what they're moving too. With a lot of cover three, Dan Quinn and Patrick Curtain's gonna be pretty ideal for that.

Richard Sherman did pretty good with his four to six something forty and a Cover three for his career, not comparing the two by the way. I don't want anyone to freak out or anything, but I think I think curtain makes a lot of sense in a cover three type situation. Katy's looking ahead on the rundown a little bit. We're gonna talk about that coming up here in this next segment. No, it was good, No, it was good.

It was a perfect analysis there, Katie. Final highlight that I thought I had from the from the mock draft. But Christian Barmore the first defensive tackle off the board. He goes off the board at twenty five, and I mean he's I think a fantastic player. He showed out again in the National Championship game and he just looks like a game changer. Dane. But Dane, was there a pick maybe after the Cowboys? That was your favorite fit of the draft? I don't want to really talk top ten.

I'm talking pretty much at anything after that. But was there anything that stuck out to you as this is the perfect fit, because I thought Barmore was pretty perfect there. Oh yeah, I think that that certainly fits. I mean there were a couple of Christian Derris out to the Chargers. I mean they need to protect Justin Herbert. I thought that was a great fit. Jalen Waddle to the Patriots.

We don't know what's going on at quarterback there, but we know they need playmakers, and Jalen Waddle is certainly a playmaker. You know, I thought there were definitely a few h you mentioned Barmore. Barmore's interesting because he's only a Richard sophomore. He hasn't officially declared yets with weight on that official decision, but you know, you could tell the second half of the year he's just getting better

and better and better. There's so much potential, there's so much ability that by the time the draft gets here, we might be talking about Barmore as a possibility at number ten because he's just so talented of a player and so a Barnmore's definitely a name to keep an eye on. There's two really unfair ones that Dane had on there. Chris Elave going to the Saints, another Ohio State guy crossed from Michael Thomas, and man Cadarius Tony from Florida the lade receiver to the Chiefs. Come on, man,

can the league have a chance? Give us a chance? I also like Naja Harris to the Bucks. I mean Bruce arians he is desperate, desperately wanting that pass catching back. Leonard Fournett's kind of filling that role this year, but you know, good chance he's not back next year. Naja Harris plug him in right there. This is a win now team. You know that window is closing at a player like Naja Harris in the first round, and just I think that'd be just another boost to that offense.

I also like green Bay picking up Davian Nixon, the defensive tackle out of Iowa at thirty one. I think him being an interior presence for that green Bay defense would be something really exciting to see. Now, all of the playoffs shifting and kind of the way that things are going to work out from the playoffs will change these picks around. But I like what you you had going there day whenever it comes to some of these

late round guys. Even Joseph A said, the edge rusher out of Texas going to Baltimore, that's scary too, I think, and seeing him with the Ravens would be something very entertaining. Okay, let's step aside. When we come back twitter on the twenty, are the Cowboys looking at a specific type of defender? Now with Dan Quinn in the mix, and what does that defender look like when we return here on the

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Is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show back here with the second segment of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, one hundred and four days until the NFL Draft on April twenty nine, twenty twenty one, in Cleveland, and it's time now for some twitter on the twenty on the twenty of course, Chris Beam always doing great work back there at the Star in Frisco. We're gonna start things off with you, Jeff. I want Jeff Cavanaugh to take the stage here with this early question, and

this comes from Shane. Shane says, what are the type of defenders that dan Quinn, new defensive coordinator for the Cowboys might be looking at in this up coming drafts? Specifically at linebacker in the cornerback spot after all the first rounders are gone. But I kind of want to throw the first round in there too, because we talked about a little bit of Patrick's or Tan a little bit ago with Kat. But what kind of specific players are we're looking to throw into that cover three scheme

with dan Quinn? Well, I think you just you mentioned it. If you're picturing the dan Quinn Seattle, then you're talking about four down linemen, you're talking about a lot of Cover three. You're talking about a free safety who can cover a ton of ground and fix mistakes there on the back end. But I don't think that's very much different than what they would have been looking for anyway. Like the entire league is looking for a free safety

that can get sideline to sideline and cover ground. The entire league is looking for corners that are long and can run and can play the ball. So I actually don't think I mean, I guess it's technically different than if it were Mike Nolan, and you might have been looking for something a little bit different, But I don't think it's all that different than what you might have been looking for if say Rod Marinelli and Chris Richard were still here. You'd love to find a free safety.

You'd love to find a corner that's tall, long, fast, and can play the ball in the air. Linebacker, I think your two might be on the roster. But defensive line, you're probably looking for guys that are capable of playing the run on the way to rushing the passer as opposed to just shooting gaps. But that's just top of my head what I think that That's what I think

of when I think of Dan Quinn defenses. Is those things Katy, Well, yeah, And I think it was very interesting And I didn't know this to find out that dan Quinn had quite a bit more say in Atlanta from a personnel standpoint than just going and being the head coach. That was kind of enlightening because I didn't know. I didn't know that that if I had the hiden more safe. You take a look back at his draft history, this might make Jeff excited some Cowboys fans excited just

a few things that he's done. I think back to twenty eighteen, in the third round, he took Deetrons, not a big defensive tackles. That tells you the third round he's not He wasn't scared to spend a premium pick. And I know it's not just him making the calls, right, but he had a big say in personnel in Atlanta. So the investment in a one technique defensive tackle might

be something He did. Try to take a lot of, you know, long cornerbacks Isaiah Oliver in twenty eighteen, you know Jalen Collins back in his first year in twenty fifteen, and that was the year that they drafted both Vic Beasley and Grady Jarrett, who's all pro of course, but like they spent a lot of resources on defense in his time there in Atlanta, and just for some reason, you just weren't able to get that defense to be, you know, one of the upper tier defenses in the league.

And that's a little frustrating and maybe a little concerning, would you look at it. But you know, players make this happen, not coaches, and that's the most important thing to think about, is like the players just gotta be good.

I really, I really feel better about Donovan Wilson's role here now if your plan is to do a lot of Cover three, and again we don't know, Dan quib maybe making some sneaky adjustments, but if you're gonna play a lot of cover three, getting a lot of safety up near the line of scrimmage, I feel much better about Donovan Wilson's prospects as a starter on this team

moving forward. Dan, Yeah, you know, I think that's something that we've learned, you know, the last five seven years, is the Cowboys front office, how willing they've been to draft, specifically for the attitude of the coaches and what exactly they're looking for. Whether you know, and that doll hasn't always worked out, you know, talking about you know a Taco Charlton or the defensi Tago from UCF who has been so irrelevant already forgot his name, Crystal Hills, Yes,

Triston Hill. Uh you know obviously they that hasn't worked out, but the Cowboys front office has been very willing to, uh, you know, address the needs that best fit the scheme and what the coaches want. And I think when you look at this class, uh linebacker, there's some really intriguing mid round, you know, linebackers I think fit what coach Quinn wants to do. Um. One guy just down the

road at TCU, Garrett Wallow, number thirty. Uh. You know you turn on the TCU tape to watch the safeties, but there's number thirty just running around like his head cut off, just hitting dudes. Very very active player it Uh. You know there's sometimes that leads over pursuit and being too aggressive, but you love that active play style. Tony Fields at West Virginia is another one who a little undersized, but he can run and that you're looking for that speed.

So um, you know I've done you know, I've talked with coach Quinn before, and I've really enjoyed our talks because he he's a coach that gets it um, He's a he's a thinking type of coach. You know. One thing that really stood out to me, you know, when I talked to him before, has been his understanding of what wins on offense and you know, trying to limit

that and the biggest thing or explosive plays. He understands that how to try what you have to do to try to stop those explosive plays, and that's what you have to do to win on defense in today's NFL. So I think it's a great hire and I'm looking forward to seeing how that will manifest itself on the draft. That's something you have to do successfully as a defensive coordinator is understand the offensive game and how it's evolved.

And I think that might be one of the big knocks against Dan Quinn during his time in Atlanta was the fact that, hey, he came from a defensive scheme and then hey, he figured out how to play a little bit of offense with Matt Ryan and company as a head coach, and then he tried to take the

defense back over. It didn't have any success. That's one of my big worries is how can he find a way to get back to that Seattle form of thinking and that Seattle's success of adjusting with the modern off fence and adjusting with these mobile quarterbacks that he's gonna have to deal with more so now than he had maybe back in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. So that's something that I think we'll have to look for and maybe go into the personnel that he ends up selecting

whenever he does get his first shot at it. Okay, So the second question comes from Randall. He says, what would be one scenario in the first round that would elicit a pin throw moment? Katie? Where would you just chuck that pin? If blank ended up happening in April? I think I know the player that Jeff is gonna say. I could be wrong, So I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm

gonna go away from that here. If for me, it would be if they just did something out of this world and did like maybe they reached for Dressau or maybe they reached for Vera Tucker from you USC or something like that. I'm saying again, I'm saving this for Jeff because I'm gonna give him the player that I think he's going to mention. But that would be the pin throw moment I think for me is if they reached for someone who was maybe the third, fourth, fifth

player at their position in the draft. When you're picking at ten and it's right there in front of you, time to do anything crazy, take the good player. That would a taco like situation, if you will. That would be the pin throw moment for me. I'll say this at ten, it's really hard to screw it up. Oh you could screw it up. If you picked Gregory Rousseau. I would say, Miami defensive end. He can't play. He's not good. He had eighteen sacks and he's not good.

So yeah, that's my guy. That's my guy. Dane's gonna mock him in the top half of the first round, so is everybody else. Everybody's gonna tell me he's so long and he's so athletic, and you're gonna watch him on tape just light up in the middle and run around to guard and guards in the NFL aren't gonna let you do that. And he doesn't win from the outside. And I don't know how athletic he is. He's just a tall dude that accidentally got a bunch of sacks

you don't want. Gregory Rousseau and the first room. I like him a little bit more than that, but I mean, I do agree with you. He's, you know, being a little bit overrated as a top half, a round one type of guy. When you look at it, there's probably only you know, one position that would be drafted ahead of the Cowboys that you know that would you know

they're not going to take, and that's wide receiver. You know, I don't think they're gonna draft the quarterback, but even a quarterback you would like to see there at number ten for those trade possibilities like Katie mentioned. So you know, if you see three wide receivers go off the board in the first nine picks, that's that, you know, that's the fake pen throw because you know you feel good that you're not taking receiver there. Every other position could

be on the board for them. Gregory Rosso six foot five, two hundred and sixty pounds and Dan you had him mock to fourteenth to Minnesota, So just four picks behind the Cowboys to Minnesota in your mock draft. The other day, do you, And you said he's a little bit overrated

for maybe a top half of the draft. But whenever you look at a guy like Rousseau, and I know we'll probably talk about him on multiple occasions, especially after he probably goes and lights up the combine, But is it more so just the prospect and the potential of that frame and that athleticism rather than maybe the tape that he already put out in college even though there was production. Yeah, And here's the thing is when you

factor in his journey. He was a wide receiver in high school and he moved to defensive end as a senior. As a Richard freshman, had all this production and then it didn't play this past year as a Richard sophomore. So you think his ceiling is going to be so much more And that's really where it's going to get interesting with the projection of a guy like Gregory Rousso. So it's it's definitely some risk, involved, a lot of risk.

I understand why someone are going to be intrigued, But the top half of round one, that's that's pretty rich to take a player like that. In my opinion, it's it's a little different because this player did not line up inside like Gregory roussetted, but kind of measurable wise, a little Leonard Floyd who went seventh a few years ago, and the Cowboys actually did have interest in a guy who struggled early in the league and has kind of

put it together as he's become a veteran. That's the whole thing, as a guy who had a year off in twenty twenty, Like, how do I know that he's gonna play lower, playing more consistently with his hands, uh, and not just win based on his physical traits? How do I know that that's difficult? That's you. You're a roll in the dice. If you're taking him at ten, that is just kind of out of this world, rolling the dice. But there will be guys who are in love with him. There will be teams who are in

love with him. Leonard Floyd could turn the corner. He was a good as Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rousseau can't do that. Rousseau is a linear, weird player. That's just tall and long, that's all he is. No, you're right, and I just about to think comparison from a measurable standpoint, thin tall, you know, around the same way and I think Floyd was a little bit about ten to fifteen pounds lighter than Rousseau. But like just where they were taken though,

the Cowboys. The Cowboys like Leonard Floyd. If you're to believe that Peter King article that came out where Peter King was in the war room that night in twenty sixteen, if you'll remember, the biggest thing that I think you worry about with a guy like Rousseau is there's some there's some similarities with him and Taco in terms of what Jeff is saying about being long and linear and not fully understanding how to use his skill set. And there's a little bit of that. Now Rousseau is a

little freakier and his ceilings a little higher. But that that's where the little bit of worry starts to creep in. Dane just buried Rousseau in the minds of every Cowboys fan that has ever listened to the Draft show. Because of comparing anybody compared to Taco, Charleton's ultimately going to end up writing them off and taking them off the

draft board. Okay, final question before we move on. Our friend Bertie on Twitter says, how do these potential first round corners compared to the previous years first round corners in terms of their early grades. Now, of course, none of the grades are complete right now at this point in the draft process, but Dame, when you look at kind of this year compared to past years, where do you have these corners slotted in with guys like Patrick Curtan and of course okay, with Farley and some of

those top prospects. And it's so tough to do this because it's hard to eliminate what we know about these corners at the NFL level. You know, it's hard to eliminate the year that Okuda had and CJ. Henderson and AJ Terrell and all these guys. I think Farley and Certan would probably be if they were in last year's draft, fighting with CJ. Henderson to be cornerback two behind Okuda,

So right there in that top ten conversation. You know, I think they're better prospects than you know, AJ Terrell Um and some of the corners that were drafted after that. So you know, it's it could be tough to do this type of exercise, but I do think that they'd be still in that top ten conversation fighting out to be the second corner drafted. Does that intrigue you, Katy? Uh? Yeah, I mean I again, Dave said, it's very difficult and for me, Um, maybe I'm losing my mind already. Some

of the years run together. I just pulled up my twenty seventeen draft board and it was really Latimore and everyone else and Tredevious Whites turned out to be the best cornerback of that group right there. I had it first run grade on him. Um, but I can't tell you that I think I'd have a higher grade on based on my films study, a higher grade on Farley in certain than I did on Tredevious White. Um. But I'm also a guy who liked tease Tabors so kill me,

you know. So wow, Yeah, that's a lot. That's a little harsh. Yeah, I agree. I think if I don't even have all the names in front of me right now, but if you go back like when Denzel Ward was coming out, or Marshaun Lattimore or Jalen Ramsey last year, Jeff Okuda, all of those guys I would have ahead of where you have Sir Tan and Farley, and yeah, those guys would be it would be okay. C J. Henderson versus sur tan and they would be very different, and it would be very close, and I might have

Henderson ahead. But yeah, that's you know what. Each year, I think there's been a guy that I would think is a close to elite corner prospect, and I wouldn't have Sir Tanner Farley ahead of any of those guys. I think you can make some pretty close comparisons between Farley and CJ. Henderson. I think they you know, good sized athletes, you know good speed. They're discipline is something that needs to be improved, but I think they're pretty

similar players. Yeah, I don't see either one of these guys classified, like Jeff said, as an elite corner from back prospect. They're both really really good and they deserve to be in the top fifteen conversation. But I think overall, when you look at kind of the film study between guys like a Denzel Award in the past or a Jeff o'cuda last year, I know those are both Ohio State guys, but still it's not necessarily that same level.

Even a Lattimore back in the past. Those guys that continue to be elite prospects after coming out of school. I don't see Farley Orcertan up to that level. But CJ. Henderson, I like what you kind of through out there, Dane, whenever it comes to those two guys, at least whenever it comes to Farley as the comparison there. But that's

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glad you've been with us. Thanks again to all of those who sent in there and Twitter on the twenty questions, and we're gonna go into the second round mock draft here from Dame Brugler in the Athletic and kind of

talk about what he had for the Cowboys at forty four. Now, there was a bit of a run of edge rushers right before the Cowboys selecting at forty four, So three from three edge rushers taken from forty through forty three right before that Dallas pick, and Dallas ends up taking TCU free safety Trayvon Moig, a guy who I know, Jeff, you're very high on, but you're not even as high on him as maybe even his teammate and Darius Washington.

But overall, what did you think about the pick? Mister Kavanaugh and kind of where the Cowboys went here in the second round, the highest they would have picked the safety since two thousand and two. That works for me, I think marig is. I think he's a he's a really good prospect. I think he's one of the top two safeties in this draft. He alluded to it. I

actually prefer his five foot eight teammate. I think I think our Darius Washington's only weaknesses that he's five foot eight, and I think he's got I think he's a quicker reactor. I think he's got better instincts. I think he's a better man and zone coverage guy than his own teammate. But there's something good about being six one six two over two hundred pounds and being a good safety prospect. Then I'll probably get him picked before Washington. But yeah,

you nailed it. I like our Darius Washington. He's my guy. I like my tiny guy. Dane did The fact that there was a bit of an edge rusher run right at the top of the forties kind of deter you away from the Cowboys maybe making a pick like an ad rusher there. Well, you know, I think the Cowboys, obviously if they especially they go offensive line in the first round. Um, you know, I think it's fair to say they're going defense in the second round and edge rusher,

defensive tackle, linebacker, corner, safety. I mean, they could go any of those positions, right, So it really opens it up to going with the best player available there on defense. And when you look at it, I thought I'd be going corner just because that looks like it could be a need area, especially for a starter. But with no safety's drafted up to that point, and you know, Xavier Woods.

You know, we all love the pick with the value that we got with Woods, but safe to say I don't think he's the future of that position for the Cowboys. You know, a chance to go get the top free safety in the draft, that's certainly appealing with Morick and you know, you you alluded to. I was kind of surprised this would be the highest that they draft since Roy Williams that draft a position. So you have to

wonder how much of a philosophy is it. We know this team does not believe in drafting nose tackle was early, which I agree with. I get. Do they have a you know, a tendency to look at safety the same way, you know, just their drafting history would say maybe, And so you know, would they consider a safety at this point he even knew Byron Jones he was a first rounder, played plenty of safety, even though I think they draft

him to be a corner. So you know, we have to look at it, and they have plenty of opportunities for a corner, for a safety. Here ed Rusher that you mentioned, there was a little bit of a run on the first few picks ahead of it. Maybe that's a direction they go. So if they go offensive line, they've got a lot of different avenues they could explore in that second round. The swear it gets fun is

because Dane did it on a mock draft. You can now question everything Dane did and just like we do after real drafts and even looking at drafts from the history, do you go, who could they have gotten after that?

Should they have done this? And about two picks later and Dane's mock draft at pick forty six, he's got in New England taking Levi on Woosery, the DT from Washington, who I would have you know, if we're just ranking, I'm here, I would have him graded higher than moreg And I don't dislike moreg I don't have a safety graded in the top two rounds yet this year, still working, you know, and hoping that someone does pop up there, but this year a little different. So for me, I'm

fine it to pick there though. I like what Dan did. I like the idea of the team actually taking the position seriously, but it picked forty four. Just looking at who went afterwards in this scenario and Dan's mock draft, I would be going in another direction. I think this team has to address defensive tackle. I think they I think it's a big leap of faith to go Antoine Woods, Tristan Hill, and the Bill Gallimore justin Hamilton. You're my guys, go get it, you know, and they'll try to do

some things in freehency and all that stuff. But that's kind of the direction i'd be looking in this scenario. And you know, just because we're talking about this thing's on the draft show, I wanted to pick a different player too. No, I feel that, and I'm right there with you. I love what Dane's thinking here with the combination, especially if you go offense in the first round with

an offensive tackle. I love the pairing of bow Rig playing that free safety and allowing Donovan Wilson to play the strong and kind of a bruiser role in dan Quinn's defense. I would love that and I think it'd be a great pairing between the two. Now, the one question I did have, Dane is the fact that there were no corners. Like you said, you could have gone corner there, but that's still a position that has not been addressed in the first two rounds. I know Farley

Sertans off the board. JC Horn from South Carolina is not there anymore. I know Tyson Campbell from Georgia was off the board, and so was a Sante Samuel Jr. From Florida State. But why did you go with safety rather than corner in the secondary. Was it just the fact of a better prospect there or is there just not as much safety or excuse me, corner depth that would have intrigue the Cowboys to maybe spend the top two round pick on. No. I mean, I think there's

enough corners. I think I had nine total corners going in the first two rounds, which is a lot. I think there will be corners there that they'll consider. One name to keep an eye on that I think could be in the mix for the Cowboys based off of what they do. Uh. He FATU melifon Wu. Uh, Katy, I know you've looked at him out of Syracuse, Jeff, not sure if you have yet. Uh, just a you know, we know about his older brother, Obie when he blew up to combine at a Yukon a couple of years

years ago. He's still floating around the league. U melifon Wu, He's He's a big framed corner who is twitchy. Uh, He's fluid, He's got length, he's got speed. I think he's more reactive than instinctive. But when you have those traits, uh, you know you can He's got that loose muscle twitch, he can accelerate on command. Um. You know, the instinctive part of the game is still catching up in terms of his route recognition, finding the football, those types of things.

But there's a lot to work with with melifon Wu. And I think that he could in play there with the Cowboys second pick there. And I think keep in mind that the Cowboys met with his brother when he was a free agent after he had been released, and maybe they met with him in the draft as well

if he was one of the visits going back. I don't know how much time they spoi with him, but when he was a free agent looking for a job, the Cowboys brought him in for a visit, and I remember the feedback that I had heard, and it was kind of whispers that were getting around and media circles.

Was kind of like, yeah, it just feels like his brother, ob he just doesn't care about football as much as you know, we'd like, so you might have to you know, there might be some questions that you asked about about that with this kid. But I hate saying that i'mbout a kid I don't even know, right, but that was a thing with his brother, and I think that's that's important to know. There are times when you watch the Syracuse tape, I like it when when the actions on

I like it. There are times when run played at the opposite side of the field, and you know when the white receiver to spread offense just kind of takes the playoff where he's kind of with the wide receiver there and he's kind of taking the playoff too. But it's not like concerning. It's just like, Okay, there's a run play to the complete other side of the field. And he's just kind of melded in a few times. Just notice that a couple times nothing to nothing to

go freak out about. But man, you start putting one and two together with oh, I heard some things about us brother and it's like, well, no, he's a different human than his brothers, so don't okay, But I still have to think about the things, and those are stuff that scouts are gonna do. You know, they're gonna ask those questions. So I think that that's sometime I'm going to be watching for with Melipon was how he interviews with teams and things like that. But his tape is good, man,

his tape's great. Katie. That's one of the things I love about you in your draft process. And Dan, you do this quite a bit as well, of course, and all of your work, but you look really into the person. And I know last year we had a couple of guys like that where you were saying, oh, off the field issues and maybe there's a character or maybe even a drive sort of deal. And I think that's very important because that's exactly what teams are looking at, that's

what front offices are searching after. And you kind of get the background on it now, Jeff, whenever it comes to the Cowboys not taking a linebacker, defensive tackle, or corner in the first two rounds instead going with the safety, going with an offensive tackle, I know there are a lot of holes, but those are three really really big holes on that defense that aren't addressed. How much does that worry you? I think the best teams know that

there are multiple avenues to improving your team. So like in this scenario in Dan's mock, if you ever shown Slater is the best player available at number ten, you pick him. If you get to the second round and your best player available is Travon Morrig, then you pick him because that's also a position to need for this team, and then you just have to figure it out. I mean that's and they'll do this in free agency before the draft. They will sign a corner, they will probably

sign a safety, they will sign a d tackle. They'll be capable of playing football without the draft, and then hopefully you can pick your best players and you can make it work. I mean, it's it's just look, this team, no matter what they go in the first two rounds, if you don't talk about what they're gonna do in free agency or what they're gonna do after or trades. They can't fix this defense. This defense needs at least one corner, at least one safety, at least one d tackle.

I'd think about a linebacker, and you probably need to double dip at one or two of those spots. So it doesn't even matter which routes they go. You cannot fix or make a great defense out of this roster in one draft. Can't do it. Yeah, Casey, No, No, Jeff Schreiden, It's like it's just not gonna happen. We all want them to go all defense or a lot of account offense. I think want them to go all

defense in Carolina. And it's also we always forget about like not forget about it, but like we're do the draft shows, so we're talking about the draft, but this team doesn't. Free agency is going to be important to their plan. They can't strike out in free agency like they did last year. They just hand happen. I know. So that's freak bad luck with Gerald McCoy. They just can't happen. And then I think that's something that well, I'll have our eyes on because hey, it's it's our job.

We're following the team here day. Yeah, and I think there's only so much you can do through the draft. You know, they have a few extra picks on day or you know, after the first two rounds, so you know, you can address some of those and it will be interesting what they do in free agency that will shape what they do in the draft. It'll be also interesting

to see how their board shapes up. So if they feel like they can get a linebacker later on, then that's going to shape how they look at linebacker in the first two rounds. If you can get into Garrett Wallow in the fourth round and they feel really good about that, then maybe that you know, they don't really strongly consider a linebacker in the first two rounds, but maybe they don't find that linebacker. And Zaven Collins is you know, a guy that I've brought up before as

a guy I know they really like. So it's and you know, I think with Zaven Collins, he and we talk about that Seattle defense. Okay, plug him in. He's your kJ Wright and you feel good about that. So they're just so many different directions they can go. And I mean to the other points mentioned, free agency will certainly shape the Hey, I'm glad you mentioned kJ right, kJ Wright, also Bruce Irvin and also Richard Sherman, all

free agents. Just telling that out there, just damn you want to make it the legion of Boom two point zero down here in Dallas. Just kind of lone star legion of Boom. Oh. I like that. I like that. That sounds pretty legion of boomers because they're old. Oh that's good. That's even more so. I like that the legions Boomers coming to Arlington. This is fantastic. If you're thirty five and still clinging on to an NFL career, come on down to Dallas. Come on, Gerald McCoy, come on, everybody,

let's get a part of it. Forget the draft. Let's just sign everybody in free agency. All right, that'll do it for us. Here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show once again, and all these guys back Thursdays, ten am Central Time on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and

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