Draft Show: Adapting On The Fly

two weeks, fourteen days. The countdown sits just over a couple of weeks away from the twenty twenty NFL Draft, and we're bringing you all the coverage that you need and trying to sit through exactly what this offseason looks like for the Dallas Cowboys whenever it comes to the virtuality of the NFL Draft. I've got Dave Hellman, Kevin Turner back again. Jeff Cavanall is back with us as well. So love having Jeff back. Missed you last week. Of course,

Bucky Brooks filling in and doing a great job. But Jeff is Captain Trade Down, still tooting this horn quite a bit. Captain Trade Down Lives, Captain Trade Down Rise, Captain Trade Down and going anywhere, not doing anywhere. Katie, are you you on that same train. Are we team forty Burger still or what are we trying to figure out? Down here? Tell me who's on the board and then I'll let you know how I feel about it. I really don't know. There's so many things in the middle

of the first round. There's so many things that can happen, good or bad, waiting on guys to fall to you. I'm as more flexible than I've ever been, and that's all that's because I've been doing a lot of at home yoga. Because I haven't I'll go to the gym. Nice you do you have a matt in like a like a phone roller or are you just kind of just doing it wherever? Oh? Yeah, I got a matt, got the phone roller, got some dumbbells. Thanks, thanks for

going good Man, get a real tone. I feel like Hellman could do some yoga and meditate a little bit. I try. I might be the least flexible person in the entire world, so like yoga for me is just like trying to touch my toes. But you gotta do what you gotta do in these trade times, and I saw you were tweeting about Grant Delpot a little bit ago. You had like kind of a mock pro day yesterday. Is that kind of putting you up on Grant Delpot

at the safety position? Yet you're LSU Tiger honest. I mean I expected him to kill his pro day, I know. I mean, he didn't get to have a real one, but it's clear that the guy is a freak athlete. It doesn't change my opinion. Maybe it opened some people's eyes, but yeah, I mean he's he's a freak. I knew

that would happen. I'm seventeen. Not so much just because of the position, probably, but like you know, if Captain trade down over there and wants to trade back to like twenty four or twenty five and grab him, I'm down with that. That's fine with me. Kavanaugh, Are you a fan of delpat Yeah? I like Delpa I know the whole world hates him now and says that he can't tackle, and yeah, he's got tackling issues, But Grant

Delpha's going to be a really good NFL player. I feel like you're kind of on that train early we went, and I mean it, I think it's still something that needs to be considered, but it's the it's the same line of logic that I've had since the combine, which is I just don't see the Cowboys front office valuing the position enough to take him at seventeen. I guess it's possible, but I'd be kind of surprised, but I do.

I don't think you should forget the name. And yeah, I agree with Jeff like I think the narrative is so far out of control on Delpa, Like he's a good player and he does have some tackling issues, but people act like the guy sucks. That's just not true. I would also say that the signing of Haha, Clinton Dix makes safety a less pressing need than maybe it was when we started talking about him. I'm not saying ignore the position like they've done for years. I'm just

saying it's not like something I held. Oh my god, look at the well now that you signed how Clinton Dix, him and Xavier Woods and then whatever else, you're running back there like you need a safety, but you don't need it like you need something else. So it's very hard for me to justify taking delp it if I don't have him graded higher than someone else that I might need at seventeen. That being said, he's still my highest ranked safety. I'm not as high on Xavier McKinney

as I think the rest of the world is. But again, you know, a safety in the top twenty in this draft seems a little rich overall in my estimation. What I would ask is what do they need? Because it's like, oh, you know, you don't need a safety because of haha Clinton Dicks. Okay, well then, and I don't need a one technique because of don Terry pol I don't need a three technique because of Gerald McCoy. And maybe I don't need a right defensive end because Randy Gregory will

get reinstated and Alton Smith and Tyron Crawford. I think, I think they've done a good job of filling up the row to where they could go play. The problem is they haven't done a good enough job the last few years of drafting and developing good players. So they

need everything, it's just not they need it tomorrow. So that's I think that's why you just stick with who's the best player, bailble, And when that best player bailble, a seven team turns out that all three receivers are gone and John Kenlog's gone and C. J. Henderson's gone, that's from captain trade down, hops in the saddle, and

we get the riding, baby, that's when we ride. And I feel like we kind of talked about this a little bit last week, and I would have loved to hear Kavanaugh's captain trade doown moment a week ago as well. But with all of the moves that the Cowboys have made this offseason, it's made it extremely easy for them to look at potentially the best player available, whether it's seventeen or potential trade down scenarios kind of what we've been talking about over the course of the Draft show

this season. So I feel like they're kind of lining themselves up with a little bit of a safety net with those offseason additions. That way, whenever it comes to draft time, you can add top notch talent for cheap prices and try and move on from there. But talking about the draft, specifically virtual draft coming up, and we kind of expected this to happen now, the news kind of rain down a little bit heavier before after last week's show that the draft will be all virtual, it

will be conducted from the different homes. But now as we've kind of gotten through a couple of days of hearing about this virtual draft. We've now heard about some of the concerns surrounding the network ability and the setting up and the IT professionals being in homes. What are some of the issues that you guys either see as legitimate concerns moving forward with the virtual draft, or even just kind of something that you might think could potentially arise.

I think that the thing I look most forward to is seeing which team has a complete melt down, like grid goes down, somebody losing their WiFi and they moved to action. Then we have to wait forty five minutes for the Minnesota Ikes to make a pick something like that. So that's gonna be awesome. And I also wonder, because I saw the EA is gonna make all of the virtual players, so they're gonna walk across and like hug

the commissioner and stuff. Do you ask the players how they want they're hug to look because maybe they don't like you though, maybe they want to do a fist bump. And so with that being all virtual, I also know that when we get to the sixth and seven rounds, they're gonna pick players somebody is that they're not ready for and so we're gonna have a generic guy walk across stage. Yes, Oh, they're not gonna do animations for all two hundred and fifty players, right, I mean just

just the first round today? Well, I mean they don't, you know, six round picks don't get to walk across the stage. They just get a call while they're at home watching TV. So deal with it. That's true. I just I mean, I can't agree with Jeff, Like, twelve guys in their twenties can't go through a fantasy football

draft without complications. So I have a hard time believing thirty two front offices are gonna be able to get through this without connectivity issues, not to mention like NFL front offices is like it's like Boomer Central, Like you're talking about a bunch of guys in their forties, fifties, and sixties who like, don't know that much about technology. I think this thing's gonna be a mess. I think it's gonna be straight chaos too, Like Jeff was talking

about trapping Cadet. I'm sorry, Captain trade Down had a stroke live on air. Captain Captain trade Down getting in the saddle and ride. No such. So we're gonna we're gonna zoom FaceTime skype, call another team and then also get it relayed to the to the NFL and due time. Like that, that's all gonna be smooth. Trade negotiations and trades are gonna be smooth. I don't think so. I also think what it's where this is really gonna cause, um full on chaos is going to be after the

draft for the undrafted free agency process. Yeah, connecting with all these agents and players here emotional because they didn't get drafted is going to be really wild. And you're also trying to get a deal done quickly. I like this guy. We shouldn't draft him in the seventh but I liked him and we didn't, So call him, call him, call him. Well, he's got four offers, but he's on the phone and he's only got one stream. Oh god, oh no. See, I think that's gonna be like super chaotic.

I'm gonna be honest, like as fans, I think we all need the draft. I just don't understand why we couldn't push this back another month and see and yeah, if you have to do it this way in May, that's how it is. But this makes more sense for everyone Besides the fans and the commissioner and the owners to do this a month from now, or try to do this a month from now. Roger don't got time. No KT, Roger don't have time for you. Roger says, Hey, that's my spotlight. The dates are locked in. I'm doing

NFL stough. The owners, the g don't even want this right doing it. And that's the thing that's bs Roger. Everyone has time. Everyone has more time than they've ever had in the entire world. You have time to wait and see if you can do this in a way that's a little more I guess, I would say correct, a little more traditional than what we're trying here. Um I do I do for the sake of the fans.

I admire that this is happening, because I mean, I think I'm with we're all in the same boat here, and I think we're all excited about the draft happening. But I just you're you're opening up yourself to be exposed to some uh some issues if by doing this so quickly and kind of being in my opinion a little bit a little bit arrogant about maybe not moving it back a few weeks. Oh, it's way more than a little bit arrogant, but back to your your your

free agent thing. So when the draft ends, normally they'll have all these different guys that were in the same room. We'll all be calling free agents trying to lock something in, and when they get it locked in, you just walk back in the room. You're like, hey, we got this guy locked in. That's okay, duct that Adam Pacifico from our pool. And then all right, who else was walking in it already got a guy committed, We got that committed.

Now imagine all of that being done from Zoom. When you call a hundred twelve guys all calling players, all trying to get back to the same person to let them know, hey, I got a guy locked in. We've done this. It is going to be an absolute cluster bleep. And I like it because I like I'm a fan of chaos. It is going to be chaos. But if there is one positive I guess going forward about having the connectibility in the zooms and like David said a

minute ago, saying that it's Boomer Central. Whenever it comes to all of these front offices trying to figure out Zoom and web Ax insert software here, they're at least getting some practice in it because the Dallas Cowboys have had their virtual meetings. They're having these meetings with these specific players. Now there's nothing you can do about the chaos of the undrafted free agents. Now every team is going to be going through that. It's not just gonna

be Dallas. But like you said, Jeff, it's gonna be Chaost no matter what. But there have been a list of names that are slowly but surely working their way out of people that the Dallas Cowboys have talked to. I've got a list in front of me, and these are guys that have been confirmed to talk to the Cowboys.

Zach Bond Wisconsin, Jalin Hurts from Oklahoma, his teammate from Oklahoma, Kenneth Murray Ray Kwon Davis out of Alabama, Marlon Davidson out of Auburn, the defensive tackle, defensive end kind of tweeter, Christian Fulton corner from LSU, Denzel Mims the wide receiver from Baylor, Justin Mattabek from Texas A and m Austin Hall the Memphis linebacker. Another linebacker being talked to, James Lynch out of Baylor. Then you've got Cordell Wagwu, I

believe is how you say his name. The TCU offensive guard Curtis Weaver, and Te Higgins, the wide receiver from Clemson. Those are the guys that have had conversations with the Cowboys. So just off of that short list, and now this is just probably scratching the surface on who the Cowboys have actually talked to, because there's got to be fifty players at least by the end of this process that they will have talked to, and there's only about twelve

guys on this list. What do you take out of kind of a makeup of positions, kind of being targeted with this list? And is this something that you can legitimately look at as targets for the draft? Here's go ahead. Well, no,

you go ahead, Jeffrey. I'm interested in that they've talked to Zach Vaughn and I'm interested in that they've talked to Kenneth Murray because those guys to me are both captain trade down options and Zach Vaughn, especially if anybody doesn't know the Wisconsin linebacker Slash Edge is like he's basically if maybe it compares him to t J. Watt, they're wrong, but he's like a T. J. Watt Light. He's a little bit smaller, he's a little bit less athletic, but he's a guy that can rush the pastor he

has the tools to do that. He has the tools to be an off the ball linebacker, and that's the sort of player that in the past the Cowboys have been like, oh no, not for us, really, So it's interesting that they talked to him, And it's interesting that they talked to Kenneth Murray, who's going to be a

first round pick that plays off the ball linebacker. Knowing where they are, and I wonder what that says about this team and how they feel only twelve months into a certain contract extension with a certain player, and how they really feel about Layton Vanderesh's health, either now or long term. So those two names are the ones that jumped out to me because what it might mean about what the team says, I just I guess My thing is I worry about overreacting, and I mean, I'm it's

awesome that we have the names. It's really cool, you know, me and Kyle who work for Dallas Cowboys dot com. It's really cool that the front office is letting us have access to these phone calls, not only letting us see who they want to talk to, but what these interviews are actually Like, it's really cool content, But I think people need to keep in mind a couple of things. One, the NFL hasn't put a limit on the number of

these calls that teams can make. And two, this is all pretty standard stuff during a normal draft cycle, we just don't get to see it. So obviously you've got your thirty names on the thirty visit. We know those are big. They love to draft guys from that list. But during a regular draft cycle, they go to pro days, coaches and scouts go do private workouts, like the number of private workouts where the head coach will send a position coach down to Texas A and M, or they'll

go to Iowa, like wherever they want to go. Like, they can go do that, they can work out whoever the hell they want to and ninety eight percent of the time it never makes it into the public consciousness. So and then you've got Dallas Day where any prospect within like a sixty radius of DFW can come in and it doesn't count toward the visitor list. So every single year the Cowboys get hands on FaceTime with hundreds of prospects, and it doesn't really narrow down what they're doing.

I think this is similar because again there's no limit on these zoom calls. So, like I said, I do think it's interesting and they're definitely talking to some positions that you would expect them to. But I just worry about people overreacting that these names that are coming out are definitively like at the top of the draft board,

because I'm not convinced that's the case. Yeah, I think it's it's a little harder to know this year than maybe in year's past, where sometimes these thirty visits would get leaked out. Now that these thirty visits aren't happening, there were some again this is not confirmed reports. Those are not confirmed, but that have been like reported that

we're scheduled and three players who are of note. One is Rochardlore Savella Shoe you mentioned Kyle a minute ago, Kenneth Murray of Oklahoma and then also the tight end from UCLA, Devin Ossias, who who I know, Jeff likes a lot. He was a guy who was scheduled to be a thirty visit, but didn't you know obviously couldn't do that. I've heard some stuff on back channels just talking to people about Assias that we should be looking at him, maybe a little higher than people may think

he's gonna go. I mean, I got a fourth round grade on him, But I think the tight end class is such a toss up right now. Who's gonna go first, second, third, fourth off the board? A lot of people will think Assias maybe end up being the second or third tight end off the board, which maybe we haven't been talking about him in that regard, So you know, if you want to throw, tight end is maybe a need on

this team? My question mark? And I don't want to spend a lot of time on this because we're already late and need to get to Twitter on the twenties, but is your interior offensive line your biggest question mark on this football team right now? It might be I don't know what Connor Williams is. I don't know what Connor McGovern is. I know what Joe Looney is, and I like Joe Looney, but I also think I could

do better. So maybe my center and left guard situation is the biggest question mark on this football team right now. And I don't think I saw that coming two months ago. Well, I think other than corner you could probably put it up there. And you're gonna hear kind of the conversation of there's three replacements there, all three of the guys you just named, between Williams McGovern and then also Joe Looney.

But like you said, you could probably do better in each one of those spots depending on what McGovern and what Connor Williams end up being. But also go for it, Katie Well, I said, I'm sorry, Kyle katty Off. I know what I have at cornerback. I know I could do better there. I know what I have at cornerback. I got no clue what I have at center and left guard. I don't know what you have at cornerback, at least for twenty twenty, maybe not for twenty twenty one.

That's kind of the biggest question mark there is who are you going to put out there moving past this next season, because none of that is is set in stone by any of that means other than Anthony Brown. But kind of where I was going with that is going back to what Dave said as well, is you can't necessarily put all your chips in on each one of these visits or these telecasts or telecalls that you're

talking to these players on. You can't put your chips in on it, just because if they're getting released to the public, you kind of got to take it with a grain of salt, because you could be sending a message to the fact that maybe you're not as interested, maybe you don't want to play things close to the chest, So let's go ahead and release these. Let's go ahead and put these out on the internet to have some content and to be able to talk through and show that, hey,

we talk to this guy. It doesn't necessarily mean we're going to pick them now. You could, like we said, we don't know what's going on in the heads of these these scouting departments, in these front offices, but there's always that chance that they're putting this out there. For instance, Jalen Hurts from Oklahoma. You're not necessarily really searching for a quarterback that high. You could, but you also could

turn around and say, hey, we're not actually interested. Let's go ahead and release this and show we talked to Jalen Hurts. Overall, so plenty of conversations that have been had and that will be had over the future between the Cowboys and these draft prospects. Like Katie just said, we've got to get to Twitter on the twenty. Before we do that, I want to give you one quick reminder. Go online and pick up your copy, your digital copy of the twenty twenty Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine Draft Guide

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the questions. You can tag any one of us to ask these questions at Kyle Underscore, Yeoman's at Hellman DC for Dave Katie on tweets for KT down below me and then at JC one oh five three. So with these upcoming questions, hold up, I was I pulled it up on the wrong thing. Let me get back to I know I messed it up. I looked at the wrong one. Okay, So right now, this kind of goes back to what we were talking about a little bit

earlier with the holes on the defensive side. Whenever you're looking at pick seventeen, and this question comes from Brandon, it says with two major holes at right end in cornerback, which is the most likely to be filled appropriately in round one. You got to consider the influence of the other hole as well. So it's kind of that teeter totter, that balance between corner right defensive end, which one has a better chance of being filled solidly in round one?

Cornerback has more likely. Here's I'm gonna break news to you, guys. It's gonna make a lot of people very sad if you're filling your right defensive end need in the first round. My guests would meet would be that means that Calevan Chason made it to you and you picked him, And I think that's a boomer bust pick. Not that not that it can't move, but I think that's a boomer

bust pick. I don't think we have necessarily a big track record of production to look at with him, Like we're basically looking at his high end plays and his athleticism and projecting him to be an impact NFL player because this defensive end class is really lacking. It's the top end after Chase Young. So even if they pick him, that could be a miss. Whereas at corner, I think you've got a better chance. Maybe C. J. Henderson makes it, or maybe it's one of those guys in the next group.

And this is why captain trade doown exists because if the board goes away you don't like and you can find somebody that wants to come up, and you can move back six to tend then pick a name from a handful of them. And I feel pretty good about a corner that you can pick in the first round, and I just don't feel the way about the same

way about the defensive end. Okay, but you're cheating because even though I'm on board with captain trade down, it's I mean, you just can't bank on that happening at pick seventeen, Like you can't bank on there being a player available that somebody absolutely has to have to the point where they'll trade up with you. So, okay, who's safe or Christian Fulton or Calevan Chase on him? Well,

now that's what I was about to ask you. If if Henderson's gone, and I really think he will be, if Cia Henderson's gone, would you, I mean, you feel comfortable drafting Christian Fulton or even um Jeff Gladney at pick seventeen, would you do that? I would fake. I would fake a WiFi out inch until I could work my trade down I don't know, you're being up, You're

being you're by powered. I would okay, I would for Christian Fulton or Trey vob Digg Oh I forgot wow, Okay, Well, we need to find out how they feel about AJ Terrell or Terrell yea from Clemson? What need to find out how they feel about him because I think I think he needs to be in that conversation. I don't have him, I mean and that and that boat. I guess I would say of it's obviously Akuda Gladenee Henderson for me, and I know it's Henderson for most everyone else,

and then digs Fulton kind of in some order. I don't really don't have I have AJ Terrell on the outside looking in. But I think there's gonna be a lot of NFL teams that are enamored with AJ Terrell. And I think he's a name that we shouldn't be sleeping on. We should be talking about him a little bit because I think he's, you know, get the potential to go to twenty and someone might take a risk. I would take chase on. I would bet on the upside,

and if I lose, that's my fault. But pass Rusher I feel much better about in the first round than I do in round two. And by the way, the rest of the league knows that as well. I honestly think we're a little arrogant if we think Chase Soun's gonna be there at seventeen, because I think there's a really good chance he's not. This draft really reminds me, from an edge rusher standpoint of the twenty seventeen draft,

where Myles Garrett went off the top. You know, Sullivan Thomas if they call him a defensive and I think we might have had m graded as a three technique or a guy who might play inside a little bit. And then Derek Barnett was the next guy that went, and you're going, h don't know how I feel about

Derek Barnett, and he went at fourteen. And to me, the whole reason Derek Barnett went that high is because looking at the edge rushers in this draft, and I guess I have to do it because it's gonna be tough sled and if I don't do it now And I kind of feel that same way about this draft. So not only do I think the Cowboys should be nancy about defensive end at seventeen. I also think they're gonna be other teams maybe trying to trade up and get in front of them to go get that guy.

Because if you look at what Chason's done, the production does not stand out. Watching him on games, he does stand out as a player, But I think you sit there and go, man, I got a bet on this guy's age. He's young. I think the technique I can work on and get a little bit better, and I think he's got the juice. And I feel much better about Chason being on the roster with him than I would without him on opening day. Let's look at it that way. Everything I think he said is perfect, Like

Katie just laid it out perfectly. I get such absolutely, I get such strong twenty seventeen vibes, and I mean that's a bummer for Cowboy fans because the Cowboys screwed it up in twenty seventeen, But I think the logic is still sound, and I mean, yeah, I would ride with Chason's potential all day, especially because I think there's a handful of pretty solid cornerbacks you can find on day. Yeah, I feel like that kind of has to play into it as well. Is where the depth is going to be.

Whenever you look at day two, in day three, whenever it looks at edge rusher. Sure there's going to be a couple of guys out there, maybe not immediate starters, which might end up working out for you. Whenever you look at what you've done this offseason, depending on the

reinstatement of Randy Gregory and then also Aldon Smith. I mean, there's potential there of waiting and taking an edge rusher, But if you're really looking at upside and you're trying to go best player available, I feel like edge rusher would be there more so than corner. And that's of course saying like Dave said, C J. Henderson not being in the picture at seventeen And if you operate this,

I'm sorry, Dave, I'll be quick. If you operate this season as a Frandy Gregory now then Smith are going to be there, then you're not doing a good job of being a front office guy. You have to pretend those guys are not going to be there. It's the

realistic thing to do. Yeah, But I do think Kat you might have made the best point of all, which is that, like I can't sit here and say I'm calm, can't say I can't sit here and say I'm confident in all that Chase On I'll ee would be there because there just aren't that many options at pass rush, and a guy with that sort of athleticism doesn't tend

to hang around for very long. All right, next question, Russell Lowburger goes on and ask, and this is kind of going back to what we were just talking about, but instead of twenty seventeen, think about twenty nineteen's draft. If you were to create a team only from this draft class, how would it stack up against last year's draft class? And which team do you think would win

based off of the prospects that are there? Oh, some googles here if you're comparing, So if you're comparing this year to last year, this year's draft to last year's draft based on the prospects, which which class do you think would bet be better? I'm looking at it last year's draft, Nick Vosa, Quinnon Williams, Devin White and Devin Bush, Josh Allen, I mean from from they had better defensive ends for sure, But you want to put Hollywood Brown

and DK Metcalf up against Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Judy. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't. I mean, you gotta think about quarterbacks too, last year versus this year. This year's draft has the well and who are you vicking? Or? Would you take Joe Burrow or Kyler Murray? I think Kyler had a pretty good rookie year and the future looks pretty bright for him. This looks bright for Joe Burrow too, though. Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know which way I guess I

would lean to this year's quarterback class. But we can only play one of them, so it's Kyler against Burrow. The offensive line at tackle is going to be better this year than last year. Interior will be better last year than this year? Chief? Are you all aware? I totally I didn't even realize this. DeAndre Baker was the only cornerback taken in the first round last year. Yeah,

last year was pretty pretty bad quarterback draft. Although I mean you get you know, you get Byron Murphy and Rock your Sin were really early second round picks and they both had nice rookie years, So it's doable, Jeff said. The wide receiver, give me Hollywood Brown, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo, Samuel Look you go, those guys weren't first round picks.

So like the Sids, Hollywood Brown, like I can, I can make the case for last year over this year right now, um, and you know, just by counting it out and I just pull up my draft chart from last year. But if I'm looking at my first round grades, I'm confident that I had more first round grades last year than I this year. Yeah, I mean too, that's true. Okay, So overall, I see that I could see both kind of you got a give and take whenever it comes

to the classes in the positions. Overall, we got time for maybe one more question. We'll maybe try and get to two. So this is from Ty Davis and Jerry Jones, of course, being a University of Arkansas graduate, and there's a couple of Arkansas players coming out this year. What are their draft get grades? Impossible chances of them ending up in Dallas. And he's mainly asking about the tight end Chyenno Grady and then the defensive tackle McTelvin a

game who we talked about last week. Well, McTelvin a Jeames's he's really good Day three tach guy. Just the way he burst off the line. I mean I see a little you know, Malie Collins to his game. I think I might have mentioned that last week. I do worry about him as a run stopper. But I mean, we're talking about a guy who is asked to put on weight from defensive end to play inside of defensive tackle and provide it's a really good pass rush up

the middle. I really like even if you wanted to go fourth round on McTelvin agim, I would understand that and be on board with it. With Shyanne O'Grady, I mean to me, I think if you want to draft him in the sixth or seventh round, that's fine. I'm not a huge fan of his tape. And you know, you do see the tight end class. There's some names, but after you, this tight end class gets about seven or eight names. Deef, you sit there and go, Okay, do I really need to spend a draft pick on

this guy or not? Especially with me. I'll be quick for me being a guy too. It's I'm okay with doing away with the tight end position and just you know, just spreading him out so at ten personnel. Baby, Yeah, yeah, I don't see you. I don't see it with O'Grady. I do like a game though he was a late edition of the Senior Bowl and had a great week down there. I like him not so much the tight end. Keep in mind, like I feel like this comes up

a lot. Jerry Jones has only ever drafted one Arkansas player and it was Felix Jones, uh what twelve years ago, which not to say it's impossible, but like people act like he's just got this fascination with Arkansas players. It does not really bear out over the history of his tenure here and around. Will they take John stephen in when he's drafted undrafted free agent? Oh, Grady, by the way, has been suspended three different times and then quit. I

mean yeah, yeah, yeah, leave the team. More so than there's more than just his taint that's got me saying, yeah, no, thanks, yeah, no, he likes to well, okay, I should not say that. I'm gonna say please, no, no, you're gonna leave it. I'm not here to assassinate a person's character. But he has been on the record of like, hey, I don't want you like to practice, and uh, you know other stuff. He's known to be a bit immature. I feel like that's a fair thing to say, though I don't know.

Though it's public of opinion. He may have a great credit score. I don't know. And we'll go through one more quick question. Let's try and get through this in the next couple of seconds. So pick your favorite out of these first round, first two round combinations. C J Henderson or kJ Hamler. That's option one. Option two is Calvan Chason and Damon Armatt Arnette. And then you've got Jerry Judy or Curtis Weaver as your third option. Which

one are you taking and why I'll go. I'm gonna go Judy and Weaver, and it's just because of Judy because for me, he'll be a top ten player in this class. Weaver is my least favorite of those second round picks, but I think I'm gonna lean into the first round pick there. Although boy Chason and our Nette I would like as well. Who's Henderson with Hamiling's with kJ Hammler, your penns Dave Berner. He can't catch anything, but boy he can get open man, I would take

any one of those three. I'm gonna take Judy and Weaver just because of Jerry Judy. Okay, I agree, and I don't hate Curtis Weaver. He just scares me from like the athletic profile standpoint. But I actually think he's kind of a safe pick, to be honest. I know he didn't like go up against the greatest competition at Boise State. He had a surprising three code time. So I'm not as down on Curtis Weaver as the rest of the world. And I honestly kind of I mean,

at fifty one, what's the boards dried up? Especially at defensive in I don't have a problem with Curtis Weaver at fifty one. I mean, you have to tell me he's on the board at that time. Let's go Jerry Judy, he and Maury Cooper can both play in the slot, both play outside. Kind of mix it up a little bit, that Alabama connection. You almost go with Judy and Weaver. I'm with you, Jeff, Let's do that. What do you think day now? Boys are not on our side? I

guarantee I agree. I think y'all are absolutely nuts. And I say that as somebody who wants the Cowboys to draft a receiver. UW, how do you not take number two? And I like, I get it. I went to LSU everybody thinks I'm biased, but you're talking about one of

the highest upside prospects in Calevan Chason. You know he could buck Like I completely agree with that, but he also I think he's one of two players that really has potential to like blossom into a routine double digit SAT guy, along with Chase Young obviously, who they don't have a shot at. Um. He doesn't have to start right away because you do have Alden Smith and hopefully Randy Gregory, but he's got massive potential. And then Damon

Arnett is sneaky, you know. I know there's there's questions outside the field to answer with him, but like, if all of that checks out, he's so sneaky good, Like I would feel fantastic drafting him fifty one and you address like our probably the two biggest needs on the team and you can still Bill get your receiver in the third or fourth round. I think that would be

a best case scenario. Honestly. The reason I don't appreciate now, Ias, I don't appreciate what you're doing being very disrespectful to Kat and I and calling our character into question. The reason that I don't appreciate it is for me, it's as simple as for me, Jerry Judy's a top ten player and Calevan Chase on somewhere around number twenty for me in this draft. So the difference and that is enough for me to say. And I like Damon Arnette too. I got Damon Arnette as a second round corner. I

got Weaver as a third round defensive end. But I'll four go the better second round pick for to me, the clearly clearly Dave better first round pick. I agree. I think whenever you look at the first sorry, go for it. No, you go for no? No, no no, go ahead, go ahead. Now you've already assassinated our character one time. Why don't you double I just when you consider it to go back to the twenty seventeen conversation, like were

they're better players than Taco available? Yeah, but you address the need at the thinnest position, knowing that you can address your need at wide receiver with a deeper position, like we expect there to be like starter caliber slot receivers available. And you want to do that again. It worked last time. They've picked the wrong guy. They could have had TJ. Want to do it again if they had picked t J. Watt we'd be talking about what geniuses they are. Like the strategy, this sound, the team

still needs, this team still needs a wide receiver. I understand it if they still need a wide receiver. If they take a wide receiver and one day you're on the Burger team and you're going back, you're a team forty and you're taking it awaying. You mean to tell me that I can address the pass rush and the secondary and then on day two or three I can still find Lynn Bowden. That's fine, That's so easy for me. I'll do that every time. And I like the first

I'm kind of with you a little bit there. Whenever you're talking about team needs and better players. The first option between C. J. Henderson and then also kJ Hamler, I think that would be perfect if Hamler could catch a football. But see he's basically stay by runner. I'm out on kJ Hamdler. I don't get the hype. I know he's fast. I'm out. I'm pretty out on him

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last segment, and we've got some perfect player fits. We've talked about the Cowboys at nauseam really since the beginning of the show or the beginning of the season, really about who could fit in this the Cowboys draft class. But we've got some fits for specific players on other teams as well. Katie, I know you've got a couple of guys that you've had written out as well, and

you're chomping at the bit to get after it. Yeah, let's just start with the idea is just kind of getting creative us in our imagination here and find some guys who oh that makes a lot of sense. And I couldn't help but being nabled. When we've talked about slot wide receiver, it feels like we've talked about James Prochier, Devin Burnet from Texas Appreciation Messing year, and of course kJ Hill from Ohio State. So I up those three

guys into one here. Wasn't those guys be great in Tampa Bay Because if you look at the depth chart and the wide receiver situation for Tampa Bay after Mike Evans and after Chris Godwin man that underneath guy for Tom Brady. That safety blanket makes so much sense to me. What do you guys think? I like it. He's also already got his tight ends, and Tom Brady loves him some tight ends, So it's gonna be it'll be really interesting.

As a guy who has said that Tom Brady is totally washed and that Bill Belichick is the secret to the dynasty, not Brady. They're given Tom everything in the world to prove that I'm an idiot, which would not be the first time. But yeah, if you tossed one of those guys there in the slot on top of Cameron, brad, oj Howard and Godwin and Evans's that's scary good. I could really need a final nail in the coffin for Tom if he fails. Yeah, I completely agree with that.

But if I could draft one player for Tampa, I would probably use that first round pick on McKay Beckton if he's there, Like, that's the only thing that's going to screw that up for Brady is if he can't be protected and Tampa's line is not impressive to me, that is what I would be trying to do with their first round pick if I were them. Well, to be fair, Katie's three names that he threw out there. None of those guys are really first round talents. No, no

no kJ Hill, no fourth round. No. Day's just trying to go after people. I'm just saying, well, here, how about this in the first round and Prochet in the fourth or fifth? Hell yeah, let's go. Yeah. I like that at fourteen, you're gonna go offensive tackle. Whether it's Beckton or Worse or whoever's there, Andrew Thomas, it doesn't matter. There's a slew of tackles that you could have in the first fifteen picks, and with Tampa Bay being at fourteen,

you could go offensive tackle. This is a name. It's funny that you you you started off with this one, Katie, because I had a name for Tampa Bay too. How about Jonathan Taylor in the second round at forty five. If he's there at forty five, the Wisconsin running back, comparing him not only with a new offensive tackle, with the weapons they already have in the wide receiving corps. And then you add a slot guy with Tom Brady.

All of a sudden, your team forty five Burger and you're you're moving things down to Tampa Bay with when you're cooking with gas. Yeah, I think some of those running backs for sure makes sense for Tampa Bay. I don't know how much they're gonna rely on Ronald Jones again from USC and that's Jeff's guy, but thinks that's dude, that's a draft with like I feel bad about. I thought Ronald Jones was great. I'm I would not working

out in Tampa. He went to a place that didn't have an offensive line though, you know that's that does matter. You know, where are your drafting matters. I think I've got Clyde Edwards, Hilaria Fabellish here. To Kansas City that would be fun, But to Tampa Bay he would be fun as well. I think that makes a lot of sense if he's on the board at forty five, and I don't know that he will be, but if he is on the board at forty five, that's another match fit.

That's kind of what this segment's all about, finding magical fits. I want to throw this one out there for you guys, Jeff, I'll rope you into the mix here. How about Michael Pittman to Baltimore? They got Marquis Brown. Then after that it's Miles Boykin, Lily Sneidh, Michael Pittman, a little bigger body guy, reliable guy for Lamar Jackson, along with Hollywood Brown. What do you think about that fit? I think it's great.

I think Michael Pittman with anyone's a great fit. Though, because for me, let me double check that I'm not lying to you, Jeff, I got Stones. Michael Pittman's top five receiver in this class for me, So, um, yeah, Baltimore would be fun to add the big body. I'm not gonna call him possession receiver because he's better than that. To add that's what I've got with the tight ends. Yeah, I do think that's a fun fit. You know who else might be fun in Baltimore? What about Laviska Chenault? Yeah?

I think he would be extremely fun. Yes, where you're just had bits right, you got your deep threat, you got tight ends, your quarterbacks running, You're handing off to this guy and then oh look, one of the maybe the best guy with the bald his hands in the entire class is now my jet sweep and screen. And that would be a really fun fit to me. How about this will run here to the twenties. Jeff Gladney f TCU to Minnesota. They're relying on Mike Cues a lot,

Holton Hill. We know Mike Zimber loves his defensive backs. Jeff Gladney to Minnesota with one of their picks in the twenties. They pick at twenty two and twenty five, and I feel like they're probably gonna think wide receiver maybe Edges in there in their mixed but they needed some cover guys too. I think Gladney that's a pretty good spot for him, and he's my cornerback too. I know it's not that way for everyone else, but I think that makes a lot of sense in the twenties.

I don't think Trevon Diggs is a good fit there, given the Stefan asked his way out of town. That just seems like one of the weird absolutely written in stone, like the Vikings have basically thrown off all of their old quarterbacks, and zimmer loves drafting cornerbacks anyway, like he's done it in most of his drafts in Minnesota. The fact that they have two first round picks, like I have to believe one of them is going to be

a cornerback at some sort. I don't love the player that I'm about to talk about, But the Packers at thirty need inside linebacker help amidst a million other things. But I don't see Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray being there at thirty. So with Blake Martinez from Stanford leaving to go to the Giants, I've got Evan Weaver of California, a day three type guy. Maybe he ends up having to go around three or four. Evan Weaver of California to the Packers for the inside linebackers, they don't get

their choice of Murray or Queen. I misheard you and thought you were doing that in the first round and I was about to lose my mind. Oh okay, no later on. Just a good fit. Yeah, Henry Ruggs did Denver working opposite of Courtland Sutton. Oh, that would be nice. You drew back a little bit of a target the throw too great? Drew Luck. Okay, So that's that's the thing that that falls faster than anything else this year, right is Drew Luck? Yes? Why would you put that

on him? He was great? All evidence points to greatness in the NFL so far, Gardner Minshire was great for three weeks too. We're banking on him, man, that's their guy. They're tanking Baltimore. Hey, I know we already did Baltimore, but doesn't Baltimore also seemed like the kind of place where somebody like, let's say, either in the first round Zach Bond or in the second round Josh Ucci out of Michigan, Like that's where your kind of hybrid guy

ends up getting twelve sacks a year is in Baltimore. Yes, yeah, I feel like Baltimore just collects promising pastors and developed them, like year in and year out. They don't always work out there. I mean Tim Williams didn't really hasn't done much. Yeah. Well, and Zach Bond fell to twenty eight whenever we were doing our mock draft a couple of weeks ago. So I think it's not out of the question that he would be there at twenty eight. And they may stock by all a couple of stat of a couple of

kind of twinter linebacker edge rushers. I have two more, I'll be quick. One has cowboy ramifications. C. J. Henderson to the Cardinals. If you look at it, that Patrick Peterson contracts about to come up, and it's you know, probably time or getting cohost to tend to move on from him. Anyways, top ten, if that's where Henderson's gonna go, I think that's the spot. I think, you know, Jacksonville might make sense there as well, but I think the

Cardinals and CJ. Henderson could make a lot of sense, and maybe they attack offensive line later on in the draft. I mean it's other one. No, no, the last one. Do the last one? Sorry? Well, my other one is we were talking about him in the top twenty and then horrible combine. The Giants are gonna pick again in the second round, right pretty quickly. Aj Eponessa from Iowa, I think that makes a lot of sense in New York.

I think that makes a ton of sense because most likely what are they going to go in the first round. They're gonna go probably offensive line, maybe pick up a player that's not an edge rusher overall. And then you add a guy who had some high expectations going into the season and then kind of laid it, laid it on the floor whenever he comes to the NFL combine

and the measurables that he put up. But I like that Actually, Katie, whenever you're talking about edge rusher and epina for the Giant, that's an interesting The Cardinals pick is interesting to me. I just actually yesterday I finished something I'm working on for the site. I redrafted the twenty eleven NFL draft just to see, I mean, it was such a stacked draft and just to kind of

see how you would reevaluate it. And Patrick Peterson is a perfect quarillary, Like he's been a great player, arguably like Hall of Fame level, but it's hard to lift a team from the cornerback position when you don't have

that much help. I actually, in a redraft, I had Tyrn Smith going top five to the Cardinals to help their quarter I'm just saying it makes a lot wh wouldn't you rig it for the Cowboys because that's not the point of the exercise, Jeffrey, But yeah, jeff it just makes so much sense to help Kyler Murray with

an offensive tackle rather. I mean, not that C. J. Henderson is in the hell of a player, but like, Kyler Murray is what's going to make that team good, and so I'm trying to give him as much help as possible. If it's me forty Burgers, take another receiver. Now I've got I've gotta receive a perfect fit. I've got a receiver for a perfect thick. How about this

you talked about the pick thirty for the Packers. How about throwing Jalen Rager in there and letting Aaron Rodgers throw to Jalen Raiger out of the slot and have a burner who can actually catch the football as opposed to kJ Hamler. And then another one that I had was Josh Jones, the offensive tackle out of Houston, going to Los Angeles at thirty six early in the second round.

You talk about a team that's most likely gonna snag their franchise quarterback in the first round, then you're gonna have to protect them, and why not do it with one of the biggest value picks that you could potentially have whenever it comes to the second round. Absolutely, I think there's gonna be some good offensive tackles in the mix. And while we're on that page, Kyla, I'll tell this out there. I actually talked about this one with our

buddy Dane Now last week. Yeah, the Browns and Ezra Cleveland, So you would have a Cleveland and Cleveland situation. Oh yeah, there's pretty good fit that you kind of have to do. They really don't have a choice like that. So yeah, yeah, Well there's a in there, a DJ Dallas that we could potentially pick up in Miami. That could be he's a good your little player. There's there's Dallas. Is fun is there? Let's go sell some jerseys. Let's put those together.

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