Draft Show: A Wide Look At WR, DT, S & More

and then onto Pro Days and then into the NFL Draft. As the Big Boys guy said, Brian brought us here. Dane Brugler, David Hellman and KK Garrison, Executive Producing. How is everybody doing, David, welcome back, by the way, Thank you, Thanks sorry I missed on Monday. Thanks for Marty Gras.

It was. It was a delight. Yeah, what I remember of it at least, And I know you stopped in Baton Rouge and your way back just to check out some of those else if you looked at you, we we joked, me and my buddy that went joked that we were going to stop and Baton Rouge on the way back and by the time we by the time it was time to go home, we were like, now get home, let's just get home, Just get home. Well, I'll tell you what I'm gonna We've got to break.

The show's got to break a little early today at eleven fifty five. So I do want to get into our first subject, and I want to throw it over to David Hellman because I think this is gonna be I think this is a great idea. I do. I really like this idea. Dane Brugler came in with it, and and David has taken it, and I think it's gonna be a very entertaining for everybody involved. So let's

immediately get involved. I love it entertaining and informative because honestly, I feel like a lot of this these are the these are the questions that the majority of people that listen to this show wants. Yeah, so all right, we're gonna call it make me feel better. What I did was I wouldn't feel better. I went through every position. I didn't do quarterback. Sorry, get over it. I don't. I don't think the Cowboys need to draft one as

badly as a few of you do. I went through the rest of the positions that we talk about on this show, and I thought about what concerns me about them, and I want YouTube geniuses to make me feel better. So I'm just you know, I'm not starting with need. I'm just going I'm starting offense, going through defense. We're gonna start with running back. I don't want to spend a top one hundred pick on a running back, but I need Zeke Elliott insurance at some point in the

later rounds make me feel better about those possibilities. And this is a draft that's deep at running back. It is a deep draft running back good, you know it. I think it's just for a team like the Cowboys that don't need a bell cow They can kind of play it by ear in the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, you know, depending on who is there for them at other positions. It wouldn't be a surprise if they went running back with say a camp pick in the fourth,

you know, the end of the fifth round. That's something they could do depending on how the board plays out. Uh. That guy we talked about, Darryl Williams from LSU, Yes, I make a lot of sense that is gonna be a better pro than he was in College. Uh. You know guy we've talked about before, who if not for Leonard Fournett and Darius Guice, we'd be talking more about him as one of the better running backs in this group. What about keeping him with the sec John Kelly from Tennis,

That's what I was hoping. You're gonna go there. Love that guy. Yeah, a guy that loves the break tackles. Yeah, he is a physical dude. Yeah, he's not gonna make a lot of guys miss, but he's gonna welcome the contact, take it on and pick up yards after contact. Tell you what you're on your game already this morning. John Kelly was a guy that I had in mind. If you're gonna tell me that you've already got Rod Smith kind of as a backup guy, and maybe who's the

third guy? Give me this John Kelly five nine, two hundred and five pounds. I mean he in danger, right. He is tough, physical runner, and he catches the football well. He has receiving traits, he does have some. And yeah, he's not afraid as a blocker. Is he a perfect blocker? No, But I'll tell you what, he's not afraid to stick his nose in there. He'll finish some runs too for you as well. And I love the toughness about this kid. People are gonna look for the Alvin Kramar. Who's gonna

be that guy? Sure, and this is a this is a down the line, but again same school, but you see the same traits when it comes to the run, the physicalness, the catching, the blocking in that close He tied for the team leading catches. So this guy can do it. Oh, John Kelly, Tennessee. Absolutely and the passing game was a mess of Tennessee and so a lot was put on his shoulders and he stepped up and uh he played pretty well. Se Yeah, John Kelly, fourth round.

He could go earlier, but I thought outside the top one hundred fourth round as a possibility. And I don't want to spend a ton of time on running back. But okay, maybe even a little bit later, Like, is there anybody you feel good about that? We're still you're still Where do you have Hines? He's talking later? I have Hines is a third rounder? Okay, so you're little. Yeah, you're a little bit higher on him than me. Hines is to me like a more versatile James White with

the Patriots. Okay, would you take him then over Kelly. I've gotten both in this semion career. I mean they're they're right kind of tags are almost touching. But I think of late like seventh round. Yeah, Rock Thomas Jacksonville State. Love the name, Okay, Yeah, a former top recruit at Auburn who went to Jacksonville State. Reminds me a lot of Tevin Coleman, a guy you liked a lot out of Indiana. There we go. But again, the value in the seventh round I think could be there that makes

the Suns all right. I'm good with that, dig it all right wide receiver. I'm terrified that I'm gonna get wiped out with the big picks. I don't think Calvin Ridley's there at nineteen. I'm very scared that guys like DJ Moore and James Washington go somewhere between nineteen and fifty and they aren't really options either. So with that in mind, I would love and we've talked about him before, but just to kind of go through it again, guys that I could get maybe at fifty, maybe even at

eighty one. Hell maybe even in the fourth round who can do something right away. Any names in mind there brought us. I'm trying to think of like because I've got a ton of names. But you're right, I think a lot of guys are gonna go early in this thing, and I was trying to sort all those out. If I how about hype of receiver? Do you think we're looking for? I think you need a guy we've we've talked about a touchdown a bunch and need a guy to separate. Yeah, give me a guy that can separate.

Give me a guy with some speed. Give me some guys that you know can can catch the ball on the move and make some things happen. This is one of the worst teams in the league when it came to run after catch. What about Dashawn Hamilton from Penn Stay there you go. One of the better route runners in this draft. But because he's probably gonna run a four or five six and not the biggest guy, he's not gonna go super high. He could follow the top

one hundred and even late third, somewhere in the fourth. Yeah, he's a He's a name to keep an eye on. Let me ask you this about how about the Kid Burnett from USC from USC? Yeah, true slot guy? Okay, yeah, you know there's a guy. I mean, yeah, maybe you're right about the true slot stuff. You know. I I'm kind of thinking, where do you have Dion Kane. I've

got him higher. I think he's gonna go one. You think the top one hundred and then, like I didn't like Burnette, I didn't see although I mean we are, we're not talking about premium Yeah, radium guys. You say slot only there on that one though, just because I think only Yeah, he's undersized, UM doesn't have a huge

catch radius. I think it's a slot only uh. One one guy that you appreciate his game, UM, and he might be a slot only because he reminds me actually a lot of Jarvis Landry, Trey Quinn, former LSU receiver SMU talking to you, just talking about former LSU players who didn't do anything at LSU but then went SMU and had one hundred and fourteen catches. I know. Yeah, Uh, this is a guy who he's a quarterback's best friend because he can get open, he works back to the ball.

He'd probably be here for Dallas Day if you if you think about it, Yeah, we not do we not think that's redundant for this team. Trey. I mean, he looks like Cole Beasley, like in Luck Bannard, and you know he's over six foot two hundred pounds, he's a little bigger. I think he can he can do more. I mean again, he reminds me a lot of Jarvis le injury. So I'm not sure he'd necessarily be a fit as doing his best work out of the slot, but he's a possibility that maybe work outside. Do you

think some of these receivers might drop? Do you think? I mean, if you had to pick a guy or two that might. I mean, but there's so many them you give me can this would make me feel better if you can give me two or three names that we like that you think might fall to eighty one. Like is Michael Gallop at eighty one a realistic scenario?

I don't think that's realistic myself. Just mean, but with these wide receiver we've talked about it, there's such a log jam of these was like, okay, St Brown, Okay, oh there you goes Saint Brown. Yeah, yeah, they're right now now, you know you say Saint Brown. I'm okay with that. I know, I know I argued against him the other day and I'd be honest with I think you're you're more right about it than I am. There's just so many different opinions on these wide receivers that

you know, a guy like Semi Cobbs from Indiana. Yeah, but there's again, there's a big guy. Is that a guy that separates? Right? No, that's not going to be a special not at all. See, I'm just trying to maybe I'm maybe I'm like pigeonholing myself or I'm putting on blinders because I feel like I've got some size. I feel like I need a route runner. I need somebody that's gonna I need somebody that's gonna help my quarterback. Right, That's what I'm looking for. And those type of guys

tend to go early. You know, yeah, you have to find him in the third round. But you know, if you want a bigger guy, guy that can bring a physical element, I know that's what we have with Dez. But you know you can still use those types of guys on the outside. You just I guess the big decision will be how much of a drop off is a player like a Cobbs to say, Noah Brown, who's already in the roster. Right See, I'm I'm less concerned about size. Like, give me a guy who like knows

the whole route tree. Yeah that right away? Okay size to me, because but what are we seeing with size so far? What are we seeing with size? Size tends to not be quick, size tends not to be open all the time. I think that's what this draft is going to offer more than guys that can separate. Yeah, and so that puts those guys at a premium. And that's why you know we're gonna see the Dj Moore's and Anthony Miller's probably not get out of the top fifty. Yeah,

y'all aren't real. I wonder if somebody, I wonder if better whatever, no better, let me ask you this though, could somebody could? I think Dj Moore is gonna go a lot earlier than than when the Cowboys pick at fifty too. But it's the possibility of the lack of height there that somebody says we're not going to take him there. Yeah we're not. We're Maybe they take the opposite approach of the draft show and talking about the Cowboys. Maybe somebody says, well, he's a good player, but he's

five nine Brian. Then you look at Courtland Sutton and and he's and he looks like it looks like the Greek god out there. Absolutely, Courtland Sutton could go ahead of DJ More. We could see, you know a few of these guys go ahead of DJ More just because of the size. That might not be what eightman from from Oklahoma surprise of Dad, but yeah, it's well just size, just bigger, bigger gun out the kid from Iowa State, Lazar, Right.

I think what about what Dante pettis as a gate now now you're talking, you know a guy that I had him higher than that. Yeah, but pettis Washington nine pounds. Yeah, and he is a damn good player. And this I know this team does not need a punt return or you hope Switzer is that guy for the foreseeable future. I'll take him if he returns punts. Come on, he set the NCAA record. Yeah, No, that that that kids that kids got some ability. He has got a lot of it. But I thought he was gonna go a lot.

But you're right, maybe he can still might go in the second round. But again, these log jam of receivers, someone's gonna fall everything. That's That's what has to make you feel better in the situation is if you go back and listen to this later. Y'all. Just y'all just dropped about eighteen names, and so the odds that all of those guys go, I mean, there's typically there's typically anywhere from like twenty two to thirty five receivers drafted

in a draft. Overall, the odds that eighteen of them are gonna go before your third picks seems unline. I'm just telling you, I think when we get to the when we get to the second day Friday night, we will be talking to the second round. Okay, cowboys are on the clock in five picks. Who's still on your board? And I think everybody's gonna have three names. I really do believe that. I think I think you're gonna and

one of them might well be a wide receiver. The sheer volume of good wide receivers in this draft is what gives you. Yeah, we threw a lot more of good names at you than guys where I felt like with the running back we kind of said, oh, this guy or this guy wide receiver. I felt like we just threw about five names at you that you would be elated to have on your team. Yep, all right, guys about tight end? Help me understand the sweet spot for the tight ends in this class because I don't have.

I personally, I don't see nineteen as a super viable option. I don't see the Oj Howards and the David and Joku's I know, I mean, I know Dallas Goder is a guy people talk about. I don't really buy it. Which so after that nineteenth pick, where is that range where I can find a tight end? I think it's gonna be the third myself, um, and I think Ian Thomas. Yeah, uh, Indiana from Indiana. I think I've I've been a big fan of his all season. The production doesn't blow you away,

but again, it's it's more of a traits pick. You know you you expect him to get better at the upside the potential. Uh we mentioned cops Indiana throws the ball to Cobs. Yeah, I mean they try to get the ball to That's I think. That's why when you watch Thomas play, I think Dane's right, He's got traits of the of the more the complete traits, inline blocker, H blocker, get up the field. I think he showed better athletically at the Senior Bowl. Then he did on

Indiana tape. Yeah, well in a big part again and as Indiana passing game. Yeah, and their quarterback the offensive line is Yeah, it wasn't. So you're you're betting on trade for these, I mean the there's some talented guys. I know I talked about just Sicky probably going a lot earlier. Fu mcgali is a guy that I like a little better. Uh, And I know it's okay, how many how many tight ends do you have graded right

now with a draftable grade? Yeah? Uh? Fifteen? Uh can you just read off the first like ten of those, just to give me an idea. Dallas Garder, Mark Andrews hayden Hurst. Those guys are the top fifty guys than Ian Thomas Gisecki, Derham Smith on top one hundred Notre Dame. Yeah. And a guy that who's number seven on my list, who is kind of being overlooked right now because of a knee injury, Chris Herndon from Miami. This guy can play, Yeah, is the number twenty three for in the Miami offen. Yeah,

but he is a good looking kid. I've got to watch him. If the medicals come back clean. Yeah. At the combine. Chris Herndon is a guy to watch. Conklin Tyler Conklin for Central Michigan. We saw him in the senior Belton Schultz from Stanford. Then Fumgali is my number ten tight end Wisconsin. He didn't have Aikins in there at all, did you, UCF I have got him a little further down, older guy, I mean, spent three years

in the Rangers organization. What were your grades on like the last four you just read off like third fourth, Yeah, Herndon's the three four and then Conklin Schultz four's and Fumigalia four five. So and so what I'm hearing is and which I mean, that's kind of what I suspect. It seems like top heavy, Like there's maybe two guys that you would call day even even day not day two.

But they're I mean, they're what you said. There's two guys in the top fifty and another two in the top one three and probably three in the top fifty with Goddard, Mark Andrews and Haydon Hurst. Those are top fifty guys. And then it's Andrews your top tight end. No, I've got Goddard Hurst and Andrews. There you go. I'm glad somebody else saw that that way. I don't know how great an athlete Andrews is. My biggest concern with the Andrews is he was a slot receiver at Oklahoma.

Well he didn't put his hand on the ground, but no, he did. He did well. You can watch him. You can watch him play some in line tied in against TCU. You can watch him play some inline tight end. I'm telling, Okay, against George I'm just saying, though he shouldn't say he's not because he has played. But it's like ninety five to five percent. He was in the slot ninety five percent of the time. If are you saying, man, if

you show me you can do it, you can do it. Well, I'm just saying that we shouldn't tag him as a guy that's not an inline guy. If he is, he an inline blocker, a devastating blocker. No? Is he getting away guy? Is he can he turn guys? Can he steer guys? Yes? But what have we learned? That's by God or no different? But at least he lined up in line half the time, fifty percent of the time, he's in line half. But we shouldn't put in the mind of people that he doesn't play. He has not

played in line I see. I disagree. I don't think that he did it enough to make me feel good that he can do it the NFL lot, I think. I don't. I think it's a bigger concern he's not a great athlete. Well, no, everybody's got this perception that he's this big down the field player. And you name two guys that are better down the field players, Godard and Andrew. Yeah, I lean more toward Dane. And that's on top of the fact that there aren't a ton

of prosper to watch. Makes sense, I will do that with you, on top of the fact that there aren't a lot of guys that fit the mold. Again, like I just I don't want to waste another valuable resource on a guy that can't get on the field right now. I would take any one of the three that you mentioned though at fifty Yeah, I would consider Hearst is my guy. Absolutely is my guy. Goddard and then and

then the Andrews. Does the fact that Hurst is going to be twenty five years old before the seasons start, does that bother you at all. Yeah, we bring up Terrence Neuman, do it with two thousand and three. Yeah, these guys still playing. No, I know, but this guy's but tight ends. You know, we drafted Jason Witton when he was twenty one. I'm saying, Witton's you're starting tight end from day one. Yeah, and so Hurst he's not going to start for you, and so maybe he starts

for you next year and be twenty six. You know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just you know, in the day and age a free agency, just give me players, Yeah, just give me. This isn't nineteen seventy seven where you get the same guy for twenty years, unless it's go look at the team pictures from the Cowboys over here on the wall, and then all of a sudden it's the same damn team every year. Those days are over, No,

I wan. I would tend to agree. The age thing is a topic of conversation, but it would not stop me from drafting. No, just give me good play. I will say. What I needed to hear to feel better was that there's gonna be some guys available in the third to fifth round run. There. There will be there because that's where I would want this team to draft a tight end. I don't think it's worth it in the second or first Can we take a break real quick? And then and then like that's my plan. We'll take

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me feel better offensive guard. There might not be two names we've beaten into the ground more than Isaiah Wynn and Will Hernandez. Yeah, assuming the Cowboys don't draft one of those two guards, make me feel better and find me some viable guys that you could get later on as early as the second but as late as the third or the fourth round. I think this is a position where I'm gonna struggle to make you feel better? Oh boy, yeah, brought us might help me out here.

I mean, how can we make him feel better about the guard position? If you don't get win, you don't get her. Nandez, you like Smith? So I do like Braydon Smith from Auburn. Yeah, I do like him. And you know what, scouts will probably. I know I went on a rail mission against him last week. That's fine. I mean, I just wanted to take the other You wouldn't take him in a third. I don't think I would take him in the third because I have I

have Corbett from Nevada better than him. Yeah. It's solid player, so you know. And the fact he played tackle, he you know, playing the potentially play guard for you. I think that, you know what, and then it might be a wild thing. But I don't think that priced the Ohio State Center. He could play guard. But I don't think you're gonna get him in them. I think you'd have to hit him at fifty if you're gonna. I think he's been long gone before them. Just my opinion,

guys that I think the center. All right? How about this, how do you feel about Daniels from Iowa? Then you feel like he could play guard, and I can take him in nineteen if you want him. I think both Price and Daniels are early guys, top thirty to thirty five. Yikes. Yeah, well okay, then you know, now you talk about could you play Cole? Would you play Cold? Michigan center? Tackle it guard? I you know I struggle with Cold because

I do too. Who's a left tackle at Michigan? You know, obviously he's an inside player at the Senior Bowl, he just got got Yeah. I like the Senior Bowl. It's hard to most guys help themselves, but every year there's one or two that you kind of walk away saying, wow, I very discouraged by what he did. And Cole is one of them right now Arkansas. Yeah, I like him. He's kind of another one is going under the radar because he missed the last dale months of the season

with an injury. Yeah, didn't have a chance of the workout or play at the Senior Bowl because of the injury. If the medicals are clean, He's an interesting guy because I think he would be one of the few that you consider taking the second or third round. A guy that can play guard, play mostly center, but can play guard and be just as effective. That's a good name. You wouldn't be happy with Nick Gates from Nebraska, No, not at all. No, he was an open gate at

the left tackle. Whoah, So I know he's probably were projecting inside. Uh and the smaller area will help him. No, I I think I think you give a fair assessment to him. I don't think it's fair. Yeah, this guard classes, it's hard to get you know, too too excited about the options if and I know I'm kind of making a case for why you should go win or you know, all of these guys at nineteen, but there's not a lot of depth in this guard class. See this, think

the well, go ahead? This is this is This is the argument then that they had last year with drafting Taco and do you look at it early? Do you have to because you look at the depth of the position, and do you feel and and Dane gave you a bunch of names. You know, we we we went through a bunch of guys that would have to be guys that you know, they play at one position, you'd have to probably flip them over to play guard where you know when yeah, he was a tackle, but man, he

was really good. You watched and played similarly. We started at guard his first few years too, so he's yeah, you've seen him, seen him, you've seen him play it. And then you look at you know, you look at like you know with Hernande is the same way. You know now you're thinking, okay, after those two, who are the guys? I mean, we were trying to make you feel better, and we really didn't. But maybe it's at

nineteen you have to do that. I know you don't want to do that right, but it might be the best player at that position, or the best player on your board is a guard. I'm gonna go and if that's if that's true then because I'll tell you this way, I feel better now watching a bunch of one techniques. If if I and I know you're gonna get to it, we got we're going, okay, I'll let you get to

that then. But I mean, and I know this is the draft show, but what y'all just did was tell me that this team needs to get hold of a guy, a guy that can start at left guard in free agency one way or the other. That would be my plan A. Whether it's Jonathan Cooper or somebody else, I don't care but you can't go into this knowing that you have to draft the starting left guard. Yeah, you just can't. And thirty one other teams knowing that too. Yeah, Um,

offensive tackle. I don't want to spend a ton of time on this, but you know, Tyron Smith's injury issues or a thing that get talked about a lot. Where can this team find a tackle that suits its need? I e. A swing tackle that can also step in for a start. They we're gonna be hearing those two words a lot of think the swing tackle. Yeah, that's something that I know a lot of fans. Yeah, I throw that out there a lot. I kind of I'll take it's it's not a it's not a it's a

it's a real thing. I mean you do. Yeah, but you need somebody. I mean they're only gonna dress seven. Yeah, you know, a guy's gonna have to play the left and right side. Yeah. I actually think there's some pretty good candidates. Okay, I really do Top one h Parker? Where do you have Parker? Uh NCA and t Kid? Yeah? Third, Okay, I like him a lot. Yeah, we talked about Oka four.

Now he's not ready maybe, but I'm not sure I'd draft him, really, be honest with you, Like, I'll grate him on my my rankings because I great every player, but I'm not serod draft him because I worry about his He's not a glass eater. Oh he's not a tough guy, and I'm not I'm not gonna go as far as to call him soft or anything, you know, but he's just he's not a natural football player who grinds it out. And right, let me take you off that.

How about Ranking from Mississippi State. I like Ranking? Uh do you think he can hold up a tackle? I kind of worry me a little bit. I think he might be a better center, to be honest, but that's a that's that's like watching Cole Yeah, Cole playing. Well, it's such a weird flex tackle center. All right, how about this and let me tell you another name. How about Crosby from Oregon. Yeah, I like Crosby. I think he's um in the second round. Okay, yeah, I actually

have him the third. Uh. Well, let me put it this way. I think he's gonna go in the second round. Okay, because again tackle supplying to man, Yeah, they're they're gonna go high. About Jones from Ohio, State didn't like him as much as you did. I think I gave him a three. Okay, that's why I have him. Okay, him Parker. There's whether it's be from LSU. Let me be, let

me be a little more direct. How comfortable the y'all like, How high the y'all feel comfortable picking this guy knowing that ideally his job is to be the third tackle. This is where I this is where I look at at Paul Alexander and I say, listen, you need to find a way to get Chads Green. Ready. Oh no, scared the crap out of all of our listeners. Okay,

but listen to me here. Chads Green had one bad game against Atlanta, like a historically bad game, but in the in the previous season when he was in the reason why they put him out there was because this, I'm gonna say this till him blue in the face. They did him a disservice by playing him at guard, by taking him as they should have. They should have had a they had a plan if something happens with Smith,

use him as your backup left tack. Hey, and I hear you, and I'm I never agreed with anybody that thought Chaz Green should be cut, but he's still a You can't trust him completely and be he's heading into a contract so I just don't. Can't you can't. Okay, before the Atlanta game, could you trust him? Yes? Funny how that works? Huh Yeah, you guys sound a little neat. Okay, but he's heading into a contract season. That's fine. Play him, but figure it out. You find a way to get

him better. You not want to try to address the long term future of the position. I just named off five guys, and every one of them he went, I don't think the guy could play. He's not a glass eater. I don't like every one of those guys, not everyone. No, but what I said about one guy, but the other guys didn't get me all. You took one of the guys that said you think brought us he could be a sinner. I think it might be his best position long term. You guys, what are you doing? Brian's angry?

What are you doing? Seriously, I'm looking for a tackle I can draft on Day three to you might hate Chaz Green, but you hate these other guys more. Well, No, I just I don't think you could rely on Chaz Green's sound like you can run and five guys I named you No, because this is not a great tackle class. It's not. It's not. You're not gonna find a lot of depth, not a lot of value. One one name to keep an eye. On day three, he's like, oh, he's avoiding me. He knows he's looking right at you.

Good because I don't love the talent on day two of this draft. To day make me feel better? Do it? Come on tackle from Stony Brook? Oh God, that doesn't. That doesn't. Okay, No, this is going along with again, Chad's Greenford one more year. Again, going along with what you're saying. Tell Paulexander get him ready, you're you have chat. What about Parker? Then, well, I think asking price if the if at eighty one, okay, you know, maybe I think he should be in consideration, but he might be

gone there or it might be a better option. So I think he should be in consideration. But if you want to starter, or say you go nose tackle, corner, linebacker your first three picks, and you still need that tackle fourth fifth round, timon Paris from uh ST Stony Brook. He's a guy that you can develop. I mean, let me you didn't like weather be at all from LSU? Did he was? I hang him of four? So another

guy didn't like top one hundred. But ye day three, early day three, I think you'd be pot Would you like to go on record and say you wouldn't draft him like you've done some other guys. One guy, I said, well, I'm just asking now. I just want to I want to learn no figure that our most contentious debate is about the third tackle on the team. I just I just this team, this team needs to go get free agent offensive lineman. That's what I think. Um, that's just

that costs you money. I'm not you don't have to give a guy a forty million dollar deal. You just need to go get somebody. I'm on board getting a swing tackle. I just don't love the value a day two in this draft, Um, that the tackles that you're gonna get because again supply and demand, these tackles are gonna pushed up the board. They're gonna go a lot

earlier than you would take them. So I think your best route might be you live with Chaz Green, or you're adding free agency and then you draft a developmental tackle on Day three. That I you know, bring them along and then by you know, next year, he's your swing tackle. I'd be a new coaching staff if you don't develop. But he don't coach Chaz Green up a little bit. I'm gonna try to save a little time here because these two positions remind me a lot of

each other. Defensive tackle. We have talked an enormous amount about Vita Vea and Maurice Hearst as possibilities at nineteen at linebacker. We have also done the same thing with Roquan Smith and Tremaine Edmonds, who maybe nineteens not realistic, but you you hope for the best. Make me feel better about who those guys could be and when they could be drafted. If not those guys at linebacker. At both spots, where do you have Sinshi? Hey, all right,

we're talking two positions here, Sonack Wisconsin. There you go, Jack Sinshi. It's it's hard because his draft grade is based on twenty sixteen tape. Well, it's based entirely on the medicals. Yeah, how did those come back? If his medicals come back, I'm looking at this kid, Oh yeah, oh absolutely, if he's healthy. If the medicals are aren't an issue. He's a top fifty player. Okay, I mean,

so that's a type of talent we're talking about. This is a former walk on, went to Wisconsin, developed into a starter. My problem with him the last two years Okay, he's played seven games the last two years. He hasn't He hasn't started since last October of twenty and sixteen. Sounds like another linebacker we got here, and that's the that's the worry with Sitchi. So do you feel like though that teams won't take him early? Then it just

it depends on medicals. If twenty sixteen tape is very good, yeah, yeah, before we tour, meaning Wisconsin puts out linebackers, they do so, so Citchi is a top fifty talent. The medicals. You trust your doctors if they say, I know a lot of fans are listening to this saying, no, forget them. As soon as they hear these injured questions. Now I'll let me let me kill them. That's what I do with like Jalen Smith and guys like that. You gotta

you gotta trust the doctor. And if the doctor says, you know what, he just bad luck, he should be you know fully on the men to be close one hundred percent by training camp. Hey, you feel good about him at eighty one? Him or Jewel, Josie Jewel? Iowa, Um, I mean I've got Jewel higher right now because of the two situation. What about the by U kid Warner? I like him a lot too. I think at eighty one he'd be a heck of a pick. I think if you talk to Kavanaugh and Katie, they they're they're

they're they're rallying against him. They hate everybody, No, they don't. They don't hate everybody. They get in discussions like Dan and I just had about offensive linemen stuff. I mean, I like one. I think Warner is going to be a really good player. I do. I think that. I think you could play him with a a lot of different spots. He could play him every down. He doesn't get he won't come off the field. He'll need him to. And he's in ARCAG. Yeah you know what I mean. Uh

he's a guy that is a team captain. He didn't miss a game in the last three years. Uh So yeah, give me Warner if he's there at eighty one. I think that is your consolation prize and you feel good about it after not getting quand orm Tremaine Edmunds in the first round. All right, how about d tackle real quick? Uh? A guy that I know you guys recently just watched and love one of my five favorite players. You did have him first. I give Dane Burglar full credit for this.

One of my five favorite players in this draft from UCF, Dedrin Senat, the nose tackle who and a lot of people here South Florida and they think a small watch him guy. He had a full ride to Florida State. He chose to go to South Florida. It had been better than naughty. Yeah, yeah, he would a better player. I've got him just ahead of naughty, and I like

Naughty two from Florida State. A good player, so not your He's your no. If you don't get Vita veau in at nineteen or your nose tackle, Sonat's the guy to look at at day two. This is this is me, This is me right here. If if this is why I wouldn't I would consider guard at nineteen. This is why you keep talking about how many defensive tackles you're watching that you like bingo. I feel better about the

one technique defensive tackles. If that's route, I don't. I don't feel tremendously great about Hurst defensive tack Chael Michigan. I don't feel tremendously great about him. I need to go back and really grind that one down. But I will tell you this though, I do feel good about Vya Son, Payne, Phillips, Naughty Ford. I just named five guys, six guys, didn't I write there for you that? I mean, like I say, it's if you had to find a

one technique. Those guys can play one technique and be good. Yeah, he loves Phillips. He's right about Phillips. Stanford deepense. For all the talk of these two guys at the top, this is a deep position. Wait, we'll see linebacker. We talk about two guys for a reason because we don't feel great about it. I don't feel good about the three techniques and so But David Irving, you know, maybe somebody in the draft is gonna go, you know what,

we can't find this guy could play three technique. Maybe we have to give up a second round pick to get You know, I'm not buying your hype that Malique can only play one anyway, for whatever that's worth. So it's fine, play three. That's fine. I mean, I'm just telling you though, if you don't get disappointed if vita

Vea is not there. Yeah, and even if he's there and they don't take him, that will be the great hindsight, you know, that'll be the great hindsight the one or no, no exactly, or it'd be like it'd be like, you know, with what they should have taken. What I mean, that's you know, they that's kind of how this is going to work. To me, Veya, if you pass on Vitavea not as big of a deal of passing on what vita Vea has his issues. He's not the perfect clean player.

This is a guy that the physical traits are off the charts. Discipline, technique, effort, those are all up and down. Oh no, and so but I feel better about the overall position of one technique the three technique. I agree. One thing I will kind of disagree with you. I didn't get to take the best player at nineteen. I don't like I don't like the idea of thinking, well, this is better and now if the players are even yeah, if you know, if you if you their stat will

have him separate. You know that well, I mean if you all right, say you view Vita Vea and Isaiah Win like almost dead similar grade one. Oh, then I agree, you know, looking towards the future of the position in the second third round. But if you like a guy, if he's a hot, better first round player on your board, I'm a fan of taking that, stay and put stay, taking that player as opposed to, well, this other position has better depth. Would you take senate at AT's not

at at fifty? I could envision a scenario. Yeah, I mean he didn't make my top fifty, but close right, yeah, I mean he's right there in that mix. It could, it could happen. I think the main thing I learned about the draft as I do this more and more is that there aren't a lot of teams that truly have the discipline to do that. Like they get caught up. It's it's it's best player, by need best player. But we're screwed if we don't, you know what I mean.

I'm a dinosaur in this. I'm a dinosaur in scouting because of my background with the Packers, because we were a best player and we never went on I mean we didn't really go on knee. We just took the best player. But nowadays it really is. I trying to argue that, but I can't because team's draft need all the time they do well. And I think people have to keep in mind too, that a lot of teams their draft board consists of one hundred and thirty players.

One hundred and fifty players, yeah, hundred eighty player. I mean it's not the three hundred. Trust me, our board would be that way, right, it's not you know, we're looking at all these guys, but a lot of teams it's not that that extensive of a board, and so it might not be as much of a reach in their eyes. There you go, Do you want to take a break and finish this or just try to roll through? No, no, let's let's let's take a break and then we'll come

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David hustle all but we got this all right. I'm glad Dane mentioned t J. Watt because he almost won Defensive Rookie of the Year as the sixth pass rusher taken in last year's draft. That's how good that class was. Make me feel better about the fact that it doesn't feel as deep this year. And I'm sitting here thinking I don't necessarily love my options at nineteen other than maybe Davenport, right, I mean, Chubb won't be there, And then I think, I don't know, well, it's early, lest

I don't love my options at fifty. Basically, I mean, is this position deep enough that you can afford to wait on it? Is? Basically how I want you to make me feel better if you can. I think this group has a lot of talent, yeah, but it doesn't have a lot of polished players that you feel really good about. You know, each one. You can pull holes in all these guys. Right after Chubb even Davenport to an extent. You know, I think there's a handful of

guys you consider at nineteen. Maybe not a handful, maybe like a few, Yeah, Sam Hubbard being one from Ohio State. Harold Landry from Boston College. Harold Landry a guy that based on he has in sixteen tape, you see a first rounder. Sure this year. Injuries, other factors. He couldn't perform in the Senior Bowl because of injuries, and then in the day two you have plenty of question marks. Arden Key, Yeah, I don't think he's a consideration for

this team. With the Randy Gregory situation, Yes, I would agree that quo with the size, how does he fit? Yes? Maybe the most The biggest mystery of all is Hercules mod Offa from Washington State. Who you watch him and he lined up as a more of a three technique on the interior. His initial burst off the ball is amazing. I'll throw Armstrong from Kansas another good player, but again I think he's probably more of a stand up guy. Yeah. It could be alignman, It depends on where people look

at him. He might be a three four outside lineback him in NUOSU for USC same paper. Yeah, there's a lot of tweeters. There are lot of tweeters in this thing. That's always the key of the draft. How the draft, how these defensive end, these tweeter guys, how they fit. Yeah, dictates how draft is gonna go in my opinion, Right, Yeah, I think if you're looking for a defensive end, your best bet is probably waiting until days two, third round

and seeing if a duke ed four men. Yeah, you know, it's just a lot of question marks in this draft. A pass rusher and one of these A few of these guys are gonna hit Harold Andrew you know, maybe a pro bowler next year. But again, all these guys after Chub, you can pull holes in him. Yeah, assuming I know we've talked about this real but assuming he fell, would you take to Avenport? H I would, Yes, I think, yeah,

that's I think. Yeah, I think that's a That's one of those ones to me that you kind of look at the situation you say, well, hey, maybe we got a gift here. Yeah, you know, we got the raw guy, but you know the guy that you can get developed. Yeah, I'm only going to do safety. I mean, if y'all desperately want us to do corner. We can do it at another time. But this team has a lot of corners. A lot of corners, yeah, a lot of corners, probably

a deepest position. Yeah, I think so. Um players. I want to know about safety because if it's not Derwin James at nineteen, then I don't know where to draft a safety where it makes sense. I don't really, I don't have a firm grasp on that. I don't know trade back in value with golden but yeah, I mean yeah, I would playim it free. Yeah, he's that nickel n You could do both. Yeah, I do too. He's kind of like if you talk about Fitzpatrick, I think the

same thing. Knife. Yeah, you can play him on outside corner, pla him inside nickel you could let he could play free. No problem. People out here are the people are listening to us are struggling bad because now they're listening to to talk about Byron Jones. Look, I might move him to the corner. They might move and keep in say a good points. And I guess that people are tired of the hybrid player. Yeah I shouldn't say the hybrid player. No, they're like play put a guy to position in playing well,

not especially here. You did a better job of clarifying that, because what I like is there just is there a safety. I'm not talking about a guy who can do, but like, is there just a safety that you feel good about other than maybe Derwin James, which honestly, I don't think that's gonna be real non Harrison Alabama anywhere really well, or you would draft Harrison at nineteen No no, no, I said, you said safety feel good about you? Okay, all right, okay, So after Derwin James, who's your top

strong safety's at Harrison? Yeah? It is? It is. I like Harrison and I like um Marcus Allen from Allen. I think both those guys are downhill. They're gonna they're strong tacklers. Bates from not strong Sade, but Bates from they go on the free side, bates From from Wake Forest and then but I like on the strong side too. The kid Kylie White White, Kylie White that Kylie fits is the m Yeah, but yeah, I think that the West Virginia kid. It's later again, it's not something I

would I would think about. I think a player I like more than others is Jordan Whitehead. Yeah, the pit free safety, a guy yeah, I have him in the same the same scenario as White. He's a top. He's a top as Fleet, who I think is going to get better and better with pro coaching. So I think the top free safety after Derwin James, who I think Derwin James is both the free and strong is on

my board. Jordan waited. There you go. If y'all were curious, you made me feel better about five positions, and you made me not really feel better about four half and half. Yeah, winning records exactly. Yeah. I don't know about the playoffs, Jason Garrett, but yeah, winning record. All right, that's so well. I'm gonna stick it with you though. We get about,

like I say, probably six seven minutes if we could. Yeah, just got a couple of questions and we'll try and not It's me Dane that usually we labors the point. But go ahead. Okay um. This is the abbreviated Twitter on the twenty the abbreviated uh okay um. Actually, you know, since we didn't do quarterback, here's a question from Joel um. Is there an is there a mid round quarterback you feel good about in this class? And do you think

this team could or should do that? We've kind of talked about a quarterback a little bit, but I mean that's that's I wait till after the combine. You know, Jeff and Katie and I to get him wrong, So go ahead and give us some right quarter quarterback. Kyle a Letta from Richmond, a guy that played really well

to Senior Bowls. You know, he's a guy probably in that fifth round that you could bring in and feel good about him if you're looking for a wild card, sixth, seventh round that you just kind of rolled the dice. Chase Litton from Marshall. Uh. He's kind of the East Coast raw version of Josh Allen where you saw him the other day when we got big, well built athletes and he moves well, he's got a big arm, and the flashes, the highlights, they make you feel good about him.

But he has no idea what he's doing out there. I mean, he needs built from the ground up. So he's purely a developmental prospect, a guy that you just roll the dice on later in the draft. Sounds like a job for Kellen Moore. Um by the way, Oh nice, Uh okay, Actually y'all were talking about this. Y'all were talking about this a little bit before the show started. Um Den's wants to know, who's a guy that you didn't like but you're having a change of heart. Who

did I say, Pettis? Oh yeah, Pettis. Yeah. You go back and this is a long process, and sometimes you watch the tape and or you see him live and you actually helped you there a little bit. Well, you get an initial perspective on the player, uh, and that stays with you. And maybe you're just watching the right tape or in right tape and you know you it's it's hard to not to do this without getting opinions

from other people. Sure, it's it can be valuable. I mean people you trust when broadness you tell me to you know you love player? Yeah, same with you. A lot of times. I'm gonna go back and watch more. See Okay, did I get something right? Maybe he just you know, likes him better than I do, and I Dante Pettis is one of those players, went back and watch more of him. He's a really good player. Um I like him a lot, and we talked about him earlier. I bumped them up a little bit based on my

initial perspective of him. So did you have any of those guys that round Notre Dame. Yeah, I know. I gotten a discussion with you last year. You're right about the player equanimous Nimius Brown, Saint Brown, Saint Brown. Yes, there you go. Um here's the one from Daniel. Initially more surprising to you this Cowboys team taking a guard at nineteen or the Frederick pick at thirty one, four or five years ago, whatever that was. I was. I

had a third round grade on Frederick. Yeah, itself positively floored. Yeah. See which I love doing this show because I think anybody that cares about the draft is mentally prepared for the prospect of drafting a guard in the first round. Yep. I don't think anybody was expecting a center to be the pick in the first round. What happened alone, what happened looked like could have been sheer disaster. Bail You bail and you don't get a second round pick is deflating.

And you bail and you don't get a player that you thought was a second round player and got a cent and you got a center. Yeah that was. That was one of those days. And I remember going through it and lo and behold, Brian brought us raising my hand very wrong about Travis Frederick damn near everybody was

um uncle Jerry. I might be putting y'all on the spot here, sorry, but I think it's interesting just who's a player offense defense who fits the Cowboys the best, regardless of need, regardless of whether or not they actually need that player. They're just a guy that's like, oh yeah, he would kill in this in this scheme. I think it's Calvin Ridley again that hurts hurts, Yeah, you know he's how about he's the Z receiver. He makes Death better,

he makes Ze better, he makes Dac better. He his impact, the ripple effect on the rest of the offense. That's to me why he would uh just be a perfect fit for what they do. How about James? It's safety Derwin? Yeah, James, mean you don't think maybe that safety is a need? It depends on what you do with Byron Jones. I think it is. You think it's a need? Yeah, okay, does it? Would you expect what's realistic expectations out of Derwin? James is a rookie, hey, because I think we were

he's he's a potential pick. I mean, you're drafting him for who he's going to be two years from now. But as a rookie, what a realistic expectation. I think he could be an impact player as a rookie. Yeah, I really do. I think I think you know, and we we saw what with what Ramsey and those guys, I mean the Florida State kids. Usually those Florida State secondary guys, you can count on them. I'm okay with him,

And I didn't want to like him initially. Yeah, and I was like, you know, here's another one of those guys. You have to what's he what's he play? You watch him? He makes plays? Oh, he'd be a great He's got an attitude. Yeah, I'm a fan of I know. We got a question on Twitter earlier someone comparing him to Roy Williams and kind of worried about he's another Roy Williams's. Roy Williams was a good straight line athlete. Derwin James is a phenomenal is an athlete. He just cover Wait

do you see a move his jumps? I mean he's gonna test way better than we will be talking about him one day there at the Combine, trust me. Oh yeah, uh one more real which this? Yeah, we got about another minute from offensive line. Same thing, But Caleb brings up a good point. I know this is the draft show, but linebacker you've just told us is not a deep position in the draft. Yeah, get some questions there. It's another spot where I think it would be smart to

pick up a free agent. I know Caleb Caleb mentioned Derek Johnson. You know, he's going to be released by the Chiefs. He's a high profile name of I mean, he's University of Texas. He's a dinosaur by NFL standards, But that is still I mean, if the money's right, that's another spot where that's what the Cowboys love to do. You don't want to leave yourself with a hole where you need to draft a guy. Yeah, they do it. They've done a good job. Well they put it this way,

protecting themselves. Yeah. Remember, I mean we would look at the you know what they did at running back before they drafted Zeke. Yeah, I mean exactly. That's that's kind of what they're m which I wonder, like, you know, everybody has their doubts about Lee and Jalen being able to stay healthy, and I'm just curious to see if they they're they're eternal optimists. So do they see it as the dire need that I do. I don't know. Will we can ask those questions? Got that coming up?

All right, Thank you guys, appreciate all your hard work. Thank you Bronis. Let's go watch some more tape do it draft. She will be back Monday to AM, so stay tuned