Draft Show: A Closer Look At Tight End, D-Line & More

There you go, you're good. Yeah, that's David Hellman doubling as the geographer, scout, whatever you want to call him. The man if many hats man many hats to my right, is one of the best scouts in the league my opinion. Dane Brugler, what's up there, big timer? How about putting that mic in front of your Are we doing? Hey? You know, look, please help me out with this, Okay.

I heard a rumor that before Layton vander Esh picked out his jersey, he saw your senior video when you're running out of the field and saw fifty five and said, I am number fifty five for the Dallas count Double fives. Baby about that? Shouts out too that's the rumor. That's the rumor. Yeah, if you don't know what Dane's talking about, I tweeted it out a picture Bobby Belt from the NFL Network. Quas always comes up with some really cool content.

Rare footage of Brian brought us senor Senior night nineteen eighty six in Baton rouge Me following Roland Barbee. One of the good players we had on that team that day was that Dan Bourne in the background, Like, has he been doing it that long? I honestly don't know. No, that uh, the the announcer, it's about the PA. Yeah, no, I think number fifty five. Somebody is Dallas, Texas T W. White. Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, you're close. But yeah, it was kind

of Garrison. We got it on the old TV Garrison there, I am. Look at this fifty five. Look at that guy with hair? How about that squareness? To me? Didn't it's a better ball security? Yeah, my dad in the background. Dad's lost a lot of weight since that day. Bill Larens Barker shaking my hand. Though, when the last time you saw that video or did you ever see it? I never knew it existed. I never It's probably one of those Cox Cable things, Dave. You know Baton Rouge.

Oh yeah, they film it in Nate like every big name program. Yeah, you can find the craziest stuff online. I'm like, people just archive their games. I went, which I went? I spent like thirty minutes watching the Tennessee Florida State National title game a couple of nights ago. I just know a Taylor Stern gave it the great nickname. It's the the Great Time Machine, yep, and that you know. I tried to explain to my son how great of a frontman Freddie Mercury was and I had to show

him live aid in you know, nineteen eighty five. Good stuff. So anyway, um, I appreciate you guys mentioned it. And no, I don't think Layton Vanderish as the rumor. I think Layton Vanderish would have a zone on this one though. I have a better player than you. Yeah, thank you. We're gonna get in some fun things today with the Draft show. I do want to, uh, Dave, I want you to kind of run through a in the second

half of the show. Yeah, we've got to tell me more, not tell me where it's give me a Twitter on the twenty coming up at twenty. Want to get to all your questions. We only if we can take some calls today too. I'd like that eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven is the number we can do that. I love the interaction we have. Kent Gerson is executive producing, and you're gonna You're gonna love our listeners are gonna love this would you rather? Segments

you put together? Because I'm going down in this list. We're basically gonna break down. I would say half of the hot names that people are yeah, this is, this is, yeah, you know, would you rather? Is? We're gonna just gonna Dame brug and I are gonna go back and forth and I haven't heard these names yet. Oh yeah, yeah. This will be fun because these guys, a lot of these guys are really close within the position and would

you rather? And we're gonna get We're gonna try and give some quick reasons why one or the other, you know, and we'll see if we can do that. But you know what, I want to get to guys. The opening this show, though, Scouts are you know, I'm starting out have breakfasts. The Scouts are here at the star are

they're getting ready for the combine and all that. Though, you know, Dane and Dave when they dig in, when they really dig in, now, you know they've got their areas, they've got their areas that their response before, and they'll have their cross checks and things like that. Though what are they what are they going to experience? What are they What's something that's going to be surprising to them

about this draft? You know, again, they might be in their region of the country in the southeast, but what are they going to be surprised about this draft? And maybe that question is there is there some type of is there a myth to this draft? You know what I'm saying, is there something that you know, we're already kind of thinking that, oh, people have kind of got it going this way, but you know, but that's that's

a myth. There's something else. But what are these scouts as they get in and they start digging, Because Dane, you've you've really you've dug in, You're you've got this scene pretty covered sure well, and scouts around the country. I'm trying to catch up to you, and I want to know, is is there something that we're you're hearing now? But it's really a myth about this draft. Well, I think first and foremost, or the players in this draft.

First and foremost, you're trying to catch up to the underclassmen, right, because you know you did the bulk of your work was done on the seniors throughout the throughout the year, and then the juniors you knew who were coming out, right, But there's always surprisers, there's always I mean, this year we had one hundred and thirty five juniors come out underclassmen. First time ever we've come close to that number. Um, I think twelve more than last year or something like that.

So you know, it's, uh, it's a case where you're playing a little bit of catch up. Even when you you know you had an area and you know the player from the season, you're just playing a little bit of catch up to make sure you know everything about the guy background so there's no surprises at the combine. So when you do go to the combine, you know the right questions to ask during the interviews, you have a full understanding who the player is, and you're not

surprised by anything. In terms of a myth, you know, I think when we when you stack the positions, because that's what I mean. All teams do it differently in terms of draft board and when they actually do it. A lot of teams will stack their draft board before the combine, right, Yeah, we used to do that green Bay. We used to do We used to do the skill guys we did after. So we did the skill positions after the combine because then we knew the forty times.

But then we would do offense and defensive linemen before we actually went to the combines. So we would start to set our board before we went to the combine. Again. This is this is nineteen ninety two through nineteen ninety six, you know, and I'm sure that John Dorsey and those guys who came from the Green Bay system probably do a lot of the same thing. But what are some of the things they're strugg they're gonna struggle with. What

are some of those things? Is there's something, as you know, are are there positions that these guys are to come in and feel like they can draft at all day? Well and the other ones you're gonna say, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't want to say it's a myth, but I wonder if maybe it's overblown because we've even we've talked about it here and it's a logical talking point just when you look at the top of the board that ever, you know, this is a defense heavy draft. There's no

you know, the common line of thing. He's like, well, there's no offensive players in this draft, nobody worth getting excited about. But like that's never true, you know, Well, I mean, especially like you go down one through two fifty six, like they're gonna be players. We're putting together a very enticing looking list of wide receivers. Talk plenty about some of these running backs. Y'all keep telling me this is a very deep tight end class. So clearly

both of those things can't be true. And maybe, you know, maybe eight of the first ten picks are going to be defense. Maybe you won't see a wide receiver off the board until the twenties or the thirties or the forties. But that doesn't mean that those there aren't talented players to be found. Or we could see a surprise and see a wide receiver go top ten like we did two years ago when Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross

All went to top ten. Was a surprise. Yeah, no one expected three wide receivers are go in the top ten. You think that you think that might happen this, I mean three, No, way right, I can't find the first round wide receiver right now. The thing is is DK Metcalf and Marquis guys. Yeah, we're talking about high upside guys. Yeah, if you're a team that is missing an explosive element

on offense and you know Marquis Brown could potentially fill that. Yeah, DK Metcalf has huge upside as a number one receiver in this league. You just have to you know, get him there, you know, in terms of developing him as a runner, as a finisher, keeping him in the football field. So there are I can make a strong case why

you shouldn't be in the top ten. But when you break down just the physical freak that he is, the high upside that he offers, you know, if he can be a true number one in this league, then you

know it's gonna be enticing. I think an interesting question will be, and this is a question for both of you, who will be the first running back, wide receiver, tight end, just of those three positions, who will be the first drafted I'm gonna well, I'm not I saw you talking about this on Twitter this morning, so I know your answer, are you well, yes, yeah, I'm not sure it's my for sure, guests, but I think there's a strong chance. Oh it's good tight end. He thinks the old hawkeyets. Yeah,

oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I mean, no, ILL tell you what though that context? Right? Oh no, I love the Alabama running back. Let's put that in context. When was the last time and I have no idea when was the last time that happened? When was the last time? The first Vernon Davis probably? Yeah? What ten? He went like fifth oh five to San Francisco. Yeah, gosh, yeah, went like nine? He wasn't was he nine? Was he top ten? But even Eric Ebron went behind Sammy Watkins

and Evans? Yeah yeah, yeah, oh no, you'd have to do some research. I think Vernon Davis might be it. Jeez. Any there's no chance that Jacobs gets taken before that, right, the Alabama running back? Absolutely it could. I mean, look, Harmon at wide receiver, would he be? What's the ceiling on metcalf? You think? So? I don't like that. Look you just gave me about Harman well in the receiver. North Carolina state right in the talking about him being

in the first of those three positions drafted. That would surprise me. Yeah. I like Harmon, but that would surprise me if he's the first um. Who is the first wide receiver on your board? I'm going with Metcalf. Okay, just because of the high upside. Now, I wouldn't take him top ten, but late first round. Yeah, that's where him and Marky's Brown. I haven't seen a tight end is going to go before the late first round. Probably tight ends, tight en keep going the top ten. Detroit

at eight, Buffalo, Detroit again, and oh my god. And then they're hey, they're they were right about the guy who played well at Indianapolis this year. Buffalo at nine. Help out your young quarterback, Green Bay. Let me ask you this or the tight ends in this draft? Okay, here comes the myth. Here is this? The myth? Are the tight ends and the are the wide receivers better than the tight ends in this draft? That's a that

would be a myth, wouldn't it. Well, I think that kind of goes I don't want to say it's a myth, but that kind of goes to my point. When I look at the Cowboy. I said it the wrong way there Boys, something we did. When I look at the Cowboys, like I I trust that a receiver you who are going to find at fifty eight is more likely to contribute early than a tight end that you find at fifty eight. That's just that's just NFL trends more so than this specific class. So, you know, Hockinson and Fan

are like argue. I mean, if you could get those guys, that would be great. And I'm far more intrigued by those guys than Marquise Brown. But that's from the Cowboys perspective. That's about about two about two of the smallest explosive players on the same club at Oklahoma with that quarterback, oh yeah, and this wide receiver well in the Kyler Murray discussion, that's and that running back they have. If you didn't have a medical issue, he'd be considered pretty

highly too. I think, yeah, I don't know if you can make it in the first but yeah, he'd be probably fifty type of guy. Yeah. Yeah. When I finished his report, watching his tape, you just saw a lot of James Connor, which that big body, but the ability to you know, have the patience to read his blocks, take strong cuts. Um, yeah, I think you see a lot of that. Okay, medicals would be big for him. What position you think then it's going to be the

biggest reach. It's always quarterback. It's always gonna be a quarterback. Well maybe not all take take this year, take take okay, this year. It is absolutely okay. I don't think there's a even even Dwayne Haskins, who is the top quarterback for me, and I think the favorite too. So any quarterbacks is taking the first round other than Haskins to you is probably our reach in my opinion. Yes, wow,

that that that's just that's terrifle. I mean Kyler Murray's the wild card just because like I like him better than I like Lamar Jackson last year and I have Lamar Jackson. I think Raid is my thirty two best player. So I don't think I'll have a first roun on great on Kyler, but I like them better than the more Jackson as a prospect, and I'll probably have him ready hire. Could he rise on your board, like like

the kid at Kansas City did Mahomes? You kind of started off Mahomes at fifty Yeah, and then you have to talked about this before. It's just it's hard with these quarterbacks because it's one thing to study them on tape and see what they can do, but it's such a mental position, right and without and especially the guys

from the Big twelve. Yeah, and if you can't don't have a chance to sit down with them, break down plays and coverages on a whiteboard with them, Yeah, it's hard to really understand where they are mensely in their development, how much they know, how much they don't know, uh, because that's such a big part of the quarterback evaluation. So it's we're just on the outside looking in. We're at a disadvantage with these quarterbacks, and especially with a

guy like Kyler Murray. I never get that right. It's just it's it's tough. It's it's you watch the tape. That's what you can go on. Give me a position, though, Guys, you feel like you could draft that all day. I mean, we mentioned tighten, but it didn't get there. Verds. I love the edge rushers in the first two rounds. Can I just cheat and say defensive line? I mean yeah, although I will say I don't think the defensive tackle

class is as steep as it was last year. Yeah, or as as much as we talked, we talked about being like or not we but people talked about the defensive tackle class being, you know, the clearly the best position group in this draft. I don't think it's the top three and if you include see now that I was that that is a widely perceived thing in this draft classes. Why did I feel like that I could get a fourth round defensive tackle. Oh, you probably can, but I mean a guy that could help you. Sure, No,

I think that's fair. I mean, you get a Daylon Mac from Texas A and M sure. Yeah. But in terms of this defensive tackle class being historic, would you call it an accurate It seems top heavy to me? Like there's definitely five or six really intriguing prospects in the maybe the first two rounds. Yeah, after that, and I honestly, I think the edge rushers are more top p well, I think the edg rushers are more top heavy plus deeper because with edge rushers, you know, I

feel Rosa Allan sweat Farrell feel great about Bosta. Best player in this draft easily. Yeah, And that's gonna make that mistakes after that. Josh Allen from Kentucky who I have some issues with some of the stuff. Yeah, I like him. I'm not sure he's the clear cut number two pick some people think, but I like him. Cleveland Farrell, did Chi Polite, who I like better than you. Yeah, Polite. People reach out to me about Polite because they are like,

why why do you not like Polite? And I trust me, if whatever your gut feeling is on Polite is probably right as opposed to get no, And I mean I got wrong with you know, I just I see a two hundred forty nine pound guy. That's what I mean. I kind of you're not wrong. And but but I like Sweat who's two fifty two. So what kind of logic is that? What's a better run the lodder? Yeah, so what's a better run defender? Did Chi Polite, who by the way, it was two hundred and seventy pounds

when he got there. Yeah, now a boy, Yeah, but he was a subpackage, you guy, he wasn't asked to be a contribute as a run defender on a consistent basis. But you know, these guys, there's a lot of potential there, whereas with defensive tackle. You know, QUINNI Williams the best defensive tackle in his draft. Jeffrey Simmons shortly after that. Yeah, and then you've got Christian Wilkoms and Oliver m So I think that's fair to call it top heavy because

then it falls off. I think a little bit um, you know, once you get past that, and you think you're in a little trouble if you have to get a linebacker in this draft. I mean, I haven't done them all, haven't studied them all, but you think you're in a little trouble. Not a great group for linebackers. But okay, I'll put it this way. Linebackers are safeties. Which one which the first few linebackers drafted last year?

How many we saw Edmunds, um, Georgia Evans, Edmunds, sorry not Evans, vander esh Rashaun Evans, Oh yeah, I got, I got. I'm not crazy, Yeah, I got the draft right here. So so those four linebackers right there, would you take any of these linebackers ahead of those four? Was that Roquan Smith was at eight just I'm just gonna go through it again, and then Tremaine Edmunds sixteen sixteen, good job? Yeah, And then you had Vanderesh at nineteen,

it's Evans at twenty two. Tennessee. It's so hard not to think about their production, rookie production when you're answering it is because like, right right, you take any one of these guys in the last draft over these guys right now, That's what I'm asking. Yeah, yes, but of yeah, of Devin White. I don't know. I'm like Jack Wilson, those guys. I might take Devin White over Evans, but the top three it's tough. Yeah, Edmonds, you would take

him out or you would take him out. If I hadn't seen all these guys play as rookies, I might have different opinions, like, yeah, I'd take Devin White over a couple of those guys. I think back to like how not sold. A lot of people were on Layton vander Esh at the time, and then you got Devin White, who just annihilated everything in the SEC for like three years.

I think it sounds stupid. You watch the guy put together a Rookie of the Year type season, but it wouldn't have been a crazy conversation a year ago, you know. So yeah, I mean we're so high on Roquan Smith. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think. I don't think there's anybody at linebacker I'm gonna talk about like him. No, no, no. But also selfishly, you know, my job is to provide the Cowboys perspective, like, yeah, I don't care. We don't have to worry about it.

That's that's somebody else's problem. And you have to drive linebacker class. I mean, like Devin White, I think it's the first round linebacker. I love Devin Bush, Love Devin Bush. Yeah, short though, Yeah, that's the thing. It's the length is what worries me. Yeah. Mack Wilson from Alabama, I think has upside. You know, I think he could be a three down player in the NFL. But really run you

really worry about the consistency. Um My boy from Hawaii to Vye could buy you need to watch sleep folks, don't Yeah, don't sleep on the If you find Hawaii tape, check it out. Um. Jermaine Pratt from NC State to von Koni from these I need to see these guys from Stanford. I saw him at the Senior Bowl. I think there was a more. I mean I think Pratt's probably maybe might get in the second round. But Coney um Okareki he's a third round guy. So yeah, I

think it does drop off pretty quickly. And the top guys aren't guys that you really get excited about like last year. Yeah I was. I was more excited about the group last year. I think I took time during this segment to look at Dane's two round mock that he just put up on the Athletic a little while ago. Um So, like I said, defense heavy at the top of this thing, right, He's got eighteen defenders going in the first round, and four of his offensive picks or quarterbacks.

So and you know quarterbacks are always their own category, so I think another five are offensive linement. Yes, well you've only I think Markus Brown. I think and and Hockinson are the only skill players you have. Oh and Jacobs and Fat made it at the end of four. Yeah. Four, not many. It's not a lot. So it's just gonna be so the first night of draft, we're gonna be all talking in the draft twenty twenty two of the thirty seventy seven days away. By the way, on the draft,

there you go, they're gonna give me anxiety. Yeah, twenty twenty two of the thirty two defenders and quarterbacks. That's crazy. Yeah, I want to go look at the breakdown for other years. But that's but that's my point though, is Okay, that's the first round, but there there's value to be had. It's like I said, I don't want to call it a myth, but it is a talking point that's going to be beaten into the ground. All right, we're going

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You love it. I love Periscope. I love the interaction. I love how you're able to kind of uh talk to people quickly and you can kind of scroll down and see something. So we do appreciate all that. Uh. I also want to uh thank at K. Hill for this because it's one of my favorite segments that we do every week. It is. I'll turn it over to David Helmet, go ahead, David got some good ones today, Yeah, I have. Have you been talking about this on Twitter?

We've got a lot of people in the mentions talking about trading into a round one and it just sounds like a very broadest. That's something I love to do. Yeah, exactly. It's a very brought us uh idea. I had somebody asked me what it would take to trade to Marcus Lawrence what what could you do to get you know, could you trade to Marcus Lawrence to get back in the first round? Probably? Serious? Why would you do that? Though? Well, I'm just saying no, I mean there's there's you know,

people you're gonna draft. That's yeah, that's what we're talking about. Rudin get out of here. No, No, we were talking

about those defensive ends and stuff like that. But you know, you know what, I let me ask you this, if you had if you had the similar situation to what you have now with Layton Vanderesh and also with h with also with Jalen Smith and You're and you're it's like with Sean Lee, if you if you had that kind of situation where you had an established player but you had to two guys that you felt really really

good about. See, people don't feel good about Taco and they don't and they really don't trust and they really don't trust Randy Gregory right now. But if they did if either one of those, if that doesn't exist, though there there's no if because that's not the case. No, but if okay, if that, but they do have it at linebacker, they're gonna make a move at linebacker I'm aut defensive end though. I'm just telling you, though, if you felt good about these that they drafted guys too,

but eventually try and take over, didn't they. Why are you trying to get me to fight you right now? Non? No, literally no. Marcus Lawrence is the centerpiece of the line and it is a very What could you get for him right now? Probably a decent amount. Could you get the same Hall you got from Chicago day? Um? Probably not? Yeah, I'm probably not quite as much. Could you get one in the three out of it? I'd be shocked if he couldn't. Ye, I would like to think you could. Okay,

shocked if okay, one on three? Okay, that's how you get back in this draft? Gross? Which all right, well here, all right, let's actually take No. I'm just saying, if that's you know you want that, you look, you look at options, you franchise him, and then you trade. It shouldn't be I don't send good players away from your team. We worked okay for the Raiders, right it was a good, awesome idea, and then John Gruden got up there after

every game we just can't get to the quarterback. Let's see who they pick Okay, I'm not trying to defend Gruden. I'm just telling you you guys see, we shouldn't be close minded about options. We're not closed minded about getting into the ring closed mind. It's fine, we'll talk about it. Okay, we talked about it. Boom, No, it's no longer an option. Fair enough. What's your question? This is a good one from Facy. This is the type of advanced thinking I like.

I liked your question. I favored it. I think Round two has traditionally been around that the front office is willing to take a risk on players, whether medical or character reasons. With no first round pick this year, that changes things. So what's more likely taking a risk with that pick or trading up? Because I do agree that the fact that this is your first pick of the draft kind of takes away some of your what it's

flexibility right with who you want to pick there. It makes you have second thoughts about packaging two and a three to go up and get somebody, because if you pack you your two and three, you're only getting into like the now. You got a compensatory fourth now too, but you're only getting into like the forties. It's not like we're talking about trading a second or third and

getting into the late first round. If you trade your second in your third, you're only getting up, okay a little bit, if you're gonna go up to get to the forties. And and I had this question asked me last night about Adderly, the safety. I don't think they would trade up for a safety. But we last year we were talking about Sutton and how we were gonna get to Indianapolis at forty and draft a wide receiver. Yeah, we were talking about that, Cortland Sutton, Yeah, from SMU.

But okay, who who do you have in mind? Who would you trade up? What would you trade up for in this draft? Which is another's that we actually Yeah, I think that they're gonna take. I don't think they're gonna take a medical risk player. I don't I don't think they're gonna take that. And I don't think they're gonna take a characterist guy at fifty eight. Answer to answer her question, not having the first round pick, you don't have that leniency this year, like this guy needs

to contribute right right away. Yeah, and so I think I don't think they would be as willing to do that. Um, so you don't think they go for more of an upside player. You think they need someone that's going to contribute your one, absolutely, I mean yeah, I know, okay. They everybody keeps saying your first round picks Amari Cooper, that's fine, but like what do we always say, like your first, second, and third round pick should be able to play a role. Yeah, even that's different than all

I said was contribute. I didn't say he had to be a pro bowler. No, no, no, But I think it's okay. Like, for instance, in my two round mark I gave Renell Wren. Yeah he's raw. Yeah, but he's a guy that you project him forward and you think he's going to be a contributor, but he might not start for you as a rookie. Will he play? Yeah, I mean he will. I just need him to. Yeah,

that's okay. That's especially with Rod Marinelli. Like a first round pick isn't gonna just play all the snaps on the defensive line, right, So that doesn't bother me, all right, take they wouldn't take a first round tackle anyway, We've learned that or lesson about that, haven't, which I'm curious about that is, like, since this is their first pick in the draft. You know, do they apply that us

go ahead and didn't take it? Yeah? No, do they know they're like, well, we can't use our first pick on a d tackle, especially considering you know, Christi Shard. How much say does he have in terms of that great segue, Dave. I love it because Jason says, of the popular needs to address at fifty eight D tackle safety receivers, tight end, who can the Cowboys most afford to wait on? Meaning he's saying, you know, he thinks that wide receiver in tight end you can get value

on day three. Yeah, YadA, YadA. I think, so what do y'all think? Wide receivers? Probably any it's easier to find wide receivers on day three than it is any other position, especially we're talking about contributing early um and this is a deep wide receiver class. Yeah, so I think that would probably be the easy answer. Like a lot of these tight ends you like, but we're talking

about you know, Dalton Schultz situation. You know, guys, fourth round, I mean we had better grand I mean he was taken in the fifth right, fourth round, that's right, because yeah, I think, to me, the kid Sternburger makes a lot of sense here Texas, Texas A and M. But you have to take him at fifty eight. I think I don't think he's gonna be there, and you're with your late third, let alone the fourth. I didn't get to

take him at fifty eight. You see him as a second round player, you see him as a late too early three. Yes, late too early three. Okay, I think I see him at the top seventy five pick. Okay, I gotta love with that, all right. So let me ask you this, would you rather move up in the third round or move up in the second round? You know, it depends who's there. If I'm moving up, the only way I'm moving up is this for a guy that I have a high grade on that's fall Like if IRV.

Smith from Alabama somehow he falls to pick forty two, I will go I will trade my second, my third to go up and get IRF. Smith. I would feel okay doing that. Yeah. So what you sort of just said right there is they kind of need to pull the trigger on a defensive tackle if they can sooner rather than later. Yeah, I mean I think so, um, because I think I thinks among those positions. I think wide receiver would be the easier one to fall or

it's kind of stretch. I think wide receivers will stretch, there's no question, especially if if what they're looking for is a slot slot receiver. I mean, not to take anything away from those guys, it is the easiest position of the wide receivers. Talking about an X, Y or Z. It is easier to find that why that slot receiver later in the draft compared to an X or a Z or some of the other positions. Yeah, you gotta Dane Brugler special for you? What not? Really, he didn't.

He didn't play at Division three or anything. He played in the SEC. But Sam Sam is one of about six people that asked me about Georgia tight end Isaac Naa. Isaac not a not a bad player. Ah. David Hellman appreciate it, I really do. Kind of like the rest of George's offense, the receivers Ridley and Icole, Hardman and Holliman underused, underutilized. Um. But he's he was the top tight end coming out three years ago as a recruit. And you see why. A really good sized kid. He

can run UM. He's reliable at the catch point. I think he had the best catch rate of any tight end in this group. Um, I think thirty five targets, thirty receptions something like that. So not a lot of usage. You know, the sample size isn't there, but you think there's more. You can get more out of him, similar to the way you think there's more and Riley Ridley. Uh,

just sample size isn't great. So I to me, when you look at these tight ends, him Smith, IERF Smith easy to top three tight ends, you're not going to change for you. No, it's that's the top tier Hawkinson fan. And you even said this about this tight ends that even if even if fan has a better workout, yeah than as a kid. No, you're not going to change that. Trust part part of it. Oh he's gonna trust a tape. Part of the reason you like fans because he is

a great athlete. Yeah. So if he doesn't perform well, then that's a fred flag. But if he does perform well, okay, that's what you expected. The same thing with DK Metcalf. When DK Metcalf at six four and two hundred and thirty pounds goes out and runs a you know, four to four four, it shouldn't skyrocket upboards because that's what you're up. He'll be talked about. That'll be the buzz, although I'm he probably's not gonna work out of the combine.

We'll see. He was medically clear, but I don't know if he's ready. Yeah. Well, I'll get more inful one that later. Um, But okay, the top three tight ends Hawkinson Fan Smith, to me, those are the top three tight ends. And then you have a group of Sternberger, Nada, Cayden, Smith, Docks and Knox Dawson Knox. Those guys are in that second to fourth round range where you know you maybe

don't have to trade up for a tight end. No, no, maybe my idea of going up and getting one of those guys, or you talked about IRV Smith, I would trade up for IRF Smith is Again I think he's well how close he did? I need to watch the Georgia Kid obviously, but how close is the Georgia kid too? Is he? Him? And Sternburger. I've got a for Sternburger's four among the tight ends and not as five for me. There you go, So I think I've got a told me I don't have to trade up for a tight end. Well,

you don't have to. But the thing, the thing that you always have to keep in mind is like that they could feel completely differently, like they could be like, well, if sternburgers there, that would be great. We're not a sounds really good. They're not taken not Yeah, but for whatever reason, they won't like him. I think another thing, whatever reason they won't like it. But that's just the

way this works. I'm not saying that specifically. Another thing for fans to keep in mind though, is tight end traditionally is one of the positions where we don't see a lot of rookie success and boom and thank you Dane and a big reasactly. A big reason for that is because, you know, for the similar reasons we don't see a lot of rookie receivers have instant success is because of chemistry. Rot running is tougher cover. The coverage j C in the NFL is night and day. The

coverage it's on. I'm waiting for that guy at Tampa to show upward. Yeah, and with tight ends, not only you factor in the route running and being a proficient receiver, but the blocking Titans have to I was wrong about Dalton Schultz. I was way too optimistic by him coming in here and starting, oh yeah, that was stupid on my part. And you're right, you're you're not wrong about that. Did you see I saw this tweet last night in

twenty thirteen. Twenty thirteen saw Tyler Eifert, zach Ertz, Vance McDonald, Travis Kelsey, and Jordan Reid all get drafted. Is that good? Cowboys drafted Gavin Escobar and just I'm scarred, I'm scarred at this by this position. Like Blake Jarwin came on strong, Schultz is gonna get better as he gets stronger and works, Like I just, I'm not trying to since you're a cowboy expert on this panel. You're a cowboy expert. You

know some things. No, but I'm just saying, since you're the expert, that's why we have you here, among other things. Do you feel better about the coaching situation now that maybe that this guy, that maybe that Doug Nussmer has a way of getting guys ready and maybe the evaluation of the position will be a little bit better and maybe that you know, we saw improvement from those guys, well, and well that's does that give you a little hope that's not going to make the mistakes that they made

in the past. That's what gives me hope that I don't need to press the panic button at tight end honestly, because I'm not trying to pretend like their pro bowlers. But we saw they approved all. Both of those guys make some pretty big strides and they certainly weren't liabilities. As I mean, Jarwin especially was a big contributor toward the playoff push. And it's got It's got nothing to do with their ability to evaluate tight ends or nuss

Myer's ability to coach them. It's just a hard position to acclimate to, especially when half the offenses in college are like the tight end position is completely different, like that you might as well be playing a different sport. Do you agree with he just said about the evaluation the coaching of the position in terms us tight end specifically, Just yeah, yeah, I mean, well we look at I think that has something to do with it. I think you've got to evaluate these guys the right way, David,

what you talk about before you pick them. Yeah, we had the same evaluation. Is that you love Schultz, I know, but it's not like they made a mistake picking the guy. No, but I'm just saying though, I'm just trying to figure out I think I think I'm more confident about the group net are the way they're evaluating them now than I was four or five years ago. Oh, if you want to go back that, well, yeah, everything they do now it seems proven track record a little being better.

I mean, yeah, I think the Cowboys are drafting. I mean, they're one of the top five organizations in the league in terms of hitting in the draft overleap five or six years. Yeah, I mean, any history says that's that's pretty accurate because I mean they've had some mixed results on Day two, but Day one, except for really just Taco, the last few years has been lights out. It's been the foundation of why this team is a playoffs. Their Day two results look a hell of a lot better

in twenty nineteen than they have recently. Jalen Randy Gregory's playing pretty well. So who's you, yeah, Geeto, Yeah, yeah, no question, But I think I mean, really, besides Gavin Escobar, I don't know if they've really missed on the tight end position. Well, they've gotten rid of a good one. Yeah, I mean Bennette Martellis that was more about Garrett's brother coaching him, messing him up. No, and blame him. I

think it would be lunacy. It would be lunacy to assume that, you know, they can't find a good tight end this year because of Gavin Escobar or Martellis Bennett or Anthony Fasano or any of that stuff, like that's ancient history. If they don't draft a tight end second or third round, is there a point in drafting a tight end? And on Day three exactly because we gotta

be so. We gotta be so. Like on day through the draft, when when we start getting close to their pick and we're start talking about best players on the board, are you guys gonna keep pushing the tight end? They don't take one? Not pushing a tight end. Who once you get to the fourth, fifth round, sixth round, seventh round, who are you looking at? That is an upgrade over who you have on the roster already. I'm not sure there is. If I was in charge of this thing,

I would sign a moderately priced free agent. It could be Jeff Swame, it could be somebody else's tight end, and I would worry about tight end next year when I have a first round pick. There you go, that's me, That's just me. Thanks for all the questions. So we're gonna take our final break. When we come back, we're gonna play what day game we got for you to play? Would you rather? Would you rather? Next? If you're like me and you love I mean, if you have a thing,

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We appreciate all you very much and UH look forward to always doing these shows every week. We've got to combine coverage coming up at the end of the month, we'll be there the whole entire week with shows. Should have a list, official invite list coming out here next today or tomorrow should be Yeah, so make sure you check out. You know, it's kind of Burgler or before we know it, David Hellman's account Hellman DC or Dane

will definitely have it before me. Okay, Scott, we'll have snubs and surprises and yeah, a couple read that snubs list, Philip Lindsay, anybody, Yeah, yeah, well I take a long look at the snubs list. I started on my this snubs list this morning because I've heard a few including like Darwin Thompson from Uta State, um, Michael Dogbe from Temple a few others. But um, there's last year there were thirty eight players drafted who weren't at the Combine.

So just because a guy doesn't get a Combine invite, right, not mean that he's you know, not gonna get drafted. So thirty eight players. That's I think fifteen percent of the draft. It's a pretty high percentage to get drafted and not be at the comment. Yeah, and next week when we have our show, we'll probably get into those what's the what's the flip side of that, like how many guys that get invited to Combine don't get drafted?

Probably like sixty I've got it right here. Um, last year Combine invites to go undrafted one hundred and eighteen players, So one hundred and eighteen guys that got invited to the Combine didn't get drafted, correct, Holy crap, that's a poor job at the league. There were three hundred and thirty six players invited last year. That's almost that's a third of your talent's thirty five point one percent. That's insane.

Two hundred and eighteen player the three hundred and thirty six are invited, two hundred and eighteen percent or two hundred and eighteen players were drafted sixty four point nine percent, one hundred and eighteen were undrafted thirty five point one percent. That's not good, thank you, Jason, And I mean that's pretty consistent. I did the last five years. Get a sample set, run through that real quick um combine invites

to go undrafted. Last year was one hundred and eighteen year before one oh five, year before one hundred and seventeen, year before that, one hundred and eight year before that one hundred and eleven. So every year it's been pretty consistent. I know, about a third, just over a third of your draft pool. Wow, I know, I mean, ay, it's a hard target to hit, but I gotta believe you could get it up toward eighty percent. Yeah, we need it. We will get into that next week. Okay, get to

thee These would you rather? Would you rather? And would you rather? Is players within a position, within a round. These are these are the guys you have done a good job with this. These are all guys that I hear getting mentioned in the Okay, Brad, well, Okay, we got fifteen minutes to kind of get through this list, so let's give it a little longer. Would you rather? Iwa State running back David Montgomery or Memphis running back

Darryl Henderson. That's a good one. I like that a lot because that's two guys I have rated very similar, but they offered different things. One's more home run threat, one's more, you know, tougher between the tackles. Um I would prefer I would take Montgomery for IA State because I think he's gives me a little more value as a three down player, a little more reliable. But Henderson's a home run threat. Yeah, this is where this is

the one. I mean, I I love Henderson, I like them both, but Henderson at Memphis it's just it's five a one ninety nine. But you know, to me, I just saw a guy that was an explosive player. I mean, I mean, you know, another guy was just more of a kind of you know, just a pounder, bad weather back, you know, kind of a running between the tackles, and

you know, you know, one's a grinder one exactly. And I think with me, with Henderson, I just didn't feel like that he needed much room to make something big happen. And I think the other guy needs more room. I really do not. And again I'm not trying to, you know, but if you gave me a choice, I'm taking Henderson myself. I just think he's I think Montgomery is if you want to if you want a tough guy that catches the ball, and you know who to pick up on

the blitz and all that stuff. He's he's got some complete back to him. But I didn't see a guy that really had the speed to turn the corner and stuff like that. But no, there's nothing special about him as an athlete, right, He's just a steady, steady player. But I give me the explosive guy in this case, my player comparison for Henderson. Yeah, Dalvin Cook, I think you see a lot of similar all right, swerving in and out there you go. I worry a little bit

about that offense. I mean that offense opened up some huge holes for him. Yeah, but it's gonna be about a quarterback there, Dalvin Cook. Darius Geics, like history says like a pretty good running back is gonna be there in the Cowboys range. How many running backs you have ahead of Henderson on your board so far? Let me tell you Jacobs. Jacobs is really the only one. Okay, actually actually actually take that back, Uh, I have I like Trey Williams, and I like Singletary ahead of yeah,

ahead of Henderson, tray ViOn Williams. Williams. Yeah from a m Yeah, I agree with you on those. The only other guy, I would add, is I like Damian Harris. Damon Harrison's Damon Harris is like seventy five percent version of Zeke. That's who he is. Yeah. Yeah, he's not one hundred percent Zeke. He's not Zeke, but he's like seventy five percent Zeke. All right, I gotta speed y'all up? Yeah? Sorry? Uh? Would you rather Hakeem Butler wide receiver Iowa State or

Texas his own Jordan Humphrey? Mmmm? It kind of depends on what you want, a slot or an outside stretch guy, you know, like what you know, what do you really need in your offense? Because little Jordan Humphrey is that big, oversized slot receiver who can find those open zones, help you on crossers, strong at the catch point. He's gonna high point well. And meanwhile, Butler is more of the downfield threat where jump balls and you know he's gonna

Humphrey makes some place down the field. Yeah yeah, but I know what you're saying. So I mean, I guess I take probably, and I feel better about little Jordan Humphrey in terms of what I'm getting. I feel better about understanding what I'm getting. But Butler's got more. I think more upside because of those big play potential that he has. Could could how they run be the factor? And who's taken first. I don't think either is gonna

run very well. That's what I'm saying, though. Yeah, I mean if one runs better, if one train's better, it happens to run better than the other. Are we going to see a guy go one over the Butler's probably gonna run like a four or five six and Humphrey's gonna run like a four six one? Yeah, something like that, you know, and everybody's not gonna like him. And then you watch the tape and they both make plays down I means ran a four or five eight, Yeah, it's

not Michael Thomas ran a four five seven. Yeah. Wide receiver is a technical position. I'd take Humphrey over this guy. Yes, I agree. All right, here's glad you had an answer. Well, that's true, but I do like Humphrey a lot. This is one cowboy fans will like this one. Um Stanford tight end, Cayden Smith or a and M's Jay Sternburger. Who would you rather? I'm taking Sternburger. Sternburger. I'm surprised you didn't like Katon Smith that much. I just struggled.

I like him a lot better than Dalton Schultz was lash year. It was Brian's guy. Yeah, Dalton Schultz he hates all of a sudden. No, I don't hate him. I don't hate him. I just I it was disappointed in him. Not mad. I disappointed. No, it's disappointed because I felt like that he was. I felt like he was gonna come in and start. It's got three more years on his kind, I know, but I just felt like that. You know, the Stanford. I fell in love

with the Stanford. You just like David Show. So now you're overcompensating the other way, disliking Cayton Smith got burned a little bit by Dalton. So now you're I don't I don't see a guy with much after catch. Here with this guy, all these tight ends, I watched, everybody's doing something after catch that Kayton Smith does not. It does nothing after the catch, did Jason Winton except for that one time without Yeah, I'm saying I just don't

see a guy that extends routes and stuff like that. Well, you want a big time playmaker at tight end, or you'd love yes, that'd be great. But in the third round where you're probably gonna get surer can make plays. It gets We were live watching this guy do well, and that's why I think he's a Sturnburger. If you want him, you have to take him in the second round where Cayton Smith I think he could be there

in the third round. Okay, I think those two players are your day two options for the Cowboys at tight end in a second to be Sternberger and the third by Katon Smith. And they're different. Kane Smith's a chain mover, a guy who's gonna give you more as a blocker. Um, he did you see a guy got much movement though, That's what Bobby Kane Smith. Yeah, he's not an overpowering guy, but he doesn't lose a lot either. I mean he's a sustained guy or you know, he's more of a

stalemate guy, not an overpower guy. Okay, so Sternberger. Sternberger is the answer. He fumbled in overtime for he did by the way, bad bad fumbled. The box score didn't say that it did. It should have Mississippi State defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons or Simmons and done unless you say Quinn and Williams, well Clemson Christian Wilkins, who we already know Dan doesn't like. No, No, I like Christian Wilkins. Okay, do it to flip it the other way. Oh you

don't like Lawrence. I'm sorry, yea flip I flip it the other way. Quinn, Yeah, go Quinnon Williams with that guy. You gotta go Quinnon. Simmons is great, but Quinn and Williams actually gives you are people gonna like Simmons just as much you think no, Williams gives you a better pass rush value. I mean, Simmons can get to the quarterback with that power, but Williams is such a better pass rusher. And if you can create an interior, yeah,

no doubt that's a difference maker. See. I think Quinnon Williams is one of the best players in this draft. He's a number two players in this draft. I think easy does could Simmons could? And maybe not? Like right away, like, could could he play on the edge? Does he have any type of flex like that? He just he doesn't seem like he's built like most defensive tackles. Like he looks leaning six three three eleven. I think he's I mean his calves are huge. Yeah, like he's he's really

really he's just a grown wa talk about him. And those are two physical players. Oh yeah, I mean that's you watch. I mean they how you judge defensive tackles. If you could see their number in their name the whole time, you know, yeah, if they're not getting turned and washed and stuff like that, they're pretty good. These guys. You you you you see ninety four and you know you see those numbers. I think Simmons and Wilkins, that's a good one because I think they they offer something

a little different. Simmons is more of the grown man. He's got more power at the point of attack. Got some off the field stuff too, right, he does. And that's gonna be and that's gonna be a really interesting storyline with him because it's not as bad as I think. You see defensive tackles fall before because of injury and sure, yeah things sure with Christian wilpon Allen, Yeah, definitely with Christian Wilkins, you're getting a guy that's more of an

upfield penetrator. Um, you know, the flexible hips, the way you can get through gaps, um talking to people at clumpson they rave about him. They one guy said that the only, uh, only player they've had that was better from a leadership, maturity integral standpoint was Deshaun Watson. So that's pretty high praise Christian Balkins. So, I mean, that's why Christian what they're both gonna be top fifteen guys. Simmons is a monster though Simmons is rated just ahead

of Wilkins for men, who who would you rather? We're gonna separate the two Devons who we already talked about, but arguable. I mean, if you're looking for a linebacker, your best two bets LSU's Devin White and Michigan's Devin Bush. If Bush were just two inches, you're gonna say this if ifs we're a fifth, we'd all be drunk. Dane, Yes, you're right. I like that. It's just it's tough because and it's not something that we're just getting hung up on,

like arm length and numbers. You see it on tape where oh you do you know he's whether it's getting off blocks or finishing tackles. But he's such a powerful player. He's such a rangy player. Yes, so smart I love so much about Devin Bush. I just the length is going to lead to some negative plays here and there, and you got to live with that. And I think you will live with that. But I think that Devin wits the answer. I'll tell you what though, man for

a shorter guy, he can hold his ground. Yeah, I mean, you're danger right though, you do see some time. But this guy's got a real nose for the ball. He's a smart guy. I mean he sees stuff and he's gone. He's running, I mean sideline to sideline player, he get through the trash phills, gaps. He's short. That's that. He is a five eleven guy, and he might not he might not be five eve I'd be five to eleven.

In my two round mock draft I did this week, I the Packers going jechipool in the two rounds jichipool. Uh Noah fant Devin Bush loved what they got in that draft. I think that'd be a home trying to get a job with the Packers. What do you got going there? If that worked out, it'd be grateful. How close would I mean, I know we kind of touched on this. How close would you stack Devin White to Roquan Smith. I think there's a big difference in instincts there. Yeah,

I do too. Roquan was a stud what though they both create turnovers. Though Devin White well and when he can he can, he's got I feel a lot better about Roquan Smith and coverage too. Yeah, Like I think he's just a lot more natural in that area. Devin White really wasn't asked to do that a lot. He did some spot dropping and you see the range, but he's just more of a C bowl get ball guy where Roquan I think you said a little more instinctual anticipation,

that kind of thing. All right, we got two more to do in three minutes, to do it rapid fire Clemson corner, Trayvon Mullen, Vandy corner, Joe Juan Williams. That's a good one. I like that one. Yeah, I'm not done pretty good so far. Give you credit. Their their tags are touching for me right now based on Brian loves that. He loves to hear that. I love to hear that, you know, because there's but's this, what's the where's what's the round? What's the projection here? By mid

second second? Yeah, for sure. I mean they're both tall, bright guys. Maybe before Dallas picks Joe one. Williams is one of the most physically impressive. Just when you look at him, he's so physically impressive for a corner you would swear, you would swear it's he'd make Jalen Rams you look like his little brother. Yeah. Wow, Like he's just he's so physically Yeah, he's he's really really but good looking kids. He's more of a four five five athlete.

He's gonna get beat with speed. Uh, you know you worry about that. And with Mullen again, he's tall, long rangey, but doesn't have a great fuel with the back to the ball. I mean you could poke holes in both these guys. They just both look really good at in there uh in pads and they run really well. So I don't know who I Mullin slightly ahead of Williams right now, but again tags are touching, you know. I I give me Williams from Vanderbilt and I'm just gonna

I mean, again, they're both tall guys. I love when Brian finds his notes on a guy, but like his face lights No, no, no, I'm just looking at Mullin's notes and stuff like that, and you know, I just I think that he play, Yeah, he does. He plays with more of a burst. Mullin plays with a burst, but he tends to float. You know, you watch me coverage, he floats and that bothers me about him. All Right, you like Williams, I'm cutting out off. Yeah. Thanks, two

guys that Cowboys fans. I have been enamored with safety Taylor rap out of Washington and Jonathan Abram out of Mississippi State. Another one where I have him rated pretty closely. Um, so you had Abram going the pick after the Cowboys I did to the Colts. Uh. He's more of your traditional strong safety. Um. He has arranged to hold up in coverage, but that's not what he does best. He's physical. I love the energy that he brings to the field and he's kind of like an old soul type of guy.

He's married or he as a kid, but he brings it every single time he's on the field. Taylor Raps kind of similar where it's it's a lot of intelligence, it's a lot of understanding angles. Neither are great athletes where you consider them as like a true center field single high type, but they're versatile. They could do a lot of different things. I would go rap, but I have them Raps, my number three safety abras, my number four safety. I'll tell you what it give me rap

I mean. And I appreciate what he's saying about the Mississippi State kid because I don't think he's wrong about that. But with Rap I had my notes were so good on him about time and blitzes, ability to run and close, a quickness of his feet, stays in coverage, He's not afraid to stick his nose in there. He doesn't miss tackles. He's just a tough guy. And I if you're gonna if you want me to have a safety, give me guy that can play near the line, play back noses, assignments,

doesn't make mistakes. But I'll tell you they're both really, really good players. But I would I would draft Rot before I would the other kid. I agree, And so that's a rat. It is a rap I will. I'm curious, you know, safety being a need. Obviously, we'll see how it changes. Yeah, I know Christoph Shard was here last year, but I'm still fascinated by the impact that he could have in He's still gonna have a big impact yet, right, yeah, get ready, I mean the Cam Chancellor. Yeah, they Let's

see what happens round Pitts. Let's see what happens in free agency too with that safety position. Let's see what kind of recruiter Chris raher Shard is. See we can get one of his former players. If not, we're talking about Taylor rapping on the movie ET before I have him ET come Home. Man. I like that, Oh, I like it? All right, Well, that is all the time that we have for the Draft Show today. I just want to thank everybody involved, Dane Burglar, David Hilman, Garrison,

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