Draft Show: A Closer Look At Safety, RB & More

s WBC Mortgage Studios. As the Big Boys Guy says, it's the Draft Show with Brian brought us, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kit Garrison executive producing today and we're joined by one of our scouting friends from one oh five three the Fan, Kevin kat Turner. I can't baby, thank you for having me. Guys, great show. We don't usually see you down here until Draft weekend. Yeah, you don't need me, You guys great enough. We want you. We

absolutely need you. And as you know, as you followed along our coverage of the draft throughout the years, we have a great partnership with one oh five three the Fan with Jeff Kavanaugh and Kevin Turner. This man does a lot of studying. A matter of fact, last night he was in here. We were banging away on some tape and trying to figure some of these positions out. And we're getting down into the to the last kind of bit of it, Dane. We're down to the last,

like thirty five days or so before the draft. You're feeling a little pressure right now. It's nothing but pressure this entire process, because it's you just wish you had more time to watch more of these guys, because it's and that's one of the toughest parts of scouting is when when do you know enough's enough? Okay, Yeah, I just watched four tapes of this guy. I could use

another one, but I think I know him. That's one of the hardest parts when you evaluate these players is knowing, Okay, I know this player, he's exactly this, or do you need to go back and watch more. It's one of the toughest parts of the pole process. Yeah, echoes back to my school analogy. Like in school, you get to a point where you study and study more. You're just like where you just don't study. Like man, You're just like, yeah,

at some point you gotta just say screw it. I either know this or I don't, which Dane, At what point do you get to that point. Probably never. I never feel that. Yeah, yeah, never feel that's filled. I bet you were a better student than I was, too. Well, I mean I love this more than any other class I took it in school. So fair, Katie. You you are you? How's your journey been? I mean we haven't We're picking you up here with you know, a month or so. How's your journey been as far as have you?

And I know we're gonna do something today in the second half. That's a lot of fun, you know, and I'm really excited you're here to be a part of that. We'll see my journey. It gets to a point, especially at this point, where you go pro days are happening and all that stuff, and you go, Okay, I think that matches what I saw and what I know, and then I for this year, my journey has been horrible with linebackers, but I've never really been great at linebackers.

But one thing that I that I always go back to is I find myself trying to listen to you guys too much because I don't want it to affect how I shill. But then I also remember, at least for me, that there really is no mount Everest here. So no matter what I think about a guy, that guy could always end up proving you wrong. You know, you're always gonna miss on someone, sure, I think, And then you always have a guy that then and it

follows you for thirty years of your career. See, and there are a few guys who you call him pet cats. You guys will go to bat four yeah and you and you go, oh my god, he ran an eight h eight on a three cone drill. What am I going to do? Jaylen Ferguson from Louisiana Tech, Yeah, you know, I think that. And Katie's absolutely right here. I think that. You know, we get into a situation. I had a scout stop by as Dave can it tells everybody can test. I got a huge candy bowl on a desk behind

where I sit. Yeah, Dane knows about it better than I do. Dane's a Scout through and through. Katie leads some candy on you too. He'll stand up in the middle of the film and start just munching on candy right and making up chocolate for Lenz. It's been it's been rough. It's been rough. Yeah, Well, the Scouts love chocolate. Scouts just loved it. They get nervous and they like

to eat another story for another day. But you know, you get to a point in time, though, like I said, where you're trying to uh, you know, you're evaluating these guys, and you know you're kind of you're you're you get you know, you're saying, okay, am I am, I do. I had this guy right, and I had again. I had a scout come by grab a couple piece of chocolate from him last night, and he goes, I don't want to listen to anybody tell me about these players.

He goes, that's the problem. He goes, I want to evaluate these players and then I want to go into a meeting. I don't need somebody to confirm it for me yet. Don't tell me about the player. You know. That's like when I watched them with Kat and Jeff, I watched these guys, and or you might have watched guys too, and you're's like going, I I'm just gonna

I'm not gonna tell you about this guy. You tell me what you think about this guy, because sometimes you get, you know, a scout something like, oh, well this is what I think about this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then you haven't done the player and now you're thinking, man, that guy's usually right about players. You don't want to get influenced by that, you know, it's confirmation bias. Yeah, yeah, so I mean I think, I mean, it might be my phone doing that game. I'm sorry, sorry about that. That

That was on periscope. Welcome to the periscope. Yeah, but yeah, I you know, I I think it's kind of one of those things you have to be careful, you know. I mean, I don't like, I'm with you. I don't think there's enough tape you can watch. I think I'm always trying to watch. Even on Draft day. I think I'm gonna try and watch down to the bitter end, watch some more guys. And You're right about the test thing though too. I'm just gonna roll up and say

we got it or we don't. You got it, we don't. Okay, guys, there Kat mentioned this. Pro days are kind of prot Pro days are happening right now. We got some big days that have been happened in Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio state,

you know, just to name a few, is there. You know, we we've seen some guys, uh, you know, we've seen some guys run some times that and I'm talking about a guy like Josh Jacobs, you know, running back from Alabama and all of a sudden, you know, when does the film when And I want to kind of get into this for you guys, when you're watching tape and when does the film just totally take out anything to

do with the work. I know kat was mentioned about the Louisiana tech kid Ferguson, but when does the film just say, you know what, Jacobs runs a four six three. I'm fine with that. He's still my number one back. You know, when is that in your head? When does that start to happen? When does that? You know, when do you just say enough? I'm not I'm not going to look at that time. Holy Fields that way for me,

holy Field from Georgia, the running Back. Brian bit my head off yesterday when I told him about holy Field's time at the Georgia froday because he was he just goes, turn on the tape, Dave, turn on the tape. Yeah, tell me, just go ahead and tell me. Yeah, see to me. I get to a point in time where I watched that tape and you know, and you and I get into discussion about Jouan Williams from Vanderbilt, you know, and I'm thinking that you're like, well, dam brought us.

The tape shows you he gets run by sometimes, you know. But I think he ran a four or five four the other day which made you feel a little bit better at Vanderbilt. But when, but when we when do we do this? When? When is it the when do we say? Guy? We just don't get influenced by the numbers here. I don't watch anywhere near as much tape as the rest of y'all, but wouldn't And you tell

me if I'm wrong. But the way I look at it is if the if, the times, if the drills are just showing you something vastly Ferguson's eight o eight well case in point, like, if you're showing you something, if the tape is showing you something that the numbers don't reflect, that's what bothers me. So like Josh Jacobs running a four six, I don't care because he's not blowing past defenders on his tape anyway, That's not what

he does. If if a Reggie Bush type of running back who's just breaking free into secondaries, play after play, is running a four six steak. Guy gets fetched sometimes that scares me, and that's Jalen Ferguson scares me a little. Bands from Penn State. If if your tape tells me that you're like three steps quicker than the guys you're going against, but it doesn't reflect in the numbers, and then you're like, well, he does play at Louisiana Tech.

He's not going up against like the best prospects. That worries me, whereas Josh Jacobs bowling over sec defenses but not having elite speed doesn't really bother me. And it really depends on the position too. Talking about corner, Toma, Joe and Williams can talk about running back. Big difference to me, corner is a stopwatch position where you care about straight line speed, You care about the caliber of

athlete that player is. Wherewith running back, so much of it is instinct, so much of it is you know that short area quickness. I don't really care about forty yards. I care about what can you do in three yards? And so for Josh Jacobs in running backs as a whole, and Leveon Bell ran a four six, Kareem Hunt ran a four six There's plenty of running backs in the NFL who did not test overly well, but you know they're talented, productive running backs to the pros. And I

think Josh Jacobs is gonna be another one. Now. Some of the idi agility times I was surprised or like, you know, the jumps, like at nine four in the broad I believe, like that's a little surprised, and I thought he had a little more juice in his little bars. Was a little surprising. But nonetheless, I mean he's he's twenty five overall on my board. I think he'll be twenty five tomorrow. So that does that bother you at all? Well? No, no, And with running backs I feel the same, like I

don't really the numbers don't matter. What makes me go back is when I watch another running back who intrigued you. If it was Miles Sanders, who to me is my running back too from Penn State. But then like two were running back one running back too. Okay, I still like Jacobs and are running. One thing I like about Jacobs if you're considering taking him in the first round, not a lot of wear and tear on his body. Yeah,

I feel pretty good. Trevion Williams. I like, if you're taking him on day three, that's the A and M running back. You're taking him on day three. I like that, But I'm not making him my feature back, Josh Jacobs. I'm making him my guy, and I don't have a lot of you know, there's there's not a lot of

wear and tear on the body. I like, well, you you went on a. You went on a you know, have written some reports and talked about some things, and we mentioned Ferguson though, and Dave's talking about it though. The eight o eight on the on the three cone, you see stiffness when you watch him play, right, is that? Is that the thing that now? I mean, are you going to drop him? Or do you feel like you have him right on your board with the stiffness considered?

Or did the eight to eight make you think about dropping him? Around the second line of my report, hit tightness shows when attempting to dip and bend, so you know, we see a lot of tape. He's a speed to power rusher. That's what he does best. But it's kind of like the Orlando Brown conversation from last year and the combine where it's not that it was like, you expected Orlando Brown to be a little heavy in his movements, but it was the fact that it was a historically

bad workout and he was fine last year exactly. And that's kind of what I'm getting to with Jalen ferguson the pro day did not live up to what you would expect from the all time leading sack artist in FBS. But you know, I think it kind of matches up with what you expected. He's a little stiff, but they're historically bad numbers, so maybe he falls a little bit, but I don't. I don't think it's gonna be a free fall situation. I think he's still gonna be somewhere

in the top seventy five picks, second third round. Um. But it does make you think a little bit like, Okay, wow, does this you know we had him? I think on my on my board going in he was number forty nine overall, so a top fifty pick. Do you move him down a little bit? Do you still feel comfortable with him there? It's it's definitely a conversation with numbers like that. What bothers you more is it the time, which, by the way, eight to eight, I know it's historically bad.

When you really watch it, though, does it not look like a guy who's playing on an icehrink and he's just trying to keep his feet? Why can we do? Can we do a makeup pro day? Brought you? We're talking about this night. You said Terrell Suggs had a makeup pro day? Let him run a thirty eight? Yeah. Yeah, See that's what I'm saying Forget to turn your watching.

You get it. You get in a situation where you have guys, we have guys that you that you you know, they're trying so hard to get a time, to get a time where you feel good about. And I remember Sugs. I completely remember Sugs on that day. They kept running him at Arizona State and he never got fast, he never got femist. And I mean literally, you're spending hundreds of nine hundreds thousands of dollars to go out to Tempe to try and time this guy. He still went

in the top ten. Isn't that the opposite of don't window dress your board? Like if a guy runs a time that you hate, but you're just like, just keep going. It's because of the film. It's because of the film. It's because of the film. You do this, you get pissed off at a guy because you're like, you know what, your film is better than that. You want everything to be like okay, like sweat. And by the way, we need to get into sweat. We need to get into

sweat about that because you've done research. I've done research. We need to talk about this medical condition with sweat. But you get guys where everything just kind of goes perfectly. He has a good season, he goes the Senior Bowl, looks good at the Senior Bowl, it goes to combat, looks great at the comp. You want that the tape you're like looking, oh yeah, I mean it's not easy scout, don't don't get me wrong, but but you live for those those players. It's like it all makes sense to you.

Those numbers worry more or does it worry you more that a lot of this production was happening against UTEP and God rest a Soul, North Texas my alma mater, or Southern miss because to me, you see him do it, tell SU, you see him do it to Mississippi State. That's definitely it's not a finish. When you when you watch the LSU game Mississippi State you're going, Okay, he's running the same I'm watching Polite and all these other

guys run around LSU and you know those guys. So yeah, I mean it helps me to see that kind of a competition with the guy. It's also an example of the NFL kind of screwing him over not being able to go to the combs. Yes, he knew he had one shot one pro day to get this right. Yeah, and that's a good point. And I'm not saying he's gonna he's gonna run you know, a six eight three cone at the combine, But knowing that, I don't think he's gonna run eight oh eight, right exactly. That's what

I'm saying. I think he might have been better. That's a bigger story about the guy now. And well that's what I'm saying, Like he kind of got screwed over a little bit because a fight five years ago, and McDonald's like, you know, it's not something that should have precluded him from attending the combine. So it's it's really interesting because yeah, when you watched actually watched the three cone, it does not really help you determine make a determination

because he was so stiff. Yeah, first of all, if you're doing those times and testing, why even do the drill. I'd rather take a zero and say I just I'm not ready for you. I'm not ready for the drill. Right, No, that sounds bad, but an eight o eight is worse advice. So I'm not sure why you did the drill. And then at the pro day to begin with, Yeah, okay,

talk about Montest Sweat from Mississippi State. Here is a very talented A lot of people have talked about him as potentially a top maybe fifteen pick in this draft. After the combine, you went from saying maybe top fifteen to maybe the top ten. Just and then the medical news came out about heart condition. Get into what you've kind of learned from some teams. Yeah, and it's funny.

I was tipped tipped off about this last week, and you know, you and I both did some research, and in the process of our research, Ian Rappaport from NFL Network had the report. Um, but it's basically the same thing that happened with our Michigan guy last year. Art right, Uh, kind of an enlargement. Um. There's you know, just concerns about you know, yearly routine checkups. But a few big

differences between him and Hurst. First, he was allowed to work out at the combine, which is a big part of this, Like if the doctors they sent Hurst home to get more testing, with Sweat us a lot to work out. That's a big thing. No prior issues episodes, uh with with Sweat. That's a big difference between him and Hearst. And just reaching out the teams talking to them, you get to you heard the same two words low risky. It came to Sweat. So it's something that's on the

raid or something're worried about. But I don't think it's going to be something that drops him. Now, maybe he goes from being you know, the fifth or the eighth pick to being the tenth or the twelfth pick, right, but I don't think it's going to be something that drops him. You know, a dozen twenty swats in the draft. Yeah, I had a I had a team tell me and I'll just I'm reading here off of my message. The difference is Sweat has had no episodes or his family

has no episodes. Yeah, this team told me they have Sweat team is a low risk whereas Hearst was off their board. He has an he has had an episode, uh and a legit blockage. Sweat will need to your yearly checkups. So that's that's kind of where they're at right now with with all that information. So I think that's a that's a that's a positive thing. I think when that when that news first came out, I was a little bit concerned because again I was cheering for

the player he had. Nobody nobody's had a nobody's had a better nobody's had a better uh, I think lead up to the draft and this guy, we get one or two of these heart stories every year. Yeah, well it just shows you. Yeah, I'm happy to hear that because yeah, I mean, you know, Hurst was a guy we talked about at nineteen for the first month of the draft cycle, and he was a fifth round pick because of that, and he started double digit games for

the Raiders and had a fairly good rookie seasons. The Raiders will tell you that he was their best draft pick yep, which and we were very critically surprised anybody if he was now to play. No, we were very critical of that draft. So hopefully this doesn't you know, impact Sweat in any big way. I don't think it will. If you like Sweat coming in, I think you still like them. Us really the only blemish on a really impressive pre draft process for him from the Senior Bowl

or the Combine. I mean Montes Sweat and a Missisippi States Pro day coming up next week that'll be heavily attended with Jeffrey Simmons working out for the first time in front of scouts and teams, So a chance for teams to have more interaction with Montez and you know, maybe take him out to dinner and taking out the breakfast and find out more about him. Yeah, that's like say, these scouts and Octor since that's the great thing about the Combine. We talk about the you know what it's

all about. It's the interviews, and it's also about the medical I mean, that's that will always be the most important thing about the Combine. Every single year. I'll never forget my jay Ji heartbreak either. Yeah, every single year. Fans still hate me for that one. But you know, he fell to the fifth round for a reason, and you know, good for him. He's able to carve out,

you know, an NFL career up to this point. Um. But yeah, the knee that coming out was an issue and so and they're probably there's probably a medical issue we haven't heard of yet with this draft class. Uh, that will come out here the next few weeks about a player, whether it's you know, knee or something else going on with a player that is going to drop them down. It's gonna take them off draft forwards. It's just an unfortunate part of playing a very violent physical sport.

That's a segment right there is which college fan base hate you the most because of your draft takes. There's some texts seems to go out to you, right, I'll tell you a foreman. Yeah, oh man, that's right. They did go after you. It was a good running back class. Yeah, says you have to fall you can't. Yeah, absolutely, okay, so the sky so to put a bow on this though with the pro day stuff, you know, if the tape is the tape, it's the tape, right, Does that

make sense? If the tape is the tape, it's that's the tape. In a weird way, that does make sense. You're a philosopher, king. Pro days are the same thing as the combines. Just it's a cross checking exercise. It has, you know, make sure it matches up with what you saw on the tape. If it doesn't, you go back at the tape and Okay, you know ed, did I miss something? Okay, I didn't. He's still a really good player on tape. I'm gonna trust that. So that's all

it is. And it's uh, it's something that there's a reason these teams are deployed to every single Pro day around the country, whether it's you know, a big one like Alabama or Louisiana Lafayette. So you know, there's a reason they go to all these pro days, get these times, meet these players. It's just another step in the process. Okay, when we come back, we're gonna hit some Twitter on

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the twenty. Take it away, Tiny Jamans, Any boy love that? Yeah, let's get right into it. Daniel Buchanan wants to know. He says, are we we being the cowboys? Are we on the wrong path of what running back? They are looking forward to pair with Zeke? They had Rod Smith, and they drafted Bo Scarborough. Who's going to be on their radar for those types of backs? Talk about the bigger Yeah, Which that's an interesting point. I mean, we know the cowboys they want a real back. I'm talking

to folks. They need running back depth, I think there's a misconception that they're looking for purely scatbacks because that's what they were looking for last year, right, although don't you I mean, they could use both, right, they could. They need they need a complete back, but they could use a scat back to It just sounds like to me that they're more interested in the complete back that they realize what happened to Zeke Lash. It's not it's

not never. It's not great to take Zeke off the field at any point in time, but I think they even realized by the end of the season that the wear and tear had just had taken too much of him. Yeah, and yet you have a defense not getting a break. Garyo tackle a big load. Now, this was not official, but there was reports in the last couple of days that the other Ohio State running back, Mike Webb, Mike Weber, would be a visit. Now, again, not official or anything. Hum,

we'll have that for another day. Well, they're not gonna make it official no matter what. So that's up to us. But you say things on Twitter and you got let's find out about the player. Yeah, okay, speaking at real quickly, Okay, shoot me a scouting report on Mike Webber, and then I want you to I want you to follow up on your scouting report on Mike Webon numbers I have on five O nine five to eleven four four four. Didn't really see the four four four much to me.

Didn't see a guy who ran with a lot of vision. But you did see a guy who like, here's the hole. I'm gonna get what's there. I'm not gonna make you miss very much. But if it's there for me, and this offensive line can create hold, if it's there for me, I'll take the seven yards and there it is, you know exactly. No, I think that, Yeah, that sums him up. He's he's not explosive, but he's quick, right, and I think he shows at least the baseline traits of what

you're looking for in a blocker and a receiver. Sure, I don't think he's above average neither of those categories, but I think I think average would be fair. But he's not the biggest guy, which you worry about in pass pro. But when they threw it to him, he didn't okay catching the ball. I don't know. I just I view Mike Webber as a diamond. Does him back. I kind of thought the same thing when I stuck him down there in the sixth round, right, yeah, yeah,

I didn't. I didn't, you know, And I know that's right where in the Cowboys would probably like to You've got it. You've got a great way of evaluating and I like it, and I think that more people should use it. The five six, you know, think and it's not right in the fence, you're really saying okay, late five, early six is where you're instead of just saying, oh, he's a sixth round guy. You know, I kind of I kind of like that. I mean, I've always been from the theory of put him in the fifth round,

put him in the fourth round. I do like the way you could split a guy. But you could say, you know, I feel good about him as compared to the other fifth round running backs, but he's really closer to a But I don't want to bury him down there. But this guy, to me is like a six round player. You nailed him Kat and then Dane over the top with you know, to make it finish it off, Let's let's knock out all the running back talk with the

follow up from Dusty, who makes the astute observation. He says the Cowboys have gone after almost every position of needs so far in free agency except for a backup running back. They seem to want to draft instead. He wants to know what round Are you comfortable doing that?

But I want to add a caveat on top of that, which is to say, do you think they will go into the draft with just what they've got right now, which is basically Zeke, Darius Jackson and Jamaz Olah Walle or do you think they will add a guy before they go in. I think they're I think they're gonna draft. Yeah, I personally think they're gonna draft. So you don't think they bring in any type of veteran at all? I would be I don't get that vibe. Yeah, I just

you know, we've kat studied backs. Dane study bag, we've all studied backs. It goes it kind of goes against the philosophy though. I mean, even if it's not a high need, you're going into the draft going they kind of think that Ola Wally could be like a single back runner. That's kind of what I worry about it. Yeah, and you're like, well, Jamays can do it. If we don't get the guy with well, they think you could

be a better Rod Smith's the guys. Yeah, yeah, I'm all for I'm all for waiting on the draft, especially at the running back position. Get a young kid, yes, let him come in and be a contributor and let him work his way up the depth charge. That's the one position I feel like that you can bring a rookie in and he has success. I mean, you got everybody else, get an All Pro in front of him. Yeah, And I think it's part of that question. Anywhere on the third day, I'd be fine with the running back.

If you want to use the comp pick in the fourth round at the right running at Bryce Love is there and that's who you want, I'd be okay with that. I will say, okay, Yeah, I think if you want him to be a significant upgrade over what you could sign off of the free agency heap right now, it probably needs to be a fourth round pick. Sure. Probably this thing's got some stretch to it, though running back

always does. I'm just I know that, and I know you can find talent anywhere, but just using recency bias, I mean, I think the world of the areas Jackson, but he has not made an impact for this team. He was kind of hopeful after I saw the Giants game last year that it would be a little bit better there. Yeah, and it really I don't. I don't

see anything special there. And obviously you know, big, big name guy, but bo Scarborough didn't even make the team, right, So i'man you know, if you really I feel like, if you really want to assure yourself that this guy could make a difference quickly, the sooner the better, real quick here, bear on, go ahead, make your point. I'm sorry. Well, I say we know this team likes Boise State players. Alexander Madison isn't a name on Day three to keep an eye on. He's a reliable pass catcher out of

the backfield. I'm a big fan of him. Jalen Moore from app State, I'm a big fan of his as well. So I think this running back to Brian's point, this running back position will stretch. There will be plenty of options on Day three. Uh, and that's where I would target my running Yeah. A lot of guys, a lot of guys and gals here are on the on the periscope saying they're talking names like Henderson, Montgomery, They're kind of thinking third fourth round right now, David Montgomery feels

way too rich for this team. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not drifting and running back in the top one hundred and twenty five picks and those guys are off the board the top one twenty five, I think, So I don't know. I'm I'd be honestly, I'd be surprised if they go anywhere but defense on day two. I even

even tight end, I'd be surprised. I think they're gonna go defense, defense on day two, and then into the fourth round, that's where they start talking about running back, start talking about if the right receiver is there, even though with Randall Cobb now in the mix, not as much of a need, if the right tight end is there, even some offensive line death guard maybe yeah, exactly so, But on day two, bronze two and three, I'd be surprised if it's anything. But do you agree with him? Yeah,

I absolutely do. I hate you, and you know I have you in I'm like I did hey before he agreed, but I don't like it. So I don't want to like a one year, five million dollar deal like affect how I draft very often, But I do think that alleviated so much for them to go really attack. We got a coach, coach in his final year, so you're saying, of this contract it's all in, then they're gonna build up the defense debo. Samuel is going to visit here, David,

that's what I heard that that could be. You know, it's covering your bases. Although that's it's so's Tyler rap. What does that tell you? Taylor? Taylor, God darn it, I wrote about that cat guy. I wrote about it this week is what I mess up names so bad. The list isn't long enough right now, but as the thirty list starts to take shape, we'll have a really good idea. Because you remember two years ago they only

brought two offensive players and pass rushers. In corn was the pass rusher in dB parade like this, the only guys they wanted to talk to. Sure, and that's just it was Taco and then Corners on day two. So yeah, I think no, I mean, Dave's exactly right. Once we we know about I don't know, just a fraction of the top thirty list right now. Once we just get the full list, we'll get ready, so it'll really help us. But I think we know pretty early on it's gonna

be a lot of safeties. It's gonna be some defensive linemen, and we're gonna see those guys on day to safeties dbs well, no, sorry, safeties, d linemen, um receivers and

running back. Okay, let me let me ask you a question then, Guys, if if you're new to the draft show and you're just kind of checking him out for the first time and you really don't know really much about what's going on the draft, what positions for the Cowboys are you telling you tell him to go go study as much as you can on safeties and defensive ends,

ends and tackles. Yeah, especially you know, we'll see if you know, they make another addition here, another pass rushing uh my trade for one year, right, we'll see if that happens. And if it does, then much more likely they go dB. But and the running back position, in the wide receiver position, both those positions will stretch. So as much as I love Deebo Samuel, I feel you're

killing his dream right now. Hey give me penny heart in the fourth round or you know, I feel really good about who I can get in the fourth round Compared to you know, the safety you can get in the fourth round. Give me Taylor Rap h. Don't let me say his name, do you cat? You know maybe if Taylor Rap starts, if he's available, when you start talking about trading, no segue, let me let me up at this. That's my segment, Dann, Which is a great it's a great it's a great point, Ross says Taylor.

Taylor Rap and Jonathan Abram. Those are the two safeties that we've talked about endlessly. I think you're gonna have to go up this well, so that's the question. Are they realistic options of fifty eight or do you have to trade up? I guarantee you This question is born out of Dane listing Rap as his twenty ninth overall player. Yeah, and I think Abram's like thirty seven something like that, so killing me. He just killed Kat's dream. If you need it, go go get it. But whoa but twenty

twenty third round pick. Let's not if you trade. If you trade a third round pick, it's gonna get you probably thirteen spots. Probably it's gonna get you up into the forty five area. Who's doing that deal for next year's pick? Though? Huhh, I mean, who who needs you gotta find the teams? I guess theoretically, when you trade a future pick, it's you drop around. So next year's

three is really like a fourth this year. So you have to keep that in mind if you're making tough if you're making that deal in the picks a second, nobody's gonna want to hold off a year on a pete. What you just said, and I like it, say it again. When you trade future picks in future years, you have to really drop around to get to try to figure out the value. So if you trade a third round or next year, it's really like trading a fourth rounder this year. It is so a lot of people. That's

how teams view it. Yeah, okay, but even with the Cowboys team who's picking fairly late in the third round, Yeah, because I think if I'm a team and I'm taking that trade, I would bet on them not doing better than what they did this year, and that that's fair. That goes into the thing we did with Buffalo that one year we finished, we got the tenth and they

their pick was worth twenty. Yeah. But even still though, if you're on the clock, that means that you there's a guy there that you love more likely than not. And so you're saying, all right, I'm gonna go away from this guy. What are you giving me for it? And so who's who's gonna say, Yeah, it's gonna hurt a little bit, I'm happy. I'm happy giving up this player that I really like and I won't get to use another pick until next year. Like, I don't think

that's super realistic. The idea is to have ten guys that you like and then let them fall toy teams like New England. They're like, come on, just bring bring, I'm just giving you an example of the team, it says next year. Yeah, sure, an example of a team that operates like no other in the league. But then you're asking how much better is Rapping Abram than Thornhill

or Gardner Johnson or whoever you know? Yeah, Savage, are you going to be heartbroken when you know you draft a safety like want Thornhill at fifty eight as opposed to trading up for a rapper an Abram? How does that you know sit with you? Can you sleep at night without day Thompson? So we don't feel good at a risk injury. They're trying to fix ye, we'll see supposed to run hopefully April second set. We don't. We don't feel good about either Taylor Rap or Jonathan Abram

being available at fifty eight. Now it would be a big surprise. Okay, something has to happen. The gas mask has to appear. Surprise if they fell out of top fifty, all right, Well, if we're okay, if they're there at fifty, then what happens all this thing? Ever, I remember you're sitting there like, here's a here's another. This is related, This is related to I really like this. This is a smart question. I think y'all tell he got smart followers.

Joey says, I know Chris Richard likes his cornerbacks to be a certain size, right, but how does like, does he discriminate against salt small safeties or what is his prototype for his safety? We don't talk about that, and he mentions Darnell Savage uh and wonders if like that fits within the archetype. I don't know the answer to this. There's a good question. Yeah, because Earl Thomas is not a super big guy. Camp he had both extremes. Yeah,

Thomas and Chancellor. He I mean he loves Xavier Woods, and Xavier Woods is by no means a big guy. Uh that I don't know. Y'all shed some light on this Phonekay Thompson five ten six, like one kind of thing, right, said kind we're talking about Ante Thompson. No DONELLD Savage. I'm sorry Savage. Yeah, yeah, and he's he played corner earlier in his career. I mean he's basically the size of a corner. Yeah. Guy, he's a good player though. He's a good guy from Maryland man watch Joiner type. Yeah.

I mean, this guy's got no problem smooth moving. He is a smooth, smooth guy. Just looking at my notes and seven and I remember yourself the top of my head. How I mean the ball would go to the corner and he was chasing and moving, I mean instant speed. Yeah, he has no sixty. He's got no problem carrying, guys,

he really does. How much more do you like Savage than I've got Savage ahead of the guys I'm about to mention, but then gant red Wine, you know so, and then those are way different players, right, I've got a third on Savage, which he could even go. I mean, if you want Savage. Youre taking a fifty eight. Um. Wow, I've got Gant, He's not wrong. Three four um or who else? Oh? Red Wine, I've got a five six on him. I'm not a big gat You could hypothetically

get at ninety if you want. Jonathan Zipper is Marshall right, But I think I don't. I'm not convinced that Gaant's going to be necessarily a long term starter where I feel better about Savage being a starter in this league. To okay, to answer today, to try to answer Joey's question, I don't think size matters so much in turn, but

what do these guys do? So can it seems like it's more important a corner for him than it does Yeah, safety, But can Darnell Savage play in the box, because I would imagine that's what they're looking for, which I know they typically are talking like when you talk about safeties, you're like Candy Cover. But have you seen him? Yes? I think I think this team is in love with Xavier Woods as free safety of the future should be

no and yeah, no, I have no problem with that. So, but what I'm saying is, if they're looking for a safety in this draft, I would bet it's going to be a guy who's good in the box. I think I think Savage. When I saw him, he wrapped up as a tackler when he had to. I didn't see anything that led me to believe that he was a coward by any means. He's not a coward. But I do think don't to see faster when he's when he's

coming down. Yeah, and I do worry about just the finishing strength, point of attack strength, in terms of taking on blocks and shedding. Like I there will be some issues there, Like he's he'll do a better job of avoiding those blocks because so quick. Sure, but if he gets locked up with a tight end on the edge, tight End's probably gonna win. And no, that's just to Dave's point. If they're looking for more of a box guy,

I'm not sure he's gonna necessarily fit. I think he is more Darnold Savage is more of the the nickel free safety, the guy that's you're a matchup guy because that's speed and athleticism. Yeah, if you look at Rap and Abraham, two guys safety as we know they're interested in. Those guys are more of the box variety, strong safety. They've got some you know, they can play a little bit in pass coverage too, but they are you know, you put them down towards a line of scribbage, they're

gonna hold hold their own. Just okay. How about Adderly? Then? Why do we never talk about him classic Senior Bowl? Bump talked about him for three weeks because he was at the Senior Bowl and he kind of well, we never talked about him as one of those guys we don't think he'll be there. Yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying though, is he he was a he was a converted corner, right, he played well? He played safety in high school, played corners first two years of Delaware.

Than safety has final tears, right we I mean he's very widely seen as a first round, if not top forty pick. I think he's a top forty guy and he but he's no chance that Rap or Stake goes ahead of him. Oh no, there's a chance, certainly, I think so. But with Adderley, I mean I think he's where. I don't think he's getting paut of the top forty. I think Abram and Rap could get out of the top forty potentially. But these safety is at the top. Again, it's what you want. If you want he is he is.

If you want that single high safety, Adderly is your guy. If you want Rap to do a little bit more, a little more versatility both, yeah, exactly. And with Abram, he's your physical you know, as a bullet across the field, just gonna help you on special teams. So each one of these safeties brings something a little different, just depends on scheme and the style of safety you're looking for. Quick Pole, this team doesn't have a first round pick

if I don't care if it's Rap, Abram, whoever. But let's just say to get your top safety on the board, bat most badass safety in your opinion, and you're comfortable giving up your third and basically that guy's your only meaningful pick of this draft. How does that strike you? It's basically as Lawrence, Yeah, you know, except you got

Zack Martin in that draft too. You're not You're not gonna say get me Robert Quinn and then we'll go from there, because that means we're fully going for it, because we gave up a picking next year's draft for Robert Quinn, and then I would say, let's go you know what, do you like one of these safeties enough to do that rap? You would trade your third away to get right? Yes, okay, I would. Because of all my pet cat guys of the eleven I had to write about yesterday, he's my best pet cat. I think

you could do so much with him. I think he's got some rare ability. I love how smart he is. You you're you've talked about that defense. I love tackles. I think he could play up. I think he could play back. I think he's gonna be a guy. It's

gonna play for a long, long long time. He's got that demeanor, he's got toughness to him, and I just there's something about that that I really and that's why I do it, just because I felt like if I get better up the middle of the thing, I don't think getting I think adding Earl Thomas necessarily makes you better. Does that sound crazy? Yes? It does. It sounds insane, not Earl Thomas. I'm sorry, Uh, Eric Berry, big difference, Yeah, no,

I wanted. I'm sorry, Eric Barry. Still sounds a little crazy. But why because he's a I mean when he plays I say, that's that's the big But again, he said the same thing about Earl. Then if you're signing, if you're signing Eric Barry, it's for an affordable price. So does Eric Berry play the same position as Xavier Woods? Typically he has, but I think he could do both.

Are you going to play him down? Yeah? I lean more towards with Brian said, as much as it kills me to give up a third round pick, we have to remember that third round pick is a late third round pick. No, yeah, it's not like it's not a top seventy five pick, which not top eighty. What scares me is if you were going to do that deal, you would need your guy to fall a little way. It's because like you're not You're not jumping up to thirty five with pick nine, like you're not doing Tyler

Raps still available at forty five. You said Tyler too, did really? You did well to go for Ruse. Come on, guys, that's my brother. My brother's name is Thrill. Yeah. They your parents like that, BB. Yeah, but now I'm trading my third rounder to go up and get mister Rapp. So I just say the name. Now, I don't I would sign, I would sign Barry and try to get another one. But that's just me Barry in the same position. I think Dan Brugler, Dean Hellman, Dave, thank you very much,

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we're back here in the STWBC mortgage studios. Just want to say hello to everybody out there in periscope. Is always everybody out there listening to us. Our girl Mighty is traveling to UH Louisiana today to see some friends. A good friend of the Draft Show. We appreciate you mighty safe travels to you. Appreciate our friends overseas. Two that listened to us constantly on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

We love you guys a lot as well. Okay, Kevin Turner, you're famous for this on one oh five three the Fan. By the way, you should listen to those guys daily. Heid's on the show three to seven, always coming up with some draft content as well. What do you got for me today? Kat Well, I was thinking this would be a good opportunity. I'm gonna be girl selfish here and help myself out here. I've got a game called

What Am I Missing? So if I feel like there's a player that I've watched and I feel like I've either heard you guys or the rest of the world be higher on than I am. Yeah, I mean, maybe you guys can help me out because or maybe I just need to have more confidence than trust myself. You're like kind of a contrary guy too. I feel like like every night I fire up Twitter at like ten thirty eleven, and you're just out there just spouting off some of the hot takes when he watches film and

then the midnight tweets. Grab a sandwich, just sitting down and he will give you some midnight heat. Yeah. I learned long ago to hey, what you're thinking, go with it? This guy as a group think you're watching these players for a reason, twees, no matter whatever else? There you got Isaiah Bugs, defensive tackle Alabama. Um I have him with a Day three, fourth round grade. Okay, um, I did not see a guy who was quick enough to really go make plays. I know he's probably just gonna

be a space eater. I'm wondering. Am I missing something here? I know he he had double digit sacks here? Hit me all right? I one day he did not see anything other than the fact that he played for Alabama. When I watched that guy, when I watched him play affs sometimes? Is he hurt? Is he sometimes not moving? Well? What's happened when he runs? So? Iy? Nothing that gets a big pooh here? But can you help me out? I think that he doesn't. There's nothing about him that

says like he doesn't have a dominant trait. There's nothing about him that says okay, like you know, I'm gonna hang my hat on this one trait that he has, whether it's quickness or power or instincts or whatever it is. I think he's just kind of average all around, and he saw it. I have at three four on him. Okay, So I'm not completely too different than you're You're there, like when I was mapping up my top one hundred like he was in the nineties, I believe, um or

eighties maybe. Uh So, Yeah, I was not all in, oh ninety eight overall top one hundred boar. So I'm not all in on him either. Um. And I was really disappointed with I liked his tape better than what he showed at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, he showed at the Combine. Sure, really disappointed why the pre draft process, and so I don't know. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of with Kate. I'd lean more towards with Kate's either. Yeah,

I don't disagree. I mean, I know a lot of people have talked about this guy pretty high, but when you're right, when you watch him on tape, you know, for a powerful guy, I think it's like a small area guy. It's just kind of like he takes on guys and you're thinking Okay, get rid of him and go go get to the ball. Everybody else in the Crimson Jersey is going to get to the football and you're kind of just stuck there killing grass. Yeah, he's

just kind of playing. I think there's a lot of people, Yeah, exactly. I think there's a lot of people kat that like this guy. And I'm surprised again the folks, the scouts that like are watching the tape will tell you that maybe not so much, maybe not so much. So maybe you're not missing anything. Okay, maybe I'm not doing anything wrong. Okay, yeah, but a lot of people like this guy. A lot of the media scouts talk about this guy quite a bit.

But I'm with Dane on this. I just don't think, then, Dave, I don't think the tape is nearly what the what the projection is on Gerald Willis or Isaiah Bugs. I mean, I have bugs great at higher Yeah, so do I see a Willis stand straight? Miami fans first, not happy with my comments on Willis. Willis as I talked to some coaches the same way with your comments. I mean not not happy. They're like, agree with you right always?

Fans love that guy well at Sea he's got splash players, but his body of work is in it stands straight up the first move right up. And there's some I hate saying this, but there's some off there at that. Questions you've all got off the field? Questions, Katie, welcome to the show. True that if you get kicked out of an SEC school, it's something that bears when you send your backup quarterback to the hospital. Yeah, it was just what I always know the details. Uh Dane does too, though. UM.

Day three we did with Isaiah Bugs. Let's go, let's go to the first round, all right, Let's make this really all inclusive the entire world. Florida State fans come at me. I like Brian Burns. I do not like Brian Burns in the top twenty. What am I missing here? Defensive in Florida State? Brian Burns looks thick? Can you tell me he looks he's a third down player? Why does he look like he's a one iron? You're gonna be sick when he's a Green Bay packer, that's what

you're telling him at twelve. No, I don't Ron Wolf made my dad. I don't know. I'm a believer in Burns. Um in what way. I think what he gives you pass rush value. Um, I think that in terms of point of attack strength, there's an issue. You saw it against Max Sharping Northern Illinois when Florida State went up against Northern Illinois and October Sharping had his way with Burns. Once he gets his hands on him, he's locked down. But with Burns. Yes, he doesn't need to get stronger

and kind of fine tune some things. But I don't know. I feel good about the quickness. I feel good about the athlete that he is. He's his length, first step explosion, and I think he has at least a baseline understanding of what he needs to do with his hands, you know. I think it's all there for him to grow into an impact pass rusher. And so yeah, I don't necessarily I'm not saying he should be a top ten pick, but I feel comfortable with him as a top fifteen pick.

You ever seen this guy, dave I have? I mean, I defer to y'all. I know he's on the light side, but like that, that doesn't bother me as much as I feel like it bothers other people. Like most college defensive ends, with few exceptions, are on the lighter side. I feel like DeMarcus Lawrence wasn't a big dude when he got here. Yeah, that's true, you that's what I mean. You know, that's what the weight rooms for. If you like you tell me, is he is he explosive? Oh yeah,

he's a man. No, No, he is a flash guy. And fine, and yet let's go. But but I can say I don't always see a guy finished in plays. And I saw a guy that gets bounced. That bothers me when I see a guy, you know, some of these defensive ends. I mean, I know pass rushers are supposed to be slippery and all that, which he is, and you're right about playing with his hands, but he

gets locked up. They're times he just cannot get away and that and that, I mean, you think of a guy that's kind of a slippery pass rusher, find a way not to let those those offensive tackles get their hands on you and he and he doesn't, and that that's a concern to me. I think I think he's gonna be a liability in the running game. And I think he's just going to be a guy that can

only rush the pastor And maybe that's good enough. But I don't think that's good enough to be in the first round, where I really don't where do you have him? I have in the second round, And I think if you and at fifty eight, depending on who's the board, I might, I might, I would consider if I needed an end, But I just don't. I have a real

real problem with how slender is. I don't think he could ever get any bigger, and I don't think he'll ever be able to play the run well enough to to he'll I think he'll be a liability play in the run and that worries me. The fact that he came inte over two hundred and fifty pounds at the combine, does that change anything for you? Now? I think he had to do that, sure, but he still worked out really really he did work out well. But I just I don't know if you We'll see if you could

play that. Let's see if you could play that. I mean, it's I feel like and there's nothing. There's other guys. There's a ton of guys at this. I feel like round there's a you know, bust potential that's there with him that makes me wouldn't make me nervous if I was having a top twenty. There's a lot of bust potential at the top of this draft, whether you're talking about him or Gary's another one that seems like he terrifies people. Okay, for next, Rashaun Gary one am I missing?

That's Rashaun Gary is a difficult one for sure because you're just you're banking on the traits that they're going to translate and they're gonna turn into something. So but yeah, you watch the tape and he's not setting up his passion USh moves. He doesn't have a consistent plan. Uh, and that's when he was on the field because he was hurt and just he didn't live up to the immense potential that he has. So do you bank on those traits and say, Okay, we're gonna coach the us

out of him. There's also some talking to scouts, entitlement stuff, emotional maturity stuff, So there's a lot going on with Gary. He's a complicated prospect boomer bust. I think at his best, you're looking at a Cameron Jordan, you know, which is okay, you know you'll take that any day of the week. But again, that's if he reaches his potential. And there's a lot of roadblocks that say, you know, he might not reach his potential. This sounds like a very much slider.

This seems like a guy that everybody protict predicted as a top projected as a top five player, and he ends up at seventeen. He was at thirteen in my most recent mock to the Dolphins. So yeah, it's a certain possible. It could be teens. You know what. I think the guy could play as a three technique. I think he's actually better inside than knee is out. But I mean, I dang, it's not wrong about this guy. And again, it's one of those things. If you're a

window dressing your board, you're window dressing. But this is a guy you window dressed with. I think because he's because people are thinking that he is a top that he's a top five player, and actuality he's not. He's a top five talent. You could argue, yeah, but but there's so many questions. I mean, do you want to take a guy that has that many questions about him?

I'm most relieved that I don't have to stress about the Cowboys making a pick that high in this in this year's draft, because it's like I'll take Jerry Tillery at fifty eight with a bunch of questions. Okay, I'm not see that's what's gonna I guarantee the first I guarantee the first night of the draft. When he's taken, we're gonna have the same discussion. Oh, certainly, we're gonna have the exact same discussion about hyeah uh, let's go offense.

We haven't done offense. Show on this what am I missing? And Lord knows, there's a ton of wide receivers, But what am I missing on? And kill Harry? And to kill Harry of Arizona State. Dude, I'm I'm agreeing with basically every guy you're throwing out here. I think I'm fine with Burns, but the rest of these guys, yeah, I'm worried about separation with and that's okay, and that that's those guys. I think tread Well is the guy

who made me scared of all that. Treadwell is the guy, by the way, too, when he looked at his time what you talked about in the first segment, but at his time to go okay, don't even watch him again. Yeah, yeah, he's just not that. And I worry about that. I mean, I wanted to like him. I really wanted to like him. I'm looking at my wide receivers. I've got him outside of my top ten wide receivers. He's the number six

for me wide receiver. Um, you know, I think he's he's in the fifties on my top one hundred board. I like him. Yeah, kind of a lot of what you said, like a straight line player, Yeah, exactly. He wins more with physicality than um, you know, route savvy or route quickness. But you know, he could do it against PAC twelve corners where you know it's a crowded catch point. But he's physical, he's strong, and you know he maintains his focus even with a you know, wearing

a dB as a backpack. But can you do that against NFL corners. It's a big difference between the PAC twelve and NFL. And didn't do it. Didn't do it against an NFL corner by the name of Byron Murphy. No, And that was a love Murphy. And it's tough because of that that offense. I mean, he didn't really do any favors with the quarterback Manny Wilkins. I don't know.

I like Harry somewhere on day two. But I have a lot of the same questions that you kind of pointed out, and I don't know how gladly I will gladly own my mistakes in my shortcomings, like I was in love with Laquon Treadwell. This like I'm not bashing this guy because of what happened with Treadwell, But I just think people are enamored with the Dez Bryant mold of receiver, and if you can find a guy that is that. I mean, Dez Bryant was amazing. If you

can find that guy, it's great. But I don't think this guy on the periscope. Denario says he's this year's Juju Smith. That's a J Brown. To me, I think a Brown, Yeah, that that's a J Brown, this year's Juju from me with Nikkiel. But I do what's kind of in that same vein. I do think Nikkiel could be a big slot I think that might be actually be his best position, and he did it a little bit.

He was more of the X in Arizona State's offense, but he also kicked inside in the slot, and that big slot position might actually be what fits him best. At the next level at least, I think he has a versatility to do both. You guys, I have heard you guys in the draft show mentioned this guy many times, and I get frustrated because I'm like, what am I missing on wide receiver from Auburn? Darius Slayton, a fast

guy you talked to me two months ago. I would agree with a fat cat you're messing with on this side of the table. Brownison. I went back and watched him, and he sold us because he Yes, he has a straight line speed where he can win vertically, but he also has the straight line speed that owners have to respect, so they play off coverage and he destroys them on comebacks and underneath stuff, and then he has a little juice after the catch where he can make something happen. Now,

does he need to get better finishing catches. Absolutely, He is not the most consistent, but I think he is. You know, remember Sammy Coates out of Auburn, Like, he's a much better player than that. Is similar in terms of skill set what they do best, but I think he's a much better player than that. He came in at number one hundred overall on my draft board, so you know, you know, a late third rounder, early fourth rounder.

So I don't love him, love him, but I love him enough that on a bank on those traits somewhere in the top one hundred pick tell you what Dane way to go. I love you, man, I really do this to me, Katie. You watch the tape and he'll catch a simple route along the sidelines and everybody's got angles on him, and the next thing you know, he's

handing the ball the official. Yeah he's gone. I mean yeah, it is a It is a five yard toe tap catch, and all of a sudden they forget to play defense and now it's like they're trying to rally, and now he's running past everybody rallying. You know, that's the kind of player this guy is. Is that the guy with the baton the football is the baton in his hands. Yeah, it's the four forty and we're in last place and he's now got the baton and he's going to finish

this thing out to get us on the podium. Can you can you with physical cornerback can kind of throw him off a little bit? You know what, Baker the Georgia game a little bit right exactly. But I think Baker ate up a Samuel pretty well too though if you remember that. Yeah, Slaton six one ninety man, he's

big enough. He's got long arms thirty two and three quarter inch arms where I think he's gonna grow and you know, be uh just fine against press so and because if you if you press him, you better win at the line of scrimmage, because if you give up a step to him, he's gonna make you pay vertically. Yeah, where do you all have this guy? I have? He's number one hundred overall on my board. So third round, third round, h pick ninety kind of hanging out at

the back of the fourth for me. But that's okay. About ninety wide receivers and the four wide receivers overall. Oh, let's see about sixteen, I believe I'd say he's fifteen for men, Okay. So if I if I learned a lesson today is if I want Brian and Dane to agree about some stuff, just get Kat on the show because y'all are over here singing Kumbayath No no segment.

It's funny because we watched tape together and he'll put a grade on a guy and I'll kind of go, I don't see that, and I'll say something like he came in to day and goes, you really like that corner from Ohio? Stay better. You know we were talking about Jeff did you like that guy that high? What are you doing? And I'm like, what do you mean? What do you mean am I doing? It's a good player? What do you have? Jalen Hearn Dane, Yeah, Taylor Reiver

right after a fourth round, seventeenth receiver. I like him a lot, Really surprised when I watched him. He's pretty good. Eager to see him because he couldn't work out the Senior Bowl, couldn't work out the combine. We'll see what he does a Baylor's Pro Day. He'll be a big day for him to, you know, prove that he belongs to be in that top one hundred and twenty five conversation. All right, man, Katie, thank you so much, appreciate that. Thank you, Thank you, buddy. Well, that's all the time

we have for the draft show today. I want to thank my scouting buddies, Dane Burglar, David Hellman, K Garrison executives. Also again, thank you, Kevin, Katie Turner. You'll see that face when we start the three day Cabbage of the Draft here on Dallas Cowboys dot com and with our radio partner one oh five three the Fan. If you're out of town and you want to listen to some good radio, get the radio dot com right Katie. Yeah,

Radio dot Com. Katie's on from three to seven. A lot of good football talk on that station as well. So again for all my friends, Thank you guys. We'll see you next week for another edition The Draft Show. Stay tuned