Draft Show: A Battle For No. 3 Overall?

the Draft show here on a Friday morning. It's an early morning edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. As we are one hundred and thirty nine days out from this moment from the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Welcome in to the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star in Frisco. Kyle Yeomans with you alongside our fantastic group of panelists this year, the athletics Dane Brugler, We've got Kevin kt Turner and then Jeff cabinall from one oh

five three the fan and guys. It's a it's an important week, to say the least, whenever it comes to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft, especially when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys. Jeff, I just want to know what you're calling this week between the Cowboys and the Bengals. Do you have a specific name for it. I guess it depends on the language we're allowed to use on this platform. Okay, I mean you can do tank. It could be tank Bold twenty twenty. It could be the

the Suck for Sewel Battle. It's a big but it's a big game. Clearly, it's a big game for both teams, Cincinnati and Dallas both looking to to get the desired result. We'll say, looking to get the proper result in this game, because man, a lot hangs in the balance this week. Kyle, we're talking about more ammunition for captain trade down here. That's what we're really talking about. I don't care about Penney Steel. I'm looking for more ammunition. Let's go. You

just want more rumble in the jungle? Is oh? I like that, Katie, say that one more time, good old fashioned the rumble in the jungle till out the record books. When the Cowboys and the Bengals get together one team, he's got a head coach on the line the Bengals, he's trying not to get fired. That's the Bengals. I think our coach is fine for now. Um, so yeah, there's there's a lot on the line in this game. So yeah, I'm looking forward to the Cowboys going out

there and doing their best. And I feel like Dane, you you probably won't kind of participate in the Tank Bowl twenty twenty, but do you think this is legitimately a battle for the number three overall pick? Depending on who loses this game, it's gonna end up getting it. Yeah, there's a great shot that's what it ends up being. And you know, the Jets and Jaguars probably gonna be the first two picks, and then after that, that's where

it gets really interesting. And you know, we on the Athletic we did an oracle this week on we did a million simulations. The rest of the season. The Cowboys have a fifty six point three percent chance of picking top five, so not even as high as I thought. It'd be a little higher than that, to be honest

with you. But if they do win this game against the Bengals, then all of a sudden, you know, then yeah, we're talking about pick seven, pick eight, and things get a little more interesting with how they're going to navigate this draft, so you know it's it's gonna be an interesting the results gonna make. It's gonna have a ripple effect of how we look at this draft, how the top seven eight picks play out. So you know my

eyes will be glued on this one, no doubt. Well, I'm glad you actually brought that up, because I think that is a worry for a lot of Dallas Cowboys Nation right now, is the fact that you could have the number three overall pick, but to win this week

really puts you back in terms of draft position. Sure, it might get you right back in the hunt to be a game out of the NFC East with three to play, but with that being said, I mean it's more likely to end up in a top five pick than I'm sure it is to win the NFC East at this moment after the loss last week to the Ravens.

But Dane kind of address what one of the biggest problems is at hand this year, and that's the fact that there's a big difference between pick number three and let's says pick number five, six, seven, And how big of a gap is that that we're looking at heading into twenty twenty one. Well, yeah, and I think it's twofold.

You know, first of all, you have to talk about quarterbacks likely go one two, So you would have your choice of the best non quarterback in this draft if you're picking three, and you have to feel great about that, whether that is Penna Sul or whether that is the highest ranked defensive player on your board, you feel really good about getting that guy. The second part of that

is the trade implications. You know, if quarterbacks go one two, Jets, Jaguars, and then you've got a few teams lurking with Panthers and you know a few of these other teams that could possibly trade up, and so if you have that third pick, your phone's gonna be blown up about okay, well what's it going to cost to move to move up? And so having that third pick put you in a position of power, and in the draft, that's what you want. You want options. You want to be able to have.

The more options is going to give you a chance to find value. And again, that could be the best player available there, or it could be a deal that knocks you off your feet and you say, okay, yeah, well we'll take an extra one next year. You know, we'll take a couple of twos, a couple of Day two picks, and we'll revamp this roster. So when you look at what's best for this organization moving forward, having that number three pick would be a pretty big power move.

I feel like that's just music to Jeff Kavanaugh's ears right now, I really do. I think what I think that's just music to your ears. Yeah, I think, and I think it bears it. Actually, I think it bears repeating that this is a weird draft here, at least based on what I watched so far, in that you know, when you've earned, through your blood, sweat and tears and injuries, the right to pick in the top five and potentially

take the best defensive player on the board. They're supposed to be like Chase Young or Miles Garrett or Jalen Ramsey, like they're supposed to be these corners and these edge rushers, and there's not this year. So for like, so for all the fun that I'm having talking about team tank and Captain trade down, the traddown aspect I think is very important because odds are because in most drafts there

are there's Pro Bowlers and there's all pros somewhere. But this year, my confidence level in telling you who's going to end up being the best corner or the best pass rusher is not what it would normally be. So to me, it's it is, it's it's I'm really cheering for a potential scenario that may not even happen, but it's a lot of fun. You know, Captain Traddown needs to ride. This is a it's a really weird year. You need to. You need to get all the value you can out of that pick and just not get

stuck with it. Well, real quick question for both Jeff and Kat who's the best defensive player in this draft that you have watched so far? You know, not and not and not just talking specifically about the Cowboys, just too, just a flat out broad question. Who is the best

defensive player you have watched up to this point? I may go, I mean it's gonna be between Lee um Ohli the Georgia edge maybe and like that and that's and and I think that's a guy that most years goes in the late teens, So like, you know, um and maybe it is Patrick Surtan the Alabama corner, but I feel like his tape also normally goes in the late teens. So that's that's that's where I'm at. I don't have a guy that that I absolutely love, Um, Katie,

give me the other names. Farley, Oh, the guy I've got like most excited about, like watching and may have like potential to it as Micah Parsons. But I don't have a ton of interest and watch and drafting an off bowl linebacker in the top ten only top fifteen for being Honestum, I have a ton of interest in doing that. Farley would be next. He's my top ranked corner right now, but I'm still kind of scrapping for for twenty nineteen Virginia tech film or more film. Hit

me up after the show. Oh all right, nice, good news, Um, But that's probably where I would stand. Yack Rousseau from Miami is very interesting. Yeah, I don't trust it at all, um, and god, I mean that you have to see more and you can't. You can't see more, like it's not there.

You nupped it out. So like he's very interesting. That's where I'm at, and that's where I keep leaning going back towards you know what if you're stuck there and can't move back that's where I end up on Pina Seul And I'm okay doing that because up there, I'm going to take the best player on my board. I would love to go defense. But what's up there in the draft that's out of my control. So I can sit here and gripe and moan about, well, there's nothing

I'm picking third but the defensive players or debt caliber. Well, it's out of your control, dude. So like, but I think another thing about this, like is wherever you're drafting at, there could be action when it comes to trading down when you're picking at thirty six as well in round two, Yeah, like there could be teams calling up you could get some extra picks there as well. So I mean, I

think there is a ton of value to picking. You know, well, if we all know it, it's it's it's not rocket science. The better pick you have, the better chance you have it at success. If you're doing things you're right. That being said, I totally think the Cowboys are gonna beat the Bengals on Sunday. I do believe that. So, you know, I don't know if the third pick is very realistic. I truly mean that. Well, and to what Dane is

t well. I guess Dame's asked my defensive players, but we always end up settling back on offensive players have the way this thing feels. And I just want to point out for all to talk about Sewell, if he's the best non quarterback, the second best non quarterback might be Rashaan Slater, the Northwestern offensive tackle. So you might be looking at something where because I mean, his tape

is awesome, Chase Young knows who he is. I promise he had played against Chase Young and he played really well. So that's that's the weird world we live in where I think a lot of cowboy fans are going to look at it and say, I don't want to use another high pick on the offensive line. And I'm going to tell you, if you get stuck, your two best and safest picks might be on the offensive line's outfits.

Let's go. Is that kind of the thing that we're looking for in the Lord draft, though, because if you're looking at a top five pick right now that that talent is offensive side of the football, it really is. Dane, and I know you've you mocked a corner and Caleb Farley in your first mock draft, But is it just really at least at this point in the draft process. Things of course can change between now in April it's one hundred and thirty nine days. But is it reaching

on pretty much every defensive player that we've said? Is that one of the reasons why you asked that question. It's not reaching in the context of this draft class and what has to offer. You know, it's like Jeff was saying, ideally the caliber of playing the caliber of player you're getting a little bit later in other drafts. In this draft, you can't help that these are the players that are available for you. So in this draft,

you know, Caleb Farley is the fourth player drafted. It's not necessarily a reach because in this draft you absolutely can justify it. So yeah, and I agree with what Jeff was saying about the tackles, you know, with Penney Sewell and Rashawn Slater. I mean those have been tackle one and two for me since the summer. I mean

it's pretty clear cut in my mind. Slater, I think is not going to be as universally loved because he has thirty two and a half inch arms and you know, he just he's gonna get dinged up a little bit throughout the draft process. But the guy can play. He's an outstanding player. Body coordination, the aggressiveness, the technique. You know, sign me up. I think he's got a position versatility, even more so than maybe Penna Suel does. So huge Slater fan, and I think Katsy made a good point

as well about that third pick you know had. It's not just for the first round, but in the second round too. If you have an early pick, what if J. C. Horne were to fall a little bit, maybe you make a move up, Maybe you get Penny Suel at three, and then you trade back up into the first round to get JC Horn. You know, I think he just gives you more options. So I agree with Kats that I think the Cowboys win this weekend. But at the same time, be awfully nice to have that third pick.

Kats tell me about Penny. So what have you seen from the Oregon offensive tackle? I mean, this is another guy that was an opt out. And we mentioned the opt out with Brian, Bucky and Dave in the first show. But does it scare you to say that, hey, one, we're gonna take an offensive player and not address the countless holes on this defense. But two, we're not just doing that. We're taking a player that hasn't played since twenty nineteen. But what makes him special enough to actually

make that pick? Yeah? No, it does make you a little a little an I don't if nervous as the word, because they if you like the guy and you've scattered him, you like him, you draft him and you feel fine about it. But you start looking at like asset allocation and things like that. You know. I gotta be honest, going into that Tuesday night game against Baltimore, I thought Andy Dalton was gonna get sacked like ten times, ended

up giving them up one sack. I justs a Baltimore team that blitz is more than any team in the league. Like I thought that. I thought that night was a night that showed the offensive line depth is pretty good. Now, you don't want all these guys arty and you hope that you get tiring and Lyle back, and that's ideally

what you have. But you know, the first thing that jumps out if you have any type of roster situation with Tyring Lyle's hip going forward is I feel very comfortable with Pinney Soool playing guard if he needed to do that for one year or two years, not like moving guys around a lot, but feel very comfortable he could do that. I mean, his power is very evident. I mean you see him crashing down on the on the down block and just creating a lot of space.

And I mean this not really not in a disrespectful manner, but we have a running back will be on this roster that quite frankly needs a lot of space. Um, So that's something that that he could do. And I think his ability to work in space is there as well. I mean for a three hundred and thirty pound guy, he just moves better than most guys do it that size. So I think he's got really good hands. We hardly ever see him go to the ground. I mean, I think he is a really really strong prospect. I don't

I don't know. This is where the scouting part gets weird, because I gotta have people who are almost in a private investigator like style knowing what he's been doing in twenty twenty. Because if you're not playing, it's very hard to you know, stay in game shape. So I think you got to keep your eyes on those guys, especially the guys you're three hundred and thirty pounds, Jeff, if you were to be taken by the Cowboys and the Cowboys elected to go offensive line, what would the jumble

of that offensive line look like? Because you're not gonna get rid of Tyrants Man, Tyrant Smith's gonna be here, Lyle Collins is going to be here. What would you do in order to fit pen a soul into a system? Would you move him to guard? Would you move Tyrant Smith to write tackle Collins to guard? Where where would we go? If it were the Cowboys standpoint? I guess you'd have options if you wanted to. You could always

play Lyle Collins at guard. But I think for me, initially you would be using a top five pick and you would be putting your guy at left guard, and that's where Pinna Sewel would line up. And I think he could do it because you know, the Cowboys ask a lot of their guards in terms of the combo blocks and getting to the next level and all those different things, and I think Piney Seul is actually really

good at those things. The athleticism. What I really like about him is that he plays with a level of what I calls pissed off adness. He wants. He wants you to end up on the ground. He wants to help people. So in my opinion, you would you'd be putting him at left guard, assuming everybody else is good to go, and if he needed to transition a tackle at some point that he would. But I think I think he could play guard, and I think that he would be good at it. I think he's absolutely fine

in a phone booth. But to Dane's point, you know, he also has he's a house, he's a monster, and the arms are probably going to be a Dane guest thirty five and a half inches like he's he's an absolute house. So he'll end up as a tackle. But if he's got to be a guard for a while, then so be it. And I like the way that Kat said that he can move a little bit, and you're calling him a house, so he's a mobile home. It's mobile home Pina over on the West Coast, I

guess whenever it comes to that left tackle spot. But it's interesting because, like we said at the top of the show, the loser of this game most likely will have the number three overall pick, or at least a really really good shot of it entering the final three weeks of the year. If not, the Cowboys could be picking right around six, seven, eight nine, depending on how they fare against the rest of the NFC East in

the last couple weeks of the season. But when we come back, let's start answering some of these fan questions. We have some Twitter on the twenty coming up. It's not necessarily twenty on the hour, but we'll do it about fifty on the hour when we come back. You're

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You brought up an interesting point in the middle of the break, and I wanted to hit it really quickly before we get into Twitter on the twenty But where would Pinney Sewell sit if this were the twenty nineteen or excuse me, twenty twenty draft, last year's draft, in terms of the tackles that were available, Yeah, and we have to preface that with reminding people how great that

tackle class was last year. I mean, we had five in the top twenty picks, and so far they've they've lived up to it, and you know, even Andrew Thomas is coming around, and I think it's fair to say that. You know, there were different orders for different teams. The Giants thought Andrew Thomas was the best of the group. Other teams had different orders. But for me personally, I know Sewell would have he'd be probably the fourth best tackle among last year's class. He'd be Jedrick Wills was

by far. It was a clear cut one for me, and then Trip Worse was the clear cut two. Beckton was right there behind him at three, and I think Sewell would be He'd be right there duking out with Beckton for that third spot. So I think, more than anything else, that kind of sums up the non quarterback

group of prospects we have this year. There's definitely talent, but in terms of the elite, high end talent, it's just not the same as we've had in past years and which you would expect for a top five pick. And I think that kind of sums it up. And Jeff, you had him at three last year, or you would have had him at three behind Worse. Yeah, I think for me he would have been. It would mine would have been Will's Worse's Sewell actually had Thomas ahead of Beckton.

I was too low on McKay Beckton. So yeah, I think Piney Sewell would have been my third offensive tackle. And you know, what are you gonna do about it? The players available or the players available? But still, if you're gonna have that off yere where you're destroyed by injury, why can't I have Asa? What can I have? Miles Character younger Jalen Ramsey? Why don't I get to have

nice things? I don't know. It's it's probably one of the more depressing storylines of this twenty twenty one NFL draft is like the one chance you get a chance at a top five pick, and it's like, oh, well, so much for that. That's kind of how I know. I mean, why can't I have a T J. Watt? Why can't I have a T J? Watt? Kyle? Can I Can I have one of those? Yeah? I can't have one of those? No, I mean he was See, that's the thing. We can get these guys wherever we're

gonna find him, We're gonna draft him up. We're gonna get it right this year. I like that. Cowboys fans like that. I like that let's turn things around, and by turning things around, that gives us a chance to go to Twitter on the twenty. I don't know if we have the sounder in the back? Do we have the sounder? Chris beam t Wow, that was kind of actually great. Uh. Jeff kind of led into the sounder, so it ended up working out well, so that that works.

So there's Twitter on the twenty for the first time. Here in the twenty twenty one edition of the Dallas Cowboys Draft Show, And this first one comes from Johnny on Twitter, and he says, if the Cowboys don't pick our man pin a soul in the top five, what's the likelihood that they go all defense in this draft? We'll start with kat on this one. I wouldn't say

that it's out of the question. I hate they'll probably draft some form of an offensive lineman because they do like doing that and they've proven to be pretty good at it quite frankly. But yeah, no, I if you're putting some like Vegas odds on there, I don't think it's a terrible longshot to think that they go all defense. Look, it's it's evident the number of players on this roster who are on their defensive stuff now that you would

even want back next year. It's hard to even make a list of all the guys that you would even want back on the team. So yeah, they're gonna attack the defensive side of the ball if possible. So yeah, I think it's pretty likely. Man, I think it's pretty unorthodox to go all defense. But I hate this little a little more unusual than other years. They needed so much help, Jeff, they need it, like, yeah, they need

a ton. But I would just guessing here with I believe they'd be projected right now to have nine draft picks. I would imagine at least one of them in one of those rounds ends up being a wide receiver, tight end, or an offensive lineman. I think most of their valuable picks in this draft will be defense because that makes all the sense in the world, because they needs so

much help. They could use corner help, safety help, I would say, linebacker help, defensive tackle help, and I'm always here to draft pass rushers, so literally every position on defense could use some attention from the Cowboys. But I'm just I'm playing odds with what would could be nine picks. Maybe they trained down, maybe they have more than nine picks, at least one of I'll end up being some kind

of receiver or offensive lineman or tight end. Yeah, it doesn't happen often, but we saw the Panthers do it last year. They went all defense with their uh, with their lottery of picks. So you know, I think last year we saw after the CD Lamp pick, they went defensive heavy, and it's that's probably gonna be what we see this year. Whether they might go offense early if if they feel like an offensive lineman is the pick in the first round, but then it's gonna be defense, defense, defense, Uh,

it's gonna it's gonna be and they need it. They need depth at every level, at every position, and they need to find more impact players, uh you know, someone to pair with Digs, maybe another safety. They need help at linebacker to stop the run. Then of course depth upfront. So yeah, it's gonna be a very very defensive heavy draft. Well, you know, real quick on off I'm sorry, Kyle, real quick though. On off it's some of the names that

you would be seeing as free agents. It's like the Nolah Browns of the world, do Cedric Wilson's of the world, The Bells of the world. Maybe that's the area what you're trying to replace, or guys who're way further down on the depth chart. We're on defense, you're looking for starters, immediate backups, guys who are going to give you a lot of snaps, so they that kind of changes things a little bit and what they would even be looking

for on offense. Jeff, I know you guys talked about this on your show on gbag Nation the other day, but I mean, you're looking at this is what Katja said, But it's multiple starters. I mean, it's the Xavier Woods, it's the Cheetah Owoozier's, it's the I mean, the pretty much the entire secondary is gonna have to take an overhaul, with the exception of Anthony Brown, Treyvon Diggs, and Donovan Wilson.

I mean, that's what you're having to draft. And you're gonna have, to your point earlier, one, two, three, maybe four comp picks to go along with your six picks that you have Byron Jones is most likely going to net you a third Robert Quinna, fourth, Randall Cobb, maybe a fifth. That's kind of a borderline thing. And then Jeff Heath probably a six or a seven. So I mean there's comp picks coming, there's darts for the dark board, as you always like to say it, But you're still

having to find starters with these pigs. Yeah, and that's the challenge. I think you have to be realistic when you talk about an NFL draft. If you, let's say you use your first round pick, second round pick, third round pick, in your third round cop pick, so four picks in the top one hundred and thirty ish picks, and you use them all on defense. The odds of getting four rookie starters out of that are very slim.

But the Cowboys do have to find a way, at least if they don't bring back any of the guys that are pending free agents. You have to replace at least one starting corner, at least one starting safety. You don't have to replace your defensive tackles. But I think people would be interested in an upgrading if you could find an opportunity there Alden Smith one edge there, so

they Yeah, there's a lot. If you look at the last week's game and you look at that Cowboys defense, I would contend that only three or four of the eleven starters on defense are going to be Cowboys starters on defense next year. That's a Chadam Field. So there's a ton to do that and I think that all plays into why I have fun with it. And people might think it's a bit, it's not a bit. I want this team to trade down. I want this team to end up with four or five top sixty picks

if they can find a way to that. I want you to find a way to think, hey, I can find a starting safety, a starting corner, and a starting d tackle pick whatever position groups or however, whatever are you going to do in this But I think it's really important for this team to be able to find something like that out of this draft class. It's gonna be I mean, they found plenty of starters in the twenty twenty draft. I mean Tyler Beatat, Ceedee Lamb. I

mean Nevill Gallimore is starting right now. He's probably not a starter next year, if you if we're being honest with ourselves, Trayvon Diggs though, So there's three at least right there that the Cowboys could have maybe four moving forward. But drafting starters is the key to the whole bus and I think that's something that the Cowboys just haven't necessarily had lately, and they hit well in twenty twenty.

Got to do it a second year in a row. Okay, So the second question comes from mister Vallejos on Twitter, and he says, what is a reasonable trade down spot for Micah Parsons to feel comfortable about the Cowboys drafting him? Dane, what you got on this one? Well, to realistically get

Michael Parsons, you can't move down too far. You know, we can have the the off ball linebacker conversation and you know where where the value is for that position, but if you could find an impact guy at that you know, and it was a couple of years ago we saw you know, Devin Waito five, Devin Bush go ten overall. So it's not like it's unheard of to see these off ball linebackers go in the top ten. I think we're talking somewhere in the eight to twelve range.

You know, you look at Miami, They've got Houston's pick right now, it's at number nine, and I think Brian Flores would love to add Michael Parsons to that group. The Lions at twelve, they could really use an impact player at linebacker. So you know, you can't move back

too far. But what Michael Parsons that I one hundred percent understand the conversation about the off ball linebacker and the value, but Michael Parsons he brings a little bit more than that, I think because of his rush value, just all the different ways you can utilize a talent like that. Yeah, it does he need to grow and

develop and coverage. Sure, he's still a player who's piecing things together and learning how to play the position, but you know, six three, two forty five, and you know he's he's going to put up measurables and testing numbers that are comparable to Bobby Wagner. So you know, you're

talking about a pretty encouraging player right there. And you know, we can we can quibble about the value all day, but if you can get someone like that in the top eight to ten or eight to twelve picks, you feel good about that, especially for this team with the

way the linebacker position looks right now. Yeah, you know, and I love Michael Parsons and feel like you've got that that feeling that he's just going to continue to get better and better and better, and some of the inconsistencies that you might see on tape or just things that he'll grow out of. And the thing that I would say is, and I'm not, you know, three hundred players deep, right, so I need to I need to.

We've got a lot of work to do here. But like you look around the league and you're seeing a lot of linebackers really standing out that have been you know, late Day two, guys, you're guys you've seen you know, early day three. I think of, you know, Fred Warner in San Francisco is the best, you know, one of, if not the best linebacker in the league right now. And you know, I think we all liked him a little bit when we scattered him, but I don't know if we were thought, oh wow, he's going to turn

into a star. And I know that's just like one example, but I feel like the linebacker position I've treated a lot like maybe maybe unfairly so, I treated a lot like the running back position. I just feel like that is something that you can wait on a little bit. And I understand you start talking about depth of draft, Well, when you use that for wide receivers, you can use that for we're talking even about offensive tackles in this class. There may be some pretty good offensive tackles which you

get down to their second and third tier. I don't personally, I'd like to see how you feel about this, JEF. I just personally, and I know, like Roquan Smith's, you know, making place for the Bears and he was picked eighth and all that stuff, I don't have a ton of interest in taking linebacker in the first round again, or

at least early in the first round. I think, generally speaking, I agree with you, But I also because I've kind of been going back and forth on this over the last couple of days, because it's not like a great linebacker doesn't significantly impact your team. I think what's happened is the guys that teams have taken super high haven't necessarily ended up being the best or most impactful linebackers

in the league. And so I think we got to be careful not to hold that against the players who were picked higher, just because somebody either made a mistake in picking or we were wrong about who is going to develop how fast. If the Cowboys aren't to believe at whatever pick they have that Michael Parsons is going to make the biggest impact on their team over the next two, three, four or five years out of everybody available,

and they make that pick. Yeah, for the most part, most of my brain tells me that position I would rather not be picking that high. But we've gone over and over they do I feel better about picking QUITTI pay? Do I feel better about picking JC Horne? Because sure, I would much rather pick a great pass rusher or a great cornerback then I would a linebacker. But you

also got to deal with what's in this draft. So yeah, I'm for the most part, I don't want an off ball linebacker and the definitely not in the top five, not in the top ten. But you also you got to deal with what you got, and what you have in this draft class is not a corner or pass rusher that I feel great about in the top ten. So you do what you think is best. And we're gonna talk about some of those top ten corners and edge rushers coming up here in just a little bit.

But I really, really, really quickly want to get to one more Twitter on the twenty question. This comes from our guy Matt, who always says fantastic questions, but he says, if the Cowboys keep their pick in the top ten. Let's say and they take Certan out of Alabama the corner. Is he already better than Treyvon Diggs, a former teammate of his at the collegiate level, at Katie, what do you think about that? Do you think that Certan is

better than Diggs right now? I mean, I think I think you still need that, like your experience in the NFL and things like that. But I think Trevan digs some more al players probably gonna come away with more turnovers and things like that, or more ball skills. With Certain, I think he is. I think I think he's solid. Now he's not again, I'm not fist pumping really uh watching his tape and wanting to take him in the top five or or top six, seven or eight or whatever.

I think you've got a solid player. I worry a little bit about how how flexible he is. I worry a little bit. I mean, he seems a little tight to me. Um, but six two two h five, you know that he uh does have the speed that can they can match up. I just I'm pretty nervous about Certain, to be honest, like, and I don't want to like be a generic and go in but the bloodlines and like, well yeah, but like his dad's like not like his dad played a long time ago. Like I hope he's

as good as his dad. But I mean so I get I get kind of nervous with watching curtain too. I like Farley quite a bit more than than certain Wow, um, I see, I see clearly. I see the athleticism and a little more flexibility uh in the hips with Farley and and I feel like the plays on the ball with with Farley a little more more range when he's dropping into his zone and things like that. But you know, I look, it's real close. I'm not I'm like, I'm

not like pounding the table for Farley cornerback one. I'm I'm very nervous. I would say that, Jeff, what do you think I think Curtan? I'll say I think Curtan is a better I think he probably would be a better player than Diggs. Immediately, I trust Patrick Curtan a lot. My issue, well not even an issue with him, Uh, I like him. I think My thing is I think he's a better player than Caleb Farley. And it's not

close with Farley. My thing is that you see him physically moving around, and when he's at his best, you see a guy that you're like, oh yeah, that's like when Katie's talking about flexibility, Like there's there's an element of wiry, of twitched up athlete, there's an element of you could see Caleb Farley as the guy with the best chance to turn into that team's number one receiver. Follow him everywhere he goes. You can see the opportunity

for that. So I like Certain the player better than Farley, but I may end up with Farley the prospect ahead of Curtan. That's kind of the debate for me on those two. Yeah, I think that that's basically is how I look at it. Too Farley. Now, I like Certain a lot. I have Farley just above Certain in my cornerback rankings one and two, and for the reasons that you mentioned, just the overall ceiling the athlete that he is.

But look, Patrick, Curtan and I do agree he would be better than Digs from day one, and really it comes down to his knowledge of the position. When you're talking about Farley, you're talking about Digs. You're talking about guys that transitioned from the offensive side of the ball to the defensive side of the ball with Curtan. He's been groomed since he was a toddler to play on defense and play the corner position. Son of a pro bowler. I love what I love the most about Curtan. He

doesn't panic down the field. He stays balanced, he stays in phase. He will get his head turned to find the football. He's not an elite play strength guy. He doesn't have elite twitch, but he's smooth, he's instinctive, and I feel like when I watched Curtan, the game slows down for him more than most corners. And that's why to me, he's a top ten player in this draft.

And if you're the Cowboys and you come away with Patrick Curtan in the first round, you're feeling really good that you have a starting level corner for the foreseeable future.

And I think these are two guys that are going to go back and forth pretty much throughout the draft process, because once you get a chance to see Curtan test and you'll see Farley kind of get back on the field a little bit and after his opt out season, these guys are gonna flip flop back and forth between the number one, number two corners Right now, I have certain above Farley. I just like the soundness of his game a little bit more so than what I've seen

from Farley in twenty nineteen. I would have loved to see twenty twenty Farley tape. I'll say that right now. I'm kind of a sleeper though at the cornerback position. Derrion Kindrick out of Clemson. I think this guy needs to be higher on a lot of draft boards from what I saw earlier last week. But we can get into that later on as well. We're gonna step aside because we're running along here on the second segment. Thanks for all your Twitter questions for Twitter on the twenty

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edge rushers for a split second. And of course that was one of the big potential pieces, potential draft picks for the Cowboys last year. Well, of course they didn't go that direction. Ceedee Lamb fell where Ceedee Lamb fell in history was made. But I want to know who's potentially a top edge rusher in this year's class if the Cowboys should be in a position to take one.

So I want two from each of you, guys. Will start with Jeff here who you got as your top two edge rushers At the moment, my top edge rusher is a Z's Ojilari, and I'm sure Dane will correct me if I'm pronouncing anything wrong, but he's number thirteen at Georgia, and I wasn't all that familiar with him other than of course Dane Burglar, who is the best in the world. Checking his rankings is kind of how

I end up going through and watching these guys. But Ojelari seems like he was kind of a riser this year, so I was watching him is Alabama twenty twenty game and going against Alex Leatherwood and able to beat him as a pass rusher, and he's like six two two forty one, I believe is what we got him listed at, but plays stronger than that, has the athleticism you won as a pass rusher. So Aziz Ojulari is my number one at the moment, and then Quitty pay Michigan would

be my second one at the moment. I want to see if he tests physically the way that they say he will, because I've never seen a pass rusher run a six three three cone, so I want to see if he gets anywhere near that, And I'm going to cheat here and throw in that Joseph Osai not far off Texas. Hey, cheater, No, No, I like both of those guys that Jeff mentioned. I have quitty pay a little higher than Ojulari right now, but still, you know,

sifting through some things. I'll go ahead and throw out Gregory Russo from Miami had fifteen Hey Hey, hey, he said, hey, hey, hey, sorry, he said each he said, each of us, throw out two. You're right, I apologize. You took some of my guys. Now you're right, you can't play them. Actually, I wasn't gonna say either of your guys. Gregory Russo of Miami

fifteen and a half sacks in twenty nineteen. To me, the way they moved him around all over, all over the defensive line was very interesting, the way they use him. And he's also young. I mean he's opted out of this year. UM, so you don't have a ton on him because he got hurt his freshman year. So his sophomore year, um, he Playton had a great year, almost

had twenty tackles for a loss. Um he's six seven two fifty three, although he could be six eight he's still growing boy, right, so he could be six eight, six eight and a half six foot nine. I mean, like, this guy's gonna have to stay lower. That said, the times you see him lose, he's playing too high, but that's not every time. That's not every time. So like there's a interesting way if you want to have him as an I don't think he's a standard Hey man,

you're my right defensive end all the time. I think he's more of a defensive chess piece. But there's that can be fun and you can see him win with his quickness, and I think he's got good awareness for

his lack of time as a pass rusher. There was a play in the Pittsburgh game of twenty nineteen or he's rushing, trying to go around the offensive tackle and the quarterback steps up in the pocket and he redirects the offensive tackle with his left arm, is able to step up in the pocket and get the quarterbacks the quarterback kind will opening up in the pocket, and that quickness is that that's just winning as an athlete, and

I love to see that. So I'm a I'm a fan of Ruce, but I'm not in love with Rousseau. I want to be like hyper clear because you said a lot to figure out about him. How is his pre draft process gonna be with him having very limited time, you know on that defensive line in Miami. I mean Jeff took three. Jeff cheated, so I mean I was no. No, I didn't say anything about Osai though. I didn't say anything about anyways. So we gotta we gotta hurry this up. Okay,

go Dane. People are here for Dane anyways, Go Dane. Uh real quick on Roussou. He's like a Chandler Jones starter pack. I think that there's a lot to like about what he could be down the road. But I agree with dear, you know, the lack of optimism about what he is right now. M Jason Oway from Penn State six five, two hundred and fifty five pounds former basketball player. The freakiness that he offers as a pass

rusher gets you excited bringing juice off the edge. And then if I have to name one more, how about Jalen Phillips out of Miami, who he was the literally the number one recruit four years ago, not in a not at his position, at any position in the country. Was banged up at Ucla concussions, had a really bad wrist injury, transfers to Miami this year, and you see him started to put things together. I see a guy that reminds me a lot of like a Ryan Carrigan type.

Knows how to use his hands, He's a good athlete. He's very smooth. So you know, if the medicals are good, and that's that's a big if. You know, we're talking about another top fifty player. So this is a really good edge rusher class. And that's why we pay Dame Brugler the big bucks whenever it comes to the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. That's gonna do it for

us here on this weekend in this early morning edition. Now, these guys will be back to tuesdays from now on the twenty seconds, so you guys get a nice little early Christmas gift of getting to listen to these guys talk about the NFL Draft. But we'll be back on I believe Tuesday to talk with Brian Ucky and David Hellman for the next edition of the Dallas Cowboys Draft Show. But for now, for Kevin kat Turner, for Dame Bugler and Jeff Cavanaugh, I'm Kyle Yoma saying so long from

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