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day is getting out of bed. So we're two days away. We're two days away, all right, I'll take your word for it, David Hellman, but yes, Happy Draft Week to everybody out there. Welcome to the week of confusion hate This week amidst reports all kinds of things going on, Teams putting that final touch to their board, and then

it becomes stare at the board. Everybody sits around in that room and they look at that board, and like I've told you, boys before, you just wish the tags would start to glow and tell you which one of those guys to take. But you are watching the Draft Show and we as always appreciate you guys, hanging out with us, so we'll have a couple of days of draft show stuff before the actual draft from Philadelphia kicks off on Thursday. We're really excited about the three days

of coverage we have. It's gonna be wall to wall like we always do. That's that's important to us. You know, we've carried you this far on this journey, and we're going to make sure that we get you home with what you need as always. Dame Brugler from CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys dot Com joining us today. David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, who has gotten better at this every year. At first, thanks, At first, I thought

I'm gonna go why that. No, not a backhanded comm compliment at all, but I appreciate the input that you've had over here the last couple of years, and it means a lot. It really really does. Ken Garrison executive producing this thing. Like I've talked about, we're gonna do a show today and then tomorrow we're gonna do our seventh round Cowboy mock Draft, and we're gonna play it like it's a war room setting. We're gonna play it

where we're gonna get possible trades. We're gonna have opportunity to move up, to move back, maybe stand there and make a pick. But this will probably be the best mock draft seven mock draft you will see on the Dallas Cowboys. I will say this, this has got a shot to be the one that's got the most realistic. I know there's a lot of folks that like to play the games and stuff on the simulators. I just my gut feeling on this one is this one we'll

get you. We'll get you going the right way. You might not like it them you might not like it, but absolutely might not like it, but you will when it's all said and done, you will understand that it's it's it's going to be the most realistic one that we're going to go through. And the picks almost don't even matter at the end of the day. It is a mock draft. But the way I love the way we do. I think it paints a pretty clear picture

of what it does. Conversations are like and what it does, and it's going on, it's going off the board, it's going it's it's taking everything into account that you need to take when preparing a mock draft, and like I say, it's gonna be a seven round mock draft of the Dallas Cowboys. So we'll do that tomorrow. But today I want to get into guys before we start to show them.

And by the way, I want to take a bunch of calls today if I could, I you know, well, we'll do the Twitter on the twenty, but at the end of the show, I want to take a bunch of calls at eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. You know, Dave gets on me about not taking calls, and he's absolutely right, but I want I want you folks to call in, you know, Kik Garrison, and we'll take your call. Be kind to him. We're all doing great. Just you know, get to your question.

We'll try and hit some of these rapid fire questions and knock them out. If you don't get you on Twitter on the twenty, well maybe we'll get you on a call. Don't be afraid to call, don't be afraid to ask a question. We want to get you an answer. So I'd like to take a lot of calls before before we in this week, and I plan on taking calls during the draft too. You know, there'll be a couple of segments where we have a little bit of a lag, maybe be prepared to ask them questions about that,

you know coming up as well. But let's talk a little bit about the news of the day, guys. And it bothers me for these teams that they're having to deal with a lot of things all of a sudden now. And teams are very good at adapting to whatever situation they have. But you get news of say Peppers and the deluded test, you know where Okay, where's he stand

there on that? If you're a team that likes Peppers, you know, Dane, you feel like there's teams in the first round, be some general manager that says, you know what, I'm taking this cat absolutely, so you got him. You got the situation now in a Cleveland hotel with you know, we're trying to figure out names and I'm not going to speculate and throw names out there, but just talking to some people have an idea about that. Everything we

know but still it's confirmed. There's yeah, we don't need but let me tell you this one will this one will get your attention. Yeah, you know when it when it all is said and done. But I like to talk about that Dane. You know, I like to talk about why. You know, how if you're sitting in a draft room right now, what are your feelings? What are your You just want this thing to start. You want the commissioner to stand there and open this thing and let's go. I hate draft week. I hate I love

draft day, draft weekend. Draft. Besides, my family's probably the biggest love in my life. Yeah, but draft week, it's just it's torture because you're just kind of you're refreshing your email, you're checking your phone for text message, is okay, what's the next shoot a drop? Yeah, who's gonna get in trouble? What's going to be released? You know, what's the next thing that's going to happen. And you just kind of crushed your fingers that nothing else does. But

you mentioned ja Bill Peppers. We could talk about Florida defensive tackle kaylebr I'm glad you got into that one incident that happened earlier this month that uh, you know, finally charges to bring brought on him and this is something that can knock him out of the draft altogether. Sure, with battery charges, he allegedly punched a woman, knocked her unconscious,

knocked the tooth out. So Kayleb Brantley goes from a second rounder too likely undrafted depending on what details we know, and we're still waiting on information from Jordan Lewis the corner from Michigan, right, But with Jabrill Peppers, now this is he has the same excuse that Ruben Foster did

diluted sample. It's not a failed drug test, but it might as well be treated as such, sure because masking, right, and so it's something that now his explanation of you know, cramping and being sick and just he needed to be hydrated, is that credible? Maybe it might be the truth, but it's something that is an easy excuse for why a

deluded sample might happen. And it's if you're an NFL team, you just have to do your investigation and try and figure out because as far as I know, I haven't heard of any drug issues, which no, so, but if he does, if this holds true, then he enters the NFL and the program already and that's one strike and he's a target on his back and that's something that it carries with him with drafting him. If you're going to draft him in the first round. So it's a

it's a tough call. It's something that the week of the draft, this is the last thing you want to be dealing with. Yeah, David, this, you know, and you know they're putting these boards together and all of a sudden, like Dame was talking about, you know, Brantley on my board was a second round player, and I think maybe on Dane he was a two three two three. Yeah, but if we've mentioned so, yeah, but you talked about there's depending on what you do with your three techniques

in this draft. You know, if you didn't move Solomon Thomas, Am I right about that? Gane? Yeah, if you don't move Solomon Thomas, and maybe even McDowell, if you talk about Malik McDowell where you play him, you know, Brantley could have been the best three technique in this draft. So now you're a team, it's a four three team, and you're sitting there thinking about him, and you're going, wait a minute, you know, but I just I'm gonna quote Michael Lombardi here, my friend, you know, who works

at the Ringer now and was a general manager. Mike tells, you know, tweeted out to the other day about you don't know all the deep medical information, and you don't know about all the deep off the field stuff. There's a lot of things out there that we we're gonna go in this draft having our boards and all our notes and everything ready, but these teams have got things

about these kids that we don't know about yet. And then all of a sudden, now you start watching people fall and it becomes very evident, very quickly, that there's something there. There's more there than what we know on our media level. Well, I mean the Dane's guides are great. I mean, yeah, this time last year, who was on the cover of this thing? Unsel? Was it not? Yeah, And we were pretty confident he would be a top three pick. He went to nine or was it plummeted Dolphins.

Nobody saw that coming until fifteen minutes before the draft when all that stuff happened, because teams had no idea how to handle that situation, and he just kind of crossed your fingers that nothing like that happens this year. But this week we've already seen a few things. And going back to Caleb Brantley, he wasn't he was already

having a pretty poor pre draft process. Sure, he admitted effort issues for a big part of why his numbers weren't better, and his tape was inconsistent, and then his combine numbers were terrible. Yeah, and then he didn't retest at the pro day, so he felt, Okay, yeah, that's that's who I am. I'm a seven six three cone guy.

That's just who I am. Yeah, for an up he accepted. Yeah, penetrator at three technique who thrives on knifing through gaps and disrupting the backfield as a strong red flag right there. And then you also factor in now this off field stuff and yeah, it's hard to see him getting drafted Wolf, Yeah, exactly, real quick. It's kind of funny, not funny, but ironic. The guy that we've been talking about all along with the character stuff, Joe Mixon. Yeah, some closure came to

his case, right is. The lawsuit was settled and you know, he apologized to her face that you know that, So whoever drafts Joe Mixon yeats closure. Right, There's still gonna be that pr backlash or whatever, but at least and everything that's in the past. So Joe Mixon enters the NFL, you know, no lawsuits, no pending legal charges, no, nothing like that, no civil suits. So that's a big deal for Mixon. Joe Mixon will be He'll still I mean the city that drafts him, they'll still run the video

that absolutely. Yeah, he has fewer questions surrounding him as he prepares to get drafted. Then about six of these other guys still I still look at Minnesota two forty eight. Yeah, that's my spot, Joe Mixon two forty one, Cincinnati Orcinti. Cincinnati is another team that we talked about. Cincinnati's a team at nine that can end up with Foster. I asked a bunch of people about Foster. Everybody, Yeah, how the consensus was he wasn't getting out of the first round.

But okay, not only do you have the diluted test, which whatever, take that for whatever you want, you also have the hospital incidents. Yeah, I think people are for more forgiving of the hospital incident than they are the test. I don't really feel like I want to be forgiving of either, like so, but I'm just saying when you look at the NF, when you talk to scouts, they are more concerned about the test than they are about

because they understand what goes on with the combine. It's not fall do It's not fair because I mean, it's too obvious of a comparison because he played at Alabama. But like, all I've been thinking about since all this happened is Rulanda Malo. Yeah, and that's I've been It's in my in my skying report on him. But I was told by a scout that they are really concerned about how much he likes the party. Yeah, college kids

like the party. Okay, this isn't like, you know, you could put that in every single or you know, ninety five percent of reports, but it was it was a concern for this team. You know, they were worried that he overdoes it in terms of partying, that it's a too much of a priority for him compared to where football should be on his priority list. So, you know,

I get it, college kids like the party. This team that told me that had a little bit more of a concern than just your average college kid going out having a few beers just they're like enjoying themselves. College kids will do, so it's a little more serious. Yeah, that's interesting. So I got it. At nine and forty one, what if they go Seriously, what if they go Foster and Mixing could argue two of the top ten players

in this That's what I'm saying. And you know what, in the in the dream draft, Yeah, I need to work at Cincinnati exactly. I mean I need to be there with Duke Tobin and Bill Tobin and all and all those old John Cooper. They got all these old scouts and they just they just look at the tape. That's all they do. They don't really care about what you know, you could they see value with players good worker, bad guy, good work. I'm a good work or a bad guy. That's exactly what I am. Dane Dave thoughts

about as we look at the top. Then the number one pick in the draft is a really split room on taking you know, on Miles Garrett or taking a quarterback there. Yeah, and like I've said before, it's there are certain voices in that room in that building who want the quarterback and who really like Mitchell Trubisky. And you can guarantee you the ownership wants a quarterback. And so it just depends on who are those voices, how loud are those voices, because I think the consensus is

that everyone's on board, Miles Garrett. Okay, Myles Garrett's not the problem here. Yeah, the problem is those voices loud enough to sway everyone into taking Trubisky. And I keep coming back to Hugh Jackson, and if he's not one hundred percent on board, how can you take a quarterback at number one? Sure does make any sense to me. Hugh Jackson's a quarterback guy, right, he's your he can develop them, right, and so you know, if he's not on board at the quarterback at one, I just don't

see how they can do that. But the Browns do things differently, and uh, you just never know. Could they do it? Maybe can we go back in time and consider the fact, like I and I struggle with it for this very reason, which is that like the Browns wanted no part of Carson Wentz or Jared Goff. Yeah,

maybe a little bit of regret going on. They straight up we're like, we're good, give us the picks we don't want, and now like, but they're made potentially obviously we don't know, but they're may be sold that this one year starter Mitchell Trubisky is like the guy that they got to take him over generational pass rusher they I don't buy it. They were ready to take Jared Goff, but they Wentz is the guy they didn't like, and so they I could, I could make an argument that

Trubisky is more ready for the NFL than Wins. You know. I mean, that's that's fair. That's fair. That I fair. He only played a year, you know, yeah year, and Wentz was a year and a half. So that's fair. Now, Trubisky didn't have the Senior Bowl. It didn't have you know, so we don't know, you know, Trubisky had a chance to got the Senior Bowl. Maybe know a little bit more about him, things like that. But yeah, the Browns did not like Wentz, and maybe they do feel regret

about it. But I think they have a higher grade on Trubisky than they did on Wins. And so right now is when you're kind of planting those seeds for those possible trade ups. See that's what I'm thinking right now. And I'm thinking if if they don't, if the Browns do take Trubisky at one, all right, San Francisco, is the window opened? Can they pass on Miles Garrett? Zero chance they take Miles Garrett? I don't know. Yeah, they're moving.

You see anybody, you see John Lynch, first year GM, you see them maybe saying, oh wait a minute, oh wait, you told us your picks for sale. They're picks for sale because they don't think they're gonna have Miles Garrett. Yeah, it's Miles Garrett. First of all, I think there's a ninety five percent chance Miles Garrett goes one. Now if it happened, Yeah, I was just fainting this scenario and that five percent chance that he doesn't. I I think he goes to to San Francisco. That's a perfect pick

for a first year general man. I was going to say, if you're a first year GM, how do you do anything but take the guy that people What if he thinks it's we always tell her, but he what if he evaluates his team correctly and thinks he's very talent poor and maybe adding pihaps once in a generation pass rusher sounds like a good way to bolster your ross. I'm just Stephen Jones yesterday said it was short of saying about that because he was asked about is this

DeMarcus Ware I'm who Miles Garrett? Miles Garrett? Yeah, And well he's and he made the very correct observation that you go play. You can't compare anybody who's never played in the right to a Hall of fame. Stephen Jones also said, as great as it is to trade and get picks and do all this stuff, like if a guy's there that you really like, never trade away, just take him. Yeah, that is my That has been my

mantra forever. Never trade away from a great player. But you know, I can I mean, and we're wrong all the time, but I can't imagine a scenario where Myles Garrett falls further than two. It'd be a shock. I mean, we never thought Leonard William Jonathan Allen at seventeen. Hey, well that's medical. I mean, if there is something unforeseen that we don't know about, then sure, and then ended

up at Washington would not be good for me. You don't have to go there and watch the game anyway, I know, but I don't want him like him wrapped around number four's neck the entire game. Well, then again, you got some guard doing that. Superman died. Don't seeing that a lot once he's drafted? Yeah, exactly, it over and over again. But you think San Francisco stands in there if Miles Garrett in fact is the player on

the board, they stay there and make up absolutely. I think somebody try and blow them away with a quarterback deal, like what But it's like like what Cleveland and this guy Tennessee had to endure last year. Who's got the arsenal to do that? Cleveland? Yeah? I mean, but that's about it, right, I mean, to get where you need

to get to get that pick. Yeah, And if they do that, I think they are taking Garrett at one, and then they try to trade and they trade back with San Francisco to try and make it happen, right, because I think they feel like Garrett or Trubisky won't go two. He might go three, but three three is a possibility, right, But two all forget it too. I have no idea what's going to happen at two. Oh, nobody knows what's gonna happen. And that's kind of the point.

That's the But it won't send the draft in a different direction because nobody really knows what's going on there. It's it. It could be Millie Cooker, Jamal Adams could be, Jonathan Allen could be, Solomon Thomas could be any one of these guys. Yeah, he just with the first year general manager and a first year head coach and a team that has needs all across the roster, it could literally be one of seven eight guys, and it shouldn't

surprise anybody. See that's what do you buy into the fact that they're saying that the second player is comparable? You think it's more like two from two to eight. That's that's me personally. I mean, I think you look at the top seven eight players in this draft that you know Miles, I mean, Miles Garrett's on a tier by himself, right, a second tier. I think if Jonathan Allen's Almon Thomas to tow sayfeties, Marshawn Lattimore, and then you know, I think Ruben Foster would have been in

there if not for what's going on with him. And then I think you have the next tier, which goes from you know, like nine to twenty and I think twenty to fifty that is the next tier. So it's a lot of players once you get past the top ten or so top eight, a lot of players on the similar plane in terms of talent and what you think they could be at the next level. Okay, real quickly before we go to break here, cowboys going to stay put or make a small move up first round up,

not back up. I think it's way more likely that they just stay, hang tight and make their pick yep Stan pep, I think so Yep? I do I think they stay twenty They haven't moved in five years? Yeah, I got you could say that. Maybe I think they were really I think they were overly I think I think they were overly selling yesterday, how overly selling with

Steven and Jerry selling stay stay? You think they were trying to come yeah, like the I think yeah, I think they were thinking, you know what, if there's somebody there, we're going to get our award Daddy, Yeah, there's somebody there. There's so much uncertainty now at twenty eight? Am I right about that? I still think there's gonna be a darn good player. Oh there is gonna be a darn good player. There's But but do you do you do you? Brian?

We're talking about they're being uncertainty at two like the whole first round. No, I I understand that, But do you try and control your own destiny? You can try, but it's gonna take one of those Day two picks. That's a future NFL starter. Oh, I can't wait to do a seven round mock tomorrow. It'll be interesting, It will be interesting. Okay, uh, coming back, we'll get into a little Twitter on the twenty So stay tuned. With unlimited data from AT and T, you can stream your

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about it being mailed to you. You could just get it and get it and go and start honing in on these players if you already have not. Dane, once again, we do it this way. How dp Burglar on Twitter. There's a link at the top. Draft Yeah, forty eight hours away. Yeah, make sure you have it so do all your research and have all the names at your fingertips once they're drafted. Yeah. I've had this bounded, is that right? The right word bound? For a long time now.

And seriously, when I need some quick hands on information to have and looking at the computer. I just turned to a page and find my guy read, look at names, look at numbers. It's all here right here. If the Dallas Cowboys dot com our affetun me for the Star magazine, we did that as well. This one, though, is a mailout situation, not a PDF. So I hope you had the opportunity to grab this. I think they might be available in local grocery. Okay, yeah, check out grocery story

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the spot a little. Okay, Well, hang on just one second. I want to thank ed Ka Hill for this. I want to thank ed Ka Hill. By the way, I didn't do it last show. I want to thank him for creating this show, and I want to thank him for creating this segment. Call Twitter on the tent take over, David Helman. I got a good one from Roderick because it involves a guy that we talked a lot about in January and February, but he's kind of fallen off. Yeah,

Carl Lawson, your big board came out yesterday. You have him twenty fifth. I do, but we haven't really been talking about him as a consideration at twenty eight. Yeah, in the last probably month or so. He's kind of fallen off the pace in terms of a guy that we think might be drafted. Yeah. I like him obviously better than I mean, the Cowboys did not bring him

in on one of the thirty visits. They brought in a lot of corners, they brought in safeties, they brought in a few defensive ends, but he was not one of the guys. I think, Carl loss. I think the comparison that you made a Brandon Graham, the Florida defensive end who was at the Philadelphia Eagles, is exactly who he is. And I don't know, I mean, some people will not like how short he is they won't like his short arms. Yeah, but you watch him play. He

gets after it and I mean gets after it. And I maybe he doesn't have the physical traits that most people like, but I'm willing to bet on him and I don't think he but I don't think they would consider him at twenty eight. And I really really don't you think that's a physical thing. I think it's a physical thing. I really really do. But me, my top fifty is about how I saw the players for me, you know, and like I say, mixing's on there. You

know Foster. I kept a lot of guys, Sitney Jones, I kept them where they are just my I look at the tape. That's all I can do. I don't get to go to Alabama and Washington and things and get these character things on these kids. If I do it, I mean he would probably be you know, maybe the board to look different. But I love Lawson. I really really do I have in the first round. I would the team that takes someone draft night, watch me gush about who that ever that is. Stats speak for themselves.

The guy that has been the first round pick has visited the facility since twenty thirteen. Yeah, last time he didn't was Mo Mo right, And that was a trade up situation and I was gonna sell. I mean, we're gonna go ahead and say it's probably fair to say that if the guy didn't visit. Yeah, I don't think they like him as much as I do. And that's okay. I mean, dude and I have the I have cunning him and I talked about cutting him the Vanderbilt. Yeah,

linebackers being one of my favorite guys. I haven't at number nine, right, That's just how I feel about And this is your board, this is my board. Yeah, you know, if you want to, if you if you want to put your together your own board and all that. We all do that and it's kind of fun, you know, So put together board and put it out there and see what happens. I think you're right about the physical thing. Six one and a half one and a half inch arm. Yeah,

that's just not gonna be for everybody. And that doesn't mean he's a bad player or just he needs the right fit and that's that's okay. I think a good or a team is going to end up with a good player. Yeah, Dane, we mentioned this earlier. Um Alan, he wants to know about Charles Harris and how much is his draft stock really rising right now? There are teams that like him over Derek Barnett. Um Wow, And it just depends on who you talk to and the

teams are going to look at things differently. I think behind Myles Garrett, there's no consensus number two pass rusher this year. Some teams like that to be Charles Harris. I'm like Barnett. I've even heard McKinley in there. So it's just it just comes down to team preference at this point. I think if I think if McKinley wasn't hurt, I think a lot of people are shying off McKinley because of the shoulder. But you know, I've I've kind of thought, I've always thought that Charles Harris would be

a guy that would be there at twenty eight. And the more I listened to Dane, the more I talk to scouts around the league, the more I feel like that he's not going to be there at twenty eight. Right So, you know, because people are having questions about these pass rushers, Dane's absolutely right. This is one guy that has the ability to bend. You know, He's there's

some questions about Barnett. I mean, I initially thought of Barnett as a left defensive end, but you watch him play against Alabama, he shows you some right edge rush dip. You'll get around Cam Robinson a couple of times. Barnett's got to be the guy that, like fans hold him in the highest regard and then like the you know, the analysts are like, I don't know about that. Well,

it's kind of the same way with scouts and coaches. Yeah, coaches royal like him, and then the scouts are you know, the testing numbers, and you know, he's just not when you look for. To get him, he probably I need to take him top fifteen and so, which is not really what you look for in a top fifteen pass rusher. But again, quarterback the most important position. Second most important position the guy that can get to the quarterback and press of the pocket, and that's pass rusher. So these

pass rushers are gonna go a lot earlier. They're gonna get pushed up. And that's why I think, you know, Charles Harris, to me, he's more of a late late one. Yeah, at twenty eight, you would you would, you'd love to see again, I've always thought Initially, initially when I was doing this, I thought he was a twenty eight lock or twenty eight spot lock. But now the more you dig, the more you go through the draft. You know, people

everybody always say this about ice cream. Everybody has your flavor. Sure, and that's what he is. Former tank commander, Thanks for your service. Yeah, absolutely wants to know what is the minimum you would accept to trade out of the first round? Kind of hard. I'm not giving you what the team, so I can't tell you how far you're trading back. Well, they're two keys to that, obviously, the return what are you getting back? And then how far you're moving back

in the second round. So I mean those two things are obviously the what will determine the trade. Okay, you're picking up twenty eight. Say you're someone's asking to move back twelve spots and you get an extra third twelve spots on twenty eight And I was numbers that again, I'm sorry, twelve and twenty eight. Give me the quick math. Thirty it's a pick number forty, pick number forty cents, that's okay, pick number forty s worth five hundred points on their chart. Okay, so you would be going from

twenty eight to five six. Your differential is one hundred and sixty points. Who's who's which is equivalent of a third round pick? Who owns that fortieth pick right now? Who owns the fortieth pick? Right now? I've got my sheets, actually, they're coming together, the fortieth pick right now. And I saw this, it was on the front page. Where'd it go? Where did it go? Where to go? The fortieth pick? Sorry, yeah, you're killing me right now because I don't have it

right in front of me here I got it. Yeah, forty picks on by Carolina. I'm sorry, Carolina. Okay, yeah, I've got all my sheets. My draft charts, mow draft charts are being built right now. And Carolina's third round pick is worth Carolina's third round pick is at number ninety eight, and what's that worth? The ninety eight pick on the Cowboy chart would be worth one hundred and eight points. So it's you're still pretty deep, you bet,

you know? So you're short, right? Yeah? How much is their fifth Their fifth round pick they own is pick one fifty two. Let's look at the last year's chart and figure that out. Pick one fifty two would be worth thirty one points, and that's a lot closer. So what are you're saying you're gonna take a three to five to go back? I would do it. Yeah, twelve spots and I get an extra three and I get my five back. Yeah, it's a little scary moving back

that far. Well, And actually, that's the point I was gonna make to you before Brian read the chart, was I know you can't predict it because you don't know how far you're back you're trading. But me personally, if I'm leaving the first round, I want a third round pick. And maybe that's unreasonable, but even if we're only trade, if we're trading from twenty eight to thirty three, I want a third round pick. And if Cleveland's not okay

with that, then it was a pleasure talking to you. No, absolutely, I'm absolutely hundred percent agree. If you're going to move out of the first round, a day two pick has to be part of it. Yep, absolutely, I agree. So okay, let me hear O'Brien stir in the pot. No, no, no, no, no, I'm trying to on the Cowboys chart. If you were to go to Cleveland at thirty three, just that simple move five spots. That's a fourth round pick right there. So you guys, that's what I'm saying is it's not

good enough for me. I want something better. Okay, Cleveland holds sixty five. Cleveland hold sixty five, and that's it's that's that's two hundred and sixty five right there. And I know, I know what one O eight is the first pick of the fourth round. So eight you get, say it's a But my colleague from Ohio next to me, he says, there's no way in heck they're giving up that that first pick to start the third day unless it's you know, because it's not a typical fourth round pick. Yeah,

so unless it's. Now, if you look at Cleveland, let me just stop you. Right there, Cleveland's got their own pick. They got two picks in the second round. They got thirty three and fifty two, right they got sixty five is a third round pick for the right One oh eight is going to fourth first pick of the fourth This is where they're gonna have some fun. In the fifth round. They go one to forty five, one seventy five, one eighty one, and one eighty eight And look this

is it. The Browns are a young team and they can't fit all these guys on the same roster, so they they're going to be a little bit active where maybe they give up a few of those fifths because they can't see That's what I'm saying. I see them giving up fifths maybe tomorrow in our mock draft. We gotta hope that Cleveland calls us. We gotta hope because if we want to get one of our we want

to get our fifth back. We got to think about Arizona having an extra, Buffalo having an extra, Cincinnati having an extra, Cleveland having an extra. I'd like to have my fifth back at some point in what some Green Bay has an extra. I would love to have my fifth back. But if they're trying to get to twenty eight, drink a fifth. If I don't get my fifth undo, that probably means that they want a quarterback, whether I mean,

you know, whether it's Deshaan Kaiser or whatever. I mean, if they're trying to get to twenty eight, it is probably for a quarterback. If they would you hold them up. I'm gonna say, if you want your quarterback, you're giving me sixty five or it's not happening. I'm sorry, And if they I mean, and that's what happened in the Cowboys last year. The Cowboys didn't want to give up their third and the Broncos did, and the Cowboys didn't get packs the lynch and it worked out for them.

But a minute, a minute upset. Last year. I tried, I think two weeks ago, try to get you guys to trade back, and it was like you were like the guys standing there saying, but you're going for greed right now. I'm gonna be real greedy. Yeah, I want picks. I want good picks. I don't want your crappy fifth

round pick. I want sixty five day. I agree. If Browns say, listen, Browns say we won't give you sixty five, and you shoot for one oh eight, which is the start of the third day, guy, that would be fun start the third day. I love it just because you fight on Dak Prescott last show. I mean, you're always no, no, no no, But I just know that I love that pick. I love seriously. There are teams that try and give next year's two to get back in the top of

that fourth round. Trust me, I know I've fielded calls. I know every time. Nope, Nope, nope. Hey Brian, I'll see you this summer. Nope. All right, Brian, Yeah we'll get together. Nope. You know that's the way it works. All right. Let me ask you this, what if they what if they said, we're not going to give you sixty five, we're not going to give you one o eight, but we'll give you one forty five and one seventy five? Is that a that's a late fourth and a fifth

or two fifths. That's the you're you're starting to it's two fifths you're giving I'm giving up my first round pick for two. You're backing up. You're backing up. You're backing up to Cleveland spots at thirty three. But they're they're not willing to give you sixty five, which you're just adamant about. Yeah, they don't want to give you one away. What if they gave you throwing what they gave you three fifth round picks for the spot for for moving up those moving up that spot, you're taking it.

See you this summer. Nope, and I hang the phone. That's what I do. See the summer web A crafter spoil right, can't. I think you need to get a little creative because it's sixty five. I think that's a pipe dream. I just don't think it'd get in. I don't. Yeah, I think you're that's fine. I appreciate that being a hard butt. I don't know if that works. I'm not saying it would. I'm saying that's what I want. And

otherwise I'm just gonna stand and make my pick. I don't expect them to give me sixty five, but that's what I want. Gonna throw your pen, I'm just gonna I'm gonna make it very clue. You're gonna hand that card in. I'm gonna hand that card in unless you're willing to overpay. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying they will. Yeah, it's night seeing. Three fives. No, no, knives are nice, but i'd love to have them. But no, No,

you're talking. All right, I'll think about this. You're not just talking about the quality of the player, all right. Think about this extra year we talking about earlier. We're going to thirty three. We got thirty three, sixty ninety two, one thirty three, one forty five, and say one seventy five. Wait, so what are they giving me? Right now? They're gonna try, and I'm trying. They're trying to give you the two

they're trying to They've got four fives. What if they gave you one forty five and one seventy five, they gave you to move four spots, they're giving you two fifth round picks. I'm making I am I'm not changing my opinion. I already said what I said. Let me tell your picks again. You'd have thirty three sixty ninety two, one thirty three, one forty five, one seventy five. I still only count three picks in the range where I can expect my player to start all right here, and

that's what I want. Got a scenario for you? Oh wait, a minute's some we're gonna answer my question. You're you're out doing No, I'm out, I'm out. I'm out about here. Let me see if I can get you to make this trade. Okay, I'm cleveland. What about to move up to twenty eight? You can have thirty three and sixty five, but I want twenty eight and was it ninety nine two? So basically you're moving back five spots and then you move up ninety two spots. Okay, ninety two on the chart,

it's worth one thirty two. So I picked thirty three sixty and then not again sixty five sixty thirty three, thirty three, sixty sixty five, and then not again until one thirty five. Yeah or two three. I'm in. I'm so in three. What how's it worked? The how's the mathwork? Well, you guys, beat somebody right down? Here we go. If we're getting the okay, we're going. That's instead of having three top one hundred picks, you have three top seventy picks. Basically, yeah, yeah,

bring Okay. So you're at six to eighty right now, and you're going to thirty three. That's worth. That's worth. So you're six sixty and they're and they're coming at you with five eighty. Okay, yeah, right the differential right there. Okay, now out what you're asking for is they're sixty five. By the way, they hold fifty two as well. They do. Yeah, they're not giving that. I can't even go on, don't want to be a hard butter about even ask I can't even dream of asking for that. Okay, So we

go back to thirty three. Okay, now we pick up they're sixty five, which is worth we said two hundred and sixty five points. We're flipping them on the trade one or ninety two, right, that's one hundred and thirty three. So sixty five at two sixty five and ninety two is worth one thirty two. So it's just a little short of the what did you say, five eighty, Yeah, a little bit. I think I'd still do it though. Yeah. I love you guys. I just like having I just

want higher picks, that's all I want. But what do we say for the start? You don't trade away from a good player. So it just killed mock draft. I think for tomorrow it depends who's there at twenty eight. Yeah, you know, yeah, if the right player is there, you got to take them. If not, I like you trying to be aggressive though. It's the same thing the Broncos did to the Cowboys last year and not saying it's

a reasonable price. I get that it's not, but you're in the position to make the calls if the guy that they want sitting there. Yeah, there's ways to get creative. I mean, like, like we just did you know, including an extra third, and it's just kind of swapping thirds basically, yeah, yeah, to move swap spots. You're not really losing the pick in the round. You're just swapping spots. You're trying to make up the difference for getting the extra for getting

sixty five, right is what you're trying to do. All right, We got way sidetracked right there. Okay, one more question that I do want to take some calls again when we come back from the break, but we're not gonna do the break right yet. But take one more question or two, but again, line up the phones eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven. Be nice to Kent and go ahead. Dave Jonah wants to know, um, should we be talking more about Marcus Williams as a

first round on pick. As a first round pick, that too high? I don't think. I think. I think that's probably too high for him. UTAs safety, yeah, exact, anybody YEA a true center field type, I think that's too high. He's a visitor here. He is a visitor, is that? And we talk. I feel more comfortable with him at

sixty than I would at twenty eight. But then again, when I feel more comfortable with the Dorry Jackson at twenty eight when he's not even my top fifty, but neither is I don't believe what UTAs safety is either. Is this one of those guys and we kind of talked about this, Brian is maybe some of these visitors Taco Charlton comes to minds. I think guys that they brought in to cover their bases in case back they don't pick at twenty eight. Yeah, that's what I think.

Curtis Samuel, Curtis Samuel exactly. So maybe would you take Marcus Williams in that thirty three to forty range? I'm still just about to have a heart attack, So say you do that? Is that pushed by Jones? Is strong, interchangeable guys? Well, I see, I don't think Marcus Williams is an energy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think that to me, that's why Desmond King makes sense. Yeah,

so why Desmond give me? Desmond King is closer what Byron Jones is than William Williams is a good free and if you're playing single high, if that's what they're gonna do, by all means, but God or what it's worth. I feel like Byron could play more of a strong like box. Oh sure he could, Yeah, sure he could. I don't think he needs to be the free And you could also in nickel situations sub packages put three

safeties out there. Let the exactly Byron Jones can play the nickel Marcus Williams of the free, I mean he can be creative. You'd be very creative with that one more. Um, yeah, well you kind of mentioned it already, and so that's appreciate all the questions. By the way, folks, Michael a door. Michael wants to know about a door sleeper. He does he qualify as a sleep Oh no, I don't think so. But you know what, I think that he's a guy that really really in the conversation at twenty eight thirty

thirty one and three eight's arms. I believe on him because we talk about Yeah, because we talk about height with McClay, but it's about one thirty one three eight's arms, so not short arm button. I mean for a guy that's five tens. Yeah, he's he's dragging it pretty good. But yeah, I think he's not in your top fifty. No, and you think he is a real consideration for this team though it's the players I like he's outside the fifty. Yeah, they'll. They will take him before I would take him. Yeah,

they will. I'm here, you know, and that's okay because I'm sitting here doing radio and having fun talking about these guys. You know what bothers me. But I don't know what I'm doing. No, you know what you're doing. We do a pretty good job with this. Yeah, I it bothers me that part of the reason you might take him is his return abilities, right, But with these guys, he said, sub package stuff too. Yeah, when you talk about about putting corners out there, I think these guys

would do that. I don't think they would put their twenty their first round pick out there as a kick and punt return. I think they almost had twenty eighth, but it sounded better as a first rounder. Yeah, twenty eight. Let me tell you this though, and I think you they don't even let Dez do that. Oh wait a minute, you tweeted this last night. And by the way, DP Bruger, great follow did you tweet If they didn't do that, that would be a mistake. Anybody that takes him, that

doesn't use him in that lucky Whitehead offense. Yeah, I mean give him some Tyreek Hill type of touches. Sure he's explosive, you worry about him getting hurt. Sure, but I think that's part of the value of taking him in the first round. Are these guys? These guys aren't fun like this coaching staff, They're not fun. They're not Sean Payton creative. Yeah, they're they're like, they're just very by the book, like every it's very riggid here, like

not fun. Well, yeah, I'll say this. There's a reason I'm been mocked Ridget or rigget. I think it's I don't know whatever, you know what, But I actually correct you. I think it's rigged. Okay, I'm pretty sure you're way better read than I've been mocking A Dory Jackson the Cowboys. Did you did in the magazine? Yeah? Exactly. I mean I think that here you're gonna be right here. There's one of a handful of players that I think the

most likely. Yeah, Tom, who's the guy that's got the least amount of problems that might when it come down to I mean, that's what I'm saying. That's part of why you're picking picking at twenty eight. Yeah, does that guy qualify with any of these guys, I mean, because they're all gonna have some something. Yeah, that's why they're available at twenty eight. Good point, all right, anyway, thanks to all the people that ask questions out there. We

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regular horse in Atlanta. What's up, Horras, Hey, what's up? Guys? Appreciate you taking a call and love the show, love the information, guys. Give out. Hey, I want a pass Russian. I don't want a defensive back. I understand need, but I want a pass Russian. So I don't want to move back. If anything, I'd like to move up. Okay, I would like someone that's going to get us to the sacks again year at least minimum, not like you know, I personally consider the Marcus Lawrence. He's almost on that

bust line. He has nine sacks his home career, So we need somebody that's gonna get that in the season. So Riddick maybe maybe what you know, would you all consider any of those at twenty eight or would you consider moving up to get somebody like Riddick? And how much does pedigree come into looking at a prospect. You know, you have someone like Matthews, Clay Matthews he has a great lineage. You know, his brothers, fathers, all this play someone like J. J. Watt brothers, you know, two brothers

in and of course Watt is amazing. So how much does that play in in scouting someone? All right, thank you, Hoores, appreciate the call. He wants to go up, Well, he wants someone that's going to be a minimum ten sacks, and hey, I agree. But yeah, yeah, that's when you want the tax to right, Yeah, that's when I need that.

I need that Barnett tag. I mean there's people that think that Barnett might have more more sacks than say a guy at A and M. Barnett's a guy here's and he had Reggie White's number double digit sacks at Tennessee. I mean, it's a little it's I don't disagree with

anything Horse just said. Really, but the problem is if you're trading up in the first round, Yeah, you're either getting you're getting rid of a premium pick you are getting, whether it's sixty or ninety two, or if you want to get rid of next year's first which sounds terrible. I hate that. I am I get and you gotta going to just give me an example going to Oakland even at twenty four or four spots gonna cost you

a third. Think about that. That's I mean, that's that's what you But maybe it's what you have to do if if if you, if you don't want to have the chaos at twenty eight. Here's fortune favors the bolt. Here's my counter argument, which is even at twenty four, like that that ten sack of year guys probably gone by like ten to fifteen. I meant to pend that's fair, too fair, So forget that. Basically, No, I was just

trying to go up a little bit. On top of that, you need to come out of this draft with at least one, if not two, defensive backs who have the potential to contribute right away. Sure, and getting rid of premium picks is not the way it would gotta be. Got to be aware though, of teams wanting to bail and you know, and like just wanting to bail so badly that they're willing to sell their picks short. I

talked about that on the round. Well, the Cowboys did that, and I mean, hey, they found the best center in football, so all credit to them, but they they gave up a third. They left a third round pick on the table. They drastically they got fleeced by the forty nine trade. Sure, they gave up, they had one third round pick to move back fourteen spots. That is unbelievable to me to this day. Yeah, so, I mean, crazier things have happened. Okay, I guess. But yeah, when you know you're getting an

All Pro center, I think you're good and that. Of course it's funny. Nobody's complaining for five years later, but at the time was no. There were some serious concerns about friend. We need to I think we need to have perspective to whoever they get at twenty eight. It's just unrealistic to think that SA guy. Yeah, especially as rookie or even in year two. You know, it's just maybe they can eventually develop into that was the one Troy,

but he was a top ten javon curse verse. Yeah, he was a mid first rounder so, but he wasn't a light first round. It's not realistic to think you're going to get a double digit sack guy at twenty eight. Yeah, and that's I'm sorry, Well, no, I say early in his career especially, but even throughout his whole career. That's kind of been my argument, my personal argument, I think the Cowboys would rather have a pass rusher at twenty eight.

I'd rather have a dB because I just I don't know how much the twenty eighth overall pick is going to do to revamp your pass rush right away, whereas you can make some serious strides with your secondary with the right picks. Real quick, Adam Schefter just tweeted this, Cowboys draft picks have been selected as seventeen combined, seventeen more Row bowls than any other teams has two thousand and two. Yeah, so let's say cow was a done

okay draft? Yeah, give them gives them some credit for that for sure, because when I was there, we were not very good. So we're making up for it. We'd use a few more playoff wins. Absolutely, that help. Okay, Kit, you gotta in Dallas, Joe, go ahead, what do you got hey, guys, I'm assuming we are running back at cornerback in the first two rounds, so I want to focus on our third round pick, specifically, we addressed our safety position. Joe, real quick, did you say running back?

Did you say running back first? I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, no, I mean defensive end. Okay, go ahead. Now now we're going back. All right, now we're good, let's roll. Yeah, we're going I'm so sorry. No, no, We're get the third round. Okay, go ahead, say so, I'm assuming let's just assume we address our safety position in that third round. Gotch, what guys are you looking at not just based on grade, but scheme fit for the type of defense that we are going to need

for that strong safety type. And I have the names Josh Jones, Eddie Jack, Yeah, Justin Evans A, Xavier Woods. I like them all. Who do you guys like for us? All right, thanks Joe, good question, Really appreciate you. And he goes. Last two that he mentioned are the key ones there to watch? Xavier Woods and uh Justin Evans. Yeah, both those guys both visit. Yeah, both visit. Yeah, they've

show an interest in both. Jones go higher than the third you think North Carolina State Jones, Josh Jones, Josh Jones, Yeah, yeah, see yeah, he's thinking he's stinking ninety two. Yeah, and I think even safety's any mentioned might yeah, Michael a little b. Xavier Woods might not last that long. Justin Evans might not last off, so you know, you kind of cross your fingers that one might be there. But

I think those are the names to know. It's it's tough when you're picking Laton around, like yeah, but those are definitely the names to know that could be a fit. Here. Guys, that Fedrick Thompson. That was a guy I know, I know, we we that was a tell me more a couple of weeks ago. He was a visit too, and and Dane and I were not jumping up and down about him,

but there was a name sounds rich. It is rich one thirty and I know y'all don't really like him, but like I would draft him at one thirty three. Probably is that what you think you'd have to drafting there to get him? Probably? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's sixth round, Greade. What do we What do y'all think about? I'm with you on that. The guy I'm in the fifth? What do y'all y'all are off on? Jackson?

Not fans ed Jackson? He's he's really tough. Because you talk about flash plays, he made a lot of them. It reminds me so much. And this is gonna sound so crazy. It reminds me when we watched Ed Reid. God, okay, no no safety ever, no, no, no, no. And this is why because if you watched Ed Reid play at Miami, remember I tell you guys the story how he was completely off the screen. Yeah, and then he gets to Miami and it's gonna get to Balltimard. He's like the

second coming of what a Hall of Fame guy. And that's and rightfully so. But he was a really, really hard evaluator because it a heart evaluation because it's always you know, somebody at Alabama is going to rally to the ball and get the guy down, right, So by the time he gets to the ball, balls down. Yeah, So he's never you never see him in a bunch of tackles because there's some linebacker or some defensive end or some cornerback making a tackle before he gets to

the play. And that's the tough thing with Eddie Jackson is that's a tough evaluation. Talers see him in there, right, the talent around him. How much did that help him make those interceptions? Yeah, not have to make some of those plays and run support a factor in his durability. It has not been, has not been a good things. He's been banged up over over the last two years. Former corner moved to safety. I get it, there are things that I like about him, but I'm not touching

him until Day three. Yeah, all right, Kim, Michael and San Antonio go ahead. Hey, guys, does the news breakout yesterday of Jalen Smith's progress influenced this draft to where maybe we don't need a linebacker in those top one hundreds. And my second question is, I'm gonna make a bold prediction. I'm going to say the Cowboys are going to move into the late fifth or at least sixth round to trade and select quarterback Chad Kelly. Tell me if that's a bad pick or a good pick. There. Thanks, guys.

I not to pat myself on the back. I'm regardless of what we're hearing about Jaylen Smith. I never thought linebacker was like a huge priority in this draft. Just because you've obviously got Sean Lee, they're gonna they're gonna give Jaalen Smith a chance to prove them right or wrong before they try to draft his replacement. And the fact that he's wiggling his toes, which is the news that Michael was talking about Yeah, that only in further enforces what they already thought. And on top of that,

you know, Damian Wilson has shown some promise. He looked pretty good sam linebacker and farterback, and Anthony Hitchins is serviceable. It's amazing. I don't see it as being something. And I think they've drafted a linebacker every year going back to like oh eight, so I get that they just do that anyway, I can't see him doing that until like day three. I don't think they would do it with a premium pick if at all. Yeah, I would disagree. I think the news again, the whole news about Jalen

Smith is let's just get him out there playing. Let's see him, Let's see him put on a gear, Let's see him take on blocks, Let's see him be effective and doing all that. And once that's the case, then I think everything's fine. But there's there's still a lot of things that have to a lot of a lot of bridges that have to be crossed before they get to that point. But at least the news is somewhat encouraging. Yeah, Chad Kelly, late boy, I'll tell you what. If you're

gonna draft a guy who's no baggage. Let me see the scheme fit though, scheme fit for what Dallas is trying to do with the read the readopt the way the scheme, the read option stuff, the you know, throwing the football down the field a little bit. Yeah, and I mean throwing underneath stuff. He's athletic enough, you can

do that kind of stuff. But do you want that type of personality in your quarterback room with your young cored Not that Dak Prescott would be easily influenced, yeah, nothing like that, But still, do you want that type of type of guy with those character questions in your quarterback room with another young quarterback? It's not something that I think I would avoid that. Yeah, if I were the Cowboys, Yeah, and I don't think you trade up for a guy like that, or you know, you don't.

If he's there in the seventh maybe you take a shot. But you know it's I don't like it for this team. I appreciate that, but I do think they will add one. Yeah, I do too. Thanks Stephen Jones. Yeah, I think Stephen Jones is pretty adamant about that. All right, Well, that's all the time we have for today. Tomorrow tomorrow we got again, same time, eleven am Central. We're gonna hit a seven round mock draft and we're gonna have all the bells and whistles. We're gonna try and figure this

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