Draft Show: 30 Visits; Looking For A Running Back?

David Hellman, Kit Garrison, Executive Producing. Gentlemen, we're feeling any better about this? I know, Dane, last week you were a little you know, proceeded closer, any closer feeling better about things. There's just there's always another player. There's another players, another player to look at about another thirty day visit guy you didn't think about huh yeah, well, An they got to figure out, you know, to do one more extra game. You know, let's see a little bit more tape.

Just you never want to feel like you're it's incomplete. You know, when you look at these players, it's as an evaluator. Your job is to be an artist and paint a picture of what that player is and you want to make sure you have everything that you need to paint the most accurate picture you can. So we're still learning about some of these guys, I mean, most of the Hayes in the bar at this point, but you know, to kind of spin it towards what NFL

teams are doing. Now is the time to really stack the board, finalize it and have some of those brawls about Okay, you know, who are we really looking at? You know, some of these wide receivers where they're tags are touching, who's going to get the edge some other positions as well. So it's going to be important next three weeks. I saw him makes me think of something I saw on Twitter this week. John Harbaugh, the Ravens coach,

said he'd love to see the draft moved up. So with everything you just said about how you know you never feel like it's complete, how would you feel about that? From my standpoint, it's you know, I'm a one person scouting department, so it's you know, a little different from me. But for uh, I've heard that He's not the first to say that, and there's some there's some in the NFL who champion for the draft before free agency and

you know right after the season. That's when you get into some of these all star games in the Combine and the draft like just boom, boom, boom, get it done with, you know, I mean scouts there on the road all year. So it would move up a lot of things logistically in terms of when you you know, build a board. And I don't know, I'm a creature habit. I like having this time to you know, take everything in and you know, debate with yourself and with others.

But I don't know, You're what do you think about that? Yeah? I think that to me, I've I've kind of I understand where coaches coming from there because I I would like to see the draft move up myself. I really would. I would like to. I would feel like that the

teams would be actually better prepared. You know, you got these pro days and so I used to think that if they if, but you're getting some kids running at the combine now that and you're getting workouts that the pro the protates used to be the only ways you were going to get times because these kids wouldn't run at the combine. Yeah, they feel almost obsolete. Yeah, and now and now all of a sudden for a few

special circum rights right now. The reason and it's interesting that the coach would bring that up to move the draft up because from the scouting perspective, the scouts would probably love that because it would mean the coaches couldn't catch up to what's going on in the draft. Keep the coaches from getting there. Well, that's what I'm saying on the draft. Yeah, there's some coaches that are really, really good evaluators. This head coach there is an excellent evaluator,

you know, I mean he really is. If you look at the way this football team has been built, he is an excellent evaluator. But there's a lot of these coaches now that don't have the opportunity. You know, they're they're thinking, oh, okay, well now we're starting to watch tape. Now we're having this, now we're having that. They haven't really caught up. Yeah, you know, the coaches would coaches need more time the scouts don't. Scouts have seen like Danes,

scouts have seen all this. And we always joke like every year, you know, as it gets later in the draft process, like narratives start changing, when the coaches get involved, just get involved. A lot of times will mess up a draft a guy because we don't call third down defenses. Yeah I know, I don't. Yeah, you know, I never. I never went down on the field and said, hey, we need to Brett needs to throw a sprint rite

option here. I never did that, and I'm intrigued by the possibility it'll never happen because I mean, the league is going to monopolize every way it can and having the draft, and basically it's okay, yeah, that's stretching out. It's an interesting thought though. Stretching out the calendar really helps keep the NFL and the discussion. So yeah, there's sure it's not going to change, but it would be interesting too. You know, a lot of teams will build

their board before the combine. Yeah. Uh, and that way they have some you know, at least a base going into the combine. But it is interesting when some teams still they'll take a picture of that board before the combine. We did every year, Yeah, and then we did every

year after. Yeah, you take a before and after picture, and then after the draft, three years down the road, you go back and look and say, okay, did we were we more correct, more accurate pre combine and then did we allow the testing to uh skew or thinking what you know, what we saw on the field and then or did it help in both ways. I got a discussion with Gil Brandt this morning about this about about boards and stef Kiss. He was, Gil was went

through our Star magazine, which is out. I'm going to give you all the details to the next break and how you pick that up. But Gil went through and he was he was not as high on Elisha Holyfield as I was. And I kind of shamed him in a way of saying, of somebody that evaluates tape, it was as important to you as evaluation you know of that. How would you not evaluate holy Field and say that, you know he doesn't have the type of traits you're looking for, and back he goes, well, just doesn't run

well enough. I say, Gilly, you look at the tape. You know, you look at the tape. And also he was very critical of rap the Washington Safety Yeah, you know, And I'm like, I S four seven four and we're gonna get into that. That's something I want to do here in the next at least the opening segment and I know we kind of yeah, kind of sorry I took that. No, No, it's quite all right, quite all right, But I want to get into what's gonna be What

are they gonna be the discussions in these war rooms? Now, what is going is our scouts gonna be you know, day and day? Are they going to be affected by the way these guys ran? Are they gonna be affected that Thompson from Alabama, the safety who we all thought was the best one coming into this process, has not run a forty yard dash? You know, are we are we gonna get affected by Raps time? And are we going to get affected by holy Field's time? Are we

gonna get affected? Uh? You know by the time of Jacobs from Alabama? You know, what are scouts gonna be fighting for and what are they going to be fighting against? You know, are there gonna be people in that room that's going to say you cannot take it? For example, Juwan H. Williams the corner from Vanderbilt. You know, there's gonna be people that are gonna love him in this draft room, and there's gonna be people that absolutely absolutely

don't because of what you said. He doesn't run well enough. He doesn't run well enough or the time's not so I want to get into that. Your your thought is there is there a group of player to all these wide receivers. You mentioned that, How are you going to stack that? Right? How do you stack all these defensive ends? How do you stack the safeties? With all the information that's coming in? Where the where do you think the biggest fights are gonna be in draft rooms around the

around the around the country. I think it's gonna be these receivers, because you know, we've said it since the start, there's we don't have a receiver in this draft that's a lock top twenty pick. But after that, between picks twenty and you know, one hundred, it's gonna be loaded. And so it's just a matter of you know, who do we prefer? And even okay, look at this team with the Cowboys. They brought in Emmanuel Hall, Yeah, they brought in McCole, Hardman, they brought in Deebo Samuel. These

are all three potential top one hundred picks. And you know, more teams are going to have more wide receivers on the board. And then the stack those wide receivers, what do you prefer? You know, it's going to be an initiating conversation with with Deebo. He's not the burner and that those other two guys are, but he's a more polished receiver and so what do you what do you value?

And so it's these wide receiver conversations are gonna be fascinating with when you throw in some of the bigger guys like you're Keim Butler, you're Nikil Harry, Kelvin Harman's how do you separate the bigger guys from and Andy Isabella from mcole, Hardman, um, you know, some of the smaller guys. So the wide receivers are going to be fascinating. The stack and then the debate about where they should be stacked? Do you do you feel like, what do you make of what the cowboys have done? Then at

wide receiver they added Cobb. I actually yeah, and now and they have a group of receivers they you know, they did it by committee last year, but they but they're still the committee's there. With the addition of Cobb. We saw what they were able to do with a Marie Cooper wrote, I wrote this this week. It's pinned on my Twitter profile and just did a little basic like draft primer. For everything you just said, Amari Cooper and Michael Gallop are the only guys here with long

term futures. It might be fun to draft a young guy on a four year deal, and that gives your receiver corps a long term direction because then you've got Gallop for three more years, new guy for four more years, and you know, whatever Cooper winds up signing, it'll be long. You know it'll be four or five six years. On the other side of that, you have Randall Cobb, Tavon Austin,

and Alan Hearns who are all here. And then that doesn't even include Cedric Wilson, Noah Brown, Lance Lenore, and I'll even throw in Devin Smith because who knows, maybe he can get right. So you obviously don't need a receiver. But that's what I've been saying from the very beginning is if you invest in a good one, first of all,

it's going to help your quarterback out. I think it's a great bang for your buck pick either at fifty eight or at ninety based on what Dane is just now saying about, how do you even stack these wide receivers. It's the classic like best player available, Like no, no, they don't need one, but I really think they could take this receiver corps to another level by drafting a good one. What do you make them bringing in Damien Harris running back from Alabama's interesting is the most surprising.

And you know, we don't have to go down the whole list of thirty you can find you could find it out, but we'll talk about it. And that's you know, kind of I wanted to get into. You know, I wrote a story about it that we we published it two weeks ago, but we ran it back this week.

Is you can get an idea of what they're thinking for all of these positions based on who they're inviting, because I mean, at the end of the day, we don't know one hundred percent where these guys are going to be drafted, but you have an idea, right So the receivers you're talking about, guys that you probably got to take in the second, third, maybe fourth round. Some of the you know, there's there's some linebackers that are clearly like day three picks. Obviously they don't want to

invest a big pick on that. You talking you know, round six seven, maybe undrafted free agent and that's what's so curious about Damian Harris is you're not getting him anywhere but fifty eight? Are you if maybe he's if he would get to ninety? Maybe that's why you're doing your Are you saying that? What are you saying he can get to ninety? I think it's possible. Sure, running backs are so tough. It's just because of what you saw last year with the r LSU kid and you

even brought that guys dropping all the way down. We are we are we overrating Harrison? Maybe we are? But even are we? I mean I got a second round grade on the game, so why needs a second back? I have a first round Grand Jacobs, second round grade on um to Harris, and then a bunch of third round grades. Yeah, so you know, I think he's worth it. But I don't know. If this team took a running back of fifty kill, yeah, it would be so. It would be bad. It would It would be a shock too.

It would be a total sub wouldn't It would be mildly shocking if they took one at ninety? In my opinion, I agree absolutely so that that does, you know, to your point make it really interesting? They brought in Harris. You know, I don't know. Could you see him taking a running back at ninety? Yeah, Well, if if Damian Harris were to fall to ninety, I think that's a different conversation. Yeah, like that's different. Let me tell you this.

If Taylor Rap falls to fifty eighth to safety, I'm all in for that, sure, But that's so much I'm just saying. I'm saying though, but I'm talking about guys that potentially could fall. I don't see Harris or Rap falling. I guess that's my point. Yeah, but I would you know, and do you do you look at Harrison say they could very well have a second round grade on him, and he very well could be better than anybody that's

left in the second round. So what real question? So, like I said, I want to read the whole quick, real quick, real quick. How many seconds? How many projects those guys we projected at fifty eight last week? How many of those guys you think are better that Damian Harris is better than the guys that we projected at at at fifty eight? Um, I mean, if you go through we think the two safety is better than the two safeties. If Abram if Abram was there or he

raps like he might be better. And I know, like you know, there are people that are down on Abram because he doesn't cover as well as other safeties. And you know, you never want a window dress your board. But never, man, it sounds crazy to go away from a good player at a position you need to draft a backup for an all pro I'm looking at my top one hundred board, and Harris is my fifty second player, my last ranked second round grade, and Abraham is thirty seven,

my highest grade, highest second round grade. Um, but I think everyone else we talked about like debos behind Damien Harris, um, who else we talk about? Call your Thorne Hill. Yeah, call your thorn Hill. So we talked about it, but about those defensive tackle No, I think there's a very realistic possibility he is the best player that it could be there at fifty eight. But that doesn't mean you should take him. What did you say, window dressing or not?

But no, no, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just again. We're here today, brought this guy in for reason. Let's try and figure out what that reason is. I would assume doing your due diligence, and yeah, maybe they like

him better than a lot of their other options. I think I think we'd have to take well, you you think there might be a possibility that he could be you're just saying that he for sure we'll be there at fifty eight, not for sure, but probably Yeah, and then but if you would get to ninety, then okay, maybe that's why you kill him. You kill you're killing him for taking him at ninety. Now, I won't kill him for taking him at ninety. I don't think i'd have a choice but to kill him for taking him

at fifty eight. Which what did you say to me on the break last week? Like Ezekiel Elliott is a humongous part of the reason for all of their success these last three years. Absolutely, and he's that good that you have to spend a top sixty pick on a backup for him, And also keeping in mind would happen to him last year? Yeah, he got worn down, Ye get bad, So he's It kind of goes back to the argument of like, there's no way contract looming too, don't there's no effing way that you need to like,

uh wow, I totally brain farted. There, there's no way you need to allocate all these resources to have a stud at every offensive line position, Right, isn't that what people say, Like you don't need a first round pick at every position position to be good if you need a top sixty running back to back up one of the three best in the league, like that just seems wildly inaccurate to me. Right, this team should absolutely draft a running back. It just doesn't have to be with

the top one hundred pick. Yeah, I mean, go look at who Look at Philip Lindsay from last year. You know this is fascinating. You mean that they brought him in though, it's when you got trying to figure it out when you go down the list of visitors, he jumps off the page at you. Like, guys, you're telling me how poor these thirty visits they are. And I'm just trying to figure all this out. I don't I get have to come up with an answer. I'll tell you right now, because because it would if you would

follow to ninety, like that would be tremendous value. Just it doesn't mean it's the right pick depending on who else is there. But I think in the right scenario, if he would follow to ninety, then it would make sense. Depending on who else is there at night? So at ninety he makes sense and at fifty eight you're scratching your head. Yes, maybe he makes sense at night. It

just depends who's there. Why do you want him at ninety because it's a lesser value pick, and you're telling me that he's I mean, you're getting him a full round after you said he'd be gone. I still don't love it, Don't get me wrong. What are you trying to get it fifty eighth? Then tell me what your

your idea is to get it fifty eighth? Then a potential impact player on defense, maybe not impact player, but someone that's going to at least be a building block to your defense, whether that's a safety, defensive lineman, whoever. Gerald Willis. Actually, well, there we go a second round player, don't there we go? Don't don't we got? We got gerald Willis talk coming up in the second segments. No, I understand. I'm just trying to you know you think

he's a second round player? No, okay, absolutely not. They might. I totally hope not. I want and I'll even take a step further. I want to And you're you're about to, You're about to come at me for this, But I want the guy. I want the best player available need who will make no who will will who will make an impact for this team? And like, even if it's a receiver, he's got a better chance of doing that

in the past happy NFL. He could theoretically with the three Okay, who your three start receivers here right now, Cobb of Gallup and Cooper. That that receiver you're talking about going to make a cop who has not been healthy the last two years of his career, who I think would be a mistake to just assume he's going to play sixteen games. Okay, but you tell me, you tell receivers have a hard time having some success, right first year rookies. Yeah, traditionally it's the one position that time.

And you know, for the eighteenth time, I'll say, I don't necessarily buy that, because teams find guys every year. Yeah, Juju was pick sixty two. Yeah, Tyler Lockett was pick sixty nine. They take Zach Allen. Is Zach Allen a better player than Damien Harris? What is Damian Harris doing

for this team? What's I'm just saying a vacuum. I'd rather have running back let's tell the running backs have a better chance of coming in and having success than any other positions on this Has Zeke ever missed a game for injury? No, the answers no, No, knock on wood, the answers no. Is this coaching staff creative enough to use two running backs really effectively the way the Saints did with Ingram and Kamara? You want them to take a tight end at fifty eight, that's that same question.

I don't same reason, the same reason. I just either on either defense or receiver, that would be my preference. Yeah, but we'll see how the board falls. It's just too when you're picking fifty eight because you're fifty seven have to come off the board. Oh sure, but okay, let's get into this real quick. Taylor rap runs in the mid four sevens. Bring him good, bring him, bring him well. He's not falling. The fifty eight stole much. That's me. Let's stop with the fifty eight and hope he falls.

That's not going to happen. But he could fall out the first round. That is realistic. Yeah, And if he's there, say, best case scenario is there forty? Do you go with you? The whole I've been with you the whole time. I never thought he was gonna get out of forty to forty five. I thought him and Abram both weren't gonna get out of forty five. No, I know, I'm just saying with a no, I never I never thought of him as being a guy that was going to be there.

But if people don't like a four to seven four, yeah, come on, but that's a second or your third to go get on trade and ninety. No. No, I'm not, no, no, no, no, I know that I can't get him. If he said forty, I'm not giving him much second of my third to go get him. No, That's what I'm at because he's not coming at fifty eight. But you, okay, what if I what if he gets close enough? What if he gets to fifty and I could ship one of my fours? Okay, Now I'm in sad. I don't think that's realistic. Pipe

is too good. Yeah, we're pipe dreaming right now. I do think it's realistic. Everybody's telling me, now, oh he's ran four seven four. He's not. He's he might he's not gonna get picked in the top second round, top of the second round. Oh maybe he's not gonna be There's a chance he had a Hall of Fame guy, tell me that. This morning I talked, I told you

kill Bratt fought me on the guy. Even if he doesn't get drafted the top of the second, cowboys aren't picking in the middle of the second, they're picking at the end. Yeah, realistically, he's there. Let's say he's there at forty. These the arguments are having right now. You're not going to trade your phone at third to go get him. Yeah, since when do you want to hold onto your picks? No, you're always trying to get rid. No, no, No, I love, I love. I love the way you guys

are thinking. The problem that I'm running into, though, is you told me from an initiation. I don't think the way you guys just described it. Nothing's changed for us. Nothing's changed. The four seven four, I think gives us a shot now. I wasn't. Well, I'm not shot draft him at fifty eight. No, No, a shot to make a small move, not a not a full on two pick move, don't I think that's Yeah? Okay, if that's the case, if you guys should tell me this, we're

not doing it. Yeah, we're not doing row. We are rough, So you're not giving up your second year thirty. You'd rather have Zach Ellen than about one thornhill. That's what it's gonna take. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna get me some players in this draft. If you guys tell me there's a shot that he's gonna be there, If there's a shot that he's gonna be there at fifty, I'm in. I'm in, but he's got to get to fifty for me. I am not giving up a second two and three. I'm not doing it. Is there a guy you'd give

up the three four? And I love him? No? No, you don't you like him, You don't love him? Oh stair point, Dane's playing broadest right stair point. If you're not gonna give a pick ninety is there a guy you'd give up pick ninety four? I'm thinking I'm thinking about that because to me, I just I don't want to do that. Since when you always want to do conservative? No, No, not in this case though, because I thought I realistically and we gotta go to break. I'm killing Kent right now.

I'm sorry about this. But the thing about it is, I'm sitting there thinking I didn't ever think I had a shot at him anyway. I didn't. I never, I never. I never thought I had a shot at him. And he runs at four seven to four, and everybody's telling me, now, oh, he might be there at fifty eight. You know, all these people are starting to say, oh, well, he runs slow. I don't believe they. Hall of Famer just told me, Hey, he might be there. I don't believe it. I don't

believe that that'll happen. Yeah, I don't either. You like Thompson enough to take him at fifty eight? Yeah? Scared? Oh? Why we haven't seen him work out? He's he worked out the other day. He ran to you, did a short shuttle, lot of stuff for you. Other day he hadn't run. Okay, why isn't he running? Is you have a leg injury? An ankle? No, it's a wrist. Might be the same contition, she might be the same thing about that safety at Washington. You want me to trade

up for what slow? Maybe? Well, I have more issues with Thompson than just speed, you know, a straight line speed. So what's your other issue? Size? Yeah, the fact that he's he's lanky. I mean, he's going to get I think he's gonna get hurt with the way he because he's a physical guy who won't back down. But he's gonna get hurt because they don't have a bulk on his body. Um, I think his eyes are an issue.

Let me ask you this, and this would be my final point, Ken, I promise when we get to two fifty eight and we start talking about best players on the board, is he going to be one of your best players on the board. You're talking about the Ante Thompson. Yes, I am so ye Alabama. The art what you're framing for me right now is that you're gonna have a choice between a bunch of guys that you don't love at positions you'd rather have, or Damien Harris. This is

exactly what I'm trying to frame. And I'm still saying, give me the guy exactly what I'm trying to frame. Thank you for coming around the guy. I don't. I don't. It doesn't change my opinion. Don't. I'm not. I don't want to draft it back up at fifty eight. It'd be dumb. I'd rather take a risk. Yeah, I'll say it'd be dumb to do it. It would be dumb with that, we'll go to break. We'll be right back

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fire as possible. I mentioned Gerald Willis in the last segment. Kevin says Gerald Willis's draft grade is all over the map. Would rafting him at fifty eight disappoint you? I think based on what y'all said in the last segment, the answer would be yes. Fifty eight would be high for me. This is the Miami defensive tack Absolutely. Yeah, he's probably an under tackle. Well, he has his background worries me.

I mean, I get him all the credit in the world for having being on this field as a senior, but uh, you know, he some off field stuff, some injury stuff. He's inconsistent verse to run when he shoots the gap. He can be a disruptor in the backfield, and there's a lot to like there, but it's the other stuff that worries me. Um, I think he's more of a third, fourth round guy. Dane's got him right.

I love this question from Renee. He says, if the best player available, going back to the first segment, if the best player available at fifty eight it's a cornerback, why not go for that. At times near the end of last year, I felt like cheetos surpassed Byron. I don't know about that, but that's okay. Wouldn't hurt, wouldn't hurt to have insurance? Yeah, that's true, Byron did just

have surgery. I love this question because honestly, it wouldn't shock me, like you keep you keep hearing whispers about Chris Richard to look at cornerbacks, and he went to a lot of long There are ange ones here in about a lot of long, lengthy corners. And again, you know, obviously they have needs, but they've fortified themselves pretty well. So what do y'all think talking about who could be

the best player of available at fifty eight? I think it's realistic that a Joean Williams from Vanderbilt could be the best player available. Absolutely, and if that's the case, that would make some sense. Again, there's not one single team in this league that says, no, we're good at corner, we don't need anymore. No, every team needs more corner depth,

especially this team. When you think the contracts, you look at Byron Jones coming off the hip, and so yeah, I think that would make some sense of fifty any Again, this team is not a player at fifty eight away from going to the super Bowl. Okay, Like, this player at fifty eight is going to help, but it's not gonna make or break this team going to the super Bowl. So do what's best not only for next year, but also for the long term. Thirty visit guy that quis

Chris Westy. I was thinking of, Yeah, I was thinking of I was looking at other cornerbacks that can tell. Yeah, I wasn't looking at him. Well, no one else would because they're the Kentucky had four defensive backs, Yeah, play in either the Shrine Game of the Senior Bowl. This guy was the fifth defensive back. Right, couldn't make He only made the Tropical Bowl, which is like the fourth

All Star Game. Right, but when you look at the raw numbers, six four and a half hundred nine nine pounds ran a four three five forty yard Dad, But I saw him in my own eyes. He's he's a good looking kid. Westree. What's your grade on him? I haven't seen him. I've seen I have not. I could be honest with you. I have not watched him play. I don't He've watched three hundred and fifty other guys. I'll try. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I mean he's one of those guys. I'll tell you. Okay, let

me ask you real quick. What about Derek Thomas from Baylor? Do you know any much about him? He was a combined guy. Um, he temple and Yeah, he form a basketball player, kind of late bloomer on the football. So he's a late round consideration guy. Yeah, I have him as a seventh, but he was a sixty sixty three and he ran a four four four. Let there we go. I wonder if maybe Richard is looking for like a late round guy he can kind and yeah, next year they say, Byron, you can go. We've got this kid.

We feel really well. Maybe it's a situation that they got with it with Anthony Brown. They remember what Anthony Brown was taking. We had third round grades on Anthey Brown. He gets taken it in six rounds. Point keep an eye, all right, Noah just says, go along with his hypothetical. Here Gerald Willis or Jay Sternberger at fifty eight. Oh, Gerald Willis didn't make my top one hundred player. You don't like the pregnant pause right there? No, no, no, no,

I'm trying to think of though. You know they I think they need defensive tackles. I don't think they need that defensive tackle. That's now they're they're hunting three techniques. They're hunting three, they're not hunting nose. So it made me pause because Willis could play the three, and Dane was talking about his ability to shoot the gap, which is absolutely right. There's there's things against our alma mater.

You could see him make some plays, but he'll play tall on you now too, So do you What I'm hearing you say is that you probably have a better grade on Sternberger, but you'd rather take a chance on Willis being able to be an undertackle. I'm just gonna tell you what they'll do. Well, that's what I care about. They don't actually care about your opinion. They're gonna they're gonna take. They would take Willis. I kind of think

so too. They would take Willis, and I would take Sternberger myself because I think they're better defensive tackles than Willis. Give me Damien Harris just, oh god, no, I wouldn't be happy with that scenario. If we figure out why they brought Damien Harrison here, guys, I think we kind of did in the first segment. I mean, they didn't do it for fun. They pick him at fifty eight. Boys, just get ready for the get ready for the fire. What'll be what'll be a worse reaction that or the

Taco reaction. The Taco reaction wasn't good either. It was bad My Cody Kessler reaction. Oh god, Argentina dude says, this is a good dude. That's his name. Welcome Argentina. Dude knowing Lyle is gone after this year, which probably, but you can't guarantee that, So a mail bad question today. If Greg Little drops to forty five, would you give up ninety to go get him? Offensive tackle? Sneaky need, not an immediate need, but a sneaky one because Lyle.

If Troy Brown's getting paid seventy million, Lyle Collins is probably due for a pretty sick paid age. I don't think. I don't think you know what I think they would do. Cam Flemington goes to right tackle. I agree they signed Cam Fleming on a two year deal. I think this. I think they would be a bridge to whoever else to go draft. I think they are content to let that hang for a year. And I totally agree that if they have to, they'll play Connor Williams over there

Draft Show twenty twenty. They'll be talking about offense exactly, exactly agree. Okay, Wow, you actually agreed with me. Zach Zach's I love the Zach's been listening to the show because this is the broadest phrase. Zach's trying to find a willing dance partner. Yeah, there you go, Zach. Would Dallas try to move Tank Lawrence to Baltimore for a one in a four? They don't think you're gonna get a one from him. I know I want not going to get a one. I like we did a whole

show on a one and a three. I like outside the box questions. But great question. As long as this shoulder thing is lingering with Tank, I just don't know if I if Tank would get if Tank would have been fixed, then I think there's a possibility that you get somebody to give you a one. I just don't think being he I think i'd say this on our show yesterday, all right, a couple of days ago. If if he gets fixed, he I think he takes back

over the leverage. That's another day for another show. But yeah, I think if he gets fixed, all of a sudden, he says, Okay, I gave you something, now you give me something. Not only that, but like, hey, I'm as soon as you put the paper in front of me, I'll be ready to go again. This team hunting defensive tackles, not ends, which is kind of a different thought. Right now, Caleb says, Dan, this is I'm gonna put you on

the spot here and I'm sorry. He says, how many safeties do you think will be picked before pick fifty eight? How many teams ahead of the Cowboys have a need at safety? I'm really I'm putting your draft knowledge to the test. There's quite a few. Because I was, I'm mapping up my seven round mock draft that'll be up next week. We'll do that the week of the draft. By the way, we'll have our Cowboys seven round mock draft Tuesday before the draft. And it's interesting trying to

map out these safeties. I only had one going in the first round. Then I think I had four going ahead of fifty eight, so five total, and which makes things interesting. Who's your one? Adderally going on the one and then wrap Abram Gardner, Chauncy Gardner, Johnson, Deantay Thompson coming off the board in front of Dallas. So you know, you look at teams like Philly, um, they could use one. I think had Chaunty Gardner, Johnson, the new Nickel in Atlanta.

What's Houston situation. They got back to back picks right in front of you two they do yeah, well they just they lose it. They signed somebody about but they signed the kid out of Jacksonville. Yeah, from Jacksonville Gibson, their third rounder from last year from Stanford Reid. He played pretty well, a really well. Yeah. So I think I think they're okay at safety at least in the first two rounds. Um, but I think they're gonna go you know who, the Technics are going to go after

some of those bigger corners. Yeah, Isaiah Johnson, Joan Williams, a couple of corners that the Cowboys might be interested in. So say, good insight, right there, Cowboys are fans of Isaiah Johnson. Going back to that cornerback talk that I mean, that's that is interesting. I mean, hey, there's there's more safeties visiting the Star this week than any other position, and of all the guys you just named, I think

three or four of them are visitors. So right, just saying, um, Paul says, with some chatter about working out linebackers, who are some late round linebackers that could kind of step into that special team's role. You know who I like a lot as Cole Holk them from North Carolina and he combined snub former walk on I mean just uh kind of made his way and he led the team in tackles the last three years. Really athletic. UH needs to be a better take on player. But I like

I like him. I think he's smart, I think he's physical. Um, it just needs to be a little more efficient with the way you can take on blocks. What did you think about Blake Cashman from Minnesota? Oh? I love get? Is he a higher up than He's? Not? A late round guy to you? Then? I gave Hi a fourth round grade before the Combine. Then he tested a lot better and he expected him too, So so you would be a guy that you would you would say he would probably go a lot earlier than where people he

usually had him projected. Right, He's a player you consider in the top one hundred. Where would you do with Cameron Smith from USC fourth round grade? I believe Okay, he tested a lot better than he plays like. He's instinctive, but he left production on the field because he just doesn't have the range that you need. I'll see you what though, he is a guy when you watch him play that read and react stuff is really good. He's sharp. Yeah, And so all of a sudden, I'm starting to think, Okay,

a guy that sees it pretty well. That reads pretty fast. They could get the ball. Yeah, can you finish a little bit better? I think he could. But yeah, four sixty seven and he's and he's over. He's at six two, two thirty eight. I don't when I think of special teamers, though, I don't know if he's necessarily going to fit the bill, um, even though I know he tested well. Yeah, I'm thinking of Coole Holko. Another thirty visit is or Arkansas linebacker.

I think he's the ideal special teamer and a guy that you're looking at in fifth the seventh round. Okay, here's a good one. Um. Kevin says, you know, talking about safeties, if the value just isn't there for safety on Day two, he says, early Day three safeties, So I'm gonna I'm setting the strict parameter. Fourth round pick you got, you got two. Who's the safety you could draft with one of those fourth round picks that you would feel good about? You're like any of those fourth

round safeties brought. I'm looking right now at my fourth round safeties. He threw out Malik Gant Malik gans a good player from Marshall. Yeah, yeah, that's a good name. Malie Gant and Mike Edwards are my two fourth round safeties. Yeah, Mike Edwards from Kentucky who's been banged up but he can play. Yeah. Um and I have a couple of four fives will Um Will Harris from Boston College College. Yeah,

thinks in Colorado a couple four they visited. They also visited to that Cary Wills, the Cory Wills from You Can Stay. Yep, you didn't have him that highlight. No, I did fifth round. I think it's what fix I have a six. Yeah, I think it was fifth round on him though, But yeah, that's kind of the you know, I've got to get into a couple more of those guys. But I think the guy that the guy they brought in, Malie Malik Gant's a great name. And then also I

know that I could say, yeah, that that's Willis. Those were kind of the guys I would think that they would they would look at is that it for this? I got more? I mean, we're up at we're let's let's let's save that. Let's say that we got we I want to do some tell me more, maybe we can you know, can get back to that. Okay, when we come back we will hit you with some tell me more, stay tuned. While a player could look good on paper, it's one he's out on the field that

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do a little tell me more. The great thing about waiting till later in the draft cycle to do tell me more is that you can pay attention to news going on with the Cowboys draft interests and then pick names that are beneficial and make you say on smart Yep, there you go. We kind of touched on one of them in the last segment. Tell me more about Boston College safety Will Harris. Will Harris senior Bowl guy, not a lot of college production. Yeah, but I thought, I

think he has good traits. Freddy Rangey. I want to see better red reacts anticipation from him. But I think he moves well. I think he's tough, so I think he hold up versus run in the past. I just don't he's not a playmaker, Yeah, but I think he there are functional traits that will keep him in the NFL. No, he's absolutely right. And when you watch him watch his tape, you're like, okay, okay, okay, You're kind of waiting for him to do something, and then you know he'll find

a way. I think the thing that Dane said the best about his traits, I think he's a really I think he's a good athlete, and I think when he sees it, he can go. You can see the four four one speed that he has when he has to make what are the best places? I saw that I switched to coverage him in a corner, switched the coverage on a route that went down the field, and and usually safeties get caught having to chase. He just naturally just turned and ran with the ran with the safety.

So it showed me that he knew what his signment was. It also showed me he had the athletic ability to carry the wide receiver down the field. So I like him. I had him personally in the fifth round. It's where I had So that's kind of where where we're at. Yeah, I really would like it if the Cowboys drafted a running back in a sensible slot. Okay, not at pick fifty eight, Okay, day three. So with that in mind, tell me more about Miami's Travis Homer. A young guy.

He's one of the youngest in his class. He doesn't turn like twenty one until August. So young young kid. Thanks Mickey five ten, two one, four four eight and the forty um he's I was pretty encouraged by his pass pro Yeah, he'll stop up and do it. Um, he's more of a slasher. Yeah, one cut guy and go and uh he'll he'll run through contacts. But he's not overly powerful. Um, he's a guy in the later rounds that I wouldn't mind adding to my team. Yeah,

I think that. I think did Danes absolutely right about him, Winskin. I think this guy's really aware to pick up blitzes, which is really I was encouraged by that because he's five ten three two h one the four four eight looks in gentlemen. And I thought he had great patience as a runner too. You would see like the blocks kind of developers start to develop and it wasn't always clean, and then he would wait, wait, wait, wait, and end

up he's stepping through the hole. So yeah, I was I felt like that they would he played a little bit more power. I thought there were times where I watched him lower the shoulder, try and run through guys. He'll bounce off guys, you know, carry you know, carry the ball, carries his pads. Well. I think that there's some complete backtraits to his game. Again, not a lot of catching, but the times that he did catch, I thought he was pretty comfortable doing that. A couple he

had to adjust the ball was behind him. He just two it a couple different times in the flat and then gets up the field. So where am I getting him? He's probably more of like a fifth sixth round, kind of between five and seven more. Yeah, he's somewhere, probably more closer to six. I know you're I know you said five to seven, but he's probably closer to a sixth round guy's really what he is. Speaking of tall cornerbacks. Got my eye on a six two guy out of

Penn State by the name of Amani Oruwarier. A nice job, thank you, I wrote working on it. I wrote out the I wrote out the phonetic spelling on my notes. You go. I'm still working on him. People like him a lot more than I do. I don't know. I like him, yeah, but I don't like he didn't make my top one hundred players, right, he just missed. He's more of a fourth early fourth round guy or um. I don't know. I mean, I you like the size. He's six one and a half. He tested okay, uh

the four four seven and the forty rum. He's alert je to tackling. That's true. The most corners are. But I need my guy to get get him on the ground. Yeah, you know, I hear you. He's very just he's ultra conservative as a run defender. I think when the ball's in the air and he can locate it, he can be a playmaker. He'll go and get the football, but he has to locate it first. Yeah, that's the problem. He lost the Michigan State game because he couldn't find

the ball. Ye, Felton Davis, Yeah, felt they've got over the top of him. Yeah, and so to me, and Dan's right about him. I do think this guy's got some quick foot in this to him in reaction. The problem is, I don't think he plays a very good balance. No, he's not. Yeah, and it's just that, that's all. And if my corner doesn't play with balance, I'm i'm I'm I'm out. If he doesn't tackle, doesn't defend the ball, you know me, I always like these guys are able

to defend inside routes, y'all aren't. Y'all aren't giving me a lot to work with here other than the size. My final my final line. His report checks two important boxes with his length and intelligence, but his average speed and inability to maintain his balance and coverage likely limits him to his own base scheme. Yeah, I loving it, guys. That means he's gonna be an All Pro next year

for this team. Rookie of the Year. Yeah. Another guy that we mentioned in the last segment, we know, we know he's he said he was talking to Jerry Jones, which is interesting, which not surprising given where he went to school. Yeah, tell me more about Arkansas linebacker Dre Greenlaw. Dre Greenlaw undersized, He's under six foot. He was actually safety in high school. Yeah, right, and they recruited him

as a safety at Arkansas. Uh. He's got a difficult background, like he was in and out of foster care, had a difficult upbringing. And then one of the assistant coaches the high school is kind of like the blindside narrative type thing, and so adopted him and um, you know, kind of helped change his life around. Football has been a big part of his life, and he played as a freshman. He's been a big part of the Arkansas

defense the last four years. He's undersized, and you know, I questioned just how great his range is, but and there's sometimes where the height will work against them. Well, that's that's the division. That's the thing. But I think if you're looking for a guy who's going to help out on special teams, and I think because he's a former safety, you do see some of that in coverage, so you know as a sub package player, as a special teamer, you know he's not a bad pickup in

the later No, you're absolutely right. And then and you do see the length give him problems because one of his best moves is to extend and then as he's going backwards is to spin to get to the ball, and then it's now he's And I'll tell you something though about Arkansas and this and maybe Dane found the same thing. They beat LSU every time we're good. No, yeah,

I know the defensive line is not any good. And there were a lot of times where he had guys right on top of him having to fight blocks, and then he would manage to get off blood. He makes a ton of tackles seven and eight yards down the field, right, And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the guys in front of him are not very good, and then that affects the way that he plays. But he you know you mentioned that

he's to hustle the effort. I mean there was one time Alabama Harris breaks through there and you know he's having to co he's having to fight a block and now he's got off the block and now he's running. He makes the tackle. Yeah it's twelve yards down the field, but he didn't give up on the play. Right, So Yeah, the link is going to be a problem for him for sure. If he gets drafted by this team, it would undoubtedly be as a special teamer slash even a

game day inactive as a rookie. Yeah, Bobby a guy that they just love to have because he's he's fought through so much where I want I'll get to that. But where do you where would you project him in a in a defense? Like where would you play him with a linebacker? Right, he's got a run and the one thing he does he's got four seven three speed. I disagree with Dane on one thing. I saw a guy that had a little range to him, though he does when he's running. I mean, you're watching the Arkansas

guys kind of run. He's running past those guys to get to the ball. No, let me, let me clarify. I like his range, But to your point about getting through the trash, Yeah, that's where I don't think he's very range because he gets hung up on blocks. But if yeah, if he's going in reverse or just be able to run, he does have range. Yeah, it would be easy to argue that linebacker is their lowest need on this team, and they bring in all these games.

Well no, well that's the that's the point I'm gonna make. They've got Vanderesh, They've got Jalen Lee's here for at least one more year. Joe cons is here for at least one more year. You just drafted Chris Covington, justin marsh Lillard re upped you. You're set for twenty nineteen. But this team loves to draft linebackers. Ten out of the last year, it's been Blooms County stroke in this thing. Ten out of the last thirteen years they've drafted one.

They've doubled up four times in the last decade. Ten out of the last thirteen years they've drafted a linebacker. And and they've doubled ready. They you know, they drafted I think it was Hitchens and Will Smith was in the same draft. Um last year, Covington and Layton Vanderesh like they love. They love those guys to be their hustle players, their special teams players, their versatile at doing

a bunch of different jobs. I just and if they don't, if they don't spend a late round pick on a linebacker, they'll bring in some priority free agents. There's no doubt in my mind, absolutely all right. Last one Cortez Broughton. Broughton d tackle at a Cincinnati you like quartet and this is your guy brought us. I do like him a lot. I mean, I appreciate Dave bringing him up because I basically put him in a headlock to to did He was like, put this guy on your list,

I want to talk about him. No, I do. I really like this guy a lot because I think there's some I think there's some traits about him that are you know, to me. I got him as as one of those under tackles, and again, this is a team that's hunting under tackles, and I'm I think this guy's got some elite collins to him. And I think when you watch him play, you know, I'm elite kind of shuffles like he like, you know, when he's when they're working around a twist. His feet never really get up.

I mean his knees never, but it's like that quick feet kind of getting around and stuff like that. I think he's I think this guy's got some of that to him. And he's a little choppy with the chase the quarterback, but he's got initial quickness. He could close down in a hurry. When when when you see the hole open up and he's there at three, he could cross face and then close down. I think the guy plays with some power, I think, and he finishes with

some violence. There's some times when you watch this guy tackle, they're like he's wrapping up and now he's slamming a guy down on the ground. So I saw a guy who plays outside the tackle box. That tells me he's got a little bit of range. But I think that, you know, I think there's times where he needs to hold the point of attack just a little bit better. I think he gets too anxious and trying to get off so quick that he kind of takes himself out

of a play. But you know, overall, though I love I love him how active he is for an inside player and for a team that could use a three technique. And again he reminded me of MOLLIEK. Collins when he played in Nebraska. That's why I would I would look at this guy. He's kind of the later on version of or the day three version of like a Dreamond Jones. Sure like he'll worries against the run, but he'll make plays in the backfield. Broughton has seventeen and a half

tackles for loss last year, so productive teen and a half. Yeah, forty starts over his careers like that. Yeah, there's play to like about it. What grade you give him? Brought us? I put him in the fourth round, Okay, Yeah, I have a fifth on him, so yeah, see to me. And I had a third round grade on MALIEK. Collins coming out, and so I was thinking, Okay, is he as good? Is he similar? But he just there's certain times when they're players. And again, Dane's this magazine that

we did. He'll give you comparisons of guys, you know, and then all of a sudden it kind of clicks in your head. Yeah, he's right, And I just think of if Malie Collins wasn't hurt all the time. Yeah, we've been talking about a different player in Malie Collins, but this this kid reminded me of that disruptive up the field quickness. Kind of gets outside, but I'm back inside now, chasing the football, getting up, working the twist stunts.

I think that the Cowboys probably won't take this guy, but when he does get selected, I'm gonna I'm gonna give a really a glowing scouting report. I'm gonna stop down the show and give this guy a glowing scouting report. Here's all the reasons this guy is great. Cowboys won't draft no, come on, no, no, no, no. I would like to think I would like to No, no, I would like to think they would. I'm excited about these fourth round picks. Sure I am too. You know they're

right where we give up three. You want me to give up ninety to go up and I'm like, I'm gonna say pick Dan, and I don't want you to do anything. Dan and I like to hold our picks. You are the one that wants to always get rid of it. So when you suddenly change your tune, that's when it's fishy. I don't flip flop very much. You just did today on that. No, we just haven't about we just haven't found the right player that's you know, That's That's what I'm saying, though, is the right player

that's safety? Okay, let me ask you this, damn it, I would about the same thing. No, is the right player of the safety is is of of the of the potential sliders, of the potential sliders. If Rap is one of the sliders. Polite, when you say slider, you mean get to you, get near you you or get near you, get near you at fifty fifty forty okay, forty eight, forty nine fifty, I'm talking about it. I'm talking about an eight spot jump that's gonna cost me a four. Maybe I would trade a fourth to get

Taylor Rap. Well yeah, yeah, that but that's our whole point is like I think you're you're whistling Dixie like you're crazy. I don't think that's gonna happen, right, I'm more trying to consider if I would trade a third, which I would consider. Okay, So we're thinking now, within the last couple of minutes here of the show, we're thinking about him as a trade up guy. We're definitely thinking about him as a trade up I don't I don't know I don't think so are we what Taylor Rat? Yeah?

I mean, what's the trade that I don't want to give up ninety? I would consider giving up ninety to go get a Rap? Okay, Okay, I like it, I'm not. I don't. I don't know if for sure I'd do it.

But I think you have to wait to see how the draft plays out and see how it's looking and how comfortable you are with who's going to be there at fifty eight ninety and compared that against it's I mean, it's that we do this every year, like Juan Thornhill and Mcole Hardman or Taylor Rap, you know, or it's tougher this year when we're talking about eight ninety and not you know, seventeen in right, sure whatever, you know, it's fifty. I mean, uh, Zack Martin and DeMarcus Lawrence

or Zack Martin, Trent Edwards and Trey Turner. You know. It's yeah, that was I think that was the guy that Stanford. Yeah, that was the guy that got drafted at forty seven. I don't think the Cowboys would have taken him. I just used his name name I haven't heard in a long time. Uh, yeah. I remember. One of the coolest things we did last year's draft show was you came up with those scenarios those three players. Yeah, we shouldn't do that again. Get ready for next week. Yeah,

I will just get ready, get ready, get ready. That was really interesting with you know if Vander esh or Harold Landry. Yeah, that that was really interesting. Made you think, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna make you think it's close. We're getting close to this thing. Three weeks from today. We're thinking it's sneaking up. Oh no, it's not sneaking up. It's right here. Seriously, We're gonna, like I said, yeah, we're gonna do our seven round. We're gonna go to double shows the week

of the draft. We'll probably do a Tuesday show. We'll do our seven round cowboy mock draft. Some live shows too, Yeah, we got some live shows hopefully. Yeah, our marketing people would do that. That would be nice. But anyway, let them know, let them know. But that's it. That's all the time we have for today. Though. I want to thank everybody out there for fully thanks our folks in Bermuda. Oh good, you remember I forgot Bermuda. Yeah, we have

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