Draft Show: 3 Weeks 'Til Draft Day

in an NFL draft, and I'll welcome everybody in. Brian brought us along with Dane Brugler, CBS Sports, David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Kent Garrison, Executive producer, twenty one days Boys. We talked about it yesterday a little bit, a little bit, one more day closer. We do keep doing these shows every day. We'll eventually get there. Weeks, three weeks, three weeks. April has gotta be at least for me, it's the best sports month of the year. Yeah.

Your tribes just beating up on our rangers. I don't want to bring that up. Go away about that. As the Mariner man, he's oo and three two over here. We've got the Master's going on right now, got the Master's going on. Yeah, it's it's just a great month, a lot going on. So three weeks hard to believe. Yeah, it is hard to believe. We started this what over three months ago? Yeah, right before they right before the Senior Bowl January twentieth, probably something like that, something like that.

I abviously lose track of days. I just know it's three weeks till the draft. I'm excited about that. Wanted before we get going at well, today, we're gonna talk a little bit about clean up some Pro day stuff I want to do that we had LSU and Baylor were the last two really that we have the big schools pro Days. We got these thirty visits that are going on right now here at the Star. I also want to get into I'm gonna try and get you

guys to go up or back in this draft. Okay, throw some numbers out there at you and see if you're interested in doing that. Back sure, up? No, Well, we'll see if we can make you change your mind. I'm not gonna make you go too terribly far. Okay, I'm gonna make you go a few picks just to kind of see if you're interested in And I'll have Tony Romo as a bargaining Chimpaney. Now you don't, but

we'll do that. We're gonna get into a little twitter on the twenty, which we encourage everybody to get their questions in. At the draft show, David Hellman will carry that. That's one of my favorite things we do because it's the interaction with the fans. That's really what this is all about, the interaction that we can have with you. We always talk about investigate and educate. That's that will always be our motto, and so I want to be

able to answer as many questions as we can. We'll also get into tell me more five players that you might not know much about, but Dan Burglar myself will try and educate you on those guys as well. So Dan clean up the pro day now, we had some talk about that. Adams the safety from LSU ran in the four or threes. I got some confirmation from my guys that I was talking to. They got him at the four three eight is what they said. And the guys I talked to there had them mid four four.

So regardless, good times, good times, especially an improvement from the four or five six right that he had at the combine, and he did exactly what you expect, and this is what teams expected of Tease Tabor. You know, you run a pedestrian time with the combine. Sometimes that happens, you know, it's the combine is a nerve wrecking racking event where you're are just you're on edge, You're you're

not yourself. You're putting this position where a lot's riding on it, so you're just Sometimes the jitters and everything get get the most of you and you don't run the best time that you you know you can. And to Jamal Adams credit, he said, that's not what I could run. I can run a lot better. He trained, he got better, and it showed estraight during the pro day. So he did exactly what scouts want to see. You

see that improvement in the drills. And that's the only drill he did, the only athletic testing drill that he did. Surprised that four net. You know he ran the four. I didn't care about the forty, right, he ran a four or five one of the combine. That's good enough. That's fine at two pounds, thought, right, you don't need to see that again. Twenty eight and a half inch vert and then he said, okay, I'm done at the combine, right, and you know whatever, Fine, he wasn't having a good day.

Probably thought it was going to snowball on him a little, right, And that's fine. So I combine. I didn't beat him up for that like that. That's fine. You wait till your pro day. At the pro day, he didn't do anything. He did positional drills, but he didn't he didn't jump, he didn't do any of the cone drills. So to me, that's curious. I mean, I guess, I mean, does he think he's the top running back he doesn't have to

do anything? Is that that? What's his mindset? I mean, he's two hundred and twenty eight pounds, so he got he's down from two forty. Yeah, you figured with the with the weight loss, Yeah, that he probably felt like, you know what, I'm too heavy here to really change directions. Well, so now I'm at two twenty eight, right, maybe you to give it a go, put a better foot forward. All it does is create questions, Now, is this going

to cause him to free fall down boards? No, but it does create questions that we talked about this off the air yesterday, like aren't you just a little bit concerned. Yeah, I'm a little bit concerned. I mean, Leonard Fournette is seventeenth overall on my board, and I think that's lower than most people have him. I still think he's worth a mid first round pick, but there are enough questions there that that worry me. It's why I have Dalvin

Cook and Christian McCaffrey over him. I think he's a good player, and you get excited about what he could be at the NFL level that but there are just questions. Albert Brewer from the NFL, it's not NFL networking Wris with Peter King's group, I'm not mistaken. Monday Morning quarterback on a tweet last night late was talking about that people and I don't know if this is you know, we get the lying bit going on right now. I'm sure Albert's got some really good sources, but you talk

about it. He said, McCaffrey maybe a top ten player. Do you see that going in the top ten. I think he's a top fifteen player. So yeah, I don't think it's a stretch to put him in the top ten. Wow, He's I love him. He's I've said this before. I don't think this is an exaggeration, But I think he's the smartest ball carrier I've ever evaluated. He's just so smart with reading his blocks, understanding where spaces are going

to be. You know, he gets down. You rarely see him get hit really hard because he understands when the mission's over and you know, he understands how to avoid those big hits. But he can also break those big runs. He's a phenomenal athlete. There's just so much to like with this player is versatility. Now again, you have to be your a little creative because he's two hundred two pounds. You know, he's not going to be a workhorse between the tackles, so you have to be a little creative

with how you use him. But as long as you have an open mind, absolutely I would not argue with you if you tell me he's a top ten player. Okay, then with that being said, David, you have a problem with that, don't you. I just worried that if that were going to happen, that if you're gonna use a top ten pick on him, you probably have a good idea what to do with him, But I would worry that you're not going to use him the right way.

You're not going to use him enough to justify that because I don't see him as a workhorse running back and so and that's honestly I see him going or I would think he would go later because the teams that I think would use him the right way, or the teams that don't need that feature back. You know, That's why he was always such a popular pick to the Patriots because of that very reason. And then you

think about some other teams. I know people have talked about the New York Giants, who already have Paul Perkins to help out with that. So I think I just I don't know, if you know, people said four was too high for Zeke to be the workhorse, and Christian McCaffrey's sure not going to be your workhorse running backs, So you better scheme up a hell of a blueprint to get him enough touches to make him worth a top ten pick. I've been mocking a number fourteen to Philly,

and if I'm the Cowboys, I hate that. That scares the heck out of me. I know he's in the twilight of his career. What does that do with Darren Sprowls? Though, I mean they already have that they do. But no, like you said, I mean he's on he's on the back nine. Yeah, you know, he is my favorite line. He's he's on like sixteen or seventeen. He's putting out. But with with this player, I think that'd be a situation where that's a team that would be able to

use in the right way. I think coach Peterson would know how to use that type of talent. Don't and I'm just playing Devil's advocate, don't based on and I got to watch Philly twice last year. Don't you think that they need more Not that he's a great player, but like they need somebody more than a gad gadget back. Is disrespectful to how good he is. But a guy

who's not your feature back. I agree. I think they need more of a power guy they need, you know, more of or a receiver who's worth a damn for that matter. Right, No, I think that's fair. Um, And I think with McCaffrey, I think he can be a feature back. You just have to tweak your definition of what feature back is. You know you're going to uh, you know, put a motion amount in the slot you're going to He's he'd be the best route runner on Philly right now. I mean he's that type of versus

you know, that type of versatility. I think you can use that in today's NFL. So I don't know, Like I said, you have to be an open, open minded play caller or a guy like this. So not he's not gonna fit everyone, but for the right fit to go to go and ask you this though, real quick

if I can. Yeah, of course you know that. You know the Saints pretty well, Oh my god, he would be And this is what Sean Payton if you get if you look at what happened with the Saints when they let Sprowles walk, you know, I mean they had six Yeah, is this Sean? You know? Is this Sean? He's got two first round picks? I means is eleven? I mean you don't think it's too rich, Dave, you think it's too rich, but it's the is the fit at the Saints at eleven? Actually the Saints at the

very least. The Saints have two first rounds. They need to try and fix their defense. They've been trying to do that for twenty six years now. That's and Drew Brees makes you prime rib out of exactly potato salad whatever. That's a terrible analogy, but you get my point, Like, he doesn't need a top ten pick. Terribly awesome. He's got Willie Snead over there doing stuff like I don't I think he would be amazing in New Orleans, but I don't think you can justify. I'm just trying to

find a spot for him. It would be if Dan's got him in the top fifteen. You know, I'm sitting there. And if Philadelphia is a team you talked about, but I'm thinking about as your team. I'm trying to get him close to the top ten. If Albert Brewer's right and teams are talking about him as potentially a top ten pick, I think Buffalo is at ten. I don't think Buffalo would do it. I'm just trying to get a teams. Carolina is a team to everybody puts a

running back to. Yeah, but I don't see Carolina doing that. And I mean I see Carolina going to get in. It's not any running back that people mocked to Carolina either. It's almost always four Nette. It's always four Net. They want that. They want the power back, Yeah, they want the power back. It's New Orleans the team that could do it at eleven. I think that it's possible, and I think the instant narrative would be, well, did Reggie Bush live up to you know, the number two overall

pick when he went to the Saints? And no he did not. He had a solid career, but he did not live up. And I think that'd be the what people would instantly talk about. Would Okay, it was Christian McCaffrey going to live up to being the eleventh overall pick with the Saints. You know, it's a high investment. You have to use him correctly. But way, man, you're you're selling me on this guy that I like the

I like them. Starting with the narrative would be the Saint is it's all someone's gonna take peppers, and the narrative is gonna be that whole thing, and some GM is gonna stand up there and with a big ego and be patting himself on the back for taking pepper. New Orleans would be like a damn near carbon copy of the situation here, which is like, yeah, he fills a role and you can use him and it would

make your offense even scarier. But you got so many other problems that you need to worry about, especially and the Saints are picking eleventh twenty eight. Well they're eleventh and thirty two. You've got two. If I were them, if and he might, he probably won't. But if McCaffrey fell all the way to thirty two, sure, but not at eleven. I mean somebody like a will be up on the table at twenty eight if he gets all the way down, that badass pass rusher is going to

be there at eleven like somebody really good. I've I've got him taken, Ruben Foster even better. That's that's something that makes a lot of sense there. I actually and okay, Philip would make their defense instantly more tougher. Billy makes sense, and it would not be great from that standpoint again, though, I mean, like I think about like Mike Williams or

Corey Davis. You know, Carson Wentz doesn't have any We were talking about Fournette and they brought in all Shan Jeffrey, they brought in Tory Smiths, you know, but both of those are essentially one year deals. So you can't rule out a wide receiver there, especially at fourteen. What about and and it's it's not the top ten, it's you're falling a little bit. But I've heard the Giants is another one that I think it makes sense and people have talked about it. You have again, Paul Perkins was

pretty solid last year. He's a he's your third down back, he's your seever back. Obviously. I mean, it makes that offense even scarier than it already is with Marshall and Beckham. And I think there we are talking about a guy that is it's got everybody excited. But we went away from the Fournette discussion. You know, I'm that and and I think everybody it could could Who would be the bigger slider then? And I know I need to get to some other stuff, but who would be the bigger

slider in your opinion? Then? Between Fournette and cook Man. It's remarkable how low everybody's opinion on both of them is compared to what it was. See this is where his McCaffrey thing might have some water, because all of a sudden, you've got a player. You know what this player can do. I don't think you're really sure I've gotten cook And I mean I shouldn't say you can

watch the tape. I go back to my original point though, which is that best case scenario, Cooking Fournette are both year Zeke type of every down off the touches, They're always out there rookie of the year. Where like and in best case scenario, best case scenario, how many touches per game do you think Christian McCaffrey is going to average as a rookie. We'll see. The one thing that's really see I if I'm drafting him in the top twenty, that's what he's getting. I'm see Sean Payton can do that.

I'm thinking, like, that's that's why, That's why I'm thinking that Sean Payton at the Saints is you know, if if just to give your your argument some credibility, which it should, I mean, but I'm just saying, give me a coach that could figure out how to use McCaffrey. Give me a guy, give me, give me one of these coaches that that has the creativity to get him twenty twenty five touches a game. McCaffrey's two hundred and two pounds at the combine. Donalind Cook is two hundred

and ten pounds. I mean eight pounds, really that much of a difference where one guy can be a twenty five carry back and the other can't. I mean, I mean, I'm not saying the perception of McCaffrey is he's not to us we've seen him play. He could be a between the tackles back. I haven't seen that. And he's not a workhorse. He's not going to carry the ball twenty five times a game. But I think he can touches fifteen carries and you know, eight eight targets, you know,

so he gets six to seven catches a game. So I think that's very possible. So you're talking, you're right around twenty touches offensive touches a game, not to mention if you use them on special teams as a return man, which I don't know how Jazz you are about that with the top fifteen pick, putting him out there to possibly take some punishment. But I'd do it with his ability, sure, and that's what it's But I guess that's my point is that's what's going to take as somebody who's committed

to doing that. Otherwise I don't. I don't think it's worth this. It's all about Fournette, though I keep you know, I know it's I'm legitimately it sounds like you guys are more excited about McCaffrey than you are Fournette or cook. I'm more confident that McCaffrey is going to play up to the expectation for him, and I think that's the current climate of scouting community because of how the combine went, how this pre draft process has went. You know, we

saw what Kaffrey did the combine. You know, he looked exception on his pro day. Meanwhile, Cooking Fournette kind of fell flat on their face. And still we have questions about Fournette. He's lost weight, which was great, but he doesn't complete well and he doesn't do all the competitive workout. We can talk about how he lost weight, that's great. Why weren't you two hundred twenty eight pounds of the combine?

Did you not care enough to lose the weight? You know, this is a guy who's always been bigger, faster, stronger. Is he going to put in the time and the effort to separate himself once he gets to the NFL because everyone all these running backs he's starting running backs

are extremely talented at the NFL level. In order for Fournette to live up to this high building as a top half, a round one player, He's have to put in more time to be more than just because he's not going to be bigger, faster, stronger than NFL linebackers. Maybe some, but not all of them. So for me, Fournett's the third of the three. I understand the Dalvin Cook you know, pessimism right now, just because of how he tested. But I'm trusting the tape on that one. Yeah,

where do you have them going right now? And my mock I have McCaffrey fourteen four, Net at eight, Carolina fourteen McCaffrey, and then Cook at twenty four to Oakland, which, yeah, if this h Marshawn stuff happens, then speaking of Oakland real quick, I know we're gonna I own to put a bow. I mean I teased about trading up. Can I interest you in Oakland's pick at twenty four? Can I interest you in going from twenty eight to twenty four? You gotta yetta? Yeah, but let me tell you, Let

me tell you how we're gonna do it. What am I giving up? The problem is you're gonna have to You're gonna have to overpay. But we've got to get Oakland to give us something back on this. If we can, we're gonna plot. We're likely gonna have to give up our third to do this. Now that's a that's a huge, huge overpay. If I have my own, here's my chart right here, it's not a huge overpay, but it's we're

thinking about doing this Oakland. You would get Oakland's twenty four and one twenty nine fourth yeah for your twenty eight in ninety two. No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't. You don't want to. I'm not giving a pick back. Well, have to third round pick. Well, you have to get this deal done. You're gonna have to who's there? Who? No, No, I'm just saying. I'm just trying to get you interested in you know, I'm not interested. I him, I'm not. I don't want to give up

top one hundred picks. But you're But you're getting one twenty nine back. Great, you're getting a fourth round back. Zero chance that not doing it, Dak Prescott, notwithstanding one twenty nine is not an exciting draft pick him. Yeah, you're gonna have to overpay to get there. I mean, the differentials on it and That's what you always have to do to trade out. That's why I hate doing it. Yeah,

the team that trades up almost always overpays. The differential is a right about fifty two unless it's the twenty thirteen San Francisco forty nine ers. Means there's somebody at twenty four you'd like. That's what I'm trying to say to me. T J Watts, the guy that here we go. I think he's gonna go top twenty five. Um, now maybe he won't. Maybe he'll slide to twenty eight. Look at the Look at Okay, who's picking ahead of you. Let's let's just take it a look right now, my

mok haven't going to Detroit. Yeah, think about that. I mean, if you, if you're willing, I know, how much do you want? Why if that's the case that and what if Tack McKinley, What if it's a Tack McKinley situation. This is crap And I'm gonna tell you why take it back. I think I've mentioned this before. It's the same thing as DeMarcus Lawrence. They got rid of a third round pick to get him. They were convinced that that was their guy and He's not a love Charles

Harris love Love? Would do you love? Charles Harrison? Twenty eight? There is not There is not a guy in realistic realm of possibility who's worth giving up that kind of pick to move that short of a spot there. And I mean maybe if if you needed a quarterback, sure, and that's what drives trades, but you don't need a quarterback. And the difference between j Watt and whoever's there at twenty eight, I don't think it's worth it. How bad is he going to feel with Watts off the board.

I'm not going to feel that bad. That's my point the drop. What would you like at twenty eight? What would be your ideal player to take at twenty eight? Ideal Um Watt's fine if he's there to cars. McKinley's fine if he's there. Kevin King would be great. I'd love Kevin King. I love big center backs. Think about he's thinking about taking a cornerback there, it sounds like and I would love for that pick to be a

corner or a pass rusher. That's the that's the area where we're going to see runs on those two positions. Pass rusher in corner so you know, the Cowboys are in a position where they can stay at twenty eight and still feel pretty good about the player they're going to get. Yeah, it's a near impossibility for them to be totally wiped out. I'm not yeah, no, no, you're

right about that. I'm not going. But I'm what I'm trying to tell you here is could you go get you know, if you feel I mean you're going, I'm not asking you to go mammoth run to the top of the board. Ims going to go. Four spots they have, but you're getting You're you're giving up a three, but you're getting back a four. They and they have three picks that you would call premium picks. I put a top one hundred pick in a different category from any

other kind of pick I do. So you're giving up one of those to get one player, and we all know that they have several holes on defense, they probably need as many players as possible. I hate that. I don't want it. And that's my whole point is like if Derek barn if Derek Barnett tumbles down the draft board, all right, and we're talking about something a little bit different there, who Like we just got you convinced you

like tack McKinley. That's fine. If he's there at twenty eight, I'm not giving up something to go get him, because that like you, that's they did that in twenty fourteen. Lawrence is the last right end on the board. He's the guy we get twenty Detroit at twenty one. Who else we got here Miami at twenty two. If this team giants to twenty three, this team needed in a right tackle. That was a number one need on this team. Okay,

you needed everything else. Talk to him, Dame. Then I think it makes a little bit more sense because his tackle classes. You know that four or five maybe guys in this track, you trade this being started, you trade up when losing that player is severely going to screw you. So so what I'm gathering from Dave is that the whole DeMarcus Lawds thing soured you on possibly moving up.

It sucked you lost the top fifty pick for a guy who's been Okay, I mean, he's not wrong, he's not wrong, and I think that I don't want that shouldn't stop you from making that kind of move again. You have to trust you. I agree with that. I agree with that you have to trust your evaluations. And if you think that, if you think it's McKinley, Harris, those guys better than what you've seen with Lawrence, then what the lord's coming out of Boise? Not really not you s gott in him up. Yeah, I mean, I

think they're in the same type of tier. You know. I don't think one's clearly better than the other. I don't think I had I don't think I had him in the first I had Harrison the second. Here, I don't think I had Lawrence in the first round. I had Lawrence at like twenty six overall something like that. Yeah, And I think he was right in that he went right where he was supposed to. I think so. Yeah.

And I think Harris he's right there. He's in that twenty five to thirty five range overall, you know, somewhere in there. So I think it's similar. Okay, how far back would you go? Well, maybe this will do this for another day. No, I don't know. I mean, I got I just I was just on Gbag and I mentioned this that if that's by the way, that's g Bag Nation is one five three. Dane's on that quite a bit. If the quarterbacks. If you're the Cowboys, you

want to see these quarterbacks come off the boat. Absolutely, better players are gonna fall to you. But on the flip side, if maybe these wide receivers too, I want on the flarterbacks to hang around. Yeah. If these quarterbacks hang around, then there's a few more. I say, Deshaun Kaiser, maybe one of the other ones. They only two go before you. Then all of a sudden, that twenty eighth pick it's up for sale. Yeah, and you look at at the top end of the second round. You have

Cleveland San Francisco. Oh sure ago, oh sums that might be interested in that quarterback of the future, and so they possibly could trade up, get that fifth year option, get ahead of New Orleans at thirty two, secure that quarterback of twenty eight. So, if you're the Cowboys, you're only moving back five six seven spots. Would you go back if Tack McKinley was on the board, Yes, yeah, I'm taking my chance that you know, a player like him in that similar tier is going to be available

five six seven spots later. Now I'm not talking moving in the mid second, you know, no, No, you're talking about Cleveland forty nine ers top half of round two. I don't want to go past them. I tried to move up four spots, and you guys are dying and now you want to dig all the way in the middle at the top of the second talking about giving up verse gaining pick, and I'm I'm with Dave with about the top one hundred picks and how valuable they are,

especially in this draft. Due those guys are started. If you do, you're scouting right. Those guys are started. So just for guys are cowards twenty eight, twenty eight, sixty and then not again till one, twenty nine or thirty six. Oh no, no, you have your own fourth so you have you have Oakland's pick, you have two fourth round picks, or I could have. I could start picking at like thirty six, and then you're gonna get a pretty good player at twenty four. I think you are You are

the different the difference. You might get a difference maker, but I think you can still get You might be right on the edge of the of the last player in the first round. It's like it's fair. Possibly. Yeah, it's like shooting with a shotgun, like you. I want as much spray pattern as possible I thought you guys are better than this. No, I'm a big coward. I want picks and I want to be smart. I think it's something you consider. You definitely can see. You don't

just you know, shove it off to the side. Start you consider, especially like a T. J. Watt to me, that's one guy that I think is going to be very popular. And yeah, edam be going to twenty one

to Detroit. I'm gonna make a prediction right here, is like by the time the draft rolls around, everybody's gonna be all whipped up into a fervor that this guy that like is a middle of the pack prospect is like we gotta trade Yeah, like all of a sudden, tjos he rewrote the book on how to rush the passer even though he's he's available at twenty five, But you gotta trade up and get Maybe maybe Trump needs to hire us as the whips serious. Maybe we need

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SWBC Mortgage studios. Brian brought Ustam Burglar David Hellman. The coward got a little worked up that segment, didn't you me or you? No? You no, I just I had fight. You were poking the bears, but you were you know what I appreciate to me And just to give folks an idea, that's the kind of stuff you see in a draft room. Yeah, that's what's going on right now

right there there there are guys. There are guys that are willing to fight for t J Watt, Tack, McKinley and just I mean, they're like, no, I Am not going to lose this one, you know, And then you and you know, and and that's what you have to weigh two going up, going back the other across the tables like what sucks and and you do. But you leave it in the room, you know, when you walk out of the room, you leave it in there. You

don't make it a personal deal. But there is some of the most passionate arguments I've ever seen that Randy Moss, when I keep talking about that one where Jim Garrett and those guys lined up against Chan Gaily and those coaches. I mean that was. That was I just wish it I could get that tape, but legendary stuff. The scouch just going, you know, Jim Garrett, I mean he was, he gave it to the coaches, and the coaches fired

back to their credit. And then you got the general manager with the glasses on the end of his nose looking at both parties, trying to make a make a call. And then Randy Moss and Randy Moss then goes on and came, here's great things on Thanksgiving and yeah, hup, whoops, whoops, that happens. It's a draft. Jim Garrett, congratulations j d him right, I've got can we not to push things along, but I've got it. I've got some pressing topics here on Twitter on the twenty Yeah I do. I'm sorry

about that. I was just kind of reminiscing, I know, Twitter, and it's actually Twitter on the thirty. But we'll go with it. This is I think this is great timing because this is what we're talking about, and you kind of have your your net of available prospects cast right now. Yeah, Freddie, Freddie's bringing us back to a guy that we've talked about a lot, but I think it's time to bring him back into the conversation. Freddie says, what's the deal

with Tim Williams? I knew that was coming. We know all of we know. We knew that, we know about the baggage, we know about the drug stuff, we know that he's a character risk. But Freddie's cutting right through the crap and he's like, how far by the way? How far is this guy actually gonna fall? What are we talking about here at this time two years ago? You know, we never consider Grandy Gregory following this, you know,

not elate second round with Tim Williams. I think we feel a lot better that he's going to slip, and it could possibly into the third. I think that's possible. It's tough because it's his issues are not just off the field, Nope, he has plenty of issues on the field. Yes, this is the player who you known career starts, he had not many two Yeah, I was gonna say five. Yeah, I knew it was single ditch. I just didn't want

to guess. Nick Saban knows a thing or two about playing football, and he put them in, takes it on the chin, every once. While doing that, he put him in position to succeed as a pass rusher, um, you know, a sub package guy. He averaged only twenty eight snaps per game as a senior. It's hard. It's when you watch him on tape, but it's some of the most productive twenty eight snaps you'll ever see. He can get

to the quarterbacks. So if that, if that translates to ten sacks a year for you, okay, then he's worth a you know, a top sixty pick. But then you also factor in the off field stuff, and it's just it's a hard conversation. Let me make a prediction here. Sounds like Friday night. Yeah, let me make a prediction something like Cincinnati too. I think that Mixing and Williams end up in Cincinnati somehow. And I'll tell you what, only a team who's they got? They got? They got

very few media that cover the team. I mean we got friends, they cover the team. They got really one guy that does dot com Butchie. Butchie's not gonna write anything negative about me. Yeah, and the Brown and the Brown family, they don't care. They lead the league. They lead the league and taking the the taking the questionable guy and don't even care. They don't They really don't think about that. We talked, we laughed yesterday about them

wanting to trade with them. They got a lot of picks. Yeah, and they're gonna stand there and just make every single one of them. And I guarantee you they're looking at mixing and they're looking they're thinking, whoa Tim Williams first round ability, first round ability, first round ability from what you've seen in Alabama games. Yes, okay, what are the Browns thinking? Brown? The Browns, I'm talking about the Browns

to own their family, the family. Yeah, they're sitting there thinking, huh, second round, we can get a first round player, don't have to pay and pay him second round money. Watch watch the Bengals here. Plus they don't have to Bengals. And the next thing that we'll talk about the front seven at the Bengals because of Tim Williams screaming off the edge. They don't even have to ask that much of him because they got done. Yea, it took that

linebacker perfect perfect. Yeah, everybody hated him because he was a bad guy, and he makes two hundred tackles a year. One of those guys, that's my prediction. You heard it here In the Draft Show, Brian gets extra salty when he talks about other teams getting bad people to be good players. Brian, because I'm the champion of the bad guy. I do, I love, I love Williams. I do, I love, I love. The Bengals are gonna come away on Day two with Tim Williams and Jim Mix. Oh yes, no

they're not. Yes, yes they will. No one team will do both of those. Ye can you really watch when it happens? When it just give give the old bald guy some credit when that one rolls, I'll beat you. Dinner in the eats, a pasta and Los Collinas. Okay, you're on? Okay, Where would you feel comfortable drafting Tim Williams twenty eight? You'd feel comfortable to take? Now? I mean you know, no, I think he's a first round player. It's not what I asked. Where would you feel comfortable

drafting him? Yeah, it sounds like from what y'all are saying, he's gonna be there at sixty. No, he is gonna be at sixty. Where is he on my board? They and to answer all the questions out there, the cow I just can't see the Cowboys doing that Himmer mixing, He's sixty nine overall on my board, him or Mixing, mixing, mixing. I hate even saying that, but okay, but I'm telling you the Bengals watch this, all right. Maybe I don't know.

I'm not sure they'd have a chance that both of them, because I think I think Mixing is going second round and I think good chance. We got multiple picks in the second round. Where would you draft some Nattics? True? Where would you all? Right? Where would you draft him? If you were the Cowboys? Would you mix? Would you take No? Oh? No, he's off. Those guys are off the board. No consideration here, They're not They're not there. You go, yeah, where right? Where do you feel come

from drafting? Actually, I take that back, I'm sorry, Uh, dodging your question is dodging? No, I'm not second round, mid second round, late second round through Williams, Tim william Yeah, absolutely, I have. I have a first round grade on the guy. But is that in considering the off field? That's just ability, that is just the absolutely ability. Where would you take him though your jobs on the line. Randy Gregory has top ten talent and he's played like eight games. So see,

that's the problem I have. But we hated. We not hate a bad word. We didn't like. I didn't have Gregory in the first round. I have. I have Williams in the first round. I think Williams is a better rusher than Gregory. If you just watch the tape and see if I'm in a room, if I'm over on those side of this building, and I say he's got first round talent, and then Will McClay would look at me and go, he's off the board. Brian, who's the next guy, Joe Mixon? I got first round grade on him,

Will Brian, he's off the board. You don't get to say anything until lunch. Every time I try to talk to Will about draft stuff, he shoots me down pretty quick. He'll do that. Yeah, he likes, he sees, he likes to make you. But I'm just saying, though, if you just look at the ability first round grade for mixing on ability, Yes, first round ability on Williams. Yes, at some point in the first round. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Neither will be here, No, neither one. Yeah, but you know what, dope, man, if he's at sixty, it's that that would be just that would be evil that the storyline writes itself, and then the Cowboys would draft a choir boy and people would compare it. The problem, the thing that might keep them from doing that, Well, he's they're probably both off the board. I'm just we're just specting right here. But what would probably keep them from doing that is they take a defensive end at twenty eight.

One of the reasons, Yeah, which I think they have a good chance to do. If you take a corner, you can't do it. Two years after taking Randy Gregory, you can't can It doesn't matter if he's on the board or not. You can. His name is Tim, right, Tim? Was that his name? Williams? No? No, Freddie, No, Freddie. I'm sorry. Good question, Freddie, Yeah, really good question, Freddie. You and I are drinking from the same bottle. Keegan wants to know why don't we hear more of hate

when I do that, don't you? I'm still waiting for an answer from you. Yeah, it's a fair point. Taking the twenty eight. He's off the board. I can't fight, ye would you take him? Doesn't matter the team he's on the board. Your job's on the line. Where are you betting on him if he's available at twenty eight, are you taking him regardless? Not this team, just any team, any team. I probably would at twenty eight. Yep, I got first round grade on him. Champion, champion of the

bad guys. Yeah, here why Keegan wants to know? Why don't we hear more about Caleb Brantley stay on task? Guys struggle with him because I've never seen a prospect be more outspoken about his lack of effort that he's given on the field. Never I've never seen. Hey credit to him for being honest answering questions honestly. But he's a good player though at the same time, he isn't flashes and that goes back to the effort thing. I mean, if you watch his flashes, you think, oh, this guy's

a first round pick. Yeah, you're watching the tape. In totality, it's something that, well, where was he on this snap? Was he was he on the field? Oh? Yeah, there he is. I mean he just he disappears. And so this is not a great defensive tackle class. Uh. You know, as good as last year was, this year is not good at all. And I think he's in consideration to be the first defensive tackle drafted. But when you consider the motor and the effort issues, that knocks him down.

That's a guy that doesn't play hard right well he is said, he said at the combine, he said it is pro day. He said, I'm good at this this and this. Only thing I need to work on is my effort. You know, some people say I don't play all the time every snap. I would agree with them. That's that's a quote from him. That's that doesn't scare you.

I don't know what does second best three technique in the draft behind Alan if you're if you're not considering Solomon Thomas there, it's yeah, I thinks in terms of an inside penetrator. Yeah, in terms of ability. Um, but I have like the Charlotte kid ranked over him, uh oh Ogan Joebi yep, because I have him around behind him, because I trust them more. Yeah, I've got a two on Ogan joby, I've got a two three on Brandon.

Let me ask you, this is the fact that you've been doing this for so many years now, got you tainted a little bit burned and what way that maybe you would be a little bit more aggressive on some guys. But but the fact that you felt like you've you fought for some guys and we've And I'm not just saying you sing scouts in general. I'm not just throwing you under the bus. It's both ways. I'm just saying that there's been so many guys that like a Williams.

You press me on Williams, and rightfully so, I said he had a first round grade. But do you get you get to the point where you're so beat down by it, and then we got to do this again next year and everybody reminds you what a jackass you were for. But I would argue that I'm maybe not for every guy, but for as many Randy Gregory's. There are guys who have these flags who where it pans out. I mean, Honey Badger. The Honey Badger is a great example.

And that's that's the thing, is tyrans scout. Yeah, you tried to pick up on Okay, Well, you're gonna make mistakes. That's we are. That's just that's miss day and age you are regardless, You're not gonna you know, it's like a hitter in baseball. If you hit, get a hit three times out of ten, you're you're awesome, you're an All Star, you're a three hundred hitter. And the same

thing with scouting. You're gonna miss on a lot of these guys for whatever reason, and it just it goes down to, okay, figuring out why you miss and so with these guys with the off field issues, trying to figure out, okay, well, what was it that we missed on that he was able to correct at the NFL level. It's tough. It's something that scouting. It doesn't matter if you've been doing this for fifty years, you should still learn and you know, trying to figure things out. So

it's year after year. You know, maybe I might feel better about some of these character guys a year from that, who knows. It's it's something that you try to learn you're you're from. I mean you try and every draft you try and be a little different. It's a shame though, that you bring Randy Gregory up. Yeah, but it's true. You know, people compare. That's what the draft. I mean, you go back and you look at these names and you're gonna argue, like hell for Tim Williams, and somebody's

gonna bring up Randy Gregory and you're gonna go. You know what, They're right, But you're fighting like hell for Tim Williams because you know he can help your football team, because there's a possibility that he will be like Tyron Matthew and come in and do everything you want him to do. He there's also a possibility he can kill your football team. Like you know, how much better would ranks? How much better would this pass rush be if Randy

Gregory you could stay in the facility. That's fair. We're not talking about defensive end and abound one. Yeah, we're talking about No, that's absolutely I wonder if they're going to have that decision. He's probably off the board. We'll figure it out by the time the draft rolls around three weeks from tonight. I'll have that figured out. Somebody will. We got time for one more, one more if we could kind of this goes back to the Christian McCaffrey

conversation from earlier. D Ritchie wants to know is there such a thing or what constitutes a luxury pick for this team? And he didn't specify, but I'll say in the first or second Dory Jackson, is that really a luxury pick? Though? If it's a need twenty eight and you do. He's not going to be there at sixty. No, but you, I mean, do you feel like though you what about a guy we talked about yesterday with Curtis Samuel, Curtis Samuel there, that's in my mind, the only I

could sinking of a guy really early. Yeah, Samuel has to be early too, Samuel have to be. He'd have to be in a tradeback scenario or if you ask somehow last sixty trade back scenario. I think you've got two guys, Dorry Jack excellent Samuel. If Samuel, in fact is I think he's on their board. The only position like him that I think I could truly consider a luxury pick our first of all quarterback, quarterback, running back. I think linebacker, Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, I think

linebacker probably like your boy Cunningham Vandy. That would be a total luxury like that pick. And I think it just depends who could fold to them. Yeah, you just they're surprises every every draft. You know, we talked about Ruben Foster yesterday. If he were to fall somehow, you know, how would that fit? Uh? You know, it could be a surprise. Name who knows. I want tack to fall. That's the one guy I want to fall. Is that really a fall though? Like I mean, yeah, because I

think he's the middle of the draft guy. I think he's a top fifteen to eighteen guy. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I think he's twenty two on my board or something like that. Right with the with the injury, Yeah, he could easily fall. He's not worth giving up pick ninety two four. Tell you that right now? Yeah, See he goes back to history. He doesn't want to go through that whole thing with Lawrence again on a okay player, I just want to have as many picks as possible

to try to fix the roster. That's really all I care about, and especially in again this draft that's so deep on day two, okay, real quick then before we hit break, is with the deep draft, we could talk about the top one hundred, both of you. Are we gonna see a lot of trades if you could get the same player at twenty eight that you could get at twenty one, right, are we gonna see people say, no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna do

an Oakland trade because I'll get the same player. You know, I'm gonna and Dane knows more than me. But I'm gonna go out on a lemon say I would bet not because again, do you think people are gonna move what? No, I think people are gonna stand pass and pick because what drives trades quarterbacks typically in this quarterback class sucks well. And I think teams are gonna be so reluctant to give up those Day two picks that you know, it might be a scenario where we see, you know, next

year's picks get traded. But I think teams are going to be very reluctant to give up this year's picks. And it's because of that. Yeah, I think, good chance we see lower numbers. I'm gonna throw something out there. I think the teams that have compensatory picks might be

the teams that move people. Yeah, move picks that extra you know, extra you know, and especially too, if you think about the Cowboys getting compensatory picks next year, maybe you're more willing to move a third round pick next year or a fourth round pick, thinking would you and you're talking the Cowboys would be giving up next year's picks to get back into this draft well to yeah, to get back in to get back into a spot, especially if you knew you were gonna get compensitories. Yeah, yeah,

that's fair. Yeah. Or maybe in that scenario which moving up to twenty four, you trade in next year's camp. Pick there you go. You know, I mean you don't know the number, but you know it could be you could probably could get a four, say or three. You give up twenty eight and a four that's not enough. No, I think it would have to be a third round camp, and that if you don't get that third round camp, it becomes yeah, whatever, you know, a fourth and a

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lanky guy who former wide receiver. He's only been a corner for a couple of years now, and so with that obviously comes technique issues, I discipline issues. So he's extremely raw. I don't think this is a player it's gonna help you in year one as a rookie, but in the later rounds and you're talking about taking a project, he could be a guy that's intriguing because of the straight line speed, because of the size, a very tall, long corner. So at the right value, I think he

does make some sense. Yeah, I think the thing and you could see it with Dane's talking about a little bit about his lack of knowledge when it comes to playing, you know, as a secondary. I felt like though that he needs to do a better job of finding the football. That was one of the things you see him give up plays, and that's and that to me, Dane's absolutely right. He's not probably gonna help you in the first year. He's gonna have to learn. Somebody's in the NFL is

gonna have to coach him up. He's probably gonna be in a guy it's being inactive every single week unless he could find a special team's role. But he's gonna have to learn how to play. He's got the physical ability to play. I just don't think he has the understanding because I say, you see some big plays when he's in coverage, and that's a that's just a lot of it has to be with the recognition and then experience. Day three. Uh yeah, I gave the fifth sixth round

right great on. I mean, he's sixty three thirty four inch arms, which is just crazy for a corner six three corner from the Pac twelve who used to play receiver and is projected in the fifth round. Yeah, there you go. Maybe a former Stanford I'm on board the next the fifth round board. Tell me more about I hope I get this right. If yati O a Nigbo defensive end from Northwestern, yeah he good. Nice job with that, I got it. Yeah, awesome, you're the champ with those names.

By the way, get ready to draft night. Yeah. One of the highest recruits ever at Northwestern, and I think that kind of got to him because he wasn't a productive guy from day one. He's one of the better interviews talking to him. He's a very bright guy. I mean, what you would expect for a Northwestern kid, very enjoys kind of talking about the game. As a senior, you started to see it come together a little bit more, which was I think that's why he's going to get drafted.

What he did as a senior. You saw the light bulb start to illuminate more and more. But this is a guy who I think the expectations of being a top recruit at Northwestern really overwhelmed him his first few seasons. But I do think there is some upside there. Yeah. I do think that he can get better and be a guy who contributes down the line. For you. You play a little bit with him at the left and right in so it's not just a writing guy. Initially I saw him on tape, he was just a writing guy.

And then you'd start watching some more of the games. You know, we've known, we've seen a lot of these big ten tackles, especially when he was up against a ram check, you know in Wisconsin, you can kind of tell that it was. Now, this is a really strong kid. I think he's I like the way he tries to extend. I like the way he plays his hands. I just don't think he can capture the corner well enough right now.

And there were times too where, even though with all that strength when he'd rush up the field, you'd see guys push him too far up the field and he just didn't have the ability to get back. His best move is when he can spin and try and get back inside. He was close a lot, but never really finished. But the people will like the measurables, they'll like the smarts, they'll like the effort. I just don't see a guy

that completely finishes as a defensive end. I initially thought maybe he would be a guy that you want to kick inside and let him play as a three. But you know that's what he's gonna be. Sixty pounds. He's gonna have to be. That's once I went away once that. You're right that that part of me said, no, he can't do that, because I felt like, if you could put him at the quarterback, he could maybe be quick enough because you see it initial quickness, you see him

getting up the field. But then if you put him by the quarterback, maybe he can make a capture there. But having to go a long way, make that travel, it's it's a little bit more difficult. His rush tends to stall out because once it does, he doesn't really have a calendar or you know, a plan to that point. And that's something I think there is some untapped potential there. He can't get better, right, But I gave him a six seventh round grade. Yeah he was. That's exactly where

I had him. The Beast has six seventh round grade. For anybody listening, everything Dane's saying you can get in his book, Like not that we don't want to hear it from Dane Ball. Oh absolutely, this thing is incredible. Tell me more about the shoplifter Arkansas tight end Jeremy Sprinkles below Belk Bowl right, Belk Bowl Charlotte one of the most perplexing. That's the weirdest thing ever. Yeah, it's I mean, and he was given a four hundred and

fifty dollars gift car. Yeah, they're they're they're saying, here, go ahead and shop for yourself, but by whatever you want, buy whatever you want with his card, and then you can walk out with it and playing the game. You still tempted to just I don't know, bizarre. And well, we'll see if that impacts his draft grade at all, because he's a pretty good player. Yeah, I could argue he's one of the better all around tight ends in this class because of his ability as a blocker and

as a pass catcher. You know, I don't you compare him last year with Hunter Henry, and Hunter Henry was the better pass catcher, more athletic, more athletic, better hands, right, But I don't think it's a huge gap there. I mean, Jerry Sprinkle's capable pass catcher. Plus he's a much better blocker than Hunter Henry. Right, absolutely, So you know, in the fourth round, you know this is we talked about

this tight end class, how deep it is. He's one of the reasons why you know in that after the first first few waves, the tight ends come off the board. You know, the big names that we've talked about, Jeremy Sprinkle early day three could end up being a nice value pick. Yeah, see this this thing. He's absolutely right. Hunter Henry's a downfield player. This guy could get down field, but he lumbers a little bit. But I'll tell you something.

And Dane's right about him as well. He's an inline player. You could see him. You know, if you're looking for the inline blocker. We've talked about our kid from Ashland that being an inline player. Sprinkle is an inline guy. You could put him at the point of attack. Now, he's not gonna get great movement, but he is a big body. He'll extend and he kind of positions himself.

He's not gonna just snap somebody off the line of scrimmage, but he's gonna jump inside, he's gonna cut him off, ball goes to the outside, he's gonna hook his man. Those are the kinds of things that he can do. He could tie his guy up and you'll see him make some incredible plays down the field. I mean we're about Hunter Henry downfield. This guy can like in the Florida game, like a one handed catch ball goes too far, he like basically tips it back to himself along the sidelines.

So yeah, somebody will take an opportunity. There's a lot of good tight ends. But I do worry about the the lack of athletic ability with this guy, because a lumbering players. Yeah, that's that's what I want. I like I talked about in Joku, like this team doesn't need the why freakish athlete guy that they're not going to use him, right, Just give me the they need. They need that kid they got from Baylor to step up.

Give me the blocker guy. Yeah. And as a blocker, out of my top seventeen tight ends, Sprinkle has the second longest arms. Yeah, of these this group, but thirty four and a half inch arms, And that shows as a blocker, he's he might not be an overwhelming guy, but he's he could be a sustained guy. That's what he does. He will quickly hop inside and sit there on a guy and hold and hold it holding the ball goes and then he kind of loses his block. But that's what he does. This and this is we're

getting away from Jeremy Sprinkle. But just in general, this tight end class is so deep that it tight ends are big wide receivers will but I think you have both though, and but there's plenty of guys that you can draft to play tight end asolutely on Day three. Like the safety class, it makes me want to stay far day the hell away from oj Howard and David and joku um. All right, tell me more about Jordan Morgan, who is a guard from a school that I've never

heard of. Cuts down, cuts town. Andre Andre Reid. That's okay, Brian told me that this morning. I'm sorry, I didn't know where Andre Reid went to college. Uh they named the field after him, actually, Uh, Andre Andre Reid Field there he puts down on PA. Uh. He's fascinating, And I do you like him? With a Senior Bowl? You know what? I noticed him more on tape than I

did the Senior Bowl. Right when I went back and watched him, I was really really impressed with his ability for his hands and his feet to work together as a left tackle. As a left tackle, I didn't think I was kind of I was thinking, Okay, I'm gonna see a narrow, thin not very athletic guy. This guy has. Now, the one problem he'll have is that he'll get a little top heavy on you and as he's carrying a guy wide. But when you talk about initial punch, it

kind of snapped the guy back. And then he's in position as set. I mean, his his past set is really good. And you watch him down ball, I get balanced, and you watch him down block. Okay, we're playing lawyers and doctors and Dennists and all that. I get it. But he's taking those lawyers and doctors and Dennist and knocking him off the screen. I mean, he's got some power to him. He does, and I'm interested to see

because he's such an athlete. With the way he redirects, you project him as a guard guard in the book. See that that's he could be a guy with the punch, the athletic ability, somebody with an athletic front that like zone blocks, second level blocks. This kid might have an opportunity to be there. Yeah, I agree. And where'd you grade him? I put him in the fifth. I'm in

the fourth. Yeah, I think we both the early day three right, And he's fascinating because he didn't play football until the senior year in high school and he only did it because he needed a sport requirement to graduate. Yeah, and so he went out for football, amazing, and it

didn't even have football in his high school. Had to go to another high school to play football, and uh, you know, he received a few looks and Cutstown Division two gave him a walk on opportunity, right, and he goes there red shirts, and then he earns a left tackle job and he starts the next four years at left He already three starts. I left. Yeah, he's he's fun to watch. I was expecting kind of, but it was like I was like, whoa, I watched Yeah, after

that exactly because at the senior ball he was underwhelming. Yeah, he was very underwhelming of this senior. But but then then you worry about the going up there. Kent's like, hey, it's gotta go do something. Played off the stage real quickly. This just makes me. We gotta get that fifth round pick back. Oh, I've got I got some teams. I told you that. Some teams that got Day three looks

very deep. Arizona, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Green Bay, Kansas City, Miami, New England, and San Francisco all holding extra fifth round pick. We gotta get that fifth next show. That's what we're doing. I'm getting a fifth pick, fifth round pick back. I'm gonna draw you guys off sides again. Bring it. I'm gonna go just one spot lower the next time. I want to thank everybody out there. Want to thank Dane Brugler, frall Is football knowledge in the Draft. I want to

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