Draft Show: 2019 Senior Bowl Wrap & Review

scouting friend again, Dame Brugler and David Hellman. Gentleman, welcome back side, to be back side, to have my tape machine back so I can watch some tape. You know, is it I kind of missed that when I go away for a week. It was a good trip. Get tired of roughing it in the Candlewood Sweets. Yeah, I love the Candlewood Sweets, though, I do. We did some We did some fine work at the Candlewood Sweets. There's

a lot to learn, a lot to learn. You have one main takeaway from the trip to Mobile this year. You know what, The roster was really good. Yeah, I like the roster you know, I think that Jim Naggi

has done a fine job. I really really do. And you know, the majority of these players in this draft is going to be junior heavy kind of you know, guys, but I felt like you saw some of the best senior players in the country playing at this place, no question, and this year, just whatever reason, we saw a fewer dropouts that we usually do. And Josh Allen from Kentucky he pulled out, but being a projected top five, top seven pick, not a big surprise. Some other guys didn't

wear no shows. But for the most part, this is the best collection of talent overall that we've seen the Senior Bowl in number of years. Absolutely, And yeah, that's the great thing about love going down there. I love a value waiting that so and I want to get into that too. I want to put a bow on that. Yes, because I know you and I well, we've all talked about this. You know, you had some ideas going in

about this, some things to look for. I want to see if some of these questions got answered about these players, you know exactly, because again, this is this whole thing, and again we don't discriminate here. You know, this is Yeah. We might be a Dallas Cowboy based prodcast here, but we talk about players, you know, and I want to make sure we give all of them. I want to make sure we talk about all the players. You know.

I'm not interested. I mean, I'm yeah, I'm interested what the Cowboys gonna do, but I'm also interested what the Buccaneers are gonna do. And you'll find that out. You carry along with us and we get to the draft those three days. Nobody covers the NFL Draft better than us. I'm just mayok's not even gonna be doing it this year, so we're definitely Yeah. So that's you know, I mean, better than myself on the back here. But you stay along with us, folks, and you guys have been with us,

understand that. And the new ones we welcome you again if you're a Falcons fan, Buccaneers fan, Chargers fan, whatever. Hey, we don't discriminate here because we're gonna talk about players, and we're gonna talk about players a lot, and I'm excited about that as always. Uh Kent Garrison is executive producing this fine program. Today we are again presented by Miller Lite uh you know again in the SBbc Mortgage Studios.

You can get a hold of us. Maybe at the second half of the show, we'll take us some calls. Maybe you know, I want to get into some positions. Maybe maybe you know, if you call and Kent feels like he needs to put you on, who gets you through? Please be nice to Kent. But you know, I want to get into the second half some some some positions. There's some deep positions here, and I want to get in some names on their first round names. I'm gonna talk about first round names. You know. I'm gonna talk

about all these players. I want to do it. But at first, Dane, I want you to go through. You had some questions about this, and let's see if we got some of our Senior Bowl questions answered as we made our week at Mobile. Yeah, and I think some of the key storylines, key subjects that we were talking about going into the week. Yeah, let's review them, see what we learned. Maybe some questions unanswered, some questions answered.

Let's start with Washington States. Andre Dillard, Okay, offensive tackle. I thought he was the top offensive lineman at the Senior Ball the Senior bol senior offensive lineman. Did he live up to that? Does he leave the week still as a top offensive lineman among the seniors. Any strong opinion on that, Brian, Yeah, I do have an opinion because I felt I felt like that watching Dalton Risinger play, I kind of felt like he was one of my top guys. Okay, I really did. Yeah, as a tackle,

I really liked him. I'll see you. Another guy that impressed me boys is Eric McCoy, the center from Texas a and asolutely. You know, I didn't expect Eric McCoy. I wasn't going into thinking, oh, hey, I'm gonna see a center here. I saw a guy that got some push. I saw a guy that could play second level. I saw a guy that didn't get knocked around. You know, I was impressed with him. You know, Chris Lindstrom was a guy too that I looked at Boston College. I

kind of had a good opinion about him. But you know what, though, there was times where he didn't show me enough. So there were guys I was going in thinking that, Okay, this is gonna be my guy, and then lo and behold two three other guys show up that felt like played a little bit better you know with this group? Did did it? Did it? Appear to you, Dave did anything? Did Needy's offensive lineman the kid from USC stood out too? Yeah? You you just could I kill you on one. I was going to ask you

a question and I think you just answered it. Yeah, because it from my perspective, is there a higher riser than Risener? Like he's a guy I wasn't hearing a lot about, which, granted there might be some talk about him playing another position, and I honestly I still like him at a better position or a death position. Yeah, believe it's a center. Yeah, I see him as a center. He played center's entire life and then until a sophomore year at Kansas State and they moved outside the right tackle. Yeah,

you know, and he doesn't. He looks like a center just you know, he's got the barrel chest, he's got uh you know, just looking at him as he has the look of a center. But he held his own at I mean, yeah, yeah, I still, if I'm projecting him forward long term, I like him best inside. Um, I dre are some NFL teams that will disagree. They're gonna keep my tackle until he right tackle probably yeah. Yeah,

he's never played left tackle. Yeah, of course, Yeah, you know, I think right tackles probably where he's how much did he help is stuck last week? I think he because he went into the week as a kind of divisive player, because some people really like him. See, people were kind of questioning him. I think he swayed some of the doubters, um, and so I think he went from a you know, possible late second, early third to a you know, early second. Maybe he gets in the first round. Yeah, I think

that's certainly possible. I loved like everything I saw from him in a non football aspect. I loved too like enthusiastic guy. He chased down John Elway to like you know, basically fanboy, and and he's got like a mean streak. Yeah. I was impressed with him. But then the reason I say you answered my question is obviously everybody's talking about the USC kid coming out of that. Yeah. The footwork

was incredible for that kid, easy foot quickness. Yeah, and you know, thinking about the USC offense this year, it was a lackluster performance by that offense, and the offensive

line was a big part of that. Right, And so kind of removing him from that bad situation with the Trojans, right and getting a chance to go, you know, because offensive line play it's a unit, you know, it's not it's hard to really remove him until you get to a senior bowl setting and he's going doing one on ones against pass rushers and no one's beating him around the end. No, no, nobody could get around yet, and

no one's bullying him, nobody, exactly. He's got the core strength, he used his hands well, he's got length, the foot quickness is easy. He moves so well though. Yeah, that's he just relaxed. He never looked like he was pressured or frazzled by the way he was when they were one on one pass rushing him. And he's not he's not even sixty four, he's sixty three and three quarters. Yeah, but he's got thirty five in charms. Yeah, and he

can keep him off him though, exactly. So I think when we going back to the original question, yeah, Andre Dillard, I think people caught up to him. Okay, if that's what you want to say, Yeah, if you want to say, I'll say that. I think I think that Dillard. I don't think Dillard was terrible, but I saw other guys that I'm thinking, Okay, well, I need to I need to catch up with this guy. I need to catch

up with this guy. Okay, well yeah, if you had to say your top three senior offensive linemen right now, where does Dillard fall on the top three? Is Riisener ahead of him? Right? I got Riisener ahead of him right now? Now I do as a tackle as a tackle okay, yeah I do. I still lean Dillard, Um, but you know I I think Riisener helped himself, no question, um. Garrett Bradbury, Yeah, from NC State. Yeah, that we both

really like. I'll tell you what now, Bradbury, I watched him on tape this morning, and I I'll tell you what though, tight end, there's there's some there's some traits there where you're going this guy. I mean, some of these centers have been selected in late in the late well middle of the late one. I think he's just as good. You know who was the kid I was talking about last year that I brought up to you in the in the pre show meeting there, James Daniels,

James Samuels Otowa. Yeah, yeah, guys snatching three techniques. He went second level block or early second round of the Bears. Yeah, that's what I'm saying that this year I had a first round grade on him. Though. That's that's good. I'm talking about the athletic ability with that. We thought he could go as early as the teens. Yeah, talked about him as a possibility at nineteen, right, exactly. Yeah, And so I think, you know, with Bradbury, he's not gonna

be a fit for everybody more. I think more of his own blocking scheme. Good athlete's ridiculous athlete again, four second level, cutting people in half. You know what's funny because he always wanted to play tight end. You know, he kind of pushed away the thought of moving the offensive line. He finally moves the offensive line, and he kind of once he embraced the position, he really came into his own. And he's the top center this year. And you know, I think he's a top fifty draft pick.

So Dillard, Bradbury, Reisner, maybe those are the top three senior offen cycles for me. But Chuma Adoga definitely Adoga. Yeah, keep an eye on him. He would have probably been a good uh, he'd have been a good tell me more guy. Yeah, I know we'll get that going out to the combine. Future kids trying to decide whether or not to go to the Senior Bolt. Look at a guy like Adoga, the way he can help himself, and yeah, you know he's gonna he made some money based on

what he did in Mobile. What are the questions you got there? Uh? Small school guys, you know, non FBS players. I going back to the fall, my top three small school guys were and see her Adderly won Delaware safety. Yeah, I thought that nothing changed there. Titus Howard attacked from Alabama store he played well, good feet, Yeah, another former tight end, absolutely m and then third was Kaylin Saunders from Western Illinois. And to me, yeah, to me, those

top three didn't change. Those are the top three small school guys. A couple of the guys stood out for me, but the top three for me, Uh, has not changed. Do you agree with the top three? Yeah? The guy I think ad I you know, we're looking at Utterly as first round pick. I have him, I think in the twenties on my board, so I think he certainly could go. This goes which I trust your evaluations completely.

This goes back to the point I made last week, is like, when you're talking purely Senior Bowl guys, recency bias. I guess you know, you're like, well, this is the best guy at the Senior Bowl. He's probably a first round pick, and that's not always true. So I'm always trying to judge, like I'm interested to see how he stacks up. Once you start looking at the bigger picture, the question is is he the where's he stack with the safeties? Because to me, he's the top safety this year.

And yeah, I'm gonna be beating with Yante Thompson from Alabama, Taylor rat from Washington. Where does he fit? I don't think there's gonna be consensus. I think he'll be the top safety for some teams. Other teams might prefer one of those other guys. The fact that people were he could play in the slot. The interception he got in that game was playing in the slot. Yeah, you know. And he has some trouble at times during one on ones with some of the receiver. Penny Hart got him

a couple of times. He got a lot of pigs though, exactly. And it's talk about small school guy and say he had a nice week. Yeah, Penny penny Hart. You know scouts, No penny Hart, you know penny Hart. Guys like me coming to the party right now are learning about Penny Hart. He I think he played better than most expected too. Though.

Um you know he's a guy that he splashes a freshman at Georgia State and then you know he he looked okay the past few years, but you know, he really made his presence known with what he did this past week in Mobile. Another wide receiver, Keelan Doss from UC Davis, a guy who he's not gonna run really well or not gonna run exceptional, but he's such a polish route runner. He just has like a keen understanding

of how to uncover. You know, he knows how, he knows how to play get wide receivers, get their hips turned, get them leaning, and he gives a target to his quarterback. And he's got strong, sticky hands. So I think Keelan Doss is a guy who at the combine probably not gonna show out, but what he did at the Senior Bull is going to help him. You wouldn't, I mean, the old Dominion kids doing anything for you at all.

I like I think the wide receiver Fulham, Yeah, I think he's he's got an interesting story because he he didn't play football untiling his junior year in high school. He's a basketball guy. He's just coming into his own. He's an ascending player. Yeah, I was just kind of like you said, I Doss was really interesting me. We've talked a bunch about Andy Isabella though, you know, you mask, you don't really have to go that route on that. I mean about Okay, we part him the say he

got hurt. Yeah, he got hurt, so we couldn't see him play in the in the actual uh game itself. Okay, what other questions you have this? Well it kind of transitions to who was the top wide receiver in mobile? Uh, you know, talking about Andy Isabella, deebo see Hill kind of stole the top spot. He stole the practices, for sure, he did. They and they tried to target him in the game, and they couldn't get him the ball. Yeah,

they couldn't get him the ball one catch for fifteen years. Yeah, and it really it wasn't a lack of trying there, I mean, but they they tried to target the guy that The guy that showed up was Hunter Renfro shocking. Hunter Ripro showed up India Sabella showed up. Mom hands, Yeah, Mom hands Dane sounds exasperated. He's like, yeah, I know, No, Well, it's just he's a guy that you're gonna count out, and you know, but he's gonna be a Day three

draft pick. And we're talking about right Clemson. Yeah, but Debo is gonna be a Day two draft pick. And he slapped everything. Okay, let me ask you this day, slapping guys up and down the field all weeks. If Dane told you could get him at fifty eight, are you considering that. I'm not considering anything. I'm doing it. I'm there, Okay, podium, Okay, yes, you're gonna do that. You're gonna go receiver at fifty eight. I'm gonna apologize, obviously,

and this will change. We don't know what free agency holds for the Cowboys. Obesley might be back on this team, in which case I'm not drafting receiver at fifty eight. But if you had to go draft a receiver fifty eight, going to beat that drum until I can't do it anymore. Like that's just I've decided to do it. That might be a journey that I take on my own. And that's okay. This guy's a hell of a football player. But I went back and watched the South Carolina tape.

He plays with a lot of guts and he can play. He does, he does. I mean it's raining and he's can't. I mean he's you know, they're throwing the ball. He threw a touchdown pass. And the Georgia game, he's going up against Baker, he's running routes against him. Good competition. He can play big like he can do the back shoulder stuff. Oh yeah, play out like a running back. He's five eleven and a half two hundred and sixteen pounds, so he's built like a running back. Really thick, physical

hum and he also returned man. Yeah, I think he has tied the SEC record with four returns over his career for touchdowns. So versatile can help you in a lot of ways. And really good as a yak. So he could replace He could replace your slot receiver and your punt return. Absolutely about Austin, yeah, absolutely, nowhere near is fast, don't care. Yes, good looking physically too, yeah, you know he didn't look slight and small and all that. So he's he's a good looking kid. I go and

I got I can't you know. I come at it from the fans perspective. Y'all are the analysts. I Dane Is, I go in stages of having like draft crushes, like you know, uh it was Lakwan Treadwell at this time three years ago. We're in that albatross, aren't you. Of course? Yeah, I mean you're not always gonna be right. Oh, I'm I got a lot of him around my nick. But and in January of twenty nineteen, Debo's my guy. I'm sure I'll have another guy a month from now, but

I really like Debo. DJ Moore had a pretty decent rookie season, That's all I'm saying. So about the Sills. Yeah, West Virginia, I'm telling you this is this is this year's Cooper Cup. M M. You know, and I and Hey, I'm not doing this because of white wide receiver to white wide receiver. I'm not doing that. I'm just talking about a guy that can separate, a guy that can go get the football. You say it, back shoulder catch. He made that game the other day. Yeah, he and

the side the extent sideline catch. You guys are getting on me about this cat. I'm just telling you this guy's who's getting on you about him. Dane gives me that little apparently talking no, no, Dane. I've been with Dane long enough to know when he gives me that look. Scouts give looks like that to each other all the time, like, are you kidding? He's being polite. It's fine. No, he could be mean. I don't know. We just do you like him on more than I do I with Sills.

I think he needs I worry about the play strength. I think he gets out muscled a lot, and I think that's gonna really he catches everything thrown in his direction. He for a former quarterback he is does a really nice job judging the football and finishing he does, no question. I just he made that quarterback there at West Virginia. Throwing him the ball, he helped him, no question. I think he I'm not even sure he's the best West Virginia wide receiver in this Oh, I don't know Gary

Jennings at a heck of a week. Yeah, in mobile, I like Gary Jennings a lot. Why didn't I notice Gary Jennings more? Then? Maybe I wasn't scouting well enough. Right number twelve, there's two hundred saw he caught a nice I did he did catch a nice in the game though they found him though on a he ran right through I mean right through the coverage to get and to snatch a ball. The difference between from me between and like a Cooper Cup is the route running.

And I'm not doing it again because I know the skin color. I'm just saying the type of player he is. I just for everybody loses their mind out there, Stills as a route runner just needs a lot of work for me, and I just I don't know. I finished though Dane to finish, he he does a nice think you don't think you don't think I like him. You don't think he could escape in the NFL. I like him, I just don't like I don't see him as the top one hundred pick, okay, which Cooper Cup absolutely was. Yes,

Cooper Cup's a really good player too. Yeah, not too bad. I just talking about Finnish catch the ball he does to ye he does. Dane's tell me body size and all that stuff like that. One more question for me, man, All right, Well we got to talk about the quarterbacks. Uh. You know, I thought the heavyweight match was Drew Lock Daniel Jones, who would look better? And I don't think

either really looked great. It was nervous about that one. Well, it's just it's the process of figuring out these quarterbacks is you know, last year, I think we had a good feel. You know, we love Darnold, we love Baker. Uh, you know, some questions about Alan's quite about Lamar Jackson, but you know we had a good feel for those guys. I thought pretty early in the process, or you know, at least by March. I think it's going to take the entire process to figure these guys out fully. Uh,

trying to be optimistic about him, I'm not. I'm not here for that. I'm gonna ask you a question that you hate. He's not here for that. I like that. They're gonna hate it. You're gonna hate this question, and I'm gonn That's why I'm gonna ask it. If you need to wait real quick, you need a quarterback. You're nervous in this thing, You've better be. Yeah, that's my point. Absolutely. Oh So that whole thing about training Dak for the

for ten, well, no, are gonna bring that up. We don't do we want to do that today because for an hour, Oh no, that's an hour show that that's an hour show. We let somewhere Stephen Thomas is I'm really smiling. Brought us and I had a fascinating conversation yesterday. Oh he's in on it because I called him up on the way home last night. We're talking about it. We don't we don't need to do that right now.

Might you tease it for one day? But it is a fascinating conversation to be had about what's the best way to win in the NFL? Right, cheap quarterback? Cheap quarterback? How do you know is there a team that has the guts to recognize the team that the owner is the general man not pay the quarterback, which, like that sounds terrible. I am a big Dak Prescott fan. I'm

all in favor of the Cowboys paying him. Right there is an argument to be made you if you trust yourself to find another one, if you got Dame Burglers in your room, then you could sustain success over a long period of time by not paying a quarterback. Which goes back to my question again, we can we can go into full that'd be a full another show for

that one. But how many quarterbacks in this draft class would you feel comfortable drafting in the top ten one one, and I don't even honestly, I don't even feel great about that. You don't feel great about Haskins. I like Haskins, I don't love him. I'm great, Okay, great, might be it's stretched, but I feel relatively confident that he's gonna be a good player based on basically nothing. But I just one quarterback, only one, and I don't even feel

great about that. I don't. I mean, I like Dayne Haskins, but he ain't making that trade? All right? Well, and do you really like nothing? No offense against this group, but do you trust them to pick a quarterback at ten? Overall? If I was picking in that room, you shouldn't trust me. I mean this for sure. This team tried to draft Packston, Lynch and Connor Cook before they fell into Dak Prescott. Although I will say, oh yeah, that is a good point.

They tried everything possible to not draft Dak the true but then they fired the guy they helped draft him. Their track record in the first round is really good, Like, how do you weigh that out? I mean, because I have a quarterbacks a different animal exactly. You have to remove quarterback from the conversation. And if there's a quarterback

it's available at ten, there's probably a reason he's there. Well, so if you're a team at six, all right, if you're a team that needs quarterback, okay, let's do any team you're You're not, if you're any team, you're Jacksonville, You're not. You're just gonna You're just not gonna. You're gonna draft one of these guys. No, there's a good chance the Giants pass. No, there's a good chance the Jaguars go with the Folds or Flacco off, like, and

it's already made. It's frustrating because I want the answer now. Yeah, but like this is all going to change in two months, Like somebody that needs a quarterback right now won't need one in mid March. I'm working on I have a mock coming out on Monday day after the super Bowl, and I don't I don't do with these quarterbacks. Yeah, you know, Kyler Murray is the ultimate wild card. Daniel

Jones received a first round grade from the Advisory Committee. Yeah, Drew Locke, I've heard a lot of positive reports from scouts. They're optimistic about him. And then you have Dwayne Haskins. So four quarterbacks. Good chance they'll go first round. Yeah, but you're not feeling great about is it's I'm sorry, and I have I have barely seen any of these guys other than, like you know, I watched a lot of Ohio State football in the fall, and I was at the Senior Bowl, so I saw Jones and Lock.

But like, no way not for quarterback desperation does not take a year off. It doesn't. But that's the that's the point. It's like, yeah, I need to take it. I need to take a little way off here, but I gotta go to break real quick. I know we need to go to break. But keep that in mind because the quarterback class next year looks real, real good. Yeah, always does, always, especially da quarterback. All right, when we come back, we're gonna take your questions. My favorite segment,

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we're going to go here. But Clark wants to know Clark, who do we Clark? You serious? Clark? Serious? Clark? Who do we think will be the biggest reach in this draft? Yeah, we're just getting into the meat of it in January. I think it starts with it. I mean a quarterbacks quarterbacks, Um, I don't know Kyler Murray goes number one overall. I mean there's a ground swell of opinion that Kyler Murray's if he goes to the the Raiders at four Z that

a reach. I think so, but you know he's he's a true wild card because I mean, am I crazy? If I'd rather like I think I'd rather take a chance that Kyler Murray is not a reach than one of these Senior Bowl guys. I get it, Like you're going with the going with the higher upside. I know it is such a mistake to associate a program with a player. I get that, I understand, But like, all I can think about is Blaine Gabbert. That's all I can think of. You guys are gonna Dane. You're not

gonna like me for this. But I think that Florida defensive end Polite White, if some he takes him in the first round, I think he's got heartbreaker written all over him. But I might get in trouble for saying that. No, I mean no, I mean I might get in troubled that he might. He might turn out to be Joey Bosa. I don't think you'd be Bosa. But you never said Joey Bosa was gonna be a heartbreaker. I never said had him as a top ten player on my thing. Like I hated the guy, I wouldn't be shocked if

Polite is the player we're talking about. Yeah, Florida, if he had double digit saxes rookie year. Oh see, this is this is the fun thing, that this is the fun side of scouting when you have one guy that kind of I have. I have a second round grade on him, and you've got him in your top twelve, right, fifteen, Yeah, something like that. Okay, that's what I'm saying. I just it's got to be a quarterback, because I think we

went about Oliver Oliver, the defensive tackle from Houston. Yeah, I mean, I think you can justify in the top ten. I mean, but people are gonna compare him. Did you see Lance Zeroline talking about moving him to linebacker? Yeah, and it's not great like people keep an open mind with No, He's always keep an open mind. Was scouting always. I was not bringing it up to suggest that it's crazy.

I thought it was interesting. Yeah, exactly, And I think it's scouts are kind of they don't know what to do with that Oliver because he's when they went through Houston in October, he was two hundred and seventy four pounds. Yeah, and looking at his body type, they really question can he hold to eighty comfortably? Yea? And so is he a true interior player in the NFL? Can he? Mean, it's a big jump facing AC offensive lines compared to

NFL offensive lines or would he be better. I mean, I think he can do it, but is he better suited trying to drop some weight and playing in a different position. I don't think he's an end because I don't think he does in the length. When long arm blockers get into him, he struggles, So I don't think

he's a defensive end. I'm keeping him as close to the ball as possible, but I understand those are keeping an open mind about maybe moving around a little bit, so I look, I get it people they had Oliver discussion debate. It's gonna get tired after a little bit. But I think he's a good football player who I'm just keeping as close to the ball as possible. And

I understand the concerns. He's not Aaron Donald. It's an injustice to for him because people are gonna expect Aaron Donald like production and performance and that's just not who he is. You never got to scout le Roy Glover, did you? That was before my time? That was that was me, that was my era, my guy. Yeah, Leroy Glover though, is he a Pro Bowl player? He was at for three years in a row. Here, Yeah, you think that's at Oliver? You know what in the way

you describe at all. And I've seen the player. I mean, he reminds me he's got some traits like the change of direction, you know, the ability to chase the feed blocker right off the snap. Those are the things le Roy Glover was able to do. Roy Glover, though, wasn't a top ten pick. Well that's but but you know he played, he played. He was a like a three technique undertackle that Bill Parcels put it nose. He made the Pro Bowls and nose as usual at this time

of year. I've seen him slotted everywhere between like fifth overall and the back end of the first round. So see, that's what I'm saying. That might rounder. Yeah, San Diego State. No. And I think you know I was talking. I was doing Um Brown's radio this morning and talking about options at seventeen thousand radio shows you do today, I try to cut down. I gotta get some work done at seventeen.

I mentioned at Oliver's a real possibility, and they're, what, No, he's a top ten He easily be there at seventeen. And if he is, he'd be that'd be not a bit fit for them up more. Okay, is he the polarizing player on defense. Is he the one that's gonna be if we have if we have the quarterback, the Oklahoma quarterback Kyler Murray as the offensive guy, who is who's the defensive guy. I don't know. You just you think polite is a bust and he thinks he's a rookie of the Year. I didn't call m a bus.

I said, I thought he was like a second round guy. Yeah, I mean I think he's in that man. I mean, I think Dexter Lawrence. Dexter Lawrence another one. People are gonna be all over the map on him. I haven't a second round grade on him. Yeah, well I do too, So he might end up like one of those Washington guys. You know, the Redskins strapped those Alabama kids and nexting you know they're like playing going to test well. So no,

I think this this draft. We don't say this every year, but I mean this draft, more than other drafts, I think, is more wide variants of opinions on a lot of it. You know, there's no clear cut he's the top this or you know he's not. He's the top pastro or I think Nick Boss top pass rusher. But he's the top tackle, he's the top wide receiver, he's the top tight end. There's a lot of different opinions, you know, Noah Fan, t J. Hawkinson, Which one do you prefer? So,

I think there's a lot. Who's the top linebackers? It Devin White, which, okay, you're given me, you're given me in a segue here, which trying we're trying to get to the people's questions. So yeah, yeah, that was a great Converni Ministro says ministro Or is it maestro? It says Ministro Instron. I like it when people use their real names. But that's uh, pre combine, he says, pre combine. We're there, best slot, best tight end, best three tech,

best tight end, and draft that's what he says. P CJ. Hawkinson. Yeah, it's Hawkinson, Iowa, Iowa or Fan It depends on which. I also yea and Fan. Fan's gonna blow up the combine. He's gonna jump feet one inches and he's gonna test really well. Yeah, I think TJ. Hawkins is the best tight in Yeah, but both tight ends could easily go in the first round, which has never happened before, you know, from the same program. So now that's possibility. Top slot.

That's I mean, I think some of these wide receivers could play in this slot. But if we're talking about a true slot player, it's gotta be your guy, you mash right, I don't like, do you consider Deebo Samuel slot? See, that's what I'm saying, and that's I love, I love. I would take Samuel over. That's the bell every day. I mean, that's that's tough because you're talking about, well he can do both or a true slot receiver a J. Brown and will Miss. That's all he did, That's all

he all he did was he's absolutely right about that. Well, you know, I think you can project outside, but you could just plug him in a slot and you'd be okay. Yeah, So you know, I think the slot questions a little. It's a little tough because I think a lot of these guys could play in the slot just fine. I mean even the guy like nikkil Harry played the slot

in college. Yeah, he could do it. Yeah, so tall guy doing that though, if we're talking about slot only, yeah, Isabella, yeah, Isabella then Hart, Penny Hart, Yeah, I would say both those guys I think are right there. What about the three tech Oliver. It's gotta be Oliver right now, right? What are you gonna play Gary? He's he's an edge. I don't, I don't. You're not gonna play him, and you're gonna transplay. There's zero tape on him inside. You're

projecting guys to play that. You're you're you're projecting a wide receiver at Georgia to play corner. But why are we moving him inside? Why are we moving him inside? I'm just asking why are we moving him inside? I don't know, man, because he's two hundred and eighty five pounds and I see how he wins on the first step. Yeah, he's got but he's got the Do you see him as a right end or a left end? He can play either. He's got the power. He plays with quickness.

I mean, why why can't he not play either side? See? I'm okay with that, But I think though I look, I said, yeah, I am upset. I thought I saw it. There were some snaps where they reduced him down inside. I'm gonna say it was against Northwestern or somebody like that. He was I'm not I'm not trying to just guess. No, I mean he played something like like ninety seven percent snaps as an end as an end, something like that. So he did. There were a few snaps inside, but

predominantly he is. He's a really good player too. Brian, You're gonna hate this question from Braden, which is why I wanted to check and really fast wide receivers to play corner. Nicole Hartman, Hartman, I know, I know you're gonna hate this. Yeah, Brad says you've got a d tackle, a tight end, and a safety, all similarly rated available at fifty eight. Pie in the sky. This cowboys, right? Yeah, sure, all cowboys right? Who are you taking defensive tackle? Didn't

even hesitate. This team's got issues. There is that they had issues. There isn't act. It is that recency bias because they got owned by the Rams at all. Look at you don't think they played well more off in the not during the season. Yeah, but look at the condition of Okay, do you want to continue to go on with Reid Ross no banged up and whose contract is up next year? Do you want to keep moving

Crawford inside to tackle? I do not, okay, but I always better you better figure out what's and Dave and David Irving gave you absolutely nothing this year. I really like the idea of having a better safety back there though. Oh we could get one from the Great Northwest if you want. Whose home is. He's not from the Great Northwest. He made a career playing in the Great Northwest. Well, okay, but that's we're just assuming the team is the team

right now? What do you think you fix this? You fix the three So it's hard to say position like I need to know players, you know, Like that's I know it's y'all are gonna hate the question because he's basically saying, which of those three positions you take? Chillery over over whatever? Second round I'm trying to think of a second round safety that I saw, like a wan Thornhill. Yeah, you know, I've only done a few of those safeties, but I don't have anybody Atterie is the one guy

I've done. Yeah, but okay, Tillery and then who else? We come about? Tight end? Yeah, which I have Sternberger. I look from an m okay, yeah, question you you probably like you said, what's the bad guy? Right? Is something going on with Hillary? Here's character stuff? You? Um, which one is he? Sorry? Yeah? Um, I'm with you. I'd lean d tackle in terms of I think they're a mess here right now right and not because they got gashed and against Colts and Rams. Oh, I hear you.

They need they need depth there and then well we're preferably a better starter. Malie Collins isn't a contractor year like I get it. I'm not. He's been banged up, playing as best he can banged up. But you got the human log in there playing well too true. I know, I feel I'm sorry if you're nude to our show. I feel good about this year's D tackle class where if I don't get a guy in the second round, I feel good about the guy and get a third. I find get Dale and Mac in the third round.

Daniel real because he's gonna put up some Daleen Mac highlights where you're right here, En, I mean, I bet she does that. Aggies fans watching along with us. Aggies fans know all about him. A guy who was highly recruited, didn't that there. It is the way he played this year and at the Senior Bowl. You know it's again my Javon Hargrave comparison I think makes sense. Also, I know, I mean the difference between fifty eight and sixty seven

is not much. I understand that that's where Malie Collins was drafted, but I I got to see the Cowboys use their first available pick on a defensive tack. They want to believe that they would do they would never use a first round pick on a defensive tackle. Which but but they're smart as they do because no, well are they? Well? It depends because I mean the Vita Vea picks a first round pick not looking great right, that last year not looking great? Right? Because I did,

You're not, You're don't. Don't. Don't use a first round pick on a guy who can only play two downs. You didn't like to be You're right now, you're right. No, I just if I'm gonna take a defensive tackle on the first you want to cook your gold star. I need passed rush. That's but point, okay, give me pass rush, give your pass rush. And so that's why you know, so you would rather take one of these defensive INDs. Didn't didn't say a defensive tackle like Burns, Well, no,

but Florida State. If I'm taking a defensive tackle like him, okay, and at Oliver Christian Wilkins, Draymond Jones like it makes sense in the first round. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm fine waiting until the third or fourth round to deal with that about Yeah, you said we didn't mention Wren. He had a good week. And Saunders, we talked about him a little bit, Suders, Caitlin. Saunders helped himself, so I did. Last year. Weren't there a bunch of really good one techniques?

We kept shilling four, Yes, we kept shilling for Remember of the draft. Carbridge were like, well, I gotta take Pounaford here, don't they? Podad I said, Punaford's named seventy five times. Decent, had a pretty decent little season for the Seahawks. An undrafted Yeah, as we're trying, oh what Seahawks or just not Dane Dane Brugler. Most of us brought us, Yeah, most of us on the outside pouting Ford a good tape. He's a good player. He just didn't get it. We saw check live, We saw him live.

He's short exactly. The d tackle for this team is the great, the great vexation like it's it's gonna be a yearly thought. Yeah, I know, that's that's a big polar vexation, big word for you if I would the same place you would. He could have made that up and I'd be Yeah, sounds ramon guys. Frustration. It's a frustrating thing to talk about. Okay, thanks Dave. You can talk about until you're blue in the face. That doesn't

mean they're gonna change the way they see it. I Like I said, I would have to see them use fifty eight on a d tackle to believe it. And it's not saying that they won't or they can't, but I just got to see it. I just what position would surprise you at fifty eight? I'm not saying take out quarterback. Take quarterback At the minute I wrote about that this week is nothing they are running back running back would not wouldn't surprise me at all, would not

surprise me at all they did. They got nothing from their back cups this year, and and look around the league at at what some of these backup running backs are doing. I mean Alvin Kamara is, strictly speaking, is a backup. He's a third round. You get, you get a guy with a different skill set than Zeke who can run inside but also catch the ball. Uh. Curtis Samuel comes to mind. Like there are guys out there

who who could compliment Zeke? Who you know, it actually makes sense to take Zeke off the field from time to time instead of, you know, you take Zeke off the field on this team right now you're like, oh my god, what are they doing? Like what, who's who's what? What's going on? Whereas if you were to spend that pick on a guy to help Zeke all of a sudden,

that looks pretty nice. It wouldn't surprise me one bit. Wow, that would say not saying I think there's better ways you can use that you would you would you bash them if they took a running back at fifty eight? Absolutely absolutely I would. It's poor use of your management. Yeah, exactly. Look and if they got Devin Singletary, who's my number two back and all that, if you bash them for Singletary,

I'd bash you. Well, he's look at la Seawan McCoy type of player, Damn son NFL rushing champ, that type of player. He's really good. But again we talk about using your assets. I don't think it's a wise move. I mean, he's only gonna get X amount of touches.

And unless you are already if you're saying, Okay, you know what, we're gonna move on from Zeke winn as contracts though, you know, like maybe if you're thinking that far ahead, yeah, maybe, but I don't know, man, it's I know, it's it's dumb to compare even, but like it's working pretty well for Ingram and Kamara and we'll see you like if Ingram has a future in New Orleans because his contracts. You're also baking on drafting Kamara

fifty also beat up. That's that's that's like a team saying we'll wait till the fourth to get Dak Do I think? Do I to trade him earlier? You didn't

want to do that. I do not think pick fifty eight would be the best I don't think that would be the best way to use pick fifty eight, But I would not be shocked, especially if it fell that way if the absolute best player on your board was a running back, especially you're supposedly bringing in a new young offensive coordinator who's gonna shake things up, Like, well, maybe hey, Kellen Moore, all right, love something with this badass running back. Look at the Rams A team in

the Super Bowl. Todd Gurley went down, They signed CG. Anderson off the street. I hear you, very good. I hear you. There's an offensive line there too. By the way, Wait, okay, I know there's a one here too. We sucked today. We only answered like three questions, but I gotta I gotta get to one from job. Can we catch it after now? You know I would catch it. Let's just Twitter, we have one more question. I do want to take a break because we owe that to our sponsors. Okay,

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We'll back here the Draft show for the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Brian broad Us, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kick Garrison executive producing. Again. Thanks everybody out there is hanging out with us today, and we'll hang out with us later on. We hope we'll get into all your your questions, your names, things like that. Dave News Oh sorry, yeah, well our buddy Tom Pella sero, which excuse me, NFL network gonna be good. Um, you know it's super Bowl week, but Draft News never stopped.

So you know the rule that the the NFL put in place, you know, they can bar you from the combine for past violence incidents, right, Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon, Yeah, famous story about that. Yeah, it sounds like as he's reporting, there's only two known guys that that that applies to this year, and it's it's Mississippi State d tackle Jeffrey Simmons and Colorado State receiver Preston Williams. Is they're not being in by it to the combine. Dane, I'm positive

you can tell me about Williams. I think anybody that follows the draft knows that Simmons is, you know, a top ten fifteen here's my second defensive tackles behind Williams in Alabama. He's a big time prospect. So that's something to keep an eye on. This is a dumb rule, like not trying to justify anything. Bad, bad decision they made. Yeah, but the combine is for a chance for these teams. It's to figure these guys out, you know. And part of this interview process, and so I's doing is make

an extra work for the teams to go. It's not like they're gonna A team's not gonna draft one of these guys because they're not the combine. Not being at the combine is not going to change anything for these teams looking at these players now, their way of making a stand and I get you, I'm not. I'm not. It's a by product of the combine has become so much more than the Combine. It is. Yeah, it is the must see event of the NFL offseason. There's live television,

you know, for people that aren't true draft knicks. It's the first time you come from start hearing the name any of these guys, and and it's it's glorified to a degree, you know, like NFL Networks at the Super Bowl they're interviewing all these guys. They do the same thing at the combine, and it's a bad look for the league to have these guys. They're getting this publicity. But at the end of the day, I do agree with you, that's not the point. They don't want the

domestic violence questions being asked. Well, they don't. They don't want those guys to get the publicity and the potential glorification I get. And they'll get it undrafted, of course they will. But Simmons is still gonna be a first rund pick. Of course he is. But to your point is that's what the NFL does. Like they do everything they can to make all of their events not about the league, if that makes sense, you know, Like they don't care that these teams need to get these guys

information and make as informed and decisions. It's always been that way. It cares, they care about what it looks like for them, and so like, well, sorry, you're gonna have to go to Starkville and figure this out for yourself. Yeah, and teams will all yeah, I mean all three of two teams are gonna go get digging and find out homework. I think it's stupid because it undermines the true purpose

of the combine. That's exactly, that's that's my point. But at the same time, these teams have infinite resources to spend and none of them are going to bat an eyelash at flying a guy to Starkfield. So no, no, no, of course they'll take care of it. No, it's it's more pr than anything. But yeah, it is a it is a vapid not sorry to use another sat word on you, but it's it's just pure pr like that.

It's pure. They only care about the looks. Yes, and I'm sure it's frustrating for the thirty two staffs that have to try to get a beat on these guys. And everybody can see through it, like well, I mean, the combine has always been the place where the head coach now has a chance to talk to you. The general manager with their general manager doesn't go on the road. You know, there's some teams that have general managers or directors a player personel that that don't go on the road.

And so now you're taking that opportunity away from you know it, maybe the pre combine meeting, someone goes as this kid Simmons from Mississippi, State. Oh, man, tape looks great. Well, yeah, he's got album. So what kind of problems? Oh we got this hanging over. Okay, we're gonna get to talk to this guy. Oh no, we can't because they're not bringing him to the combine. And now you're now you're in a mode where you're going, Okay, why why are

they not bringing him to the combine? You know? So both both players were arrested for physical altercations with a woman, Simmons in twenty sixteen, Williams in twenty seventeen. Yea and Williams. Preston Williams. He was a top recruit out of it. Went to Tennessee. Uh, didn't last long, transferred to Colorado State. He got in trouble at Tennessee, got in trouble at

Colorado State. Uh, he'll be off draft boards, a lot of draft boards, and we be if it wasn't for the off field, we're talking about him as a first round pick. Yeah, he's that type of talent. Um So is he like our Florida guy last year? Caliah. I thought I didn't think Callaway was like a I thought he was like a second rounder. Yeah, but he was a high up there guy. Yeah, yeah, but this guy's a first rounder pick, this guy's a first um. It's

just it's the all fields. It's it's that bad, so good chance he doesn't go top one hundred and someone won't take a chance on on Day three, the criminal round, fourth round, probably since An a Bengal. That's it's I struggle a team. I struggle to find the Yeah, they are, I struggle to find the balance. But I mean I on one side, I want to give the NFL some and kudos because I think that's that's important. They're drawing

the line. It's important to highlight that. I think it's important that people know these things about these types of players. But again, the combine was not created to be a publicity event, not at all. You're actually hindering the purpose of it by not letting guys come to it. When I sat there in nineteen ninety two and for my first combine, I would have never, ever, ever dreamed that this was going to be on TV. Never. At the end of the day, like I already said this, but

I agree with day and that it's pretty dumb. But these teams have such a ridiculous budget. Yeah, no, they dig up so we waste money on all the time. Yeah, stupid things. It's not going to stop anybody from deciding whether or not they want to draft Simmons or Williams. Question. You said he had a question. I'll carry over that we wanted to get just purely selfish, purely selfish. Josh. Josh wants to know a player I like a lot a little Jordan Humphrey out of Texas. Need to watch

him today, Dane? Can he play in the slot? I've seen him, but let's watch him today. I need to watch him today. Can he play in the slot? Dane? It's all he played in Texas. Let's go. I mean, he's bring him. He's all the slot receiver. He's that big slot receiver. He Have you ever seen this guy? I've seen him, I mean totally, you know, like I'll turn on a Texas game. I watched the Sugar Bowl. He makes he just he makes plays. He's not He's

not a typical slot receiver. No, not at all. And and why do you think he has so much success in the slot. I think he's really good at high pointing. I think he's really good at you know, catching balls over dbs um and so a lot of times, especially in the Big twelve, if he's against going from a line, band always throws that in there going sorry, going against the safety. I mean he can out physical those guys. Um. So he really did most of his damage at the slot.

High catch rate, not a lot of drops. He's not gonna help you out in the right. He didn't have a lot of red zone uh production first there, you wouldn't think because he didn't have he doesn't have quickness. It really is about extension and read size and size. It makes him so good in the slot. Yeah, yeah, just TV scouting right now. Yeah. No, he has a knack for you know, getting at the highest point over

the dB and that's that's his game. And so I do have some questions about how it's gonna exactly translate to the NFL. But uh yeah, let's dig into him deeper today, yeah player, Yeah, well you kind of just put a blanket on my enthusiasm. But that's okay. Why is that? Why? Why? Well, you think about if you're drafting a receiver that's really gonna help Dak Prescott, you need a guy like guy catches a football that'll help

Dak Prescott. Sure is hell catches the football. But I'm talking about a guy who can generate a ton of separation with his route running. We talked about that with

Michael Gallup. We not that's a strength of Amari Cooper's sure, And we talked about this last year, like, you know, going back to Lakwan Treadwell, weren't we like enough of the enough of the guy that's just gonna out athlete, You give me a technician and that based on everything Dane just said, that doesn't really sound like la Jordan Humphreys game, not yet. And you saw him. He was at running back. I watched I did his game when

he was at South Lake? Is it running back? And like when I was doing cop Hill High School football and they're playing South south Lake, Carol. And it's always tough when you talk about unrefined receivers. You know, McCole Hardman, a guy that we've talked about earlier today out of Georgia. He was his route. I mean there are no routes there. He was an option quarterback in Oh Yeah. He can run, though gosh, can you run? Speed is ridiculous? It is

if you're undersized, you're underfined. You better be an elite athlete. He is, and I don't use the word elite a lot. He is an elete athlete. He kills the angles. You can't get an angle on him. No, pursuing eagles, we get about it. Yeah, if you're safe, you're trying to rally to get to him. No, it just doesn't happen. That's why I'm being him in the slot and trying to develop him there. I'd love to see. I'm hands

are bad, No, and he can help his return man. Yeah, he said the Georgia record this past year for I think he averaged twenty yards per punt return. That's okay, right, Yeah. If I'm a scout and I'm going to work him out, I'm working him out of a corner as well, just to see how he does. What's his pedal look like? What can he do it? He did this on purpose? Get me? This is scout man coming out of him.

Now he's Scott. I'd love to see it. You think, okay, you think he'd be better slot player, a better corner. I'm keeping him a corner or I'm in the slot. I'm gonna keep him with the ball in his hands, and that's where he can be most explosive. Sure, but again I'm also working out of corner just to see what I have because if it doesn't work out of wide receiver, if the routes don't happen, yeah, I can see the just the route running is just not there.

It's like him just getting open or trying to find space to get open. I think the combination routes and things like that. He played corner his freshman year at Georgia, and then I think they got a little impatient because he wanted the ball. This is a guy not used to not having the ball. Again, a quarterback in high school for four seasons, he was not used to not having the football a season at Georgia's freshman year, not

getting the football kind of bothered him. They moved the wide receiver, and I mean there was a lot of mouths to feed on that offense. So Riley, Ridley, McCole, Hardman not a lot of production. But both those guys are too gosh. Ridley, bring him on. Different from this brother though, bring him on. Different looking guy, physically, different

looking guy. I did a little bit of research on this. Uh. The last wide receiver drafted top fifty who did not have a single season of six hundred receiving ards are more in college any and he guesses, oh boy, yeah, you're not gonna get it. Uh, I just just write us off. Sorry too, all right, I'll give you your I think it was two thousand and eight Virginia Tech. Eddie Royal very good had a nice NFL career, did he did, Edie Royal? Good looking guy physically too. Yeah.

He never had six over six hundred yards receiving at Virginia Tech and he went somewhere in the forties, I believe. Yeah, so it didn't happen. Yeah, it doesn't happen often, you know, with that lack of production. But Riley really could do it this year. I don't think Hardman's gonna get in the top fifty. But he did not have six hundred

yards receiving in any season Georgia. So those Georgia receivers are really really interesting, and there'll be a little bit of a divide between the guys that value production and the guys that value the traits. In the last two minutes, what position has what gives you the most confidence in the first round if you had to take of all your first round grades, what position is the pass rushers. Yeah, everything I've heard is more defensive tackle, which I mean

technically they rushed the passer too. But give me the guys. So you're saying Bosa, Alan Sweat Farrell, that kind of group and then polite Burns and yeah, no, give me Bosa. To me, I don't better than william Simmons and Wilkins, Right, Bosa is the best player in the draft, all right, Like that's done. Deal, Yeah, he is the best player in the draft. Okay, So you start with that, and then you get Josh all Like. I like Josh Allen. I don't he's gonna go high. He might go two

or three in this draft. I think there's a big drop off after Bosa and Williams. Quinn and Williams from Alabama. Those two guys are number one and two, and then there's a drop off, Like this draft doesn't really have a lot of you know, Simmons you didn't, I mean, we just talked about Simmons a bunch. Yeah, I think he belongs in the top ten. But this draft doesn't have a lot of guys that you think are no

brainer top seven eight picks. I think Bosa and Williams both qualify as no brain or top seven or eight picks. After that, there's some question mark, where do you put the cornerbacks in this draft? Mur Murphy Baker, Greedy Williams Williams, Where do you put those guys? I don't know they I struggle with both of them. Well, Greedy and so you're not Yeah you're not. I like them, but it's just they play an important position, and I there's things

I like about both of them. I just wonder like neither of them have a higher grade than like a Denzel Award from last year. Um, I don't know if they're true top ten guys, but they're gonna get pushed up. He's again, this draft doesn't have a lot of true top ten players. They get pushed up. But how much? Forget quarterback because it's always separate. But right, what's the worst position at the top of the board. It seems like it would be inside linebacker. I was thinking receiver.

There's no receivers if we think if you're right, am I right that? Honestly, I didn't have a first round receiver unless you unless you really like maybe safety, right receiver, I think, well, we're running back. Um, yeah too, Josh Jacobs. I think Jacobs Jacobs. Yeah, if you need an offensive playmaker in this draft, how pissed off are you right now? I honestly there are a lot of team not a lot, but there I know there are some teams who look

at mark Marky's Brown from Oklahoma's he a top fifteen pick? Yeah? Just the explosiveness. Yeah, he's like the kid that at a Notre Dame that Houston took, right, I mean would that be the comparable player? Right? Yeah? Yeah, because that type of player slight. He's DeShawn Jackson man, which you know and it's not just a speed but it's the tracking skill. Yeah, he's a true legit deep threat. And then DK Metcalf he's a freak. He's six four two

and you know, almost two hundred thirty pounds. Yeah, he's gonna run on four four right, and you know he's unrefined. He needs to be better at the catch point. But man, the freakish quality is given not huge upside. I'm he's inside linebackers with Devin White and Wilson Alabama, there's another guy. There's another inside linebacker that's getting well. He told you about the kid from Hawaii. No, no, no, no, I'm talking about Devin Bush Or. Yes, he's an inside guy.

I think as an outside guy. Yeah, he's If he was two inches taller and longer, he'd we'd be talking about top ten. He's legit. Guys, time goes fasting. Devin could play will couldn't he? Yeah, he's got the speed to do that. I think, fast as hell. Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't. I worry about him in coverage a little bit, but yeah, yeah, that's fair. He ripped that ball out that Williams kid handed. Any playmaker man as a playmaker. Yes, all right, guys, that's all the time we have for

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