Draft Show: 2019 Kickoff & Senior Bowl Preview

that from? Drake? Are you serious? Serious? I didn't even recognize it. Drake, and that's my guy. Drake is your guy? Dave? What song? I don't know, but I just went for motivational quote, Sarah, wasn't Sir Francis Drake Thomas Payne, Sir Francis Drake for aud I know it's just said Drake. Yeah, I'm sure if it's Sir Francis, Davis told me that sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. And once again we get started here with

the Draft Show. So excited to be back with my scout Stain Brugler, David Hellman, Brian Bross. Of course, here Kick Garrison, executive producing today. Gentlemen, I missed you. How's the road been treating you. It's you know, there's no offseason with the draft, so it's been a lot of work and you know, getting us to this point. But it's just I know a lot of Cowboys fans are unhappy that, you know, they're not still playing football. We're

talking about the draft right now. Polutely, It's time to get this team better. Yeah, you know, make another run next year. David Hellman. They got a lot of holes to fill, don't they actually a team, it's a playoff team. I think this. I mean all NFL teams have holes to fill, that's the way the league is designed. But I think this is as healthy as this roster has looked in terms of draft needs like quite sometime. Like yeah they need a tight end, Yeah they might need

a slot receiver. Yeah, the safeties could be upgraded. Yeah, the d tackles got lead against the Rams. But we're not sitting here just panicking about something which has been the case in a lot of years heading into the draft. So that's a nice place to be. And that's before free agency too, So I think this is you can always make the team better. But this is a pretty healthy looking roster right now in my opinion. There you go. If you're new to the Draft show, we welcome you.

We appreciate you checking us out. It's not all about the Dallas Cowboys. Even though we just had a little bit of discussion about the Dallas Cowboys and what they want to do, or what they might do or what direction they might go. This show really is about to investigate and educate. You know. We pride ourselves on our ability to talk about a lot of different subjects, to talk a lot about different scenarios, to talk about the players.

I think that's the most important thing here as we go along in this journey we're talking about, is that by the time we get to Nashville in April, that you have a good idea of who these players are and what they're capable of. And again, we're not we don't discriminate. You know, if if you're an Atlanta Falcons fan, we welcome you. If you're a Tampa Bay Buccaneer fan, we welcome you. If you're a fan of the Seattle Seahawks,

we welcome you. That's our job here is to try and again let you guys know who these playoffs are. We'd like to interact with you. It's very important with us. We're going to be going to the Senior Bowl next week, have three shows from you there. We're gonna do shows from the combine. You know, we're gonna talk to people, We're gonna have guests, We're gonna do everything we can to kind of get you ready for this draft as

we start that journey again today. And there's a couple of different ways you can get a hold of us. We got you up on periscope. You know, I'm gonna be kind of falling along with that. We've got Twitter on the twenty, which David Hellman does a great job of every year at Ka Hill. Thank you for coming up with that idea. That's a good way to get your questions in. And then we've also got the opportunity to call in eight eight eight, eight, five, two nine seven.

You can see it right there. You can get ahold of my call for a call or two. Kent Garrison is again the executive producer and he will be handling those calls, so again, be nice to him. We're always doing well. We're excited about the draft coming up. As we get going here, and we'd like to hear your calls and opinions on that. So as we get started, though, Dane and David, the storylines that I kind of want to focus on early here is the Kyler Murray one.

Who yeah, who, Kyler Murray. I want to focus on that one to start this day. And I want to focus on really that Kyler Murray. And you know, if you said the fact that the Cowboys or we know that Cowboys don't have a first round pick, but I think one of the interesting storylines for that draft is going to be where Kyler Murray goes, if he stays in the draft. If he stays in the draft, if he goes, that's gonna be the fascinating part of this whole thing is is he for sure going to be

in his draft class? Yeah, you know, he did declare. He did declare. It was more of an arbitrary type of deal because the deadline underclassman deadline, right, he had to make a decision. But he has yet to say that, yes, I'm giving a baseball, And you know, part of it is because he has all the leverage right now, there's no reason for him to do that. We'll see how the Oakland A's handled that situation, because you know, obviously they used the first round pick, a top ten pick

on Kyler Murray. Are they gonna kind of draw a hard line in the sand and say you need to be here for spring training starting February fifteenth? Or are they gonna be a little lenient and say, okay, you can leave for a week go to the Combine. It's gonna be a really fascinating thing to see how it plays out. But you know, people that I talked to around the league, they expect Kyler Murray to be in this draft class. Yeah, David Hellman, I'll add some juice.

It should add some juice on Dane Brugler's top fifty. Kyler Murray sits currently just currently at number thirty three. Mm. Yeah, so pencil him right into the Teddy Bridgewater Lamar Jackson. Is that kind of where you were thinking? No? Well, I mean part of it is, you know you kind of park him as a potential first round pick. Sure got to go from there. I got him right on the edge. I've done the film study. Yeah, oh, you've

done a lot of study on this guy. Yes, you know, it's tough because I'm I'm a big believer, and you trust the tape absolutely tells you where the kind of player he is tells you. The trades tell you where he's going. But it's hard to trust the tape with Kyler Murray because of the conference that he played in. Yeah. Sorry, big twelve fans. Oh you are big, you're big on killing those big twelve fans. Sorry, you know they don't play defense. Yeah, and it's a conference that didn't have

a lot of great pass rushers. Plus he played behind the best offensive line in college football, had a lot of time to throw that football David Helmet literally five six seven seconds. So how do you evaluate that? You know, I think he's got a great arm. I think he's naturally accurate. Uh, he's we know, he's an electric athlete and he's a past first quarterback. He's not a guy who's just going to take off when it you know, he feels a hint of pressure. So how do you

evaluate that? And then that's not even factory the size. So there's a lot of variables here, A lot of layers have to peel back to figure out. But David, you notice what he said though he didn't mention the size until the very end. I think. I mean, in this day and age, and hey, I know, Kyler Murray is like short, I get it. I mean, you know he's not He's not a shade under six feet like people. He's a shade under like five ten problems. If he's

five nine and a half, that's a win. But still though, in this day and age, I don't think that hangs people up as much as it used to. When you've seen the success that shorter quarterbacks can have, you can scheme things to make it. It's one in this weekend in there who Drew? I meane, Threw's like two inches taller than Kyler and amazing to say, yeah, but hey, learn how to throw on your tiptoes. But honestly, even more so than the height, I think the build is

a bigger question. Yeah, oh now that Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees. These guys are about twenty five pounds bigger, heavier. Yeah, stouter, Kyler Murray, you don't get hurt in the NFL. He didn't take a lot of hits in the Big twelve. Yeah, you know, we really don't know how he's gonna be able to bounce back from hits. We saw Lamar Jackson, but Lamar Jackson was more of a runner in college, so he knew he had a better understanding of how to take care of his body and in terms of

taking those hits. We don't necessarily know that with Kyler Murray, and they're still some questions there. So more so, I mean, obviously five nine is not ideal for a quarterback, but more so than that, because look, he played behind an NFL offensive line. Sure four of the guys on the offensive line are going to get drafted in April, Oklahoma, So he played behind an NFL quality offensive line. I'm more worried about just the building and be able to

take hits and stay durable bounce back. He got rocked a little bit in that Alabama game. Now he bounced back fairly well, but still the NFL is a different animal were mobility though for a quarterback. He's fast, There's no question about that. The quickness, yeah, the elusiveness he is really and he's really instinctive with it, yeah he is. You know, he understands angles, he understands you know, where the rush is coming from. Yeah, you know, he's he's

so good. There are times we watched his tape he looks like a mini Mahomes out there with his ability to get those that baseball player right, well, yeah, that kind of that instinct. Yeah, different arm, growing off platform, you know, the outside the pocket stuff. So yeah, it's more so than ever kind of Dave was referring to. Uh, the NFL is more open minded now compared to any before, to have a quarterback like this and invest a premium draft pick in them. Do you think do you think

old scouts like me are turning turning? Uh? Taking a different approach about these quarterbacks, daff I would have to believe that they are based on what I can't sit there and throw Josh Allen and those guys out there. The prototypical guy. Can't just throw that guy out there. We'll just look look because these guys, these shorter guys, are having success. Look at the trends. I mean, Baker

Mayfield was just thinking overall. Pick I know, I know he's not short, but Pat Mahomes is about as unconventional a quarterback prospect as has come into the the NFL in recent memory. I mean, it's so much fun. First episode of the seventeen show. We were laughing about how hard it was to evaluate him. Kind of what we just said about Kyler too, and they thought was intangibles. I think, don't you, Dane well Gon dorseing intangibles there

with Baker we do. We do a lot of work here at the draft, we study the tape and all that, but when it comes to quarterbacks, there are just certain things that we're not really we don't have the access too, Like, oh sure, you know, A big thing for me with Pat Mahomes was how would he do in the white board in terms of breaking down coverages, understanding uh, you know, just understanding where to go with the football, right, you know, just the mental side of it. That's a big thing

with Kyler Murray, you know, where is seeing his mental development? Uh, you know, because there are some questions about that Lincoln Riley offense and how much that'll prepare you. You know, Baker Mayfield is a little bit different with where where he was coming into the league. So there are certain things about Kyler Murray just kind of like Pat Mahomes that we're not really gonna have access to. And it's gonna make a little more work on NFL teams to

figure them out. But at this point in the draft, you know, we're just under one hundred days away. It's anybody's guess. Uh, you know where he fits. I think there's a good chance he goes first round. Yeah, but is it? Does he crack the top twelve? Is he more in the teams? There might only be three or four teams that are legitimately interested in him. But where are those teams picking? Where do those teams feel comfortable drafting a guy like that? That's why I think the

first overall pick is for sale? Oh yeah, it always yeah, I think I think I think Arizona has been interested to getting out of there. And again it's gonna be about okay about Haskins, quarterback from Ohio State, who is fiftieth or fifteenth? Excuse me on on Dane's board right now, right now as we speak. I gotta pull this up. I gotta it's funny. Is that? I mean? Is he gout? I mean? This is there? This is the thing. I

think it's gonna be fun about this draft. I think that I think a defensive tackle could be the first pick overall. Yeah, Quinn and Williams Quinny Williams. I absolutely think he could be the first pick in this Church's worthy. There's no question first pick in the drafts are first picked by the Cardinals, first pick in the draft, because if sa if someone, if you're gonna go up, you're probably gonna go get You're not gonna go up for

a tackle. Yeah, but but this, Yeah, I know, I know they just drafted Rosen, but it's hard for me to believe that. You know, you're bad enough that you have the number one pick in the draft and you're gonna take a d tackle. This guy's rare, he's the best player. Yeah, it's it's the it's the Quentin Quentin Nelson argument with me, you know, yeah, that's the same argument with me. How can you pay how can you

pick a guard? Look what that guy's done. Guards protect your quarterback, though, how about guys getting after the quarterback? I mean, I'd even say a defensive tackle is more important than a guard, to be honest. I mean because he hits it though, because he can get after Well, if you can get after the quarterback, yeah, what after what you saw that guy's in in Los Angeles? Do for number of sacks? It's funny, Well, Okay, Aaron Donald is rare, the rarest of rare. He might if you

redrafted it, he'd go a lot higher. But okay, how about the guy that how about the guy that's next to him? He was taking number two overall, he's on his third team, he has I think a lot of that has to do with attitude. Okay, how about that guy? All right, that guy woke up the other day against you? How about old uh? How about the old Gerald McCoy down in Tampa. Intangibles through the roof, like everything you want in a player, perfect guy, great, pretty good argument,

there isn't he Has he done anything? He's played well, He's played I cut myself off. Of course he's played well. Of course he's a good player. Has Tampa been relevant during his tenure? Well, I don't know. Yeah. No, defensive tackles aren't, you know, unless you're Aaron Dalda, they're not game changers. But I think that we're getting I think we're getting to that point though. But in this draft, in this draft, yeah, Nick Bosa to me is the

best player. Okay, okay, he was the best player as soon as last I'm not going to go down that path again. Yeah, I'm not gonna die that we love the Bosa Yeah, everyone, Yeah, I'm with Nick Bosa is the best player in this draft. But okay, with his medical history, yeah, and an indestring wrinkle with him is it's not just his injury history. Nick Bosa, you know, for those don't don't follow college football, played the first three games, had a core injury kind of linked with

his abdominal area, missed the rest of the year. Uh, you know, he had an ACL a senior year in high school. So he's had a few injury things that the medicals at the combine will be paramount. But you look at his brother Joey, who when he's on the on the field, he's an all Pro, he's a pro. But he's had some foot issues, He's had other issues. Their their father was a first round pick in nineteen

eighty seven, only played two years because of injuries. Is there something going on with the Bosa family in terms of durability that you have to worry about. That's that's a wrinkle that will be part of this. But okay, back to the original point. The first overall pick Nick Bosa is a top player in this draft. If he's healthy, if my trainers and my doctors give me two thumbs up and I don't receive a you know, big enough offer at I think he Bosa is going number one

of the Cardinals. Yeah. But if say the medicals fail and you know, we my trainers say no, you don't want to touch this guy. Yeah, we'll hear that. You get it ready, who you're getting that's gonna have a better impact than Quinnon Williams. Yeah, I think it's one Bosa, two Quinnon Llams and then I think there's a little bit of a gap for the next Beston'll se him to give another defensive tack. I think it's that Michigan kid Gary. Yeah, I think that's that. You watch him

start coming up. I mean, I know Dane's got him high. He's before people are gonna start people are gonna start talking about him a lot more. He's polarizing. He's polarizing. Is definitely polar He's no. Two hundred and eighty five pounds. He moves like he's two fifth. He is crazy. It plays at three at undertackle. Yeah, I'm telling you there's gonna be some But he's outside. I mean, he's staying on the edge where he could. Oh no, he could play.

I think he could. You could put him into Yeah, he got the first Dan talk to walk me through. It's it's gonna be a record number for juniors. Yeah, coming in this job. Yeah, ten years ago, was it maybe a dozen nine? It was like forty five, forty nine like that. Yeah, now we're triple that. What's the storyline on that? Well, you know, guys getting bad advice. A lot of guys, you know, they don't really care

about the college scene. You know, they just want to try and get the get the contracts sooner, you know. So they're gonna play the odds and see what happens, and you know a lot of them will end up regretting it. But for some guys that'll be the right choice. You know, we get the official lists from the NFL here the next few days, today or tomorrow really, but

we're gonna be over one hundred and thirty names. It's gonna be a lot of names that come out, and history tells us that about you know, a little over a third are going to go undrafted, and so, you know, a lot of these guys are gonna regret the decision they made. But you know, I'm not gonna hate on any of these underclassmen are going out. I understand why they're doing it. A lot of them don't have a choice, you know, academic wise, family, situation wise, they really don't

have a choice. So I'm not gonna put too much heat on them. We'll just see how it plays own. I think you can probably credit and CBA for a lot of that too. The way I mean the way it's slotted now. I mean, obviously, the higher you go, the more money you get. You look at the way it's slotted, and I mean unless you're unless you're a first round pick, right then you're talking a pretty similar ballpark in terms of finances. And I think a lot of these guys are like, all right, cool, I'll be

I'll be a fifth round pick. I'll get X amount of guarantees and a four year contract, and you know, I'm just already working toward my next contract. I really do think that's a big part of it. Like ten years ago, fifteen years ago, it was a gigantic financial blunder to go early and not be a first or second round pick, and now it's just kind of like, as long as I get drafted, it's fine, which, of course, a lot of these guys aren't gonna get drafted, and

that's a shame. But I you know, if if you're banking on being one of two hundred and fifty three picks, I would I get why you bet on yourself. Basically you have a deep position right now. Well, yeah, it starts with the defensive line. Um, yeah, we're gonna see

those guys go early and often. Uh my top fifty board, I think I've got seven pass rushers in the top sixteen, seventeen something like that, Josh Allen being the best one, but Bosa being the best on bos Josh Allen, I think those probably be the boast is a consensions top guy, and then Alan will probably be close to a consensus next. But then you got some variety of guys. Farrell Farrell, Yeah, I loved watching that tape at him against the guy

from Alabama Jona Jonah Williams. Yeah, what a good matchup stretch Cleland Farrell played better than anybody else. Yeah, it's funny because at that I mean I remember looking at him last year and some a little bit early this year. Yeah, that wasn't necessarily the case with him sure. The Wilkins kid is another one too from Clemson. You watch all those Clemson kids. Dexter Lawrence, he's he's one of the tougher ones to figure out. That is a really tough one.

I struggled with doing the tape on him. I really did struggle on and and it has nothing to do with him having to sit out. I wish he could have played the playoff games. I wish he could have played. Well, tell you this, how much of that Clemson defensive line suffer without him? Not? The almost played better? Yeah, So, I mean, you know it's not that's not necessarily gonna you know, killed Dexter Lawrence. But I've got a lot of questions on the player. Um, how about a guy

from Florida, Jichai Polite. I know that's a guy that we're gonna be debating. Brought us, brought us is already knee deep in this. Did you not like what you saw? I liked the pass rusher a little bit. I thought they just ran the ball at him though. Oh yeah, I mean you said at one time he was a two hundred and sixty pound guy. Yeah, he's two forty nine now. Yeah, they played him a little inside too, but he lost twenty pounds, got in shape, and became

a pass rush specialist. That's this. This week has been great because like you're going, you're grinding on playoffs, play the rams. Thirty six hours after I get back, Brian's like, how do you how do you pronounced this guy's name? I look over and he's watching Florida tape. Yeah, classic, No, the pass rush. It's gonna be fun to debate the pecking order of these guys because I'm higher. I'm polite than you are, just because he's you don't have a

twelfth overall? Right now? Right? Yeah? And pass rush is king. If you asked me, you asked me who I thought. I was kind of a little skitty on right. He was the first name I mentioned. So are you guys? Are you guys saying we're gonna have a polite conversation, Not at all. It's never never, not gonna be never, never polite. On the draft show, I'll tell you another position. I'm kind of noticing, offensive tackles. It's a lot better

class than last year. Yeah, that offensive tackle group. Last year, I didn't feel like, you know, if Colton Miller was your number two guy. Yeah, yeah, Okay, how do you play this year? I don't even know. Not well, yeah, we'll talk to John about that. I think this year's offensive tackle group is there's not like there's not that clear cut top ten pick. Now I did we both like Jonah william Jonah Williams, but Greg Little, I'll be honest. I talking to more and more people run the league.

I think it's about fifty fifty in terms of teams looking at Jonah Williams fifty percent seeing a tackle, fifty percent seeing an interior guy. Oh, I really think it's split. Do you think that? Do you think that championship game kind of hurt him a little bit? He got rocked a couple of times by Farrell. I think you saw the good, the some of the worries, and you saw the really good too, because there are a lot of times where he got rocked, but then he was able

to reset. Yeah, and you went on the ground. Yeah right, use the hand strength, use the technique, us his bass strength. So I think there's a lot that you saw that you liked, but also some things that you worry about. Yeah, because Farrell certainly took it to him and got him more than a few times. Uh, Greg little Cody. I love Cody Ford. Cody Ford is Cody Ford is now gonna be. You got him on your board here. You got Cody Ford on your board here, and I'm looking

at it, whereas I've eleven. You got all these offensive linemen right there with each other. Right, I've got Williams little Ford. Yeah, on the on the one I have, it's fourteen. I think it's what you got him at him. Oh, oh, we have a little we're having a little uh, we're going back a little bit here. We crossed an evolving conversation Brian Danuary. It's a week old, so okay, oh we'll send me a week old list of got he's working with. I'm working off the same. But the coody

Ford is h he's a grizzly bear. Plan tackle, that's what he is, and he gives you tackle guard versatility. Any chance he's over little, any chance he ends up it's the third guy. Any chance he ends up to be the first guy. Yeah, it's all on the table. Absolutely. This is I'm I'm derailing the conversation a little bit, but this is a fascinating subplot for me. Is like I feel like over the last three or four years, you've really known what to expect from the top of

the first round. I mean, the Browns had the first pick for a million years. The Jags were constantly up there. It's not the case anymore. Like and not only that, not only are these some new teams. I mean, you know, the Jets are there. It seems like the Jets are always up there. But a lot of new teams picking near the top of the draft, and not that many that need a quarterback, which is always something you have to I mean, Cardinals don't need a quarterback, forty nine

Ers do not need one. Jets, no, Oakland maybe. I mean, you can't rule anything out with what John Group is doing out there. Yeah, Bruce arians is talking about building his offense around Jamis Winston, so I assume he don't. They don't need one. Okay, now you're all the way to do here we go six and seven seven, Yeah, and get ready get ready for a Rams eagle, try and get to the top of the board. Bit that's that's what that makes me think. That is there though

I don't see, I don't know. I don't know if teams are going to be convinced enough about this quarterback group. I don't know. History has taught me that somebody is always can absolutely. History will tell us that quarterback desperation does not take a year off, right. History tells us that going back to the last twenty years, the last two decades, there's been at least one quarterback drafted in top five every year except for two y thirteen that

was the EJ Manual Draft. Terrible draft class for quarterbacks. So history tells us we're going to see a quarterback in the top five, likely a trade up. But Dave Gettlman doesn't like the trade. He doesn't like the Jaguars at seven. Okay, what happens when they signed Nick Foles and you know they okay, they got to win. Now, this is all This is always going to change. Always. Did you go to Denver at ten? Yeah, they're gonna

be in that conversation. But I don't think we're gonna see necessarily, uh try you know it racing up to the spot, all right, top five? Yes, I think you know, teams trying to get the three or four. Maybe you got to get ahead of the giants. But I don't know if we're gonna necessarily see the you know, three first round picks for the first overall pick this year. I just want and I don't mean any respect to

Quinn and Williams. I think he's a hell of a player, but like in a year where that is the guy that might go number one, I just imagine some teams near the top of the draft might be trying to get down and rather Yeah, you know, I'd rather have I'd rather have, Uh, I'd rather have Byron Murphy and an extra pick or two than Quinnon Williams. I don't I don't think you're wrong about the teams wanting to move down. I just are you gonna get to be

that you want to? Yeah, you know, I think that's more the concern here, because I don't think we're gonna see teams looking to give up multiple first round picks. Why, yeah, right if the players are there, right, Yeah, twenty fifth pick worth Amari Cooper, twenty seventh and thy seventh Hell, yes, that's I mean, I get that wrong. I don't know it's okay this picks now twenty seven? He whar's Houston? Then twenty three? That's a good question. I have the

order pulled up. Maybe maybe I misread that. Okay, so the twenty seven my bad. Sorry about that misinformation on my part. Twenty seventh overall pick overall, Yes, absolutely, it's worth it, and I don't I don't know how you could debate if that wasn't. Hey, you can get some good players with the twenties. I saw Tredavious White was picked twenty seven a couple of years ago. Sure, it took him a few years, but Byron Jones is a pro bowler. Twenty seventh overall pick, you could get good

three and five. It looked like a disaster, didn't it. I'm not it felt like it. It felt like an overpay at three and five, but an overpay that made sense. That's what I said at the time. I was like, this is a steep price to pay, but if he has the impact that you say he will, then it should pan out. And that's exactly what happened. And now it's actually it's an underpay and people don't want to hear that. But like, I don't even view pick twenty

seven as a first round pick. Yeah, I mean, if you get if we traditionally see somewhere between eighteen and twenty names is first round grades. That's like a second round grade is which you're really a second round pick you're giving up right there? Right? Let me okay, project real quick before we go to break. Man, this thing, this show goes so damn fast. For shot. Penny was picked twenty seven last year. Okay, he was the third leading rusher on the Seahawks roster. Okay, project for me

of last year, Cooper Gallop, Cedric Wilson. Like that combination there for the Cowboys or this guy which no disrespect intended to Cedric Wilson, but like this, this guy's putting Cedric Wilson in the Pro Bowl like he's ready to go. Did you like you like Cedric Wilson a little bit though, didn't you? I liked him? Yeah? As a number four? I mean I don't know, but I mean it's okay, that's a slot receiver. Yeah, if Beasley's not back and

then yeah, I like that top four that's not bad. Yeah, I'm just trying to like, remember, let's remember we talked about Cedric Wilson here, Okay, we talked about him. We did you roll with Cedric Wilson or you take a look at your you know, pick fifty eight and pick where what what's do we know what? The third round? Oh? This guy next to me, he wants to take that that that that kid from you Maska, so do I?

I want him to Andy Isabella baby. And by the way, he'll be at the Senior Bowl, right yeah, and he'll be there. Yeah, he'll be He'll be the to be standing next to him holding his bag and his shoulder pads and you're you're gonna give him your keys thinking he's the valet or something. Oh here, Andy, that's I mean. I I us a hell of a player. By the way, Yeah, he's a hell of a play. We can talk about

that later. But like I am fascinated with the thought of adding a Verbella, Dane, Katie, Kevin Turner, Jeff Cavanaugh. They beat me down in the room. Yea, you heard you heard what I said on when we were shooting these video segments we're reviewing the season. You've heard what I said yesterday? Yeah, right off. I don't really listen to what you said. Pat, thank you past four years. Yeah, Jarvis, Landry H Cooper c No, No, Tyler Locket Yah, Tyler Boyd. Yeah. Yeah,

like that. They're begging you to find these difference makers in the fifties and sixties, Like they're just begging you. They're there every year and they can step right in and play. Yeah, let's go, let's do that. He can make some catches. Now, we watched that Georgia game. Well, yeah, fifteen catches a good Georgie. What's his what where do you where do you peg him? We're just skate thinks you're gonna have to go four fifty eight to get I think there's a good chance he goes before fifty eight.

I have a third round grade on him, but I think there's a good chance he's you know, a team will like him enough to take him in the late second. Oh so you're saying that people are gonna go up, They're gonna they're gonna trapt him around early if you have a need for a his skill set. Yeah, yeah, I think he'll be valued over a guy like Hakim Butler or you know, Kim Butler from Iowa State, right,

a lot of these other big name receivers. Isabella's gonna go before some of them because he fits the skill set of what some teams are looking for. Um. Yeah, and by the way, and he had fifteen catches in that Georgia game, all time record. Do you know the number of players who have gone into Sanford Stadium between the hedges and it's caught fifteen passes? He's the only one. Zero. Yeah, you told me that. I listened to yes and some

great think that's some great, great guys. Uh. He fits this team's needs fifty Okay, okay, how about this real quick Herb Smith junior or Andy Alabama tight end or Andy Isabella wide receiver U mass. I think if Smith is a better player, um, you know, I think he's the first chance to go in the first round. Yeah, so, I don't think. But if there's three, if there's three tight ends, yeah okay, if if if in fact, you say you had to go up, make a small move

to go get a guy and you're gonna go. Does Andy Isabella or Irb Smith make more sense for this team? I don't. I don't trust this team to use a tight end properly, and I don't try a slot receiver. I don't. That's why Cole Beasley's probably well, that's what we're gonna We're gonna soup that position up. Though, we're gonna give Dak a fantastic security. Blank you say the same thing about tight end, you can that's what has a better chance to hit. How many second round tight ends?

Making him he's going on history here, but how many how many slot receivers can you find later on? I mean, look at history with Cole beasonas like an undraft. But that's I don't want which I see. This is why I argued against Andy Isabelle. I'm trying. I'm trying to soup that up full. Beasley is great, Juju Smith Shuster's much better. Yeah, right right, people want the Iowa kids. Those both those Iowa kids are gonna be gone, right

Lake Jarwin's going to the Pro Bowl. Iowa kids don't have to worry about which Iowa kids this tight ends Phantom. Oh yeah, they'll be long gone. A good players, really good first round players. Hawkinson. I'll see what if they gave, if they gave like Hawkeye helmet stickers, he his helmet would like the Ohio State guys. He pancakes. It's it's it's a I mean, he just pancakes guys. The C line tied end that could get up the field, and the clip you showed me of the block against Illinois.

Remember Dane guy out past the cheerleaders. Yeah, that was bad. He had a couple of those against Nebraska. Yeah, we're if two, if they both go first round, be the first time ever we've had two tight ends from the same program go first round the same year. Never happen before. Nebraska didn't do that one year. No, never have not in the same year. All right, we should probably take a break, right, Yeah, we like fifteen minutes. I'm so

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This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys. We're back here with the Draft Show from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. We're presented as always by Miller Litte. We appreciate everybody that's hanging out with us. Uh today the first of our installments. We're gonna do one pair. We're gonna do one Draft show a week. Sorry everybody, Yeah, sorry about that, folks. We're gonna do one show week. But you know, next

week we're at the Senior Bowl. We'll have three. We'll have a Tuesday show, Wednesday show, Thursday show, and if you want to call Jerry and tell him to get the first round pick back, then we'll do two shows a week. Well, we we we've got other obligations we have as well. We have to do so that's that's true. But yeah, but but the Draft Show, we could go back to two times a week and we get to

April Derek is what we're looking at some things. So once we get close to the draft, we'll get back into some double shows, but for right now, we're just gonna do the one show week. We do appreciate again everybody that's that's hanging out with us today real quick before we get back. Day before hit I hit one one question off off a periscope here, Bryce Love, any update on the Stanford running back. Folks here think that this team needs a backup running back. Any update on

what Bryce Love has his situation. He had the ACL tear late in the season, so realistically he's not going to work out before the draft. Um, you know, he had such a great junior year. You know, it's if he could go back and do it over again. I don't know, because he's a big He was big. He wanted to go back for school. Yeah, so I don't know even know if he would change his mind if

he can go back. And you know, in hindsight, but basically, some team's gonna get a bargain in the on day three with him because he's he's damaged goods and you wonder about the durability being able to hold up. He was fun to watch play at Stanford though, question. I mean he tough. We're two thousand rushing yards. Yeah, promised me. He's gonna fall to day three. I'd be shocked if he didn't. This team, let's go. Let's do it. This team right here, Dave's get it. Tight end. No, I

don't want to tight end. No, No, Andy Isabella, Yeah, right, so I want to be a bad drab. Those are two really tough v We need more picks. We need to make some trades. We don't have enough picks right now. All right, well with that, we need some more. One of my favorite segments. I love when the fans get involved. I love how David Hellman runs this drill ed k Hill, thank you as always, it is Twitter on the Twitter. We're a little late on that, but we're late. It's fine.

We'll just we'll roll with it. Hop right into what do you got a good question from Louise, He says, assuming no major free agency grabs, despite my hope for Earl Thomas, Yeah, me too, what position would you consider the top need for this defense? Realistically? Who could we hope for? You're gonna look at some defensive tackles. You're gonna look at defensive you're gonna look at a linebacker, you'ren look at a safety. What direction you're gonna go into?

Cornerback to me, people kind of getting on Byron Jones a little bit about iron Corner is more of a need than I think. You know, I hear the same thing all the time, tight end, wide or defensive tackle, safety, you know, I think that's a three that I hear the most. But I think corner is a bigger need than people uh kind of talk about. Especially if if Iron Jones isn't back. Yea, you know, we don't know, you know what's going on with Jordan Lewis long term?

You know, where does he fit? Anthony Brown will be up until after next Yeah, that might be a difficult contract to figure out because he's been so up and down. I think corner is a good point. You can, that's true. You know, you can't have more corner or you can never have too many corners quality guys, and so you know, maybe you try to find that next Anthony Brown in the fourth or fifth round. Yeah, you're absolutely right, because if you look at the two thousand after the two

thousand and twenty season, you got Collins Elliott, Cooper Jones, MALIEK. Collins, Press Scott, Anthony Brown, Charwin Rush, and Frasier. Those are all guys that are up and this draft class has an abundance of six one and taller corners. How about my guy from Vanderbilt, Hello, Chris Rashard, Joe One Williams. With Chris Chris Schard having more of an influence on this defense and the personnel, there's gonna be guys. You know,

it's at the Senior Bowl. There's a lot of bigger, you know, the tall long receivers, even at the Senior Bowl. Chris Boyd from Texas, um from the kid from Penn State. I can't pronounce his name, Uh, Waru Warrier, Yeah I think it is. Yeah, I'm glad you did it because I went up from Houston. These guys are six one and taller, They've got speed. Uh, They're gonna be guys.

We see next week in Mobile. We're talking some of these guys at you know, Isaiah Johnson, the Penn State kid third fourth round might fit the mold of you know what this team might be looking for outside of corner. All right, here's one for you will stick with the defense this Hey, we. We love that Murphy kid from Washlayer the way I think he's going to be the best corner. Braden says, this doesn't necessarily pertain strictly to the draft, but how about Taco Charlton's future in Dallas

and and how does that affect your draft needs? Thinking that we got you got two pretty good ends in DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Yeah, I was kind of thinking that maybe an end of the needed end, depending on what's going to happen with Lawrence. Lawrence is here. I refused to believe other it just is a long term or is a he I don't whatever this season, right I tell you I'll figure it out somewhere between. I don't we we don't need it one we that's not matter.

That doesn't matter right now. Though now you guys have a better feel for this than than I do. But you know, in and out of in and out of the doghouse, it seemed like that when he's on the field, you don't see a first round pick. You know what that is not? That is not wrong. I defended the pick in twenty seventeen and and it's not panning out for me very well right now. He's still got three

years well at least two maybe three years left. Um. The attitude thing is what concerns me, just in the sense. I mean, if you're a healthy scratch as a first round pick in your second year, as that's just he started off well, he really did. He started off well, and then he got hurt and then and then and then he was just bad and it was just and it was just bad and and I and I to me, you know, I I have a lot of concern there.

I think there needs to be if you want to talk about Ezekiel At growing up in his third year, you know, yeah, this guy needs to grow up in his third year. Yeah, he needs to grow up a lot. I become more serious about playing football. I lean away from thinking that he's done in Dallas because letter you realistically get for him, and I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna cut him. No, there's no point if somebody wears all the t J. Watt stuff coming on, well, I mean, yeah, it sucks t J. Watt was taken

two picks later. I think y'all y'all said that it should be t J. Watt. Yeah, absolutely, Cowboys felt differently. Yeah, and you know, it's a rare still early to completely rule him out, but it is looking like a rare miss in the first round from this Their track worker in the first round has been much better than a lot of teams, So you know they're bound for a miss. But it does doesn't make it hurt any less you would. I mean, I'm just trying to get a bearing for

how I feel about this. If somebody offered you, like a fourth round pick for him, maybe somebody that had a high grade on him, kind of um, similar to what the Cowboys did with um, what's his name, Jihad Ward? Yeah? What they what they get for him or what they give up players? Switzer? Oh yeah, Switzer? See the Switzer? No switcher? Yea Switzer? Yeah switch? They give a draft

pick for Austin. Yeah, that's probably what you're taught. I mean, yeah, you're not getting You're not getting anything better than like a Day three pick for him. I got a fourth round pick. I might do that. Yeah. Um, you're just ready to move on after two years. I mean, I'm not working with him every day. You know, it's hard for us to really say, you know, because the attitude is certainly part of it, and just how he goes

about his business. And I don't have a definitive opinion, but to this point, you know, do I see him turning it on and living up to the first round potential. No, No, he doesn't. And this is this is the this is the trying to be patient guy, and that I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm gonna ride this one more year with him. I think that. And I totally get what everybody in

the room saying. I totally get that. I think that's the best option because just like I said, the alternative is just there aren't a lot of good alternatives, and it is it is disappointing. Though, Yeah there's like again, folks on periscope agree with you guys. They would take the fourth, they would move on. I don't. I don't realistically think somebody would offer you a forth. That's the

thing you're not getting forth. Yeah. Yeah, so probably, And I wouldn't trade him for a seventh, Like why, I'd just hope that he comes on. So Austin says, another year goes by, and I think the Cowboys still need that Tarik Cohen type of change of pace back. He wants some names that fit the bill Oh, I got You're not alone Austin a lot. Not only do I think all of us think that, but the Cowboys clearly think that too, because they've tried to get one in

Like all of the last three drafts. They wanted Donel Pumphrey. They were really intrigued by Naheim Hines. I think there was a guy in the class before that too. Yeah. Either way, Uh, they clearly are interested in that as well. Smith. Yeah, you know Smith, Smith. Yeah, they I got a guy for you. Uh, Utah State. Oh, somebody say, somebody in my mentions, I thought you gonna say Utah. I thought you're gonna say the Utah guy. What's the Utah State kids?

Darwin Thompson. There we go. Uh, he's there's a Trek Cohen in this draft. It's Darwin Darwin Thompson. He's as juco kid, didn't have the grades out of high school. Say his name one more time for Darwin Thompson. Darwin Thompson. Utah State went to Northeast Oklahoma, A and M. That sounds made up. It is not that does sound made up? Went there for a couple of years, then went to Utah State this past year. Uh, he was he averaged over almost seven yards per carry a he caught twenty

five balls out of the backfield. He's not a power guy and he's probably five to seven one hundred ninety eight pounds. Um, you know he's not going him to be a guy that consistently run up the middle. He doesn't have that inside power. But get him out in space, get him in the screen game. Um. I think he's going to be a guy that we could see go higher than maybe we thought, just like a tret Cohen, because someone's looking for that style of player. Where do

you have Zach Moss? He's not in this draft class? Hey? Did he went back to school? Went back to school? Why am I looking at players that went back to school? Enough all over the play? Is that Utah a lot? He was my number one running back in October? So oh no he Okay, he was supposed to come out, but he heard his knee in November. Okay, I had to go back to school. Okay, Hey, we've been in playoff mode for two weeks. Get okay, how about how

about did Singletary go back from Florida Atlantic? No, he's in this draft? Okay, here we go. He's a top forty. Tell me about Devin Singletary from forty. He's a top forty forty. I'm out, I don't care. I thought he was more. I thought he was more like a I think he's legit. Oh he is legit, He's see I don't. I haven't seen all I haven't seen all the running backs, so I can't really gauge where he is. It's January seventeenth, Brian's okay, it's it's early, but I don't see my

top four running backs changing. I think so Singletary is the top forty. Are you having your top Josh Jacobs Alabama is the number one running Yeah? That is man right there. Yeah. It's funny. When I my first rankings in December, I got killed for it. Now it seems to be, you know, common thought. But yeah, he is the number one running back in this draft. Devin Singletary is the number two running back in this Man, I

haven't seen all these guys number done. Singletary definitely kid. Oh, I'm not exaggerating when I say he is one of the most elusive running backs I have ever scouted. I can't, I kept saying, because who are the other who are the other two. Uh, Damien Harris the Alabama three and then David Montgomeryntgomery. Cool, we got Montgomery, What what do you have? Montgomery Iowa State the second, third round, fourth running back. I mean, I think, you know, there's a

lot to like about him. I just don't think he's speaking speaking of nonpower five. Funny question from Vladimir ask about Treyvon Williams too from a Texas Yeah. I think he's six for me. I mean, he's right in that mix. He finished stronger. We saw enough of him and that was a nightmare for me. Vladimir says, who should the Cowboys draft from Boise State this year? Any prospects this year? I haven't looked at Boisey tape this year and anybody

they got the quarterback Brett Ripton, the nephew of what Mark. Yeah, he's my possible late round guy. You know that you bring in as a as a possible back up after that. You know, Alexander Madison, the running back, came out early. I think he's a later round guy. Um. You know, it's really not a strong group of boys kids this year. Keep in mind that they doubled up last year, so like they don't need to they don't need a draft the quota, Yeah, they got the quota. Um Man, I'm

so disheartened by this Singletary. I kind of thought, he where'd you have him? That was your guy? I loved him. No, no, no, not Singletary. Moss. Oh no, Moss both. I love Moss too, and seven I can't. Are you disheartened by Singletary because yes, because he's got a second round I mean a possible you and topt top forty three. Why are you trying to draft a running back in the second round anyway? To? This kid is awesome. That's I know. I'm just looking

at players. They won't use him the right way. He won't after I regret saying this, but I think he's the second coming of Lashawn McCoy. The way he can slip he's two hundred pounds and the way you can slip tackles finish. Yeah, put him on my team. I'm with you on that. I loved watching him play Grass. He was just we're way behind schedule. No, no, no, I need you one more question, got one that I read.

We gotta get some Senior Bowl stuff real quick, especially as an LSU guy, I want to ask but I don't think this is something we've ever talked about on the Draft show. This is gonna be a first Okay, yeah, de Quan, any kicker's worth taking a look at this year? Does this steam meet a kicker? Um? Oh, we need need whatever stadium he's in. I could feel the nerves yeah, And I could feel the nerves from the star over

here when we're watching the game. If you ask Jason Garrett, you would get an emphatic no no. But if you ask anybody else, I think you would say you would at least want to take a look at it. Right, and you mentioned LSU because mister Tracy, the Assumption College transfer. Uh, he kicks the ball, so line drive they go, they go through the upright. I'll see him next week. Yeah, Brudon will mess him up. Is he on Gruden side? Maybe he might impress Gruden once took a kicker in

the first round. He was part of that. He was still kicking. Is that is that something that you would I mean, nobody, I don't see the point in drafting kickers, but may it means that punter made a difference in Seattle. He was Yeah, he was a rare guy that should punter this one here. Oh so we're just trying to swap out all the special rom now little Yeah, so, I mean six seventh round. If you tell me that there's a guy that's definitely sure, you might need a

snapper too. Oh, PE's getting a look expensive for he's a free agent to wiping out the specialist room. Yeah, we'll see. We've been said like all year, we've been saying like, well, other than the specialists, nobody here is younger than or older than thirty. It's about to just be period. I don't know that's that's something that I would be curious to take a look at though. Just absolutely, you're right scouting some kickers. That scotting some kickers this year.

We'll let you be the kicker scout. How about that. Yeah, that's fine, that'd be a good that'd be a good segment. It'll be kicker scout. Let's go to David Holmer first kicker scout. Okay, in the last few minutes, Dame Bruger, take the rosters north and south and kind of give us a little preview of who David Hellman and I should be looking at. I know I've got my eye on a Delaware safety Adderly. Yeah, I got my eye on him. He's um. He might be one of the

best safeties in the draft. Think he is the best thief, oh more so than the Alabama brow you know, at least That's what I'm going with right now. We'll see if he makes me look he's over here. No, I mean I thought he was the best safety that I saw. Well, we'll see how he does at the at the Senior Bowl when he's step up and fight exactly here in the category, you know, but he dominated the FCS level.

I think he has some corner safety versatilities. Got sorry, right a cousin a couple times removed with her Badderley Hall of Fame, former Cowboy, former hacker. Yeah, I think the top with Josh Allen Kentucky passed Rusher with him pulling out, I think Montest sweat the Mississippi State edge. Rusher is the top prospects. I'll take him over that Florida guy you're trying to sell me. He is scary man. SEC fans are well aware of he could do. He double digit sacks the last two years in the SEC.

Eager to see way in's what he comes in at because he's he's so long. Yeah. Does he even have room to put on weight? I don't know. Yeh. Adderley is the number two guy for me. Danger. And then we get to the quarterbacks, Daniel Jones Drew Locke. Those are the top two quarterbacks. Both have a chance to go top ten, top fifteen, and it's gonna be great because they're both on the North squad being coached by

quarterback nut John Gruden. There you go, so John will wear him out kind of like last year we had Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen back to back. Yeah, no, that's good. It'll be good. Good evaluation exactly. I mean, Jim Smart a good jacket director of the of the Senior Bowl. He did that on purpose. Yeah. Good. Get these guys back to back, throw after throw, compare them. That's gonna be, to me, the top storyline in the

entire week to see how they do. After that, we're talking Zach Allen from edge rusher from Boston College, the tackle from Washington State. Talk about him a little bit. Andre Dillard six five to ninety, he's gonna be up these boards before we know it. On him too, I think he's gonna be He's a guy that you're gonna look at in the first round. Yeah, especially when tackles get pushed up a little bit. What's his length gonna be at the way? That'll be a big step for him.

Is he thirty two and three quarters? Is he posted to thirty four? That'll be a big step for him to see how he does. But I think Andre Dillard he's the top senior offensive lineman and a guy that, uh, we're gonna be talking a lot about as a possible first round pick. How about the Northern Illinois kid, Sharpen Sharp, Yeah,

he grew up in the shadow of Lambeau. Yeah, he's a he's a Green Bay kid and uh went to Northern Illinois from the Mac And when he went up against Brian Burns from Florida State this year, he more than held his own. Remember that game. I do remember that. He's uh, he's I think he's my second rated senior offensive tackle. So he's gonna be in that late second early third round mix. We'll see how he does next week. So it's a pretty good group for offensive lineman. Uh. Yeah,

Senior Bowl Michael Dieter from Wisconsin. I watched him a little bit yesterday He's a guard right used to wait. The best thing about him is he has double digit starts at Wisconsin at tackle and a guard and at center starts. Yeah, so I think he gives you a little bit of versatility. Uh. And then the top center in the draft, Garrett Bradbury from See State. I think he's gonna have a big week at the Immobile and uh,

he could end up being a second round pick. I feel like I appreciate that's great stuff position that really benefits from these practices feeling. I mean obviously, well, and that's where I was going his wide receiver, Yeah, Isabella, obviously we covered. I am a big fan of Deebo Samuel's game. Yeah. Um, is there anybody else that stands out to you that I should have an eye on? Emmanuel Hall from Missouri. Uh, he's, you know, legit six

two two h five, but he has four three speed. Uh. You know, Drew Locke has a huge arm, But there were times when Emmanuel Hall got vertical so quick that he had to wait for the ball. Wait for the ball. Yeah, He's just he can take the top off a defense. Um, and I think his underneath game matured this season, got a little more consistent finishing catches. So Emmanuel Hall to me going into Senior Bowl week, he is the top

senior receiver for me. Uh Andy Isabella's two Anthony Johnson from Buffalo, and then I have Deebo Samuel uh those are the top for for me. An interesting wide receiver I'm eager to see is Jalen Hurd from Baylord. Former Tennessee running back. Yeah, went to Baylord as a transfer, played slot receiver. Basically interesting guy with his frame? Is he? Ah? H back? Is he a slot receiver? Eager to see how he how he how they use him and then how he does throughout the week. I forgot about him? Yeah?

Is this this Washington State quarterback? A sleeper guy? Gardner Minshew Minshew a MUSTACHEA I mean, I know it's a bit with the mustache that, but he's I mean, and why I watched the Pac twelve games sure to kind of see that he can sling around? Is he People are comparing him to the quarterback that was at USC that the Browns Kessler? Yeah, Kessler is that? I know. It's the saddest Dane has ever been during the draft. I've never been, but he's been he's better than that, right,

people were comparing him to that is he? Uh yeah, I guess, I guess I could see that. I don't. The big thing for him will be getting him out of that Washington State offense. Yeah, that's you know, quick load and fire one read predeterm Amer stuff. So getting him out of that offense, to see how he performs when he has to work through progressions more. Um, you know, he doesn't have a great arm, he has a good arm. How will he how will he do next week? It's

a really good group of quarterbacks. You know. I mentioned Daniel Jones and Drew Locke at the top. You also have Jared Stidham from Auburn, Ryan Finley from NC State, Mary Jackson from from Buffalo. So the quarterback groups really interesting. And Gardner Minshew's you know, kind of like Trace McSorley, not going to be one of the top guys we talk about, as you know, top three or four round guys, but once we get into day three, could be an

interesting player. This is a funny aside, but I've got the h I have the Senior Bowl rosters pulled up on my laptop here and they got like a little banner picture of the huddle from last year. Front and center Michael Michael Gallup, which, hey, I know it's early, but the Cowboys have a tendency to take a hard look at these guys. Michael Gallup, Dat Prescott. I guarantee you I'm forgetting somebody else that it's on this team that played in this game. Recentthing Martin, Zack Martin, Well, yeah,

Zach Martin, Well and yeah. And I think with even like a guy like Michael Gallup, did we really expect them to be there in the late third No, I didn't, you know, no idea. And that was one of those where as soon as the pick at fifty was made, we were like, all right, this is gonna be a

long wait and that's off the board. Do the extensive work on all these Senior Bowl guys because you don't especially with one hundred and thirty some juniors coming out, it's gonna push you know, a guy like Kyler Murray coming out. That's great for the Cowboys. Yeah, you know, it's gonna push another guy down, So you know, you never know who might be there for your second third round. This is the game I learned about Ali Moore Pett yeah, from Hobart College. And I see right here there's a

young man named Corey Ballantine from Washburn. Yeah, who's gonna be the small school guys? Is are we gonna? You know? Is is that gonna be? Or is it? Keelan DAWs from UC You see Davis, Who's gonna be the one that small school guy that all of a sudden, I'm like going, Oh, I gotta watch some I gotta watch some Hobart films. Well, we talked about the Delaware safe who he's he's away. I'll give you three small school guys who I really liking could blow up after this week.

Titus Howard offensive tackle from Alabama State. Okay, they played Auburn this year and he played really well. Okay, he's a former tight end. I think he played exactly. I think he's a big time player. Um. Kaitlin Saunders defensive tackle from uh was it Western Illinois? Uh? He's big, he can move. Uh he plays with power's six two three ten Yeah, and so I think he's gonna have a big week. And then Alex Wesley from Northern Colorado speed guy, track guy. Um, but he's not just a

vertical guy. He can place him underneath, you know, crossers digs, that kind of thing. So those three underclassmen, or those three, excuse me, the small school guys. I think we'll be talking about more as we leave Mobile compared to as we go into the week. What are you looking forward to, Dave in the last minute or so here about your trip to Mobile next week? I mean I kind of alluded to it right there with the Michael Gallup things like.

It's just it's a really good bet that the Cowboys will have heavy interest in one of these guys to the point where they'll probably draft one. Zach Martin, Michael Gallup, Dak Prescott is the one I'll always remember. But somebody's going to stand out here that we will. You know, we're gonna cut the list down when we're talking about prospects. We're gonna cut it down to a couple of dozen guys that the Cowboys really like, and I'm curious to

see who it is. Receivers always stand out, Like I said, I mean during these practices that just favors that position. So I love I love the offensive defensive lineman one on one, especially if you're telling me there's good offensive lineman here. Yeah, that's some of the great battles we saw which Aaron Donald and Zach Martin at this place, y'all were talking about the Washington State tackle offensive tackle.

You talk about Corner being a sneaky need offensive tackle probably too stupe some good when Dalton Risner from Kansas State. Really good players, So a lot of good players. What I'm looking forward to most is Drew lock Firs, Daniel Jones, the quarterbacks the day do Montes Sweat we mentioned earlier form Missippi State? Does he live up to the building as being the top player there? And then this year adderly, Yeah, I put him at number twenty one overall on my board,

and I think he's the top safety. I'm a big believer in him. Um. I kind of got on that early back in October and I've been riding it ever since. Does he make me look like I know what I'm talking about it? Or does he have a rough week and come back to earth a little bit? So? Uh, those are the main things I'm looking forward to next week. My goal is to find five guys that I love who I can convince myself will be there at fifty eight because like I love Montes Sweat, he's terrifying, but

he's long gone. Yeah, he's so long gone it's not even funny. So yeah, see, this is a great thing about the draft, and you know, we don't know what's going to happen. The fact that the Cowboys don't have a first round pick right now, that could change in the blink of an eye. I mean, you can. You can manipulate this scene to get back in the draft. Trust me, It's not gonna be one of these things you could, but you could think you could gonna happen. I'm just saying, no, you have to be you have

to you have to have your work done. You have to be ready. You don't know when things are gonna flip. So again, if you also have to study up and the deeper round you have to study. That's what's gonna make this trapped a lot of fun. As always, it's we're gonna try and again investigate and educate the best we can. Okay, that is all the time that we have today. Hey, thank you guys out there for joining us.

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