Draft Show: 2018 NFL Combine Standouts

us today. I appreciate all the fine work guys like Kent Garrison and our engineers here at the Star did to get us on the air. It wasn't easy. We have a basketball tournament here, the Conference USA Basketball tournament is here at the at the Ford Center, and so there's a lot of things going on in the air, and that's what kind of got us knocked out. But we're back because we've got really skillful people that are

doing great things behind the scenes. You got myself, Brian Broughts, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and as I mentioned, Kent Garrison, executive producing guys. We just got back from the combine, had the workouts yesterday. We saw the linebackers, defensive lineman work on Sunday, and then we saw defensive backs workout yesterday, So those kids were flying yesterday. Huh. Best athletes of

the group. I mean, yeah, we had such a great first few days and then yes yesterday Monday, the DB's Dante Jackson, Denzel Warg, Alexander we had I think it was fifteen players under four to four, which is a record for the combine. It's these guys, these athletes are something else. Yeah, there's in David. I mean it was.

It's one of those things when you're watching those kids work out, and I'm always one of those guys that and we talked about this a bunch when we're Indie that you know, if if I could see it on tape, you know, if the workout, I mean, if I could see it, you usually could tell if a guy can really really run or not. And but there were some kids that that were that play that ran better than how they play on tape. And then there's some kids

that said, okay, yeah, hey these guys can play. You kind of get the match there with the two guys. So and I'm thinking about the Alabama kids that the two corners from Alabama and how different those guys were as far as the speed if you know, you know, with talking about Minka and Tony no with with well, I was thinking about the corners, is what I was

thinking about? Yeah, yeah, avorite you know was a was a official time of a fourth four three six and then you know, and then but though his teammate was in the four sixes, you know, so I mean I was just kind of thinking about you know, Levi Wallace. You know, they're both really really good players. So it's just kind of it's one of those things sometimes you see guys he's thinking, Man, he doesn't, he doesn't play

that way. He plays this way. But just your thoughts, though, Dave is as we wrap that thing up, um, light are my thoughts my? I mean, I think I said this when we were still up in India. Is I'm just confused. I can't. I can't wrap my head around

this draft class. And um the main thing for me is maybe you know, I don't, and maybe it's because I feel like we try to do such a good job of turning over every stone before we get up there, Like there's nobody, there's nobody who like really blew me away at the combine who I didn't already feel good about. There's no you know, I you know, a couple of years ago Byron Jones is the famous one he kind of like jumped into everybody's consciousness. I'm not. I'm not.

I'm not falling for it this year in terms of, like, there's nobody that really just stands out to me in terms of purely their combine. Uh So, you know, like you guys love to say you use this to cross check sure and that that works out really well and in a lot of these cases of these elite talents who had really great weekends at the combine. Other than that, I'm not, I'm not super surprised by anything I saw.

And the main thing is, um, I don't think it really did much to clear up this jumble of a draft, at least not to this point. Not in my opinion, kind of goes it kind of goes to the point that maybe that the top of this thing might not be is is. It's not easy. It's not easy at all. No, But but I kind of feel like though maybe when we're sitting in this studio on day two and then going into day three, we're gonna have some fun. Everybody loves the draft, but I know it's gonna be thrilling,

even in the first round. I think you think it's gonna be thrilling. Yeah, what drafts not thrilling? But I know the draft's thrilling. But I'm just saying, oh, you just I like, but do you kind of feel like it could go chalk? I mean, who we kind of? I mean I'm looking at your mock draft and I'm kind of thinking, Okay, I could see it go that way. I'm firstly a lot better coming out of this combine

about these players than I think I've ever felt. I don't know, I just I felt like what we sought the combine pretty much for the most part match what we on tape. There's a few guys I want to go back and look, you know, like Justin Reid from Stanford off tape gave him borderline top one hundred grade. Yeah, and he tested much better than he plays. Yeah, here's my quote always on read his name is better than playing. A name is better than tape. Younger brother of Verry Korey. Yeah, sure,

I just yeah, I actually I've watched him. Yeah, didn't blow me away. Um, you know, guys like Troyaki from Penn State safety who kind of fun to watch. Yeah, you know his tape is. I didn't get around to him until the week before the Combine, and I was pleasantly surprised because he can play. He's kind of a free safety or a strong safety and a free safety body. He doesn't play for three the time that he produced at the Combine. But he's not a bad athlete either.

He can run, he can hit. Not the best cover safety, but there's a place in the NFL for a guy like that, especially with what he can do on special teams. And this is a guy that signed with Penn State as a wide receiver, moved to safety, finally got on the field as a senior as a full time starter, and he took advantage of his opportunity. Him and Marcus Allen put together a nice little safety combo. And I

mean Penn State that program itself. If they had the Olympics for metals, not a great play, State would have won the They would been the going away for the medals. Penn Penn State people are gonna look back like like people love to give and they were on and they were on probation or they lost all those lost scholarship. Yeah, I mean all the things. Yeah, I mean, and hey, and we knew, we knew Berkeley, we knew I mean Gasecki to a certain degree. He performed even better than

we expected. But apkey, Grant Haley had a great Grant Haley, I mean, where did that come from? People are gonna I'm a big fan of Grant Haley. He's a good player. Like people make fun of LSU because Jarvis Landry and Odell and Jeremy Hill all played there and they didn't win anything. It's like, say, Quan and Gasecki and Chris Godwin and Hamilton, we're all on this team and y'all didn't win more stuff. And the best receiver from that team is an under classman who will probably see next

We'll be talking about next year at this time. My god, So Trace McSorley had plenty of talent around him, and then on defense, they were just missing, like that stud defensive lineman on that Penn State team because they had everything else combind to linebacker. The secondary is full of NFL dudes. Christian Campbell to corner didn't even work out. He'll work out the Pro day. He's an NFL guy. Wait, I want to hijack this for a second. I mean, okay,

it's a great three hundred marker Salad too. We didn't even talk about him. Safety. Three hundred and thirty six guys get invited all across the spectrum of the draft range. But do you and you feel confident about these guys because it matches what you've seen, But do you really feel like the first round's gonna be chalk? Because I think I just think what's gonna be. People are gonna lock in. I think it's gonna be nuts. I think it he's got this right, I mean it's not. I

don't think it'll be chalk. Well, I can break this thing down for you. You're talking about who are the wild cards in the first say fifteen picks. The thing is we're gonna have trades. We always do, and sure, but they're gonna trade. They're gonna trade for guys that they're gonna trade up for guys that are that should be picked. There. Let let okay, you're talking at least four, if not five, huge upset you think in the top fifteen huge upset. It's just it's where did the where

did the quarterbacks go? Okay, of course, but we kind of think that the quarterbacks are all top fifteen worthy, with the exception Worthies a separate conversation. But will they go tough? Okay, Okay, I could see all five doing that. Okay, when it's all set and done, I could see all five give me the upset in the top fifteen. Let's well,

let's think about this and then the other point. On top of all those quarterbacks, you got Quentin Nelson and Saquon Barkley, who are widely regarded as probably the top two prospects. Saw saw they play positions that people don't want to draft. And I have not seen I have not seen Quintin Nelson go any lower than nine. No, and he will. I would be surprised if you see. To me, that's an upset. It qualifies to me as

an upset. If Quentin Nelson goes to the Bears at eight, that's an upset based on everything y'all are telling me about how good this guy. Sure, but we saw some guys, some top five guys. I qualifies as an upset to me. If I think this draft starts after fifteen at Arizona, Yeah, I mean I get what you're saying, because I think we have. Are you just discounting the first half? I just think it's gonna date Bruglar. I think I keep looking at his mock draft, I think he's gonna be

right well, and I agree with about the players. I think some of the destinations and where they go, the marriages. Maybe that's what I'm trying to say is I don't think anybody's gonna be Who's gonna be Who's gonna be the upset guy, the one guy that I think it's messed us all up? Well, I'm gonna do an updated mock draft later this week, and spoiler, my Cowboys pick will be a guy we've been talking about as a top fifteen player in this draft. Oh, okay, a guy

that's gonna fall a little bits. Tease he's not. He doesn't play as college football in Tuscaloosa, does he? He plays his college football in the United States? Are you who? Uh? We'll tease that. We'll okay, I'll make sure and do that mock before Thursday, our next half show. We just talk about it. We can talk about that, um because we know you love to do mock drafts. Yeah, but mean out of the combine, it's only fair I'm serious. I'm serious. I get what you're saying, because, yeah, you

know the tremain Edmunds, Yeah yeah, the Denzel Wars. Yeah, you know Denzel Wars kind of get that. Go get a little rhythm now, but little Okay, draft, I want to clarify. I think Dane's got it right. I'm not gonna be surprised by the fifteen players. I love the draft, I mean, but I think we're gonna be very surprised by where those fifteen guys go. I really do. But whether it's trades, whether it's a guy falling, whether it's some I mean, you know, like to me and y'all

are free to disagree. But like, if Baker Mayfield goes in the top five, to me, that's surprising. But it might, I mean, some team might decide that's the way that they want to go. But it's the quarterbacks, right, that's kind of the wild cards quarterbacks every year. Like, and I think I don't think you can understand all the fact that, like I said, two of the most well rounded prospects in this class don't play sexy positions, at least not in terms of the top of the draft board.

So I don't know. It's going to be interesting. It will be interesting, especially with the quarterbacks and the trades

that we see. Again, first Domino that needs to fall as Kirk Cousins, if he goes to Minnesota, then all of a sudden, you know, the teams we've been talking about, like the Jets, the Broncos, teams that were potentially looking to get Kirk Cousins, they're going to be in the quarterback market in But if kirk Cousins goes New York, goes to Denver somewhere else, that eliminates a possibility in

the top fifteen. So it creates more intrigue about Buffalo using twenty one and twenty two to trade up somewhere in the top twelve to get their quarterback. It's it's really going to be fascinating see how it plays out. Let me let me ask you this, who walking away from the combine, is there one two couple names that stand out to you as guys that really helped themselves just compared to perception going into the combine. That's a

really good question. Paired to perception, well, I think that you know what, Let me ask you that perception being bad, bad, perception, perception. How about this, okay, how about Ward being short? Yeah, definitely. You know everybody's thinking, oh, he's a tiny guy. Well five ten and seven eighth so eleven yea and over thirty one. He's he's one of the best players in his draft if he if But everybody's perception was he was a tiny guy. I hate, you know, kind of exaggerating,

but he's a lock top ten pick. Sure, he is a lock. I'll say that right now. He is a locktop ten picks. You cannot get me one reason why he's gonna fall out of the top ten. I know he's not the biggest guy. He's not six two, five eleven's fine, that's good enough. So Denzel Ward. If you're doing a mock draft and Denzel war is not your top ten, just crumble it up, start over. I swear to God, I'm not doing this to just how to be a bit. I'm not trying to I'm not trying

to piss Dayan off. But I mean, how many guys grew two inches at the combine? I mean, not only did DJ Moore grow two inches compared to what everybody thought about him, our favorite wide receiver did too. He ran a solid, much faster forty time than a lot of people thought, so like two of the biggest things on him. He corrected very very himself. Well, no, yeah,

him too. It's yeah, who did you say? DJ? We'll say this about DJ Moore, right, you know, talking about a guy like Rashaun Golden who didn't run or perform as expected athletically. But I'm trusting the tape on now one because it's it's one. Yeah. On the flip side, as much as I love DJ Moore, he doesn't play like a four four two athlete on film. No, but I would agree with that. But I do feel good

about the forty time because it wasn't a four five six. Yeah, and he plays on tape we thought four five five Well, I mean I know I did. I can't speak for you on that. I thought on tape he was a four four eight to four or five two player, Okay, So, and yeah, I was a little worried that. You know, you just never know what the forty yard dash, you know, the start, the finish, and it's easy to screw that up as a you know, unless you have that track background.

But he was blazing and at the four four two. He doesn't play like that, so I'm not gonna just move him all the way up the draft board. But coming in taller than expected, that's definitely a big deal. And again top thirty. He was thirty overall my first draft board. Hit my second draft board, he will definitely be higher, mostly because of the height. Trying to think, who else do you like? I'll give you a guy. How about you like Chubbs numbers except for the three cone? Yeah,

is that amazing? This guy's the This guy is the best pass rushing the draft. Yeah, he's a top five pick, but we knew he's not a Von Miller guy, you know, quick redirection. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, though, you're buying into the fact he's a different type of rusher. Yeah, you know, he's a guy that can he has good get off, he can use his power mid rush. Uh, uses that length and that forward balance. He's not that quick redirection guy. He's gonna drop playing space. So the

three cone doesn't bother me too much much. Uh, he's a top five pick. Could you check the numbers on Tevin Bryan from Florida or a d lineman for nine eight that that doesn't seem like him, doesn't. Yeah that that he's a fantastic athlete. That's what I'm saying, though, I mean, there were some of these guys that I'm kind of looking at. I'm looking at it. I'm going you know, the twenty shuttle four for eight, that doesn't seem right for a guy like that that plays with

the explosiveness that he does. I know, and a lot of people ask me about him. He's the undertackle from Florida that people came to with with with the situation with Hurst and you know, our thoughts with him. But now, okay, some of these three techniques are going to be I mean, he's he could be very well one of those guys that's in the mix for that, you know. Yeah, I mean I don't know. I'm with you though. I like Davin Bran with you. I love what you just did.

He didn't even let him say anything. Oh I knew what he was doing, you know, my side by Now I knew it's work when you work with somebody for five years and you and you and you know exactly what he's gonna say. I get it. Yeah. My comparison for Tavin Bryan is Robert Candici not off the field. On the field. Yeah that's good. Yeah, good clarification, you know, and that one a very athletic pass rusher who there's some discipline issues again on the field, not off the field. Uh,

just doesn't really know what he's doing. You. Flashes are great, but again you're just if you're taking him in the top twenty five, you're banking on the rest catching up because he's for him to live up to that, I have a draft pick, uh what about you know, we didn't really get a chance to as a draft show to recap uh some of these defensive positions. Yeah. A guy that really stood up for me yesterday Monday with

their dB group was Gyre Alexander from Louisville. Yeah, talking to me, he made a name for himself for sure in my Good Football Player my first draft board, he was nineteen overall as my my number four corner. I had Minca, Denzel Ward, Mike Hughes, and then Gayre Alexander top twenty pick. And you know, I I heard it from a lot of people because I had him ahead of Jackson. I heard a lot of people asking me about that, and coming out of the combine, I feel

even stronger about it with the way they performed. And Gi Alexander not the biggest guy, just a hair over five to ten, Yeah, but fourth, three, eight and the forty great numbers across the board. He's the short shuttle. He's a big time player. Yeah that's six was it? Six? Seven one in the three cone? Yeah? Come on, you know what I would, I would short shuttle. Yeah. So I'm saying I would push you. I would you, and

I would Roman Greco wrestle. If you said that you had him over, if you didn't have if you had Jackson over him, Well, if you Josh Jackson your least favorite big time prospect. I love that king kid last year from Iowa and I and I and I respect the heck out of Iowa players. That Joe, that Jewel. I don't care what he runs. Throw on the tape. He's a good player. Yeah, say that's what I'm saying. Throw on the tape. Put on the tape. These guys make plays. Just throw on the tape. See that's again.

I Alexander the whole time, I was like, well he ran that. I'm just kinda so that's what he that's how he is. That's the type of player he is. This tape will tell you a lot if you just watch it, as long as the medicals are Okay, he's he's a top twenty player. Please. Well he plays cornerback too. I mean yes again, not the biggest guy. You can't discount that. Uh. And then one other guy who we might need to wrest, Dante Jackson. We might wrestle over

this one, Layton Vanderesh. Some of those numbers, man, Oh, I'm just I'm gonna lose sixty four, two hundred and fifty six pounds thirty four inch arms. Well, I am not going to go down the Joey Bosa path on this four sixty five forty yard dash thirty nine and a half in verse six, eight eighty three cone. Good for him, this is that's impressive. I'm glad. I'm glad that I like. I don't watch the Cowboys take that guy. I'd have to watch him play for four year. You

won't be there at fifty. I promise you that I don't pretend to be a scout. So, oh, nineteen, you can't rule it out. Nineteen he's gonna I think I asked you for shocking things in the top fift there's a better chance he goes late first round than early second. Okay, I agree late so I nineteen is That's what I'm saying. If he's gonna go late first round, then he at least needs to be walk. I wonder if I walk the draft if if he if he used to pick you,

just leave the studio. I take my headset off, just finish it out that we'll see great story is a great kid. You'll love him here in Dallas. I watched him. I watched him play, and I didn't come away impressed. But if if Dane tells me he's a guy, I'm

just gonna trust the expert. I watched his first the first half of the season, and I was, he's gonna but you know doesn't get Then you watch that Oregon game and you fell in love with him because they couldn't block him because they kept messing up the second level block. Not just as the Oregon game, but the second half of the season. I thought, he I saw, I will sit down to watch Hutter. I will sit down and watch him. I see a guy where the

light bulb is illuminating. It's getting brighter and brighter and brighter. The more I say, I'm telling you he was his his first year as a starter. Don't you see things clear? You're a gut scout. You're a gut scout. Aren't all scout? No? No, he's he is a gut scout. He is. He uses his eyes, but he's a gut scout. You're gut about him. Initially I think is I think you're going to be right there? Initial your initial thought. Well, but again that was based on earlier in the season. Okay, and then

again I went back and watched the second half. That's where I got, Okay, he's doing these things. This is the problem. You start in December January when we start start start like crawfishing on these guys. Oh no, I

didn't have I didn't have this. You should learn a lesson from twenty seventeen and embrace yourself for them to draft a guy you might not like that much at nineteen saying is there anybody Layton vandersh anybody that we weren't talking about extensively at nineteen before the combine that we should be now as a possibility, speaking of how come Dane's asking all these great questions when you're the host? Huh? No, this is this is dealing the carpet right out from underneath. No, no,

I asked those questions. I thought we asked those questions when we were breaking the other. That's well, I did ask that question. I don't want to notions that come up during dinner and at the combine exactly. That's Day and Dave are powering down a tomahawk chop. I can't believe we had to talk you into them. I'm still sweating over Let's I don't know. It's good. That's good conversation. That's what we do. No, let's well, let's really think

about that. Okay. Alexander, which this team doesn't need a cornerback at nineteen, but Alexander's a name that comes to mind. Hughes,

Mike Hughes. What about Harold Landry? Oh, and he doesn't have the size dimensions this team looks for if they but he's a first round give him your watch, give him your wat discussion, give him the smaller than what he's He's smaller than what and identical in all of his in all of his analytics, like everything about him that is that gonna fly over on that side of the building. Other than the fact that he put his ho you were right about what you were right about what.

I give you credit for what you're right about him. But I'm just let's let's let's just how many times you're gonna get hit over the head before you realize what's going on? No, I trust I'm throwing it out there. I know, but heya tell me this, Dan, based on what we saw from Harold Landry, right, based on what we saw from Harold Landry, is it realistic to think he's there at nineteen? Uh? This is not a strong This is not a strong pass rusher close you have think, guy,

you're gonna mock. No. I mean he could go he could go green Bay, he could go Washing thirteen. I've seen him in green Bay linked a lot, and it seems like green Bay still played a three four right, yeah, Pett, Yeah, I just you know, and and hey, I'll be right here to admit that I'm wrong when I'm wrong. But it's it would be so weird if a year after they pass on what because of his measurables, they decide to draft the same type of player. All right, well,

here we go here one year later, same spot. Uh, Harold Landry six O two three, two fifty two. Okay, yeah, Marcus Lawrence six or two seven, two fifty one untill a half inch is the difference? What's your reach? What's your reach? Thirty thirty two and seven eights on that arm, I don't know. De Markus Lawrens in front of me, let me yeah, I can look it up. Yeah, or Draft twenty fourteen. Although this is where I point I'm gonna call it. I'm gonna call Landry's thirty two and

seven eights, so thirty three. Yeah, This is where I point out that DeMarcus was pick thirty four. I don't know if that makes it. I mean, that's a half a round. They traded up for him, they did, they did still other Raiders, and I was all for that. I mean, I I gave de Marcus Lawrence the first round grade, so I was all all in favor of

that move. I'll tell you him at nineteen though, yeah, I mean, i'd love to say I'd love to say yeah, but again I'm kind of thinking of what, you know, why Dave's point is, why would they This has nothing the kitchen, This has nothing to do with the player. I mean, and you know, I mean, and hey, I mean, it's love the guys over there, but the same as saying, you know, Drawn Payne at nineteen yeah, right, yeah, Are

they going to value that enough to take him at that? Well, that's the one thing that Stephen Jones told you that if the guy has got three technique traits, they would do it if he was a one. So I mean, I I that's kind of one of those things that I'm kind of I'd love a Landry. I Lawrence was thirty three and three quarters? Okay, so is the quarters different defensive coordinator here too? I think, um, I think

that was technically Rod's first year. Is that Rod's first year, Rodd's first year after getting promoted, So it's it's it's worth talking about. I'm not completely ruling it out. Let me ask you this, ask you guy, did Let me ask you about Davenport. Did he help himself a ton with the four five eight? I think he he's probably going to go ahead of Landry. I would guess he's got the same twenty shuttle as Uh Chubb. I believe

he met with the cowboys up there, for whatever that's worth. Yeah, he definitely fits the more of the size dimensions of what this team's looking for too, Is there not? Before we get way too departed from the original question, is there a guy that we had not mentioned in that realm of possibility that we've covered the receivers, we've covered the guards, we've covered the one technique, we covered the three until he had the condition. I get, Well, my

main thing is there we've talked about safety. Would you would you? Because everybody wants James, but I just don't see that happen. It's not James is not going to be a consideration here because he won't be there, not because this team won't like him quarterback. Yeah, sure, lamar Um Actually on the radio this morning, Let's say Quentin Nelson goes high and then Isaiah Wind goes eighteen to see Adol. Well, Hernandez, is he consideration for you? He had a great combine. Yeah, I know, I know, I

know you wouldn't want to do it. I wouldn't, but yeah, yeah, absolutely, yes, put him in that mix. Well, okay, my third best guard. We're still talking about guys that we've talked about, though, I'm like, how about okay, Like, and we've talked about him too, but maybe not at nineteen like we talked about the line back to some depth. That's what I'm saying, is Rashaan Evans do anything for you. Not at nineteen.

He could be there, you could be in considerate. I mean him and vander Esh are both in that late first See he's got the vander Esh thing. He's got that train going forward. What about Ronnie Harrison? No, no, no, I mean no, no, no, Yeah, I've got other safeties I like better than Harrison. Okay, just that's just but that's me that might not be there trying to cover my bases here. Yeah, where would you have Harrison? This relation to the safeties, it's your second best safety, third

best safety. Uh seconds, he's in the mix. He's in the second round mix with Golden and Beats. Yeah, watch that kid last. I mean, hey, real quick, okay, I'll tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna take We're gonna take a break. We gotta take a break. Here, take a break. I want to get some of your Twitter questions and then we got tell me more. Yeah, okay, so we'll do that. We'll do we'll take a break, come back, We'll give everybody a little chance to reset.

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and then we'll get in some tell me more. Okay, Um, all right, well this is a good one, um, based on when we were just talking about um, Will Hernandez, Marcus Davenport and DJ Moore all had awesome combines. Right, who's the better grab at nineteen in a situation where all the or obvious options are wiped out? I mean, just in general, I'm taking Davenport. But yeah, where's your playing on this team? Playing? Pay you playing you? Try him out the right? I mean the left end is

playing at the right end, and move Taco to left. Yeah, that's what Taco is generally playing as the left could be the swing guy there. Uh, you know, I think if I had to not think, I know, my higher grade would be more, I believe than on the other two. Yeah, yeah, so that would be for me, more would make a lot of sense. Davenport would be my highest grade. And then I've Hernandez and More are gonna be really closer

to go that. That's yeah, you can go. But those are three out if either one of those, any of those guys get the nineteen. Let's if those are your wipeout options. Yeah, that's not a lot. Not a bad thing, not a bad thing, ge gabs. We speaking of combine winners, we didn't mention our friend Shakim Griffin. Yeah outside the combine? Yeah, yeah, Where where would you draft him if he had two hands?

That's the question here, I mean, which you know, we're talking he's climbed into third fourth round consideration with one. So you tell me, I mean assuming that he you know, could take on blocks and use that reach and do all that. I don't know, top fifty Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I me personally though. But the guy had seventy some tackles I believe this year with one hand. Yeah, does that mean he has one hundred and forty. But that's the thing. I don't know if you can that's bad man.

We can't assume just you can't you would hell no, But I'm just saying I me personally, I would have no problem putting him in the second round. Yeah, with two hands. Sure, absolutely, if it wasn't it, you know, but I still love the player. I talking to teams going into the combine fourth fifth round was kind of the feeling, now, if he goes top one hundred, no

one should be shot. Was to be shocked. No, again, probably a sub package player, but you need those guys plus what brings the locker room absolutely what a great story. Ye special requests from our buddy Bobby. Which that's a

good question. That shapes a lot about the way the draft process works out in these NFL front offices, which is basically, how do teams reconcile the difference of opinions between coaching and scouting and how does you know how is it that you wind up with so many differences of opinion anyway, Yeah, that's the tough thing. There's coaches. I mean, Parcels wanted nothing to do with the coaches

in the room. He just took the coach's opinion out of the room, and then I was when I first came here, we were a very highly driven, coach dependent scouting department, even though we had guys that were really good and are still here. Some of these guys that are still good scouts are hanging in here. But that's a very difficult question because you don't want to just totally eliminate a coach's opinion because when I was in

Philly and ninety eight, I needed those coaches. Sean Payton helped me so much line up the quarterbacks and stuff. So yeah, you have to teams know which coaches can scout and which ones can't. You know, if you're a really savvy general manager a personnel guy, if a coach comes into pinion, you're like, okay, I need to think about this, or another coach would come in you're going, all right, I'm gonna move on. You know, you need to know the makeup of the coach to have to

have some balance. If you draft a player the coach doesn't like, it might be a wasted pick because he's not going to play him the way he needs to it. Really, the biggest thing is just making sure you're on the same page. You know, an example from last year the Browns, they draft your Bill Peppers in the first round. He played forty yards off the line of scrimmage. It's a free safety. Something he's never done before. Something is skill set is not. That's not what he's his strengths are.

He's more of a box player. They I mean, I Cleveland didn't have a free safety in the roster, so he got stuck there. But that's not what you draft him in the first round. Fright, it looks like a wasted pick. Not I didn't hate the pick by the front office, but the coaches weren't you know, on board with you know what he does as a football player. That's we always talk about the triangle. The Jones is at the top, the coaches, the scouts will in the middle.

Try and figure that out though. That's the best way to work. Got time for one more. Absolutely, Calvin Ridley didn't blow the combine away by any stretch with so Ross wants to know, you know, given the traits that we saw, what is it about him that that allows him to get separation and slashed? You know? What makes him the number one wide receiver prospect? In the draft.

I know the explosion numbers weren't great. Thirty one inches nine too broad, So the explosion numbers weren't great four four three and the forty yard dash, okay, that's blazing, and then the three cone six eight eight. So the strength of Calvin Ridley, We've said it a million times, is his front running. Yeah, he's polished. He knows how to get open before and after the catch, and that

shows with the combine data. I know he didn't have the great jumps, but again that his strength of the football player showed in Indianapolis, and that's I have no issues with him. People are overthinking Calvin Ridley. I mean the lack of production. Do you think that? Do you think that's because there isn't Okay, you say what you will about DJ Moore, but there hasn't really been an

alternative in the conversation. I mean, you know, right, most years you have most years you have two or three guys to choose from in terms of who you like the best. This year and the last two or three years, it's been a bust filly well, but I think that's misleading because if you take it back five then it looks a hell of a lot better. You know, like three last two years have been rough, but it's been last two yars have been rough. Yeah, especially for guys

going in the top half of the draft. But typically you have about four guys that you can really make the case for it, and this year it's more like one and a half. People just need to be realistic with Calvin Ridley. But all right, if we don't have time to get to anybody else, yeah, first first edition of tell me More So Yeah, sorry about that, folks, Really am what I did. And hey, if we whatever we don't get to, we can answer on another show, um more than anybody else. So what I did was

I went back and looked at Combine performances. Yeah, that really jumped out to me from guys that I had had no idea who they were. Right, guys we've never talked about. I don't think I've heard this name. I'm going to read off the measurables. First six five, two seventy five, thirty three and three quarter inch arms not basically ten inch hands. Ran a four seven three forty had a thirty two point five vert, had a seven point two three cone. These are freaky numbers and I've

never heard this dude's name. Tell me more about Southern Cold and Rashim Green. How are you? Yeah, he's a Day two player, he's, but he's more of a more of a flash player right now. You're drafting him based on the traits, not necessarily the tape. Is the tapes inconsistent? These traits are great, yeah they are, But what is he? Is he an interior player? Is he? Because get the wait again? H six five two seventy five? Yeah? So what where is his best spot? He might be best

at a five technique and a three to four. When you look at him, you watch the tape, the technique, the discipline, it's it's in the development phase for him right now. He's still figuring all that all that out. But you know, I don't think he's gonna come in. He's not gonna like the world on fire in the NFL. He's I'm not sure he's ready for NFL snaps. He really should have gone back to school. But again, the traits are really impressive, and someone's gonna take him in

the second round. He probably almost have a red shirt ear as a fresh or, as a as a rookie, and then you know, year two might have a really good player doesn't have great bend. When you watch him rush, he he doesn't bend all that well. And he's better when he could play on the move. When he slam him down inside stuff. Dang's right. When you play him inside, he seems to be a bit more disruptive. We can be in the pocket, but he doesn't find the ball

all that well. I saw a guy that always was kind of in personal battles and the ball is going by him and I'm like, going there it goes, you know. So, Yeah, the numbers, he's a good looking guy on tape. Physically he looks like a great looking players. I mean that number ninety four sits on him really nice. Yeah, But the fact of the matter is he dangts right. He just is not that good of a football player right now. Well, and he has his moments because he did have ten

saxes year. He was him in mad Offer with the only two in the Pac twelve that a double digit sacks. So he has some production, but it came in spurts. Yeah, not any consistency. I I don't know. I mean, he I could say I watched Ohio State Arizona notre name in Colorado, and I came away with I didn't come away with a guy. I thought a guy more than as a left end than I did a right end. Right. Yeah, sacks, team needs left ends too. I said about Taco, all Um,

all right, this guy, Dane's gonna know this guy. Dane has seen this guy because Dan was at the Shrine game and we weren't. But he ran at four four five at six three, two hundred, So tell me more about Oklahoma State safety Trey Flowers. Really surprised he ran that fast because yeah, play that fast four five four guy coming out and he he looks like a strong safety. So I'm surprised that he didn't get over two hundred pounds because he's really thick. Um. But I don't trust

him in coverage. Uh, he's got some issues there and as a run defender, it's very up and down. I don't know I saw a Day three player, but the gods are good. Yeah. No, he gets fooled on double moves. You watch this guy playing coverage and all of sudden they're running double moves, they're behind him. He does his cousin got him yea and bed them. Yeah. He doesn't take flowers, he doesn't take the best angles. He doesn't always play with his eyes. There's time where he'll turn

really leggy. Guy, he's real tass. He's got this leggy backpedal in it takes him a little bit of time to turn it. I thought he's a little slow to react as well. So I think Dane's right though with the Day three stuff. My comparison for him Cavon Frasier, that was in my report. That's why I wrote as a comparison for him. Cavon's not that tall though. No, the size dimensions don't really match up. But that the play style, yeah, play style, Yeah. Can he hit like Cavon?

He can? Ye? No, no, No, he's a physical tackler. Guy's a physical, physical player. All right. This is I mean, we know this guy. He was a Senior Bowl guy. I don't care. I feel it. I feel like we talked about him a lot at the Senior Bowl. Although he did play well, and then he goes out and runs a four or four six. I love this guy's tape, but I want y'all to tell me more about Florida corner Duke Dawson. It's my guy. He ran faster and expected. Sure did. That's what I'm saying, he sure did. He's

one of a handful of Nichols five. Yeah, not the biggest guy, but again, put him in the nickel and he's tough. He's physical at the top of rounds. He can test everything thrown his way. There's a lot to like about Duke Dawson. Yeah, I'm okay. I think Danes got him right there. I think this guy moves pretty easily though I'm just looking at my notes. He has a feel for how to stay in position, you know. And I think he's a very competitive guy. I saw

a balance, I saw body control. Dane's right about playing the slot. I think he gets his eyes around for the ball too. I mean there's times when you see him like he's gonna carrying a guy and he looks back and there's the ball, and I like to change the direction. I think he'd work in and out of routes. I thought he needed to tackle better. That's that was one of my kind of my things about him though. But I like that the physicality of the player, the reaction.

I just wish he would tackle a little bit better. Better nickel defender him or m J. Stewart, North Carolina. Brian likes MJ. I like m J. Stewart, but I will I'll take Dawson. I will. You got him both day two? Yeah, I do. All right. We're not gonna get Derwin James, which is why I keep looking at safeties, which Dane brought this guy up today, which made me really happy. Six one two h six ran a four four one six point eight nine three cone thirty eight

and a half vert. Tell me more about Arizona safety Dane crookshankka Hey, great name, Dane Crookshank reminds me of Harry Potter. Awesome, love it all the way around. Uh is a good player. Yeah, where do you play? Yeah, that's really the biggest question because he can move kind of like a corner a little bit. He played that overhang spur defender for Arizona. But he's got speed, he does,

and you know me about it. Yeah, And you know the think about him is though you see the change of direction for the guy when they when they run routes underneath, he can like adjust they try and run like option routes. He's like can pivot get back inside. I was trying to figure out where to play. I think he's a strong safe. I think it's strong. Yeah. I think he's a strong safety because you want to

play him down. I think he's big enough and physical enough to handle tight ends and stuff like that too. You put him in the top one hundred, Yeah, I think that that's a good chance. That's where he's gonna come off the board somewhere. It's second, third round, absolutely eighty one. He's in a conversation, all right, that's strong safety. Hey, thank you guys, thank you, thanks to everybody out there. Sorry about all the delays and stuff. We'll be back

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