Draft Show: 2018 NFL Combine Preview

combine e for us. Will you leave tonight? Yep. I fled India tonight and David and myself why didn't we do that? I don't know, because now we gotta get up at four thirty in the morning to catch its flock flight. It's okay. You like that though, like I do the old man and you I do. You dig getting up as early as humanly possible. I do. I enjoy, like to enjoy trying to see you'll make it to the airport on time. Oh, I'll be there to test with bells on. It's a test, David. You need to

kind of be ready to roll. I feel like I've been the first one there the last two years or was it last year where I think I kind of you, kind of you and kids? Ye, Ken squeaked on Yeah, yet seconds before I think Ki had a strange look on his face when he was the last one honest at the door behind. When you get there two hours early and still don't make it, yeah, that was the security line. I wasn't need to figure out the shorter security line. I get there four hours early. We've we've

still haven't done our tsa pre check. You need to go a little further up. Don't always go to the one school further all right, we'll figure it out. We'll be there, I know you will. We'll be there looking forward to that. It is, like I said, a combine week. So I do want to get into some combine. Uh some dudes, some don't, some good, some bad. Some help me Dane Brugler, Yeah, this is the big combine preview.

Try to set the stage so you know what you're looking for with respect, and let's just get right into it. You know, I think most people know what the combine is, but really you can when you think about a break up in the four different categories. You have your medicals, which are the most important by far. That's why the combine was created back in the eighties. It was so you know, these prospects wouldn't have to go city to city, uh, you know, getting looked at by a doctor here, doctor there,

Mr here. I did just do it one central location, It's true and India. A big reason they do it in India is because of the amount of medical equipment within a you know, a mile radius, so it is. It is one of the great cities ever. The combine was invented. Indie was invented for this combine. Well, I

mean Indie is a is a great town to begin with. Yeah, but the way that they're the way the hotel situation, well it's convention center, yes, the walking ability, the hotels, the hospitals, the workout facility, everything that you need to bring a massive amount of people to one central location and make it work as smoothly as they do. Right, Indianapolis is a perfect city even in the winter and

there exactly. And not to mention, they've been doing it there so long they've almost got it down to a science. I mean, it's one of the few cities in this country that you can drop me in the middle of it, and I'll find any ef I know where everything is. I've been going there since ninety two. Find your way to the webber grew I know exactly. Saturday night, eight pm. By the way, you're canned chicken. You're canned chicken. Gosh, I hope they have at this time. I will be

really the pretzel rules. I'm gonna eat so many pretzel rules. But anyway, but no, but the central the fact of the medical right, that's first and foremost, what's most important. That's why the combines created, and that's that's what matters the most. Number Two, the interviews. Yeah, a chance for coaches, general managers, scouts to go in one of these guys. Absolutely, and this is for a lot of these players the

first impression the scouts have been on the road. But for general managers, head coaches, especially with these juniors, guys that weren't at the Senior Bowl, guys weren't at during you know, the All Star circuit. Chance to sit down with them, we watch tape together. You know, Okay, you know, what's what kind of technique us in here? What's the

name of this play? Run them through the tape, run them through you know, whiteboard, different things like that, find out more about who they are as a person, their personality. It's really a chance to make a great first impression

with the head decision makers of each team. And then, of course the third would be the sexy part of the event, which is the forty yard dash, the agility drills, the positional drills, what we see on the field, A chance for the players to put quantitative data next to kind of the you know, the tape tape, what scouts have been looking at for the last eight nine months.

A chance to put numbers to that, to compare and contrast these guys, which you know we can overrate at times, but at the end of the day, it's just a way to kind of cross check what you see on tape, A chance to okay, well, this guy ran four five five, I thought he was more of a four four or five bright athlete speed in the forty yard dash, so a chance to kind of cross check yourself. And then of course, fourth would be the measurements. Chance to get

exact height, weight, length, hand size, wingspan, everything else. All the measurements on these players, especially the juniors. A lot of the seniors we have numbers from either from the spring right and then y'all Star circuit, but then also with the underclassman guys that we don't have exact measurements on a chance to do with the combine. So brief four categories, and we'll start by kind of going through

each category and who are important names to watching. Yeah, let me add a fifth category and I'll let you comment it real quick. I want to get back, but let me add the fifth category. The element that we're a part of the media side of it, which become a firestorm. Yes, yeah, you know, I mean you get you know, you get some guys that you get some you know, these players, they bring them through, they put

them at the pod. There's been there's been times where I remember with golf, the quarterback, the rams and how the small hand size. As questions came from the media, it was a lot of back and forth. There a lot of questions about medical I remember Jalen Smith, Yeah, a lot of questions about his knee what and he was trying to answer that. They just kept firing questions

at him, you know. And so there's that fit. There's that fifth element that's really not club level, but it is part of what the players have to go through now, right, and it yeah, I mean it can it does. It can give you some some fun insight into these guys and like what their makeup is and how well they handle that some, I mean so many of these guys. If you play at even a moderately large college program, I feel like you should be used to that by now.

But you know, like I mean, Jared Goff was like mad, he was mad. Yeah, it's fun and I've uh in a weird I was so impressed rested by Joey Bosa when he went through all that, which like he was goofy and like he didn't have like that polot, like that professional polish, but like he just handled it with like this goofy ease. That was just really impressive. Like it just kind of just you know, dirt off his shoulder. He seemed like he just walked off a beach somewhere surfing. Yeah,

just you know, just that's the meaner his his tones. Yeah, I agree with it, but it is fascinating because you know, they're they go through a lot of media training and all that, but during interviews with teams, they need to be open as as as possible as I can. But with the media, you had to be even just a

little guarded about what you say. And you know, I remember it was it two years ago when with the Old miss players with Laramy Tunsel outed one of the other guys, yeah about oh man, Yeah, Kim dic all his questions were about like jumping off of the balcony all this other stuff. So you have to you want to be open, but you want to you have to be a little guardard as well. And it's just all

part of the media parts. So yeah, that's no, that's that's a good point to add it to the week that these players have to you know, part of the gauntlet they have to go through. I think another interesting thing for us, and it's not so much for the players and stuff. What I enjoy the combine is the fact that we bump into people that we know professionally

have friendships with. You know, you might go around the corner and talk to somebody that you know you hadn't seen in a while and get a you know, I was, I was asking a lot of questions last year about Joe Mixon, you know, and we and we, you and I, we all had our back and forth about Joe Mixon. Where he would go and stuff. But the combine again

brings everybody together. They interview the coaches, the general manager, the head coach, general managers, club presidents, people who get up there who are responsible for their team, and you can kind of learn a little bit about that and maybe when you get them off on the side. I'm interested now that John Gruden's back in the mix, right, you know, I'm gonna be interested in going and talk to him and kind of get his perspective on some

of these players. I mean, I know he's already dove into a little bit of what they're gonna do and stuff like that, kind of get his idea. But that's one thing the great thing about the combine. It does get everybody to get Okay, with all that being said, though, go through and kind of give me an idea of how you want to break this thing down. How how do you want to how would you going in approach

and of all the categories, how would you do that? All? Right, Well, let's and let's include your fifth category in the team interview. So that's just part of it, right exactly, so we can talk about it. So let's do the four categories. Let's start with the medical and let's talk about a few players that they need a good week and Indie when I go through that, uh yeah, and they have to do over three hundred MRIs they have to do so it's quick and yeah. I remember last year with

Ruben Foster that was not good. A little bit quick enough, not quick enough. Yeah, I mean it goes deep into the night. It's a grueling process that really test your patients. But a few guys that we need to I I mean Josh Rosen to me, one of the first guys that comes to mind, missed second half of last year with the race shoulder injury. Uh he and then he missed couple of games his past year with concussion. Durability wise,

and he worries long term with him. I mean that's a big part of his evaluation along with I mean when we talked about Josh Rosen here when we get to the interview process as well. But for the quarterbacks, Josh Rosen one of the best in his class. Durability a question mark. The running backs, you know, these guys get beat up. They do. Nick Chubb. Chub had that knee injury as a sophomore. Absolutely, what's going on there? Is any long term effects. I mean we mentioned it

any last show. JG I E. That was an issue with him. He fell to the fifth round. Chubb the second round talent. Could he slip a little bit because of any questions with the knee? Carrie on Johnson his shoulder he got pulled up quite a bit. Sure, did Mark Walton, a guy we both like. We do like Mark Walton almost all the season with the Miamile by the way, I'm right, I'm sorry, Yeah, with the right

ankle injury. Anything worried about with the right ankle. So the running backs, we know, those guys get beat up. Something to watch there. Um, And it's it's quite a crew too, you know, because everybody you know, if you're not it's there's a couple of the first round guys we've talked about. It's I'll be interested to talk to some scouts general managers and kind of what order they

see these guys. Yeah, well you know, yeah past years, you know where exactly ranked with a zeke with the right because see there's like you know, Ronald Jones from USC. I wonder if he's really second on a lot of people's boards. I wonder if it's if guys that's Johnson. I mean all these names of guys, well, not just the order, but depending on who you talk to. I mean, you got some people who have one first round running back,

oh sure. And then I mean I've I've heard as many as like three or four first round grades on running backs, spending on how you feel about guys like Guys and Jones. But it goes back to the combined in again. You know, the medical questions a lot of some of these top guys have, Yeah, might keep people away from maybe taking them a little bit earlier than

we might thinks. Being one of them, Yeah, he kind of got banged up with the knee in the or was it fall camp, right, and I kind of plagued him a little bit his final year in an LSU. So yeah, no, absolutely, with these running backs and the wide receivers. Anthony Miller, a player we've talked about from Memphis, Memphis right, player we talked about maybe could be on the Cowboys radar on Day two, had the foot issue in the bowl game, his final game as a collegiate player.

Was out for the Senior Bowl. Everyone's kind of been hush hush on the severity of the injury. Is it going to affect him moving forward? We need to get an update on Anthony Miller. That would be big for his draft status. Yeah, I'll tell you what I got him like as a second round guy right now. But but then again, it's in that second round where we're talking about the gallop from Colorado State, Uh, you know Washington, James Washington from Oklahoma State. I mean, I'm no closer

right now to sorting those guys out. My I kind of have it. I think Miller's I think Miller's a hell of a player. I think he's a hell of a player. But again, if it comes back when you're telling me my doctor's saying, well, Brian, hey, you gotta be this is long term, this is gonna be you know now now does he is he still? Is he still in the mix with those guys kind And that goes back to like what an event the combine has become.

I mean, the teams are going to get this information and make decisions off it anyway, But like the media and public perception is such a big part of this. Like ten years ago, nobody's nobody outside the you know, front offices, is talking about Anthony Miller's injury. But now it's like and and players have like strategies of like how they address it, how much they're talking, no, say he's going to get a question or two. Oh absolutely, and like and you gotta be we should ask it. Yeah,

you know, this happens every year there. I mean, you've brought up Jalen Smith, Miles Jack As another guy was Jack. There you go, there was somebody last year too that I'm drawn or um John Ross was a guy with the injuries in his history. He had a bad first

year or two he did. But it's just it's fascinating that, like, you know, if you've got those problems in your past, you've you've got to have a strategy for how you're going to approach it because it's such a visible event now as opposed to ten fifteen years ago, it's just some teams asking you about your injury history. It's way more than that. And we're sitting in the Hoosier Dome looking around thinking they'll never have this on TV. You know,

a kidding me shows what you know exactly? I know was what mid nineties, Yeah, I mean nineteen ninety five. I'm sitting there thinking and I'm talking about who's your dome or the RCA Dome. It was before there was a Hoosier Dome when it started, then it went RCA and then yeah, and then again there were like ten twelve guys covering this thing. Now, now you're gonna have Brian brought us getting mad at everybody in the convention center. I've been I've been with Goose Gosselin before when yeah,

he's just furious that all these people encroached on his territory. Yeah, it's just yeah, we'll get into it. But yeah, ten it used to just be still walk hanging out with a bunch of scouts all week. I used to walk out of the holiday in there where the players stayed, and I would walk with Goose for maybe four blocks, and he did that with everybody. He would find somebody and he'd walk four blocks, walk back, walk four blocks, walk back. But it was ten twelve guys covering the

whole thing. And then where it was word like, oh, the media's outside. Well, now the media's outside across the street in the convention center about three thousand deep. Yep, it's crazy. Okay, next category you want to kind of get into, well, a few more medical guys. Yeah, Harold Andrey, Yes, you know he didn't have the senior year we expected from Boston College. First run pass rusher. But what's going on with his ankle, the lower body? Anything to worry

about moving forward? H Kimoko Terray Terray, Oh, my guy from Rutgers, from Rutgers who I really like him a lot. How do you know? With that athletics and he just looks good on tape physically looks good because he's impressive. A guy that played basketball in high school, didn't play football until his senior year, and he blew up as a freshman. Then he had some shoulder issues sophomore junior year, played well as a senior. But any long termission? Yeah right.

Nathan Shepherd from Fort Hay State that hand broke the hand a senior ball Senior Bowl. Good player there too. Yeah. Definitely a few guys at linebacker. One of our favorites, Jack Sitchy, linebacker from Wisconsin, Huge Wisconsin. Yeah, hasn't played since October of two, un sixteen. Yeah, what did you think about him? We watched him the other day. I like him a lot. I liked him before we watched Like we watched him together. But okay, but I like him as a player, Like I mean, like I said,

I think I said this last week. I comparisons are dangerous whatever. Like he reminds me of Borland, Like he's Oh, he's a smart that was my pet cat from several years ago. Concussion got him. He's a smart, physical player, like he'd typical Wisconsin guy. Like he's not gonna wow you with like this insane athleticism, but he's just always in the right spot. Yeah, I hope the medical is good on him. A few more. Linebacker shaun Dion Hamilton

from Alabama. Guy's really talented, but back to back years he's had a season ending injuries to his right knee. And so what's going on with that? Um? Dear clear? Yeah, corner Gayer Alexander had his knee issue this year, missed a good portion. Yeah, second round pick though in my opinion there, I think he's a first rounder myself. So yeah, we're both high and I'm Derwin James, a guy we've talked about at length. Uh, a guy we don't think

we'll make it to nineteen, but you never know. Missed all of tens and sixteen or most of Jens sixteen with was it the achilles so or no a miniscan miniscus? Yeah, so what is going on with the knee? And because he showed rust this year? But was it more you know, mental and more conditioning or is there something you have to worry about with him? So there are plenty more guys with medical issues, but those are just a few

of the top ones. Okay, well we'll do this. We're gonna take a break, and my god, once again, twenty minutes, where'd it go? I wish it happened to be in school like this flies? Does it flies? We'll take a break. I do want to get into the Twitter on the twenty. Yeah, we can back it up, back it up, and then and then I do want to get in that. Let's do a little more though, let's do can it come back? Come back with a little bit of I want to

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I respect to the thing I think that you said medical Now the interview, I orton give me some guys that you know, Hey, we always hear the whispers. I always hear the whispers from the guys saying Dany Burgley will tweet out there something very cryptic. One day at the draft, he'll go hearing that Baker Mayfield is impressing. You know, we always get that. We'll always get that him or him or Gil Brandt, one of those guys will throw out something hearing that interviews didn't go well

for Yeah, but fill in the blank. Plan to throw us a nugget. Yeah, this is the lying season. But you know, try to try to swim through the lies and figure out what's what's truth and talk to the right guys. Yeah, I know who's lying to you. That's the that's the key, right. And so with these interviews, obviously it's not similar to the medicals. It's based on what we hear. You know, we're not in the room. We're not gonna there's no coverage of that except for

when the players do talk to the media. But a few players that need to impress in the interview portion start with quarterbacks. Josh Rosen, a guy we mentioned with the medical plenty of questions about his personality, is fit, whether his arrogance will fit in an NFL locker room, is he coachable? You know, this is a guy who believes he's the smartest person in the room, and that's

just not always gonna work. Yeah, in every situation, so how he and you know, he should be himself, but at the same time, and he's a dial it back a little bit when he's in these interviews with owners or general managers or head coaches and come off a little more humble, come off a little more coachable. And we'll see if he's able to do that. I could say he needs to be humble and sit down. Maybe you know who I think he is throwing the ball.

I always say this, I think Matt Ryan. Yeah, he kind OF's got that the way he's built, that kind of slim, you know, moving around the pocket a little bit, makes makes some incredible throws, and then he'll make he'll just get sacked and you're like, oh what I think you see a little Matt Ryan. You see it Eli Man? Yeah, two guys that went to the Super Bowl. Sureli won two of himself. Sure guys that are I don't mean

that in a slam. I mean I mean that is because Matt Ryan, I think is a pretty damn was it League MVP? Yeah? Absolutely, But I think when you watch this guy throw the football, he's the guy and maybe has something to do with the I know Matt Ryan's two, this guy's three. It has something to do maybe the narrow number, the narrow number on the body and the way he kind of throws the ball. But I think you're right. Do you think that? Do you think that that general managers try and try and make

an abrasive conversation with him. See if you to see if he'll come out and be absolutely you know, I would, I'd challenge him. You beat him, I would. I would challenge him. I'd see how much he really wants to fight me. I get what you're saying, and he does come across his arrogant but like I almost I want that in my quarterback to a degree. And that's that is the fine line that you have to figure out.

And this is where the general manager and scouts have to put, you know, become a psychologist almost to figure out what's going on. I have a plan to talk to him, I think, oh ye, absolutely, yeah, you have a little plan, like, hey, let's piss this guy off. Well, I mean, you see if we can do it. You have to kind of challenge him based on you know, why don't you love football? You know that question stings right and kind of go into it with you know,

because he's an intellectual guy. He's a very he doesn't you know, he likes to think things through. He's a problem solvere with his mind, so he'll challenge everything that you say. Yeah, let me let me give you an example. If you've ever watched Gruden's football camp, quarterback camp. Yeah, those are the kinds of questions that scouts and general managers ask these players, except on a different except at different positions. And I'm sure and they're probably a little

more harsh. I mean, grudendals a back a little he does a back a little bit. But but you get the idea of that kind of what were you thinking here? Yeah, you know, you try and see where the guy's demeanor really is. Is he is? He does it bother him when he gets criticized? Can he take You have an idea if a guy could take hard coaching or not, what is he gonna throws her Eiver's under the bus? Yeah,

he's gonna throw his left tack. You know, coach Moore really didn't have a very good plan for us at UCLA, right, and all of a sudden, you know, Jim Moore has a lot of friends in the National Football League. He needs to be a little careful about who he says that because I don't there's not gonna be any question about his intelligence. No, I mean, I'm not worried about his ability to you know, his recall. I'm not worried about that, just more his his demeanor and how that's

going to play in the huddle. Are my veterans in the locker room gonna, you know, look to this guy. I say, Okay, this guy's a leader. That's the big disconnect with with Rosen right now. So the combines are gonna be huge for him. But stick with quarterback Mayfield. Mayfield, there you go, guy that you know we saw the Senior Bowl, but he still has plenty more questions to answer, and he'll do it the combine. A couple of wide

receivers say something about Baker Mayfield. I think when it's all said and done, he's gonna be the one guy. Maybe that might be a couple of it's maybe Griffin from UCF that when they when they interview him with teams in that's where we're gonna get the jil Brandt tweet, hum, everybody's falling in love with Baker may I was gonna say everybody's falling. Hope. We don't mean that in a bad way because I think, oh, that's what I'm saying,

it'll be. He will be the one guy that everybody coming out of the interview that exactly well, I wish I had a pick, I wish I could pick a quarterback,

and that Baker Mayfield will be that guy. With what Dave was saying about you want your quarterback to be a little arrogant, Yeah, I think that's where Mayfield will come off as arrogant, but in the competitive type of way, right where Rosen doesn't always come off and you know, he comes off arrogant like you know, I'm smarter than you type of way, and so that that will be a key distinction for and if I'm smart, if I'm a team, I'm doing their interviews, I'm doing all these

quarterback interviews. I'm gonna trying to line them up back to back to back. Oh, no doubt, man, You've got a plan that is exactly what you do. Yeah, here, these guys want absolutely other You ask similar questions to a few of them. Can I ask you a question, how would you think you handled interviewed for Lamar Jackson? Do you ask him about the Bill Polian stuff. Do you say, you know, ell yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's people that don't think you could play quarterback, right,

What do you say to that? What if I okay, what if we bring you to our facility as a workout and we asked you to run some routes? What would your response be? There? You go, you know, are you open to it? Are you? I mean, because you're baiting him to see if you'll say, Hey, I'm I'm just gonna be a team player, do whatever I want to do or see whatever I can. But but but I don't want him to say that. I want him say him. Did you see what Daniel j Well, great point.

Did you see Lamar's response to that? So Daniel Jeremiah was like, if anybody sir, yeah, he was like, if anybody says He's like he's talking to Lamar hypothetically. He's like, if anybody asks you to play wide receiver, you say, I look forward to playing against you. And Lamar Jackson I think it was last night or maybe two days ago quote tweeted him and was like hell, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

that's exactly love that. Yeah, it's one thing for Denard Robinson when he's coming out of mission again for him to be open minded to or Pat White out of West Virginia open minded for playing another position for Lamar Jackson. I don't I don't want to hear all right. You know, if you really want me to, you know, work out what receiver, I'll do it. No. I want him to tell me it convinced me. I don't need convincing, but I want him to still convince me that he's a quarterback.

And I think that's the right mentality from the go into interviews with Yeah, I agree with you on that. Okay, some other guys, Uh, what if his quarterbacks are fascinating by the way to talk to What about the receiver? I know you really liked from Florida Antonio Kallaway Halloway, Yeah, you gave him a top three round grade. I have him right now as I look at my board. Brian, Uh, don't do that to me, David, I got him in

the third round. Yeah. And this is a guy who why do you always fall in love with like the questionable guys the gun Runners? Yeah? Why, this guy's more to gun runner. He's he's actually got kicked off because he stole. He didn't play at all last year. This was this guy was in the middle of the credit card credit card fraud. Yeah, and this and this was like, you know, this isn't strike one. This is like straight four for him, which is why Brian loves him. It's like,

give me the bad give me the bad guy. Brian's not wrong about his ability. He's just very unreliable. Brian's never wrong about these ability well, and unfortunate about the gun Runner guys, He's never wrong about their Sorry, Hey, my apologies. I know it's very sensitive. I shouldn't say the word. I shouldn't use the word gun runner. I'm sorry. It's a it's a it's a draft clear, it's I'm sorry, it is it is. I'm thinking of guys that are pirates and sure, you know guys. Yeah, I'm thinking about

those guys. Unfortunately, a lot of times. Sorry, I mean no disrespect to anybody out there. I think I think I'm in a draft room here. I'm sorry. A lot of times. You know, these guys that are uber talented, they've never been told no in their lives. They've got some character issues, and Antonio County it's one of them. Some really some of the really good players. This kid that's talent is clearly there. Yeah. I might have him low on talent to be in the third round. Yeah,

but Dane's absolutely right. If he's on people's boards, this is one of me. These guys, you have to have a strong general manager to come in and say, you know what, we're gonna take this guy and the guy Cleveland, now that guy Cleveland, now that general Magic Cleveland is not afraid to John Dorsey's not afraid to take some not afraid to take a risk. A popular comparison with

Colloboy is gonna be Tyreek Hill. Yeah exactly. Different issues, Yeah, but different issues, but the same type of why did you take this guy fast? He's not Tyrek Hill fast, but he's a big time athlete, big time. You watch him play, he makes some Remember I remember him from UF. Oh yeah, it's not his ability. My last memory of him from UF is watching a fumble or watching a punt yeah inside the five yard line? Just yeah, what are you doing? Yeah, Like he's just so unreliable off

the field, but the athleticism is off the chart. He's one of those guys you watch him play and he's hard to tackle because he's always he's got the Dez Bryant spin around. Just he's trying to fight for yard. I just want to point this out, like our guy LSU's DJ Chark maybe a little inconsistent, good character, Brian doesn't like him. This guy very inconsistent, bad character, not from LSU, and Brian's just like give him, give them to me. I love this guy. I want him. Well.

One thing I do want to mention is remember last year with I'm just saying, Joe Mixon, You're not wrong. Joe Mixon wasn't at the combine. Yeah, I've been in that rule. Yeah they got rid of it, didn't they. Well, nothing's been said publicly about are there any guys, any high profile guy he's there that criteria? But wasn't it. I thought it was any like anything felony related. I thought, I am pretty I could think it was more about

domestic think it was more about domestic viole okay. I thought that they included it for any like assault or any you know, like and there's a few guys in this. I'm fairly I'm fairly certain that it was just DV or like that type of stuff, which in my there was another guy that wasn't invited that it wasn't just mixing. No, it's mixing, and uh, I can't blanket right now, but yeah, there was two notables, but this year we don't have that. And I thought it was more it was domestic violence,

but I thought it also included assault too. You might be right. I just remember they put a big emphasis on DV right. Yeah, as far as I know, there aren't any big time pro x who have that. No, I mean it was it was a bad rule, but it's good that you know, we don't have that issue this year. Getting back to the interviews, arden Key speaking of lsu Hey a guy who have fun with that big time combine for him on it during drills and

then also during interviews the medicals as well. It's going on the shoulder, the knee, the back of the finger. So but the interviews football passion, Yeah, you're gonna put the work in to reach your potential. Yeah, teams are gonna have to try and figure this guy out because he's a first round talent all day. I don't know if he's gonna go there. He is going to get compared to Randy Gregory. Yeah, it will and you know what good or bad he is going to get compared

to Randy Gregory. Fun, fun little anecdote. I was talking draft with somebody over on the important side of the building the other day and arden Key came up, and I was like, you know, I'm basically forget about that guy because there's so many red flags that I just like, I'm afraid to even think about him. And he was like, trust me, I haven't forgotten about him. Like I think this is gonna be big for him, Like what kind of shape he's in, how he performs, how his interviews go.

I mean, if he nails it, arden Key, yeah, Like if he has a great combine, I think you'll see him talked about as like a you know, a first round like like he's kind of the forgotten talent because there's so much unknown stuff there, but he could he's kind of he's almost like Ruben Foster of this draft, a guy that you I think, if everything was clean, a top ten player possibly, but because there's so many questions, he could easily fall to the end of the first

round or even into the second because of you have questions up and down. I mean, you wouldn't he come came back to LSU this year after his four month leave of absence. Yeah, he had a rebirth quote unquote, um went in great shape, but that's it. He was overweight and yes he had the shoulder surgery. Shoulder surgeries don't mean that you can't run yea and work out and you know, keep off the bad weight. Just plenty

of questions with this guy. But like if he just if he you know, when you write you're like guys who won the combine story. Yeah, if he's one of them, then I think he'll shoot back into the first round conversation, which like I feel like he's he's not as talked about as he would be if there weren't so many questions marks, right, who takes the chance on him? Well, I'm doing him. I do release my updated mock draft today and working on it, working on it over the weekend.

I came this close to putting arden Key New England, New England at thirty one. Uh that you know, if his interview goes well, New England, the medicals check out. New England does not draft like the rest of us. They don't have no no, no, I mean this in a way, they don't care now they will they have they have that luxury. They will look. I'll tell you what they will do though, They will take some mock drafts and see where guys rank. You know they will. They will put them in order of how many times

a guy appeared at what spots. Yeah, I think a lot of teams will do it with but you know they don't. But they do. They do not care one bit what anybody says. That they're on their own. They're on their own mission. There two more guys real quick, Yeah for the interviews. Two corners. Mike Hues from Central Florida. There you go at that incident as a freshman, that where he left North Carolina first round player Duco last year showed up at UCF absolutely as a first round

player on the field. And then Holton Hill corner from Texas. First of all, that guy has the drug test at the combine. That's step number one. And then it's just the interviews and him holding up. He's a another good player. Yeah, I mean second round, probably a second round town. Here. I'm liking guys and her thieves. I guess I'm a white white collar criminal guy, am I You're just you just like the like you're like, everybody likes a bad boy like you. Holton Hill is a good football player.

You just want you want the satisfaction of taking the risk and having it payoff rather than just taking this. Yeah, and that's why I'm doing radio, rather than just taking the safe player. Yeah, I risk reward. I fight. I fight for the I fight for the bad guy as you were a bad guy too. Oh, I mean there's I mean, it's I go back. I laugh about John Gruden. Remember Derek Alexander. Yeah, yeah, you guys don't like him. Kids,

he's getting a drinking brod them. That was Gruden when Derrick Alexander wide receiver Cleveland took him right, Yeah, yeah, everybody we were just there was, oh you know this guy. No, you don't want him wrong, don't want him wrong, don't want him Ron got a drinking problem. No, Gruden, I'm not. What do you think about Derek Alexander? Well, you know, Ron, I really liked the guy, got him a first round grade on him. Ben he's getting a drinking him. Oh

my god, this is so many drops right now. Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to see heard that story so many times, but this is the first time I think on air and I've heard it. Yeah, but that's true. Scouts getting there, they start killing these kids. I mean, it's just it's it's and then next thing you know, the coaches come in and there and the coaches are just seeing football players. They're watching the tent. They're going, I don't know what's I don't Hey, it's like us when we sit down

and watch and we can't figure out why why. You know, we're doing the draft. We're Day three and like, dang, give me your three best guys on the board. And he's got a second round grade on a guy. Yeah, and you're sitting there going, wait a minute, the medical problem, red flag alcoholism. Every freaking year, it happens. Yeah, every year. Every year, it happens. Every year. You got one more guy. That's it for interte trying to do the athlete everyone

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Draft shows. Back here at the Draft show in the SWBC Morgan Studios, Brian brought us Dame Burglar, David Holme, and Kit Garrison, the executive producing once again, thanks everybody for being out there with us and hanging out with us on the podcast. However, you're getting this live later, you know whatever, hopefully. Again We're always about trying to investigate and educate. We're gonna be from the combine. We'll

be with you. We haven't got the times yet. When we will be, it'll probably be more after the in the evening live stuff because we've got stuff all day assigned barely late if I yeah, yeah, six o'clock ish, Yeah, and that's in where hour ahead, So we're in the Eastern time zone there. Yeah, I believe we are. I believe we are so yeah, but I'll figure that out. No, No, we'll figure out Yeah, thank you Miles, but we will

Eastern time zone I believe once again. But yeah, where we will get the times, we'll tweet those out, we'll let everybody know when we're doing. But we're going to be trying to be consistent about that. Shows coming off on Wednesday Thursday. Damn it, Dane, He's right, Wednesday, Thursday, fright Eastern time zone. Right. It's almost like he's gone to this thing thirty times. Yeah. Yeah, that's one thing

I actually can't get right. And I can find restaurants for you there by the way, I did say two reservations already made. But just let Dane finish this. I am, I am, but but draft show Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and we'll get you the time. Go ahead, Dan finished, all right, let's move to athletic. You know the sexy part of the combine, or as some people call it, the underwear Olympics. Yep. But as one of my mentors, Cio Brocado said, if you got dressed a soul, you

don't value the combine. You just don't know how to properly use it. And that's what we're gonna. Got a lot of numbers from the agility drills and a few guys that need to perform well. I'bout Courtland Sutton, wide receiver from SMU. Absolutely a player who is a power forward on the football field, big athletic. He's fluid, he can make easy adjustments on the ball, how asked is he? That's a good question, you know, And I think a bigger worries the route running and he just needs to

become more polished player. And it's a guy who's recruited as a safety when he went to SMU, so and there's gonna be a big jump from the SMU offense to whatever team he ends up with. But just how fast is he? If he runs under a four, five, five, I call out a win. Yeah, he's in the first round up. Yeah, yeah, But if he's a four or five, eight or higher, then that's when we're thinking probably somewhere

in the top sixty. And it's amazing that a couple tents of a second can matter that much what they do, but they will. James Washington kind of similar, a guy that did well the Senior Bowl, had an illustrious career at Oklahoma State. Is he a four four guy? Four five guy? You know, it's kind of hard to judge his speed. We see a separation there down the field, and we see that, but it's against big twelve corners. Yeah,

it's free access. Playing in the big twelve takes it tough to gauge speed sometimes what DJ Chark, a guy you mentioned earlier, and I've said this before in past shows. If he hits that four three one fourth too, like Will Fuller, could he vault up and possibly sneak enough late first round teams looking for that speed. I think it's possible. You can't rule it out. Um, who else

going to talk about? Orlando Brown? Oklahoma, Oklahoma? Heavy feet, we know that, but offensive tackle Oklahoma, right, Dad with zeus right, not your typical left tackle. He's a big plotter, but he still has to test relatively well. Yeah, he can be average, he just can't be below average. Yeah, the film will be interesting because the film is I think is good. The athlete, I mean you're gonna see him is. He's not gonna move with any a lot of grace. He's one I struggle with because I just

I don't want to tackle with heavy feet. Now he's able to compensate in ways, but I just go back to I do not want to tackle with heavy feet, and so it's he's a tough one to figure out. Hopefully Combine will help us with that evaluation. Going over the defensive side of the ball. Hercules mad offa a player who is a question about him. He's position confusion

a lot, a man without a home. Yeah. He lined up as an interior pass rusher for at Washington State and he won because of that first step, initial burst where he's able to attack gaps and pretty much end up in the backfield before the quarterback and running back can do anything about it. How is he going to look during you know, rushing off the edge? Can he bend? Can he drop in space? There are plenty of questions

about hercules made Offa. If he performs well to combine, I think he locks himself up in you know, the top sixty picks. He's that type of performer. But if he doesn't perform well, then the questions just are illuminated even more about okay, what position is transition? Yeah, so a lot of questions about mad Offa. Uh Chemiko Terrey guy we talked about with medicals athleticism matter. Vitea can the three forty pound or get under five flat in the forty I think Vitevea is gonna put on a

show with what he does. That's amazing. Really it's uh don Terry Poe. He waited in at three forty six I think, and he ran a four nine eight and that put him. I think he was drafted like twelfth overall by the Chiefs. Vita Vee is gonna be a I think a lot of these one techniques are gonna are gonna put on a show. I don't think he's the only one, you know. I think there's some of these guys we've got so not those guys. I mean they got like five one two on so not run.

I mean there's some guys net in the drown. Paine's a good as exactly. There might be some guys that hit right below five or right at it on some of these forty yard dash. These guys, they're freaks. Absolutely. Lorenzo Carter, Georgia linebacker. He's gonna test really well, probably over forty in the vert fast, the change of directions easy. But another guy, where do you play him? Exactly? What's is he? I don't think he's a passed rush I think he's strong enough. I don't know the powers a

pass rusher. Can he drop and does he have the instincts to play in space? A lot of questions about Lorenzo Carter, but I don't think there'll be any question about his athleticism. And then we get to the corners where a lot of these guys are gonna just test off the charts. Denzel Ward h Dante Jackson from LSU might pick for the fastest forty this ship Jackson, Yeah, fastest forty. He might hit the four twos. He's a big time athlete. Record center. Oh what's his name? Ross?

Last year? Yeah, four one seven. I think it hit four two one, didn't I don't remember. Yeah, it was four two one. I don't think you'll get that, but four twos is definitely possible. Tony Brown LSU fans in here, Tony Brown corner from Alabama, same type of deal. He's a track athlete. He's gonna test really well. And then Derwin James. Uh, guy, we expect to Durwin James tests real well. You just kiss him goodbye. He's gonna blow up. Yeah, he's gonna do it. If you're a Cowboy fan, you

need Durwin James just to flop. That would be nice. I think most Cowboys fans have accepted the fact that he's probably not gonna be there at nineteen. But yeah, I think the combine is only going to Malie Cooker wasn't supposed to be there either right, keep reminding that let me dream, Yeah, let me dream. Let me all right, Dane, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Again. Combine all this week Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Dane, part of all that will be there for we all week with the interviews,

content writing about guys every day. Dave, Okay, we got about ten minutes to go. We can hit a little Twitter on the twenty. Yeah, we do this every year, but I think it's important, especially for a combine preview. Dustin just wants a refresher on what drills matter for which position. So you know your your three cone matters, your pass rushers and that type of stuff. I think three cone matters for every position. I do too. It's that the short shuttle mentioned Ceo Bracado earlier. He created

the three cone. It just it helps judge a player in space, it helps their change direction and maybe besides quarterback, I want to see how you know, are they stiff? I mean there's no escaping the three cone drill and the shuttles. Uh. If you're a stiff athlete, Yeah, you won't survive the Oh no, you you will, you will, you will know a lot. You will you will get exposed if you cannot turn and or you cannot bend and turn and have any lateral agility that the three

cone will kill you. The forty yard dash matters for a receiver, I mean in corner. I mean cornerback is the stopwatch position because your draft grade and evaluation will matter a lot based on how you perform in the forty yard dash and some of the other agility drills. For pass rushers, I want to know ten yards split, Yeah, what's that initial explosion off the line vertical? Do you have that lower body explosion? Same with the offensive line

offensive defensive line too. I think that people like to see defensive lining with that ten You know, remember Tom Coughlin, He'll be down there time and at the tense. I mean that's important to those guys, that initial burst off the off the line there. Absolutely. Yeah, Kevin wants to know what position group do you think will perform the best overall. You know we're dis gushing about the defensive tackles or somebody else. I would lean towards the corners

because I think they're gonna be blazing. I think Dante Jackson could get in the four twos. I think Denzel Ward, Ohio State corner is gonna be in the four threes. Tony Brown I mentioned, so I think a lot of corners are gonna run really well. But yeah, we mentioned defensive tackles, really athletic group. Nathan Shephard, a guy from Ford Haye State who we mentioned. I think he's gonna put on a show with what he can do. Big defensive tackle, who older prospect, long journey, but here he

is on the NFL's doorstep. I think he's gonna have a good week in Indianapolis. What about the tight ends, Yeah, well you see, I mean maybe it's a maybe. Some some athletic guys got Hurst. I finished hurst tape over the weekend. Put a kind of an exclamation point on his profile, his report. My comparison for him, I think you see a lot of Travis Kelsey in his game. There you go, I think, and Travis Kelsey's thank you very much watching the draft show, folks. He's a top

five tight end league. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean I think that this if you look at Hurst, Godert, yeah, and then then Andrews, you know, we'll see. I mean, there's gonna be some guy. I don't know if Andrews will test. I mean, I think he's a four seven nine guy on the but maybe run better than that. But you'll see some guys that I have a feeling Aikins from Central for I mean he's I know, he's a former. I'm just about athletic ability and stuff like

he's gonna jump out of the gym exactly there. There might be that that that might be a group when it's all said and done. You don't normally pay attention to tight ends, but this might be a group that's worth paying to take. I think the tight end that won't test well, it's gonna be Troy fu Mngali and he might be the forgotten guy. And that someone's gonna get a good player on draft. That Lee Washington, Washington. Yeah, Disley from Washington. Another one. I mean, you love that guy.

I watched him like, yes, not a week ago, and you won't shut up him. No, But I'm talking about an inline player. Say he's a better blocker than receiver. I mean, this is a big man. Okay, he runs crossing rounds all day, get it. But I'll tell you what. You put him at wing, you put him in line. You put him on the move. This guy, it's moved on defensive ends. I mean he will hold the point, he will wash. Guy's a road greater he is. That's

exactly what he is. If you want to if you want one of those blocking tight ends, I wouldn't be surprised that you would ahead of Fumagali as far as as far as like a blocking guy, think you will. Yeah, Nathaniel wants to know. He wants a prediction on who you think is gonna be the biggest overall standout. Is it gonna be a lesser known name who puts himself on the radar like Byron Jones did, Or is it gonna be a guy that you know, like a Derwin

James who was already a well established guy. About Davenport from Yea, Yeah, Marcus Davenport, Marcus Davinest. Well, you know a guy that looks like a defensive end. I think he'll test really well. I agree about Daniels the center from Iowa. Yeah, another guy will probably test well. And you watch the drills, he will look so much smoother than everyone else. By the way, he was number twenty overall in my my mock draft to the Lions. A guy, I got him too low and I got him in

the second round. Uh, I think he's a first round. He's got to be a first round. I'm gonna miss that one up and still time. I guess he played guard and tackle as a freshman, so I think there is some versatility there. Went back and watched that tape, Kirk Christian Kirk. Yeah, you think he's gonna test that well? I think he could see. There's some people who don't think he will. I don't know if he's I think I think his speed wise will be okay. I think

he'll be like the chility stuff. You don't Yeah, I don't. I don't. Is he as sudden for the shuttle drills. I don't know. We'll find out. Yeah, if you're going to run in the low in the high four threes testing. I'm so impressed that Kent Garrison is keeping up with all the names we're just throwing out with his with his good producers. Do any award winner. By the way, I just won't let everybody know Cayden Gates on the Okayden, hey use me, Hey, sorry, sorry out to Kayden in

our TV department. He's gonna be award winning guy too. A matter of fact, he's the guy came up with all the ideas for our little up. He's a he's a hustler. He has some hustle to him. Okay, speaking of hustlers, but we got we talked about Kirk one more mentions Vita Vea. I think we talked about him obviously. But what he's gonna do at three hundred and forty pounds, I think is just it's rare. He's a unicorn. Can you disagree with me about Armstrong from Kansas? Do you

think he does anything? I think you'll have a solid, solid combine. Yeah, he's a he's a basketball player. You know he's he's gonna move well, he's a balanced athlete. Well, people start talking about him. I'm talking about who's a buzz guy. Give me a buzz guy that somebody will talk about. What's gonna hurt Dorn's Willia or Dorance Armstrong is. I don't think. I don't think he's gonna be as big with the measurable Yeah, I think you know that.

I don't know what. Okay, I think the measurables might kind of quell the vibe with him. Um, but yeah, we always have. I mean, especially these pass rushers, Ard and Key. We talked about him. But that guy that could really make a name for himself, Josh Sweat from Florida State. I think he's going to put up big thing.

I could be really wrong about him. I'm so intrigued by these D tackles because this is you know, y'all are gushing about these D tackles, but I'm sitting here thinking that's not a position that I really think of. Is like like they don't have a run. You don't have a run on D tackles. They might way you do with receivers. This one might. This might be one if you don't get the right guy. You're thinking, Okay,

whoa wait, I lost that ups I lost. You know, that would be amazing because like I mean, I just I can't think of that ever happening where it's just like, okay, here comes the run. D tackles are flying off the board. We thought that was going to happen like what two years ago, I mean a Shawn Robinson and Jaren Reid and that whole group like that, But it was like forty one, forty eight yead it was kind of in there. It's yeah, but it was a little later on than

we thought. I guess h and a d tackle we haven't mentioned today. Taven Bryan from Florida. Yeah. You asked the defensive coaches at Florida, they'll tell you that he was the best athlete on the team. Yeah. So I think he's going to test really well, and you know that could be the extra jolt he needs to make it into the first Buckeye question for you. Dane from John okayh Denzel Ward still a top fifteen pick if he doesn't measure out well, he's kind of on the

short side. We did and we didn't talk about that fourth category, which is the measurements, but he's one of the guys in that category where like if he doesn't hit five ten, right, five ten is kind of the magic number four him. What's Hurst? I mean, I'm not Hurst? What's uh? What's my guy? Hughes the same boat? Yeah? Is he? What's Fitzpatrick Minka? Yeah? Is he worried about him? He's Oh. I'm just saying though, but sure, if you

depend on where you're playing. He's six foot yeah, six foot Menka is not ye, he's a bigger dude, I mean at least not his And well, so what if he doesn't hit it, or what if somebody doesn't hit it? Well, I think we're going into the into this combine knowing he's short. You know, I don't so if he comes in it, we're talking Ward, right, yeah, Denzel Ward. I think he needs to at least be close to five ten.

If he doesn't hit five, you know, five ten, he needs at least be five o nine six, five o nine seven at least, you know, be a hair off. What's his reach? It does say the length we saw that with you know, Jordan lewis not the Taalst guy, but he had good length to him and Denzel, he needs good length because that's really the only knock against it. He battled Simi Cobbs. We watched that this week. Yeah, yeah, and at Indiana and a couple of times, a couple of times, but yeah, and he was down on the

goal line down there. But I mean he'll battle, Oh yeah, for a shorter guy, he will battle. And they they moved him over there, matter of fact to cover cops playing the Golden Play. Devil's advocate for me, like, this is a guy that we widely. I mean, he's universally regarded as a top fifty ten, fifteen pick. Right if he doesn't I mean, if he doesn't have that length, if he doesn't have that height, what type of impact

does it have? Well, And some teams have strict policies when it comes to the cornerbacks, a team that this team used to scout for green Bay, green Bay and this team as well. Buckley did that. But I mean I can't I can't imagine him falling much further than like fifteen or twenty, even if he's got the knocks outful because we saw like Vernon Hargraves go in the top fifteen, a guy that wasn't the biggest at the longest. But you had a problem with Hardgraves, right remember that

on the length. Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of Yeah, But I think Den's award. He has the athleticism the makeup for it, and then just to cover skills, the ball skills instincts. Really the only knock against him is the size. But the height is this problem right, well, and we don't know about the length. We'll find out about that. And see that's what Will said. Will McClay said, that he's not so much about high. It's not about the high, it's about the arm len your reach, your

ability to disrupt the catch point. That's that's really where it matters, because more often than not, wide receivers are going to tower over corners. But if you have that reach to at least disrupt the catch point, that's all you need to do as a corner. And so for Denzel Award, the measurements were big for him, no doubt there we go. Be good to go. It's eleven o'clock. If y'all want to keep going, we can. Why are Why aren't we talking about Semi Cobbs? By the way,

we'll talk about Simi Cobbs. We get to the combine, big combine for him. Is he gonna run? Yeah? Is he gonna run? What's he gonna run? You got arrested last summer toom got some nice tape, all right? That went for the draft show for the day, but not the draft show for the week. We'll be back Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

Saturday from the combine there in Indianapolis. We'll have everything covered from the morning workouts all the way through the evening and then talk about it at the end of the day. So I want to thank my Scouts, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kake Garrison, executive producer, appreciate everybody out there. We'll see you from Indianapolis.