Draft Show: 2017 Review & 2018 Preview

are doing well, some teams not so well. But the one thing is you'll always scout, and that's what we do here for you here on the Draft Show. Brian brought us back with Dane Brugler and David Hellman, gentlemen, bringing you back off the road. We're gonna reflect a little bit about what we saw last year with the Dallas Cowboys draft, kind of where the direction we think that is going to go. I also want to talk about a little bit about some of what's going on

with some of the other teams. There was a lot of guys that we covered last year before the draft, pre draft draft shows. All those things, and I want to get into some of those guys and what we've seen. We're early in this campaign where we write about some guys, where we off about some guys. Would we need to think about differently, how we going to look at our board next year and get ready for this draft. Did we think too highly of tight ends? Do we think

too much of some rush ends? Do we think too much of some cornerbacks? You know, That's all the things we need to get into. But first off, Dane, welcome back off the road. Nice, it's good to be back. It's I know, get some responses. You guys doing a draft show? Given up the season already? No? No, no, the draft. No matter if the Cowboys go on to win the Super Bowl or lose the rest of their games,

the draft still happens next April. We have plenty to talk about, plus a lot to review from this past draft. What maybe you know, based on what we saw what we scouted in college compared to the first five games of the season, you know, our opinions different. Uh, sometimes based on where these prospects end up. That skews our opinion of the player because of a favorable situation. We're on the opposite side of that. So definitely a lot to cover here, just as we recap and them look forward.

Yeah oh sorry, Brian, I would point out we did this show during the bioweek last year when the Cowboys were I believe five and one, so right, so yeah, we were. This is not a give up show, No, we just want to wanted to take an opportunity to, like Dane says, review what you have just draft nerds

talking about. This is just guys that have an hour to kill today and enough enough people that want to to do something like But but David, welcome aboard as well as always, I always appreciate your your line of thought here. I you know, I I was sitting there thinking about, uh, you know, I'm thinking about the Cowboys draft, and you know, here's a team right now that is two and three, you know, not as favorable as the five and one that we saw last year at this time,

but they are playing a lot of young guys. You know, they're there, there there, and that's really what the NFL is now. It's about taking those young guys and go ahead and putting them on the field. We've seen a lot of young quarterbacks have to play we've seen a you know a lot of young running backs have success. A third round running back have some success. But yeah, I mean when you look at and this is not a way of knee jerking, This is not my way

of knee jerk, and hear anything about this. I just think that if we go back and review what we thought about these guys as we see them, and they're and they're getting to play and and and for me, that's good. I have no prom playing young players. I would rather play young players and have them make mistakes than old players and have them make mistakes. You know

that That's just me. But if you go back and you know, we we we focus in on the Cowboys with that twenty eighth pick in the draft last year, and we kind of would going in a lot of different ways. You know, with the whole argument, A lot of people are looking at what's going on with with say like TJ. Watt and then also with Taco Carlton, and then you talk to start talking about glad we're starting here for ye it's worth I don't think you can start this anywhere else. No, I don't think you

can start this anything else. And I think the discussion the discussion in the war room was about you know, hey, they have to get a defensive end, you know, and Harris goes to Miami and Tack McKinley goes ahead of them into Atlanta. And now it's about taco or what for that matter. And now you're sitting there thinking. And even before the draft, we're sitting we're talking and we're going you know what, the scouts would bring up what and he's a player, you know, can he play with

his hand down? Is he an outside linebacker? Or coaches are going to argue, hey, we don't want a project. We won't want somebody that's gonna stand We don't want to stand up guy when a guy hand on the ground. But if you look at things, the whole idea is to get the best player, right, The whole idea is to get the guy. You know, coaches, he's it's not a fit. It's not a fit. Now. Now, on the flip side of that, the coaches will say, hey, we can coach this guy, and the scouts will say, no, no, no,

we don't. There's another guy we like. So it goes both ways. But if you look at right now and the thing with what his production was against the Browns opening day. He stead the three sacks. You know, you look at you look at Harris. Not really much going on for him in Miami, and he got his first sack of the year exactly tack. McKinley haven't a whole

you know, he's been encouraging production, hasn't been there. Yeah. See, I'm saying though that this is where, you know, if you think that the Cowboy are doing it wrong right now, think about some other teams and where they thought guys were guys that we kind of liked. Yeah, and I think that we have to keep in mind too that this team was not drafting for the first five games of this season. They're drafting for yes, this season, but

with the eye on the future, right you know. And so that's we had a lot of fun with the whole Taco needs seasoning and you have to play on words, and we had a lot of fun with that. But it was the truth as well. We knew he was a raw player at Michigan. Uh, you know, he has all the tools, but as you have to justin tuck right, remember that was the comparison that that you know that and and I thought it was a fair compar form

my days to scouting in pro side, you know, justin Tuck. Yeah, and it's not that he's going to have that type of career, but similar style of player, style of player, that's what you're that's what you're looking for, and that's what you hope he can be. Now, you know, we we're not gonna spend too much time on this because we all know how we felt, you know, whether Taco was our top player plus personally right, But you know, it's it's going to be interesting watching t J Watt

and Tack McKinley. Uh. And you know these other pass rushers that you know they didn't have a chance attack McKinley, but if you liked them that much, you could trade up three spots and get them, sure, you know. And so it'll be something to watch as we move forward in a big part of that will be Taco's development or lock thereof. It's something that is going to be Uh maybe when we look back at this draft will

be the main discussion point. Riddle me this though, Yeah, this is and yeah, I mean I think anybody that's listening to this probably remembers where we all fell on that um with and and I I wound up being a defender of Taco more so than anybody else. Sure, Um, so I want to know, you know, five weeks in Brian, maybe this is a better question for you, because I assume Dan's not really studying the tape of the Cowboys

the way that you are. Through five games, Taco Charlton exactly what you thought, worse than you thought, and I this is a four year investment. I get that if you're closing the book on him, that's ridiculous. But even for me, who you know, I think in training camp, I said, I said four sacks would be a successful season for Taco, you know, just consistently being a part

of it. How do I feel about dating I'll be completely honest, again, as somebody who I was more on board with the pick than everybody else, even with modest expectations, I think it's fair to say that he hasn't measured up to that as it stands through five weeks. I mean, you're talking about a guy who you were at least debating the merits of making him inactive in a couple of these games, because you Entrey Moore, you had David Irving, you had Charles Tapper for a little while before you

got hurt. So you know, I didn't have high hopes for him, even as a first round pick. And I still feel as though he's been a little bit disappointing, and I wonder if that's fair. I think disappointing is a fair word, because even if he didn't have the sack numbers, you did see some production at Michigan, you know, the ability to play the run, to get off block. I mean, there was there were some things that you absolutely liked about him, you know, the power, the string.

I mean, I don't think we've seen that. I tell you what. I tell you what I haven't seen from him that I haven't seen from him, And it surprised me. And maybe maybe we didn't see it at Michigan. And correct me if I'm wrong, Dane, because you scouted him just as much as I did. I was surprised he didn't have the pass for any pass rush moves when he got here. I mean, it's been it's been from hes. They've had to work from ground zero now, Yeah, to get him to at least come with a pass rush move.

I don't I don't remember. I remember I remember him winning at Michigan. But was he winning more on effort and and and that that he was gef get off at lane. Then that's what. Yeah, that's what kind of helped him quite a bit going up against big ten tackles. I mean the second line of my report on Taco unimaginative pass rush sequence, predictable spin move. I mean that, Yeah, yeah,

he does a lot of it here. Yeah. See that's where that that's where I think that to me, I think that that fans in general, and I felt like that we educated folks enough on this, you know, when the pick was made that you know, but I was surprised. I was surprised how little pass rush he had. You know. That's that I mean, that's that's the thing that I keep coming back to in my mind that, Okay, if he doesn't if he doesn't show any pass rush move, he's not gonna win. I didn't you know, he's not

a quick guy. He's not an explosive guy off the ball. I think the thing and granted I'm well aware of the differences between preseason and regular season football, but in reps he was getting in the preseason, you were still seeing him. He was impacting plays, his you would notice him, you know what I mean, Like he's in the backfield. Maybe he doesn't get the sack, but he's there. He

beats the yeah. Yeah, and again that's coming against preseason players, and maybe that's why I think, you know, like I said, I if he had he has no sacks, and on the surface, that's not disappointing to me, but it's disappointing that by and large, with the exception of a couple snaps against the Giants, I think he really there hasn't even been a reason to say his name during most of these gaps. That part of it has been disappointing.

That that's certainly disappointing. I think you're absolutely right though about the down the line. You know, that's why they have Yeah, I think that you know, you fans don't want to have patience for the most part. And and you know what, and I I understand that, oh yeah, because you know, you're you're trying to think about your defense is your defense is not playing the run. Your defense is not you know other than one guy, you know, I mean, you're up there, you are getting a little pressure.

The Cowboys fans were a little spoiled with what they got out of the twenty sixteen drafts. Okay, let's let's let's focus on the rest of the track. Well, I want real quick, I'm sorry before I know you want to talk about other stuff. But in regard to Taco, I wonder it seems like he is mainly they are mainly trying to play him at right end. Yeah, and I wonder if he's a left end well, and just in the interest of getting something out of him, do you try to move him around or do you just

try I mean, could he play him left? And I seem to be alone in the thought that maybe he could be useful at tackle for the time being. Yeah, any, I mean, even if it's in Nichols, we have you've seen, You've seen, like David Irvin's my point. They quickness off. I mean, maybe he's got better quickness for playing against

guards than he does playing against tackles. I you know, because he saw him play some nickel tackle y and they they him and him and him and Lawrence were on the same side with some doing some games and stuff. They seem reluctant to be creative with him. And I get that he's raw and they probably want him to master the base six before they worry about that. But I'd love to see him try some different things out

rather than must be there right in. I don't disagree with you there, David, Okay, pick two sixty was Hidobe a Woozier and I felt like that we and then you take the pick behind him, which would be Jordan Lewis at three ninety two, kind of felt like we liked Jordan Lewis better than we liked Hidobe A Woozier. Yeah. Well, I remember at the Senior Bowl sitting in the hotel room doing the draft show, talking about how and I think Jordan Lewis is a first rounder. Yeah, I liked

him that much. Now, the whole off field stuff case that leaked in and that played a part, and you know his eventual and where he ended up. But hey, this is a good player. You know. The hight thing is something that out of a corner not ideal, but arm length was good enough. And this is a guy who my favorite thing about him he's always ball searching, and that's what you see with him so far with

the Cowboys. He's always looking for the ball, even when the receiver makes the catch, he's looking to get it out. You know, sometimes he does. Sometimes he does, and he's still a young player getting used to the NFL. But I'm very encouraged with Jordan Lewis. I think he can be a starter in this league for a long time. He's looked outstanding. I got somebody yelled at me on Twitter today. I know he gave up the winning pass and yeah, I know he got called for holding on

Jordy Nelson. I don't care. He's been awesome. He's he's great in space, he makes the tackle, he keeps it. You know, a five yard catches a five yard catch. He doesn't give up extra yards to a runner in open space. He made a great play on the ball against Green Bay that gets completely overshadowed where the guy completed it down the sideline right Jordy Nelson, Yeah, hunched it out after it. Maybe it would have been a catch. And you haven't seen Nadallas cornerback who can make a

play on the ball like that. Yeah, we didn't see him at all a training camp Dame and that, and yeah we didn't see it. I mean we you know the scouts, when you talk to scouts post draft, they loved him. They absolutely loved the kid. I pulled every scout and football person that was willing to talk to me unofficially, and Jordan Lewis was by far the draft pick they were most excited about it. Yeah, that doesn't

surprise me at all. And you know we talked about not seeing much of him, well a Woozier with his injury stuff. You know how much has that hurt him so far? Through five games? It seems like there's always something hamstring he's dealing with, or you know, is he a better safety, better better corner where we're at with the Woozier. Yeah, See, Woozier played the other day and you know he came out the field because the hamstring got fatigued. It wasn't a full on poll or anything

like that. Another but he's you know, he got three or four plays last week and made a couple of plays where he made some range plays playing safety. I think he's gonna play safety here, I really do. I think they're I think they're getting him ready to him in the next pick. Who we're going to talk about two Xavier Woods. I think they're getting those guys ready to play in the future. Xavier Woods was playing safety

in that. I mean, obviously Green Bay wound up winning the game, but they had him, had him last line of defense. Yeah, and he missed a couple of tackles, but he's been but I mean to get him on the field. The fact that they put him out there though, it's telling to me. Yeah, even if it didn't work out, it didn't work out for the whole defense. They put their sixth round pick out there with you know, the

Hall of Fame quarterback driving for a touchdown. I understand fans upset about Taco and you know that's just not working out up to this point, but you have to be excited about what you've seen from these three defensive backs up to this point. I mean it, Yes, they're gonna make working mistakes, that's inevitable, right, But the flashes, the positives, that's what you take away from this draft class so far, at least from me. Yeah, I agree

with that. I'm gonna sound too much like Brian here, so I apologize, But it's it's just a bummer that Cheeto has had this problem that you know, what happened at training camp, and it's been ongoing. It's been ongoing since it was fatigued. I pulled. I was told his fatigued, so they had to take him out. But you know, hopefully he'll be ready for the forty nine ers. That's hopefully, but then you never know how long are you gonna

last in the game. You're hopeful he was ready for the for the Packers that lasted for maybe a quarter. I don't remember the exact count, but you know, and that's the point Brian made all through the preseason is that if these guys could get on the field. You're seeing what Jordan Lewis is doing on the fly with no training camp, and and it would it's amazing to think what him and Cheeto could be doing if they

had just had a run of good health. I mean, I would imagine that they're certainly two of your top four defensive backs if both of them had a good run of health where they could consistently be playing. They steal Jordan Lewis in the third round. Absolutely, he Yeah, I thought he was a I wrote my report that his size is second round, but his instincts, his ball skills, his ability to play tight carverage all first round worthy.

Now the whole again, the off field stuff kind of that crept into his evaluation and that that's a big part of it. But there's no question they got to steal with Jordan was outside of the top ninety picks. Yeah, Dane's right that, you know, you kind of get spoiled when half of your draft class is starting and contributing for you right away, like last year. But if I mean so, if you're looking at it, I'm not. You know, you're not closing the book on it by any means.

But probably don't feel great about Taco right now. No, you don't. You probably don't feel great about Cheeto just because he's not playing. Yeah, but gosh, I mean the one the couple of times. Yeah, I mean I was on film. I'm not trying to kill the guy. No, no, you're not. It's just evaluation. You're right, you probably don't feel great about him because he hasn't had a chance to do anything right. You probably don't feel amazing about Switzer.

He had a pretty costly mistake against the Rams. He has played really well against Arizona, though, I mean him and him and Jones were difference on the flipping the field for in that Arizona game. I get so, I'm no, no, I'm with I'm with checklist. You feel great about Jordan Lewis. I feel phenomenal about him. He looks like a starter for the foreseeable future. Draft reminds me very much of how we used to do things in Green Bay, and I hate to be back in the day, guy, but

I'll be that way. We would miss on the first round pick, but then we would hit three, four, and five, and then nobody ever remembered who we picked in the first round. The back end, then I guess that's where I was going. The back end looks pretty nice. I mean, Jordan Lewis looks great, Xavier Woods looks great, especially when you consider where you got him. And then my guy, Noah Brown made the team as a six receiver. He's been active, Sure, not a lot of opportunities, but he's

shown some flashes. I mean, he's made him when he's had those opportunity. What do you think about the Switzer one? Though we all liked the pick, we all liked what we saw at OTA's right, and then the minicamp he gets hurt. He just hasn't done anything yet, though, has I mean, we talked about the Arizona game. I didn't give him proper credit for the Arizona game. He did do some nice stuff there. He's had very few opportunities on offense he had, He's had a couple of nice returns.

The fumble, I mean, that's the thing that stands out the most of everything right now. Right they drafted him to be your upgrade over Lucky. We hit basically, you know, your returner, a guy that you incorporate on offense in some way, whether it's a jet sweep or however we want to use him. But yeah, up to this point, you know, I you know, it's just it's an like all these guys incomplete grade. You know, we just there's

been some ups, been some downs. But no, I think you have to feel good about how he can contribute down the road. But I understand that, you know right now, it's just it's just incomplete David, I'll hit you on this one ahead, and and and Dan, you can chime in. Rank them how they were, how they are right now, rank them from one to five, and how you feel about how I feel right now or how I feel about what they will be. No, No, right now, Okay,

Taco O Woozier, Lewis Switzer Woods and Brown. Lewis won Woods too, Cheeto three, Um, Switzer four, Brown, five, Taco last. Okay, there's six guys in right. Yeah, sorry, you're fine. Yeah, and that's including value, I mean, yeah, no, yeah, for sure. I mean I put Woods as highly as I do. There's a little a little bias there obviously. I mean if you remember draft, but playing right now, but right now, I mean he's been he's been a solid nickelback, which

like people didn't even know he could do that. I know we did it at Tech, but NFL is a different story, and we talked about that. He played nickel there. They're playing him at nickelback. They've played him in dime, They've played him at regular old safety. Uh, he's played special teams and he's shown up. He didn't do a lot against the Packers, but throughout this season had a great pass break up against the Cardinals. Um, he's made some nice hits and and again you got him in

the sixth round. I think that that weighs heavily in my mind as well. That's why I kind of rank him aside. How do you feel you feel about the same way. Yeah, Taco is the tough one because again, it's a potential pick. It's you know, you've said that, You've said that, you've been fair about where he is right now. It's not going to be first round value. That's just that's who he is. When we look back

at this in a year, will fuel differently. Yeah wish, I wish, I wish he would shown up like Lawson. Oh well, we knew that wasn't gonna happen. No, no no, but but that's what I'm saying, right, I mean, you wish he'd just shown up and been the best pass rusher in the rookie class. Well no, but but I know on our one oh five three board we had lost in the first round I loved Yeah, yeah, yeah, ahead of Taco. So yeah, it's yeah, what Carl Lawson's doing right now with the Bengals does not surprise any

of us. And that's what I'm saying. I mean, you wish you wish it picking him at twenty eight, that he would he would have that kind of production. I look, this is no disrespect to anyone that works for the Cowboys and the personel department. Any coaches. You're gonna say something about why aren't you No, No, but what when I come up through this business, and I relied on some GMS and scouts to really groom me and teach

me and all that. One of the first things I was taught was don't assume for a second just because they have a GM title, just because they have a certain title, coach, whatever, that they know more than you and all the work that we do. We knew about Karl Lawson, that was didn't shock us. We knew about Taco Charlton. So sure you wish that Taco Charlton would have the impact that Karl Lawson is, but we knew

that wasn't realistic. Carl Lawson, I still haven't gotten a great response about why he fed all the fourth round. I mean, I mean, I mean, we we know he had the injury stuff, but players with far worse injury histories have gone a lot higher than the fourth round, So that one's a mystery. You should have at least gone in somewhere in the second or third day too, But with Taco, again, it's just it's a lot. You know.

We I didn't like to pick, I don't think you guys really like to pick, but in fairness to the player, in fairness to see what happened the situation. Let's let's play it out. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, we're gonna take our first break. We started a little late today, so we're gonna take our first break right now, and then when we come back, we're gonna take a big picture look at some of the guys around the league that we talked about and see how what Dane and Dave think

about their season so far. And then I want to I want to save some time at the end to have Dane almost like a tell me more. I know Dave and I really haven't had a chance to study, but you know, we watch a lot of college football. Maybe Dane Burger can fill us in on some guys that we need to kind of take a look at as we get ready for drafting season after the first of the year. So you got the Draft Show. We'll be right back from the s w s WBC Mortgage

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It would be good one day. We're kind of going through things. We reviewed what the Cowboys picks were, uh this year, and just kind of an idea of what we think, uh, you know, what direction these guys are going. We seem to feel like that that Taco is a guy that needs uh you know, further evaluation, you know, needs further opportunity, needs to play better. Just in all

fairness to him. You just you got some young guys that are playing well, said a couple of nice things, and then you just cut to the bottom line, Yeah, better. You need to play better. You need to play better, need to show reason to be out out there more snaps than five or six a game. Yeah, you know, be a guy to go out there and get it done, and he really just hasn't done that. But I'm going to focus in on some guys that have been getting

it done from around the league. And we saw a guy last night play quarterback for Chicago Bears, Mitch Trubiski. Much was talked about him, you know, with the in the comparison him or Deshaun Watson. I think guys feel pretty good about what Deshaun Watson has been able to accomplish. I'm so I'm so mad because I'm gonna wind up losing a bet to Dane on a technicality because I said during draft weekend that Deshaun would start sixteen games.

I was technically wrong because he did not start the opener, start fifteen and a half, clearly thanks to Bill O'Brien's stubbornness. I'm gonna be wrong because Deshaun Watson is great. Texans look incredibly smart. Well, credit to the Texans with the

way that they're molding the playbook to fit Deshawnt. Sure, we're seeing zone Reid, we're seeing option, We're seeing uh, you know, allowing him to use his legs, his mobility, and that sets up the past downfield, which so far the Shaun has taken advantage of all the credit in the world as Shaun Watson and the Texans for the way they're hand handling that situation. That's what we don't see enough of with these rookie quarterbacks. We saw last

night with Chicago or Monday Night Football with Chicago. Uh, you know, watching Mitchell Trubisky with you know, the boots and the waggles exactly. That's what his strength, his athleticism, the way he can throw on the move. We're not seeing that enough. I mean, I think the perfect examples watch Cleveland right now with the right which the way

Hugh Jackson. The Browns are just ruining the situation with the rookie quarterback and they're bailing on him after four and a half games with the Shawan Kaiser who has not played well, but the moment you started him from

the season opener, you punted on your season. Sure you know you committed to developing the young quarterback, not winning games, and now the Browns are kind of yeah, they're they're worried about flirting with another en sixteen season like they did last year, and so they're gonna go with probably with Kevin Hogan. It's not officially yet, but I imaginely go with Kevin Hogan, an undrafted player from last year, and we'll see. But you know, the Browns fans better

get used to the name Sam Darnold. Josh Rosen sure does Trubisky. It's funny. I believe Trubisky was selected from a pick that the brown the Browns had, and I also I believe Watson was selected a right. Carson Wentz was Carson Wentz. I'm sorry it wasn't. Trubisky was Wins right, So it's Watson and Wins with a two that were selected by picks that the Browns had at one time. The Dane's point, though, it's the age old you know, it's the age old question that you can't really answer,

like how good would those guys be right now? And it's sad because that's why the Browns hired Hugh Jackson. Yeah, right, his ability with quarterbacks and his play calling, and so far that's the two biggest issues with that team. And so when you're one in twenty as a head coach with a team, you're not gonna get many more opportunity. You're not not at all. Just kind of go through that first ten. Miles Garrett coming back off some injury,

played nineteen snaps, had two sacks. I mean, he looked like a number one pick, like he was playing on one leg and he was still just a beast. I mean he as much as the Browns might regret not taking Trebisky at one, yeah, they got a stud at number one with with Garrett, So there you can't look back at that and be upset. Gonna study a little Solomon Thomas for the forty nine ers. That's the Cowboy's next opponent, you know him going the third of our

Leonard Fournette at four. Hey, does Leonard Fournette him with him having success in Jacksonville, does it keep that mode that we're talking about with the Runners now, with the Runners which being in that top five, top ten, I gotta give I gotta I mean, I know I'm a homer, but props to Leonard Fournette because like he doesn't have the line that Zeke had last year. Sure, and he's he's not just cranking out yards the way Zeke did.

You know, I think by this point Zeke was already flirting with a thousand, at least it felt that way last year. But I mean, Fournette has scored a touchdown in every game of his career and has flirted with one hundred yards if if not gotten there, and then I think he almost hit two hundred because he had a ninety yard run at the end of that game last week. I'm sure y'all had to have seen that highlight of Hyeah welcoming the contact. Oh my god, that

was incredible. It was. And hey, credit to the Jaguars is again, if you're gonna Tom Coughlin going for the tough back, if you're gonna make that type of commitment in the top five, you better better hit it your offense to Oh, they're help at Bortles. Bortles is your guy. Yeah, Bortles is a guy that Jeff Kavanaugh loves to get on me about. And he's not perfect, you know, I mean, but they do have him a running game and they do it, and they've built a little bit of defense

there too. There's a good enough to beat the Steelers badly, big time beat the Steelers going down Christian McCaffrey. I actually I looked his stats up specifically, and maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but these numbers jump off the page to me. One is that he has not hit one hundred yards rushing yet on the season. The other is that he's already got twenty seven catches. Yeah, that's what we always thought he can do. Yeah, no, for sure, Yeah,

totally fits his skill set. But it's still kind of amazing when you see that two hundred and thirty receiving yards and a touchdown. I think when he was drafted by the Panthers, I predicted he'd be offensive rookie of the year and he still could be, but maybe not quite as fast as start as I thought, but it's agree. Yeah, it looks like the Panthers are starting to figure it out, though, because I know he had his best game of the

year in this most scored his first touchdown. But you know, Jonathan Stewart's still getting the lion's share of the carries. So it'll be interesting to see how they used McCaffrey shovel the other day for a touchdown. Do a little shovel passed him underneath. One of Dane Brugler's favorite players in this draft was Malik Hooker, safety from Ohio State. He ends up going fifteen to the Colts. How how does that happen? He's got three interceptions for you already.

It's the most unsurprising thing ever that he would have three interceptions and his first three starts like that's all he did at Ohio State. And yeah, there were safeties who were taking you know, of course the Jamal Adams was taking ahead of him. He's Jamal Adams has done a nice job. He got beat by David Njoku, the Browns tight end rook another first round rookie, for a touchdown on Sunday. But for the most part, Jamal Adams

has had a nice rookie year so far. But Mallie Cooker but not better than the Lake Hooker though, right, I mean when you factor in what he can do in coverage, that's just it's it's a game changer. Mallie Cooker can change a game with him being back there. Picks or how you establish a name for yourself as a safety, well he'll be on the whole. Yeah, yeah, all rookie thing all rookie team. Jonathan Allen talked about him dropping down to seventeen. That was a surprise Redskins.

You'll see him. He's had a good, good rookie year so far, He's not. That was another one of those picks, like Malie Cooker, you were thinking, now, this guy's going top three, top four. Yeah. I mean maybe there were people that had Jonathan out and maybe because of the shoulder though too right, that was a big thing. But there were some people that had Jonathan Allen ahead of

Solomon Thomas in this draft. I remember some people some rumblings about should he go ahead of Miles Garrett, you know, because he's he was the more proven player, the more bright, productive player. But you know, he's had a good, solid year the Redskins. You know, at seventeen overall, that's a great value. That's a great value pick. Look down there. Okay, this is where it starts getting a little murky for me because O. J. Howard goes to Tampa at nineteen.

I think that's the first time I've heard his name since the season started. Well, I mean the Thursday night game was one of his only targets of the year and the final pass that he wasn't even look. But isn't that surprising though, we I mean we thought about him. I mean people were talking about, boy, he could be a well he'd be great to have here at the Cowboys. Yeah, there wasn't him as he's seen the field, but it's

as a blocking type. Yeah, So it's it is a little surprising that they haven't incorporated him a little more into the offense. Give him a few targets, let him run some routes. Uh, yeah, he could help this team. Yeah, she surely could. At least he's used to that, you know, coming coming from Alabama. Then then you get down into you get down going into the draft. We've talked about Okay, Dan, and you're you're the really the polarizing guy in this trap, you know in a in a way that kind of

got us all arguing back and forth. And you're you watched the Browns quite a bit talk about Jabrill Peppers though, and really what what his and if you want to project him like you did Taco, if you want to say, well, he's they're playing him out of position or well they are, and I think the Browns they playing a running back I feel like I'm just beating up on the Browns. But they misevaluated him because they're using him as a free safety. Yeah, they're using him thirty forty yards away

from the line. You can't do. You got to be up on the line with him. Yeah, exactly. And so if they wanted a free safety, if they wanted a center field type, then you stay at the thirteenth pick and you take Milie cook Cooker. I remember that. Yeah, they traded away. I mean we talk about the Shawn Watson. They trade away from him. They also trade away from Millie Cooker, who if they wanted at that center field type,

that's who you take. You don't take Jabrill Peppers, who has never been your Coverage has never been his strength as a player. He's a great athlete, we know that, but he's also a much better player downhill or a guy that if you want to cover the tight end, you know, I think he can get better in that area. But as a true center field type, that's just not

his game. And so I think the Browns are misusing him right now, and because of it, he's there are a lot of negative plays on his tape, mistackles, poor angles, Uh, he's late anticipating, and you know that just it goes to you know, the mistake by the Browns if they mis evaluated him from the start. Hopefully they can correct that. But there are a lot of interesting names in the late first whether or not the Cowboys had a chance on him one of them. Now I want to talk

about Evan Ingram. Yeah. I was a little a little tough on this pick because you know, of course Giants didn't need any more firepower. And now you look at it now, the lone guy stand exactly. Yeah. And Evan Ingram has been solid. Yeah, I mean, but were we wrong to say that maybe Ryan Ramsick would have help that team more? Yeah? Yeah, he has had nineteen catches for two hundred yards, one touchdowns. He's off to a

phenomenal start. And we all love Dave Evan Ingram as a player, and so this isn't a knock against a player, it's just the Giants. Is that really what you needed to kind of put you over the hump? Or could you have used some offensive line help or could you use some help on defense? So you know, it is ironic now that Evan Ingraham is probably Eli Manning's top

target left standing. So it's yeah, we're talking about because you're absolutely right, because ram Check goes to the Saints at thirty two, and then after that you get Jacksonville takes Cam Robinson at thirty four, and then you go down a little bit further though, that's when the forest lamp goes, uh, you know, to the Los Angeles Chargers. I thought of Dan immediately when that guy tore his aca.

Fortunately no more lamp for him, it does. So but okay, well we go down, we go down through now we'll think about it into the second round. Here some guys Kevin Cook the other day from you know, we got we got to see Kevin Kevin n I still think of the tight end the Cowboy that could have been, Yeah, Kevin King. You know, okay, watched I you know what I'm saying. I watched Kevin King or Taco right now.

Maybe now maybe you don't draft well, and we we talked about this, but then maybe you don't get us. We talked about this on Cowboys breakheading into that Packers game, which is you know you certainly it was the age old argument and and there isn't enough evidence to suggest that they were right or wrong. But they took Taco because they thought that they could get DBS later on, and that certainly looks to be true. You feel really good about Lewis, and good so far about cheetoh, all

things Lewis. We think because of the court case, right, sometimes you need a little look. Yeah, right, well sure, but I'm saying, but they thought that they thought that they could get really quality DBS later in the draft, and they were right as the doors right now. Who knows if Taco pans into anything. But if you're saying, okay, well maybe you should have after Kevin King, then you're going back to Terrell Basham. You're going back to Derek Rivers. Derek Rivers who is on IR right now. So we

really have no idea how he would be performing. Yeah, I don't. I'll be completely honest with you. I have no idea if Terrell Basham is making any noise at all. I haven't heard his name, Yeah, not very much at all. Um. So, and you know, draft logic suggests that you're more likely to find Yeah, if you expect your pass rusher to make a difference early on, you're more likely to get

him at twenty eight than you are at ninety two. Right, So I have a hard time faulting the strategy involved there, even though Kevin King certainly seems like he's on his way to being a good player looking down the line about this A two forty one Dalvin Cook, Dalvin Cook hate, it's terrible if he had a Terris acl out for the year, just a bad way start his career. We talked about injuries with him. It's just it's unfortunate. Didn't necessarily have the body armor that you look for in

a run back. I meant, yeah, who knows if he's gonna be injury prone the rest of his career, hopefully not, Hopefully comes back and he's the same Dalvin Cook, because when he's on, I thought he was the best running back from this class. Uh, you're going into the draft and then you know, through four games only Kareem Hunt to me, was having a better season. Kareem Hunt. Yeah, I wanted. Now we'll go down into that third round talking about that. Those backs. Alvin Kamara was a guy.

You know, he gets secret selected three sixty seven by the Saints, already already off to a good start, and then it only looks more promising now than Adrian Peterson is no longer something. Yeah, twenty catches for one forty seven. You know he's only got eighty three yards Russian right now. But yeah, that's what he did at Tennessee though. Use him out of the backfield as a receiver, that that's his specialty. Use him as a punt returner so much more than just uh, you know, hand hand the ball

off type of running back. Cooper Cups should have gone higher than he went three sixty nine to the Los Angeles Rams. Yep, he's a better please a you look at some of the receivers that were taken in the second round, you know, like a Schuster Smith right was

a guy comes to mind. Yeah. I also think about Curtis Samuel, what he's done, you know, with with with Carolina, and Cooper Cup was such a you have to have a specific position in mind for him, yeah, like play him well, but I just Cooper Cup put him in the slot. Yeah, and you know he can be that guy.

Not every team needs a slot receiver, but if you did have a need for a slot Cooper Cup was that perfect target to have in the second third round at the Rams, I think, ye, they got themselves a really good player, and it didn't take long for Golf and Cup to develop that chemistry. You could see it right away in the preseason. And we're gonna see we're gonna be talking about Golf the Cup, I think for a long time. Yeah. I that's a perfect receiver for

a young quarterback. And he's a young player himself. I mean, he's a players dropped a touchdown yesterday round Sunday. Actually, but he's not gonna I've seen it makes some incredible catches. It's not gonna happen often, not gonna happen very often at all. You're right about that. You talked about Basham. He's played five games for the Colts. It only has

one tackle. Yeah, So you know, maybe all these defensive ends that we were talking about, Harris McKinley, you know, they're all like I think everybody around the league is probably a little disappointed in their defensive ends, with the exception of Cincinnati. Cincinnati, we're broken records around here. But it's a hard position to acclimate too quickly. I mean, when you're Miles Garrett and you go first overall, maybe you get two sacks in your in your debut. Yes, TJ.

Watt certainly looks like that. That's you know, if if you're gonna second guess it, I'm tired of hearing it at this point, but I at least have to admit that as of right now, you have a point, you know what I mean? Like t J. Watt looks like a player. He looked like a player in the preseason. He's made some noise. I know that he made a lot of that production against the Browns, but he's just he's making a difference for the Steeler. He's got eighteen tackles,

three sacks, an interception, and a couple of past defense. Yeah, none of us are surprised. That's that's nuts for a rookie taken at the back end of the first round, honestly, And yeah, you know so if you want to sit there and say they should have taken t J. Watt over Taco, I really don't have much recourse, you know what I mean? You know, right now, let me ask you this. And I had somebody had a scout tell me this, not a cowboy scout, but another scout just

in passing. You know, do you do you buy into just take players? Just take I mean, don't think about oh, is he a scheme fit or not. If the guy is a good player, take him absolutely. I mean you know that, Oh, well he can't do this. He can't. We've never seen him put his hand on the ground. He's that. I think there's a I think there's a phrase for that that Dane and Jeff Kavanaugh would like to use. Trust the trust, Trust the tape, Trust the tape.

But see, that's what I'm saying, sometimes we get too caught up in the oh, he's not a position specific guy. There's take the damn player. I'm I'm trying like there's there there's some exception. Yeah, I just mentioned Cooper Cup. I don't think he'd had the same success on the outside as he would in the slot. I think the way Cooper Cup can manipulate the middle of the field. Yeah, but they put him on the field, he's gonna make plays, right,

But I don't think he'd be as successful outside. And so with that said, I do, like like David said, I think there are some exceptions where you know, there are such thing as as scheme specific players. T J. Watt was not a scheme specific specific player in my opinion, because you saw it put his hand on the ground in Russia a little bit. Plus you can tweak your defense a little bit, so if you want him to

stand up, move around a little yeah, yeah. Yeah. In this day and age, the Cowboys are one of the only teams in the league that just does the boring flour down linemen and guy, I mean left end, right end. Those teams have no idea what that even means. The Packers, I watched the tape of them heading into that game, like they use one and two down linemen regular base. Sure they'll they'll put Kenny Clark on the nose and then just have five other guys kind of moving around

the line of scrimmage. Uh no, But well, on one guy that comes to mind, I have no idea what he's doing. I think he's in Miami. But Cordrea Tankersley, Yeah, that's you know, he might be the best cornerback in the world for what they do, but I don't know that he would be successful here. Sure, you know, press press man guy. Yeah, I don't know that that works with how the Cowboys like to play their dbs. So

I think there is scheme matters a little bit. Yeah, but if you rush the pass or you rush the pig, don't you get disrupt, don't overthink? All right? Yeah? Yeah, And the last guy I want to get to because I want to get to Dane. I'm gonna give Dane some time to kind of run through some tell me more guys. We talked about cream Hunt three eighty six, Kansas City, unbelievable. Then John Dorsey gets fired. He looks, I mean, he looks every bit to them, like what

Zeke looked like? Here he is there Dak Prescott this year isn't Yeah? Yeah, the late the third fourth round guy, take it. We talked about him in Mobile. We liked them. We liked them a lot. I mean I feel foolish for giving him a third round grade because you know, why would you feel foolish? I mean that's because we like but that's why. That's where the Chiefs got him. But why not why I battle with this because okay, why didn't I have him hire? You know what traits? Yeah,

that's a that's a thing. What traits? What traits put him in the third round? Don't you like? You can't beat yourself up like that, though in the same way, so you can. It's it's part of self evaluation. It is self evaluation, figuring out, Okay, why didn't we have him higher, and you know, trying not to overcompensate moving forward, you know, try to learn from them. You always want to learn from But I say, it's the same thing. If you redrafted twenty sixteen right now, you'd probably take

Dak first. Overall, he's going first. Does that mean that everybody who said anything about quarterback was wrong? Or does that mean that you know, you identified the trades, you identified what he does well and what he doesn't do well, and then you put him in a situation that's just like, you know, a match to Kindling. He's got a great offensive line, he's got a scheme and a coaching staff that know how to work with him. He's got a

run that coaches staff. With Westbrook, those guys Sproul, I mean, I mean only that's Sprouls, but no Westbrook, they had those guys. Slippery player. It's it's this would Kareem and maybe he would be, But would you know, would Kareem Hunt be doing this if Alex Smith wasn't having the best season of his life. I think he's helping Alex Smith. He most certainly is. I'm not trying to take credit away from anybody. I guess he's the reason why Alex Smith's yards per throw has gone up if every time

he throws him the ball he seems like he ghosts. Well, and we're also probably not talking about Karem Hunt right now. If Spencer Ware doesn't get hurt, sure and Spencer aware was going to be the starter, I mean, will you still would have seen Kareem Hunt? But that matter? What if Tarik Hill wasn't scaring the crap out of every defense that he lines up against because he's so fast. So, I you know, to some degree, you grade the player, you identify him, you figure out what he does, well,

you slot him. Sometimes you're gonna be dead on right and sometimes you're gonna be drastically long. Well, it's different with I think like a quarterback like Dak who you know that was that was tough to predict. I don't know anyone that thought that would see this coming. But with Kareem Hunt, are we really that surprised because we,

like we thought he was capable of this. So that one I'm I you know, bothers me having a third round grade on him having some running backs ahead of him, But I mean, none of us are surprised with when he's a good player. I guess, I guess my point. Really, you know, you weren't wrong in the sense that you put him right where the NFL thought he would go. Right, you had a third round grade on him. He was drafting the third round. He's wildly exceeding those expectations. And

sometimes stuff like that happens. Sometimes sometimes Laquon Treadwell still doesn't have ten catches and we all thought he was the freaking man. Yeah, that's about that. That's the one where you know, you remember remember the missus more? Do you remember the hits? I trust me on that. I loved that guy. Yeah. I was watching the Vikings last night. I'm just like, God, this is embarrassing. He doesn't even

get on. I struggle with that one because that's I look at a big, strong receiver now and I think, yeah, you gonna be like like one treadmill, what truck will now? Yeah? What? Yah? Treadmill is right because he's just going in place. All right, good point like that? All right, Well, listen, we're gonna take one final break in the last ten minutes of the show. I want Dane Brugler to tell us some more about some guys we need to keep an eye

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Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us, Dan Burglar, David Hellman William Boykin's helping us out with all the uh, the moving and shaken in that control room. Dan, I just want to kind of flip the show over to you. I had about ten minutes or so kind of talk about you've you've already hammered through a bunch of guys. David myself, we get started this thing around the first of December and met the earlier of things happened. All right, let's not be defeatist here now, defeat I used to get

started on the first of December. You got started in the first of December in twenty fifteen when they were four. And I did it last year too, Did you really I'm gonna do it again? I do. I get the itch to see, but kind of go through you know, and you don't have to be positioned specific but just some of the guys and and if if there's a couple of guys like, hey, keep an eye on this guy from Utah or keep an eye on this guy

from Colorado State that might might tickle our fancies. Well, first thing I'll say, and I hate to say this, but I don't think this draft class is gonna be as talented as this past draft class. Or as deep, which hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully the junior class, underclassman will really help us out with the seniors. But I think and the names at the top two you know, Miles Garrett, we knew all along was the top player this year. We don't have that top guy, that clear cut top guy.

But I think there are five players, five college prospects for me, who were kind of in that upper tier that are going to be looked at very favorably. You have two quarterbacks, Sam Darnold from USC and Josh Rosen UCLA. Then you have a running back, say Quon Barkley from Penn State. Oh he's good, he's great. And then two dbs Minca Fitzpatrick from Alabama and then Derwin James from Florida State. I think those five players have a chance to be big time studs, go high in the draft.

And then after that there are a lot of potential guys. A guy like arden Key from LSU, A player like Lamar Jackson from Louisville who you know, you watched the highlights, the flashes. He's a right handed Mike Vick, but as a downfield pastor, a lot of question marks, a lot of things we still have to figure out with Lamar Jackson. So there are a lot of names, uh you know, on these on these lists that are worth following, guys that can help this team out a lot of teams down.

But you know, I just don't think as it's going to be as deep as past years. Do you have a position though that maybe has I mean we've had drafts before where we've had three or four quarterbacks. A couple of years ago, the Dak Prescott Draft, we had three or four quarterbacks that where people were talking about, is there is there a position wide receiver, cornerback. I know you just said there wasn't a deep but maybe a position that you know, hey, some team's gonna get

lucky because there will be offensive tackles there. I mean, the New York Giants have to clearly be looking and saying, oh wait, give me every guard tackle on that board right now. I haven't been excited about this tackle class for a second year in a row. But you look at the quarterbacks and the junior class who comes out, it'll be interesting. I mentioned darn Old and Rosen, Lamar Jackson. You also have Josh Allen from Wyoming who is going to be what's happened to him. It's been a rough,

rough patch for him, hasn't it a little bit? He's going to be the toughest discussion in war rooms. This more tougher than Mahomes. Yeah, I think so because at least Mahomes. You know, Mahomes had the production. You look at his stat line and you that makes you go woa, yeah. But with Allen, you still have a raw player without the production, and a big part of that is the supporting cast and the circumstances around him. But how do you factor all that in? Because when you look at

Josh Allen, he's elite from a size, arm strength, athleticism perspective. Okay, Wentz, this is it the same evaluation that we had North Dakota State. We're gonna we're gonna hear that comparison a lot because they're coached by the same guy too, Rick boll Right. But with Wentz, you I think you just saw more natural passing instincts with Wentz, even though he only started a year and a half and a big

thing for Josh Allen will be senior Bowl. He's a Richard junior, but he's on pace to graduate and if he graduates by December, he can get an invite to the Senior Bowl. That'll be big for him to have a week with NFL coaches. Everything I hear from the makeup the character is great. But again, you just at some point you have to see him play better than his supporting cast, uplift his receivers who aren't helping him. He lost seventy percent of his completions from last year,

so you know, we can call him excuses. I call it context. All of this matters in the evaluation. He will be the toughest discussion that teams have when they discussed the quarterback Cowboys need to pass rush yourself about And I was going to ask you about arden Key. I mean on it, like you want to talk about incomplete. Arden Key hasn't had a season yet. I think he played against Florida and they won and he did some things. He's gotten pressure on quarterback when he's played, but he's

been hurt. He had surgery right before the season. He's been been in and out of the lineup to the point where like it feels like he hasn't even really gotten started yet. And you know there's still two months left in the season. So there are a lot of questions about how much is he Randy Gregory. Sounds like he's got some Yeah, there are quite those questions that are gonna follow him. He's gonna be a scrutinized guy,

let's put it that way very much so. But then, okay, are people now gonna are they gonna blackball in because of Randy Gregory? I just called him Randy Gregory. Well, straight up, I don't. I don't have enough of an idea of him to want to paint him in that light, you know what I mean. I know, between the injury and the maturity issues, he took a sabbatical from football basically in the off season, and we're seeing that now because he's not in football. Shit. Yeah, uh, he's gonna

be heavily scrutinized. I'm not ready to call him Randy Gregory again. I mean, I watch LSU as a fan on Saturdays, but I'm not studying players the way that we do during the off season. So I know he's ridiculously talented based on talent alone, I mean, in a Randy Gregory since you probably think he's top ten in terms of talent coming out of this draft, class, but everything else is going to play into it. I have no idea what to expect. Could that runner at Penn

State be the first overall pick. I think he could. Yeah, and that's something we haven't seen in over twenty years. Could John Carter State guy? But you know we've seen Curtis Enis he went later. No, I'm just yeah, Penn State running backs that didn't pan out, that's funny, you know. I mean, I'd love to tell my Fred Taylor stories. Yeah, Tom Coughlin, he wanted to draft Curtis Enis and like, and then the Bears took him, and he like through the phone. He picked the draft phone and threw it

at the wall and then and then drafted Fred Taylor. Unbelief. How about that? Uh? I mean he is that type of player. Uh, He's He's not the same in pass protection as Zeke. He's not the same blocker, but he's just a little more special when it comes to his movements, his ability to create with the ball in his hands. And that's saying something compared. You know how much we like Ezekiel Elliott. The last two drafts, we've seen a running back go four overall. This year. I think we're

gonna see a running back go top three. Question is, and it depends on who has the top three picks, but how it all works out? Is he better than any running back that's come out in the last three or three or four years. My comparison for him, and I don't say this lightly because it's a Hall of Famer, but Ladinian Tomlinson. Wow, So I'll do this. Whoa. I mean,

it's he's definitely in that discussion. Uh, you know, we can debate him and Zeke and I think he's better than he running back I saw last year, so that includes four Nette and Cook McCaffrey. But you know it's I don't want to put him too high on a pedestal just yet, but you know, he's he's a player. We're gonna be talking about a lot going high, I know. So I know we're running out of time. We're good. I'm gonna do my thing that I typically do and

turn this to the Cowboys real quick. Yeah, I'm thinking I was thinking about this coming into this show. Your draft needs right now? How do you feel about that for this team? You better? I'm yeah. You mentioned pass rush arden Key, that's great, and about linebacker well, so we don't know what's gonna happen with de Marcus Lawrence. Yeah, he's he's heading into free Ah. Maybe he's a franchise tack guy. Maybe he's not Taco Charlton certainly doesn't look

like a guy that you're building. You're you know, you're not thinking of him as your cornerstone right now. Everybody's holding their breath right now. So defensive end, sure, yeah, but I'm taking a heavy, heavy look at linebacker. I am too. And guard, yeah, this team guard. They need a guard, Brian, they need a guard. Yeah. And I you know, you think you know Constant. I think he

just told you the tackle class is weak. Well, luckily, I don't think you need a tack no. No, but I'm saying if you wanted to move, if you wanted to move, wow Collins back to guard. I don't know. All I know is Dane says this all the time. The offensive line is the strength of your team. So just keep pumping recent Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah. So if you wanted to tell me that a guard is the first round pick for this team in twenty eighteen, I'm fine with that. If the guy is good with an

offensive line, you're only as strong as your weakest link. Exactly. That's a top ten pick. You go and guard, I mean, don't you can't. Yeah, well I'm just asking leave it at this. There there is a guard, Quentin Nelson from Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Okay, could they go Notre Dame offensive line again? Uh? He is arguably a top ten player. This They gotta tackle there too, Right to me, he's more of a second round guy. Yeah. If this team is picking in the top ten, which for the record,

I don't expect that to happen. Okay, they better get a pass rusher because that's all we said last year was yeah, well you you can't find a pass rusher at twenty eight. Those guys are all on top ten. Yeah, you're right, so go get Art and Key right hub, NC State, Yes, that's they're they're gonna you're drafting top ten. You want a pass rusher, that's the guy to know. And hey, chub right North Carolina State? Hub, Yeah, that's not to be confused with the chub that runs the

ball for Georgia right there. Cousins, their cousins are cousins. Um, But you look at the Giants they're ending towards the top five pick. Could what sae Quon Barkley in this division? Oh jeez, could they maybe go to the quarterback of the future. Oh didn't they Jeff Davis Webb? I said, quarterback of the future. You love Davis Webb? No are you really? Are you really not gonna draft Sam Darnold because you have Davis Webb? Just no way, no way.

I think Josh Rosen I minds me a lot of Eli Manning several ways, so I go that could that could fit? All right? There are Ruben Foster in this draft. No, I mean Ruben Foster. Yeah, he was a little different. But Alabama does have another big time linebacker, Rashaan Evans. I don't think he's quite I guarantee he'll have his shoulder problems, a knee and a broken rib. Evans that time he gets the combine, he'll have all those things. Kuan Smith from Georgia. Two big time linebackers. I'm ready

for Mobile, guys, let's do it. We got we got some days before Mobile. Hey Dane, thank you man. Get back on the road. Scout some more for us. Okay, we need some more. David Hellman, thanks Brian, keep your eye on that h that list as well. So hey, all right, that's good at all to be able to do today here on the Draft Show. Thanks to everybody out there that is hanging with us. Thanks for always appreciating the draft and and studying it hard, working hard

about it. We will be back with you guys after the first of the year, right before the week before the Senior Bowl, we will have a couple of shows and then we'll start the journey all over again. So from my scouting buddies Day Burglar, David Hellman, William Boykins, executive producer, I'm Brian Brons. Thanks for joining us here in the Draft Show and we'll see you in January.