Draft Day LIVE - Day 3

dot Com of the NFL Draft. Brian brought us along with David Hellman, Dane Brugler, and we're gonna get this program started in a special way because we have a special coach here, a special teacher in a lot of different ways. You know. I'm very excited. I've always been my times of being in National Football League and evaluating coaches. This is one of the those outstanding guys when you watch on the field, and I'm talking about Rod Marinelli and the things that he's able to get from his

players and what his players learned from him. Coach, Welcome, and thank you so much for taking some time with us today. My pleasure. Thanks for allowing me to be here coach. We yesterday we went through this whole day with Randy Gregory, and you know, and had a chance to visit with Randy Gregory, and you know, the talent was there. Everything about Randy Gregory, the off the field stuff is a question mark about him, but again the talent,

We've evaluated the talent. We know what that talents. When we had a chance to talk to him, he brought up a player that I'm very familiar with Simeon Rice, And I want to get from you because Simeon Rice, to me, was always a guy that when Arizona maybe a little bit bit underachiever, but when you took him over, you made him into this elite type of a player. Is that a fair comparison Simeon Rice with what we get with Randy Gregory here? You know it is some

You know, Simeon was special. I mean he came out of college that he's a special athlete, specially special player, got the great mental makeup to be for the position, and he just took off. And I think part of it was we had a heck of a defense too, Sap and Brooks and Lynch and those guys Barber and uh. But as I look at the two, I see the same length. Uh, the frame is very similar, the band is very similar, and the passion for the position is similar. The U when it's so hard to find those elite

rushers and and and you talk about the bin. So he has all those traits that you're you're looking at though, and so is the traits though any different, Like, say, is is he a right he's just a right defensive end in the way you play in your scheme. I think it's he's a right end because they're so they're difficult to find a third down rusher like that. I mean, it really is tough. And but he could rush from

either side. It doesn't matter. He'd be good either either side because he would be a mismatch for the right tackle athletically. But you just try to get as many good rushers on your team and put him in positions to rush. And now certain guys will command a slide or a chip and then hopefully you get one or

two guys singled up. Coach, very fortunate last night to hear a little bit of the audio from when you guys actually called Randy to let him know he was going to be the pick and We've heard about off field stuff, him having issues in the past, and something was really interesting to me was that he told you that that he wants you to be ard on him. He wants you to coach him hard and hold him accountable.

Can you just explain to us, maybe a little more in detail, your your role in that and y'all providing this kind of structure for him to kind of walk that straight and narrow path. You know, I think it's for every player. You know, I've always kind of talked to you, try to coach a man first and the player second, and that's about I think just about accountability. It's uh, you know too right every second of every day.

And I think he's got great passion for the game, there's no doubt, and now it's just about times to be humble, take accountability and helped his football team, and then I hold him accountable. Once that stated, whatever we state, then it's then I'm going to hold you accountable. I don't think you go into ten thousand rules and all this stuff. For me, we know what needs to be done and it's just time to go do what we're

supposed to do. What's your impression, I mean, he was here earlier during the draft process, you got to meet with him a little bit. What's your impression of how he can handle that and respond to your style? You know, I've always held one thing, and so it's high esteem. Is when a guy really loved football, they'll change. If you really really been around guys like that, then they really love football and they practice and they play hard

that it becomes so important to him. Then the structure they can see and help him make them better, they usually buy into that. It's I struggle with guys to be honest with the underachievers with talent, you know, or they struggle with me, I should say. And because I think, you know, you don't want to be disrespectful to this game. Cowboys added another talented player in the first round with Byron Jones. A lot of things like about him, talk

about maybe his versatility and what that brings to your defense. Yeah, and he's got position flexibility, so that's really great, you know. And we got another big, good looking, fast corner because we are you know, we probably lead off with man coverage, you know, we like it. We will go up there impress people and and it buys time for the rush and some of those things, so we couldn't be more excited. He's an overachiever. He's really into football, really loves football.

But now you get this league is getting so many tall, big receivers and now you match him was He's a guy that's got the speed and the range and he's a very high intellect guy. Really likes it. Coach the you talk about the position flex and it seems like though that the players that you've added as you go with the intent of like Hitchens and you know he's

played several different started all three positions. Is that something though you're a long time NFL man and have you seen it's like it's now about the guys that can

play the most positions. It's not about really just playing one position, but I need you to play two or three positions because exactly what you've talked about, the different matchups you face every week, no question, and I think you go into it and saying there's corners out there that that's a speed position in college right now, and

those guys can move inside. You look at you look for will linebackers and they now can play all three backup position because the movement as speed, your hands, sometimes your left hands can move into being an undertackle like Tyrone with a quickness. So you're you're always trying to look for athleticism and that football character guys and guys

who want to come to work. And then I think you're going to be in good shape when I when I look at your team, though, you've you've taken a guy like Nick Hayden and and made him into a player that you know when you watch him play and things like that. He's one of those guys that looks like a perfect fit for playing your one. Is there certain positions though at the inside spot? I know you what you come at the three, but there is there some things you want to maybe upgrade a little bit.

And I don't mean that disrespect to Nick. Is there a more of an athletic guy now in the draft and maybe in this third day that's on the board. I'm not asking to give a government secrets here, but is there somebody on that board though that it kind of fits what you're looking at, maybe as an as an upgrade at maybe your one technique. I think all vos are looking as part of the league. But Nick, now I'm telling he, I don't know. People sometimes we see what a good athlete he is, right, he's like

a big linebacker in there at times. And I know he is got great feet, great movement, Terrell, I think he's got We've got Jack Crawford and go inside some of those things. So but you always look, you know, that's part of the part of the deal. You every day you're trying to get better. But I'm really pleased

with some of those guys. So you're like the way things are shaping up, especially with the addition though with with Randy Gregory and then and then you know Hardy Inner Russia as well though, but your Rushiman kind of get up created there all across the board there. Yeah, and they're all good high achievers you know that really love football, you know. And plus with Mints and all those other guys, with guy, it's it's getting to be

a highly competitive group. All right. Well, coach, thank you so much for stopping buying a great start to our day, our third day in the draft coverage. So, Rod Marinelli one of the great teachers that I've ever been around. You talk about coaches, but this man's a teacher, and I think that's the most important thing. When you talk about a lot of bunch of guys that you know, these players, they have to come in, they have to learn, and he is one of the guys that I have

the utmost respect for for that job. Not at all, Not at all. And you know, he gave you a little insight about what he thought about h. Randy Gregory. He's gonna worry about the football side of it, but then he's gonna make him accountable. And I think that's what we all need. Everybody out there needs to hear that. The Cowboys. It's not just show up and rush the passer. It's gonna be Hey, you're gonna have to be accountable. He's gonna coach this guy hard. And that's a good thing.

And that's a good question on your part. Steven Stephen Jones said it last night. I mean, I don't think you can understate. You know, maybe they're not as willing to make that pick if they don't have Rod Marinelli. You know, he's I mean, he's Hall of Fame level coach. He's done this before on the field side of things, but also has you know, great teacher, hard nosed guy's not gonna take any nonsense. And I think knowing that they have him there to mold Randy Gregory, I mean

DeMarcus Lawrence too for that matter. All I mean just having him there, I'm sure it gives you loads more confidence than just about any other defensive line coach in the league. Well that's uh, you know, and that's uh, that's what this thing's all about. Though. It's about getting in, getting in and bringing all these players together and trying to get we We thought that the biggest questions going

into season last year was this defense. And I have to feel good that a guy like Rod Marinella can come in and get those players and he gets I asked about Nick Hayden because last night was there questions about Carl Davis, you know, on the board and things

like that, and take them might have taken him. Yeah, I mean so they you know there there's there's some players and Dane will get into uh some of the guys that we see uh still on the board uh going forward here, Uh defensive lineman, we Newness roaches, Uh, Grady Jarrett. There's some guys that are still on this board,

uh that can that can help this football team. Dane um as it uh as they continue to try add pieces for this defense, right and it'd be interesting, Um who's available for them here in the fourth obviously, UH, don't pick for a while here, So you know, Willem Michael Bennett slip through the cracks and land. Will that be a possibility for the Cowboys here in the fourth round? Rokiem Newnis roach as a player we both like a lot. Yes,

could he slip there? And so a lot of options on defense, also on offense, you know with you know the running back position. Obviously, I think that's what cowboys want to Cowboys fans want to know if is there a running back out there that the Cowboys have their eye on? Here? Is there a target? And so a Jagie we keep bringing up that name. We've we talked about the knee issues. At some point he becomes worth

the risk. And again, team doctors, team trainers, they'll tell you, we can't tell you if he'll play ten games or four years. There's just no way to know. And so because that knee issue, and that's that's the gamble. So a fourth round, do you take that gamble? You can take worse risks here in the fourth round. And now we're joined here by Bill Jones, who will uh, I will want a letdout after Marinelli, Bill Jones, now Bill Jones on exactly and and and Bill will will anchor

our coverage for the remainder of the day. He had a television work yesterday and his uh in this market, as a lot of you know, is really tied into what the Cowboys do. He's got a really nice take on these draft picks. So third day is always a day for the scouts. I consider these men in this room, these two right here are well so excited. This man right yeah, this this is what's all about. But this man right here who will carry you the rest away with us? As we finished this journey up in the

NFL Draft bill, we talked to Rod Marinelli. We talked about a lot of different things. More so not so much the off the field stuff, but what uh these players would with Byron Jones, but Gregory and what they can bring talk about yesterday though obviously the Gregory one though, was the one that's got everybody buzzing right now. Yep. And I was on record in the first round and saying no, I would not take him. So it was David Helmet first round. But I think that's okay. I

said it in the second round. Yeah, but I mean I do think I did say, like second third round not so much of a problem. I felt better about the Gregory pick actually after listening to him on the conference call too. It's absolutely absolutely he he I mean, like I said last night, it's one step out of many, many, many steps. But Randy Gregory's first couple of steps as

a Cowboy have been pretty encouraging. I think just what you've heard on the phone with the front office was what he said on the phone with us here in our studio and with the Dallas media. And the other thing is, you know, I've got limited time. I can't I can't spend as much time as you as all three of you do, don't act. I covered the Rangers and the Maverick, the playoffs and all that's the important right now. Try Yeah, I'm trying to study these prospects

as much as possibly got. I gotta narrow it down a little bit, right. And so, since Ray Gregory was a top ten pick, I barely even looked at him because what were the chances he was even going to be there as an opportunity for the Cowboys in the first round, much less the second round. So I was scrambling yesterday, just trying to get up on him, you know, and so I wasn't able. And that's one of the

things that I look at. You guys are great at being able to look at tape and time and see, but and you know what you're looking for on tape. I'm a novice at this, and what I look at a lot of times is sort of the makeup of the player. I look at the way he interviews that sort of theme, because I think that's important in the process. And I hadn't been able to really listen to Randy Gregory talk. After hearing him on a conference call, I

feel better about him now. He obviously has issues, and I think that this organization has enough in the way of help for players like that, and they've proven it over time too that they can give him everything he needs to to it and be successful. Now it's ultimately going to be on him. I think what really I took away from from him him I agree with you on and the fact that we got to interview him. I think he is a humbled guy, and I hope you know, I don't want to be fooled. I don't

want to be the guy I don't want to. I don't want to be a guy that maybe this guy has been a talented football player all his life and and you know he's used to and I'm just gonna say it, used to this lye into people, you know, and I think you have to be conscious of is this guy's sincere and any come in and you know, listening to Marinelli talk, it's about it's about being humble, but it's about being accountable. And I keep going back to that because he's gonna have to be accountable to

this defense, to his teammates. You know, he can't get into the brushes or I shouldn't say brushes because it's not a law of thing. It's more of a well failing tests. How about selfishness is if I'm using a product focus, Yeah, and that's and that's you know, if you don't focus with Rod Marinelli, you're gonna have problems. You're gonna have a lot of problems. I feel a lot better about it knowing that that guy is in

charge of Randy Gregory's development. And I think too, you look at Leon Lett and Leon letting his own struggles with and not saying drug, but his own struggles with coming out and being more you know, leon Lett was very shy, yeah, and you know, and he had his struggles. His refuge was playing the game, you know, and not having to deal. But Randy Gregory, to me, seems like he can deal with the with us. But he's got to deal with those coaches, and he's got to deal

with those teammates. And he's gonna say, don't forget about that locker room. Yeah, And that's the thing. And I think that that is, you know, as long as he comes in and he works, then you could see the elite type talent. And it doesn't take Dame Bruegler to see that Randy Gregory can play football. That doesn't that that's there's no question in my mind about that. And let's remember too, he turns twenty three during the season, So this isn't like Leonard Williams, who's a twenty year old.

I'm still a very young kid. Randy Gregory's you know, he's gonna turn twenty three during the season. He's old enough to you know, understand exactly what we're saying. And

hopefully he buys into that. You know, you really hope that the past habits and uh, you know, the inconsistent focus issues are no longer problems, and so he's going to a locker room where uh, you know, there are there's some seniority, some leadership, and so hopefully you can just look at the first round pick and Byron Jones and you know, look at that the character he has and the exactly in the middle hopefully polar opposite. Yeah, they did that. That That war room went polar opposite

on you. What I did. I would pay a substantial amount of money, all right, maybe not a substantial amount I'd pay. I'd pay good money to be a fly on the wall in the Dallas Cowboys defensive line room this year. That is a fascinating room. I mean, you got two DeMarcus Lawrence, you got two second round draft picks who are basically first roun on draft picks. Yes, you got the most hot button player in the NFL, and Greg Hardy. You got Jeremy You got Jeremy Mintzi,

who's kind of into the locker room leader. Yeah. Who else is in there? Tyrone Crawford waits what nicky Nick Hayden team leader? None of the fans seem to like the guy, but Rod Marinelli loves him. I just I would love to watch game film with Rod Mary Oh, and Rod Marinelli will be in there too, So for good men, you know. But you look back at the Cowboys Super Bowl teams of the nineties and they had

those sames. Absolutely the key is to have enough of a core group of players that can control of those who might go off the reservation at times. And I think I got to get started here, by the way. Yeah, we are there, we go. I got a trust Rod Marinelli. You're ready. Hey, here we are day three before we uh, before we begin today, Chicago are great fans. It looks like he's about to go yachting. All of you deserve a lot of credit for making the draft bigger and

better than ever. It's because of the passion for football that's headed out to the cup. Thank the Mayor, We thank all the people that make all this a reality. So thank you very much on behalf of all of us in the NFL. Before we also begin, great scene there to introduce the number one Bears fan, the chairman of the Chicago Bears, George McCaskey. All those people for rounds four, three, seven, drafts friends, hair, Wow, it's the sun I said out the Running Bears Friands hair, Well,

we listened to this. What do you think about this being here maybe next year? The team I'm excited. I think it would be a spectacle like anything we've ever seen, because I think we could take our show and do be right there in the middle of right there on the plaza, Yeah, assuming good weather, and we can move inside it stay wherever in the draft where so many fans from all over the Midwest could come here and cheer on their teams. And let's do it again here

next year. No, let's not, let's do it here next year. Yeah, thank you, mister McCaskey. With with the excitement, with the excitement that this has generated up in Chicago, I have got to I've got to believe that Jerry and Stephen Jones are salivating at the prospect of doing the draft here. Yeah. I think so too. Yeah. And the NFL is interested on taking it, taking it on the road, making it a for lack of a better way to describe it,

a traveling circus. Well, and consider this, they had, as I mentioned the other day, over seventy nine thousand applicants for tickets to get in there that first day of the draft, and I think you got a venue over there in Arlington that can handle that. I'm out, Yeah, you don't have to turn away anybody there you go. I'm just looking on the screen right now. Then they're showing it. I know this is bad for what we're doing on radio. But Joel Bussers, they're honoring him. I

believe this is his last draft. He was. Yeah, he's the it was longtime director of the NFL, the player player personnel department for the NFL. He was the guy you always dealt with with trades. He is the guy that told give me a jersey of forty. So it must be forty years of doing this. So Joel Bussard retiring from the NFL. Joel Buster was the one that told Stephen Jones when we tried to make a trade on the clock with the time, ever do it again,

don't ever do that again. It's Stephen Jones dove onto the table to get Bill Jones' favorite safety, Roy Williams fine from the University of Went That's right. But Joel Busser, longtime NFL executive going on. You know, he wasn't a bad safety until he ate too many biscuits. No, and you know you might have thought about putting him up. It's gonna happen right here in the selection square. You'll be able to see it directly back to the commission.

We also are going to be announcing picks from each of the thirty two teams, and round four is now officially open. The Tennessee Titans are now on the clock. Yeah, Tennessee funneled by New England and Oakland with the first three picks, and of course, the Cowboys pick at number one twenty seven, the twenty eighth pick of this fourth round. All right, let's talk about the Cowboys and where you think they might go. Of course, we don't know what's going to be on the board at one twenty seven.

But what do you think need wise right now agonizing weight to the end of the round? Well, I mean you wrote a story about it this morning that you can check out on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Plug. I think that to me, And I'm getting opposition from my plaid wearing colleague across the table from me, David Hellman. Yeah, I was just listening tiny gym. Yeah, so we got the camera working here, so we're doing a little we're

doing good there. But I will say this though, I think that to me, Bryce Petty makes a lot of sense this point in time, and I'm going to start the journey and I'm gonna start the journey with Bryce Petty. Do you think you have to trade up to get him? I remember those quarterbacks all went in the first ten picks. I am just throwing the name out there right now. Do you want Bryce Petty bad enough that you're gonna

trade for him? You? I mean, I don't. I mean, we can't move up to the early part of the fourth You know what, every name that we thought might be there or we thought would be gone, has stay, has has slid down that board. We thought Bryce Petty would be a second round pick. Yeah, I mean exactly. So it's not a we were to call him for me if he if he does slip. So they it's like Coach Marinelli, visit him with us here a little bit. Get the wrong phone, grab the wrong phone, coach, somebody's phone.

This one's everybody's checking phones here. So I am at a loss. Coach. You just gotta brand new. You have your phone? Oh okay, okay, all right, good luck today. Coach Rod Marinelli. That's the great thing about live radio, just get random visits from legendary phone. I do have

his phone. No, she got on p Yeah you know you know, yeah, check that text mess I think that I can go ahead and say this, yeah, and it's this provides the opportunity since he came in here looking for his phone yesterday during the draft one Randy Gregory, I'm hurt. I hear was texting him throughout the draft leading leading up to the pig Well, you can tell by what the emojis, yeah and yip he wore, he wore. Ask people, what is it? What is this? What is

this smiley faced out here? Anyway, that's hilarious. Day three, Um, you know, obviously Day one, Day two, the first three rounds, top one hundred picks basically that's where your fireworks are. That's where, uh, you know a lot of the big name players are drafted. But Day three that's when you build your roster, right, that's when you find your depth. Now, a lot of these guys that are picked today, they won't cut it, but a lot of the guys that are picked today will be the guys that round out

your roster. That when your star goes down. They have to see the field. And you know, you look at the Cowboys and just look at the players on that roster who we're not taking in the top one hundred picks, and there's quite a few, So a lot of reasons to be paying attention to what the teams do today. Tennessee picking right now, the pick is in. Of course they've gone with Mariota, DGB and Potassi attackles. Have you gone all offense with their first three picks. I'm not

a bad start, yeah, I kind of. I was not. We all understand who the first two, you know, the quarterback and the receiver. Putassi though, Dane. I thought a guy that maybe a much better pass blocker than a run blocker. I thought for a big guy, had some ruining, nice feet. You know, it's a team really trying to build rebuild their offensive line, you know, so, uh you know that that wasn't I thought a bad pick. So here we go with the Titans from the Tennessee National

Guard Headquarters in Nashville. Oh you know what, I remember him saying, they're gonna do this in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans would like to welcome Captain Trey Robinson from the Tennessee Air National Guard. With the first pick of the fourth round, number one hundred overall, the Tennessee Titans select Angelo Blacks and defensive tackle from Auburn. Angelo Blocks A little bit of a surprise there. I don't think he's the best defensive tackle on Auburn's team.

I was gonna say, I was expecting to hear another Auburn d tackle called yeah that to me when he was not a guy. When I watched him play though, I saw a guy that got tied up way too much on the blocks. And and you know when when teams were when they were handling him a lot of single blocks. You talk about those inside guys. I'm looking for a guy that can you know when the guard and the center both get on you, that you're finding a way to get to the ball. And I just

had a real problem with this guy overall. Even like you say, the single blocks were taking him out of the play. I understand the size and all that and what he is, but as far as a down after down consistent player, I just didn't see it. And Gabe right still available. They had their choice of either one of those Auburn guys if they wanted him. Yeah, very active player special teams and on defense. Had four blocked

kicks on special teams. So a player that he needs work, they need to pop the hood and you know, get in there and uh, you know, refigure some stuff there. But a player that has consistent I mean, but it just got blocked all the time, you know, you know, I just looking at his combined numbers. That combine numbers were slightly better than Gabe right, for whatever that's worth. Yeah, So there's a lot of people like Gabe right more I like Gabe right a lot. Yeah. And New England,

I see is next on the clock. I'm just gonna throw something out because I've got I've got They they I sat, I sat with their guys at the Senior Bowl. I sat with their scouts at the Senior Bowl. Watched this practice and they told you the tray this is gonna be Trey Flowers. Yeah, they have waited, they've this. They they talk about Trey Flowers and there there's the pick. Yeah. See that's insight you don't get anywhere else. They think that Trey Flowers. They love the flat. The fact that

when ball was run to his side. He was not given up that corner. So they they're very excited. They were sitting on this pick. I thought he was gonna be a third round pick for them, But here he is. Top of the Patriots have done now, taking Malcolm Brown in the first round. In Trey Flowers here in the fourth round is younger. Yeah, he's got a lot younger in that, uh for sure right there, eighty four and

a half. He just eats guys up. So Trey Flower, that was you know, that was They couldn't say enough thing during the senior here? Did you not? I did, because when you watched him play, he's I don't know how, He's always around the ball. He's always one of those guys that when the when it was snapped, he's getting blocked and then all of a sudden he's there. He's tackle for lass, he's up the field, he gets you know, gets plays wide, but the ball doesn't get outside of him.

So you know that Bielam is on NFL Network talking about it. Yeah, and they also took Lorenzo Malden in the third round or actually that's that was the Jets. I'm sorry, I'm on the wrong pag Geno Grissom from Oklahoma, my man who by the way, I think Nick Saban gave his good friend Bill Belichick a great scouting report on Geno Grissom because you're remember he scoring a touchdown for my Sooners against the Crimson Tide in a Sugar Bowl. But I digress that was his best game he probably

ever played. That's exactly right. All right, we got Oakland on the board now with a trade. Oh hell, okay, it looks like yeah, it looks like the Panthers are now on d You know, we've talked about the Panthers, uh, in a lot of different ways. As far as uh, I thought safety was something that we Vince Vince visited about the other night. Uh, we see offensive lineman, so we'll talk about the tackle. They haven't taken an offensive tackle,

have they in this draft. They're stubborn about that offensive tackle? Yeah? There, but this might be an opportunity. I mean we we've we in the pre well, we had coach, but we've talked about Darryl Williams before. We've talked about other recommendation. I've watched him. Yeah, Clemmings with the foot, I mean, he's gonna be mention guy. And yeah, point today, I'm like, what's going Like this must be the worst stress fracture

of all time. I had him in the first round. Boards, I had him in the first round, and he must be off the boards. But but but at some point, at the same thing that we're talking about with Jay and Jai, like, at some point, aren't you just like this is he played with it? Though he's at the Senior Bowl playing with it. So I don't I don't quite know what's in But they think his foot's gonna fall off. I don't know. Yeah, by the way, Caroline has taken Shack Thompson in the first round and then

Devin Funchius in the second round. Okay, there you go. So they went, they did, They stayed with they had they needed. They had a wide receiver need and then a linebacker need. Is a third and so they wanted to get up and get as close to the third. You mentioned Arryl Williams, and I think a guy that just blocks out the sun what he does on the right side in the run game. Definitely a right tackle right and but he's not exactly fleet of foot, but the long arms, I mean, he's he can play in

arms twenty seven pounds. He moves well for a three hund and thirty pounder. I mean, he does it. So I didn't like him. Here, I liked him. I liked him if if he's just gonna play right tackle, but if you're looking for a swing tackle. If something happened with Tyrn Smith, I didn't rike him because he could not play the left side. He plays a grown man version of the game. It really does. Yeah, next tone, now,

now saw our next pick. In twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Carolina Pounds would like to welcome PSA I Wanner Christopher Stratt all right Chris. With a third pick, up the fourth round, number one out two overall, the Carolina Panthers select Darryl Williams. There you go, right there. See, we've been talking about the offensive tackle. They needed a left tackle though, I mean, but they really Michael Or has been a guy that they've They seem to like

Michael Or a lot. And Dane, you're not too excited about Michael must be watching his old mistape and not what he's done watching the movie. Yeah, but hey whatever, we'll see what happens with that. But Darryl Williams is a good pick here in the fourth. If you're getting him outside the top one hundred, you like that value. He's a plug and play type. I mean, he's ready to go right now, line them up. It's Mike Dallas, Dallas suburb. Yeah, it sounds like the Martin kid. They

signed Jonathan Martin too, didn't they? The Carolina Panthers. I I know, I'm asking a lot of quick the Stanford to go get my other notebook. I got all that inform. Yeah, but but you know, when you talk about the Panther said you know that, it seems like to me they're they're loading up on right tackles. Who are the left tackles on this team? So question that will be the uh, that will be the trick to with Carolina. But they they traded up to h from Oakland. So Carolina takes

Daryl Whims Like we talked about Oakland. Will Now, where was that pick? I don't even see it here Oakland. That's a twenty four. Yeah, the the Carolina pick is right ahead of Dallas there at one twenty four. So draft draft guru Dane, can I pick your brain for a quick secon? We got if we're if we're thinking like, like draft guru Bryan over here, is that the Cowboys might want a quarterback in the fourth round. He would take he would take Petty. Oh Okay, that's not the

That's not what I'm worried about. I want to know who on this list of many teams before the Cowboys is somebody that might be Well, the Jets just traded up to I kind of was thinking the Jets, and this is where I think you have to look at quarterback. I mean, they back to back. It's weird to me that they would jump trade with Jackson. Well, they wanted to get in front of the Jets at one, one

oh four. So who just traded with the Jets traded to Jacksonville to Jacksonville, so they have back to back picks one four, Okay, whatever you gotta get in front of yourself. Yeah, you're saying that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Get your guy. Well, maybe I wanted to get into of Washington if you want to if you want to quarter players that they want. So maybe they were afraid of another team trading quarterby that's a good point. Okay. I don't see the Jaguars as a

threat to take a quarterback. But yeah, that's a good quarterbacks, will be a quarterback, I think, yeah, I think that they clearly would have to take Hundley and Pitty if you don't be a hell I mean hard knocks to New York, right, okay, one of them, Both of them are on the board. Who would you take? Think what your offensive scheme is? I think I think I think that is fair. It depends on who better fits what you want to do, and I think both needed a lot of work. Both there guys you don't want to

see on field this year. They might not be ready for the field two and sixteen. Um, they you know, a lot of work. But at this point I do think it's worth it. Despite uh, despite my reservations about the Cowboys taking Bryce Petty, I think I would take Bryce Petty if I was a team in need of a quarterback, which the Cowboys aren't. So we all thought though that a quarterback would go early. So getting Bryce Petty at at the twenty seven was not going to be an option, right, I mean I don't think so.

I mean I was being unrealistic. I put the name out there, and I'd go back again to the draft two years ago, where the Tyler Wilson's, yet Jones's, the Nassa went to the Giants. Then all all those picks came off the board early in the fourth round. I know what the cowboys think, But you think either of these guys is better than my boy, Zachy Mets, Oh, I would take I would take Bryce Petty over Zach

Mett And and that's and everything Petty versus Pettenberg. Just as far as his ability, I just talk about mobility. I talk about smarts, I talk about the ability to be accurate. Yes, Bryce Petty, there's too many positive intangibles there for me. I think some people missed an opportunity in the in the third round. Did Nick slip you a fifty? No? And I'm not. I'm just talking about I watched the guy play against Michigan State, who I think is a damn good defense, carved them up. Yeah,

and they've got they've got a first round corner. They've got a potential top five defensive end next year. That is a good defense at Michigan State. It is. And there's Gary Patterson's defense is really good, right, Yeah, he carve this guy when touchdowns And now, okay, West Virginia Hey, not so good. You make a good point. You make a good point, Brian. I'm just watching the tape and I'm watching that. What you're doing is that? Is that what you've been doing these lost Some people, some people

don't watch the tape and talk about this. But we won't go that way. And I'm not talking about you, Dave. I mean you could. I have not spent a lot of time, but I just I just feel like though that to me, it's just it's too too good of a fit. It's too good of a fit right there. So I mean, well, Dane closed the book on Geno Smith last night. So if that's true, you gotta think the Jets want to bring a quarterback in at some point, and that's why they brought in Ryan Fitzpatrick, veteran presence

who can start games. Um and and Bryce Petty. It's just take some time, It's see what's alrighty. We're live from Atlantic Health Jets Training Center to announce our next pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft. But you know, Jets would like to welcome thirty years season ticket holder Danny Junior. It sounds like a Drumpy goss if I'm just already kind of tired of this gimmick, like, are we gonna do this for every pick to can? Can

somebody just say it? With the fifth pick of the fourth round, number one oh four overall, the New York Jets select Bryce Petty A three. Yeah, that's what happens when you let an amateur up on the podium. Had a trade, and so they have both the one h

three and one oh four. I wonder if we're gonna get a situation here where Jacksonville and the Jets just flipped spots, so instead of instead of misinformation there, Yeah, I see, I'm all kinds of confused picking back to back or no, No, I don't believe they're picking to pick back to back here. So I believe that you're gonna see it's jaguars. You're gonna see jaguars on the

clock here on earth. Tell me, tell me did they make Having been in that room before, why you've been in the jackson Well, But because you think jack Well Jacksonville was on the phone with somebody else, you worry about it. You just go ahead and just say, you know what it's willing for us, It's it's okay for us. I don't know what they gave what the compensation, So maybe the Jets gave Jacksonville more than the other team

that wanting to move up. Absolutely, so yeah, I would say that they probably so this Jacksonville will be on the clock. In fact that one four. Okay. So so basically what the Jets were doing is this day began, they were in contact with all these teams making sure that no other team was going to jump them to take Petty. Let me ask you this, Brian, I mean, you wrote about him, You've kind of been stumping for Petty. Do you feel this way about Hundley? I mean, do

you feel as good? But it's good, it's good, but you don't like I don't think he's as accurate as Petty is. I worry and Dane correct me if I'm wrong about this. When I watch Hunley play, I see a guy that mechanically has you have to really work with him. I don't see a guy that the ball snaps off his hand. He's got the arm strength, he's got the arm talent. But when you talk about he throws at so many different angles and so many different way his mechanics to me, never look the same. And

with Petty. I see the ball, I see by bull gone, I see I see that it's the same it's that same drop or to take a step throw. I don't see that. I see him kind of all over the place with his mechanics. Do you think the need for someone to compete with Brandon Whedon is strong enough that you're taking a quarterback anyway? Or is it all Bryce Petty? No, it was all Bryce Petty. Now now it's about Vaughn. Now it's about Dustin. You're just wiping quarterback off. Now.

I think that the last the last year, the last quarterback that I would have taken, and I and I mocked him, but me Brian brought his personally. Bryce Petty was my guy. Okay, And now I'm I'm now willing to say I'm willing to walk the journey with with Dustin. Vaugh wild thing, Vaughan baby, lace him up and let's go and talk to me about Hunley. Then you mean you could you could correct me if you want. All the physical traits are there, I mean everything that you want.

That mobility, the arm strength, that the size. He's a great kid too. Yeah, but no, you're absolutely right about the mechanics. And just there's so much you need to do. You really need to overhaul, uh the quarterback there, and we have the Jaguars picking. Yeah, here we go round draft pick. We are live from the Cleveland or Deck at EverBank Field and beautiful Jacksonville, Florida, to announce the next pick in this year's NFL Draft is Seth Stouter

from Greencast Rings, Florida. Thank you, Tony, with the one hundred and fourth pick of the twenty fifteen NFL Draft. My Jacksonville Jaguars are proud to select James Sample Defense him back. Yeah, Louisville, here you go. Good safety there. Absolutely like that pick a lot, right. The Sample was one of my guys when you were talking, probably more of a strong safety guy than a free safety guy.

But his teammate Holloman, who's still on the board fourteen picks, Yeah, you called a coward about twelve hours I did call him a coward. And there's a reason why. Sample. You watch Sample play. He's standing on the right hash and the ball goes all the way to the left side. He crosses Hallaman to get to the ball and he makes the tackle. Is this guy? Is this guy plug him play? I think so. And he's the guy that you can see him playing free, you can see him

playing strong. I mean, he can do a lot of things for you, and it's a wicket hit or two. He was a top recruit out of high school, went to Washington that didn't quite work Outley knows a little about safety play too, if you will recall they also drafted Cowboys pet cat Jonathan Cyprian two years ago, so he did. Who hasn't really been great for them. He's

been okay, He's been a little up and down. I mean, too early to throw in the towel on Cyprian, but sample gives them some good depth and like I said, a guy that can play free or strong. So it gives them death at both spots. Now, Washington is on the clock and the pick is in for the Redskins could go a couple of different ways here, though. They they've kind of funny the way they they I think

felt like they took in the first round. They took the Giants pick, yeah, you know, with the with the Brandon Sheriff, Yeah, the Sheriff pick, which looked especially good when you consider Crowder jameson Crowdy. He was great at the Senior Bowl. He was He's Brandon Cook's light. Washington's not participating in the fan guess they don't they're fans don't like it. I'm I'm on board with that, you know. It's kind of like it's kind of like your thing

when we do the draft show. It's like, Hi, thank you, we're great. What's your question? Like, don't ask me how I am. Just make the pick. I love so Chicago. This ought to be a production. Chicago is making the next pick. Yeah, there's no doubt they're gonna bring whoever that is right up to the stage that. Yeah, they're gonna have a parade for this guy. It's gonna be awesome. So what players do you have in mind for the

Cowboys in the fourth round. Let's make a list of three or four that you would like to see fall to fit a Cowboy need or also just the best player that you could defer to the gurus. Go for Dave. You can say, you know my answer. It's been my answer since he was a second round pick. This is my dude, and he's been my dude since probably mid February. Right, Who is that Jagie? Yeah? I and you know he's got the knee issue. It's bone on bone. You don't know how long he's gonna play, and I just don't

care because he's healthy. Right now, here's Chicago, all right, here we go, abarras fans. What the seventh pick in the fourth round? Number one oh six overall? The Chicago Bears have selected Jeremy Langford, running back, ran back off the board. That's a guy. A lot of Cowboys fans have had an eye on that guy. I think I build an answer questions. Dave's right about a gie. I think you have to look at potentially we had Rod Marinellian here early. Does Michael Bennett fit that tech at

one technique three technique player with some flexibility right there? Shaw? I know they drafted a corner in the first round, but do they go back? Josh Shaw again wrote about it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they double up on corner in the I agree, and I'd like I like Shaw as a pick. Nuna's Roaches was a guy that you asked a question about about the inside the town, right and Hayden and so forth. Grady Jared's been a guy that I've liked exactly. Grady Jared it's still available now.

They take from Marinelli's answer on that as far as their need at that, I feel like that he would take whoever they He would coach whoever they put out there for him to coach. But uh, you know, I didn't get to I know they like Nick Hayon a lot.

But I also know talking to some guys talking to some coaches, that they would like to to potentially upgrade and Atlanta's pick is going to be in But I'd like to believe that they would like to get They liked Terrell McClain a lot, but would they would they also though, consider though, trying to get another young guy in there that has some sideline to sideline ability. And you know I don't have a Bennett. You watch him

in the National Championship game. You know this guy is there was some some a little bit of underachieving tendencies. Am I write there Dane about him? But the conversation, but justin Hardy is the pick of it land of the wide all time leading receiver and FBS history the most catches. But no, You're right about Michael Bennett over

the first ten games of Ohio States schedule. Really underachieved, but down the stretch he was outstanding against Wisconsin, against against Alabama, he was He's one of the stars for that Buckey's defense. But there is some up and down play and there are some questions about where do you play him. To me, I thought he was a three technique, but I think some other teams disagree in the cmore as a one or a nose. Well, again, it's the

flexibility we've talked about. If the guy, if Dane sees the guys a three, you know, there's some teams and he's right. Some guys I've talked to thought he could play the one. So if that's the case, if you got a guy that's got that kind of ability and played big time football in some big time games at the end of the season and was productive, I think you have to consider that. Let me ask you this. I feel like this is a great debate for where

the Cowboys are right now. You've got guys on the roster who can play defensive tackle, but you feel like you could upgrade the position. You got guys on the roster who play running back, but you feel like you could upgrade the position. So what do you mean, what's the bigger what's the need that you feel better about addressing with one of these things? To me? It to me if if I know all bets, it's all bets, Rof.

They should take the runner. I agree they should. They should take just a simpleton though, Yeah, I just kid. The kid is from here, you know, I mean it could be here, and I know, I know it's a great story, but the kid is a damn good football player. He is a damn good football players. Knees healthy, playing the third or fourth running back off the board, there's

no doubt. And Dane took a lot of crap when he said that there's teams concerned about the knee, and he and his agent reached out, and he's and and and you know what, the guys is locked in. He knew exactly what he's talking about. But right now, in the fourth round, if he's still on the board, you've got to take him right talk about getting Randy Gregory at sixty. I mean, this should have been a top

fifty or sixty pick. There's no doubt about it. I mean, you you if you're and I've said this so much, but then again, we've been doing this for six hours a day. If you're if you're gonna use a guy, take a runner for four years or five years and just go Yeah, fullback is off the board. Oh the Alabama Tennessee, Tennessee still hit you? So India Indianapolis is on the clock thinking of blocking, getting some blocking first,

Bishop Sanky. Yeah. But to finish up my point there, you know, if he's on that board, you've got it. You've got to do that, don't I mean, Okay, let me ask you this. It sound like I'm begging. You're at the bottom of the fourth round. Do you trade up for a guy whose health you can't guarantee? Or you just let him fall to you? And what happens? I just got to assume that he's fallen this far,

you think. But I mean that there's twenty other teams that are maybe thinking the same way, because maybe twenty other teams that have him off the board, right, that's a thing. And and every team that maybe needed a running back took it running back earlier in the draft. That's true. I mean that a lot of those I mean, Atlanta was a team that you're not worried about them taking a running That's what I was trying to think there any other of those who with key running. Atlanta

addressed it, Cleveland addressed it, Yeah, Arizona. Miami hasn't addressed it. Detroit, Detroit. Yeah, I'm kind of leary about this number. This this so Miami. I think Miami traded out of that pick. Actually, I mean, what's in Indianapolis doing here? They could use a runner or maybe Miami still has Miami still has it at one fourteen, I could see Indianapolis here. That's another I think Indianapolis goes defense here. I have a hard I just have a hard time believing Jayagi. He's sitting there

at one twenty seven. We're at one o nine. We sat there and we thought a lot of guys were gonna be But see, we feel good about it here. And now I got to imagine there's two or three other teams that feel the same way. That's I mean, that's Colts could use Colts could use a quarner. The pick is in for the Colts. Yeah, they could use they could use a corner here. But yeah, you're right about the running. Yeah, maybe another one. Yeah, I mean

that that's a defense. We saw firsthand, that defense. Remember how how when that defense didn't have the corners. It was a little, oh my gosh, a little shaky that that was the Cowboys just owned them. For lack of a better term, I think they're gonna take a defensive player here myself, but I to get back to to I think you're willing to gamble because of the potential of a lot of teams having him completely off the board. Okay, here's the Colts pick, Kobe Flainer test. Yeah, this is

just the worst Kobe Fliner making the pick here. Okay, go ahead, Kobe. Yeah, you're Stanford grad. All right. He's waiting for a queue apparently selection on location in Indianapolis to announce a pick in a twenty fifteen NFL draft, the Indianapolis Colts would like to welcome eighteen year season ticket holder Roger Banner. So what we going, Bush? Yeah,

what you're there for? With the tenth pick of the fourth round, number one hundred and nine overall, my Indianapolis Colts select Clayton Gathers, defensive back University of Central Florida. Clayton Gathers Central Florida A good player. He'll hit you. He's a strong safety, really physical player, and he was at the Senior Bowl. Did a nice job there, a four year starter. A lot to like about this player, you know, that's what those kids said. They've done a

really nice job at Central Florida. Yeah, putting players in this league and Georgia O'Leary. I mean, maybe those kids don't get to go to Florida State or Florida, but it seemed like original Leary and those guys that put a lot of guys. I know, Blake Bortles, the jury is still out of him. I think I think world will be fine. I bet they play with an edge though. You think about there, Oh yeah, I mean three big college football programs in Florida. You're probably feeling kind of

undervalued if you wind up playing for UCF. Yeah. I totally agree with you on that. Sixteen picks away from the Cowboys pick a well, actually we're seventeen picks away one twenty seven the Cowboys pick one way right now. We've been talking about how at some point TJ. Clemmings is Yeah, it's another one to me in Minnesota. Yeah, Minnesota is on the clock. We've been talking about Jaii at some point he's worth it. Well, here it is too. It looks like that Minnesota is in, here we go.

We are live from the Vikings News Stadium Preview Center to announce the next pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft. The Minnesota Vikings would like to welcome Leslie Singer, one of the nine fifty dedicated workers currently on site. It's going to help build the iconic new Vikings Stadium. With the eleventh pick of the fourth round, number one tenth overall in Minnesota, Vikings select t J. Clemings. Yeah. At some point, you know, it's just you take a gamble.

Dane kind of knows what he's talking about sometimes, So who is it? Get lucky you see? Tell us about Clemmings. As far as left tackle, right tackle? What is he? He's only played right tackle, so I think that's the most comfortable Holts replacement. Yeah. Conceivably he could play some guard too, So I think the Vikings need a left guard. He could potentially fight for that starting job right away,

and then right tackle could be his long term future. Um, but I think most people know his background was a defensive player. His entire life was actually a basketball player. Went went to football, started on defense and then his uh the bowl game his sophomore season so late in a sophomore season, moved to tackle. Then the last two years you just saw him get better if every game, Um, he's just so physical with his hands, he just a uses defenders. Now, he does have some lower body stiffness,

and there's some things you worry about. He was exposed at the Senior Bowl a little bit. I think that's where teams are really soured on him. But the reason he's still available in the fourth round is that stress stress fracture in the foot, and we'll have to see how that plays out. This could end up being a steal for the Vike. I'm torn between whether I think they just got away with highway robbery or if there's

something terribly wrong with this guy. That's the reason why you I mean falling, if you're if you're considered a late first round talent and you fall. I had him in the first round, I had him in my top fifty. I mean the fourth round a round though, you'll take go ahead and take the medical work Cowboys get with Chris Canty ten years ago. Right, we're talking about a guy. We're talking about a draft excuse me, where someone who

tore his ACL three months ago went twenty one overall. Yeah, So it's I mean, and I mean a cl has come so far in the last ten or fifteen years. It's just I mean, you would I mean, when you hear stress fracture, you think, oh, he'll be fine by September, you know, I mean that's what I think. Yeah, because they throw another name out there, speaking of medicals, then Efo ekpre Olamo, the cornerback from Oregon in his ACL

that was preparing for the Rose Bowl. He if had he not been hurt, he'd be perhaps a first rounder, he'd be off the board bind now right, and so have you what have you heard about the severity of his knee injury? And is he somebody that you would go ahead and take a flyer on here in the fourth Now I've heard it's not good. Yeah, it's uh, it's it's not your typical Yea. That's the thing I think fans, you know, we hear about the ACL. We well, Girly had the ACL in November. He was a top

ten pick. Well, all these all these injuries exactly, they're different. There's different tears, different rehab. Every knee responds differently, and so with Efo you have a player that you just hate to see it. He was healthy his entire career and then the practice before the Rose Bowl damages that knee and you just worry about when he'll be able to help you out in the field. Is it susceptible

to another injury? So for efek Parolamu, we might hear his name later today, but I'm worried about for just for him, how many teams actually have him on the board. Yeah, if he's not picked, especially in these middle rounds, it shows that, Okay, there's not a good medical on him. Trade Jackson is the pick of New England. Here offensive guard Florida State. Yeah, before I get to trade Jackson, which just from a mind everybody, we've got the you

could see we're being on camera right now. We will go to war room cam as soon as they determine that they're ready for us to participate, for us to look, they say, for us, they're probably talking about some things. Are watching these names come down the board. They're actually brawling there. Yeah, they're just blood blood being shed. But yeah, as soon as the cowboys feel comfortable, they'll flip that cover and we'll go into war room cam. But trade

trade Jackson. Pick I like to pick for New England. Right there, you talk about a tough brawler, brawler. And then right behind him though another one, Washington takes a Quando from from Alabama, the older brothers. Yeah, Quanji who was a second rounder last year to the Buffalo Bills. Uh. He also had some knee issues. Something in the Quanjo family running through the family. But a good player started more than a few years for Nick Saban squad down

there in Tuscaloosa. Uh. He's a player you can see making an impact right away. So I think that maybe tells you they do intend playing sheriff outside taking a guard in the fourth Well, we knew they were they were. We knew that they would have to do something with the offensive line. Yeah. I mean that's something that when we when when they went on the clock at five. Yeah, we we thought about all the different potential players they could take defensively, and it was like, no, their offensive

line is horrible. All right, let me ask you this now, looking back at what they did in the second round, they took Preston Smith with a thirty eighth overall. Pick I forgot about that. So Washington could have taken Leonard Williams at number five comeback with a guard in the second round. AJ can whoever right be? What do you what do you make of what their decision to go ahead and go with Shurff first and then come back with Preston Smith essentially the same position as Leonard Williams.

I had suff Id Surff as a guard. I didn't have him as a tackle, and now they're thinking different. Yeah, and now they're thinking about playing him at right tackle is what they're thinking about doing. So you know, I, Hey, that's people see these players differently. I would not have played, sure if at right tackle, but I think it's on the talent of a Leonard Williams. Yeah. But what's the difference between Leonard Williams and Preston Smith? Oh? A lot,

I mean a lot. That's where I'm thinking. But it's but let me ask you this is is Preston Smith a better fit into three four? I know the Jets took Leonard Williams. You know it's a three fourth scheme. Where do you I don't see Preston's I just like I don't really know they took Preston Smith to play outside linebacker. I don't really see they listed him if remembers an outside linebacker in my mind, and you guys are the gurus, you correct me if I'm wrong. Keep

saying that, but keep going. Preston Smith's sounds like a better fit for Dallas, and Randy Gregory sounds like a better fit for Washington. If you're just looking at scheme, Yeah no, unless you're you're projecting Preston Smith to be

a defensive five technique, which I mean that I would. Well, that's a good point, but it sounds like they expected to play linebacker, right, Well, they listed him as a linebacker, and usually when you know he in my evaluation him was always and we talked about on the Draft show, butch a guy that could play defensive in and kick inside to play a Yeah yeah, Nicol Rusher. Yeah maybe. I mean, I mean, in this day and age, though, it almost I mean, it's so flexible and so fluid.

I mean, you see teams put different guys, you know, you have some teams will have like two guys with a hand on the ground on a given play. You know. So flexibility I feel like is at an all time high in the NFL defenses. But it is certainly puzzling to me. Troit is on the clock. This pick has been traded numerous times. Number one thirteen. Yes, uh, they do you have bill? Who they went, who they got

to before? I'm talking Detroit detroitson a guard in the first, Afdulah in the second, Alex Carter cornerback in the third. They haven't addressed the defensive line position. Oh there we go, Gay right. Yeah, I was trying to think about Yeah, that guy, that's a shame. Yeah. I was up and down on Gay right. Yeah, both those Auburn heap was up and down. Yeah, both those all those Auburn defensive tackles in my book. You know, I'm thinking, Okay, you

look pretty out there running around. Do something. He kicked some guys butts at the Senior Bowl. That's really I mean that, that's your experience. Yeah, gabright was a a top recruit and he never really lived up to that hype. But you saw the flashes, and I think that's why you take him here in the fourth round. You want to you hopefully get those flashes, turn that into consistency. Okay, my auntie's up now, and might it be a running back running trouble spot. That's what you gotta worry about

right here with the running back for sure. So I mean, and you know, we were having this conversation last night and the night before that we thought they were you know, if the Rams hadn't taken Gurley at ten, you think maybe Gurley goes at fourteen to Miami. Thought Tevin Coleman and Duke Johnson might be targets down there. Duke Johnson would have been great for them, he wouldn't have had to move, but any and then back to back Cleveland

picks coming up here. It is. It is interesting. And like you said, Brian, I mean, you know, a Gie's definitely a guy that comes to mind, But you don't know how different teams treating, you know, view that injury, whether they think it's something worth taking a risk on, whether he's off the board entirely. I just think that if you're the Cowboys, you've you've made your bed. Now, yeah, you've you've you've made your bed. It's I want JAYGII to be on this team. I'll just be on. I

want that to happen. But I don't know if you trade up the other much you consider as far as a running back goes would be Baltimore at one twenty two. It's Pesky Ravens. I feel like I've been scaring me all draft weekends sitting up there, and we've seen something though here. It's kind of also pick at one twenty five, go ahead, it's we've seen something here though, a little bit of run at guards. If you look at the

if you look at the guard. You know people we always talk about, well traditionally you don't take guards, but here are people using fourth round picks. Uh, Trey Jackson, Quanjo. Three of the last four picks have been no line. Yeah. So I mean it's it's smart from the standpoint that typically third round is an eventual starter. Fourth round. I mean, what's the mindset maybe if you get to take a guard in the fourth round and ken, Yes, so we got four room camp Kent Garrison's gonna flip it over.

So everybody dressed down for Saturday except Jason Garrett. He's still gonna tie on, still rocking the tie. Yeah. Well, and you know it's, uh, this is important though. This is a Jamil Douglas is the pick of mother guard. Yeah, another guard. They list him as a tackle. He was a guard most of his career. Moved out the left tackle as a senior, but I think he's his futures in an inside and guard. Yeah. That was a guy again too that I felt like that anything in space

was problematic for him. And that's why you talk about playing him inside. He needs play inside close quarters. That's his best. Best At the next level, where this cat play college football? Arizona State Sun Devils. Yeah, Lauren Socle's favorite team. As we look in the now, she's given you that you're the number one sign. She has a hearty laugh at not thumbs up. Not ab uh, Dane, you've been This pick belongs to Cleveland one fifteen. You've been there all day long with Cleveland. Do we start

talking about quarterback? They were interested in Bryce Petty. You tell me, yeah, you haven't missed it. Tell me well, I mean Brett Hundley is a player. They've done some work on UM and with two picks here, it wouldn't be surprised if one of these is a quarterback. But they need a receiver too. They've avoided the receiver position. We thought they could go receiver in the first round. UM have not taken receiver yet, and they've loved their

draft side. Yeah, they've had five picks. They've taken Danny Shon, cam Irving, Nate Orchard, Duke Johnson, and Xavi your Cooper. Yeah, pretty solid. You feel like all those guys are any more defense? You feel like a defense there? Yea. How do you like your secondary corner? Yeah? But safety, safety, corner, safety either one? Interesting? I don't know. I mean it's they went high last year with Justin Gilbert in the

first round. Ten. Yeah, yeah, safety is a position. I would not be shocked if they go here because the free safety Gibson uh has a knee injury. They don't know long term what's his future? Looking like, safety's a possibility. I think the best player on the board right now is Amos Grady Jarrett versatility with with Amos, a player that played corner played safety. Yeah, I mean, I'm how about the Smith kid? Maybe, and we were talking about safeties, but I mean, I I don't know. I don't know

that Grady Jared fits with the brow. No, I'm not saying for Cleveland. I'm saying Bills. Bill's being a Dallas cowboy homer. Right now, we're trying to work the guys, the scouts are working the draft, talk about the draft. Me and Bill are just gonna be like, what's going on? They trying to move up the board. I'm trying to get a damn Do you know Atkins went in the fourth round? We got Geno Atkins sitting on the board here in the fourth round and Grady Jarrett and uh

but just setting the scene there. Yeah, you talked about the corner, I mean linebacker, maybe Browns. The Browns could go anywhere here. They need help in a lot of space, a lot of area. But you're saying, you're thinking maybe right now, are you acting dumb? He knows, No, not at all. He knows. I don't know how to do. He knows. The problem is when you keep hitting their picks, get asked a lot of questions. This guy, yeah, this guy, So this is gonna be a player yea, yeah, this

is the long snapper. With Manzel at quarterback, they'll need a lot of Yeah, they'll need a good punner. But actually, if they turned the ball over, maybe nothing. May not need a punter at all. With man Zella. But she did talk about receiver there though. I mean a kid like Green Green, my boy, mcbron, Oh, here we go. Oh good that. Uh have a coach on NFL network right now who can talk about Campbell. Campbell to me, Campbell was the Landing Collins of the Big Ten, A

physical strong safety. Uh, he'll hit you now in coverage. I you know, good luck. I don't think he's gonna be able to hold up. I always saw him around the line of scrimmage again, and they tried to play him back and it took him forever to get to the linshoot. But he will come for I mean when stuff's underneath, he seems to be real fine, right, But anything there was to see it, right, Yeah, when when the ball is going over the top or or he has to help on the outside, I really didn't see.

I see he's more of a strong safety kind of a player myself. No, I think you pegged him exactly right. That's what's what he is. Now. You love the character with the player. Um, the resumes outstanding. He did miss a few games as a senior with an injury, but a player that there's so much alike about him. Uh, he's gonna be a solid special teams guy. And then event you see him working into the starting lineup, probably not in year one, but by year two he'll be

competing for a starting job. All right, do you take Brett Huntley here? And if you're taking who might be? He was on the blockhold back to back pick. I was gonna say, if you took the quarterback after the safety, yeah, you would think if you're a quarterback, you're gonna take him first. Get our guy. It looks like they flipped it here. Yeah, arizonas on the Arizona's on the clock. I can't keep up with any of this stuff. Arizona is now on the clock. Arizona took their running back

last night, so not really Arizona. Yeah, let's see, there's a good Arizona's from. I mean he's from Arizona. Here's the Browns, Cleveland Browns of Eaton, Eaton, gonna go Browns fans for the sixteenth pick of the fourth round, number one hundred and fifteen overall to Cleveland Browns select Abraham Campbell, defensive back from Northwestern. We think of those new uniforms. I don't know. I'm not digging him. I don't know how. I don't like the word. I don't like Cleveland on

this chest. It's the only only Jersey that has such a very collegiate it's different. It is different. It's it's not it's not terrible when it when it came out a couple of weeks ago, I like, Um, I like the all white one by the way, as Arizona is on the clock, and they took David Johnson and running back from northern Iowa, and that's iron round. I love David john That might be the first who's that state? Delaware State A player that really moved up as the

process went along. Uh, the Chiefs, I know, shut showed a lot of interest in him. Um, and the Cardinals actually moving up to get him. Interesting for like half a second, I thought Dane was stumped, and then well he's a player I looked at. But I didn't write him up because I wasn't. I didn't necessarily see a guy he's got to be a defense. Yeah, he's not

looking at more of a five technique here. Yeah. But he worked out really well, moved up throughout the process, and so a little surprised to see him here this early in the fourth But I did think he would get drafted because his name just kept popping up the last few weeks. By the way on Arizona and picking David Johnson in the third round yesterday. Of course it was five picks ahead of the Cowboys pick at ninety one.

I did get some intelligence here, A source tells me he was in consideration for the Cowboys at ninety one and the coaches loved him. Who's that David Johnson? I think I think that if him or Duke Johnson had still been there when they picked, I think they might have gone that direction. Hard to argue with getting Ah, well, that's the other thing. And today we haven't talked about Chads green who didn't see last night, Poor Chaz green Man. You know, just nobody is gonna be all right, no starter,

I like, I like to pick a lot. But the excitement and the controversy not controversy, but there was a pick. The interest around the Randy Gregory pick definitely overshadowed an offensive line. Oh there's a tight end. Yeah. The Bell, the Bell Doozer is headed to San Francisco, Francisco. I gotta my uh my daughter is like best friends with Blake Bell's girlfriends. I've got to pause for a moment

and send a text, send a text message. Get He joins, Trey Millard, by the way, former Oklahoma fullback on the San Francisco roster. Good friend and build those all where all the OU players are. You can ask him any OU players, He'll tell you what NFL team they're pight. So I need to go ahead and send these texts. So yeah, but talk talk about though. Again, he's a big guy, though, but he's got a lot of athletic ability. As far as I saw him catching the ball pretty well.

He's a working progress. Yeah, he's a project. And there's some some talented tight ends on the on the board with Jesse James, Michael pruittt Ben Koy. Yeah, I really liked Sack. There's some talented guys. So but the forty nine ers jumped those guys to take the project and it might pay off. For Blake. Bell was a highly recruited quarterback and you know what, he just couldn't find the field except for those bulldozer packages where he would

run over guys not use his arm. He went to the coaches and said, hey, I want to see the field. Let's try me at tight end. Great makeup and so right, yeah, he wants he knew for his long term future and to find the field. He probably had chan he's got I think he's got a chance to make it as a tight end in this league age, and he's the son of a former NFL player. He can he play in line though, I mean problem one of the scouts here, that's the problem is his ability to block in ace.

But he's got the frame. He's six six. Let me and and thank you for bringing that up, Bill, because that's what I'm curious about. Am I thinking? Am I thinking too collegiately here to think this is a guy who's got experience taken the snap? I mean, did you I mean goal line running back. I know his position would be tight end. This is a guy yeah, I mean camp. I mean I would put if you're on the one, I would send in the jumbo and just

put this guy in shotgun and have him. Teams finally figured it was direct snap and go, and then teams started saying, well, we're not gonna let you do that. Team than it was him doing anything and out his scheme. Then it was I would just I would have to give that guy a shot. It's coming. Anything can be your scout team quarterback, Yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh I bet he'll be playing some scout team quarterback. When now when the Chargers play the Panthers, I bet you

that Kansas City's on the clock now. And uh and again, his dad played in the NFL. Was a fourth round pick. His uncle was the second overall pick. And so he's get it in his jeans too. So I'm happy to see him. Was a fourth round pick Kansas City Chiefs. Here my buddy John Dorsey, and this is the Cardinals. The Cardinals traded up in front of the Kansas City to get that Della Delaware Valley State. Yeah, defensive tackle. That that's why they had traded up to get him.

That they knew the Chiefs wanted him. And so for Meek Wilson, one of my favorite players, and I have him on my board in the fifth round. And I will say this about him though, I mean, I saw one of my favorite I've got a lot of players, but it's gonna you watch him and this Herrera kid play at Georgia. This kid is a junior, led the SEC and tackles and he is he is, Yeah, he is all over the field, and I loved him. I had him as a guy we want of the mock drafts.

I actually mocked him to the Cowboys as a run hit linebacker, but he he was. He's got the dreads, he's he's always flying around plays off block. I mean, a little bit of an undersized guy. But I love the way the guy ran. I love the way he kind of was sneaky, the way he got some through the cracks, but he when he saw the ball, he was there. He's gonna be a secure tackler. The coverage stuff they're gonna have to work on a little bit.

But as far as the guy that run hit and get the bulkcare on the ground, that was my guy. Fantastic segue. I mean, we talked about d Tach, we talked about running back. Linebacker is a spot. I mean, you you feel probably good about your first two or three guys there, but I mean, and we know that they were interested in linebacker and in the first and second round, so you figure maybe you don't feel great about the overall. I mean, is that a consideration here? Well,

feel good about anybody though. I mean, they've got numbers. They've got a lot of numbers. They got a lot of numbers, but that but who can you upgrade the numbers? Can upgrade. How's your depth? Look, Ronda mcclean's on one year deal, on Lee's and never healthy. So I mean, is there a guy here that's in this range? I wrote, I wrote about a guy that I like, but I and I have him in the fourth round, and that would be a Damon Wilson. Wilson from Minnesota. I'm gonna

say the same. Yeah, I think that's yeah. He is an inside guy. He's an inside guy. You could play cousin. Yeah, Mary Nelly, mary Nelli talked on the fourth and one in the fifth. There you go. You know, it's interesting when Mary Nelly was talking about though, looking at those weak side linebackers like Anthon absolutely versatil we can play

all three. And that's one of the things too. I think even when they were looking at a McKinney versus a Kitchens in the in the first round, Um, all right, they're even though Shuntley's moving to the wheel right now, he can possibly move back to the middle of the absolutely if he would, he would, If if anything were to happen to mcclan I would have seen exactly. But if you're drafting a guy who could be an eventual starter next year the year after, who's more of a will?

You have that versatility there where Sean could move back inside. That wouldn't be the most stunning development in the world. When we talked about it might have been Shack Thompson on Thursday night. He had still been there, that's right, although they may have played him in sub packages his rookie year and where with the idea that he'd be the will next year after if McLean wasn't here. Andrew Denal, however, you say his last name was headed from Saint Louis.

The quote unquote other tackle at Iowa this year, a player who four consecutives time Academy of Country Music and four time Country Music Association Entertainer of the Year, Guy Kenny Chesney. Tonight, Kennedy's a fan. He's he's a fan of every It's too part of his twenty fifteen tour, Kenny, It's my turn. Yes. Well, the with the eighteenth pick of the fourth round, number one hundred and seventeen overall, the San Francisco forty nine ers select Blake Bell todd

In from Oklahoma. Here we go. So there's the official announcement, the news that we gave you moments ago. Oklahoma's Kenny Chesney's favorite team except for Wing's rooming for Tennessee are the Saints. The Saints. Yeah, him and Sean Payner pick a team, Kenny, come on, Yeah, to get back that we talked about don ell I watched it was going crazy. Someone's going crazy, I talking about Donnelle. I really okay, Oh, helmet we go. It was a hellman's helmet was left

on the computer and that was causing that. David doesn't think professional broadcasters. And then there's David Helmet. There's I will say this though about Donnelle, and you watch again when you watch Iowa tape. Uh, this guy I thought he was. People used the word serviceable. I think he's better than that. As a right tackle. When they were running those stretch plays, zone plays, there were games where, you know, Wisconsin, Nebraska, he was getting outside and hooking

his man. You know, it not always gonna completely wipe somebody out of the play, not gonna just blow somebody off the line. But when you talked about a guy that would get on his block, stay on his feet, get some push, allow the back to make a cut, Andrew Dunnelle was a guy that I really I thought, Hey, if you to me, he looked more athletic than the Wisconsin than Haverstein, right, I mean, and I know they're

both kind of, you know, brawler kind of guys. I used the word brawler, but when I always say that, when you don't have you're not very athletic. But this guy did a pretty good job. I thought of finishing blocks, not being on the ground, not flopping around some you know, he's gonna get real close to you on pass protection. He's not gonna let you, you know, not gonna extend on you and really sit down on you, but he's gonna get into on, tight on you, try and hold

you off the play, and you know him. Sheriff and Danelle were in the same recruiting class and for Sheriff, he saw the field very early and obviously he flourished, and for Danelle he waited his turn. He did not start until his senior year, was the starting right tackle, started all thirteen games. Uh, he does it. I don't love his punch. I don't There's a lot of things that he needs to work on, but again, he really takes pride in his technique and the player that he

is so of the work ethic, love the attitude. I think he's going to really compete for snaps here early in his career. Yeah, all right, Cincinnati is on the clock. The pick is in for the Bengals again. Jaya Jaii is still sitting there for the Cowboys, who are seven picks away one twenty seven. Baltimore has two picks and they have a running back need. Prior to the Colborn and then and the Ravens have had a history of finding ways to spoil things in a draft room every

once in a while, so be alert for that. To me in the Bengals have now got their pick in. It wasn't surprised me. Maybe I don't know they've I'm just gonna trying to make a guess here. I mean, if you're talking about best players on the board, guys like you know Bennett, you know he's an Ohio guy. Yeah, so you know, would they go that route and another geno Actings and Grady could go secondary here und number one hundred and twenty overall, our Cincinnati Bengals select Josh Shaw.

Here we got another guy the Cowboys like, Yeah, Josh Shaw. That was a guy I wrote about today it's one of the go ahead and yeah, as as the as one of the ghost guys. If the Cowboys were going to go for another cornerback and a guy that potentially could be again position flex, Dan talk about him maybe

playing some safety too if you had to. But you know, with the and with with Josh Shaw, you wonder what could have been if you know, last summer he does not have the incident where he jumped off a balcony evading police at his door, and then he lies about it. And you know, it's not so much the fact that the reason he's still available in the fourth round not so much because of the lie and that incident, but

it's the fact that he injured himself. He put himself in that situation, and he had he played in three games as a senior. He didn't have any senior tape for scouts to look at safety. Is he more of a safety? I think it's really split depending on who you talk to, because he has the makeup to stay at corner, but he looks like a safety. And so where do you like him better? When you scouted Brian, I thought I thought he could play corner myself. I thought,

is that his best position. I think it's his best position. I tell you what, the guy. I like the way he moves, I mean, the way he gets up on he turned. I think he could play off coverage too. Drive on the ball. I think he sees the field pretty well. And I think he handled the aftermath of his incident in the lying and so forth. He he actually spoke at the USC graduation ceremony and so I thought that was admirable about him. Dorian Grant, quarterback Ohio

State goes to Pittsburgh. Dorian Grant. Another announcement here from Dorian for the Steelers pick of the fourth round, number one, twenty one overall. The Pittsburgh Steelers selector Rand Grant, defensive back from a high state. There was another corner along with Josh Shaw that the Cowboys could have had their eye on if they fell Um. And you know Dorn Grant coming from northeast Ohio. I mean, I keep my eye on these guys. And uh, he's from same high

school Lebron James is from UM. It was a top recruit. He goes to Ohio State and it probably didn't do much. And now as a senior again he stepped up and he was a part of that defense that helped with the National championship. But a player that's well rounded. But there's just not much you really get excited about. So um, I think he's the type of player that you see the traits, not necessarily the production. So Steelers there with the getting him in the fourth round. I don't see

a player that plays to his measurables. No, he doesn't. I see a guy that team guys receivers pushed this guy around. He's got He's going to a team where he better learned to be tough. You know, he better step up or Dorrin Grant is not going to be very long for this league. And I'm with you so so many times it looked like he was going through the motions and just, uh, you know, doing the minimal and so he needs to play above what he can

do in orders down the field. Okay, Bill if I'm sorry, Dave, Yeah, Stephen Jones being on the fields, be on the field, be on the phone. Uh, they were looking Jerry Junior was had walked all the way over to the right side of that board. I don't know if you can see Jason Garrett's looking in that direction. That would be the sixth and seventh round area. Maybe they were, Uh I was looking at pick Look, seventh round picks, I don't have any value. Yeah, well, you know they's you know,

they're kind of smiling about it right now. It might be a deal that someone called and said, hey, listen, we'll flip you this for that. It wasn't a very long phone call. No, but Jerry and I don't know if we could get it on the camera completely, but Jerry Junior is walking, he's looking around at the picks and stuff. Good, good opportunity to just kind of around. Yeah,

for everybody. You know, sometimes you hear from readers like, deal your seventh rounders for this, Well, both of the Cowboys picks and the seventh round or worth a combined four points. Uh so, but if someone really wanted somebody, they could you could exchange it, like if you sure Cowboys wanted to get into sixth round or exactly something exactly. I mean, really, they don't have a fish. They don't have a sixth round pick. They do not, and so it could be a situation where a team to whatever

the team values that pick. As Sure were worried about he got the Ravens up this was a selection. We were worried about it. Sure is terrified is actually the word that I would Here we go with here, there we go with the twenty third pick of the fourth round, number one twenty two overall, the bottomore Ravens select Zadarius Zadarius Smith. There we go. We're not on camera, but I just fish pumped the other pass rusher from Kentucky. But Bud Dupre was on one side, says Darius Smith

was on the other. Uh. Interesting backstory with he was a basketball player and you know, closer to the end of his high school career, he kind of understood, you know what, I'm not going to be an NBA player, so let's try football. Goes to JUCO level after two years, then goes to Kentucky and he he bypassed some other SEC offer SEC offers to go to Kentucky. I'm still learning how to play the position. But you just look

at him, he just looks like an NFL player. Oh he does look like an NFL player though, And there's times where you're like, going, he's playing better than Buddy Pree. You know, when you talk about I think I think he does a really nice job. The best thing I saw about him was how physical he is at the point of attack. I think that's something Bud Dupree is a an athlete. This guy is a hit you get off the block, chase to play, get you on the

ground kind of guy. So that's for guy to last in the fourth time, that's about where he needed to be selected. Yeah, maybe late third, probably early fourth. So I think that's excellent value here. You know we had some movement there or you know Cleveland is picking. Oh ye, Cleveland's got more of a running back need than what Arizona. They just took that right. Here's the interesting thing to me, and you know, there you go. He was one of the top receivers left on the board. So it's a

good pick for them. Vince Mayo talk about him just a little bit, because I did not see Vince Mayl play. You didn't like him or you didn't I didn't. I just tell me about him though. I mean what you saw on the player, A good sized player at six two to twenty five. He interesting background. Uh, he was a basketball player and then he decided to go to football. I started at the JUCO level, goes to Washington State. Really productive. He had over a hundred catches last year,

uh for the Cougars. And so I think you have a player that he reminds me a lot of DeVante Parker. He's not quite as talented, not quite as gifted, but that type of style and that mold. And so if you can get uh we talked about Jamison Crowder being Brandon Cook's light. Well, this is what Vince Maylee is. He's DeVante Parker light. Uh, not quite at that level, not quite as gifted, but that style of receiver, size, athleticism, plays up to his size consistently to overwhelm defensive backs.

And you know, we're still what, we're still four three picks away from Dallas at right now, but here is here and you know, obviously I've made no secret about the fact that Jagiu is my guy. But at this point, I mean, you feel, I'm feeling pretty good that a guy there they like is going to be there, though, I mean, whether whether Barrett is still there. Um, your your boy from Minnesota, Damian Wilson. Yeah, So it seems like they're gonna have a guy that they like there

to choose from. It might not be the running back, but they should have an opportunity to pick someone they feel good about at at a position of need too, because whether it's linebacker, whether it's defensive tackle. I just once again I think they're all. You know Jerry Jones.

You see the war room, he had at straw in his mouth, and I guarantee he is chopping on that too, because I don't want to jinx it, but this is kind of the third day in a row where playing the waiting game has kind of worked in their favor. I mean, to this point, it's it's working out. You might have just chinked it. Well. We got a wooden table in here that I just knocked on. Got Oakland, Baltimore,

San Francisco, and then Dallas. It looks like that maybe as your Tampa is now on the clock at this pick at one twenty four, So the Oakland Raiders backed out here. This is Tampa's pick. Now. I feel like Oakland Tampa's been dealing all over the place in this draft. Let me look up, Tampa. I got somebody in mind tackles. They haven't had a pick its second round, Am I right on that? I don't believe. I'm pretty sure I don't think Tampa Bay has taken a defensive player in

the draft. They've got no, not just this year, but thirteen. Could you could could this be been it? Could this be a guy to play Lovey Shirt's uh, Lovey Smith's scheme, play the one, play the three. Kind of a guy just look at the end. The other day. They got a ton of defensive linemen on their roster, but play Yeah, Henry Melton's one of them. Yeah, that's true, any of them. Gerald McCoy we know can play right, Yeah, very well, he can play some football. Um canna be on my

team anytime. But you are right, it's been it's been two offensive linemen in a quarterback. There's what they have on their defense. And they just picked up George Johnson, a defensive end who was a restricted free agent from Detroit. Pick is in. Yeah, William Goldston, you got a team, Spence, Clinton McDonald, Henry Melton, d tack will make sense here.

I like I heard yesterday, linebackers that can run. They haven't taken any defenders this year, which means the last time they took a defender was late in twenty Ump bump, All right, ls, you guys tell us about and where is he is? An athletic son of a gun. Yeah, they an inside linebacker. I mean Bruce Carter. They said Bruce Carter is gonna be their middle linebacker. I think and Brian you're you're the you're the tape, But I would think that Kwan would play Will Lavante David's playing

Will for Yeah? Well that well, I mean is he I mean you're not drafting him in the fourth round to be a starter, though, are you? Probably? Are you think he's gonna play Mike linebacker? I mean he's I mean he's fast, it's a strong side. Yeah, he's a fast guy. I play him at Mike. Okay, yeah, because David David's gonna play though he's he's not a he's

not a bulky dude. No. But but the run hit again, in this scheme, you gotta have guys that run hit and and that's something you know when even though some of the blitzer I thought he was a really good blitzer. Yeah, myself watching the tape and and yeah, I mean he's he's he's athletic. He is an athletic guy. So I mean they'll find a spot if he's gonna If he's gonna play Mike, then the fact. I mean he can get from sideline to sideline. You're like, you better than

Bruce Carter. Oh, that's tough. I like Bruce Carter a lot when he wants when he's playing, well, the problem is that that's only like half the time. M But I wouldn't you probably, I mean, not gonna play Bruce and Mike. Okay, you're the Ravens are on the clubs. They were saying when they when they signed him, they said, he's our middle linebacker. That is the one spot he never really tried out here. Four let's say fourth round. We got two picks before Dallas Baltimore in San Francisco. Yeah,

pick his in for Baltimore Baltimore. We we've sweated this pick. Don't do me like this Ravens. Yeah, well it'll be interesting because again they they're they're it's funny. Their team needs seem to be the same as the Cowboys. They just brought four setback. I know. I mean he's thirty thirty one. I know he's not a spring chicken. Oh they took that's fine. That's a very good chance that could have been picked one twenty seven. It could have been. Yeah,

I know, they like him. Well, it doesn't like to me in the war room, they're they're, they're they're talking about the board right now. They're over there all focused in on it, uh, seeing exactly it would be left, you know, the heck baches, Yeah, nudge for we need a running back. Yeah, let's get a running back, physical running at too. Yeah, this kid go get him. I mean if he has sent back still on the board. To me, the fourth round has always been the round.

This is I'm like I said earlier, I mean, this is equivalent and it's a little different because I mean it's it's injury, but I mean it's this is a lot like getting Randy Gregory at sixty. You never thought he'd be there. This There any other running backs that they would like at this point, Mike Davis, buck Allen off the board. I would say it's a Stephen Stephen steps excited about something. So it's either I mean it would I would say Mike Davis or or um Ji

would be the top two left. I know Cop is probably still there somewhere, but probably not in the fourth round. They looks like to me, yeah, they they're they're they're happy. They sweated. Oh wait, okay, well maybe maybe our Minnesota guys. This might be Damon will This might be Damien Wilson is what this might be? So uh uh breaking my heart Cowboys. Yeah, I might be too much for them to uh to even uh take right, I mean again, he just keeps going down the board, down the board,

down the board. And hey, the medical side of it. Did anybody believe Jerry Jones when he said running back was not a muth Yeah? Anybody? I didn't, I know, I didn't believe it. Well, here we are. Yeah, well let's see, let's see. I mean again, they're shaking him. Nobody's on the no, Yeah, they got they got him on the phone, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry's gonna go first here, and so we're we're guessing Damian Wilson. Yeah, especially with

the lineman unless we're missing somebody here. By the way, Mike Davis went to San Francisco to pick previous to Dallas two straight running Raskill before Dallas, which is on the clock on the phone with their pick. Right now, the Cowboys have made their selection, and I and by with with Matt Eberflus being on that phone, I think that we're probably pretty accurate and saying that Damien Wilson is going to be this guy, the linebacker from Minnesota, and we talked about him, Dane. I mean you can

give a good scouting report on him as well. Yeah, a player, a juco guy, goes to Minnesota and starts the last two years in the middle and junior year, senior year. Okay, he caught my eye. A player who lost some weight, amped up the focus and really showed up. He's one of the Big Ten's best players this past season. On defense, you just you love the way he's active. He directs traffic, pre stamp. It's a restuff for my report.

Diagnosed skills to attack and finish. Aggressive play gets him in trouble at times, but he's well rounded, physical temperament that fits what NFL teams are looking for at the position mike most likely you want him inside. So six foot two five, Yeah, he's six foot two forty five ran a four seven seven forty yard dash. A guy who I graded him as more of a backup, but the type of player that's going to push your starters for playing time. And this would mean that mcclean's your

starter right now. We'll see what the future holds for him in Dallas, but if he is a starter here, we got stadium to announce our next pick. In a two thousand, fifteen NFLCAFT the Dallas Cowboys would like to welcome sponsor Representative Michael Stockton. Thank you. With the twenty eighth pick or the fourth round number one hundred and twenty seventh overall, the Dallas Cowboys select Damien Wilson, linebacker.

Minnesota pick Yeah, Amy and Wilson. And you know, if I mean, my heart breaks for Jji E. But if you move past that, uh, you know, like we were talking about maybe ten fifteen picks ago, this is not that surprising when you consider the Cowboys needs. When you talk about you know, they looked at Shack Thompson the first round. We talked about Eric Hendricks as a possibility all spring. I mean, yes, linebacker looks relatively set for the time being. But I mean it's not like you

can exactly trust Sean Lee's injury history. Rolando McLean is on a one year deal and has an injury history of his own. Yeah, and then you know, you factor in the fact that they don't have a great candidate for Sam. I don't know how Damian Wilson plays into that, But it is something to consider. It's you know, this was a This was a spot that I'm not surprised

to see them address. Like I said, I am a little bit of surprised that we have made four picks here and there is no running back, but I'm certainly not surprised that they had a linebacker. Well, I'll tell you what, and you gotta trust Mattieberflus last year he has earned it. After last year he brought you. He brought you Anti Hitsum, handshakes all around. And if I could just kind of piggyback on what Dane was saying, this guy plays with a burst. He can cover some

ground when he chases a ball, wrap up tackler. Uh, you know, I think he needs to be on the move. He finds a way to split double team blocks and screens, can really change directions, awareness and knock the ball down to coach. He's a quick footed player, quick reactions would make every single way if he wasn't held. That was something I saw. Special player when it comes to getting to the football, makes plays all over the field. There's

no way he plays to his forty time. I said, and we had a forty time of a four seven nine that this kid is a much faster football player. He's an aware football player. They should be very excited to have a guy like this one hundred and nineteen tackles, ten point five for lost, four sacks, one pick, three pass breakups and a forced fumble last year for the Gophers. And Damian Wilson went to the NFLPA game and he impressed. I think what his performance there that week really helped

him as well. Young guy doesn't turn twenty two until next month or this month, later this month. Um, you know, and there's a reason Minnesota was much better. Yeah, playing in the Big Ten this year. I mean they played a decent game against TCU. Um, yeah, they were in a bowl game. I mean they they they've got a they this is not your Yeah, Minnesota has done a much better job recruiting. Oh, you know, they had the kid from Atlanta, the defensive tackle that they've had, some

guys that Max Williams tied in. It was drafted. If you would have told me that, you know, Damian Wilson would go before David Cobb, I would have been surprised a little bit. I thought David Cobb would be off the board first, but nonetheless a good linebacker here in Dallas.

And to Chaz Green was he he was a visit. Yeah, all four Dallas picks have been guys that were in Valley Ranch at some point this spring, because I know as recently as a week or two ago, I saw Matt Eberflus and Damian Wilson kind of shooting the breeze getting to know each other here at Valley Ranch. So this is a guy. You know, when you get into this part of the draft and you're hearing names that you're not necessarily familiar with, these this is These are

calculated decisions these guys are making. When you fact, when you talk about all four picks are guys that they liked enough to bring here get to know and see what they were all about before they added under the team. And John Feliciano is the pick of Oakland here. I remember, I remember how and you know, if you guys watch more Tepe than I do. But I was thrown for a total loop by the Anthony Hitchins pick last year.

It seemed way too early, It seemed kind of to be out of left field, and we all know that hitch had had a pretty decent rookie season, play in all three linebacker spots last year, So based on the track record from last year, it's hard for me to knock the pick too much. But like I said, I mean, you know, if you had told me on Thursday morning that we'd be sitting here at pick one twenty nine and the Cowboys wouldn't have a running back yet, I

would I would say that would surprise me. Yeah, but it's it's hard to argue with the four picks that they have made though, in my opinion, based on need, based on the value you get for him. Yeah, a lot of names to at linebacker now, and but do you know there there if you get a good problem to happen when you consider the injury problems at linebacker

it has been. But if you get guys like a Damie Wilson, you get a guy like Anti Hitchins, those cats that can really run, you know, and can get to the football and play in the game, and you know, and cover a little bit cover ground. That's that's those are the traits you're looking for right now. This is a it's a crowded core right now. I mean, that's a crowded room when you figure, I mean, McClain and Lee are your two that you figure to be on

the field from as often as possible. But you have Hitch, you have this guy, Damien Wilson, You've got Andrew Gashcar who came in in free agency. Keith Rivers gets completely forgotten about former top ten pick. Not I mean it certainly hasn't lived up to that building during his career, but he has shown flashes of production during his career. Jasper Brinkley was Jasper Brinkley was another one who came in before McClain was back in the fold, so you figure they gave him a look at Mike Well and

then you've got yourth and Cam laws Lawrence. But Cam Lawrence is a guy that you know. I think that now when you start drafting guys like this, then Cam Lawrence becomes a guy that gets replaced Cam Cam Lawrence and Keith Smith or maybe maybe not long for the roster, but hey, that's what training camps for, right, Yeah. Absolutely, And what I like about this if if indeed this pick turns out and Dabe Wilson is able to make the transition to the NFL and become an eventual starter

as you're leaving Shawn Lee as the will linebacker. It's not moving back inside. I mean it. And like I said, it doesn't look like a position of need for twenty fifteen because you feel good about your top two guys, but neither one of them has a pension for staying on the field for very long. And neither one of them. Uh well, Lee's under contract for a little while, but but Rolando McClean is obviously on a one year deal.

So you know you this kind of gives you a little bit of a clearer picture going into the next two or three seasons as opposed to just twenty fifteen. Green Bay is up next, and yeah, do you have anybody running back in the fifth round or later that would be a prospect? Well, it's cold to see ji how that? Yeah, I mean that's still gonna be a wild David Cobb. What about Damien Wilson's cousin? Get we

get both Minnesota guys? Story for US writers once you get into the fifth, sixth, seventh rounds, I like, I like the kid from North Dakota State, John Crockett, Oh yeah, he talk about a motor that never quits. That mouth never quits too. He's a he loves to talk green based in how do we and you know we taught overall. The Oakland Raiders select John Feliciano, guard from Miami is the Raiders. Yeah Felicianos, you just root for him. He's

a self made player. Um it really came from nothing and built himself into put himself into a viable starter at the college level. And here he is a fourth round draft pick. Can play guard, can play tackle. I really like his versatility. The Packers got a good person and a pretty good player too. Yeah, he tried the Raiders. Packers on the clock. Now their their picks about to be announced. Ted Thompson always my old buddy there. Uh. He likes big ten type players. He likes this tough guy.

And we talk about the Packers and what they've done with you know, they have to deal with the players that live in that environment, understand the cold, playing the cold, and that's when you when you start talking. It looks like here they're they're whooping it up here a little bit here at the at the at the lambeau Field.

Let's see what they got. Fifteen NFL Draft. The Green Bay Packers would like to welcome Robert mckennie of Milwaukee, Wisconsin with the thirtieth With the thirtieth pick of the fourth round, number one twenty nine overall, the Green Bay Packers select Jake Ryan, linebacker from the University of Michigan. Speaking of a physical, big ten linebacker, Jake Ryan, Jack Ryan. There we go. Did you see? Uh? You see Jason Garrett's affectionate butt slap for Will McClay. There highlight of

our coverage today. Very nice, very nice. So Uh, I've been told that that Matt Eberflus is going to come in here and just a minute, and I will exit when he comes here, and I'll can talk to him. I need to I need to go eleven and suffer. We've been we've been getting the picks on the air here. I wonder is Damian Wilson going to be joining us? Well, I'm sure that our talented team in there will let us know if that, in case is going to happen. Uh, we're running. We're almost to the coming up on the

end of Yeah, we're coming up. Well, we're coming on the end of the picks that can be traded. This will be the last one the New England. Excuse me, really, you got Seattle left and in New England that can't be traded with all uh, with all due respect to the seventh round gyms that that exists in the NFL, we're uh, you know, entering the fifth round, the last um the last really meaningful pick that the Cowboy I mean, you don't think of seventh rounders as difference makers. Obviously

there's a reason their point values are so low. So really, I mean, and and the Cowboys don't hold a sixth round pick, So heading into the last big pick of this draft for the Cowboys before they have you know, two shots at seventh round guys, heading into the end of the day, you know, barring any any movement up or down from the team. But that's where where we're standing, with what six more picks to make in the fourth round. Yea.

And where you're standing at the running back position right now is Joseph Randall, Darren McFadden, Lance Dunbar, Ryan Williams, which, like I said, hey, maybe the Cowboys weren't bluffing after all. I mean, Ryan Williams second round pick in twenty eleven. By by the way, Randall has been basically totally cleared from the You're from any illegal wrongdoing. When the police out here in OTA's is Randall taking the first team snaps out here at running back, Oh, it's I think McFadden.

We run dmc all. I think I think McFadden. I think they're gonna make They're gonna make Randall. They're gonna make Randall earn his spot on and he absolutely should have to. Ye. I think that's only fair. Yeah, I believe we've got coach Eberflus right now, So I'm gonna bail out. Okay, gonna take my headset here. Okay, thank you very much. Bill, special treat for us to add Eberflus the linebacker coach slides in. This would be the man who is the linebacker whisperer in who is looking

very very happy with the team owners. Yeah, and coach, congratulations. First off of grabbing Damian and Wilson, and talk a little bit about and I and I've had the great fortune to bump into you and even in the parking lot of the hallway, and and you've been nice enough to always ask ask him answer my questions. But talk a little bit about Damian. I mean, I love the tape. I love what I've seen the player, but I know you have to love him even more. Yeah, I mean,

here's a lot of good things to like about this player. Um. You know. Number one is his motor. He likes he plays the game in the right way, So that's what we look at and we want to make sure he does that. And then the movement skills he has, we like those things in turns on the tape. You know, he's able to play in space, and as you know, the college game is that way. In the programs that way a lot too. Uh. Nowadays, you know, eighty percent

of it's going to be an eleven personnel. We're gonna be in Nickels, So he has to be able to fit into that will and Mike spot um in our defensive scheme. Um. But he does all those things, you know, And then you know, the last thing is you know, for him be able to learn the scheme and be able to fit into those things in terms of what we have in our room already. So we're excited about him his future and I can't wait to hit for him to get here. This might as well be twenty fourteen.

I mean, we go into the fourth round and the Cowboys get a workman like, oh, take it all day, he can do it. What I mean, can you obviously really successful rookie season from Anthony Hitchins? How does how does Damien relate to it? To hitch And I mean I start I feel like there's got to be some kind of bomb between those guys given the similarities there and how they can play off each other and help

the depth in your linebacker corps. Yeah, I mean, you know those guys are They're similar in some reguards, in different and in a lot of ways. But you know, I think what you look at when you bring a guy in and I always do this as I keep an open mind when I look at the whole group every single year, you got to kind of wipe it clean and say, okay, now let's look at these guys separately and then look look at him collectively and how

do they fit together. So his ability to play the Sam, the mic and the will positions, you know, who's up for the game. That's really big for us as an organization because now the combinations are more you know, it's not like, oh, he's only played Sam. Well, then the combinations aren't as good if you've got a guy that's got versatility. Now we got like we had in Saint Louis, who we have opened for the game. Yeah, exactly what

we had. We had Hitchens, right, we had Bruce, and then we had we had wilbur Yeah, those are the three guys that were really up for the game. You know, the combinations was there? You know, we're there And did we played that that great during the game. No, but we made some plays to win the game. You yeah, you know, so we made a few plays to win. So that's what I'm talking about. You gotta have versatility

and that's this young man brings that to us. And one thing I loved about Wilson watching him, it's passion. I hated to come off the field. He'd tough his way through injuries. Um. Is that something that you know, maybe could see a big presence on special teams as well, even as a rookie. Yeah. I mean, you know, Rich and I are always working together because you know, we're we're on the same page of what we're looking for.

We're looking for athletic players that have, you know, some size to him because I think in special teams you need some size to anchor on the punt team and to take on the blocks on the on the kickoff return and all those types of things and and you know bully type of you know blockers and get off them on the kickoff and those those things that Rich likes to talk about. But and the same thing is really for me. You know, he has to build it.

He has a he's a longer, longer armed guy. You know, he's like thirty three inch armor coach to that, and he can do a good job of really extending. Now he hasn't been doing that in college, so that's one thing that we're going to need to work on with him, you know, in terms of using his length and separating. But that's a skill that can be taught and a skill can he can enhance and improve on just because

of his frame of his body. Yeah, thirty three and three quarters in charms, So he definitely has the length, I know. I mean, versatility is the key, and I know you just we're talking about that. But for a rookie, I mean, is there a spot that you like him the best at starting out, especially with the amount of older guys above him on the depth chart right now? Just getting his feet went yeah, I mean, it's hard for me to say that right now. Let's take a look at him, Let's bring him in and we'll see

where he fits into the group. But he's certainly going to be a big, a huge piece of that Coach, thanks a lot for joining us. And then I'm still in a similar players, I know you're excited about having him. You've just done a great job with all these linebackers. Every week it's like who's up, who's down, but you put everybody out there plays their ass off and that's a credit to you and the guys you have. So thank you very much, Joins, thanks for having me. Thank

you very much, coach. Okay, do have said player here? Damon Wilson, the newly drafted linebacker from the University of Minnesota. Damon, welcome first off here with Ryan broad Us and David Hellman and Dane Brugler from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Welcome to the Dallas Cowboys. Thank you, thank you, well good Hey.

We just had coach Mattie Reflus on and you know he was talking about all the versatility you have and all of us have had the opportunity to watch you on tape to really study you, and it's very impressive your ability to get to the football. The way you may plays this group in Dallas is the same way with coach he Reflus talk about though, you know, coming in here and getting an opportunity to play in a scheme where it really it highlights those things that you

do very well. I mean, I'm very lucky to be have been got drafted some of Dallas Cowboys. I'm playing such a good scheme well, such good coaches. And on my visit, we talked about it a little bit and we talked about the versatility of me playing any of the three baptism and I'm just really excited to have started with that and I just give it all I got. Hey, Damien,

congrats man Um. You know, just looking looking at your bio, looking at your tape, can you just kind of give us a sense We talked about your versatility in here before you got on the phone, but just kind of give us a sense of I guess what you would say your biggest strength is coming in here off the bat well, I get the defense lined up pretty well, and I say my biggest strait would be my tackling in my pursuit and you know, let's another give him

up on the play, just tracking the ball wherever it goes, no matter how far it is. And Damien, you know, congratulations, You've had, you know, a different journey than other people take. You know, started at Alcorn State, then go to the community college level, then end up at Minnesota. Kind of talk about your journey and how you ended up here. Uh, well, you know, I wasn't highly recruited out of high school,

so all Coign State was really my only offer. But I really didn't gas, so I transport uh Jones Junior College. You don't had a pretty good year that picked up those college ships. Before I graduated, I already had a cousin that I went to Minnesota. He played running back day to corb. He actually in the draft too, And

uh yeah, that was it right there. Minnesota was my charge from that part off Damon, you know, and again watching you on tape and and the fact that you are you know, played in the Big Ten, a very physical conference. Uh but you know a guy that you know, when you when you talk about your height and your weight and all that and your ability and stuff, you're one of those guys that could take on blocks, get

off blocks, go make plays though. Talk about though, the fact that and how that helped you playing at Minnesota, lining up against Ohio State in the snow, and all those different teams that you've played against through your career, and how it's prepared you to step into the National Football League. Well, playing in the big Pain, I'll say that they are I'm in a huge right athletic. Yeah, like most typical NFL alignment that you'll find out of

any conference. So I think playing against those guys from week to week was a good practice for this. Well, I'm about to go into right now. Yeah, well, good, well listen, dame. We know that we're gonna let you go here, but thank you so much for taking the time. Yeah, congratulations to you. We're you know again, all of us have had a chance to sit down and watch you

play at the University of Minnesota. The folks there in Minneapolis, Saint Paul should be very proud of what you were as a player there and now what you're looking forward to doing here with Dallas. A matter of fact, Minnesota is on the preseason schedule this year, so I'm sure we'll get to see you firsthand making some plays against their guys. But again, congratulations and we look forward to seeing you down the road. All right, thank you for

having me. Ill appreciate it, all right, Damian Wilson, nice kid. Yeah, I'll tell you what. It really is funny to me the U. I mean, how how far away are Iowa and Minnesota? I mean, big ten guys tackle monsters. Four frown Eberflus goes in and and gets the little fist pump action on uh. And you know so Anthony Hingins and and and Damian Wilson, I mean this, I mean, the comparisons are gonna be there, you know, hopefully hopefully

for Damian Hitchins's success as a rookie. You know, hopefully he's not held to too high of a standard because obviously, you know, Hitchins went in there, like Mattiberflus said here on the radio a couple of minutes ago, you know, eleven eleven starts last last season, ultime positions, just a really outstanding rookie season. So well, the one thing, expectations will be lifted, I think because of that, and I

think it goes through with again with Rod Marinelli. It's about accountability and the one thing when you play in this scheme is you you're not gonna sit there and say I'm not gonna be on I'm not gonna play today. You know, if you're if you're talented enough, and you could play a couple of different positions, and you know

they're Anthony Hitchins. He you know, there's times he probably thought, Okay, day, I'm gonna be the backup and then something happens and he's playing that, you know, and he's played at two or three different spots in a particular game. And so I think that's something that that that these these young guys, and especially a guy like Damian Wilson, who you know, Mattie Reflus talked about, can play as them. Mike can't play,

but he keeps an open mind about it. I love I love that right now he doesn't necessarily know which spot he's best, you know, gonna start at, and they and they will and they figure it out. Yet they will fire. And they did it with Anthony Hitchens, they did at the Hingens. So anyway, okay, we're moving along in the draft. Here we are now the last pick of the round. I believe that just happened, and that was Trey Walker defensive back from Texas Southern. That would

be Baltimore's pick at one thirty six. I'll recap uh, Jake Ryan, let me go from one twenty nine, just to get you up to speed. Case you're out there driving around or whatever or listening to us and you're you're you're just want to know. The Green Bay Packers took Jake Ryan, the linebacker from UH from a minute from Michigan. Excuse me, Terry Pool to tackle from San Diego State went to Seattle. Shack Mason, a personal favorite.

Dame Brudos guards center from Georgia Tech went to the New England Patriots, who continue to build rebuild their team. They're like their third and fourth the round picks something better than their second round pick in my opinion, Yeah, yeah, they've I love what the Patriots I've done in the third and fourth round. Hated their second round pick. Jordan Richards. Yeah, I love what they've done. Third, fourth, They they have they have a vision. Deandre's Smelter wide receiver from Georgia Tech.

He's interesting, is it San Francisco. There's some I heard some medical questions or a character duestion. It's it's medical. There's no question about that. He has a lot of medical questions, but so intriguing for a baseball player. Six two two twenty five. You know he's in at the Marriest Thomas Mold, but yeah, can you stay on the field for you had an ACL injury most recently has some shoulder stuff. So if he can stay healthy, DeAndre Smelter could end up being a huge steal in this draft.

Denver Broncos then to select Max Garcia, a center from Florida. I thought he was a really stiff legged, straight legged guy. Position blocker. Wasn't really high on him. But maybe with the Denver of the schemes and stuff like that, that there is another Florida lineman off the board. That's what three now? Yeah, you see, And then again we ask why the team is not any good a lot of and that they're running back went pretty early too, Okay. The next would be the Seattle Seahawks were back on

the clock here and it was Mark Glewinsky. Uh Glinsky is that right? Daniel Glewinsky. He he played actually with Kevin White at Lackawanna Junior College and then they both ended up ending up at West Virginia. So uh, Glewinsky's he's a tough throwback kid guards and can also play tackles,

so as a versatility. Okay, one thirty five. Since a Bengals took Marcus Hardison, they've had success with Arizona State players in the past, So Marvin Lewis and the Gang grab a defensive tackle that I think is one of those guys. It looks pretty underachieves a lot, and again, I think you'd have to say, if they could get on track, that he could be. But they've done it before with those Arizona State players, So let's see. And then you talked about Trey Walker or you did not

talk at Trey Walk I'm sorry. The Baltimore Ravens finished around. They took Trey Walker. Interesting prospect he is, Yeah, he is, and a big player. Who will you know him? I don't know him, but I mean I've read up on him because he was sort of a late bloomer on everybody's radar, not Dane Brugler's radar, I'm sure, but I'm sorry. A player we just talked about a lot greed Jared off the board. Now to the Falcons. Yeah, the Falcon The Falcons just uh you knew it couldn't last forever.

You couldn't last forever. This is a pick that's just been much traded. It would be picked one thirty seven. It's gone from Minnesota, from Tampa, through Buffalo and now in the hands the Atlanta Falcons. So they've got him playing three four or are they moving back to four three? What's the Seattle's Seattle? That was a short lived experiment. Yeah, so here he gets definitely a fourth three player. Yeah that's all. That's what I was gonna say, is that

does makes sense for a three or four team. So Grady Jarrett the defensive tackle, he's the He's the son of Jesse Tuggle by the way, so he fits perfectly. His uncle, his or slash godfather's Ray ray Lewis. He works out with Ray Lewis on a daily basis. He has those intangibles you're looking for. He's got very high motor. I call him, you know, the little tea cup because he's he's short and stout. You know, he's he's able to be that quick penetrator, but he doesn't all he

doesn't give up ground either. So um, he's not going to fit every scheme, but at this point in the fifth round, you know, take him. He's also joining Clemson teammate Vic Beasley in Atlanta, which is not more than two. You know, it's interesting because some people will compared him

because size wise and so forth with Aaron Donald. Yeah, and Aaron Donald is a whatyo tenth of the draft people comparing with Geno Atkins as well, who was a fourth round pick, and that typically when you've got that short, your little up right, you're gonna go fourth or fifth round under size. But Aaron Donald just he was off the charts with his athletics and his production at pitt as well. Grady Jarrett did not have as much production

at Clemson, although he did affect a number of plays. Yeah, we got the secret audio from the war room when Jerry Jones, Jason Garret, mattieverflu Saal grab on them jump on the phone with Damian Wilson. So let's go to that, Damien. Yes, we're calling you in here from the draft room, missus Jerry Jones with the Dallas Cowboys. So we're put turning your card in and congratulations, you're gonna have that star on your helmet and we're proud of it too. I've

got your head coach sitting here with me. I've got your defensive coordinator, I've got you linebacker coach. But the one that's grinned the most is the special team's coach. So he's said over here besides you, and he did a big old and up. So let's go to work, cowboy. All right, here's the coach garage head coach. Yeah, well, Damien, Well, congratulations, man, thank you. Are you're ready to get to work? Yeah, I'm ready to go right now. We literally got five

coaches around, big smiles on their faces. Yeah, we've been hanging on here. We're excited to have you. I'm gonna side with some I hear some noise in the background too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's great stuff. I'm gonna see you on Thursday. Get ready to get to work. All right, all right, man, take care of Damien. We're going on. How's it going, buddy, Congratulations, go a lot better enough. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, this is a great spot for you. I can't wait to

get my hands on you. And we know, like we did in the room when you came on your thirty visit, I was gonna teach you one thing at a time and and get going and just improve every day. Okay, and we're gonna work at it. And you don't tell you what. You're gonna make a lot of plays for us. So I'm exciting going about it. Okay, I'll love it. TV congratulations, It must have just gone up on the TV. That's probably what happened. As oh man, they're about to

go crazy again because his cousin. His cousin was taken by the Tennessee Titans. So yeah, so yeah, David, if you're thinking running back for the Cowboys at this point, you're it's Jedi E or bust. Well, you know one Crockett, Yeah you got you got another guy, Thomas Rawls. Thomas Rawls. Thomas Rawls is a guy that played at Michigan for

three years and then transferred to Central Michigan. And I'll tell you this, though, you talk about a guy that's a finisher, you know, I mean he you know, there's a lot of times at Central Michigan that they missed guys like Fisher. They're blocking for him because this kid had to create a lot on his own. And uh, you could see he was a talented football player, you know, coming from like say, coming from Eversity of Michigan. Uh, you know, when he gets in the second level, he's

gonna finish the runs. So he gets on the outside, they trying to he gonna step out of bounce. No, he's gonna lower his shoulder. He's gonna hit you right in the mouth. I would say, if that's, if that's if Rawles is a guy. I mean, I had him in my board in the fifth round. I still think a GI is in the play here, y, I do. I do think. I think there's gonna come a point in time where where the where the uh, the risk

is just totally now. Okay, here we go. This is a guy we're gonna go with and and and and and have at it. I'm gonna I'm gonna make a or I'm gonna I'm gonna make a projection, and you

tell me if I'm off base or not. Is I mean, you know, when we talk about a GI, he being top forty, top fifty talent, assuming his knee checks out, he's a guy that if you draft him, I assume, if he's healthy, he's got the talent to be one A or one B. You know, I mean, if you're saying McFadden's you're one, then I think a gi he's right there at the top of the heap above Randall, Dunbar and Williams. We feel good about that. Yeah, I

have no problem with the player. I thought he was probably a player that's gonna be taken in the second round when so and and and Dane's told you this because he's done all the research that the player is ready to go. Now, this is not a way, this is not this. Yeah, but okay, So if you take Rawls or dig up another running back here, um, where do you see like where where do you see Rawles factoring into that depth chart as a rookie. I mean, if you're talking about this late in the draft, I'm

just gonna have to eat these Okay. How how you're not thinking about a guy who can carry as much of the load right away, are you? And he's a seventh rounder then right, I think you're looking at a seventh round like that. But he's a practice squad guy, then well no, but but maybe and maybe heat the other four that's but can he beat can he beat Randall? And can he beat Williams? That's gonna be the question because they've signed dunn Bar, they're gonna go with McFadden.

It's Williams and Randall to have roster spots exactly. Yeah, it's seventh round. You're right built to me. Okay, if that's the case, take a gi that dis take it. That's the guy they could put. I'm just saying, no, no, no, no no, that's the guy that could put the others

on the street. I'm sitting here thinking, like I said, a gi ear bus because anybody else I'm not thinking I have confidence in to win a job, because i mean, four running backs is a lot they're not going to carry for one of those guys probably loses a job, as is maybe two if you draft a GII. So it'll be interesting with the way they've loaded up on

fullbacks here. Yeah, they got two on the roster right now. Yeah, here's that they would love to have a fullback on this roster apparently, which maybe throw in that into the mix in the seventh round two if they really really want to go that route where they have a fullback on the roster, you assume that Darren McFadden is here,

Lands Dunbar is definitely here. If you keep a fullback here, if you keep a fullback you're talking about, I mean, you're somebody that you probably don't want to let go of. It's probably losing a job this summer. That'll be I mean, even if you don't draft a GI, it'll be interesting to look at. But you know, it's certainly I certainly think they could use the boost if they can get

this kid. Going back to what Brian said about Rawls, My biggest thing with him that I worry about is, Yes, he'll go and he'll he'll hit the defender, he'll run over guys, but sometimes he passes up open lanes to do so, and I think he has almost too much of a hungry temperament to do that. Um, and you know, you wonder he was at Michigan for this first three years. I didn't find the field. Um, there's just some there's some baggage, there's some question marks. Uh so, but you

do have a talented player. You watch his highlights and you go, WHOA, okay something here? How big is he two hundred? He's a good size. Yeah, I think he was two fifteen. He's not a scatback type. He's not Anne Bar type. He is a between the tackles guy five nine to fifteen. Yeah, he can, he can, he could. Okay, Heeney goes to Oakland linebacker from Kansas. Absolutely, Ben Heeny will go at set pick one for you. Let's take a break. We haven't done that yet today. Okay, everybody's

a time out. Yeah, and give everybody a chance to catch your breath a little bit. This has been the wall to wall coverage of the NFL Draft here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We'll be back in just a moment, introducing ATNT rollover data. You're unused planned data automatically rolls over the following He's a product. This is continuing coverage of the twenty fifteen NFL Draft on Dallas Cowboys dot com.

Tom and you look inside the draft room where the Cowboys are waiting to make their fifth round selection, which is number one sixty three overall. I'm Bill Jones along with Brian brought us, Dane Brugler. David Hellman has stepped out for just a moment, but we appreciate you joining us or pick by pick coverage of the twenty fifteen NFL Draft. While we were in our little time out there the Washington Redskins a pick number one forty one

selected Mark trell Spake, the linebacker from Arkansas. So we are some twenty two picks away from the Cowboys pick in the fifth round, number one sixty three. And again if you're just joining us, Damian Wilson, linebacker from Minnesota, just joined us live on the air, as did linebackers coach Maddi eber Flows as the Cowboys fourth round selection, number one twenty seven was at linebacker. Still no running backs in this draft class, and Jerry Jones was right,

they're not valuing running back. We all didn't want to believe him. We all thought it was a smoke screen. We all thought a lot of negative things about you know, how you're going to go forward with the running backs currently on the roster. But they feel like right now that that's the route that they're going to go. So I again, at some point in time, and we're I'm beating a dead horse here, but at some point in time, there's gonna be some value, some value for Jay Age.

I think there's got there's just there's gonna be value that if you, if you, unless they have him completely off the board, which I don't think they do right, then then that's you know, there's value there. But if we later find out that he's off the board, then Brian brought us to spend two hours of his life here talking about something that wasn't going to happen in the first place. Well, and that's that's the draft for you. Though you know it's happened with Clemings exactly, he just

don't know. And looking at my top one hundred guys that are left now, obviously some of these are medical situations and with Lyle Collins another situation. But jayagi um efore Olamu, that's another medical situation. Michael Bennett, the defensive tackle out of Ohio State. Yeah, rickiem Nunez Rochez defensive tackle Southern miss Trey McBride, William and Mary the receiver. One of my favorite players this year. Charles Gains, a corner out of Louisville who has has some character stuff.

So I think that's a reason why he's still on the board. Tyler Davison, defensive tackle Fresno State. And then Christian Covington, the defensive tackle out of Rice. Another medical thing going on with him. Had a had a knee issue and so I think that's why we still have him available on the board. You know, at this point, I here Huntley from you he was not my top one hundred, Okay, but he is still available. Yeah, Brett Hundley,

the quarterback from UCLA is still available. You know. We've also talked about the fact that the Cowboys could stand adding more to their inventory in the secondary, and there are some cornerbacks that are available right now that might fit into this fifth round range, including Kevin White from Tcue, Corey Shepard from Kansas. It was a local product out of Mesquite, Texas, and so they can still go in

a number of directions here. They still haven't replaced Dwayne Harris on this roster, and of course with his special team's ability, the backup wide receiver who had a very nice deal in free agency. And Adrian Amos is the pick here of who is on the Chicago Chicago Bears. Adrian Amos, the safety from Penn State. Yeah, and I'll tell you what, a lot of people liked him as a one of those guys that could be like a true free safety, and you know that's I think that's

where he fits best. You know, there's uh you see him play back. I think he's more of a cover guy than he is a physical get up on you played downhill. He will make tackles, he will come forward. U there were times, and I go back to watching the Central Florida game when you know with their receiver with Perry Ball going down the field and him having to run over and try. I don't see a guy that's really fast. I don't see a very quick guy.

I see a guy, though, is a willing tackler, but he does have that ability to cover in some space, and so he's I think that's why the Bears. Bears are bad at safety. We've always had to deal every time we've ever talked about the Bears, it's been the safety play has been awful. And this kid is a will give him an opportunity to maybe have a better player than what they've been playing with. He's a tweeter for me, I'm not sure about him at corner. I'm not sure about him at safety. I think he looks

like a corner. He does physically looks like a corner. He's too reactive for me. I don't think he anticipates. He waits for the action to unfold before he reacts. But he tested well and so I think some people thought he'd go earlier than this, but this, I think this is a good value for him here in the fifth a player that you can plug in in the safety mix. He'll compete for a job there in Chicago with their bad situation at safety. So with the Adrian Amos not a bad pick here in the fifth round.

You know one thing Cowboys fans wonder, would the Cowboys take a quarterback in this draft? And if you slept in and joined us late, Tier been out running your saturday. Aaron same and Petty went to the New York Jets early in the fourth round. But Bret Hundley still there and Brett Huntley as a guy that the Cowboys at

least worked out. Yeah, you know, and when you talk to Wade Wilson, you know Wade picked ups usually he didn't get to go pick up frequent flyer Miles, but he got to go out to Westwood work this kid out. Got to put him on the board. Uh, you know, he actually went out to to Corvallis. Did Manion in that workout as well? They've talked about if a quarterback was at the right spot, and I don't know if that time has passed now where that quarterback is at

the right spot. I don't know if if the fifth round at at pick one sixty three is the right spot. But Hunley is a guy that they did go, like Bill said, went and worked out and uh and gave him the opportunity to show whether he needed to be drafted. Or We'll be interested to see how many more quarterbacks are drafted. I think we'll see Brett hun Latt's on point. But after that, well we'll see another quarterback drafted, a Chris Bonner, Brandon Bridge, Blake Simms, Taylor Heineke. Well, one

of those quarterbacks go late. That'll be an interesting to What did you think of Chris Bonner, the Colorado State poeblos like? I mean, I like his upside more than Sean mannion Um. I think you have them some things there you can develop. Now. He's not ready to see the NFL field. And we've said that a lot about some of these guys in this class. But he's not ready to see the field right away. But you can get him in a six or seventh round. I would rather take a chance on him in the six or

seventh than Sean Manning in the third. Uh So I think Bonner would be a good value late. So definitely a nanny to keep an eye on Bonner. I'll tell you what I liked to be at him though. I like his height, I really do. And then you watch him six yeah, and he'll stand very tall in the pocket. And then what you have with him, though, is real, real overhand, almost like a baseball pitcher throw him. It's

like he he throws really well over him. But I didn't see a lot of pace on his passes Dan, And that's this thing for someone as big and as over the top as he threw. I was worried about, you know, and in the division. Yeah. And and I'm not trying to kill the kid here, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, though I'm watching kids at the level those games that he's playing against, and I can I

can tell you the games I watched him play. I wish he would have got an opportunity like an Ali Marpette did, to go play in one of these games, to go play in an All Star game, to you know, to show people that he could, you know that he was he belongs because you do like the physical trade of the player have a Flacco type body, Well, it's a Flacco body. Flacco body to me is Mann Manning is the the Flacco body. Well, and he did play at the Medal of Honorable, but it was I mean

he didn't get the instruction there. That see, that's what Okay, Well, I'm talking more like the East West one who had more high profile exactly you know All Star Game with Boer. Yeah, you're right, he's just a novice at the quarterback position where you know, he doesn't know how to control his ball speeds. Uh, there's so many parts of the position where he needs work. So uh but like I said, the development traits are there, the size of the arm, strength,

the smarts. I think that's a good foundation to work on for a late round pick. And we did have a pick of Minnesota Michael Prue at the tight end. Yeah, Michael Pruett. Yeah, went to his product of tight end out of Southern Illinois. And then the New York Giants have selected how do you pronounce Michael Thompson m y K K E l E Thompson. That's the first who did they get you? That's I did not expect him to get drafted. I mean, yeah, you see him on you see him play, and you just I don't know,

I didn't see a draftable player, but Giants saw something different. Yeah. See, the Giants have always kind of been a little bit been the secondary Texas. Yeah I've heard, Yeah, I don't, I don't. I'm kind of lost on the player too. But the thing that that I always known about the Giants seventy eighth safety seventy eight, I don't even remember

him playing for Texas. They got him list of his and if if he must one of those uh Matt Slater types, that if Bill Josel teams as many as many Red River rivalry games, is on the other side of the Red River. But he knows, he knows all the competition he would of Douglas Barricklowe in there. Who's a Texas Longhorn? Has ever heard of Mchael Thompson. Nah, he's shaking his head, and do doug us Will? Where

are you out about those Texas players too? Now? So Thompson had a good workout four or five one Pro day forty yard dash at his Pro day thirty six in vertical ten nine, I jump six eight nine three cones. So all good numbers there for Thompson, that's probably what

helped him get drafted. But the fifth round surprised Giant saw well and and we see this as a safety then, right, and we talked about I mean, if you just want to talk about guys that potentially if this kid played safety, and I'm not going to sider and act like it it pick one forty four. I know who this kid is because I have absolutely no clue who he is. But if the in fact it's a safety guys myself the Swan kid from Georgia is a guy I really liked.

I like to know, how about Hackett. If you're talking about it, you're talking about a big twelve guy Hackett, you know from TCU, maybe Smith from Fresno. I mean, they're guys on this board if you're looking at free safety. But again that's their flavor of ice cream clearly is different from our flavor of ice cream right now with this player. So the Giants definitely trying to upgrade the safety position. Of course, they took land In Collins traded up in the second round to take him as the

first pick of the second round yesterday. Yeah, and he obviously a different type player. He's not a free safety. No, he's this the landing Collins to me is a keep things in front, let me be in the box and and handled things. I again, I said it yesterday or two days ago. I thought maybe he would be an outside linebacker, a really good outside linebacker in this league. I struggle with him having a plainny type of carver. This shows how a little I pay attention to the

safeties for Texas not named um oh, Earl Thomas. Yeah he did. He did make thirty one starts for the Longhorns. Yeah no, I mean you you watched the Texas defense and you see him out there. But I don't know. I just watching Jordan Hicks, you know, studying him. Um you know you could see him make plays with Thompson. I didn't necessarily see that consistency consistently. So surprise he was drafted here in the fifth round. I thought more of a PFA. But like I said, I he did.

Hear a little bit of buzz after the Pro day. He did it did help himself there, So I think that's the big reason why he's coming off the board here in the fifth round. So the long Horns had nobody drafted last year, and this year they get mckill Thompson here in the fifth round. Of course, in the

first round they had Malcolm Brown as well. Yeah, all right, Miami is on the clock and the pick is in for the Dolphins at number one forty five here in the fifth round Cowboys with a fifth round pick, No. Sixth round pick two sevenths and Bobby McCain, the cornerback from Memphis, is the pick of the Miami Dolphins. He thoughts about Bobby McCain there from Memphis day. I like this player. I did really like him ahead of him

as a fourth or a fifth round pick. Not the biggest guy at five nine and a half one, but he's he was always around, always around his receiver. He's physical, he's quick, fluid and the footwork. Yeah, and as you see, there's some activity here in the war room and Jerry Jones is on the phone. They're looking at the wall over there. Brian, what do you suspect is going on? Well,

they're all looking, of course, all the tags. Britt Brown, the associate athletic trainer, is in charge of taking the tags from the draft board over to the left where Jason Garrett, Jerry Jones are all staring. Uh, they're they're obviously talking about something going on. The teams realize that Dallas doesn't have a sixth round pick, so that might be a trade back situation here. Maybe go to their spot, uh and see if they could pick up a pick

or two. But Jerry, this is usually a responsibility for Steven, uh, you know, to get the trade and then they kind of relay things affect that Stephen is not in the room right now. Jerry's handling that. It's like a it's like old school back in the day when I used to see him do that. But Stephen now. But yeah, they're looking at the they're looking he's Jerry's nodding down. He's looking at that spot. And then it's as you see Jason Garrett course pointing up. So you know, maybe

possibility at next year's picks, maybe something here. But you know, Jerry just fielded a call. We' we haven't seen the Cowboys field a bunch of calls in this draft, which is kind of, uh, you know, strange, especially for a team it's been the bottom of the board. So Jerry's Steven's on the phone now, so he just took the calls. Maybe they put the put the team on hold there and let Stephen have at it here. But I like what you said about about McCain. I do. I saw

a very aggressive guy. I didn't see much catchup speed though. That that's the thing about him. Here's a guy who runs four four eight time wise, but a little bit bothering. They used him as a slot blitzer, fight off blocks, those kind of things. He's a physical, aggressive type of guy, step up, tackle and tough and will battle. So last yeah, his last twenty two games eleven interceptions. Yeah wow, and he's a five. He's an under five ten, so he's

a shorter corn. That's probably why you see guys. I saw him get some good you know. He played its UCLA and an old miss and was able to hold up pretty well. Again, I think the last line in my summary sums him up. His lack of physical tools really limit his proceiling, but his ball skills, fluidity and overachieving attitude fit as a possible nickel corner in the NFL. Okay, this one forty six is now owned by the This

was Atlantas pick. It's owned by the Minnesota Vikings. So let's see what the Vikings have up up their sleeve here at the and they just made the pick of the tight end Pruett just three picks earlier. And Minnesota, of course they started the drect what I love what Minnesota did. And Mike Zimmer had to be just beside himself after getting Trey Wayne's in the first round, Eric Kendricks in the second round, personally as a project player in the third round, the Neil Hunter. I think he's

got the potential to be a pass rusher. He's certainly has the traits and the youth whatever, and particularly in their situation within then he bar Brian Robinson's now getting long in the type and I think he just had to leave his first thing. The thing about Hunter to me was an LSU a lump. First. They got to get into play flat back into rush. They can't let him. He can't stand straight out. Saw him pin his ears back and go don't yeah, And that's something LSU has

been known to do. Go after that court he is a stand up and then react guy. And then it's then it's about and he's not big enough. And there's a history at LSU now with Mingo not panting out at top of the dress. Sam Montgomery was another one. They've had some busters now and then the Vikings ended up taking Stefon Diggs wide receiver out of Maryland. YEA, yeah, boy, there here's a guy coming out of high school, was

like a five star talent. How state wanted him? Yeah, Florida wandered him, everyone wanted and who knows, and who knows he couldn't turn out to be one of those mid round guys. Reminded me a lot of Um Ted Gin. Just a linear, straight, lionish athlete who has the speed, but you just wonder about his offensive role. Um, he needs to be better than he's been, and he has some character stuff and he has some medical stuff, so he does bring some baggage. But again, you know we're

talking fifth round. It's when do you take a chance on these guys in Minnesota after going all defense the first three rounds, has gone all offense here on the third day with t J. Clemings the tackle and then Michael Prue at the tight end, and then Stefan Diggs here with pick number one. I'll tell you what I like. I like Clements, I really really do. I mean, I mean, I mean, I Clement I mean I was I mean Michael excuse me, the tight end, Michael Prue, excuse me.

I liked him, Sure, I liked watch him. I thought, you talk about up the field guy, man it catch the foot. What's a comp for prut Is it like a oh, who's the green Bay guy from Texas? Um Drew? Michael Drew, Michael Finlay. I don't know if he's that that good of that good. But I the thing about him, but that at the athletic you know that the guy that when you watched him play, you know, up the field that I mean, just down the field, catch up all that was very very positive. I think he has

starter potential. I do, but I worry about the effort. That's something that I think we need to uh he needs to address because he just, you know, the route running. He just seemed to take plays off. Um So I think that's why he was still available this late. Green Bay just bought this pick from Cleveland. And in the tradition of Ted Thompson, I wonder if they went in the fourth round here, I assume we were in the

fifth round. If they went, you know something that he learned a long time ago from Ron Wolf and the Packers have always had a tradition of doing this, you know, drafted a quarterback. I wonder if Teddy has seen enough of say, a guy like Huntley sliding down the here's here's the the Packers pick. But uh, a couple of picks mine. But the Packers have always been a team that have been very aggressive when it comes to draft pick in the early nineties. Yeah, and that, you know,

that's something that we learned in Green Bay. I mean, that's something that we all uh, you know. And the fact that that uh, that they they don't have a pick. You know, there's some teams potentially they their picks all the way down at one sixty six. They might have made just a small uh not a small, but they might have made an investment here to get traded with

New England. Actually is that okay? So that's okay. And so that's and it makes sense because Belichick loves to load up on his draft picks, and maybe maybe Teddy gave him a next year's pick for this opportunity to draft one. But uh, let's see, it's interesting, Yeah, I I just the Packers are one of those teams. Again, my my, my experience with them and I wondered if they were, if they were gonna readily have some Aaron Rodgers traits about it. Well, he's a he's a pack

twelve quarterback, you know. And and and you know, the Packers, if you look at their situation, their backup quarterback situation has never been really very good. I mean, well it hasn't been good. You know. They always seem like it's toll Zene or Graham Harold. Yeah, I mean it's somebody that doesn't you know, the kid that went off to Seattle and as ye, Mark Brunel, Yeah, I mean, but even but recently Matt Plenn was one. Yeah, I wonder if Teddy. I wonder if Teddy did this. He's obviously

got somebody in mind. But this is a Packer type of tradition. The Larry McCarron is, we will the pick and let's see who the fan WinCE again is going to announce the pick here, but then the selection will come down. But I just wondered, because they're sitting there, They're sitting there at one sixty six, and I just it might be something that they're thinking about. And there it is. There. It is Brett Huntley quarterback from UCLA

as called right here by Brian Brod. I just saw we kept talking about quarterback, and all of a sudden, I'm thinking, when Green Bay went on the clock, I'm thinking, is this around where they would sit there and say we're not to wait anymore and we're gonna draft this quarterback. You know that's something you'd have to you know, Hey, that's what they do exactly. I think you nailed it when you said about they don't have a backup. This

is what they did. Yeah, I mean they are known for drafting quarterbacks late and then turning them into something, whether that's on their roster or trading them away for future assets. Quarterbacks are gold in this league. And so yeah, with Bret Hunley, he's going to a good situation. I mean, he's gonna be in a quarterback room with Aaron Rodgers, so he's gonna be able to learn from one of

the best to do it in the business. For Brett Hunley, you thought you were going to be a first round pick, Bret Hunley, did you end up in the fifth round. But you know what, you couldn't have gone to a better situation in Green Bay, So you're not gonna be expected to see the field, you can sit learn and hopefully he takes advantage of that. And how about Green Bay's draft, taking Damarius Randall late in the first Quentin

Rawlins late in the second. So you got a safety and a corner there, High Montgomery a wide receiver and he's a return gi. Yeah. And then everyone thought that they might even take Stephan Anthony in the first round because they needed a linebacker, and they took a linebacker, Jake Ryan in the fourth round. And now they get a backup quarterback in Brett Huntley. Not a bad draft once again for Ted Thompson, now Teddy again. I was

fortunate in my days to be with that group. And now you got guys like Scott mccluan that was there. He's drafting at Washington, Reggie McKenzie's drafting at Oakland, John Snyder's drafting in Seattle, John Dorsey's in Kansas City. So that was a pretty full room of general Yeah. And and so you guys are blessed to be doing radio with me today. So with all these general managers that I worked with are now at other other spots, and Brian brought us is here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

That's the voice of Brian Rott. Absolutely got Dane Brugler here too. I'm Bill Jones, and we are midway through the fifth round here Cowboys with no umber one sixty three. New Orleans at one forty eight is the team on the clock right now to New Orleans could be out here. They compared Huntley the Jason Campbell. I think that's pretty fair.

I think that's fair. I just noticed. I'm sorry, that's again bad radio on my part, just looking at the screen, probably fans listening to us and watching on the NFL network. There we go. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just saw a guy whose mechanics were all over the place. I really and I think, you know, I think that Tom Clements, you know, his job in Green Bay now is to tighten that up, you know, to to allow you know, to and they'll give him an opportunity to

play again the backup situation. Bill was talking about, Hey, a great situation for him to go and learn, you know, Scott Tolzine and that you know that forget that this guy, bring him in, let him have an opportunity, give him a lot of play that you're not gonna play Aaron Rodgers very much in the preseason, if at all, and so let him, let him develop a little bit, and then uh, either you have a player that one day could start for or Teddy Thompson will find a way

to move that guy along for a draft pick, which has kind of been the green Bay way, and Green Bay did resigned toll Zene this off season. Yeah, well, Matt Flynn still out there. Matt Flynn. They see, that's they've always there. You go, there's an up definitely upgrade right there. That's what you try and do. You try and up to upgrade the position if you can. And he's a he would be a good guy to do

that with. All Right, we've got Miami not doing New Orleans. Well, Miami's seven o'clock now, So I did I didn't mention the New Orleans pick. Davis Tall, Yep, Davis Tall, the linebacker from Tennessee Chattanooga. That was kind of fun film to watch Winded Dane. Yeah, he's a good player. I

love his backstory. Just in high school he was outstanding, I mean the stats, the production, but then he got hurt, fell into the under the radars recruit, ends up at Chattanooga and then all he does at Chattanooga is produced. I mean, you look at his his career stats, fifty nine tackles for loss, thirty seven sacks. But again the durability, he gets hurt, h strained. Uh. I think it's a hamstring issue that was a big thing. His right shoulder

needed surgery. He has hernia surgery a few years ago. So I think with the tool, you have a guy that needs to be able to stay healthy. If he can stay on the field for you, it's a great value in the fifth. Yeah, I thought a guy when I watched him play, I thought the initial quickness was outstanding and get up the field. But I think he has to be on the edge. He mean, he's a guy. If he has to play toe for toe with you, he's not gonna He's not gonna do a very good job.

I like the way the burst, the short air, foot quickness, good pursue, body control, balance, all these things. You know. I don't think he has great playing strength though. I think there's something that he needs to that's something he's gonna have to work on. Uh, you know, effort and all that. I don't know. Maybe he's gonna have to play in New Orleans. It's like they're probably gonna play him an outside linebacker. That's what my notes were. I thought,

I thought he I thought he's gonna have conversion guy. Yeah, he's gonna he's best standing up. He's not a guy you want um in the trenches. Yeah, like you said, toe to toe, that's not going to work for him. So here's a really cool thing. You didn't bring lunch to Lunch was delicious. I didn't want to get it all over the equipment in here, you know. I take a quick I try to go find Nick Eatman and Rob Phillips and see if they wanted to do a shift. They did not, which I'm more than happy to oblige

with y'all. They're handling, you know, writing duties and all that good type of stuff. Right now, you'd much rather talk than write at this point. Honestly, as tiring as it can be to be on a show like this, it's I'd still rather talk than right. Are we tiring not? You guys? Just they'll work anyway. You're getting me off topic here, We do that quite a bit. Cool thing about this job is that you can do something as innocuous as go to get a cup of iced tea

and learn something pretty interesting. Uh you know who's here right now? Would that fa Obada if you'll remember, Yeah, the English player that the Cowboys took a flyer on. Um probably back in March maybe or April. The workout we watched. He played five games of organized American football. Everybody's asking me when he's gonna start. Well, he's he's here, especially British are British fan. He's watching tape with Ben Bloom, who's a defensive assistant. They went to go get a

little bit of long does she physically look? He's enormous, He's gigantic. He's six five, like he's listed at six to five, and he looks like he's six five. Like it's not being big guy, big big guy. I mean, I don't want to guess his weight, but he doesn't look small. Not each other. We absolutely can. I can put it on the internet. Uh So, I mean, you know he's played five games of organized football. Uh, played for an amateur team over and um. Yeah, I mean,

I mean he's here, He's in America. He's at the facility, which means I completely expect to see him at rookie camp this this coming weekend. So two weekends. I think, oh, just no, the Miami Dolphins. I quit as you speak about an englishman. Another englishman has gone off the board and jay a Gie out of Frisco Liberty High School to the Miami Dolphins, and we were speculating Miami would go running back at some point. Yeah, that's uh. I didn't see any reaction though in the war room. Right. No,

they don't really look like they care. Yeah that it's not anything and no U no pin throwing like I would have done. But I'm not a happy man right now. I'm not able to piety. Nine. Well, the thing about it is okay obviously then it was one of those deals where the medical was job. I mean, yeah, they didn't. They didn't. They're trusting with their doctors, and who am I to say they're wrong? But yeah, and he worked out here like he wasn't it. He dall had the credentials,

he could have been a thirty visit. But being a local guy, he was able to come in on Dallas day and he worked out here, and so they're able to take a good look at him and have decided against. I mean, you know, it's not like it's just the Cowboys. It's one hundred and forty eight other picks that went before before this guy. But uh, I mean you look

at it now. I mean, I know we talked about rawls in the seventh round maybe, but kind of kind of running thin on options for legitimate difference makers at the running back position at least through the draft, which I mean like we saw, I mean, like we talked about. They got four. So it's a crowded backfield already. But it's really pretty pretty stunning to see them getting to this stage of the draft and all these names are gone, and I would have now it's now, it's about the

guys you got. Now, it's about it's absolutely it is Joe rand Or. There'll be some speculation about the guy in Minnesota too, but they don't have it. They don't have it. Let But one, why would Minnesota do that just to have next? Again, I go back to why would they get rid of a guy who could run for two thousand yards? Right now? I don't know. I'm

just trying to be very good. Authority from people in the Vikings organization ain't going anywhere second hand people inside the Vikings organization that if they were going to trade Adrian Peter and they're not going to trade him to the team he wants to go to the Dallas makes sense, makes sense. So well, let's say we put that out of her mind so to rest. But yeah, so it's now the guys that have to feel good about their situation.

Ryan Williams is fist pumping somewhere right right, Ryan Williams, Ryan Williams somewhere right now. Is also is Randall? So is battened? Well, yeah, bar the whole group. Yeah, I just think that you know that Jerry Jones, he he you know, we accused him of a lot of things and but he did not lie to us. And that's I question that I rolled my eyes through the back of my skull when Jerry said that on Tuesday at his pre draft preuss call, Like, okay, Cherry running backs

not a need cool story. Yeah, now that's not to say they could add a seventh round guy. They could, but like we're talking like a joy, he was the last guy that you really think could make a difference this year. You know he's going to be Yeah, it could be a contributor this year. Anybody else I will say this, and there will be a free agent that they will sign sure from. And I'll say it right now, Cam McDaniel is going to be a Dallas cowboy, Copell,

Copell cowboy, Notre Dame fighting Irish. Cam McDaniel will be a cowboy Dallas cowboy by the end of the day. I'm just gonna go out on a live and say that. So there's your running back pick up. I'm this is gonna be really interesting to watch because basically what we what we have heard now, I mean, the Cowboys are comfortable rolling with this, with this foursome or trio whatever they wind up doing of McFadden, Randall, Williams and Dunbar

and the potentials there, the upsides there. I mean, you're talking about a top ten pick in two thousand and eight, second round pick in twenty eleven, a guy that they obviously like a lot in Dunbar enough to bring him back, and then the fifth round pick and Randall a lot of potential, a lot of stuff to feel good about, but a lot of injuries, a lot of off field problems, total lack of proven production. So I mean you could

go you could go both ways with that. I mean it could be gangbusters or it could be a big, bad kind of bust, and it's I'm just gonna have to wait and see how it plays out. All right, We've got another pick gun and another Minnesota Golden Gopher gun. The safety Cedric Thompson is now at Miami Dolphin. The Dolphins with back to back picks of Jagie and now Cedric Thompson, who was getting a lot of love here

at late in the draft process. Combine snub who really impresses his pro day jumped off jumped off the field there for scouts earlier in the process after the combine back at March, and so Cedric Thompson not surprised to see him get drafted. A lot of teams have been doing their due diligence on him. When we go back, we you know, now the board, we're looking at us with a ji off the board. You've talked about the guys,

the best guys you have available. I mean, I've got I've got three fourth round guys available on my board, and let's take Collins out lyle Con. Yeah. No, no, I have I've eliminated I've eliminated Collins. But Michael Bennett, I've got to well, yeah, Oh see, if I got a third round, I should have looked up Bennett would be a guy for me as well. So I got a third rounder and Bennett Newness roaches um the the Oregon State defensive endatcha, yeah, yeah, mutch him, guatch him.

And then I also had Hull, the linebacker from Penn State. So those are the guys that I had left as this uh on my on my board in the fourth round. Bennett would be my highest rated player left on my board. Uh. And again we've talked about fit the one or the three. There must be something going on with my man Bennett, the fact that he is not being uh selected right now. Yep, uh, San Francio, it was Indianapolis. Did they take San Francisco's picture?

This is Indianapolis and they take the Stanford nose tackle David Perry Pari Perry p A r R y David Party. Okay, thoughts on him at all day. Stout nose tackle, and I saw him at the Shrine game up close and personal, and he did a nice job. He's Stout, a player that went to Stanford as an offensive lineman actually, and they moved a nose tackle and he's done a nice job there. Not a guy who's going to be very rangy and make plays away from the line of scrimmage,

but as a two down nose tackle. That's what the Colts just got for their three four defense. And clearly Andrew Luck is in the draft room of the Indianapolis Colts. They love Stanford players. Of course they got Luck, they got Kobe Fleeter, and in this draft they have two Stanford defensive lineman now and Henry Anderson and David Perry. Stephen Jones on the phone once again, they filled it a call. Here he's looking back to his right where

the sixth and seventh round of the tags are. So let's see if that was a quick conversation thereon Garrett texting in the meantime, or he used to tweet he needs we need to get a Jason Merritt twitter. I can't think of anything that would discuss Jason Garrett more than the thought of together, how you doing, guys? How about I think the Cowboys are about Byron Jones and his Garret is ms and the Prescott It's almost like a studying for it. Huh. He was like, no, no,

wonder he was such a Garrett guy. No question about that, can't do we have a your point as well made. Maybe it's a really valuable part of our football team, but your point as well made. Jason Garrett does repeat himself a lot well. Jerry Junior coaches, dude, Jerry Jone, he was working at as you could see, we're looking at We're looking at draft order. Yeah, their tags, the blue tags on that board. As you can see, if you can see the color as those are the Cowboys picks.

Those are those the far right of the board. Yeah. For some people get this confused. I've had people tweet at me and say, oh, their boards exposed that that's not that's not their draft Noe, that's just the draft order. As you look at right now, Jerry and Stephen are looking at the board proper. Jason Garrett as well, Jerry Junior was was that's the tagboard. Will mcclay's now over at the board two where potentially they're talking about some moves here, Jerry Jr. Went high with his right hand.

If I'm just someone was wanting to come and offer it looked like to me an early sixth round pick for their spot. So let's see. I mean, I'm just speculating right now, guys. But that's what we do. We get paid to speculate here. I'm all for that. But his it looked like he was talking about his hand went low where their pick was. Maybe somebody at the top of the sixth round was interesting because he went up.

I mean he went down and then went up and then across, And that means maybe that's what they want someone to go right there. They should. They should auction off, like you know, they bring in the Texas State lotto winners at the start of the draft and kind of show them around and stuff like that. They should auction off a chance to sit in the war room. And maybe they take your cell phone away so you can't like tweet about it. But I was thinking about that earlier.

How cool would it be to like beat, like actually be able to hear what they're talking exactly what I was thinking about. As things off, you'd have to have security exactly that just person rope them off, take their phone away, and don't let them out of communication. Somebody grabbed the card and just just run out of the room kind of a thing. How much somebody pay you to do that? I think I would be stunned to hear I think somebody something you could offer. There's somebody,

somebody out there. I gotta think somebody would pay five figures for that, maybe more. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody. There's a rich dude, there's a there's a Texas there's a Texas oilman out there somewhere with a die hard Cowboys fanom suggested, I'm gonna I'm gonna yeah, next to hey, we have the we do those we do those, uh, those goals, those cost saving goals. That's how this comes. So are the are the running backs totally picked over? Now?

It sure seems that one. I mean, you guys, tell me Bameron artist Pain. I'm just throwing out names. Cameron artist Pain of Auburn Well, Matt Jones Area, Josh Robinson Mississippi State, Alcolm Brown of Texas, Carlos Williams Florida State. Does he don't do anything for you? I think there are parents McGee, lsu Dominique Brown Louisville. I think there

are running backs that you can take. But like I said, when Ninjeli went off the board, I think he was the last one that I would expect to contribute to secure a roster. So my last running back on my board is Rawls and that I have him in the fifth round even and okay, even Rawls, Like, yeah, he goes into training camp with four other guys, you confident he comes out. What I'm saying, I mean, I've got him high enough to where I like, I would like an opportunity to take him. I put him there's there

and Alfred Morris anywhere. I mean. And that's the other thing. You look at these running backs this year, in contrast to recent years, how relatively quickly running backs went. Even a couple of years ago, Joseph Randall was a fifth round pick there were there were and Shoot Ellington was a sixth round pick for Arizona two years ago, and

he quickly became a starter in this league. I mean, And if you remember back to twenty thirteen, when the Cowboys drafted Joseph Randall, they talked about him on draft day as the you know, they expected him to be a primary backup and a guy who could carry the load from DeMarco Murray. So it's not like picking this late dooms you to you know, I mean, you can find value there and find contributors that you know, I

don't know about it for this crez. If we get to okay, everybody wants to ask about Carlos Williams because he's a Florida State kid, you know. And I was just going through my notes about him. I didn't see a guy with a great burst. I didn't see a guy that almost had to stop the cut he almost had to stop. I didn't see lateral a jilly. I see a guy I'd like to see him run with better power for being a two hundred and thirty pound guy. I didn't see a creator. You know, there's he made

some backdoor cuts in the Rose Bowl game. I saw that. Didn't see a great finisher. I had a hard time breaking runs unless he was in the open field. I didn't see a guy that played nearly as fast as his forty yard dashtime. That's why I wouldn't have Carlos Williams on my board right now. And I just didn't see And I know some people out there probably think that Carlos Williams is going to be a hell of a football. Place you have my draft guide, you will

not see Carlos Williams in my running back rankings. Yeah, because I have him an h back. I think that's probably his best position in the NFL because he's an athlete. I don't think he's a traditional backfield guy who's gonna run between the tackles. To me, he's someone you want on the edges. He can catch the ball, but he's more of an athlete than a player with a firm position, and so you take a chance on him at some point. But he also has some baggage. His off field stuff

is something you have to worry about too. So with Carlos Williams, I'm not even sure he's gonna be on a lot of boards here. I don't see him being an option for the Cowboy all right, And real quickly a couple of picks have been made. The Jets selected Jarvis Harrison, the offensive guard from Texas A and M, and then it won fifty three. San Diego selects Kyle a manual outside linebacker from four time national champion in North Dakota State. What do you think, oh, Jason Garrett

having a little chuckle here, he's by himself. He looks he always he either looks like he just either looks pensive sad. He just looks stressed out most of the

time on the camera. So I'm glad to see him having a little chuckle there because Jerry and Stephen are off wheeling and dealing somewhere, and I want, I wonder what's what's going through Jason's head right now with I mean and and that's I was going to ask you that, Brian is we talked about it in a minute ago, but the obvious storyline of running back doesn't look like a big possibility. It's still a few picks to go. But I mean, Michael Bennett, I mean, should I be

terrified about why he's still here? What's what I mean, what's the logical what's the logical avenue? That's there's these unknowns when when you do what we all do here and these they have access to player records and we just evaluate the tape and that that's you're at the mercy really of the of that, I mean you are, You're at the mercy of is there something that they found out about medically, uh, that that we don't know about. It hasn't been you know, we all knew that a

Gi had a bad knee. We we knew that, and we didn't find that out that later in the process. Yeah, Dane, Dane told everybody that that that was a case. It was concerned and you know, again got scalded for it. But the thing about it is, I mean the whole thing. We know what's wrong with Collins, why he's not getting drafted. Bennett is he is he? That? Is he bad? That bad of a player or a person? I don't. I think he's a better player. Again, I had him on

my board in the third round. You know, I I saw him as a guy that when you watched the tape at Ohio State, especially at the end and against good competition, I saw a guy that was making play and he's he's an inconsistent performer, but at this point, but to the point where he's not getting drafted und Yeah, I'm surprised by that. To me, I had him in the third round. So I'm with you, Um, and there's another defensive tackle not Michael Bennett off the board. He

was a good player. I thought he might go uh, you know, late third, early fourth, A good value here in the fifth for the plow. Davidson, not a Fresno, played five technique play the Nos. Yes, some offers versatility, um, but with Bennett inconsistent performer, but his flashes when he's on his game. You just watched the Michigan State game. You watched the Wisconsin tape. I mean, he was a big part of Ohio State's defense. So to see him still on the board tells you something's up. He turned

off some teams for some reason. I was standing right next to him at the combine when he was doing his his interview, you know, and Mary and we were we were just I was listening to him talking. What'd you think, you know, I wasn't. It wasn't like I didn't see a massively, you know, built guy. Saw a kind of a normal looking guy in the sweats, and I'm thinking, okay, he's he looks bigger on tape than

he does when I was standing next to him. But he wasn't talking poorly or struggling or anything like that. He seemed like a sharp kid. He was gonna say, hey, looking forward to working out, looking forward to being a you know, looking forward to doing the journey. I mean he was saying all those things that you get, you know,

excited to hear. Soos goes to Buffalo at one fifty five. Well, the Cowboys played Buffalo, and so Carlos Williams has an opportunity to prove me really wrong if he in fact gets the because he's I mean, they got a pretty good running Fred Jackson stuff. I'm just saying if he does play, I mean, if he does play. But I again, I was not a big fan of Carlos Williams. I

know there's people. I'm sure I haven't checked Twitter, and I'm sorry I haven't done that, but I'm sure there's people asking me about a multitask where where Carlos Williams is going to have to succeed on special teams? But you have him as an H thirty. Yeah, and he's almost like a poor man's version of David Johnson, you know, like where he catches the ball, well, does well in space. He's a big kid, but he also has his baggage and there's some things to worry about off the field

with him. So a terrific athlete, just not confident where you play him because I don't want him between the tackles. I don't that's not his strength. So but I think he can play special teams and I think he can make an impact there right away as a rookie. You know, this is at the point in most straps where I get frustrated as a fan because you know the team, they're such a well and there's such a yeah, I

know the name. I've done research and so I know who the players are, and teams go so much for need at this point rather than taking just take the best player there. The player that I like right now is Kenny Bell, the wide receiver from Nebraska. That's that's my guy, right They need they need their Dwayne Harris and he and he's a gunner. I heard an interview with him on a serious radio where uh he he does all the little things. He also he's just got a flare about him too. He's a team leader type

he is. And he's a four He's the Nebraska's all time leading receiver, a four year starter, son of an NFL player. He looks like a pipe cleaner when he's he's so skinny, and he he had single digit reps of two twenty five. But you watch him block, see that killer block. He's a tough SOB. With Google right now, YouTube, just put Kenny Bell block, can You'll see the most

unbelieving he's the best blocker blocking wide receiver in this draft. Yeah, and he's got he does value, he's got some returnability to him. I mean, and I mean before we got sidetracked by by William Carlos Williams, great contemporary poet, went over my head that I'm such a scholar, such a nerd. I ha, hey, you know what, I'm so proud that somebody from LSU could even identify that, um no, I was gonna. I mean, we talked a lot about time Montgomery.

He obviously went off the board way early, as did Tyler Tyler Lockett, but Tony that that Dwayne Harris replacement is still something that the Cowboys need. So maybe that maybe Kenny Bell is a guy that they might identify. There is a guy, a seventh round guy, the guy from Henderson State who they brought in wide receiver Allas day Us Drisco. Yeah, yeah, Friscoe Wake Glent High School would be a possibility in the seventh I still I'm still gonna hold on my guy with with lucky widehead.

See if you get lucky later. Yeah, as I and I know on my sheet, and I'm apologize if people are reading about him, I did the same thing you did. I put him at South alban He's a Florida Atlantic. His uniforms look similar or something, and I did something wrong. Maybe I was following what you were doing and I put him in fault. But no, I I had scouted the player, and I think that when you talk about

guys that are returners, that he could be. This guy has got a lot of a billion And if we're get into seventh round and that name is still floating around, I'm gonna jump up on the table for that that type of player. But I do agree with you about Bella and I have him. I have him in the sixth round. Round, I him the sixth round. I like him as a blocker. I think he can make plays catching the football. They throw him a lot of screens

and stuff like that. I think, you know, when you talk about route running, I think those are all things he's gonna need work on. But you're right, Dane. Physically, for someone so thin he is, he is he make he's tough. I mean he's a tough guy, right. Yeah. What do we make of the movement here in the room. Well, you got Jerry Jones Junior is working with Will McClay and laptops and tablets and all sorts of fun stuff. Stephen Jones is over looking at Uther over on the

X side of the screen. They're watching our show right now. Thank you. Well, we'll pick a guy will at least there's some movement. There's some movement going on here. I mean it makes sense. Six and Eddy on the clock at one fifty seven, Cowboys six picks away at one sixty three. Yeah, I'm just I wonder if they're really thinking about making that move back, you know, if they if in fact that they that they don't want to be out of the sixth round, maybe they you know,

maybe they can move back a little fifth round. Well no, but you do pick up an extra pick, maybe they maybe you could pick up what can you you move back at this point in the draft, you you move back? Say, uh, you're looking if you Dave go away back sixth round you're going shoot, Yeah, where you go, Dave go go just go back to go back to the top of the six if you want any right, let's well we got compisit toys after that one seventies? Yeah, that's a

lot of players, that's that's true. So you got up in fifteen, say you drop fifteen picks from one sixty three to one seventy eight. What are you get in return? Yeah, one sixty three to one seventy eight. That's and that's the problem with these late round picks. That's only a difference of six points. That's you're getting a seventh rounder most getting most under mate. Well you could get maybe a next year's pick. Maybe somebody say I'll give you

next year's five to do this. The most valuable seventh round pick is only worth four points. So yeah, maybe you take a seventh rounder. Yeah, you're getting a lot, though, I think you have to be you know, take your guy, if you go, if you if you're down, if you trade back, you've got to sweat, sweat those compensatory picks. But that don't get traded. But maybe your guy goes. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, there's

eight compensatory picks. Okay, Will's grabbing the phone now. People are trying to call in for somebody's trying to get to this one sixty three. This is the most activity that they've had in the war room today. Well today overall, I think so, yeah, I think so, yeah, I think so. They got pretty active there when they were coming up on Randy Cincinnati took their time with this pick. Will mcclays like, what are you talking about? What are you? What are you doing? Well, that's are you up to,

Will McClay. You know somebody they're interested here. Here's Will's going to hand the phone off to Steve Even. Yeah, and so I mean, but judging by the phone in question, this is this looks this sounds like a trade, right you can tell by that phone. Yeah, this is the phones that they all those banks of phones it's about you see about three feet wide right there. Uh, those are all phones with all the NFL teams on speed dial. They've got the teams. Uh, they've also got communication to

the league office as well. So anything, you know, they've got them all right there. As far as the way, I just have a feeling people offering next year's picks here to try and get this one. I don't know if anybody particularly, I mean, they're they're they're they're looking like, Okay, you're gonna have to wow me here. But I don't think they're getting wild at all. They look like it. There's a touchdown, grabbing tight end from Auburn that just

went to Cincinnatti CZA former quarterback. I kind of liked him as a late round guy. Did you have as a late round guy? Yeah, not very productive, not fifth round by seventh round. Yeah, someone that you want to develop, has the size, looks apart. Did a nice job at

the Senior Bowl. By the way, the Cowboys at the tight end position obviously, Um, you got Witten and Escobar has got two years left, and Hannah's going into his free agent year is well, you know, and and I'll tell you what, James Hannah is a very underrated player in this officer. Absolutely and you look at very quietly what he does as a blocker and on special teams. James Lantley goes about life. Yeah, that he is a very I'll tell you what. I've always a lot of people.

You need those kind of guys on your team. He is a party work. He is not exactly he is a stunt man. You're exactly right. He's up man. He does all the things that nobody else wants to do. He hate. He could have been one of the most lauded names in Cowboys history. If that fumble in Green Bay doesn't kind of squeak between his legs just I mean no, I mean, and I'm not. That's not like he's a scapegoat. There's a million reasons why they lost that game, but that could have been a huge, huge, huge,

huge moment. Sorry to bring that up. Every Yeah, Cowboy fans all around are real happy one. I'm kind of. I mean, you look at my Twitter picture. It's time for you to go get some lunch. I already ate lunch. It was delicious. They got country fried steak, they got I'll be back Bill and Dane and are dying right now. But yeah, I I you know, I the thing let's talk about too. But with with U with the uh yeah, oh there you go, West Virginia Edge rusher. But I

was not enthused with shack Ritic at all. Well, not for this. I sound like I hate every player you do. And it's okay, not not for this defense three four outside back or a guy you want space boy. He for somebody that's light. It's supposed to be able to rush up the field and all that. He doesn't get.

I mean, his first move is extend hands and run well, and it's tough because he was an FCS All American and at Gardner, Webb transferred to West Virginia for a senior year, and he was just kind of lost in that three three five defense where you know, he just he played on the on the line. They didn't really play him to his strength, and so um, it was almost a lost year for Riddick. But I mean, he had a nice game against Baylor. You saw the flashes

and round. He was a combined snub, a player who I would not be shocked if we hear more about him in the in the coming years, A guy I'd like to develop here in the fifth round. I tell you what, man, if you've got a lot better report on him than I do. Because I didn't think he had enough power to handle tackles. I think he needed to play wide to have any type of chance. He needs space, Yeah, absolutely, And he allowed himself. You know, you figure somebody with his athletic ability could not allow

himself to be hooked. And he and there was several times Texas A and M watching like a buoy and those guys play, you know, I mean he got hooked and that was in the Texas game. You know he had seven sex and three of them came against Baylor. Yeah. That there you go, that's the game you watch, But I just that was the big upset, That was the big game, Baylor loss. I just don't think he finished his plays well in a feather two. He's two hundred

and forty four pounds, he's six six. You know, he's got some of the same measurables as our guy here, Randy Gregory. But that just goes to show that's not all measurables. You got to be able to have some pass rush moves. You gotta be able to finish. Yeah, you gotta be instead of just running up the field and extending your hands in the blocker, you've got to find a way to dip your shoulder and get around the corner. Which is the question mark on Denil Hunter

at LSU. He stands, He stands straight up and coaching. And I think that's what they'll get to hear in the NFL say they don't coach with West Virginia not very well. Oh whoa Daniel Hold person? Where are you at the wide receivers? Well, And that's the thing is, you know you have the big part of coaching is realizing what the strengths are and what the weaknesses are. You play them to their strengths. You work on their weaknesses. I don't think they did that with Shack Riddick. He

was underutilized at West Virginia. UM. I think Arizona and what they'll do a nice job developing his talent. I'm I'm intrigued by the body language. Like Stephen Jones is over here by the board on the right side of the screen, Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett are kind of looking. I just kind of feel like, I don't know, is Stephen Jones like what? What? What? What are we things going on? Here? Is somebody making a case for a pick?

I mean, I think they're talking about what names are left and can in fact they make a trade and go down, they'll be able to get that guys they want. That's what they're That's what they're thinking about right now. If they do trade back, are they okay? If they miss out on a guy? Is there another option? What's their plan? The other thing is okay? So I say a team is offering a seventh rounder a right, what's the value of that seventh rounder or that person that

you think you getting a seventh round? You have to take a seventh round pick on a guy rather than making him a priority free agent. The gentleman standing in the very back. There's Walter Julie for a long time scout. He's been here since the late eighties, longer than I've been all and Walter is when the thing that Walter's done now is he has been responsible. They put him

in responsibly with the offensive line. So the last couple of years, I think, starting back with the with Tyren Smith, Walter has been the cross checker for the offensive line. Do you think it's telling that? Well, now, I just know Walter's the guy does he knows all the he's a national guy, he knows, but his cross check position

is offensive line. So the offensive lineman that they've been able to bring in, Walter Julie, who's standing now in Chris Hall's office, has been the scout that's responsible for that. Do you perceive now that they've signed or they've drafted Chaz Green, we don't talk about the interior offensive lineman much, but they talk always needing to be on the lookout. J. J. Nelson from the Funcked program at UAB has found to home in the NFL as he is drafted by the

Arizona Cardinals. I'll say what This son of a gun can fly. I mean when you watch, I mean he is small, he's yeah, wait wise, I mean he's wight wise, very small. But you watched the game and when they when and I remember the Mississippi State game especially, teams got backed up into into the end zone and having a punt out and he's got his feet standing on the fifty yard line catch and then bom, next you know, he's handing the ball the official. He's one of those

types of players. So uh, it's it's nice to see you. You've talked about Bill Uab no longer playing football. I think that's a real shame. But this kid right here, man, you talk about a returner. I purse again had had Whitehead better than him. But Nelson's a guy. I could see the Arizona Cardinals doing some things with him as a returner. With Nelson six career special teams touchdown yeah, five on kicks, went on punt You're right, he flies

at the combine. He showed that with that forty yard dash that he had um a player that Yeah, I don't know what you're gonna get out of him on offense because he has one hundred and fifty six pounds, one hit, and you know he could be outside a few games. So but what he gives you on special teams, that's why they're drafting him here in the fifth round, and that's why he's going to have an NFL future. Pittsburgh is their pick is in. It's Pittsburgh at one sixty,

Carolina at one sixty one, or at Tampa Oakland. I mean it won sixty one and then Tampa Bay at one sixty two, So it's it would be what three picks to Dallas now, well technically two, Yeah, Jesse James got to Pittsburgh. Yeah, tight end, post up tight end. He's someone you want in the red zone. And you think his best football is ahead of him because you look at him, the measurables are there. He looks like he should be better than he is or the production says.

But he can post up with defenders and really, you know, be an impact in the red zone. He's a soft he's as soft as a baby's. But when he as a point of attack blocker, right, he needs to get that as a drop. Needs to do a better job playing up to when you're when you're six six in his way, you have got to be a better point of attack Brocker and take advantage of how big you are, and Jesse James does not do that. Now, you're absolutely right. He's a guy that can make contested catches because he's

got size. He makes it difficult for guys to get around him. But for being a guy that big, he again, he is a very soft football player at the point of attack, and he is a Pittsburgh Steeler. Now, Jesse James. The Assassination of Jesse Jamess by a coward Robert Ford a good movie. Check it out, Brad Pitt is there is there a way? Is there a reasona This is the reason why we have you on this, Pitt, because I do things other than break down draft you know anything?

Any get a himingway in? Yeah? I mean do we need me that the old man in the scene. Yeah. I just looked up Jesse James on Wikipedia. You know what the list his occupation as a gun slinger, criminal criminal Far from that, right now, so let's go a little um. The sun also rises. It's my favorite. Theah, that's my favorite. This pick is now Carolina, right, it was Oakland, but now it's Oakland's pick, and their pick

is in uh Roakland and Tampa Bay then Dallas. So you know, once again, the phones, as you can see, are not ringing in the room. Uh. So that means they're they're committed Bell, Kenny Bell, They're committed to making their pick. It looks like, uh, if they if they were interested, Let's see if they get on the clock and what happens there. But a linebacker going to Oakland neuron ball. Good for him. I'd love to see that. A player who he's had so many obstacles with injuries. Um,

but he's so athletic, he's a fast guy. When he's on the field, you can't help but notice him. Um. He's really had a tough stretch here with injuries early in his career. They didn't think he played football again, came back, and then his senior year got hurt again. Um. So I'm glad to see this going in the round. Certainly I gamble with his durability concerns, but if he's able to stay on the field, he's a heck of a player, someone that I would rank as a top

one hundred talent in this class. Aam but but the medical stuff is a train record. It is he got killed and that's that's the fun part of the draft is Yeah, you know, maybe this is the round. I mean we talked about the fourth and fifth rounds. Uh, you know, maybe maybe he's a footnote in Oakland history. Maybe he kicks the injury bug and becomes something quick

thing on the medicals. A congenital condition called you know what, I don't even have pronounced that you're scouting not a doctor, right, artur of vininious malformation, which is basically a blood vessel in his brain. Back into eleven, they didn't think he'd play football again. He worked his way back, regained his old form, and then as a Sea as a senior. This past year microfracture surgery. So he's had the injuries, he's had a lot of issues. But uh, really great

to see him get drafted here. I just tweeted let's go Kenny Bell and tweeted his picture the best sports AFRO since Oscar Gamble. Oscar Gamble had the best. Yeah, but we've all talked about Kenny Bell. I mean, we we all like Davel I just don't I just don't know. It was still with with Bennett being on the board, nuness roaches. I just maybe that's Kenny Bell just went no, he goes to Tampa Bay. Maybe pick before the Cowboys. Maybe we did stop talking about these picks. Maybe we

need to got a tweet to respond. Yeah, well too bad. But we're just we're chinks in the hut. Yeah we're not. We're just chinks in the heck has it's okay, So this means it's the cowboys turn. The Cowboys would be on the clock, so everybody's in the were always kind of getting a hint. Now whatever. A coach tends to walk over there and pick up the phone. Well, i'll tell you what. Thomas Siskowski is waiting to go on the phone. But they haven't gone on the phone yet.

He hasn't got the the the thought to go on the phone. So let's see if he does. He's in the bottom left corner of your screen as you look at it right now. They might be waiting on a trade. Here. See if their phone rings, They've they've got to they've got time. So let's see if in fact that they do that. We talked about the best players on the board, though, uh, in my on my board, maybe not on their board. But we talk about Bennett Newness Roaches, hall As being

those guys Kie Newness Roaches would be a name. I wouldn't mind here and right here, Yeah, what about the corner. Okay, Siskowsky has gone to the phone there. He's dialing them up, and so that means that they're gonna pick. They're gonna stand in here and make this pick. And for them, let's see who in fact stupid anyway, So this would be picked one sixty three for the Dallas Cowboys, and uh, we shall see who it is here. Momentarily, Siskowsky hands

the phone off to Jerry. Okay, this is always entertaining. We might have some more yelling family members in the background. This is always fun getting Jerry's got a second instructions before a dressing the new Dallas Cowboy. I think Jerry's probably going on camera here, so that's probably why he's waiting. He's waiting for them to set up the shot, kind of like MacArthur when he came on shore. You got this, I'm walking on here you go. That's there's a there's

a reference for you. You're not just a football guy. Well you were probably alive then too. Yeah, no, well are you talking about there? But no, I again, it's you know, uh, that's uh, we'll see who who. In fact, the Cowboys helped me out Twitter, where's this tip my tip to pick for him? They're at the lunch. Yeah, it's not as Germanic, it's not as dramatic. It's not as dramatic right now. No, I'm interested. I mean, we're not seeing a coach in the shot here to get

to tip us off with its offense. Defense. Nick Eaman is to the rescue for us. He says, Ryan Russell perdue defensive. Yeah, Ryan Russell does a very uh low key yeah, Bryan, Anthony Spencer Purdue defensive and Ryan Russell. You can't you can't say the Cowboys having addressed their defense this weekend if they I mean, I didn't have Ryan Russell, I didn't have that one. Is it anything things four two sixty nine had a one sixty two split.

There's pro day. I guess they were just sad that Anthony Spencer wasn't on the roster and three sacks, six and a half tackles for lost and twelve starts his last year T year starter ten ten sacks, which is good number, but not for a four year starter. A player where you know. I even called him my my skying report. I called his film lack luster U. And I think he was a big part of him. He was caught out of position in the scheme as a freshman. I really liked what I saw Ryan Russell. I thought,

here's a player to keep on the radar. I wrote his name down. Um, you know scouting Kawan Short and those guys back way back when. And then the Purdue as a coaching change, there's Ryan Russell official to the Dallas from Carrolton Creek View High School. He was a little product. Yes, um, I he was probably here on Dallas they then. I don't know if I remember seeing his name, but yeah, I didn't mean to interrupt your dango. Well,

the Purdue had a coaching change. They switched to a three to four and he was caught caught out a position as a five technique and he didn't really adapt well to that new position. And I think that's a big part of why he struggled. But size wise, you know, six four two seventy pounds, four seventy five forty yard dash, A good a good kid too, just didn't fit what Purdue wanted. So he's better in a four to three as a as a left defensive end, and that's probably

what he is. He's more of a backup, and that's what I scattered him as as a backup. Doesn't have a high NFL ceiling. But you know we're talking in these late rounds, in the fifth round, that's the type of player that you're you're looking for. So Ryan Russell is a Dallas cowboy and so one. I mean again, that defensive line, I mean, all of a sudden, you talk about it being a position of need when we started the weekend, All of a sudden, now you're thinking, man,

pretty crowded room right now. I mean, you know, you draft Gregory and Russell in this draft class. Keep in mind we've lost Anthony Spencer as well as George Selvi. George Selva is off. You lose Henry Melton to Tampa Bay, and free agency, you bring back Nick Hayden, you signed Greg Hardy in free agency. You draft two guys at end. This guy's left end, you would assume, right, I would guess.

So yeah, so you're saying the scheme change and all that day it really stunted his development because again as a freshman, really impressed. Uh, you know, when I was scouting Kawan, short defensive tackle Ryan Russell was the player that was jumping off the film to me. But then the coaching change, the scheme change, it really just halted his development. And you know you didn't like what you saw in terms of development the next few years. You could throw on his freshman tape and throw on some

senior tape, not much difference between the two. So you didn't just you didn't see that development over the years. At six five, two seventy three, Bill, I would, Yeah, I'd have to assume a left defensive end, which I mean, granted that's something. Right end is the one that generates the sacks, but it's you can't ignore that either, is what do you think the depth chart is at left defensive end of Marcus Lawrence as your starter, right Jack Crawford.

Jack Crawford would be too. Gardner, Ben Gardner is probably a left defensive end as well. And Ben Gardner and this guy are going to fight out for a spot. Maybe leon Let's in the room had shakes all around. Leon must have went and worked this guy out, and this is one of his guys, so good for good for Leon Let If that in fact that is the case, this is all None of this will matter when fa Obada is the starting left end day season. Keep an

eye on all fa see what happens there. So it with just two picks left, both in the seventh round. As of right now, we are off for the foreseeable future with no sixth round pick. So you've got the Cowboys draft class includes four defensive players and one offensive player. Cornerback Byron Jones, first defensive end Randy Gregory, and in the third round tackle Chaz Green, Damian Wilson, fourth round linebacker from Minnesota. Fifth round now Ryan Russell, defensive end Purdue.

They load up on the big ten here on the third day of the draft. All right, about that. Just some strengths, you know, we've talked about where Russell kind of fell short. But some of his strengths from my sky report physical hands, adequate length, work off blockers, He's balanced, continue his path to the pocket, smooth body type, he can sink redirect while in pursuit, stays low off the snap,

using leverage, hustle, discipline, vers lave run. He's experienced in multiple fronts, so he is well versed with the various front seven responsibilities, and you love the resume as a four years order forty seven career starts, He's seen a lot of football um and a local kid as Bill mentioned from Carrollton. Yeah, he could. I mean he could probably be here later today. If I had to guess, you could bring him in as the today. I don't know if they send the bus for the fifth round guy.

I think the bus is probably just for Byron maybe under Orlando Scandrick was a fifth rounder. Story Joseph Randall, who might be you're starting running back fifth rounder? Maybe the most predictable pick just now. Joe Cardona and the Navy long snapper to New England. You know, Bill Belichick had his eye on that long snapper for a while. His dad coached, right, So how often does a long

snapper get drafted? Well, if he plays, if he plays as long as some of these guys have played in them as well, if you get your man, it's a fifteen year type of deal. Yeah, we've had a putter now long snapper in this jof in the fifth round. But we've got guys like Michael ben In on the still on the board. He's won a national Championship, Nudis Roaches Hall just you know, it's amazing these teams and what they and what they do and what they see

and I and I get it. And you know, maybe this is the times when you have guys, when guys don't go off the board that you question what you really saw on that player as a scout. And I know, Dane, you know, and I here, I am. I can honestly tell you Ryan Russell is a guy did not study I did not I did not study Ryan Russell. I did not think that Ryan ru I mean, I just didn't feel like, in going through some of the notes and stuff, who are the guys and I stayed two

hundred and twenty five players. You know, here's the thing, here's the thing that struck me about it and why I looked him up was the ten yards split. Yeah, I mean, he's here's a guy who's six four, two seventy and he's got a one sixty two ten yards split at one sixty four to combine U twenty five bench reps to go along with it. And that I just noticed as a seven twenty five hone drill two. And so I noticed that. So in my limited time to look up these guys. That's where I go off of,

and then I go researching further. Well, you love the ten yards split? One sixty three is a good time for him? Um, you look at just for comparison, Shane Ray his ten yards split was one sixty three. Uh, some other guys to see DIGGI zoo his ten yards split one six one sou for Ryan Russell, you like the ten yards split. That's that that measures initial get off off off the line, that initial quickness. And so with Ryan Russell again, I liked. I liked what I

saw early in his career. I just didn't see that development. But that's something with NFL coaching, you know, there's some untapped You like the other thing, Purdue defensive ends have a habit of making teams right league and contributing to Okay, we're back on the draft for the war room covered up back to us ugly mugs. Yeah, and probably had a number of Purdue defensive ends who have made it

in this league, probably go away for a while. So uh, Cowboys no sixth round pick though, all right, So I'm curious, and we talked about this briefly. UM, just trying to project what this defensive line looks like after these two picks, I mean you carry, I mean you got an eight man rotation. You're thinking, I mean, what's the maximum guys that you would I mean nine nine defensive linemen on

this team. Well, they carried, Yeah, they rotate, you know yeah, I mean you want a two man rotation, right if you can help it? Right. So we might be getting Ryan Russell here. I kind of I thought that might be on the on the phone here, So we're kind of in in hold mode right now. And uh well, so as we compare, we got Ryan, we do heavy. Okay, we got Ryan Russell here. Ryan Russell? Hello, are you there? I'm here, I'm here, Hey, good congratulations Ryan Russell. I'm

being a Dallas Cowboy. Thank you. I appreciate it. You got Bill Jones here. I'm with CBS eleven Sports here locally and Dallas sport Worth as well as here with the Cowboys, and Brian brought Us of Dallas Cowboys dot com. David Hellman of Dallas Cowboys dot com as well. We know that you're a local product as well, Carrolton Creek, you high school, and so this has to make your day to be a Cowboy right definitely. I mean twenty

minutes from Dallas. I've been to. They were the first UM football games I went to Dallas Cowboys football game. But I love watching them grow up and I'm just so happy to be, you know, going going back their home and being able to play for such a great organization. Where are you right now? Right right now, I'm actually in Buffalo, New York. Um, this is where most of my family are right now. So that's why I'm at right now that can't wait to get back to Dallas.

So what has this day been like for you? And what was your reaction when you got the call from Jerry Jones? When when I heard when I heard Jerry Jones on the phone, I was just in shock and awe. I mean, I'm just relieved, excited, humbled, blast, There's so many words that come to mind. I can't even I can't even describe it. Really. And what were you thinking

as this day was going on? Um, just that I wanted a team to believe in me as much I believe myself and to give me opportunity to grow and become, you know, the player that I know I can be. And when I met with the Cowboys and coach Marinelli. You know, I definitely felt that from them and from the organization. I felt that support and then encourage me and just the teaching that that they bring to the organization. And I couldn't have picked a better team to be

a part of lot. I'm glad they chose me. Ryan. Did they work you out in West Lafayette or did you come here to work out? Did when you first had your with with with Marinelli and Leon letting those guys? Uh Um, Coast Bloom actually came to Okay, we didn't work out there, Okay. Um. After that, I took a visit out to Dallas, Okay with coach Lanton and coach Marinelli. Okay, great.

So and again we had coach Marinelli on earlier today and he was talking about guys that have that position flexibility and and you know, we were leading up to the draft and stuff, and even when you were the selection. Yeah, we've talked about You've played a couple of different schemes while you were at Purdue, and so is this this four three scheme playing as I assume like playing is a left defensive end. Is that something you will be

comfortable doing? Oh? Yeah, definitely. That's that's where I started learning football, and that's where I fell in love with the game at and that, Um, you know, I've done a lot of things, that's definitely the thing I'm most comfortable with. And I'm just excited to be able to play that and learn and grow and if they need me in different areas, you know, in different schemes or

from places, I think I can do that as well. Hey, Ryan, congrats. Uh, you know, we we have the opportunity to watch the Cowboys war room cam here while they're making these selections and uh, certain certainly seemed to get a good response from Leon Latt when he heard that you were the pick. What what's Leon? You mentioned Rod Marinelli? What's been that that dialogue in that relationship with these guys as the draft process has gone on, and what you've been able

to learn about them? Well, just coaching me and when I when I met him when I came to Dallas, and is very supportive. You know, he's played, he's been in my position before. He knows kind of you know, the things that it takes in the criticism you hear from the outside and the support system. Ashmunal insight so instantly we kicked it off. I mean, he's given me great support. There's been a lot of you know, questions or concerns about my play and then things like that.

And I told him, you know, the first that I met him, I was like, I don't really have any excuses. I don't have any reasons. I'm just ready to change that perception of myself. And I think we really hit it off there and hit the ground running in that regard. And when I met coach Marinelli, I mean, his first thing he told me said, I'm going to make you a better player. To whether the draft through, we don't ease this time that we have together, I'm going to

make you a better player. And I definitely left the meeting so like I knew way more than I came in with. And just knowing that, I was like, if I could come here and if I can be under his mentorship, that I know I can be the best player that I could possibly be. So I'm just like I said, I'm ecstatic to be a Dallas Cowboy. Yeah there you go right. Well listen ay, well, Ben Bloom, the defensive line coach is now here in studio with us.

So I'm gonna give you an opportunity to get to say hello to coach Blue, who you were talking about, came to West Lafayette and got a chance to work you out. So coach the floors yours Brian. What's up man? How you doing? I'm doing great? How are you coaching? I'm excited, man, I think I'm doing better than you. I'm just pumped to have you on the squad. Yeah, I don't know about that, but I'm definitely excited to Well, the most exciting part for me is other than your ability,

which you've shown in college. You know, the expectation here and how we play, and you know, we got to work together at the workout at Purdue. So um, I feel like we've already laid the right foundation for you to, you know, come in here and you know, fight for a job right away. Yeah, sir, Yeah sir. Well, Ryan, listen, thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate you. Congratulations on being select. I know it's a

very exciting day for you and for your family. Have a safe trip back from buff and we'll see here in a couple of weeks for camps. Okay, all right, thank you appreciate all right, thank you, grats Ryan, Well you went and did the workout. Yeah, this is this is this Verst saying, look, is this one of your pet cats? Is this one of these guys that I walked by your office and you grind on that tape pretty hard? You coach these guys really hard. Is this one of those guys that it was kind of caught

your eye initially as it was going along. Yeah, I mean he's got a lot of talent and it definitely flashed throughout his college career. You know, I just remember watching him playing Indiana Notre Dame, those two games. Even he again, sureff from Iowa. You know, he played some big time competition at some big time games. So I was excited to see that. And Ryan alluded to it. He wasn't a consistent player. So it's my job and his job was working together to get that consistency from him. Right,

we talk I mean, nobody knows better than y'all. We talk about, you know, the roles these guys play. Once you get him here and we're working on our best guestimates. Really, I mean he left end is that I mean, you have an idea of what you kind of hope to start him out as and what you see him as becoming. Yeah, I think he can play any end position, but from a measurable standpoint, and you know what he's done in college,

left end seems to be the most natural fit. But we don't like to, you know, put our guys in a limited right pigeonhole. Pigeon hole, it's a good way to say it. So sure, I think he could play left. If he had a play right, he could play right, and then we'd always experiment moving him inside. But I think left end is the obvious place to start him off at and got with his speed, athleticism, ability to bend for a tall guy, that's where you can see, hey,

we could have some position flex here. His Russian mechanics, he can flip his hips, he can dip his inside shoulder, he can burst to the ball, so hey, he can rush from anywhere. In my mind, we just got to find the best place for him. We always joke that every position coach wants his guy to get drafted at any round of the draft. So what, how how's it feeling with you, Leon and Rob Marinelli? Right now with Randy Gregory and now and now another defensive lineman in

the building this weekend. It's exciting. You know. We just want to get as many talented guys that love football here and create competition. We're better coaches when we have competition. And uh, it's gonna make everybody, uh in the defensive line room better coaches and players. Can you talk a little bit about the evaluation of Gregory? I mean, again,

that's something that is you guys. You guys coach these guys and you look at these guys and anything else is you know, the front office has to take care of that. I mean, you're responsibly. But talk about though, when you get a player to get an opportunity to coach a guy that a lot of people as thinks and I agree at elite rush ability and now here he is a part of your team, and then talk about coaching a guy like that. Yeah, I mean when you turn on the tape and watch Randy Um, the

talents obvious as a rusher. Um, even with his length and ability to bend, he can set an edge again as the big oh tackle. Um. The speed, the rush ability, the natural instincts, it's all there. And his motors high too. So from a football character standpoint, From a talent. You know,

it's everything you want. So you're excited to have a guy here that puts a lot of positive things on tape, and you just want to get a guy like here, Get him here, guy like that, Get him here, get him lined up seeing the right stuff and playing fast and let his natural abilities take over before I let

you go here. We talk about with the with the Marcus Lawrence, you know, and last year wet yeah, and we lost we didn't We lost him in the preseason and then you know, through the middle of the season and then you guys worked really hard every day even when he wasn't doing physical rep tracts and he was working against somebody, you were working on his technique. Talk about where you see him at right now from where he started to this point in time where we'll see

him out here in the camps and stuff here really soon. Yeah. No, it's a great question. And um, you know, part of our offseason work with all the players on our current roster, we go back and look at their entire season individually and cut up you know, what you did well, which you didn't do well, so we can really focus on specific things. And you know, in the last few weeks. I've watched and watched the Marcus from his first game versus Arizona all the way through the playoffs, and you

see him playing better as the season goes along. Now it's easy to say, hey, he had two sacks in the playoffs, so from a statistical standpoint, he did that, but if you just watch the individual plays, he's playing better and better. With him, the toughness and the physicality was always there, So just for him, it's the technique stuff, rushing the passer, you know, working edges, working half a man,

using his speed, getting better with his hands. He's doing that stuff and he has improved with that, and he did it coming kind of behind the eight ball from a deficit. So now he's got a a full off season and a full training camp, so I see the sky the limit with him and he should be competing to be on the field a ton of fus next year. Well, Coach Bloom, thanks so much for Josh. Appreciate kings great

insight there. That's coach Cowboys defensive line coach Ben Bloom, one of the really outstanding young coaches in this league. I've really enjoyed watching him work so up watching and he even says that when you're not in Yeah, no, I do think a lot of respect. His office is right on the hallways. You can always tell when he's

actually working. No, no, he works a lot, that's but no, he is going when the outstanding young coaches and thanks again for your time, Ben Bloom the defensive line coaches, das coach. This is continuing coverage of the twenty fifteen and FL Draft on Della's Cowboys dot com. Brian brought us back here devastating news. News roach is actually means say it ain't so, say it ain't so. Kansas City chief can't see change at John Dorsey again. Another guy

worked with smart football man. It's a guy. It's a guy. We really liked that the Cowboys don't have to play. Yeah, so at least we got that going for class. Fool guy I'm working on. I had him a little high there in the fourth round. I believe for uh for CBS Sports, I'm working on five winners and five losers from this weekend. And I tell you want people to tweet to you that the chief tell me, tell me your opinion. But the chiefs are up there. I really

like what they did. Adding two impact corners with Marcus Peters and Stevie Nelson. Uh, Mitch Morris, I thought, is their center of the future. I don't think I loved that receiver pick they made though, the Conley kid, Oh see, I I like that at that point in that third round. Uh I he blew up the combine and so the workout warrior. I mean, you know, but he his tape, you could see it. He showed Flash is not the most consistent player lass class houses can't throw. I mean,

people call Byron Jones a workout warrior. So who am I to say that that Conley's a workout warrior. So we shall see, we shall see. How's the last four doing in Kansas City? Did he do anything? No, he's been a little bit. Yeah. I liked him. I liked him. Uh. You've got the members of the Draft show here and including our trusted director there of Kent Garrison leading the way. He's been here shout out, shout out ed k Hill. Yeah, not not with us, not even not even watching because

he's probably at a soccer game. He's chicken strip some Yeah, he's not really it, but you know he's doing he's doing a simulated mock dra He was a vital he was a vital part of the Draft show. He was and we're very and as we start this round, kay Hill, Yeah, it would give us an opportunity I almost spit my drink out, almost give us an opportunity to thank everybody again as we get into the last round here colways do have two picks, but to thank everybody along the

way that's made the Draft Show possible. It did started out ed and I with an idea of what we wanted to do and Derek Eagleton, everybody allowing out out Derek Eagleton and co on them out. Yeah, thanks again to big thanks to da guy right here is a machine. And uh, you know we've been here since Jeff and Katie Yeah, Bill cast a thousand, but the I'm talking about our Draft show up this year. Yeah guy, I know we appreciate you guys sending a long journey from

it has been from Mobile, Alabama on a Winnebago. It was a fun journey though, absolutely it was fun. Do it again next year. The uh Christian socally from Buffalo. Yeah Soaky's yeah. A player who Laurence so Cool, an Albanian native immigrant who was out of position at nose guard for the Buffalo went to Seattle. His agent just tweeted, they're moving him the offensive line. Yeah, I saw I

listed to him as a guard. Yeah, that's interesting. Seattle at j R. Sweezy another former defensive lineman they moved to the offensive line started has been a consistent guard for them. That is only it's coming teen kid from Rice, guy picked by Houston, So good for him. Yeah, Christian nat play it obviously at Rice. Yeah, well yeah Rice, So he doesn't. He gets to upgrade his apartment, is what he does. He goes now from having like yeah, he moves apart to campus to a good to a

real good apartment. So good for Christian Comington. And then we said about Nunis Roaches, a guy that one of my favorite players. I have a lot of favorite players, Dave, you know that that's okay, the wrong Southern miss. He goes to my buddy John Dorsey at the Kansas City Chiefs. So good for him. He gets at up. So we're now into the uh into the seventh round. I always like to call this the lightning round. Uh. He was on the clock that Cowboys picks coming too. Yeah, we

do have Cowboys picks coming the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let me see, actually Oakland had this this first pick at two eighteen and where that would be Anthony Morris to tackle from Tennessee State. Uh, then we go to pick two nineteen, which would be that would be the Cleveland Browns. Picks been traded quite a bit. Sad stat that Jason Witten probably doesn't want to hear that I pulled off Twitter. Yep, Tennessee State and Tennessee Chattanooga have had players drafted today. Yeah,

this weekend. Ye. No volunteers off the board. No volunteers in twenty fifteen so far. Yeah. And by the way, Justin Coleman, we might see him this round, but my big could get shut out. War room cam is now covered. You're seeing that our faces right now. But when they feel comfortable about getting this going again, we will see the war room. We've been doing that all weekend. It's been something I feel like they I feel like they've covered the camera up more this year than they have

in years past. But they they've got a lot going on in there, a lot of a lot of you know, a lot of trying to figure things out. So a lot of a lot of debate, a lot of debt and going on. They don't need to see. But no, we've we've got a Really it's been a nice thing for us to go in there and be a part and see as picks have been made and stuff. That was. That was a trip during the Randy Gregory it was how animated that room was to Dane pick two nineteen

to Cleveland. Hayes Pollard, the inside linebacker from USC. Yeah, a player that as a four year starter at USC, you know, racked up the production three hundred and seventy seven tackles. Uh. I'm not sure where he fits. Is he an inside back er, outside backer? He played both, He played both, he played middle, he played a will for Cleveland or for a USC. Now going to Cleveland, he's be one heck of a special teams player for them. Yeah,

I think that's where he's gonna fit. Uh. You know, obviously he's around the ball, he is, he can play in space. Um, he's an athlete. So UM, we'll see how he how he transitions to to defense. But I think initially on special teams where he'll make his uh, he'll he'll be earning his paychecks. That's the eleventh pick for the Browns. Yeah, damn there, and then they have another picket, so they could come away with a dozen a dozen pick and everybody thought they were gonna be

dealing them the way. Uh. The next team that will be on the clock at two twenty is the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm just making sure that they're in fact they are on the clock. They are on the clock. Pick this a pick has been announced at all. If you see anything, I don't think so. And then behind them will be the Oakland Raiders. So again, this will be teams. Now, this is what teams do. You know, your your your scouts are already now with coaches. They're calling free agents,

they're trying to recruit a little bit. You're talking to guys. Hey, listen, if you don't get picked, h you know, we'd love to have you. Chris Hall does a tremendous job with the priority free agents will be here, you know, through the evening getting them. Yeah, I mean list of guys as you know, you assume the seventh round will probably be over and yeah, and the whole idea, the whole idea here is that if there is guys that are on the board that are still on their draft board

physically on their board. When this thing ends, those guys become the priorities that you go out and get. So as we go to the war room, cam uh, you'll see guys stand by the board and all that. And but that's the idea. Tony Romo. Let me get an example. Tony Romo was not drafted. Then he became a priority free agent. Boom, go to work, Bill Parcels, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, try and get him to be a Dallas

cowboy in that in fact happened. So and Andrew Brandt's gonna tweet out his favorite story here in a minute about how he was working in the Green Bay for ant office and oh three, and and nobody was interested in signing Tony Romo to an undrafted contract. So yeah, but no, it is, I mean so yeah, I mean the seventh round will probably be over by about I don't know five. It is the light, Yeah, Oga, the Pixar coming off there. I'm gonna stump you on a

guy there. Day the Jacksonville Jaguars at the two hundred and twentieth spot took a wide receiver from Mammouth, New Jersey Mammouth College named Neil Sterling. What do you know about Neil Sterling? Uh, you know he's a big kid. Uh now he's six two, two thirty five. He I did see a little bit of him. Yeah, I don't think we're talking about Miles Austin Miles Aston, yeah exact, yeah, yeah, but he's a thick player. He looks all bit of two thirty five. Um, surprise he's drafted over some of

these players. We I mean, Trey McBride, something is going on with him that he's still on the board. Well McBride, Lewis you know Farmer, These are all guys we talked. I have a feeling you're gonna see these guys come off the board and maybe as we get closer to Dallas's pick with two in this round, like we alluded to before our break, I walked down the coaching the coaching corridor while we were out in commercial and uh could hear could hear some rumblings coming from Derek Dooley's office.

So we'll see if they're gonna get into any was Derek on a rampage? Rampage is not fair, but you could just kind of hear him was he mumbling. It was. It was like an excited kind of chatter that classic. Well he's you know, and what they're doing, Like I said, these the scouts are with the coaches. They're doing recruiting and this is what Derek Dooley can do. Derek Dooley, get on the phone. That dude sell That dude will

sell you like he'll sell you a bridge. Y. Yeah. Yeah, So that's what's going on right now, this this round, these picks will go. You know, teams have an idea, I bet, and you gotta believe the offensive coaches are like, give us somebody, Come on, it's been all defense. Well, who are the most elite players on this team? If you think right now, I'm aware of that. That doesn't mean Derek Dooley doesn't want another wide receiver. I'm sure Derek Dooley would like ten watch sup Arry Brown wants

a running back to play around with. I bet you yeah, Well that they might see some again the priority free agents. They're showing some highlights right now of Neil Sterling and Danish Right. This kid is a good looking sucker, isn't He is a good looking kid wearing number seventeen and that's also you can probably count seventeen people in the stands. Yeah, he's not a big stadium, but from Mammoth College. And uh, you said not Miles Austin. He's much bigger than Miles

Austin's right. Well, it's just you know, looking at the receiver still on the board, I'm just shocked about Trey McBride. Top one talent, Mike, Well, we've got Dallas's. Dallas's first pick is gonna be at two thirty six. This is the pick that they got from um, the San Diego Chargers. Uh, in the or it's I wasn't the defensive tackle. Oh my god, what's his name? Where it's killing? Oh, it's killing. I gotta I gotta remember. No, it's I can't. I

can't not remember. You're not gonna remember that. No, it's just it's right on the tip of my tongue. I'm calling up the roster right now, and you're not helping. What's his name? I'm waiting. I'm waiting to see if you get it. Oh no, I mean I'm looking. Uh. Oh, really try hard, guy, No, I know, it's it's right on the tip of my tongue. Is he not with San Diego restricted guy. What's his name? What is his name? You don't know either? What a disasters terrible he was on?

Oh you know, you seriously don't remember. I don't remember. Somebody tweet me what this guy's now? Oh, here we go and Everyboddy, Everybuddy John Nelson, John listen, that's what it was. I couldn't remember. I was open. You were gonna get acting like I'm a jerk because I don't know. I played some games without a helmet. I don't remember this stuff, Like Buddy John Nelson in Liverpool he gets Sean listen more, thank you very much, Anthony, whoopee, Jazz God,

Justin and everyone of them, all these cowboy fans. Here we are. We worked to the team and we can't even remember these players. Is that what this pick is? I believe this pick was for him, kay, So I believe that that was what it was. So, uh so anyway that would be let's let's let's project now, I mean it's we got to try and project some guys here. I mean potentially, uh Dane value anything that you see that you think something that you you do not want to fight for in free agency. You want to go

ahead and knock this thing out right now. I mean you want to go ahead and just say, Okay, this is what we're gonna do. We don't want to fight anybody in free agency. We're gonna we're gonna draft one of these guys, Sean listen more. And a lot of times that comes down to, you know, offensive lineman, you know the big guys that will have options in free agency, Guys that you know their phone is gonna be buzzing.

And right now it's when you start calling these guys and say, hey, you know, we might draft you at two thirty six. We don't know, but if we don't, we're going to be very interested to bring you in as an undrafted free agent, a priority guy. You know, we love you. There you're selling, they're selling exactly. So right now is when they're on the phone. It's gonna be interesting with some of these players because it's a

it's a it's a it's a game. You you kind of have to weigh who do you think you can get as an undrafted free agent? Who do you think you need to draft just to make sure you secure his rights? Uh, it's interesting part of the seventh round. Dave from what you know team needs wise for the Dallas Cowboys, You've addressed a lot of different things, mostly on the defensive side of the ball. Today and and and the last few days you have where do you see is there one position? Is there you need another?

Do you need another guard? Do you need another you know you're thinking about preseason games and stuff like that. You know you need more offensive lineman kinding back. I mean, is this kind of well I was going to mention that this kind of plays into it. We've been mentioning this a few times over the weekend. Adam Schefter reporting that Zach Stacey is now a Jet in exchange for the two twenty four overall pick, which, okay, coming up,

coming up. Yeah, so the Rams get another pick at two twenty four and exchange for a decent I mean, you know, I'm not gonna wouldn't be the starter here anyway. You know, I'm kind of of the opinion people will say running back, But if you weren't going to take a real difference maker, I think you got four that you can roll with. It is concerning, but it's not something that I'm concerned, like, you know, really worried about

in terms of just adding depth. Guys, I think safety, you know, you think about sure, I mean not so much for safety play, but special teams. You know, the C. J. Spillman, Danny McCray type of guy that can do special teams. And and you know, like you said, preseason games, um, the hockey kid from TCUs still on the board, the guy they see as a free safety. I know you wave your hand, yeah. And then my guy Jefferson. And Jefferson is one that I when we brought him up,

I mean we liked him at the Senior Bowl. I did. I think that I tried to convince Dane that that he was a really, really good player, and Dane kind of laughed at me. And that's okay. Jefferson, No, I do watch him call it he covers strong. I mean you watch you know, you talk about a guy that could play with a little rain. I mean, that's just me. This is this is where I like him though. I mean, this is we're talking later rounds. This is where I

do like Anthony Jeffers. This is and this is I mean, that's what I'm looking at here is you know, they need they need gunners, they need kick returners, they need kick coverage guys. I still think, which I'm sure Derek Dooley is talking about right now, they could use a receiver to kind of help handle that load because I don't I don't look at Devin Street as a special teams type guy. Um, so that's that's where I'm looking. Focus on specialty. Let's go to the inside there, can't

you get some news force breaking news. The Rams have traded Zach Stacy to the Jets for two twenty four. Okay, so two twenty four is now on the clock and that pick looks like it's going in, so we will see who in fact, uh the uh, the Saint Louis Rams. Saint Louis Rams scene, they've been picking the whole day. Yeah, it's the second day they've just been well, they made that. Um, they made that trade. They make it to the redskin

trade where I didn't know about. No, they made they I think they made a trade with Carolina where Carolina jack sixteen spots. I'm with you, I'm with you, Okay. Bryce Hager is the pick from for the Saint Louis Rams. The inside linebacker Baylor Bear. Some peoplective sick, sick them, but to Texas, his dad was a big Texas All

Southwest Conference player. Lining mac Brown's kicking himself. He didn't offer Bryce Hager more than a walk on opportunity for the long Horns because he went to Baylor and he had a terrific and actually, if you want, he played well against Texas in the game a chip, Yeah, he did have a chip. So yeah, Bryce Hager, the you know here, here's a guy I think in some mock drafts, I thought about putting Bryce Hager as that guy that, you know, that an instinctive kind of a player you

flow to the football. Probably not the best athlete, but you talk about football smarts, intelligent player, all those things you want. There's some times where I thought he was a little bit iffy as a tackler, but the other times, you know, he wasn't one of those guys that dismissed every single tackle. So Bryce Hager, inside linebacker from Baylor goes to the Saint Louis Rams. So we're now to

the Atlanta Falcons at pick two twenty five. Again trying to project some guys that potentially Dallas's first pick are Excuna first pick in the in the round will be at two thirty six. We seem to think that this could be kick returner type guys. We seem to think that maybe could there be a guard there? How about the how about the uh the uh the Mattis kid, I'm saying his name wrong from Florida State. Uh the m A t I A s Oh matthais Yeah, the

guard matais, Yeah, Matais. Yeah. Anything Combine killed him? Yeah, that was what he was. Bad. It was bad. But the film is not terrible. Oh no, it's fourth round films, you know, around the never rounds. But yeah, I think that Combine really put up flares. Teams really worried about, you know, when you jump. Uh what he had like a twenty seven inch vertical or something ridiculous? Yeah, it was. It was not good. You he's I mean, he's a much better athlete on tape than he is. Yeah you

aren't guessing that. Yeah, I'm sorry. Seventeen and a half inch Yeah, oh my god, I think I can do that. Yeah, yeah, all right. Jake Rogers the picks in. Jake Rogers from Eastern Washington is the pick Washington State trans Yeah, Washington State. He is a offensive tackle Eastern Washington. From Eastern Washington transferred from Washington State. I want to pick your brain for a sect. Though you mentioned guard twice. I mean you thinking that's a I mean they got they have

three pretty good ones right now. Is that somewhere where you need to address? I just I was just thinking about preseason games and stuff like that. You know, you're sure you don't want to. You don't want to. I mean, hey, you want to say where and tear on these guys. You don't want, you know, Zach Martin having to play a lot of the draft pick on him though. I mean, well, if it's a guy that you feel like could maybe be a practice squad guy, Martin, you got Martin, you

got Leary, you got mac. Yeah, you feel pretty good about all of them on your fifty s. Sure, but I mean I'm trying to maybe find a developmental guy here. I mean, I'm looking for traits. I'm just trying to find a trait. I know, I don't know. I mean, at the end of the day, we're quibbling. These aren't valuable picks. But well, you never know, I mean, you don't, you don't, you don't. Jay Ratliffe was a seventh round pick. Yeah, Marcus Colson was a seventh round pick. But no, you're right.

I just when you're talking about a guy like that, you know you're set at that position in terms of meaningful player. I was just trying to find guys, and Bill Jones didn't like. He didn't like h Shed, I mean, and I not. Yeah, I disagree with I disagree with Bill on this Shed part because this is crazy. People from the Giants who are gonna announce their their wedding. It's their wedding anniversary or wedding day. They're gonna announce the pick. NFL fans are the best. Can't we pull

this up? The Giants are about to make a pick. We welcome Paul and Jennifer Durrasmo. Guys, who's the Giants pick? With the ninth pick of the seventh round, number two hundred and twenty six overall, the New York Football Giants select Bobby Hart, guard Florida Speed, Florida State. There you go, Bobby Hart, not the one we were talking all right? Ohell, this is again. These people here, they just evidently got married at the draft party and now they're they're announced

to pick. So Bobby our heart's interesting because he's his tape was not impressive at all. But he's at twenty years old. He arrived at Florida State as a sixteen year old. UM. So he's a very young player and teams love that youth. They think they can get the upside. But seeing him on the Giants not something cowboys fans have to worry about. Okay, review, I'd tell you this time. This is time of the day where that you get a little snarky. I think it is that the right

word about these players. I'm just the fact I'm going to die laughing if Curtis Drummond is about to become a cowboy like I won't be able to interview the kid because I'll be last. I've talked to him to or talking to him a few times. He's he's he's awesome. He's a good kid to talk to, so U when we talk about the player, that's what I was talking about. But I think he has the mental toughness where he can take it. I mean he's can he take me

ripping him a little bit? I think so. I mean he's taking in a seventh round for a reason, and so he knows he has to a lot to show up or a lot to prove once he arrives. Martin Effetti Effettie, his younger brother. We'll be talking about maybe next year at this time. Texas A and M offensive tackle. Wow, he's taking over for a boy he at left tackle. He's that you know they seem to have. Yeah, the Matthews right a boo. Now if Eddie's gonna be the next left tackle for the Aggies, and so we're gonna

be talking about him. He almost came out this year as a as a redshirt sophomore. He got a second round grade. But he's going back to school and as a redshirt junior. If he comes out early, could be talking about him as a first rounder. Yeah, Texas A and M seems done a really nice job of recruiting. Sorry with Sherman. Yeah, and someone's kept that going. That's the whole lineman that had come out of that school

in the last four or five years. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, this Uh, the Minnesota Vikings are on the clock here at here in the seventh round, pick two twenty eight. We're working our way down to Dallas's pick, the first pick in the seventh round for them at pick two thirty six. So we were trying to come up with some names of potential potential draft picks. Again, we do we don't want to battle in free agency. And let's remember there we talked about like the top one hundred

and fifty players. Say that, I think every one around the league say, Okay, this guy's gonna get drafted. Then the final one hundred are just trait. It's out of like a list of a thousand names. Yeah, and you know people say, well, how could this guy not be invited to the combine or how did how could you guys not have this guy on your radar. Well, when you're talking about again about the top one hundred and

fifty guys are set in stone as probably draftable. Those next one hundred, the final one hundred draft picks are out of a pool of about a thousand names that these teams have done a lot of work on. And so it's it's impossible to accurately peg who who's which team's gonna take who in the seventh round. But there are some talented players are still available. We've seen some guys just go like rakeem Nunion's roaches. Austin Shepherd, a talented player him he took over for Dj Fluker at

Alabama at right tackle. I think he's probably better inside a guard. So the Vikings, a team that's had a really good draft. They got TJ. Clemings late and they got Austin Shepherd late, two guys to help that offensive line. Again, it's just about you don't want to battle. I mean that they felt like, maybe, okay, let's go ahead. We can't wait to free agency. Let's just who is our highest rated guy on the board at this time, and we don't have to battle for at the end of

the day. I'm skipping ahead here a little bit because obviously we've got two picks to make for the Cowboys. But you've been in that room when it's time to sign the free agents. Though the battle, yeah speak, it seems, doesn't Dallas have a leg up. I mean it's a warm Yeah. Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones is a closer. There's a lot of reasons why I feel like an undrafted free agent would want to come here over somewhere. The biggest and I mean it depends on the depth that Yeah,

there's two words right there. The biggest reason why. Yeah, trust me, these players right now, No, they know the depth charge they pull up whatever, and honestly, they see how the drafts gone. Ry agent. If I'm Curtis Drummond or another prospect, at this point, I'm saying, I hope I don't get drafted, yeah, because then you go, yeah, I will likely have at least a handful of options of where I can go. That way, I can look at the depth charts say, okay, this team might have

a need. Uh, and you really have your choice of where you end up. So is that a first Notre Dame player off the board? That would be Ben Koyak? Is the first Notre Dame or off the board? Talked about him, Dane, you go, he went to the Jacksonville Jaguars. This is a pick they acquired from the Cleveland Browns. So Ben Koyak at pick two, twenty nine, Senior Bowl guy. Again, we talked about the A and M pipeline of tackles,

Notre Dame pipeline of tight ends. Uh. You know guys like Carlson and Rudolph and the first rounder to the Bengals what's his name? Yeah, hasn't really lived up to that first round billing yet coming off he's been injured. Right, we'll see what he does this year. Um and Koyak continues at wasn't the top one hundred guy like the other players we just mentioned, but still a talented player, well rounded. There's nothing too exciting about his film, but

well rounded pass catcher who moved guy? I mean, I I see a lot of wing, a lot of across the formation, a lot of out in the flat. I'm going to separate, but you know he does have some he does have natural hands to compete for compete at the catchpoint. So I think with Koyak, you have a tight end who can compete for snaps. Fasano notre dame guy to another one Dallas's own, well Dallas for a little while at least, yeah, doesn't Bill parslays. Okay, The New Orleans Saints are on the clock at at two

thirty here, so again we're from them. It would be Dallas Cowboys at two thirty six. We've yet to see anything come from the war room cam that's still covered. That's why you're seeing Dane Brugler from CBS Sports David's seventh Round guys calmed down, you can take the paper off. Well, they might be they might be getting their free agency plans together too as well. So good point. But anyway, we're gonna see two picks from them in this round.

As Dane says, though there's some some value still there saints of the talking about the Cowboys going defense. I mean, they took Pete with their first pick, but it's been they took Pete and they took a quarterback, which is always going to move the needle for any team that takes a quarterback. But do we talk about the grace and pet I mean they smoke screen that we thought it was Petty they I thought it was Yeah, I

thought it was Petty. It wasn't just the media. There weren't other NFL teams who were convinced Petty was their guy. So uh, they did a nice job of curveball. And you know, look over here while we do this. And but so, like I said, quarterbacks always gonna move the needle. You take your first pick as an offensive tackle. Every other pick they've made, which is one, two, three, four, five, six, all the six of their other picks or defenders. So Rob Ryan's gotta be a happy game, not gonna lie.

I wasn't a big fan. I haven't been a big fan of the Saints what they're what they're doing. Did you call him a loser in this draft? I hate? I'm sorry, I don't mean that way, right. I mean a team that, a team that because you can't call loser because again, I had a guy telling me he had the worst draft in the history of the league. And then you know, three years later it's a it's for the eight picks man, exactly. And that's so for this article I'm doing for CBS, I'm picking five winners,

five users. Instead of using those uh winners and losers, I'm going with five teams I think did really well, yeah, and then five teams who had me scratching my head a little bit, okay, for different reasons. The losers a strong thing when you talk about and I think the Saints are one of those teams that had me scratching my head a little. I kind of agree with and you know, I'm from New Orleans, but and I don't follow with the Saint. I don't have time if you're

gonna see him next year. I don't love the Pete pick. I don't love the Stefan Anthony pick. I don't like the Garrett Grayson pick because I think it's the same thing as Tony Romo here, you're trying to win. Now, I do really like, um they got PJ. Williams and Kikaha. Yeah, I like both of those picks. Can Rush. I like, he's gonna fit good. The Saints have taken They've made a selection. They've taken Marcus Murphy, a running back from Missouri.

So they grab another offensive player here, uh to help with their uh with things there at the running back situation. They let Peter Thomas go this past springs, which I mean not that you're expecting your seventh round pick two and really catch on, but we'll see. And here is a the next pick. Now this is how about this one for the this pick today, this pick or for overall. This is pick two thirty one. This pick started off originally in Tampa. It's gone. It's from Miami through Baltimore

and Detroit, and now it's back at Tampa. That goes the list of more. Thing is like they made that trade two years ago. It's crazy, you know how something that Yeah, it's a it's crazy how these picks kind of you know, like, how did we even get this thing? Yeah? I thought that that was what the pick was for so so yeah, so this this will be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are on the clock here again. Pick two thirty was made Marcus Murphy from the from Missouri. The

running back goes of the Saints. We're waiting here on pick two thirty one. Uh. They still have names on their board. Uh to draft, even though they to say a phrase from Bill parcels, this looks like a Thanksgiving Day turkey. About two days later, here's it's nothing but bones and skin and interesting question though, and especially given what the Cowboys have done so far? Are there any

guys I can think of one? Are there any guys that took thirty visits that are still on the board, because I mean, by and large, most of their picks so far have been guys that came into Valley Ranch. I don't think Ryan Russell did, No, he did not, but the other ones all did. Yeah, I mean Gregory did Ryan Russell say that he did come to because they worked him out in West Laffe. Yet maybe he might have snug. He might he might have he might

have snow, he might have snuck. What's that kend He came down after Ben Bloom went up there, and I don't think he was an official national visit. He might have been a he might have been a Dallas Day Guallas Day. Yeah, Dallas Day guys, which I mean and you can bring in a lot more of those guys. So that's a different animal. But absolutely, absolutely so. But is there anybody on the board that took a visit like that that's still out there? Well, how about Farmer?

That's that's the one that Yeah, George Farmer from USC would be a guy that we Yeah, I'm kind of I'm I'm keeping an eye on George Farmer right now. He fills the need that they have, and you know he was here, so we've talked. Definitely something worth keeping an eye on. Okay, let's see Tampa Bay still on the clock here waiting for their pick at two thirty one. You make a great point, though, Dave, about like the Dallas Day guys and stuff like that. I mean, it's

I mean, I don't want to call it. I don't want to call it cheating. It's not like they're breaking any rules, but it's such an advantage for the cowboys. And actually Philly tried to get this rule change because you can, I mean, these these local visit days. You can bring in anyone that lives within a hundred miles of your facility. So, I mean, you think about all the talented football players I live in North Texas. That's

I mean. Jaygie was here on Dallas Day and didn't count toward the National thirty visits because it's a Dallas Day product prospect. Even though he might have been one of the top guys on their board, that doesn't count against the tally. And maybe, you know, maybe bringing in Jaygie out as part of Dallas Day allowed them to bring in Damien Wilson instead, you know. So it's a tremendous advantage that that this is such a talent rich area of the country, for sure. Absolutely. And the Buccaneers

have taken running back from Hawaii. Uh, Joey from the University of y I don't know, is that that the first University of Hawaii player that we've had selected? Are I know we had we had a quarterback selected that was in Hawaii. Oh, I thought you were gonna say Timmy Chang. Yeah, Marcus Mariota at the back. And they're showing it. It's great. They're showing a looks like to me, some our favorite City, London, England. Uh, maybe this is gonna be a pick. Let's see who is on the

clock they're gonna make well, maybe not. They're just kind of bouncing around from draft to draft wherever all the cities are. I was hoping Lauren draper Wood was gonna make the pick. Yeah. I was hoping so too. That would have been very nice of her to see. If she's still listening, I shouted her out. Oh she she's listening. I am very These folks are not going to give

up there. They are the toughest. They they they they love their football team, they love all the thing the NFL, and you know, shout out to all of them because we all love them as well, shout out out. So yeah, this will be a This is gonna be the Minnesota Vikings. His pick is from San Francisco through Miami. Uh, it's picked two thirty two. Uh. They were talking Dallas again once again at two thirty six. Uh, it looks like the board from what I've got left, I've got the

whole kid, I think again, probably have him overrated. H as far as where hell Hull Hull, Hull, Mike Hall. Yeah, really tough. I talked to Sean Lee about this kid. I talked to this kid a lot. Okay, Yeah, so it's you know, he Sean's like he couldn't And Sean is very one of those guys when you visit with him about players or former players where he he's very honest about you know, he's talk he talks about this kid about football intelligence. You know, high motor guy, always

around the football. I mean, you watch some of those games he played. This Sean Lee is just a fun guy to talk for. Yeah, but Sean Lee, Yeah, generally just talking football with him is great. And uh so you know he was telling me about this kid, goes, hey, this kid is really really the football intelligence. You know, you see him how he played, and he's right on tape. Uh He's he's one of those guys. And I had him. I had him in the fourth round obviously, and so

you know, I'd like to see somebody select him. But I think you keep an eye on him as a player if he doesn't get select and goes to a team one day, you know, watch this kid, uh Hall from Penn State. So um to Penn State. Come to Penn State. Remember that commercial from a while ago. But Joe was a deal is Joe Paternoore was like the Big ten, the Big Tig ten commercials. He's like, yeah,

I love that commercial. Yeah. Okay, Berry player drafted. Yeah, linebacker Edmund Robins Evan, do you know much about emand Robinson? First Newberry player drafted since nineteen seventy four. Okay, here we go. We got room, we got war room. Jerry's back. See, everybody's over conjugated by the board, by the over two. As you look at the screen over to the right side of the screen where Stephen Jones and Tom Saskowski are standing, it looks like to me, you got Derek

Dooley's now in the room. So Derek Dooley is bringing on my dude. Here we go, Derek Dooley, I guarantee you right now, he is trying to figure out between Lewis McBride, Whitehead Farmer. He wants one of those guys they're trying and maybe even go back to back here he's trying to he's trying to get Will McClay standing in the background, hands in pockets. He's kind of They're just like, all right, Derek, calm down, we're gonna get your receiver. Just don't kill us. Yeah. Tom Saskowski over

there to the right as well. So again, Edmund Robinson, you talked about new bra I'm sorry I interrupt you there. When I saw the warm camps go in no a small school player and you just look at him. He just he's physically impressive six two and a half to forty five, thirty four inch arms, four six one forty yard dash, So I think he checks a lot of boxes, physically very range player, but he's still just scratching the

surface of who he's going to be down the road. Um, Niedzo do a better job working off blocks, Yeah, using that funk that length to be functional length and using his hands well to get off blocks. Ya. Y'all got an opinion on de Andrew White Alabama Alabama. I thought, you know, with obviously with Amari Cooper getting so much attention,

you're going to get some looks. And I thought the Andrew White did a nice job as the second receiver for UH for the Tide a player that you know, he ran better at his pro day than I thought he played. But he has a few more drops than you'd like to see, but his catches, his highlights are their highlights. I mean, he makes some impressive catches playing opposite opposite Cooper, so I gave him a draft Bill

grade as a later round guy. Um and at this point, wouldn't shock me if they go that direction between between the five of us here that did mocks on on Thursday morning for DC dot com. Uh, Brian took Lucky y'all took Lucky Whitehead. Brian took one. I mean one took him to thirty six and one took him to forty three. I took George Farmer and Rob Phillips took the Andrew White So kind of like our odds of

hitting on one of these guys. My pick of two forty four was the guy the Patriots took at sixty four. I had Damian Yeah, Nick had JJ Nelson coming off the board last, and he's been gone for a while now. Um See, the Buffalo Bills just took a wide receiver that Dane. I didn't even I didn't even realize Dane hit on Damian Wilson. Wait, you had him in the fifth. They took him in the fourth. Still, good job. I mean Bryan hit on Gregory Jazz Green, Dane hit on

and Wilson. Yes, it was I giving you grief a little bit. I hit on deserve a little grief. Yeah, we all do. We all deserve a little grief. You know, when you're a draft expert, you gotta be a draft expert. Right, there's no such thing as Nick Nick Knicks mock draft is just oh so close. He had Shack Thompson, which could have been could have very well been the pick. Yet he had David Johnson, which I think would have

been in consideration if he had lasted. And um and Frank Clark, who obviously the Seahawks took him a lot higher than the Cowboys might have. Yeah. Well, we talked about the receivers too, and now and and oh and and and Rob excuse me, Rob Phillips hit on Byron Jones that on that on the nail with the number one, and that's what you gotta do. Gott hit him that first one. Okay. We talked about Buffalo took Uh took Desmond Lewis Uh, the wide receiver from Central Arkansas. Great field,

by the way, that was the guy. That's yeah, that's the guy with They had the field. It has every five yards, it's a purple a purple or a guy. I mean, it's really really make me nauseous. It's it can It's not as bad as the red turf up at East. How do they allow that? Yeah? Or the blue turft Uh, that's yeah, the blue is at least the blue is kind of iconic. Desmond Lewis is the perfect seventh round pick. Yeah, I think, guy, you thought maybe in the middle rounds, he's available in the seventh

take a chance on the player. The film's not bad, I mean, yeah, exactly, and you love you look at I mean six four, two fifteen. He's built well, yeah, has some room to even get bigger and fill out. The production is there at Central Arkansas he finished with almost two hundred catches. He was there starting ex receiver and a guy that needs him polish. But at the same time, the foundation traits are there, and so we talk about the traits. It's there with him. Love is

catching radius. I think that's a big part of his game and something that will help him develop into something more than just a lowly seventh round pick. Well, the Houston Texans are currently on the clock at two thirty five, about a minute left with their selection, you know, and

then Dallas will go on the clock. They're having this discussion right now when you have picks that are pretty close to each other, which direction, who is most Like I've been in these conversations before, who is the guy that's most likely to be there? And they if they could, if they could stretch it to that last pick. So they're trying to agree here who they need to take first and then who they need to take second. Derek Dooley has, in fact sitting down at the table. I

think I think it's gonna be farmer. I'm only saying that because I mocked him and I wanted to happen. But I just just got a question about um Nick Marshall, the Auburn quarterback, that I'm surprised that he is still available. We talk about the traits, you know, seventh round is it bad and the senior ball playing some corner players has no idea what he's doing. You threw them out there.

I mean, that's that's that's what we're talking about in the seventh round, the developmental type that maybe you take a chance on. You know, it's low risk, possible, high reward. Yeah, surprise he's still available. Yeah, that's that that is as a case, you're absolutely right about the now Matt. Now Matt has joined the Fray. So now you're wait a second, No, no, stop with the receiver talk get more back. Okay the Cowboys,

will you get out of here? The Cowboys are officially on the Clyde Houston made their selection, yet I don't don't see a name. Yeah, I think we need to wait Houston. It might be out on the Twitter sphere somewhere. Yeah, you need to figure this out. And but if Houston in factors make it their pick, that would put Dallas on the clock. Okay, the picks in. So if the picks in, then Dallas will be on the clock. Uh.

And let's see who the Houston Texans in fact grabbed. Okay, it looks like they're gonna take Kenny Hilliard are running back from bump. There we go. Surprise you went ahead of John Nelson in Liverpool's happy too, because he likes when LSU players get drafted as well. I don't know. I think I like. I think Kenny's got more upside than McGee. Although I could see McGee being a really good special teams player, I can't see that they were both guys Dallas. I'm pretty surprise either one of the

Dallas is now on the clock. Boys, you got a selection here you want to talk about I already threw my hat in the ring for Georgie. Okay, this is gonna be picked two thirty six. This is the first I mean we got We have two position coaches in the rooms. So you got a linebacker coach and a receivers coach talking Lucky Whitehead, I mean, okay, Thompson scouts. He's gone onto the phone, so let's see what we've got here. Build a creaker in the back. He's a

scout that there's working on free agents. You could tell that list that he has in hand. They're working on. They're trying to make sure that they and the phone goes across to Jerry Jones. But like I said, Billy the craker as a scout and he's working with one of the coaches. The scouts are signed to one of the coaches to work in free agency to help recruit these players. So uh, let's see who in fact that they do select here. Uh, you know they could they

they've gone defense the whole time. I mean defense, what I I mean we're talking we're quibbling here over seventh round picks. But go get this. Go get your kick returner, guy, go get your receiver. Well, they might, like I say, it might be a situation where they go one over the up. I mean they no, no, yeah, I mean you got trying to figure out but they're trying to figure out where there's more likely to last. Yeah, who's

more likely to last? So that with the with the picks back to act like that, Uh, you know you need to you need to figure this out and and and say, Okay, which guy's more likely to be there than than not? So shout out Jason Garrett for rocking a code and tie all the way through this marathon. Brian, you're wearing a tie. Good for you. Yeah, well, I've got to do some TV stuff. Okay, the picks in for the Dallas Cowboys, and let's see who in fact,

oh oh, we have talked about. Yeah, the linebacker from my from Wyoming is in fact the selection here. All right, help me on this name Dane. It rhymes with gotcha. Okay, so that doesn't help much, doesn't Yeah? Yeah, in silent, I believe on this day because you got all the things. I'm pretty sure it's Mark Mark Zacha. Yeah. Well, well it rhymes with gotcha. I know that. Yeah, well, I know you do all your stuff for your for your

book and stuff like that. So right, Well, and he was a player that I gave a p F A grade to. Uh. He's athletic towards ACL. I got the pronunciation for us okayza. That sounds right in Zachai. So he towards ACL in twenty fourteen or twenty twenty fourteen. Yeah, San vers San Jose State, And I'm looking over my notes on the player against Michigan State. Aggressively takes on blocks. A good athlete with range speed in pursuit, too often find himselfs stuck in the middle of the field, worry

about his anticipation, takes himself out of some plays. Uh struggles to see every blocker, which impedes him in the middle of the field. Needs to improve his spatial awareness. Um. Sometimes he looks like he's playing two in touch. But an overall a very good athlete, and I think that's why he was drafted here and why you feel good about him on special teams. I felt like, though, that this guy could flow to the ball. I thought he can avoid blocks, play down hill quickly, nose for the ball,

needs to be on the move. Again, there's times when he got hooked up. This guy runs four five six, you know, but he's six two athlete. Yea, yeah, he's he's six two, two hundred and thirty two pounds after to chase his outside place with some balance when going down the line. Trouble when he gets hooked up. I think Dane saw that as well. He could change the direction, take the back out of the backfield. So that's some of the coverage things I was able to see. Puts

himself in position to cover. I think one time I ran there was a wheel route that went up the sidelines and he was able to run with This guy. Watched the Michigan State game in the Oregon game, so I watched two teams that have guy, I mean the guys that can get especially Oregon going up field. I said, I like the way he flies to the ball, plays with pace and quickness. It could see him being a core special teamer and a backup will linebacker, was what

I thought about this guy. Basachi was in there, so yeah, this is what they're doing in Zacha right in Zacha, is what this mark in Zacha linebacker from Wyoming my Sky report. Again, Dane had his as well. Dane's right. He had an ACL tear in the seventh game of the twenty fourteen se San Jose. Yeah, when we when I mean and again we know too is the same. But when when do we make that timetable? Then? Yeah, that's a question that needs to be asked. It doesn't

sound like a guy who can take the field. Yeah, well maybe if we if we get a chance to interview him here and then you know, and and and uh and see how that is uh coming forward. But now kay, they've got another pick uh coming up here. They took with us sounded what I feel like as a backup will linebacker and special teams guy. Again, you're looking for traits. Dany talks about a guy that can run. I see that their activity this this afternoon does not

make you feel good for Cameron Lawrence, does it. No, it really hasn't. It really hasn't. So you know, he kind of I mean, he was kind of that guy. You know, he's your he's your last ditch depth at linebacker and all obviously a special teams guy. Uh. And they have drafted two guys that kind of fit that description. Today, so many linebackers. Oh my gosh, I think there's fourteen on the roster now, it's it's it's going to be

a free for all when we get out to Hawksnard. Well, that's you know, it's again it's about now trying to help your special teams out and this this type of pick is a value pick because he wasn't even able to work out prior to the draft, and so you're going based off a tape. Did we mock him at one point when they're like the second mock? I think I think I hadn't. Think we've definitely talked about him. Yeah, they're showing some highlights right now. He can play. He's rangy.

You see him play all over the field. I think he does aggressively take on blocks, but I do worry about him necessarily seeing the blocks. I thought he had to go on the move. I like what you're talking about it again. Yeah, when you're talking about, you know, being on being on the move and all that, I I agree with you on that. I do agree. I think that you know, you you talk about taking on and stuff like that, you would have told me I didn't even really Okay, uh in Za he's reading this

on Twitter. He's also from Germany. Yes, okay, okay, so it's very nice, interesting on several levels. Okay. The Cincinnati Bengals, they just at two twenty or two two thirty eight. They took West Virginia wide receiver Mario Alford. We talked about him earlier, had more touchdowns this year, thank Kevin White. A little overshadowed by White, but he can fly. He can be a deep threat. Uh, smaller than you'd want. The catching radius is smaller, but uh, you got to

catch him first. And so with Alford, I think you have a pretty good player. Bengals got excellent value there. Make more picks before Dallas. Dallas is down. Yeah, we're two. We're at two thirty nine here Pittsburgh Dallas is sitting at two forty three. So again, how how did they how they played this board? Had they gone they said, Okay, who's the guy that's most likely to be there, who's the guy that's most likely not to be there? I evidently thought that Mark Zacha would be in Zach's gonna

be gonna drill this into you. I know Inzaza would be would be the guy. So you know that there's some interesting linebacker name still on the board with guys like Mike Hole and Taiwan Jones. Is he still out there in Michigan? Stay? Yeah, Tiwan Jones, I get you say, and then you trail. We talked about trail. I think the way that Derek well, Derek Dooley is now out of the room as actually Derek on second thought, please please leave. Yeah, we don't need you here. There's not

going to be a receiver pick. Yeah, he could still be there. For all we know, we can really only see so much of the world. I wouldn't be surprised though, if this is okay, oh fine, here we go. Uh with the Steelers on the clock, let's see the picks in and I think that let's see who it's gonna be on the phone here. Yeah, we're on the phone. Yeah, exactly what Adam Kaplan is reporting that in Zacha had to work out last week, so he was able to work out draft right four five to forty yard dashed

to eleven broad jump. So good a player where the measurables look good, the testing looks good. Guess I mean if he tour his ACL in October. That means it's been about seven months, which I mean you're talking about eight to nine for an ACL. So who knows. All Right, the Steelers have selected Drout Holloman, the man who I like to call the coward of this draft, and I think, but he's an NFL player now, so I shouldn't probably call him that anymore. Pittsburgh Pittsburgh did the NFL was

too hand touched. He would be an all pro. Yeah, you know that. That's something really If you take one thing away from our coverage this weekend, it's that Brian and Dane don't like Holloman. Well, it's allergic to tackling, That's what I'm saying. Though. The problem, the problem I run into is initially this guy started off his first round. Everybody had him in the first round, had him if they saw the interception. Yeah, And that's what I'm saying.

When you it's more than just going and being in the right place at the right time catching the tip ball. It's much more than that. This kid turned down tackles. Hey, and it made a business decision. How many picks did he have? Fourteen? Yeah, And let's so that everybody's on the phone here in the war room. I wonder going on. Yeah, they're all talking to guys that wonder if somebody's trying to give again next year's picks to be to for

this for their pick. They're they're now laughing, They're gonna stand in there and make picks. You guys are just flipping them stuff just to have some fun here. But the Detroit Lions are now on the clock. Uh. And then and then you've got the Arizona Cardinals, the Carolina Panthers, and then your Dallas Cowboys. Uh, to finish out this round. Are just going to finish out the round with the Cowboys.

And then it becomes we still got a lot of picks. Yeah, we got When the Cowboys make their pick, I'm probably gonna go help everybody. Well, Dana and I will, guys finish it out. We'll put this thing to bed and kind of do all those things that we have to do. So um or actually, do we know if Zacho or the other like, are we getting them on the air. I don't, I don't know. I don't get that impression. Okay, okay, yeah, is he coming to us after that? He's on the

air right now. Oh, okay, Mark, Mark, Yeah, Hey, how's it going? All right? That'll work? Hey, Mark, This Brian broad Us, Dame Burglar, and David Hellman. Welcome to uh we we're covering the draft here. It's been kind of like a chaotic right now here at the Valley Ranch. But congratulations on your selection to the day else cow Wis. You've got to be really excited about the opportunity, uh to come here and to and to play in a scheme that really fits the type of player you were

at at Wyoming. Yeah, sir, Yeah, definitely. First of all, I appreciate it, thanks uh having me on. Uh Yeah, super excited. I think that's a great fit for me. Like you said, yeah, I can't wait to go to work. Mark, I gotta hit you with a hard hitting question here right off the bat. Does how does a guy from Germany wind up in Laramie, Wyoming. I'm curious? I see, UH started playing over in Germany. I only came over here four years ago. So I started playing call um

football in America only four years ago. So um I got the connection going with a former teammate who also he was from Germany. He played at Wyoming through a former culture his and yeah, he got the connection going with the coaches for me. Showed him my tape and everything, and they really like what they saw. And yeah, I took that opportunity. And Mark, obviously it's tough to suffer

an injury like you did your senior year. Talk about uh, you know, overcoming that obstacle and you know, doing enough during your your the pre draft process to convince teams that you know you're worth taking chance on. Um. You know, obviously it was a tough situation, you know, but I did have a like starting support system, you know, Karent taught me all, you know, as well as my girlfriend, you know, the team, you know, a team as well.

So um, it was definitely, uh, very disappointed when it happened, but you know I do, like you know, with the help of them. Um, I fought through that adversity, you know, and you know came back, uh you know, fairly ahead of schedule, and you know, like you said, to do enough to get picked up at accomplice, Mark, you came. You're one of the visits that came to Doubt, So you got to come here and see the coaches and

all that meat. Can you talk about the you know, the opportunity to sit down with Matt even Flus and then with Rod and Marnelli and all them, and and just some of the discussions that they had with you and how they see your role you know now that

you're you're with the Dallas Cowboys. I mean the first of all, you know, Dallas is a great organization, you know, and so I had great conversation with like from Jerry Jones, um with as well as the other had coach the other coaches and coach uh right, definitely Uh told me that I'll hit that system great, you know after watching some FilmOn them, I believe I do. You know, they're very like speed oriented, you know, that's what I you know, mode my game after as well as you know, I

talked to the SCUTCHI teams coordinated as well. Yeah, and uh that's definitely a big aspect of my game as well. You know. Just um that's definitely something I take Friday. So just from that that aspect, you know, off it's really rel Mark, just one more before we let you go. But I think we've I think we got to handle on it. But no better person to hear it from

than you can. We get a pronunciation on your last name, just for for Cowboys fans to get your there we go, all right, you heard it straight from him, real good well type promise you, we'll do, We'll be, we'll be. We will spread the word for you here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. We'll spread the word for you on that on your last name, so everybody will have you, right. I promise you one thing about this city. You come

in here and make a bunch of plays. They will they will learn your name very quickly, and then you will see your last name on the back of jerseys of the fans. How about that. Oh okay, thank you very much, Thanks, thank you, Mark, appreciate you all right. Mark Zacha from the from Ursia, Wyoming. He is the Zacha from the from the I told you, I'll eventually, I'll learn it one day, work on it. I got you. We work on okay. So it was very nice to

hear him. He talked about special team stuff. I think that's what you have to look at him his as well. Uh and for him uh to come here and be a part of what they're doing here with the Dallas Skyway. So uh, let's see here we're looking once again in the war room. Uh, the I just want to point out a pick, uh two forty one. The talk about names, Dane, you're great at names. Our lad from uh Oregon was

selected here at the cornerback. Yes he was good for him by the Arizona, by the by the Arizona for heaving. Actually he was selected by the Cleveland Browns. My bad. Oh wow, great, that's I mean, we talk about how heartbreaking is for some of these players. Um, for Efo Ariola, that's great that he's uh, he's able to be a draft pick, someone that would have been a first round pick most likely if not for the ACL injury, the

knee issue that he's suffered before the Rose Bowl. Um, you see him has the cover technique that you want, the fluidity. Uh, he can fit as a nickel complained on the outside. You think he might even be able to play some safety. And so the big thing for him now is coming back from that injury working back onto the field. Probably takes a redshirt season this year as a as a rookie in the NFL. But in

the seventh round, why not take him. See if you can develop him, see if you can get that knee right, and see if it pays off for the Cleveland Browns. Okay, the pick is that, Well, it looks like to me that the Cowboys are on the clock right now at two forty three, So let's in fact and see what's going on. The picks that happened ahead of them would be the Oakland Raiders taking Dexter McDonald, the defensive back from Kansas, and then that would now mean that the

Dallas Cowboys are in fact on the clock. That pick from the Raiders was actually made from Carolina, so they are on the clock. It will see how that all plays out. But it looks like to me we're very much into the Cowboys trying to slick guys with some traits. You know, could they go uh offensive lineman here. I mean we've talked about We've talked about receivers, We've talked about a lot of it. I mean, he's I think the offensive linemen are the hardest to find. I think

that's the hardest group to to try. And do you know when you started talking about battling and free agency, I think somebody brought that up, you know, I think that one of us was talking about do you want to you want to battle somebody else? In free agency for an offensive lineman, and you know, may I don't know receiver, offensive line. We talked about linebacker, We talked about running back. You know who would that be? Is there anybody that you particularly like that's left at any

of these positions? I talked about Shed. Uh, you know, Gibson was a guy that I mean. I mean, I'm looking at my board right now, Guys, I've evaluated rawls, Shed Gibson. Whitehead speaking of Gibson, Oh he just okay, Hey, our seventh rone mock Gibson had We had that in our seventh round. Mack, there we go. I was set on it being farmer because I wanted to be right. Oh well, there we go. I didn't. I just was

naming off names and all of a sudden, he goes up. Gibson, a offensive tackle from Virginia Tech, is the seventh round selection at pick two forty three value here in the seventh absolutely only started nineteen games over his career, but a player that you think his best football's ahead of him. He's gonna get better and better. H You see the coordination, You see his ability as both a pass protector and as a run blocker. He does a nice job with angles.

He has range, and I think it's where where he got his opportunity. That's when he stepped up as a senior, got a chance to be the starting left tackle, started all thirteen games. Now, I think he does need time, he needs to work on his fundamentals, the functional power. But to me, I graded him as a practice squad candidate who you know, has some upside. I think he's probably a little a little bit more than that. He has a twenty four year old he's a little bit

older than you want. But Lawrence Gibson nonetheless a good pick here. Can he play guard? Maybe? Maybe you know it's tough when you haven't seen him play. I'm not sure if they worked him out of guard or not. But only play tackle in college right tackle as a junior, left tackle as a senior. So he does a nice job. Again the coordination, Yeah, shuffle square, I mean, so you know, I think he could possibly do that. Yeah. I said this though, Dan and I totally agree with that. I

said the position to stay in from his man. But I thought he lacked some upper body power, you know, and that's you know, and then function. But he can hold the whole guys in place. I think he had a little over extended at time. Very good with switch technique, stuff like that. He was aware the feet to get outside, initial quickness, you know, reach hook. Those are the things

he can do. Can pull, get to the outside, come off the ball with some pop, stays with the blocks the outside, works to finish, you know, these are all trades. I saw that him going forward. I think that they said we'll get a little trouble in his set when his feet get too wide, and then that's what becomes a little bit over exten He has to be careful not to allow the man to get to his chest, but could quickly adjust on the move, nice slattle quickness.

Wouldn't say he has great body control, but you don't see him on the ground. So and that would be Laurence Gibson's six six three h five five six six Yeah, well even more impressive over thirty five in charms too. Yeah, he can yeah, get get that extension and think what you're talking about with the past sets. You did see that with his eyes. I think I thought his eyes were all over the place at times. He needs to know learn some discipline there. But his first three seasons

in Virginia Tech only twenty seven offensive snaps. So we're talking about a late bloomer. Played half the year last year as a junior, and then it was a starting left tackle as a senior. So a late bloomer didn't see a ton of time, only twenty seven combined snaps his first three seasons. But when he did find the field, he showed it some impressive flashes. You know, if we

watched his highlight tape, you can put together some impressive plays. Yeah, and again I said it earlier about you know, you don't want to you don't want to find ways to uh, you know, guys like see you're looking at the trades. Stephen Jones is on the phone now, and and and the only reason I bring this up is I wonder if they're trying to get back into this round. I wonder if they're trying to flip a next year's, say, sixth round pick. Maybe they're just ordering some pizza, because well,

they're looking. They're looking right now. Steven's looking back at the board and Todd Williams is standing to his left. Uh, they're trying to figure out a way. There is somebody they have in mind on that board that they would like to try and get. Uh. Frank Pollock steps in thanking Jason Garrett for Hey, I'll coach that kid up. He's got two ready. Let's look at preseason games. Talk about that, you got Green and then you've also know I mean, you know in Green and then also Gibson.

You know, two guys that you'll see a lot in the preseason games in the second half. You know, those young guys. You can't have enough of those young guys you want to develop right there. So he's an older guy because he did go to Hardgrave Mill Terry Academy out of high school. That he went to Virginia Tech red shirt his first year, didn't see the field as a freshman or sophomore except just a few snaps, and then a junior year part time player, and then as

senior full time starter at left tackle. Can I share my fun stat with y'all? Sure? Since drafting Mark Nizacha uh in Zacha Nizacha doesn't matter Inza, Cowboys have in addition to it out irritat. In addition to however many Americans, the Cowboys now have a German, a British Dutch international, and a Canadian talking three three foreign nationalities on the roster, a international team, not just Americans, world team world. McBride just came off the board of the Titans. Yeah, good

to see that. Yeah. So the let's see the two Canadians. I forgot about LP Latiser, LP Lattiser. Did someone just make a mention to that as you as you did that wrongly? Okay, we look at the the let's see here this, Uh, the Colts had a pick at two forty four after Dallas pick, but that then they sent that pick to San Francisco. Uh, so that would be Trenton Brown, would be uh, the tackle from Florida would be that selection. And then after that you said the

Tennessee Titans. Uh it took uh William and Mary's Trey McBride. So that's where we are right now with the with the draft, as we're winding down, getting into the level where you have compensatory picks, and those compensatory picks can't be traded. So what you're talking about is like Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones, guys like that, if they're diving on the phone right now to try and make something happen, they're running out of picks. In fact, to make that to

get that done. Like, I'm sorry, I'm not to trivialize the hard work of running a draft board, but when you're this close to the end of the draft, is it really worth giving something up if there's a player you don't want to fight for in free agency? Yes, yes it is if you're better off draft of the guy next year six. Yeah, I know, well you just get You gave next year six to get Rolando McClain, which Lando mcclin was a top ten talent. There might be had a drastic, drastic knee. There might be a

guy that they like. They might if you didn't like him enough to take him at two forty three, two hundred and forty three. Dallas is on the clock. As soon as I'll say it. Dallas is on the clock now here at two forty six. And let's see, they might have somebody in mind that the pick is in. Uh, let's see who in fact this might be. They must have gave up something on their board for for next year to get this done. Let's see if the when the name comes up, I'm waiting. Cowboys have traded Zach

martin Cleveland in exchange for a seventh round pick. Could this be maybe Lucky Whitehead? Could this be uh that receiver? I mean that it could be Jeff Swamp the University of Texas. Wow, you know Jeff Swamp. I know he's a tight end. I was overly impressed, but hey, Jeff Swamp apparently see something in him. I can honestly say Jeff Swamp is not a guy that I have evaluated myself.

So Dallas evidently gave up a pick in next year's draft for the opportunity to grab Jeff Swam at W S W A. I M. Whatever you say, guys, Jeff Swam, whatever you say, did you hear my notes on Jeff Swamp? Okay, inline backfield and there now and that would be they're officially out of business now now that ends the fight? Yeah, yeah, finish the fight. Athletic body control, Uh can make acrobat catches. He had a nice catch against West Virginia when the back of the end zone attacks it with his hands,

kept his feet in bounds. Needs to work on his doing a better job blocking in space, a little too methodical and needs to just smash U. So it sounds like with with Swam a better uh better receiver than blocker at this point. But apparently they saw enough in him to go and get them. Yeah, they sure did. Well, what were the meashables you had on him, Dane, let me look that up. Okay, And while you do that, we the draft was but that was picked two forty six.

That was a pick San Francisco from Indianapolis. So Dallas, oh, San Francisco. Something in next year's is not more than the seventh round pick. Although, and this is an easy pick to crack a joke about, you know, tight end,

What are you doing with the tight end? They always draft tight end sixty four out and a half six four six four three okay, a six four and a half fifty two okay, four seven one forty yard dash okay, thirty five and thirty five and a half inch for ten to four broad, four five eight twenty yards shuttle and a seven two eight three cone. Okay. That was all. The Pro day was not a combine invite. Yeah, number eighty two for the longhornsh No. But what I was

gonna say is it. I mean, tight end is like a bug a boo position for Cowboys fans because of how poorly it has worked out in previous drafts. But you know, James Hannah is about going to be a free agent at this time next year, he might not be on this team. And he's one of those guys we talked about earlier. His value does not show up on the stat sheet, So this makes sense and obvious.

You know, Gavin Escobar, whatever he brings to the table, it's certainly not as a blocking tight end, the guy who can help you in the run game and in special teams and all that type of stuff. So it is it is a pick that that you can certainly

justify in terms of looking ahead. Of course, he's got a In two years at Texas, he had thirteen catches, so and that's why you know a lot of people are a little surprised by this because he didn't see him a lot and it doesn't have the production he actually she started twenty two games, had thirteen catches, so eight more starts than he had catches in his career to only two years. Was a juco transfer for this team. As long as Jason Witten's here, I'm not looking for

anybody else to be a pass catching tight end. I mean, James Hannah probably had Escobar. Is he doing it a lot. Well, no, I mean, I mean he's a young guy. No, I still have hope that Escobar can become something more. But I mean what it was his final tally last year was like one hundred and fifty yards, sixty five of those coming in one game against the Giants. It's funny, though, he's one of those guys. So if you always look at his catches have always been big catches. He's a

great red zone target. Yeah. Honestly, much like Lance Dunbar, I put Gavin Escobar's lack of showing up more on the coaching staff than on him. Yeah, I don't think he's really getting the opportunity to. I mean, we saw what you could do against the Giants. Three catches, sixty

five yards, two touchdowns. He told them. It's interesting, any I mean, this isn't about Gavin Escobar though, but I do think, you know, Jane, whatever becomes of James Hannah, I won't be surprised if he moves on, maybe to find a better opportunity because somebody's willing to give them more money. Um. So this is this is something to think about. This is a pick for the future and training camp and keeping your guys fresh and it's into

that good blocking stuff. It's interesting because these two you talk about, and Zacha and Swam two players that tested really well. Yeah, the production's not there, there's not a lot, you know, a ton of tape um, you know, but they tested really well. And so I think that's that's an interesting thing we're seeing here late cowboys opting for guys that that you know, tested well. The numbers look good, and that's why you drafted them over what they showed

on tape. Yeah, so we're now into Atlanta will have the last pick that can be traded, and then it becomes the compensatory phase where the Dallas Cowboys hope next year will have maybe some compensatory picks, you know, probably a seventh round or two, but hopefully more third, fourth round variety. Maybe that's why you make it trade, knowing that they've got some compensatory picks. If they give up a six round pick next year, maybe that's something that

they're thinking about in the future. I mean, at the end of the it's not something worth getting been out of shape four, but it's certainly just you know, when you consider I mean, where was that pick that pick came in that pick was at two forty six, two four, one, two, three, four, five six, ten picks away from the end of the entire draft. Right, it seems a little silly that you have to make a trade to get that guy. But maybe they don't want to battle, and that's fine, that's fine.

They get paid a lot more money than I do, to know a lot more than I do, so I'm gonna trust their judgment. But on the outside it it doesn't. It seems a little silly to me. But that's okay. Well, you just again, you don't want to fight, I know you. I mean, they might have it. They you know, they might have a deal where you know, they were in ten of getting this guy in free agency, and then all of a sudden it became, well, hey, how many

how many teams are calling yet? Would it be I've talked to the Jets, talk to the Buccaneers, have talked to the Rams, and all of a sudden, You're like, wait a minute, this guy's talking to one hundred teams. If he's a blocking tight end and he went to Texas, shouldn't be that hard for a power run team from Dallas to get him to come up the road. No, you'd be surprised. Yeah, I know you'd be surprised. Rather, that's I keep I keep saying that to Seattle or

but you also look at the situation. I mean, you gotta sell it too, you gotta say, just did sell it. It's right up the road, and they like to run the ball. NFC East approval rating right now, what's up Cowboys seventy seven percent approval rate? Oh well, the Giants are higher. But yeah, that's okay. But the giants get them. They're so high on flowers, flowers and um, they got oh diggy diggy, DIGGI diggy o digg oh diggie, you're so fine. No, it's the Vikings. And then just looking

at the highest in the NFC. Uh in the Vikings at Trey Wayne. They're one of my quote unquote winners. Who else did they get? They got Dane him. You're getting the losers, right, I mean to what you would call the Saints and Saints and the Panthers, the two of my quote unquote losers and the other two looking like San Francisco and Saint Louis. So it's I love the instant reaction though, like we don't know nobody knows. Oh, I told you my story. I've told you one hundred times.

You have. You've told me all your stories on hundred times, and you love every one of them. I love a few of them. You told me one. What's your favorite story? I tell you? Oh, God, I don't know. Is it clean? One? Uh? I'm trying to think. What's my favorite? My favorite the one about Stephen lunging across the table. WI. Yeah, it's pretty good. That was during the draft. The Peter King's story is pretty damn funny. Peter King. Peter King fell

asleep and the I'll tell the story real quick. Peter King, he comes in, he's scouting us, he's checking out what it's like being a scout. So he's sitting in the draft room. Will we have really a nice place that serves great food here named Eddie Dean And I hope I'm not get in trouble for saying that, But Eddie Dean they bring this this big feast, and so Peter loads up on the the food. He comes in the draft room and immediately falls asleep. Like the lights are

off and the cape is running and all that. And we're sitting there evaluating and and everybody knows that Peter's asleep, and so Jerry Jones, h lights come on and Peter, Jerry goes, Peter, what do you think about that player? He goes Jerry. I I can't tell anything about the player, but you got a damn good lunch here. So that's my Peter King's story for the day. But yeah, Peter was a lot of a lot of things that go

on in the good old my story. I'm old, I'm old, You've got you've got a few that are worth hearing over and over again. I appreciate that's very kind of you. Uh, as we close this thing out or getting you know, we're out the compensatory phases of are we gonna get Lawrence Gibson on the flat about five minutes as well? Yeah, so as soon as kid's gonna cue me up on that. But you know, we talk about the next three picks or Denver, Denver, Denver. So they're lining them all up.

Hope they make them all at once, come on, Denver. But uh, just impressions of you know, and we're we're a Dallas cowboy. I just want to put it, put a little bit of a bow on this and maybe I should do this at the end when we get done completely with the draft, but just what we've experienced in the draft shows, and then going through all the things and and then at the end with the Cowboys and stuff like that, and what they've done in the last three days. It's kind of ironic because they just

traded up. They gave away a sixth round pick to get up and get it. They gave up something. Yeah, I think I read that it was a six Maybe it's not. Okay, they gave up something to go up and get this guy. Yeah, which is kind of ironic because I think the story of this draft has just been uh, is this Malcolm Brown? No, No, this is uh, this is the tech the Texas tied end. This is who Okay, Yeah, okay, there you go. They're gonna flip him doing bad radio here when we're talking about one

of his thirteen catches. That's all right, looks athletic. I need to I need to sit down. And he's gonna need a new number. Yeah, he's wearing eighty two in this film. For those of you who aren't watching, that was the touchdown I was talking about it against West Virginia. Yeah, back of the end zone. It's it's funny is they traded up to get him, and which I mean, it's not a backbreaking trade. But the story of this draft has been just sitting put and letting you know the

pryers come to you. I mean, we sweated through to twenty seven and got a great guy, and Byron Jones, they sweated through all the way to sixty and got one of the most intriguing talents in the entire draft. And Gregory, you play it cool. You don't reach for a running back or grab a running back or anything

like that. And I mean, you know, the early report on Chaz Green is that he can be the swing tackle right away or maybe even play right tackle if something happens to Doug Free, which is I mean, that's what you want in a third round pick, is preferably a guy who you can plug right in. So I mean, I think all spring we talked about how late these picks were, you know, and how hard it was going to be to get the guys you wanted at the end of the round. But they certainly seem to make

it work all the way through. Wouldn't you say, Yeah, I think the Dane go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead with your your thoughts on this well from the Cowboys, think what we're gonna hear the most about is the running back you know obviously, and that's I was going to get to that too. Every every every pick came and went no running back. And I think that's going to be the lasting impression for a lot of fans.

And what's going to command the talk? Um, you know, on the outside looking in the running back position, you know what's what's it looked like moving forward? Will they pick anyone up? And as a priority free agent any of these running backs side or left? Maybe a Thomas Rawls that we've talked about one guys, um, But it tells you that they they stuck to their board and they didn't draft a running back necessarily over a player they had rated higher and talked about. In the third round. Uh,

there was a first what three or four picks. Every single one of those picks was a top player on their board at that time. So you know it's uh time will tell if if it if it works out, and obviously they believe in this offensive line. Is this draft made, They're going to be made or broken by the pick with at sixty with Randy Gregory. I think it's easy to say that because that's going to receive a lot of the attention. I think that perception will be that. But I mean, I think it always starts

and ends with your first round pick. I it does. I mean, but Byron Jones is twenty seven. Overall, you didn't move to get him. In a lot of ways, we traded up to get a corner. Yeah, I mean, this isn't Mo Clayborne where you gave up valuable picks to go get your guy. You're at the end of the draft. You're pretty much hand tied with what you can do, right, you pick your guy. If Byron Jones is a bust, I don't think anybody's gonna hold it

against the Cowboys. But if Randy Gregory is a bust, it's gonna be a talking point for a long time. I think that's fair to say. Yeah, I agree with you on and I wonder you know, Jerry Jones Stephen Jones said from the beginning that running back was not a must, and they obviously meant it. They didn't even take one in the very last stages of the draft. Do you think that does that qualify as a gamble, like, are you taking a gamble that these guys are gonna work out? I just, I just, I mean, I think

they obviously have. You know, I've talked all along. I didn't feel like that they had a great deal of confidence, and I don't think they still do in these backs and then and then this strange strategy, and it is a strange strategy, it is, and maybe things have changed. But the vibe that I was getting coming out of the meetings at the end of the season was that, Okay, what kind of confidence do we have in you know, Joseph Randal, What kind of confidence do we have in

you know, Ryan Williams, you know? And I just didn't get that vibe. It was like, hey, talented players, but you know, come to work, be prepared, be ready to go. And you know, if if you listen to Jerry when he's on with you know, on the radio one oh five three, he's like, you know, he was talking, it was always about bringing up Joe Randall, Joe Randall, Joe Randall, when with Murray and then all of a sudden it

became you didn't stop talking about Joseph Randall. And then I start thinking, well, wait a minute he's talking to the coaches, he's Jerry. This is Jerry now. And then they had the meeting with the coaches. Well, then all his his his thoughts change. You know, it wasn't about Joseph Randallimore. It wasn't about Ryan Williams. And that's when the depth of this draft the running back and that's why we all thought. You know, the fact that you

know that they they they didn't have that confidence. You remember how into training camp and the early part of the season and even still today, Uh, you know the the you know, we talk about passing on Johnny Manziel to get Zach Martin and Jerry is still getting commended for having the discipline to do that. Right, I can see a scenario where, you know, if Ryan Williams or Joseph randall is halfway to a thousand yards in October

next year, same thing happening. Hey, you didn't overreact, You trusted the guys on your roster, you didn't reach for a player, and look how it paid off. These guys rewarded you. You know what you're doing. Conversely, if the running game struggles next year, they're gonna take a lot of heat. It's not addressing that position. It's especially with all the studs that they had to choose from. That's

what I'm saying. I think that's the thing that's real gonna be interesting is that you know, you led a back that had eighteen hundred yards walk and you replaced him with a back that that has talent but probably but the injury probably. And then and then you're going with the guys that are behind him, and so they're either it's it's gonna be I mean there, I don't think there's any middle ground when you decide not to

address again. If you draft Jagie in the fourth, you know you did, you did your due diligence, You tried to upgrade the position. If it doesn't work out, it's hard to blame you too much. But by not addressing it at all, you're putting yourself in a situation where you're either gonna look really good or really bad. And you know, we're just it's a game of wait and see. So we're still waiting. We're told we're gonna get to

Laurence Gips get that done for us here. So uh so there he is, Okay, Uh, Laurence, welcome to our show. It's Brian brought us from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David Hellman and Dane Brugler. Congratulations on your selection to be a part of the Dallas Cowboys going forward here. Oh, thank you so much. Well and Lawrence with did you know did you have an opportunity, uh, you know with uh to meet with you know, the Cowboys at any

point in time? Did you have any idea any conversations with the coaching staff Jerry jam in the front office. I know the scouts went through and saw you play there at Virginia Tech. We got a chance to see you play on tape. You know, we had a lot of really positive things to say about you. But did you have any any meetings with the Cowboys, whether it's uh the combine or any anything down the line that we that that led you to believe that you could

be their selection. Yes, so I'm uh the Cowboys stuff at the call online and then coached Colombo flew out to Virginia Tech and uh we spent we spent probably four or five hours ago. Uh we did some like

fields work and then some some football talk. Well great, yeah, Lawrence, Um, you know David Helman here at Dallas Cowboys dot Com congrats first of all, but you know it's been a talking point here in Dallas for the last uh several years, just the work they've done working on this offensive line, the guys they've brought in, uh Tyrn Smith, Doug free Zach Martin, all that, all those picks that they've used

to shore this thing up. What's your impression of the situation you're stepping into the room you mentioned, uh, Mark Colombo, just the guys here and the unit that they've built here in Dallas. I mean, it's just it's just an amazing opportunity, Like I'm gonna get to go there and work with Pro Bowl offensive lineman and what you can't you can't ask for any better than that. When when Mark went out there, and we all know Mark here. Mark's kind of a tough old school offensive lineman himself.

He puts you through some pretty good paces there. You talked about working with him on the field and all that, Uh did did he did? He did? He get down and dirty with you a little bit, kind of try and push you around and see where you're at. Oh yeah, of course that was That was probably be one of like the most genuous workouts that I that I had. We were out there for probably like an hour and

a half. Well, good, just doing drill after drill, right, yeah, well that you know, Mark's one of those guys like we know and you know, let me ask you this. Had they give any any indication that Mark, did they work any any particular position on the right side the left side? Is any any give you any case er or do they tell you to be pretty flexible about maybe what they can do with you? Oh? I mean

I am flexible. And when we had to work out, I didn't work both sides left hand, right, But um I also played left and right in college too, so you know I'm gonna work in wherever I can. Well, very good, Well listen, Laurds. Hey, congratulations on your selection that Dallas course. Thanks for spending some time with us, and we'll see when you get here in Dallas and looking forward to working with you and uh and getting this thing going for you. Okay, congrats, All right, thanks guys,

All right. Laurence Gibson, the offensive tackle from Virginia Tech, was selected in the seventh round by the Dallas Cowboys. Uh he was uh what pick was that? That was pick two? Forty three down to the final few selections in this draft. We are at pick two fifty five is in that's owned by the Indianapolis Colts. And uh, then the final pick of this draft will be at two fifty six and that is owned by the Arizona Cardinals. So to quote a song, it's been a long, strange

journey to this point in time. We've talked about a little bit about the Cowboys and what we've thought. Uh, that's been you know, sitting sitting in spots. Really, the only move they made was to get a to flip a pick next year to gravitten. Did you expect Alas to to be uh, just to be this calm with their draft that the seventh round, that was trading into that back into the seventh rounds. I'm still trying to

wrap my head around that. Just not not not that it's the wrong move, but just I don't think any of us saw that coming. No, it's a weird thing to see. It really is giving up a future sixth for a seventh this year. Obviously they saw something in the player that they didn't want to fight other teams to sign him in state. I mean, he's a California kid, but he played in state of Texas. Uh. I don't

think anyone saw it coming. And here we are down to the final pick, number two fifty six coming here shortly. It's uh, it's bittersweet. It's crazy that we just went through two hundred and fifty six picks last three days and all the all the draft shows everything we've done the last few months culminating right now. Yeah, and then uh, it's it's always a it's a very frantic time. What's going on in these war rooms around the country. And it looks like that pick two hundred and fifty six

is in fact in Solia Collins to not get drafted. No, yeah, and that kind of some rumblings around the building today that they might kick the tires on that, but I guess they Ultimately, I've never seen anything like that. You know, he can't re enter the draft next year, No, he can't. And you know so that wait, he can't if even if he decides not to sign with the team he's a free agent now oh wow, yeah, yeah, they can't.

He can't do that. So uh so his his his camp was confident on him getting drafted, and then he wouldn't sign his paperwork, and then he'd be eligible, right if he was drafted then and he didn't sign, then he could have re entered The team that drafted him had his rights for a year, right, and then he could have re entered the draft next year. But since he went undrafted, technically he is a free agent right

now exactly, So what the hell happened? So he's got a meeting with the police on Monday, and then there's gonna be a stampede of NFL teams, assuming that everything is okay. Eagle Front, yep, that'll be an interesting that should be very interesting to watch. It's a shame a kid goes from a first round pick. But again, I just kind of gathering a little facts or some information on it. Sounds like this is really something that he could have taken care of a while ago and did

not do that. So listen to everybody out there to take care of your business and not everybody gets charged with it's not charged, but it gets questioned on these kind of things. So can't let's do this. You got two fifty six, Let's go to the podium and get the final pick event for all of us to enjoy. It's so mean that they call this guy. Things must come to an end. For the final pick of a twenty fifteen draft. Please welcome to the podium, Melanie Fitch.

She is the daughter of NFL legend and the founder of mister Irrelevant, Paul Salata. Melanie Welcome. It's like, oh, congratulations, you don't matter. He gets a parade and everything. The final pick of the NFL Draft, also known as mister Irrelevant,

reaches a significant milestone in twenty fifteen. This year's selection kicks off the fortieth year of Irrelevant Week, where mister irrelevance, perseverance, determination, and athletic achievements will be honored at the Bellboa Bay Resort in Newport Beach, California, for the announcement of the Arizona Cardinal selection of Mister Irrelevant. Forty. Let's turn it to mister Irrelevant thirty seven Cardinals quarterback Chandler Harness, who's

joined by Paul Salata, founder of Irrelevant. Chandler. All right, everybody, the final round of the draft is finally in. This is also known as mister Irrelevant. So the final pick for twenty fifteen reaches a huge milestone. This is the fortieth year for mister Irrelevant Week, and that's celebrating perseverance, determination,

athletic achievement and all that's going to be honored. We have President Michael Bidwell here today with the Arizona Cardinal and we also do about this the first So the Arizona Cardinals want to have the selection of mister Irrelevant number forty announced by mister Irrelevant thirty seven. And that's the quarterback you're seeing right here. This is Chandler Harness

and he's joined by mister irrelevant founder Paul Salata. All right, here we go, shout out to the Red Sea and the Bird Gang with the thirty ninth pick, seventh round two fifty six overall, the two thy fifteen. Mister Irrelevant for the Arizona Cardinals at Cardinals is Gerald Christian tied end for there you go one. He goes from one Cardinal to the other Cardinal. You done, former Florida transfer. So Gerald Christian as mister irrelevant pick two fifty six

and that will close the an annual selection meeting. Is the NFL likes to call it. I like to call it the draft. The NFL Draft. It's been a part of my life. Since nineteen ninety two. I enjoy every single minute of it. I enjoyed the preparation. Thank you very much, Jim Nance for the music tradition. Yeah, a

tradition like no other. Hello but friends. But now we're about to have a press conference coming up here and stuff like that, and we do, and we do, and again, I just want to get some just some final thoughts. I was trying to kind of get there before we got to mister irrelevant, But just some you know, final thoughts. We talked about the Cowboys, we talked about some of the surprises we thought, we talked about the ways that they might have helped themselves. We will always question about

the running backs that situation. But just some final thoughts about the draft itself. And uh, and I'm not asking to grade anything or but just kind of what your impressions were overall, I think, I mean, there's one glaring, obvious exception, which is Randy Gregory. I mean it's not and I mean this as a compliments. I don't get me wrong. It's not a lot of flash here. To me. It's an effish and you know, you address needs. It's kind of like Zack Martin last year, nobody got excited

about Zack Martin. People were audibly disappointed in the crowd when it wasn't Johnny Manziel. But he goes out, he's a Pro Bowl or he fits the need, and that's kind of how I feel about this. I mean, you're drafting guys who you know, Chaz Green doesn't really move the needle, but you needed a swing tackle. You needed a guy that you feel confident can step in if

one of your guys gets hurt. They got that. They got a guy who you think can probably be one of the top three corners on this team right away. And Byron Jones, you know Wilson the linebacker. Again, maybe not a guy that's going to step in and have a hundred tackles as a rookie, but you need depth, a for injuries, be for special teams, see because you don't know the long term future of the position, so you know you gotta when you're thinking about it years

down the line instead of Week one, twenty fifteen. I think all these guys serve a very direct purpose, and then I think the exclamation point is a flashy, sexy guy who can Randy Gregory if he is what they hope he is. Then you're talking about a double digit sack guy who can anchor your defensive line along with the Marcus Lawrence. Again, you can never predict it, but if it goes the way they want it to, then that's a great tandem to have on your defensive line

for the next few years. So, you know, I don't know how to grade a draft, but I would give this one a good grade. Absolutely, we're gonna go to our guy who's not been mister Irrelevant at all. He's been a first round pick all throughout this he takes his time to come and be a part of what we do here at the Draft show and then also what we were doing on the road at the Senior Bowl,

and then also at the Combine. And Dane, we can't thank you enough for all the things that you've done for us, and you know, and the expertise that you bring, the professionalism. I know one day we're gonna lose you to one of these NFL teams and you're gonna be a part of that and picking these guys for real. But thank you for all you've done. Thank you very much, sir your thoughts on this and it didn't have to be so much about the Cowboys, but just you know,

another draft. You've been doing this a long time. I mean you are a young man, but you know, still it didn't have like Dave said, it didn't have the flash that we've seen in you know, it didn't have the the up and round on the chaos and all that we've seen in drafts pass but right, a very efficient draft. Every draft has an identity, and thank you guys have letting me know be here and be part of this. It's been so much fun just talking draft for how how many months? Every draft has an identity.

It really does, and you know, we'd come away from each draft thinking different things and feeling feeling good about certain picks. And I think with Dallas, the most important thing was that twenty seventh pick, getting that right, getting your first round pick right, and I think they did.

They hit a home run with Byron Jones and the way the first round, This first round was unlike any other with the way it played out, two trades, just not a lot of surprises, and it still worked out where the Cowboys were able to get their guy, and so it worked out great. And then this third day today, a lot of a lot of surprises. A few names at surprise went off the board. A few names that

are left. I'm going through them. About the post on CBS, the top fifteen undrafted guys, I mean it starts with Lyle Collins obviously, but guys like Dres Anderson, Mike Hall, Cody Pruett, right Reestas Muke. So a lot of players still available that will sign contracts here tonight. But overall, another great draft. It's it's it's been fun. Yeah, you know my my impressions of drafts, right, you know, this is the best time to to build your team. That

to me, the really the best time. I understand what free agency does you know are these players? I mean you have to overspend, but this is this is what your backbone is right here. And the Cowboys, there's no h there's no denying that they got better last year because if they started drafting better, you get better players, you match up better in games. On a pretty good street. They're on a good streak and that's what they need

to continue to do. You know what, what will McClay, you know, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Jason Garrett, the scouting staff, everything that they've been able to do to pull this thing together. And it's a lot of work. I mean, you don't realize. I mean we we sit here and talk about it and we do our own little but you know, guys are away from their families and stuff like that. It's a it's a very you know, this is their their there there, this is their time of year.

And today being the third day, was the scouts day, you know. And and again there's there's some players out there and this thing's not over. I mean, you got this draft. Now you'll have the second draft, and the second draft really is about free agency after this draft and you know, going out and maybe you do get because Dallas Cowboys have done a really nice job of signing guys that are free agents now college Fridge and then having them make their teams and having success with

those teams. This is unlike any other draft. And I say that with confidence because there's a big unknown down in our alma mater, in our hometown. Yeah. Uh who, I mean, that's that's something to keep an eye on. I mean, yeah, yeah, if that check. And I mean I thought there was a point in time where you would have haken him and and and maybe and again I didn't know the information. I don't think none of

us knew the information totally with him what the situation was. Uh, you know, obviously the the the programs, the uh, the the teams got some kind of report, probably from the league. I talked about, Hey, if it was me, I would send, I would send. You know, Larry Wansley would have been in Baton Rouge two days ago trying to figure this out. And if you get the if it would have been favorable or not favorable, Uh, then at least you have

an idea what direction you want to go in. So maybe, and again you know, who knows what's going to happen. I don't know what the deal is any more than anybody else does. But if if he's cleared and nothing is wrong, I don't see why the Cowboys wouldn't be major players for his services. Well, and there's no I mean, there's no restrictions on that. You know that it's he's up for wherever he wants free file. It's up to

him of his choice of whoever wants to him. If it once that thing clears, if it does clear, if it does clear, if it does clear, So there's some still some hurdles. So okay, well we're gonna we're gonna step aside here from our draft coverage. We were gonna thank everybody around the world brought us. Oh, we need to thank you. This is your baby, This was your idea. Hey, had fun, had fun, Thank you guys, but seriously brought us this. This You're the heart and soul of this

draft show this year. Uh, you know, Dane, obviously you coming on as well. It was great, tiny gem always good to have you. But yeah, but brought us that chair since ten am this morning and every fan, everyone in Cowboys Nation appreciates it. So so thank you, very very very much. Well, thank you guys. Appreciate you guys too. Okay, what's coming up next is gonna be uh the wrap up of the uh with the press conference and stuff where we're gonna go off. We're gonna go off the

air here. If you a little bit, just take a little break, make sure you still keep your computers and brows all stuff up on Dallas Cowboys dot com because then you'll hear we will have post draft post drafts, and keep your eyes on the site because the undrafted free agents are coming and that's a great thing about Twitter too, You mean sometimes you get yep, you can get these guys tweet out who who have them, who's playing.

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