Draft Day LIVE - Day 1

Jones and finally, at long last, it is here. It is draft time, not only at Valley Ranch, but also in Chicago in all parts in between. What do you think you're ready? I'll tell you what I've you know, we've been and first off, welcome to our little party that we've had and I've been joined less well, thank you, and it's it's a pleasure to have you here. And it also though excited because we've started this journey. It

feels like forever ago. We go back to the catch no catch, and then two three days after that you start looking at players getting ready for the Senior Bowl. We start doing shows there the combine. So we've carried this, We've carried the ball to the goal line here. Now it's about time to knock this one home and get it going. You know what just dawned on me too, Like literally as we were leading into the show, like I'm pumped out of my mind, I'm excited. We've been

talking about this since January. We've been studying these players, talking about it, beating it into the ground, and it just dawned on me. These guys have been doing the same thing, but with much much higher stakes, Like nobody cares if I get to pick wrong. You know, I can't even imagine what it feels like. I mean, I'm gonna be bummed buck playing about it already when we started to My job's not on the line if I don't hit Oh yeah, And you know I've been in

that chair. I can't even imagine how it feels to be in Will McClay right now, out this guy over here. Dane Brugler, CBS Sports course of the Draft show as well. How many hours would you say into giving your you devote to your draft cover. There's no way to quantify it, but that's what it takes. That's what scouting is. I mean, how many how many years were you in the league? Giving it's just yeah, thirteen is a marathon. Could doing these drafts since ninety two and it's changed so much.

Very first draft was twelve rounds and I couldn't imagine as exhausted as I get now, you know, having to go through that. But I was. I was a young man like these guys, you know, doing this stuff, so I had much better. Jane, how long have you been at it? Uh? Started in uh in college. I did my first my first draft book, that was about two thousand and five or so. So but I'm a decade of this. I've been with CBS last four years, five years now. So it's uh, it's it's it's fun, it

really is. And so it's, uh, let's get this thing started. I think when you said finally, I mean that that's it. That's the buzzword. Finally. Yep, and we're gonna be here throughout the draft. This is the first time the Dallas Cowboys dot Com has had the exclusive Inside Valley Ranch

Picked by Pick coverage of the draft. I know, Brian, you're very excited about Yeah, you know, Bill, I I feel like I beat Derek Eagleton up a little bit about this, but you know, and and and again this goes back to the platform we have, you know, with Dallas Cowboys dot Com and all that gums entails what we do and to come in and to be able to work on the draft the way we have and every week, but to finally get it and go from

the first pick to the last pick. And I don't I challenge anybody to have any coverage that's any better from what we've been being with the players at the Senior Bowl, the Combine. You know, Dane looking at players, myself looking at players, it's just Dave Well, it's all this acts and you know yourself. I mean, this man right here just wears me out when it comes to draft talk. And that's what I've got. I got my

big great NFL drafts and I go back. Bill was one of the first ones ever to put me on TV to talk about the draft, so I always have a soft spot for him there. But yeah, you know, if you get people together that are passionate about the draft, and we have a lot of people out there that are very passionate about the draft and watching us right now. So this is a fun time for them as well.

And behind the scenes of course, here we've got Ken Garrison, Lauren so called Douglas Barrick Lowe as they will keep us in tune with actually not only what's going on in the draft, but also what's going on in the draft room. And here, when we have access to it, you will be able to look inside the draft room. Jerry, Steve, Jason, Gary.

They've got it covered up right now, so we can't show it to you yet, but basically, as soon as we can, you're gonna be watching that and not watching our ugly mugs, right, but a lot of yeah, a lot of voiceover, right, a lot of voiceover stuff, but

you'll see what's going on in the draft room. It's this is a time though, and from my own personal experience of being with Jerry Jones Stephen Jones for six years in that war room, a lot of crazy things happen, but this is actually all the work that the scouts. It comes to the very end here now and actually this is the calmest time. You know, you battle, and

we've had some good battles. We did a mock draft yesterday, but this is really the calmest time for the scouts because you know the board is set and there's there's no surprises. Now it's the You know, if you Steven Jones and and Jerry Jones and Will McClay, they've given everybody their chance to say their peace. You know, if you don't like where a player is on that board, you know today is not the day to talk about it. Yesterday, two days ago, that was the day to talk about it.

And the scouts take a lot of pride in that board that that's your baby right there. And when when those when those tags start coming off the board, you get very excited about it. But too where they're picking at twenty seven, it's very nerve racking. It's it's you know, I've been a part of some drafts where it's been down at the bottom and Stephen Jones said this, he

can't tell you who's gonna be there. We can't. We we we could give you some ideas, but if you're picking it five or six, you at least have an idea who you might get. Even last year at sixteen, you had a little bit of an idea was there. You had four or five guys you had your eye on you felt pretty good one would be there for you right this year, who knows? Twenty seven it's and I feel like people, you know, fans are maybe less

willing to get excited about the twenty seventh pick. It's not going to be a flashy name at least, you know, in the to a general fan at least obviously Draftnicks or a different breed entirely. But I think it's more exciting. I think the unknown. We have no idea. It could be so many different things. It could be a trade up, it could be a trade back, it could be one

of about eight different guys. Maybe somebody slips. I think it's way more exciting being back here and having an infinite number of possibilities as opposed to being a top five pick and you kind of know what's going to happen. Well, the fact of the matter two that you have a couple of potentially top ten picks did have had some off the field issues, maybe some medical issues you know, you don't know. And when you're initially you talk about a guy like Randy Gregory, and I know we'll get

into all these guys. But when you're sitting there and now a sudden you think, wow, we would have never you know, if all things are clean, never would have had a shot, probably to Randy Gregory right right now, all of a sudden, Oh, it's like, whoa wait a minute, now we've got to talk this thing through. I distinctly remember in the you know, ball season January when this was first going, Williams, Jamis and Gregory were the three. I mean, Gregory was the top five guy when this

all started. So the fact that he's not just a possibility but a realistic one is amazing to me. And even from a draft standpoint, here's a guy that a lot of people had top ten pick. Whatever. That goes to show that you have to do your homework on every prospect in the draft, every possible first round pick, even if they're projected to go top five in the draft, because you don't know what's going to happen. And even in the twenty four hours prior to the draft, to

Collins tackle from that's very unfortunate. And if he is innocent and you know, not connected at all or you know, somewhat, but it's unfortunate for the player. It really is. I think, I mean, I don't think there's a precedent for this, and we found out he's been his appeal to go into the supplemental draft has been denied. Right, So, now you're sitting here in a circumstance where this guy is top ten, top twenty at least talent. You take a

chance on him in the later rounds? Do you let him go undrafted and have a priority free agent who's got a first round grade? I mean, who knows what's going to happen with that? Yeah, I just this is one of those things where you you I think you have to evaluate the player, and I think you have to respect where you put him on that board. Yeah, now, but you also have to be conscious. I don't know. I mean there's a side of me that believes that

he might get out of the first round. But I think there's somebody would take a shot in the second round thinking to wait a minute, We've done our due diligence on this. They know a lot more information than then we do about it, and I think this is something that I'm not saying this is gonna catch teams by surprise, because do you think that they probably knew something was what's going I mean, I'm asking the question, do you think that they're I mean, this is something

that teams do such a great job. I didn't tell you. Yeah, and I don't know how talking to Scots about Lyle Collins throughout the process, you got he was a little lazy earlier in his career. Yeah, but he grew as a as a junior and senior. And but off field, there weren't many concerns. There weren't there weren't any of those red flags that you see with these other prospects. So this is really out of left field and something that has teams really scrambling the fine details, find out

more information. And it's it's a tough situation because he's not a suspect. It's it's important to point that out right, it's a former girlfriend, right, And it's but where where where is his value as a player? Where do you feel comfortable drafting him? That's something where you ask all thirty two teams, you'll get a different answer. I feel pretty confident in saying we're not going to hear his

name tonight. I agree based on something that's happened in the last three I mean yeah, I mean we're sitting here saying, you know, maybe Monday as recently as Monday, that he's a possible. You don't think a team, You don't think a team would take a shot at him a New England at thirty two in the first thirty two picks. You can't. You can't. He could be. He could I mean again, I I mean, I don't know a lot about the case. He's not a suspect, but

he could be. He could be. He could be charged and in a criminal investigation as read as soon as next week. Knowing what we know right now, you can't. Now NFL teams might have more information we don't know, and if they do, that changes things somewhat. But knowing what we know as outsiders, you just can't. You can't take that chance. Why do you think the timing though? Why why the timing? Now that's a great question. I mean, why is this something that was not done weeks ago?

Let's the authorities don't care about the NFL draft. I think it's more unfortunate than you know. Strategic are you? Are you suggesting an agenda here? Is that what's going? I'm suggesting I'll check up to something, to something. Maybe Belicheck rustrated this. I'll tell you what though, you guys. You guys totally dismiss it. And I'll stand corrected. I'll stand corrected. I just at some point, but at the back end of that draft, oh no, no, no, I

mean this and and I'll tell you one thing. I sat with the news, I sat with the New England scouts at the at the Senior pol And and and let me tell you what, talking about that player, it was like, no way, we're not going to see this guy. It doesn't matter though, it doesn't matter the talent level, because you got what's happening right now, and you gotta I mean, you know the ten game suspension that Greg

Hardy just got for your Dallas Cowboys. Uh, you know, it's a at least a slightly different NFL than it might have been a year. How about the Saints. Of course, it's LSU player. Saints pick at thirty one in the first round. Yeah, you just a guard. Yeah, maybe there's nothing to it. They tell a little prosecuting attorney down there in New Orleans that hey, just just float this out there. If he goes in the first round tonight, then the team that takes him and knows something that

that the general public is not privy too. I think that's a fair statement. Just a couple of minutes away from the Commissioner striding to the podium in Chicago and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will be on the clock, and you've got coverage from a Cowboys perspective right here around the clock today, tomorrow, and on Saturday. Bill Jones, Brian brought us, Dain Brugler, David Helmett, and we'll have a cast of thousands coming in here as well. No doubt we do have to take breaks along the way when

you're talking about that extensive coverage. All right, Randy Gregory, we talked about Randy Gregory a little bit. I see some in the media who are projecting Gregory to the Cowboys at number twenty seven. Do you think is legitimate interest on the Cowboys standpoint, They've done their homework obviously on the player, right, there's a legitimate possibility they could pull the trigger on already. I think so. I I you know, to me, Randy Gregory is a first round talent. Yeah.

Now the off the field stuff, that's why I'm talking about that. Yeah, And Jason here it hammered this to us the other day about there the support systems and things in place and how they handle players case by case. I don't see Randy Gregory off their board unless something's changed in the last forty eight hours and he is, you know, he finds his way down to twenty seven. I expect Randy Gregory to be picked at twenty seven

if in fact he is on the five. Yeah. I think if he's on the board at twenty seven, I don't think he's on the board at twenty eight. I think Randy Gregory not only does he is, he a value pick at that point. If you feel comfortable with who he is as an individual, it's gonna be tough to pass. But again, he's not a flawless prospect on the field. No, and you were talking about a player that's light. You worry about the growth potential he has

to sustain that way. He's a skinny dude, he is, and it's it's something worth But let's but let's also look at the scheme. Let's look at the Cowboys scheme. Here are they going to ask Randy Gregory to play sixty five plays a game that's not Marinelli's style. No matter, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying all of a sudden, if you get a guy and you start mintsie at right end and and then you bring a

Randy Gregory into the game kie year. Yeah. See that to me exactly So to me, that's where I you know, people are like, well, is he too light, Brian? Is he two six five, two thirty five? Yeah? Combine yeah and that and that's and that's what he is. But he is a hell of a football player in a lot of regard. I mean, and you just look at the talent. Now, there's times where he will he will make you mad. I mean there are times where you watch him get blocked, get widened, all these things off

the field because of a hangnail exactly. That that now, that's fair, that's fair. But there's a lot of people that saw him as a top ten type of a talent. Brian brought us big board. You got him top ten, top fifteen. I don't, okay, I don't. Did you have him in your top where'd you have him in your fifteen? I did have him in my fifty. Let me see where my had him down. I had him down here

might be low. Let's see I had him. I had him with a second round grade is what I had him, which I mean when you're picking at twenty seven, right, I mean I had him roughly at around twenty six twenty seven. That's the thing about Brian listening to his coverage through the years here is he does it, and

he does his markets from a Cowboys perspective. It's not from a Brian broad his perspective of what he would do and that I'm just telling you I think that they would and thank you for explaining that though I think that to me, Dane said it. There are flaws in the player. I think he's a good football, but there are flaws. But there's people that saw him a lot higher than me. My evaluation of him was as a player and not a guy that likes to smoke

dope on Friday nights. And he explains some of the dope smoking that he has some mental anxiety on occasion and that's the reason that he is dabbled in that. Yeah, but he does not fit the right kind of guy criteria from that Stampard point and doesn't appear when from what we've seen in the first round here recently, where you've got squeaky cleaner Jack Martin, Travis Breck and you

look at character guys. It's important not to paint with a broad brush and say, okay, well, Dez Bryant his issues is a little different than Randy greg You have to look at these individuals and say, you know, how can we help make sure that he is on the field, he's there for us? You know what support system does he need? So with if Brandy Gregory does end up a Dallas Cowboy, that's a poor system by the Cowboys will be important. You can go two different ways with that.

And I agree with everything y'all just said. And if there's a team that's proven a they're unafraid to do that and be that they can handle it. I mean you look at I mean Dez, Josh, Brent, Greg Hardy, Rolando McClain, all these guys that need that support system and it's worked to this point. The thing, and this has scared me going back to free agency, is at what point do you have like too many of those

situations in one locker room? You know, I do worry about maintain a lot of them on the defensive side of the ball. I worry. I mean, you know, you don't want to have you don't want to have the Looney's running the Looney bat well, and I look at it different crass way to put it, but I look at it when you're drafting a player, especially a first round pick, differently than say signing a Greg Hardy. Obviously, the baggage well known when Hardy came in. But he's

a rental. He's a one years I mean, if you sign if a first round pick, especially if you got basically have his rights for five years and he's a core part of your team long term thought process. So let me ask you, cares me, let me ask you, guys, and and we'll get into it more. If he's selected though likely to be good player, outstanding player, or a

bust who Gregory Gregory, I think he'll probably be. I mean, if I mean, if I have to project right now, I'd say he'll be like a good player never you know, not de Marcus Ware. But I got him as a bust. Yeah. And because of the issues, Yeah, that's something you just can't ignore the issues. But I would probably fall somewhere in between these two guys. You know, I'm kind of fence riding there, but you know, I'm really worried about the issues. But he's a good player, he's a good athlete,

a lot of things alike. Twenty seven. You're still scared, then I'll go out. I'll go out on the land. I don't like him at all, not at twentys, not in the first round. He'd be for me. It'd be like what the Cardinals did with Tyron Matthew in the third round, something like that. I like that. Ye Hey, it's the commission. The Commission is at the podium in Chicago. I wonder if they're booing him. We don't have sound now tonight they're booing him for the first time in

fifty one years. Shytown is said, shytown. I don't know, Roger. I leave that to Kanye West. Thank you, and welcome to the thousands of fans and a ride here from Chicago. The mallions of fans are watching on the NFL network in the ESPN. Don't forget about Dallascowboys fans around the world. The heartfelt thank you for making the NFL great. So you're even the draft. Let's get started, all right, It's time to have some fun. The twenty and fifteen NFL

Draft is officially open. It is officially open by the way fifty one years ago, nineteen sixty four, the last time the draft was held in Chicago. Who the Cowboys picked that year's pretty good draft? Rogers the tenth round pick that year. I feel bad that I got to draft day without learning that. Well, it's funny he didn't even find out he was drafted until the next day when he read it in the paper. That just tells

you compared to what it is now. And uh, you had two other Hall of Famers taken by Gil Brandt and the Cowboys in that draft. Second round, mel Renfro, I think the right there behind you on the wall in fifth round, I think Bob Hayes. Bob Hayes not a bad draft. Actually, Bob Hayes was selected before. We're Bill Parcels Parcels Alliance. Yeah, the three Ring of Honor

members in one draft. If I'm not mistaken, what do what the forty type was for Parcels dug up, not thinking he wasn't now qualified as a Bill Parcels is happy that there's no combine coverage. I think that night Bill brand knew what he was doing, knows what he's doing with the with the Buccaneers on the clock now, and it's as we're rolling here, it's eight fifty as they've started. Are you on board with this potentially with the Mariota pick actume with the Winston pick? Yes, I am.

I mean it's he's you can talk about the off field, you can talk about maturity concerns. You have to roll the dice on him, you have to what he showed on tape. I feel very comfortable with the player that you're getting for a player that just turned twenty one years old, what he showed me on tape, I'm really excited for who he's going to be at the NFL level, as long as he stays mature and you know you

he takes care of business off the field. So when you take me, you look at these quarterbacks early, it's fifty fifty. Whether they're going to pan out, I'll take my ends with Winston. They have The biggest question mark I have on him as a player on the field are the eighteen picks that he threw last year King and that's not unprecedented. Dan Marino had twenty three interceptions

his senior year. He had a great junior year, bad senior year he had He actually had more interceptions and touchdowns, So it's not unprecedented, but absolutely it's something that is in the equation. And for Winston, he had forty touchdowns, ten interceptions freshman, that's right, is a Richard freshman. Then this past year twenty five touchdowns, eighteen interceptions. I think the thing that bothered me the most about him is

you talk about the turnovers. I worry about the lack of mobility and and I'm saying from a and there's some lack of mobility pocket standpoint. Yeah, so you think he's slow even for a pocket Yeah, I have. I have some issues when when things start to break down, you see him have to move. And he's had some runs where he's been you know, got through and managed

to bounce off scrambler. He's not And I think that's the thing that I would worry about though, if he's not well protected initially and then having to make a lot of moves and then having to throw the ball. I think when you pressure him, just noticing on the tape, the biggest trouble and you can say it's about any quarterback, but especially this one. The more pressure he would face,

the worst he would play, in my opinion. And that's and That's interesting because I was there were times and I'm not just talking about the Oregon game and having to come back because he is a rallying quarterback. I mean the one loss on his right, yeah exactly, but when you watch the mistakes that he had, it was him having to do something move to throw when you when you stand there and throw. He can make the throws.

Oh yeah, But I worried about. I worry about if the Buccaneers don't protect him well enough initially, which offensive line is not a strength for the Tami. I'll be honest with you. I disagree with you there. I like his mobility in the pocket compared to what a lot of these college guys slide just to slide. I think he can sense it, and he can. I've seen him do it enough, recognize blitzes, move in the pocket and be able to sense where that pressure is coming from. Now,

does he need to improve in a lot of areas there? Yes? Is he Marcus Mariota when it comes to moving around? No, he's not. He doesn't have that type of athleticism. But I'm still okay with you know, his pocket mobility, his movement, his ability to sense pressure. I think perhaps his biggest the biggest difference for him from his red shirt freshman year to his red shirt sophomore year. He didn't have Kelvin and he's got he's got a nice little white

out out down there in Tampa. If they I mean, if they do pick him here, yeah, that's the Johnny Man's And that was the biggest difference for Man as well when he didn't have Mike Evans well. And that was one of the big things for Winston this year is he relied so much on Rashad Green and Nico Leary and defense is picked up and defenses knew that. So I think that's where a lot of those interceptions came from. That's the that's the right there on the TV.

They haven't they haven't got finished above five hundred and four years. They haven't made the playoffs in seven seasons. And I don't like, I know, Leonard Williams is the number one guy on Dane's board. I don't think Leonard Williams is reversing your your fortunes in that situation. I think you got to roll the dice and if they hit on Jamis, then they're immediately relevant and immediately in contention. For a playoff spot for the next decade or more.

Potential trouble spot for Jamis Winston might be the fact that he's staying home. Absolutely, I mean, I mean, there a lot of people say that it's better, especially for a kid who's had some problems, to get away from home. So it'll be so interesting to see how it plays out. The pick is in. We await the commissioner heading to

the pody. By the way, we're watching the NFL network coverage, which I'm sure if you are by a television you're doing the same and you obviously have the sound turned down right here to our live coverage of the NFL Draft twenty fifteen. Did you think there was a big difference between Winston and Mariota when you were doing that your study, big difference, not necessarily, but I felt more comfortable with the transition because pro style offense compared to

what happened at Oregon. I felt more comfortable watching Winston's tape and saying NFL throw as an NFL throw, I felt more. I feel more comfortable with Winston as he goes to the NFL level, and Winston he's someone we'll see next year as a rookie. He's not going to be sitting the bench. We will see Winston on the field. Markus Mariota, we'll see where he ends up. If it's in Tennessee. A good chance we don't see Marcus Mariota

at least to begin the season. I'm interested to see where Mike Glennon winds up if he's if they just keep him there and says the backup to Winston or what could I agree with you? Winston's gonna be playing. Yeah, it could be a nice trade piece for it the team that doesn't get their quarterback in this draft, you know, later on maybe Friday Saturday. Do you think he was is Glennon and watching him play? Do you think though there's salvageable though when you watch him play Glennon, Yeah,

I don't think he's. I mean, there's a reason the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are picking number one overall and they're gonna about to draft the quarterback. They basically didn't get him a shot once Lovey came in there last year. Yeah, you know, Josh McCown, who's Cleveland Brown now the commissioner making his way to the podium. Now we're the first pick In the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Jameis Winston. Quota quota thing. Oh he's happy.

That guy's thrilled. There you have it. We are underway. Jamis Winston, of course, not making the way to Chicago. He looks so surprised. Is there another league in the world where a guy would put on that get up to go to Chicago to watch somebody announced that they got a guy who will play for them five months from now. Now that's the great thing about That's insane and in the fans and all, but yeah, absolutely so.

Uh big decision here though, you know Lovey Smith in that group last year, you know that maybe that was a little bit of Uh. I think maybe some surprise with with way the Buccaneers play. Lovey Lovey always been a guy that's come in. Teams have been solid. Defense has always been solid. Did you think that team was that talent poor in certain areas? They definitely are. You talk about the offensive line, offensive line, you can look

on defense, then they need some help. And a team that in the last few years have made a lot of splashes in free agency and that hasn't worked out, and so I think now we'll see what they do moving forward in this draft. Hopefully they build from within, but there's a nice foundation there with Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Austin Seferie and Jenkins. Jamis Winston has some tall trees to throw too in Tampa. So it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting how this how it plays out this

year when he's a rookie. And of course they didn't do anything basically offensively in free agency, but there's several former Cowboys now who are Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and Bruce Carter, Henry Milton and Sterling Moore. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be all right. So I mean, so you got a Cowboys contingent and the number one pick in the draft to

look forward to. The Cowboys go down there two weeks before Thanksgiving, see, and and that'll be that's something, and that'll be something that's you know, by that time played quite a few games. Yeah, I think you'll have an idea. You were taught last year with Dane with Teddy Bridgewater. You know, by the end of the season, Teddy Bridgewater was played pretty well and by the way Dane Brugler had Teddy Bridgewater as his number one guy on his big board, so hopefully he keeps that going to keep

that runner there, he's got a shot too. Yeah, Tennessee is on the clock, and this is where this draft gets interested. There's been so much speculation draft starts on what will Tennessee do, and their phone line has been burning up here in the last several days, I'm sure,

especially the last several hours. I don't know if you guys saw this, it was right around the time we actually started the show, but Ian Rappapor with NFL dot Com is reporting Philly is offered at Tennessee two first rounders, a third rounder, Fletcher Cox is it, Brandon Boykin, that's quarterback, Michael Kendricks their linebacker, and Sam Bradford to get to this pick, and apparently rabbitfre says it's not enough Tennessee

once more. Wow, I mean that's a hot always at two ones two ones, so one this year and next year, a third this year. Fletcher Cox, who is a boss at that for at defensive line at the nose, Brandon Boykin, who's a decent okay dB. Michael Kendricks who has been good for them, So how close is Cox to free agency. I want to say they just picked up his option,

so he's good. They have to pay him after one season based BOYCN is probably into his free agent year coming up, and Sam Bradford also is last year, and so I mean that's a really that is a very good point. Is that this is a short term options. They look at it as two ones in the three. Yeah, that's a really great point. Okay, it's gonna either come down to the quarterback or Williams, right, Leonard Williams, is that who you know? If you Marcus Mariota is getting

picked here, I I just I don't. I'm not good even be a scenario wherever he gets picked and then go somewhere else. I think that's definitely impossible. That is that's a good point. I mean, really, it hasn't happened since since ELI and four. Yeah, but so it's not a common occurrence, but it is something if a deal does not get done now. But I think you're right, Uh,

Mariota is the pick here. It has to be either because somebody's that desperate to get him, or I mean, Tennessee's not in a much different boat than Tampa Bay. In my opinion. And we don't know if Tennessee's been lying all all along, but apparently wizen Hunt likes Mettenburger, former LASU quarterback. I mean he's the next coming. He's yea.

If I'm making the picks, I'm like Mariota, no thank you because Mettenberger's taking And by the way, there was some speculation that Philip Rivers could get traded from San Diego to Tennessee. And Philip Rivers was told today by the Chargers he's not getting traded and they're talking about a contract extension for him. Huh. Well you know this one though, bothers me a little bit. Why is that? Well, again, the skill level of the player. Can can this quarterback

make all the throne? And how quickly can he adapt to the NFL game? I think you have a bigger question about that, about how he adapts. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean that's you watch the tape. You can see the traits he I think he can do it all. But just arm strength though, I'm okay with the arms, right, It's not it's not elite, but I'm okay with it. It's it's it's passable, it's a it's a it's enough, um,

But in this league, you have to be accurate. Right. Yes, he set a record at Oregon for completion percentage, but you watch this offense. It allowed receivers to be wide open, and he would miss those a lot of times. I just worry about that. That's where I disagree with you on that, because I thought that was one of his best traits that he had. With the accuracy part of it, though,

I mean, I'm not saying it was. It is. I'd say best traits, but one of the traits when the ball was coming out he was guys were catching it on the move and stuff like that. Money threw six picks in college or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing about it, I didn't see the ball going down the field. That's why I thought that as a player, as a quarterback, I'm thinking, Okay, he's accurate because everything is, everything is quick,

everything is underneath, everything is the open receivers. Now I do I do grant you the inside some of the inside throws, the ends, those kinds of routes where there were some high balls behind and stuff. But I thought overall that was it. So you know, I could see though I could see him being the pick. I think that, you know, I think you're absolutely in a minute and a half to go on the clock, and they got the pick in Twitter Tennessee Titan. Twitter seems to be

indicating that it will be Marcus Mariota to Tennessee. I got. I mean there are teams I mentioned the Cleveland Browns they want Mariota, but they are balking at giving up more than twelve and nineteen to get him. So could we see something after this? We're seeing handshakes hands around. You get that's gonna be the quarterback? Right? I think so? No, absolutely, have you ever seen them drafted a defensive tackle instead of a quarterback? Well, literal Williams. I would, I would

high five Linard Williams. I'd give it, you know, Leary Williams. I'm all I think of whoever their picket, there's gonna be handshakes all around. But yeah, that's true, nobody. Yeah, I'm I'm still waiting for the press conference after the first round where one team is like, we got the wrong guy. So if if Mariota is the pick, though, everybody you know down my pick right here. I feel better about Jameis Winston than Marcus Mariota. That's just me.

I mean, if that's what you're asking. See, I feel really not great about either one of them. I mean

to I mean totally, I don't feel great. I don't feel like and I'm not trying to sit there and compare hint, these guys to Andrew Luck No, no, and and And that's what scares me because I feel like I've been talking all along about Bryce Petty, you know, and I'm trying to think, okay, but see there's no second or or its gonna be third quarterback that you could say, Okay, I'll wait to the top of the second round and grab that guy, unless you really do

like Betty. If you like Bryce Petty and you're sitting Tennessee and you're sitting there at thirty three, then you could go a different direction in right and take Petty at that point because that maybe trade into See this is where it hits you in the guns because who came over the next squ the next quarterbacks not so much gonna be compared to Winston. It's probably gonna be Mariota. You know, if you look at bus factors, who has the probably the biggest chance for bus bus factors, I

think it would probably be. Uh, do you see do you see Pro Bowls and either one of these two quarterbacks futures Winston maybe Mariota not really Yeah, yeah, I don't see it. I don't either. I just can't believe I can see like I and I know they're they're different players. They're very different players. I get that. But I am reminded a lot of Cam Newton with Winston, with how much he was screwed. Jam Newton is not a bad player. He's a good player. He's I mean,

he's taken the Panthers to the playoffs two years. He's gonna get an extension. I think I think Winston could be Newton. Where the second pick in the twenty fifteen NFL drafts, the Tennessee Titans select Marcus Mariotto. Mariotte seven months. There's only two dudes. It's two quarterbacks. Roger Lord So, two quarterbacks off the board. First time since twenty twelve we had quarterbacks go one two. Sixth time in history we've had quarterbacks go one two. See, this is what

first time since luck and RG three? Correct, this is what kind of this just shows you though, what happens. And you said it earlier. There's a reason why Tampa in Tennessee are picking here right now, and and and and then all of a sudden and more so though in more so though in Tennessee, you got a head coach that's not exactly sitting very pretty there or a general managers. I mean, if you've tied your you're you're you've tied your your maybe your fate to this kid.

But what choice do you have, you know, Leonard Leonard William you could have took that trade. They kind of took that trade. But you have taken in that trade. But I mean, you're again, it was it was Philadelphia. If you feel good, if you feel good about if you feel good about Zach Mettenberg, I mean that's you're talking about a lot of guys who aren't under contract, like the fact like Cox and Bradford aren't gonna fox Bradford. But could those guys help your overall team. I mean,

I'm not feeling a lot better about Sam Bradford. And tell you the church the thing with Sam Bradford, keep it, keep Sam Bradford out, But he's foxing Kendricks and knows well. Cox is a one year guy that's a thing. You gotta resign. Tools done playing basically, and the picks were Philadelphia the twentieth pick in the first round, first round next year, and the fifty second pick. I actually, I take that back. I guess Cox would be a two year guy if they picked up his option last week. Okay,

so you got two years from Fletcher. Let's remember he's a Tennessee Titan four. Now look, Jacksonville Jaguars, this has gotta be Dante Fowler. We've talked. Don't rule out of Cooper here. I'm with you. Fowler makes the most sense. In my opinion, I'm hitching my wagon to the bruglermobile over here. Jacksonville picked all those wide receivers last year. Also, you gotta go they got Mark eas Lee last year. That's true, Alan Robinson and Hearns. That's an undrafted free

agency they hit on defensive. Head coach Jacksonville knew exactly the direction they were going, in my opinion, but they when they sat there said, okay, fine, you guys talk about those quarterbacks. I think that we saw Jacksonville play last year. Jerry Sullivan I was not bad. The receivers are not bad. Jackson He's got a lot of young guys. I think they need defensive help here. Yeah. Hey, and Fowler was my was my was my third guy on

the board. Architect, the architect of that Seattle defense is the guy making this picks. And of course they in free agency, they signed Julius Thomas, so they got their big tight end. That Actually, all right, I'm off the Cooper train now, I didn't. I forgot about Julius Thomas. Fowler makes a lot of sense. Justus Bradley wants his pass rusher last year, Marks Lee, that's another that's another program. That's let's keep in mind one foot in the parking

lot at this time last year. Who who thought it was gonna be playing Bortles? You know, yeah I did because that was my number one quarterback. But did you think they played it? You think Jacksonville is gonna take him? Yes, jackson Well, I did. For the we did for the media masses out there. It was very surprising because Jacksonville played it so close to the vest. Absolutely, I wasn't surprised. The Manzell hype and that stuff. I wasn't surprised Bortles

went high. I was surprised Jacksonville went that direction because they kept that so secreted. Well, that's David Calwell down there. Believe that's what that's secretive. Polling Disciple Polling was always one of those guys, and it was easy for them to meet with Bordles and work him out with anybody knowing it because he's at Central Florida there in Jacksonville.

That's kind of refreshing that an NFL team in this day and age can still kind of keep their cards close to the vest because there's so many sources, well, not a lot of people covering the team, and a small market I've worked I've worked at when they used to have two guys Pete Priscoe and John Osher with only two guys that met, theres a few more now it might be a few more and Jacksonville and free agency.

The most notable pickup was Jared Addrick defensive end. But Dante Fowler has been saying for weeks that he thinks he's going to Jacksonville. Future makes Leonard Williams not as much of a need out there. And I know we only talk about picking this early. It's not about in need, about talent. Dante Fowler's one heck of a talent. Speaking of Cowboy free agents, Jeremy Parnell will be lining up at tackle for them this year. Exactly right, that's right. I don't know if he'll be on the right side

or the left side. I was right. They did draft joke, they did. You're right, yeah, Brian, you know I like my stats. I know you do. Okay, d you watch the tape too? Oh, no, of course. But Jamis Winston. He is only the second redshirt sophomore quarterback to be drafted top twenty. Ever, the first was not Johnny Manzil because he went like twenty two or exactly. The first was about fifteen years ago, now, kid out of Virginia Tech. Oh, Michael Vick, Michael Vick. That's right. He was the first

retrod sophomore quarterback to be drafted number one overall. Jameis Winson the second. Wow, they've they're getting out of commercial break on NFL network, and so that means the commissioner will make his way to the podium. Very sick. Yeah, we saw it again. We saw Jacksonville live. They just don't have enough. They didn't have any dynamic. The pass wrong, I mean, that's what you know. The game started well for him, and then what happened? It just did They

couldn't they couldn't generate. That's the classic. It's like name five Jacksonville Jaguars and you're like, I don't know. By the way, you can tweet us at the draft show if you have any questions, and we're monitoring that and we'll answer your tweeted to questions as well as we uh mosey along here. You got Bill Jones, Brian brought us, Dane Bruegler, David Hellman, We'll have some others are working it as well as we take potty breaks as we go along the way here. But it's a marathon, it is.

It's not a sprint. It's a marathon. We got Jacksonville number three, followed by Oakland and Washington, and again it's the two quarterbacks have gone pretty much as expected, Winston and Mariota. I'm really in tu if we're assuming foulers the pick here. I'm really intrigued by what happens after because I mean, Leonard Leonard Williams best player in the draft, right that? Yeah? I think, well on your board is he he's number one? Right? You get to pair the

best player in this draft with Khalil Mack. I just think that sounds dynamite for the Oakland Raiders. And I'm terrified for Raiders fans, not that I have any stake, but they deserve to have a good team after however many years it's been. I just think that's the most Raiders thing I've ever heard, to go get a flat like there's value at help but helped, but helped the quarterback and if the computer comes, you can help the quarterback.

In the second round, with the third pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguards select Dante Fowler Junior. There he goes, that's Dante Holar junior. Three for three in the Monk Draft. I feel good. There you go, perfect score for Dane Brugler in his draft. Hey, there's not some people that now now comes. Now comes the real and by the way, Oakland is now on the clock. Yeah, and Oakland again, we've talked about a couple different things.

And for your folks that are I see some folks on h that are tweeting at the draft show. We do not control the war room cam. That what you see is the space when I actually don't see you see us when they are when they got it the camera cook. Yeah, and this is when they would let us look, you know, like why let me tell you this from my experience, there might be some more discussions going on there making sure going through us. So they're afraid about lip readers, Well they could very well be.

I mean, if we do our shows talking cowboys, and I always put my hand because folks are really good, let me ask you this. Yeah, is there someone here at Valley Ranch who's monitoring all of the other nfl FELL websites to see if they can get any tips from anybody anywhere. Well, I'll tell you that when I was in pro personnel, I mean that was what I was trying to my best to have as much information.

We didn't have the access to Twitter and Internet. I mean there were certain guys that you followed beat writers that you might have liked insight and give you a little insight. But I believe what's going on in the war room right now is like I said, with it being covered and we'll get eating. Well they could they again, it could be just as it could be just talking about the catering right out there, how they're going to handle handle this when it gets down, is everybody once

again comfortable with whatever player? You know, it's in the direction. Maybe they're running through a couple of last minute things and then we'll go right to that, all right. Uh. And if the Cowboys wanted to trade up, how how far do you think they could go? I mean, if they wanted to Todd Gurley or something. How much ammunition do they have to go up? How far? It's an interesting question. I mean, you think about the needs of this team, has uh, the picks they have available to him,

and how far you have to go? I mean, you know, the steam on Todd Gurley has just been gathering. And not mean I'm using that as a hypothetical, but he has climbed from first round to top twenty to top fifteen. I saw him as high as twelve earlier this afternoon. Uh. And you get into this scenario where I mean, you're either talking about giving away future picks or more excuse me, mouthful,

mortgaging this entire draft to get up there. I mean, let's say San Diego and Miami are the first plausible options to take a running back and to make that high of a jump, you're talking about giving away second rounders third. I mean, you could be if it's a running if it's a running back, you're probably gonna have to get ahead of San Diego. You have to go to Houston. It's how about Miami though, that's and I mean they are linked to Gurley, but they can't go

that high. And in my opinion, I mean, if they package their first and second round pick, they could possibly get to sixteen. If Houston was a willing soul. It's theory ically possible. But you get into should you do that? And I think the answer a lot of the last three years, they've basically they've traded up significantly, giving up a top one hundred pick. The Clayborne deal had traded a second, and then last year trading a third to

move up in the second round. We've been seeing trade rumors earlier today that the Cowboys might want to acquire Michael Brockers from Saint Louis. But how about that though we were in the parking lot. Yeah no, And granted the Cowboys dismissed it completely, but it's just funny to me that they could have had Michael Brockers if they hadn't been jumping around in the first place, So I'm

against trading up unless it's a very favorable deal. Quickly go around Williams or Cooper is for this pick for the Raiders. I go Cooper and the pick is in, Okay, I'm going Cooper, and then I think I think it should be well. And the other thing Kevin White. There's there's a lot of so called experts out there who have Kevin White above Maury Cooper. I just think that if you it's Cooper, he's such such a smooth player, made the way he the trade offen. Yeah, I really

really like him a lot. We talked about helping out that quarterback. You have to and you do. You do it. The thing is, it's it's tough because Leonard Williams to me is the best player in this draft. I agree with you there, but but you have to help out that. You have to help out your quarterback. And I think Maori Cooper is I hate using the word safe when it comes to the NFL Draft. He is one of the safer picks this year. I think you know what

you're getting. You pair him with Michael Crabtree, who the Raiders signed all of a sudden. Derek Carr has some tools to work with. What if I told you you could have Leonard Williams anchoring your defense and go get like DGB at the beginning of the second round, that do anything for you. I'm not big on DGB. I know he's scary, but there are other I mean, if he's not your cup of tea, there are other wide receivers. I think. I think recent drafts have proven that there's

value to be had there and wide receiver. I mean, I can't argue with it. Yeah, I mean, you spend a high pick on a back, you should get him some help. But I don't know. I haven't been in love Dave got We we saw that team live. It didn't know two years ago. We didn't know last year the camp. Yeah, trading kid, it kind of kicked the Cowboys butts. But but but no weapons. So really at the receiver spot, I mean, yeah, Derek, you're right Carr. I thought Derek Carr played his butt off, and I

think you have to help him. I think you have to find a way to try and help him. This could be a little bit of the LSU Homer in me, but I just have never I'm not in love with Amari Cooper that's I mean, I don't think he you talk about do you see him making Pro Bowls? And you know, I don't see him being a Megatron type guy. And that's the type that's what you're looking for when you draft the receiver this high. John Gruden made an interesting comparison and he called him Tim Brown. Reminded him,

that's a nice comparison. That was the best comparison I have heard yet. He's a faster Tim Brown, though Tim Brown was never a guy that could really haul him. I mean, yeah, he made as far as that type of speed. So what we were thinking we thinking receiver here were thinking offense. I'm going Cooper, where is my best player? I can understand. Fifteen NFL Draft, The Oakland Raiders select Amari Cooper. There you go, yeah, wide receiver Alabama.

So so far this draft is going according to form as the hated Washington Redskins are now on the clock the number five pick. And if you're the Redskins that picked in a while, have they this? Yeah? And this couldn't have worked out better for them to get that. Williams You go, I mean, well what about an offensive lineman here? Though? Where does where? I mean where do where do you play Williams? If you're the Redskins three to four, he's your five technique. I mean, he's your Wow.

Do you think that's the kind of a waste playing him as at? Yeah? But does J. J. Watts more of a linear kind of a guy though. Williams, he seems like he's meant to be in a four three to me, Yeah, I'd see him like playing that three on the shoulder up the field coast. Is it plausible to think Washington passes two and your number one is all of a sudden sitting there at six. I think we have to look at what do we talked about all? All?

Along with Washington? They want to trade back. Yeah, the best players on the board right now, if Mom draft, I'm the bear down Chicago Bar. I'm thinking about getting up there right That phone is buzzing right now. Yeah, if you look at if you look at Redskins needs outside linebacker, safety, potentially a wide receiver or quarterback was also something that we had kind of worked on. Looking again at offensive lineman as well. You know, I don't know you talk about the guys they brought in. Vic

Beasley is a guy they brought in. Uh, let's see who else was another guy? Anybody of substance and Litterard Williams Terd Williams was one of their visits. This is redk this is the Redskins. So I mean, if he's that good, you find something to do it. I just think that they they're offensive line. I think they have to, you know. And this is where I think, this is where shuff I feel good about taking SUREF five. I think that you don't like Chriff No, no, I like him.

I like it. I'm fine. I'm fine with him. I'm fine with him as going to the reds I think he's a guard. I don't think he's a tack tic a guard fifth overall, and he's a right tackle. He well, he plays he plays left tackle in the NFL. Is he a right tackle? Dane, I wouldn't play it right. I wouldn't play the tackles his arm. He's a guard. But I'm not sold on this at all. Based on what you're saying, they might. It'll be interesting to see

what they list him at they might list him. That'll give you a little bit of a clue if they in fact draft him. But I I wouldn't be surprised they went offensive line here. I really really wouldn't. I agree with you. A sheriff to that was a mess was in my mock draft, but Leonard Williams was not available, and so I think that it's hard to pass on Leonard Williams here. It's just it's tough to do and

you're picking top five. And what the Redskins have done in free agency, They've signed several defensive lineman Ricky Jean Franz Swi from Indianapolis, Terry to Denver, Stephen Pia from Chicago. There you go. See. I just think, you know, when you talk about the Redskins and you look their offensive line, we saw that at the end of the year. Do you think he's like a Zach Martin type beat He's not, so you can take five overall. He's not. But that's

what you just took Marcus Mariota too. Don't you take best player available? Maybe he's the best player on their board. I bet he's not. I bet this is gonna be Leonard Williams and you figure it out. Yeah, I just I just don't see. I mean, I'm watching that team and I'm looking at those offensive linemen, and I'm Corey Lichtensteiger at center. Uh oh, their line is not good. I'm not trying to argue that it is. Yeah, I mean Chester right guard. Um. The Virginia kid they drafted

last year was yep, um, Moses Moses. Thank you? Yeah, who do they have done as right tackle for them? But right tackle? Art you're looking at I'm looking at right Yeah it's Moses, Okay. More and then remember Tom Compton? Yeah, Tom, remember the Columbia. Yeah, they were playing. They were playing with a bunch of just bad guys to picks in right now? Is for the Redskins. I just very interesting. Just as much as I love and he was a visit, as much as I love Williams Man, I just that

offensive line was bad. You know you know something. No, I'm just I'm looking at too. I'm looking at their offensive line. Dave. Now, you're you're right. Nothing you are saying is wrong. It's my job to a guy. It's just the Leonard. It's just what do you always say, don't you take? Don't you want best player available? Over going for a need just because he needed he visited. But they might not think that way. They might think about how they had what is their biggest investment? Who

is their biggest investment? Robert R. G three better find a way to keep his butt upright. Yeah, you're not wrong. Jordan Harper tweets in get ready for the runner to go at six? Girlie to the jet. Now, that would be stunning, That would be stunning, would be stunning. I just I again, seeing the Redskins played twice a year, it just it makes sense to me. Does it makes sense? No, you're absolutely it makes sense. It also tells you why they were trying to trade out of this spot. But

they are picking right now. Twitter. Twitter has tipped it, and it is schurf not to ruin the sustain draft. The Washington Redskins select Brandon Schriff tackle whatever you say, hats I had it in my mos. I'm okay. Clearly the Redskins were tuned into Dallas Cowboys dot com and he did the advice of Briants Bran. Let me tell you what though, I just told you the biggest investment they had was that quarterback. They're also they're only tied

to him for two more seasons. They I mean, you don't know if he's your line, tell me what they listed him as. If you could up there they're gonna show maybe we can pull it up on the internet. Yeah, I wonder if they're going to listen to as a tackle or a guard. I have he's listed as a tackle. It doesn't matter when NFL network says, yeah I think or they might list him as a sprinter and you have a seven o seven cone drill or something ridiculous like that as one of the better ones. Can we

can we in the Cowboys organization? Can we take this as an opportunity to pat us on the back? Is this? Is this an example of NFL teams playing copycat, trying to go get a dominant guard like Zach Martin. Well, I think that Tom kaugh would set it after one of they did games, he said, hey, we need to be more like the Dallas cowp Yeah, we need to find a way to run the football, protect a football and be like that Zach Martin. That's what and that's my point. Yeah, what he did last year. Who knows

if they might play him right tackle. It's possible. Yeah, definitely, it's possible they might play me tackle. Take a look at him at many camp and see what he and he played left tackle the last three years, did pay three starts as a left guard his first year at IOWA. All I've heard all spring is that Leonard Williams is the truth. I just can't believe it. Of course, Zach

Martin played left tackle at Notre Dame. If you're the Chicago Bears, even though they drafted two defensive tackles last year, I would be trying and get the hell up there and get that guy. All right, So you think Todd Bowles is happy New York on the clock right now? Todd Bowles, former Cowboys assistant coach. That's three four defense though too again right, and they don't you look at their needs? Uh? Is Leonard Williams a no brainer here? Or could they go in a different direction? And you

know what I mean? Atlanta moved to three four, So now you're talking about we heard they were trying to trade Wilkerson earlier today. Defensive end, they have Wilkerson and Sheldon richardson right now? Is their ends. Those are two above average starters in the league. But so it doesn't

sound like a team that needs Leonard Williams. But Muhammad Wilkerson has been rumored as being on the trade bull absolutely, So if Leonard Williams is the pick here, I think there's a good shot we see Wilkerson delt at some point this weekend. Yeah, Alfred Morris tweets I am a happy camper, which should be absolutely And with Sheriff, we talk about the threshold for arm length being probably about

thirty three in arms to play tackle. He had almost thirty three and a half, so he can play out there, but I don't think you feel comfortable about it. He's a much better guard. You want him inside less space to cover, and you want him playing to his strength, and that's as a run blocker, a guy that can get to the second level, eliminate bodies and just be

a bad guy beat up guys. Really good point that I kind of forgot about there, and the excitement of the pick is who's the offensive line coach with the rest Callahan. Yeah, so that's interesting. Interesting if you look at the Jets, the needs or talk about as the quarterback, the outside linebacker rusher too early for Bud Duprie or maybe Vic Beasley or Vic Beasley, I think bud dupri

is uh definitely in the mix here. Running back would be another one as well, so we've talked about that is what is the potential Todd Gurley at six, any thoughts on that coming off at ACL who do the Jets have Ivory? And they have do they still have Ivory? Let's see, I just looked at the job, so let's look at the Jets. Uh looks like to me running backs Ivory and Ridley Powell would be another one too. I have bud Dupris to the Jets here in my

mock draft. But again Leonard Williams was not available. So they visited Vic Beasley, that was one bud Dupre and visited them as well. So two guys, uh as, let's see if they did anything with the runner at all with Grey. They did not visit Gurley. You go back to Mike mccagnan, the first year general manager. You look back to from Houston, and look what they did to Houston.

They invested in pass rushers, they invested in I mean, they could go in any direction here because you look at Leonard Williams, you look at a bud Dupre, even a Kevin White as a possibility. In Houston, they drafted you know, DeAndre Hopkins in the first round. Um, you know mccagnan was there when they drafted Andre Johnson, so I can't rule out wide receiver here. Leonard Williams, bud dupre. I think that's that's where we're looking and what they've

done with their defense and free agency. Of course they have signed Durrell Rivas as well as Antonio Cromarty from the Cardinals. They've taken a lot of time here. It might be trying to field some calls. You know, they're they're pretty deep into the clock, right, There's got to be a pretty good a lot of interest in Leonard Williams absolutely. I mean, I think Mike mcagnet is trying to see if in fact something can happen. Let's see, uh,

and then it gets there. We're looking live into the Jets war room, which is bad for you guys here. When you get when you get down to sixty seconds, that means you're talking to people, right, you're trying. You're trying, you're trying to shop the pick, and then it gets down in it. If you don't have the satisfactory trade potential, then the GM will say hand the card in and then you go, is there a cut off? I mean, what second mark do you have to be like, hey,

put the phone down. I think we we one time got yelled at by the league for doing a trade, the Roy Williams trade, the Roy Williams the safety trade. We got a little close with Kansas City and Minnesota. That's one of those things that Chris Hall said, hey, did he may turn in that trade next to you know, Stephen Jones is diving on the table, hitting the hitting the speaker phone there on the table to get the trade. And then the league callback said, don't ever do that again.

So was it? That was it? That? It was pretty? It was pretty Yeah, it was pretty conversation. We've got the Jets followed by Chicago, Atlanta and the New York Football Giants are picking at number nine, Jets at number six. Okay, where would you play Leonard Williams again? If you uh, if if in fact that he went, now, this is our best player and the three four defense. You think about how Todd Bowles used Darnell Dockett in Arizona. That's

what I looking at. That's a great example right there. Yeah, but again looking at the Jets roster, they have Sheldon Richardson, they have Muhammad Wilkerson. Of course, Bowls didn't even have docket this last year's right, um, and they we've had one of the best defenses in the league, Tommy Kelly in that role. Could it be that the player is just the best player on the board. I mean, like we've talked about it. It's just okay, we'll take this player and find a spot for him. You're not gonna

feel bad about drafting Leonard Williams. I think you would find a spot for Leonard Williams if you had the opportunity. I remember, the other thing interesting about the Jets is they have a need for a quarterback. Yes, And as we get to the Cowboys pick at twenty seven later in the round, the Jets in the second round pick at number thirty seven, and they if they are interested in a Bred Huntley or the pick, they will do the math for you. Give me the he's got the chart.

We're ready to roll on if they I I'm I've gone on the record as saying I don't think the Cowboys pick tonight, So anything along those lines. So you're saying it's gonna get down to twenty seven and we're gonna be talking about somebody else's pick. Probably, I just I just have a feeling. So what the Jets pick at thirty seventy seven, I'll pick that as five spots five hundred thirty thinks they'd give up their four at

one oh four would match it. The Cowboys pick at twenty seven is worth six hundred and eight points, So you're talking about a difference of one hundred and fifty points. So the Jets would need you need to make up one hundred and fifty points whether they're one oh four pick in the fourth round eighty six and still still a little light, still a little light. What's their third round? Their third round pick is worth two hundred and forty seven and we're talking about which is slip it? Something

we talked about before we came on the airs. Maybe you could flip and exchange third round picks. So but you don't you give the Jets your or your fourth round picks? Excuse me, You give the Jets your pick at the back end of the fourth and move up into the early fourth maybe something like is that worth? It doesn't really sound like going down ten spots here's the commission. Doesn't really sound like it when you put it on paper. Good New York Jets slacked Leonard william

Here we go. Ye there is great hair it. Yeah, but no, this does create some questions about Mohammed Wilkerson. Is he on the block? What are they plan to do with with Leonard Williams. You can't pass on the best player available in my opinion, here from Mike mccagnen for Todd Bowls for this for the new regime there with the Jets, it's a home run. Yeah. I think you said it too about how to use the player

with Dockett. You know, I think when you do these types of things, you have to have a vision for the player, and I think that's what Mike mccagnan and Todd Bowles, you know, they have that and that's good. And then Mike and I go way back to the NFL Europe days. He was general manager young man at the London Monarchs that won a championship in nineteen ninety. So I'm really proud of him. He's got his first

general manager's job in the league. But Leonard Williams to me is a no brainer as it is because of the talent of the talent. Now you talked about the scheme fits and things like that, You know, how that how that can all play out. We'll see And Leonard Williams six five, three hundred two pounds sub five flat forty four nine seven and uh, just just following the college football season, I remember on Saturday nights see in twitters from college football fans. So yeah, Leonard Williams is

the best football player in America. Maybe the most interesting number when it comes to Leonard Williams twenty. It's his age. He doesn't turn twenty one until the summer, so June twentieth. A player that he just love the upside. You love not only who he is right now, but what he will continue to grow into the player he'll be for you down the road. And Chicago is on the clock

the number seven pick. Just to review, Winston went to Tampa Bay, Mariota to Tennessee, Dante Fowler to Jacksonville, Cooper to Oakland, Shurf to Washington, Williams to the Jets. We've had no trade so far. Do you expect a lot of trades as we go along? Though, that's interesting that we haven't had one. I'm kind of disappointed right now, if I'm being honest, just in terms of the entertainment value of the first round and see that that always happens.

Though all we all talk big about up and down the board, and maybe you'll have some some at the back end if some of these offensive lineman get down to a certain point somebody says, hey, I got to dive back in. But overall, teams just pretty much this is our board. We're gonna pick our board and then go from there. So yeah, don't ruin my fun. No, I'm not trying to ruin your fun at all. And you know, but I am saying though that to me

and the Bears very quickly. And the Bears one of their needs, one of their needs was wide receiver Kevin White. Yea quarterbacks. Yeah, so this this looks like to me, Yeah, this has got Kevin White. I've written all over it. Not the TCU cornerback Kevin White, this would be the

West Virginia wide receiver Kevin White. Yeah. They've talked about again, that's another team that we had the you know we got to see last year live, you know, and now they lose what Brandon Marshall's gone now and so you could lose Brandon Marshall in three months later replace him with Kevin White. Al Shan Jeffrey and Kevin White is not a bad duo, although they are apparently looking at shopping and Marty b the former Cowboys. So yeah, that

is fascinating. Too early to take Wayne's here though, the corner from Michigan State, that was something a little bit of an issue that they had. Yeah, I mean he took a corner last year in the first round with Kyle Foolery. You could double up and go corner again, but not with Brandon Marshall no longer in town. Alshon Jeffrey is your your top receiver? Eddie Royal is there too, he is, and with with Kevin White, it just comes down to again you're talking about best player available and

a player that really instantly helps your offense. Yeah, helps, Jay Cutler, did you see a players a lot of help? Did you see a player though, that played with that type of speed Kevin White? No, No, I think everyone was Florida by that four three five that he ran at the combine. No one expected that. But he wasn't slow on film, but he didn't run a fourth three did But did you feel like did he separated like the other I mean, was he like you know, the

Coopers the Parkers guys like that. You know that he wasn't a consistent separator, but he was so good at catching the ball, even when guys are draped all over him. When the ball's up in the air. I have the utmost confidence exactly exactly I mean, I I like to play. I just didn't see a guy that I was. You know when when I went in before the combine and watching him play, I didn't see a guy that played that fast. I did see quarterback issues. They did a

ton of them, a ton of them. That that quarterback lace trick trick. It was awful. Let's just go I'll say that. And so there's times when you they talk about the other Kevin White the TCU game. He had a good game, But then you look at trick and I remember the game, the balls all over the place, White White got open. The other one point that they weren't even throwing the ball at the end of the game.

They were running the ball against tc How did these two of Cooper and White compared to Evans, Watkins, Beckham. That's something I'm sure we'll be talking about the next few months. I feel bad for these guys because those three set the standard for what a rookie. Ro Sandri did a nice job too, coming in there the third round. Yeah, or don't have to be the LSU Homer right now. I love being LS homer or a rookie receiver. He had a great season, had a great season with four receivers.

Rookie receivers over a thousand yards last year. Usually wide receivers is the toughest position transition the NFL. It usually takes the longest time. With last year, we got spoiled with those that rookie class. Yeah, and you had Brandon Cooks got hurt, got hurt, right or else he'd be in that mix all right here, Roger, where's the seven? I think? Yeah, NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Kevin White.

Here we go. They're happy about it in Chicago that we've been right on with our picks as we've gone along here. Well, it's I think it's gonna be. It's to me. The Williams won through us. Yeah, I think that's the Williams went through us. But when you start talking about, you know, these teams, I can get through you, Brian,

I think the rest of us had littered. Oh I yah know you guys haven't did the Raiders though, you guys have no not Originally I'm saying, as we went along here, once the picks started coming off, I think you made it. You made a great point about Amari Cooper. You just couldn't rule it out there for for Oakland helping the quarterback. Yeah, I thought that all along right right, And Atlanta is on the clock. Now we're gonna see edge rusher here, maybe Bud, Bud and Vic those are

just like those are pass rushers. You can't rule out the running back here. I like better as a pass rusher, Vic Beasley or Bud Dupree tast rusher from the right. It depends how they're used, because Beasley is I mean, he's explosive when he's in space. So if you're gonna use him in space, you know, let him run circles around blockers. He can do that. Um, So, depending on

how they're used, I would lean Beasley there, I would too. Brian, our dear friend of the show, John Nelson, wants us to do the Draft show live Draft from London next year. What do you think what it's two o'clock in the morning over there. The folks over there to listen, God bless you. They impressed me. Were talking the planet. We were talking about them. Matter of fact. Dave's like, because all the like, all the all the London fans were all the Bridge fans were all up and they were

they were firing questions. They're not just up, they're like you think that they're gms, Like they're so in tune and so passionate about the draft and hello to them all. Yeahs. Absolutely. What's the time difference right now? It's a sixth hour or maybe is it seven from the Central time zone. I'm sure John Neilson will let us know be a Twitter. It's one or two o'clock in the morning, which I go to bed. Guys, the pixel the Cowboys on the Cowboys don't go on the clock for another two or

three hours. By the way, the first round last year was three hours and forty minutes. So and Cam Cam Cam in Sydney, Australia is telling us it's eleven am over there. So yeah, man, that's eight pm approaching eight o'clock. So we got Cowboys fans in Hong Kong as well, apparently Hong Kong, Sydney, London. I know there's a fan somewhere out there in Denmark, which is insane to me. Wait to go, guys, y'all Germany. We had a call once from Germany, we did and he it was um

who did he want to know about? It was? It was Lankford, Jeremy Lamford, who's like not even a big name, just like a run of the mill running back. John says. It's one fifty five in the morning in London. God bless you. Kudos cool everybody out there for hanging out. Was again if you're tuning in for I know a lot of folks on our Twitter page the draft show.

We do not have control of the war room cam, the Dallas cat when when they when they unveil the cam, Kent Garrison and a crew in there will get you on board with what's going on. Right now we're looking at it. There's still a gray cover over the top of it. Kind of surprising to be honest. I mean, you're not missing much other than Jerry, Stephen and Garrett kind of like some small talking and smiling at each other.

But yeah, it is surprising that we're into the meat of this first round and they haven't taken this sheet off the screen yet. Yeah, so as soon as that happens, we will get to it. That's not something we're doing. It's not something to do with the feed. That's the dalla. We can see. It's a piece of paper sitting over the screen right exactly. But that's that's the whole thing. So all right, what the Falcons have done in free agency,

They've signed Adrian Clayborne from Tampa Bay. O'Brien Schofield came with the new head coach of the Falcons, Dan Quinn from Seattle, Brooks Read from Houston, and of course Justin Durant, the linebacker from the Cowboys, got a three year, ten point eight million dollar deal. They've done on offense, they signed Leonard Hankerson and that's the only one of note

couple of tight ends Jacob Tammy and Tony Milwyaukee. I think damn near every Cowboy free agent that left this past year went to a team that's on the twenty fifteen schedule. Yeah, not that it really matters. Feel out of hugging up before the it I mean not you know, it's just a tid, but it's not really doesn't mean anything,

but it is interesting. They're all gonna wind up back here one way or another, you know, and and again we talk about the Falcons and you could go a couple of different ways here, but we the offensive line was but the pass rusher though, really, I mean we you know Vick Beasley. You're just your thoughts about Vick Beasley as well. And I know we've talked about bud Dyupree, but just your thoughts about Vic Beasley. Extremely productive at Clemson, a player that he is a little light in the pants.

So he was. He was a running back when he first started, then he moved to tight end, then they moved him over to defense, where he was a pass rusher. Thirty three sacks over his career, fifty two and a half tackles for loss. You do you do worry about the length a little bit, only thirty two and a half inch arms, But he blew up the combine. Yeah, I mean what he did with four five three forty thirty five bitch rap, which was surprised. Surprised well, and

even even the two forty six his weight. I talked to a scout who visited Clemson in the fall, and he told me he was a two twenty so two forty six. In February and you wondered, Okay, two forty six, that's a great number. But Kenny sustained the speed, the explosiveness at that number, and the numbers say that he can forty one inch vertical ten ten broad jump six nine one three cone. So the numbers are standing and they match what you see on tape. Yeah, but I

do worry about the point of attack strength. He can be washed out of the play at times in the run game by by blockers. So not a player that is not a power player. But again, he can run. He can run circles around blockers. He has that type of athleticism. And so with in dan Quinn's defense in Atlanta, I like to fit there. Okay, but tell me from a scouting standpoint what this says to you about both

these players. Because we talked about the Beasley combined numbers forty one vertical ten ten broad jump, those other numbers, Alvin bud Dupree forty two vertical eleven six broad jump ran a four to five six at two hundred and sixty seven pounds as opposed to two forty six. I think bud dupre to me, is more of a left defensive end. If you want to play. They played the right side at Kentucky. Yeah, well, he played a lot

on the strong side. I mean he went back and he was really an outside linebacker and some of his best work was actually standing up rush. In the past weeks, we're Beasley to me is a screamer off the edge, hand down. You talk about ice cream flavors, you know these passes. These are two good pass rushers, different flavors. They offer different things, So it depends on how you want to use them. And I think for what Atlanta wants to do, Beasley better fits what dan Quinn wants

to do one. Yeah, exactly. You talk about dan Quinn in Seattle. You deal with all that edge pressure, hand down guys coming off the edge. Vic Beasley to me makes a lot more sense than say Bud dupre who I do like Bud Dupree just in that same area, though maybe a little bit better than Vic Beasley, because I thought he could play the left side. You know, you're right. I saw Beasley get washed some of these games. It's a great example of how much this whole process

changes from January to May. Because Bud was probably the first guy, one of the first guys at least who really kind of a lot of links to the Cowboys came out like maybe he falls as far he fits the need here, and now we're talking about him maybe being a top ten pick, and certainly, you know it would be a monumental upset if he's even in the Cowboys range. Here's the commissioner with the eighth pick in

the twenty fifteenth NFL drafts. The Atlanta Falcons select Vic Beasley. There, Vic Beasley, and I agree, I think he was the perfect fit for them. Yeah, that's a that's a team though again you know they just did not they were where they were worse than the league last year in sacks. So you know, Vic Beasley, the weight of Georgia is now on his back. It's funny. Here's a Clemson man, hopefully come to say the Atlanta Falcons playing about a two and a half hour drive, and that's what that

would be less. But again, you're talking about a team that really really struggled to rush the passer last year. Vick Beasley will give him all right. So the New York Football Giants are on the clock the number nine pick in the first round. So last night I was throwing some darts to see what we see, what will come up with these picks? You were chumming some water. Yeah, six right, so far, I'll take that. Not bad. Yeah, you know, Leonard Williams did not see that coming. Do

not see that coming? But what he did. I am happy with six for eight so far. Well and the miss two yeah exactly. Well, that's I'll tell you what though. The Giants, I think they have to feel a little disappointed that. Sure if this is not on the board right there, you know, it's a team that can could surely you have who do you have the Giants taken? I had them taken Amari Cooper, so obviously that will I will not be seven for nine. But but a lot of people had Shurff going to the Giants, right

and so we talked about this earlier with Coughlin. Yeah, he said it himself, being a little upset that Shriff's off the board here. So I think we still go offensive line here at nine. I don't know if they would go offensive line because I don't see you know, could they go Flower? I mean, who's your Okay, Collins might have been their pick. Yeah, that's saying you've got pew. I mean you just take want to kick him in the guard though, right, I mean they need they need

tackle help is really what's that's yeah, is trying. They're They're a lot like the Washington Redskins last year when you watched him play. Remember what a train wreck that was. There's I think there's a very real correlation between what the Giants are right now and what the Cowboys were three or four years ago. I mean, you know you can win with your quarterback. Uh, it's a matter of

him not having a whole lot around him. So I mean you go get him Beckham a New York I think if it is offensive line, who would it be here, Pete. I tell you what, I would not be surprised they take flowers. Yeah, I mean, hey, and you know you watch him play. He is a maller brawler, and that's how the Giants play. They play with that maller brawler style of offense. Tom Coughlin wants to not pretty, but you play him. I think they can play left tackle though. I mean to me, I'm just I'm just kind of

reading some notes here. Likely to move Richburk back to Richberk back to center, look to add a guard, d go back, go over to the side. Then they want to move a pew back to guard. So maybe maybe you'll play the right tackle. Yeah, so they may. They could treat it like the Cowboys did with Tyren Smith, had the rookie played the right side, with the idea that he'd moved to the left side once he learned the NFL. With Flowers, could have he used another year

at Miami. Yes, he could have used some more seasoning. But you have a player that you have a lot to work with. You do see some stiffness, you do do see some flaws, but he is a tough sob. I mean he is a finisher. I mean once he gets his hands on you and he plays on his feet. But I think guy, and you know the reps. What was the reps on him? Was he was? He a thirty rep guy? Really surprising about I thought of talking about Flowers, Flowers Flow Flowers was thirty seven. See that's

what I'm saying. This is a this is not really related. But with the number of dudes that you is about to put in the league this year, you think they they were bad team six and seven bad a good team where where we're all these just blew me away. I looked this up earlier. Assuming Flowers is the pick here or in the next few picks, it'll be the first time a Miami Hurricane is drafted top twenty since two thousand and five. For a marquee program like that.

I mean, you go a decade without there's still top three a number of players in the NFL, and to say, I mean if they haven't run the run they had in the nine eighties, nineties and then early two thousands. Yeah, that Flowers, by the way, he was a starter his last two years at left tackle. He started twelve games

at right tackle his first year. Yeah. You speaking of free agents playing the Cowboys, Dwayne Harris now in New York Giants, it's just so much, there's so much to do with this offensive line and it gets suriff going off. I think that hurt the Giant. I'm willing to bet that they've got They've got an offensive lineman, but I don't have a guard. I don't have somebody. But if you can move Pew to guard, does that help? I mean, well, pu helps a guard. Now I need a tackle. Well

that's for this, it's Flowers. But I guess I'm saying is there's not another offensive tackle. I mean, that's and here we go. It looks like the Commissioner head into the Flowers, maybe Pete. I mean, it's gonna be an offensive tackle. If I had to guess, I think good flowers, better feet. NFL draft the New York Giants select Eric Flowers Miami. You don't even need to be watching the Commissioner. You can just hear it right here. Big Brian brought it down. Eric Flowers out of Miami is a New

York Giant. I mean, and you know I'm not I don't watch anywhere near as much tape as you do, so I'm not trying. I'm not saying this guy's can't miss. But if he does what you think he's gonna do, I mean, you took him in the top ten, so you think he's a Day one starter who's gonna be good if he does that. I mean, we've talked about this in the office before just shooting the breeze. I think the Giants are like, they're looking like they're taking

a step up in my opinion. I mean, you always I don't think you count the Giants out if you, I mean, what are they I mean, they got the quarterback they had. They Oh yeah, we think they have a quarterback. We know Eli Manning can win. I know a lot of Cowboys fans don't want to hear it. He can. Yeah, if you fix your offensive line, give him some time to throw. You got a decent running back, you got the rookie of the year, and Victor Cruz out wide. Uh you know I yeah, like you said,

I'm not counting the Giants out. I don't think you can afford to do that. My favorite, uh tidbit with with Eric Flowers, the only player in this draft who didn't hire an agent, decided you know what these uh, these picks are already slotted. You know, I don't need an agent right now. I have a great point negotiating going on. Negotiation process is non existent. I'll hire a lawyer to help with the contract stuff, but I don't need to be giving ten percent of my contract. Andre

Johnson did the same thing. Another guy out. Can I ask a question here, and who would you liked better? Flowers or Humphrey from Florida? See that's what or the Giants are in general? Of the two, Well, you like Pete the best? Pete would be your guy. All right. So there are some people who've had Pete listed as they're like one of their top five players in the draft. Okay, but saying okay, now, if you're Saint Louis and I'm going with them now on the clock, this is a team.

When you talk about needs tackle, center, guard, you know, we receiver, defensive tackle. I mean again, there's a team that we saw live last year that it was kind of a just a patchwork group of offensive linemen. Is this when we start seeing a little bit of the run? Uh? Maybe? You know, I hope not for the cowboys sake, because I want those guys sitting there for teams to want to come get. Yeah, it is all right, this is

this too early for DJ for Humphreys from from from Florida. No, because you would take Pete, well I would, yes, But we're gonna see these offensive linemen go quickly because in a draft like this where we don't have those no brain er elite guys at the top, there's gonna be a lot of similar players. You know, the guy you get at ten is gonna be very similar to the

guy you get at twenty five. And and and so if if Humphries goes here, or if he goes into twenties, it's not really big of a jump talent wise, so would not shock me at off. We see humph humphries this early. We got a fan here who is from Hungary. Oh wow, three am local time. Thank you so much. If you're well, if you're listening to us from a cool place, tweet at me and I'll shout you out and like I'm talking not uh you know Dallas somewhere,

you know, give me, give me something impressive. Yeah, because that's pretty cool. If you're watching the draft show from Hungary. Yeah, so I got real quick bill to answer twenty question. Uh, cowboy five man. He's asked any feeling that the Rams would trade out of this position. That's what I was gonna say. We haven't seen a draft or we haven't seen a trade yet. It's it's time we start talking about trades and what's gonna happen here. Tess a big

mover now. Absolutely, he's done in the past and he'll do it again if if the right deal comes around. Who could Yeah? Who behind him with someone looking for Todd Gurley? Yeah, Miami who Oh, it's not too early for Todd Gurley and Parker still out there. We'll see if you worried about if you worried about can they just leave Todd Gurley alone? See if Miami would be the one team that would probably take Gurley at fourteen. Okay, picks already end, So we'll see what that. But yeah,

maybe we're not gonna get any trades. At some point. We'll have a trade at some point. The first let's ask you this though, could and I'm looking at their team needs could they take a runner? I mean Saint Louis. We talked about Mason you think he was not bad to quote he was a second round pick. Second? But how about how about a Bell Cow guy? I mean, is that would that be pom mean you talk about Mason Reynolds Cunningham where it was a guy that was mentioned.

I'd be interested to hear with Kurt Wonders saying right now, I bet he knows what's going on, guy. But yeah, you know this is a team though, Could could this be the could this be the We don't you know, we're looking at a position like the offensive line, but they're really not very good at running back or they're not good at another I mean, there's a scrap to so many wide receivers in the past. That's what I'm saying.

There's a certain point I think for every team where you feel like a talent like Todd Gurley is worth it. It doesn't matter who else is on your roster, it doesn't matter what your depth chart looks like. There is a point for every single team where you know what, Todd Gurley looks awfully tempting right here in front of the Rams. Would Todd Curley be the best player on your board right now? One? Oh yeah, absolutely so you

would have no problem taking Todd Gurley right now. Well, but if you're the Rams, you look at what they've invested in the in the position before with Trey Mason last year. But it's Tray Mason anything. I mean, he got better, he got better down the stretch. I mean he's not He's hell. Here's the other thing is, since they have Trey Mason, they have some other backs. If Girley's not ready at the start of the season, a little good point. And that's the other thing I'm not

I'm not betting against him. I'm not betting against him at all. I think I think he's gonna be ready. Remember, that once upon a time they had Stephen Jackson in Saint Louis for years and years of bell coal back. Yeah right, Todd Gurley, he he Julius Jones. Yeah, he gurly changes your offense. I mean he brings a different identity. He makes defensive coordinators really really game plan for what

you're going to do. Let's Steed is an SEC guy by the way, too went to school at all, that's very and he took and he took, he took Robinson last year. The tackle, by the way, is still penciled in as the left tackle there. Yeah, and checked a guard down the road. Or let's see it, glaring needed right tackle, need a starter overall depth at position, had visited all the top tackles. Yeah, so Barndale Washington listed as their right tackle. Marksdale is at starting tackle last year.

He has not been resigned. I say they're somewhere Nick Foles is, he's wondering, am I gonna get a blocker here? Am I gonna? Am I gonna get a runner here? If he has any consultation with Sam Bradford, he will say, give me an offensive life. I just wouldn't be surprised if if less Sneed and Jeff Fisher just go off the reservation here, I really, I mean I did what constitute's going off the reservation. We don't have him taking a runner, Yeah, I mean we don't have him. But

let's need. An SEC guy will say this. It'd be the first while in the draft that happens. But you like the player, no question, Ready just didn't predict us fit. We're the tenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Saint Louis Ram select Todd Gurley, running back Georgia. To look at that smile, less Sneed is an SEC guy, and you said he was one of your best players on the board. And Less Sneed's Auburn team is the face.

I mean they hurt the defense that knocked him out. Yeah, the reason he won't be on the field to start the season. Probably. We had a lot of conversation about the Cowboys and running backs and draft. How much did you have Todd Gurley over the Melvin Gordon's Steven It was it was tier Tierra alone by himself. Right, I'm

gonna go. I'm gonna say Leonard Williams, Dante Feller, Todd Gurley my top three players on my on my card to argue, yeah, that was my second guessing from a Cowboys perspective, there's no way that the Cowboys been trade from twenty seven to ten. But can we just have a moment and think about what could have been with Todd Gurley? It would have been fun. Let it go, It would have been fun and that song let it Go.

But say, that's what I'm saying though to me, when you start thinking about less Snee, the wild the wild card, it's just who is the best player? And yeah, it goes back to what I was saying about. At some point for every team, Todd Gurley's worth it, and you know he's He's just he's the best talent. It doesn't matter who else is on your roster. At some point you feel comfortable making that pick it. Man, that's a

pretty that's in my backfield. Yeah, the NFC West and hey against better you better have the bat against Yeah, you better have a bat with Minnesota on the clock now, So this is the highest running back has gone since Trent Richardson? Is that right? Overall? So? Well, that beat that puts let's see who goes on the clock and Todd Gurleys Nope, but we didn't think Trent Richardson was in Trent Richardson's right, Trey Wayne's Yeah, this one, to me is a nopera, never going with a cornerback. He's

gonna let me ask you this. That's kind of about in the one Bridgewater is sitting there lobbying for DeVante. This is this is where where I think we well, yeah, absolutely, but I think it's what about Dupre though? What about him with Anthony Barr? Yeah, yeah, Hey, that's great for me. Keep keep the cornerbacks on the board. I don't want people taking cornerbacks because I want the Cowboys to take a defensive end, corner, wide receiver, top three needs for

the Vikings. There you go. I mean how much clout does Teddy Bridgewater have Do you think he could pull that off? Like Tony Romo could walk in there and be like pray in the day. If they don't trade that runner, he's praying right now, that's done, right, We're not If you're the Vikings, He's still gonna make calls. Todd Gurley just went off the board. The Vikings are the one making calls. I think it's the other teams. I'll tell you what the Rams just took Gurley off

the board in front of him. Though, if the Vikings were interested in saying we'll move, that's a great point. Maybe there, maybe they would not take Melvin Gordon, not at a maybe you trade back, trade back. I think that you got to consider Bud Dupree here. I mean or Waynes or Waynes. I've had Waynes all along. But again the defense again, zimmer pressure, give me those guys. And they have signed Michael Wallace and free agency and Terence Newman. He's about forty five years old, but that's

Zach Stacy's still with the Rams too. He's not bad player, yeah, he is still let He's not a cowboy, I know. By the way, Still we're still showing us because they all sec running. They have not uncovered the war rooms, so if you're tuning in for that, it's still all of our mugs on the show right now, trying to get you through this. But looking at the war room,

can they still have the tarp down on it? And as soon as it uslip paper bran, that's not a tarpon, as he gets as soon as he gets lifted, then we will go directly in the real notebook paper over it real quick, and I'll leave it alone. I don't want to dominate it. But since I said what I said about people listening in weird places, Yeah, shouts out to the Netherlands, Sweden, Madrid leads, London, Australia. We got a Bangkok Thailand, Bangkok Thailand and everybody in the US.

I've gotten Honolulu, I've gotten Wisconsin, I've gotten San Diego. You guys are awesome. Way to go all along though, sorry to interrupt you, Bill, let's pick his in. But Wayne's all along though. We've felt like it's going to

be a corner here. I mean that's been I'd say the two that are I mean you hear Waynes to Minnesota and you hear Danny Shelton to Cleveland, which is back to back right here, and I'd feel like those picks have very every time you look at their depth chart and Terrence Newman is penciled in it, Yeah, every every time you look at every time you've looked at

a depth chart that somebody at CBS has done. You know, we didn't do any of the big depth chart excuse me, uh mock drafts, but every time it was Waynes, everybody had Waynes going at this spot, right, and the Vikings I've shown a lot of interest in Waynes. They worked him out there at his pro day. I mean they they've really done a lot of work on here. Just to give you a little bit of ideal, let me look at some of the other corners. Jalen Collins was

a guy that they visited. Uh, let's see who else. Waynes was a guy they visited coming up the board. Uh, Marcus Peters was a potential first round guy that they visited as well. It's something else to consider playing in Minnesota. You have to be able to play in cold weather. Okay, and especially now, well one more years, one more year. But did you go to Green Bay? You go to Chicago exactly that division. But he understands it's here. He grew up in Wisconsin. That's a good point. Went to

Michigan State. He's a big ten player. He knows it was like the playing that the mistake we made in Green Bay with Terrell Buckley a long time ago in nineteen ninety two, with Troy Vincent on the board, we took a player that wasn't used to playing in cold weather at Florida State. Yeah, but don't don't take any kids out of the EU if you're in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Yeah, but this this seems like to me. Initially we said it was it was waynes I mean, yeah, that's really

been the makes sense. It's it's uh talking about one of the best players available at that point, all things point today. Describe the player. You're tall, lanky, a little a little leaner than you want, but he uses his length. Well, he's tough, he'll hit you at the line of scrimmage. He loves the jam um and he's he's strong too. Yeah, he's fast. He knows he's fast too because he'll leave a little bit of a cushion because he knows he can make it up. Or you see him at the

combine at forty, well you could. He was fly. We watched it in the in the in the in the in the our office there and the commissioners going to the podium. Now, but yeah, that easy. That was the eleventh pick in the twenty fifteen NFL drafts, the Minnesota Vikings select Trey Wayne. Yeah, there we go back on track. Yeah, Trey Wayne's out of Michigan State, six foot one hundred eighty six pounder, is a Minnesota Viking, the team with Xavier Rhodes their other Quium Shocked that we have not

seen a trade yet. Shocked Cleveland is up Cleveland with two picks here, twelve and nineteen coming up. Hey, Brian, you've been there before, and you think the Miami Dolphins are just pissed off right now? I would have thrown my pin by now. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I would have thrown my pin. Yeah, and I think that to me though, there's still some outstanding players on the board. Oh, of course you got it, But but you're in the

middle of the board. You're a little bit at the guy that you really were probably set on just got taken out from under you, right, So yeah, I think you have to be a little bit of a little upset by that. But you know, hey, you know, you just take the next guy there and go and go that route. For those who are unable to watch on television as they listen on line, let me recap what's

happened so far as we are through eleven picks. Tampa Bay took Jamis Winston quarterback Florida State, Tennessee, Marcus Mariota quarterback Oregon Jacksonville at number three, took Dante Fowler number four. Oakland took him Ari Cooper, the wide receiver from Alabama. Brandon Shurf, tackle or guard from Iowa, went to Washington. Five. Leonard Williams number six to the Jets, the defensive tackle out of USC He can play anywhere along the defensive line.

Kevin White, wide receiver, West Virginia to Chicago at seven, Atlanta at eight, pick Vic Beasley from Clemson Giants at nine, Eric Flowers the tackle from Miami. Tide Gurley running back Georgia to Saint Louis and Minnesota. Trey Waynes out of Michigan State to cornerback. Now it's Cleveland. Great point though about Waynes and being a Midwest kid and bring in those conditions and knowing how to play outdoors. I think that really is a great point about speaking of Midwest.

Browns are up, Cleveland. You're an Ohio guy, this is your this is your team. And disappointment the last corn Ye fortunately a couple of years. Well I'm just talking about the last year's draft. Not really fruitful like when you have two twenty eight years I've been on this earth. Yeah, Okay, and we know they need defense. Dy Dave was talking

about Danny Shelton here. I mean there's two Would you see Danny Shelton at the Senior Bowl, remember, Oh yeah, he was one of the stars of the Senior Bowl. I mean, he was one of the big names going in there. It's just it's funny because I mean there's been there's two lines of logic, and it's either that Cleveland does something crazy to go get Marcus Mariota, which they have not done, or they take Danny Shelton at twelve.

I mean, those are the two. If you're the Browns, you're sitting here at Vante Parker still on the board, you have a chance to get a potential. Don't have Fever, don't have Josh Gordon, Dwayne Bows not enough for me to pass on a receiver. But Danny Shelton, he's that two gapping nose tackle, perfect fit for Mike Petton's defense. Yeah, I can't see him pass. You get a guy like that like to me, like kre and the Vince Wilfork. This guy controls the middle exactly. I mean he you

watch him, and that's down the line. He's not this big slug. He plays sideline to sidelines. He could blow up the field. And this is I mean, this is a Rex Ryan disciple. I have a hard time to leave. And they're not going to take Shelton. Yeah, I think Shelton. I would not I would not say. I don't think the fact that they got to pick seven picks later. Yeah, I mean you could. You could have a little You could get your boy jail and strong. You could get good,

you know, I mean you could get a weapon. But you gotta do something in the middle of this defense though, yeah, you know. And the worst run defense in the league in twenty fourteen. Correct, Oh, yeah, it was bad. It was bad. Levion Bell running all over that front seven, no brainer in that division two. Yeah, oh, you gotta play. I mean you gotta play Bell, you gotta play Hill and been Bernard, you gotta play playing in bad weather. But you can't rule up Bud Dupre as well. I

think that's another name they've looked at. They need a pass rusher. Mingo hasn't exactly been that pass rush they've been looking for. So those three names DeVante Parker, Budd Depre, Danny Shelton. But again we keep going back to Danny Shelton. That nose tackle. Um, we talk about some nose tackles that have been taken early in the past, guys like dj Raji, Vince will Folk. I think, you know, Shelton's

more along the lines of more athletic. I think for a big man with the measurables, Bill, do you the forty time throw it out? I don't care. I don't care what the forty times I've seen him make plays outside outside the hashes. But I know he can push the pocket. I know he can hold up. He was a three down player for the Huskies. He played, he never came off the field. No, you're right about that. They were the last team in the rush defense in

twenty fourteen. From a scouting standpoint, I've heard some people, I think Pat Kerwin and talks about the explosion number, which is you combine the bench reps with the vertical with the broad and if you have an over a seventy total of those those numbers there, then you typically win at the line a scrimmage. That's way Kerwin puts it. Anyway, thirty four bench reps plus a thirty and a half vertical plus a seven eleven broad up equals seventy one

and so he wins at the line of scrimmage. Danny Shelton. Yeah, it just makes too much sense for a team that needs Again they talk about talk about outside linebacker, rushers, interior defensive line, offensive line, as well as the three needs for the Browns. I dogged on the U earlier. Washington got studs all over your defense. Where's the where the results? I mean, you got Shelton Pete watching offensive they kick Peters off the team for I guess that's yeah.

Do you watch the offensive tape and then play? I don't believe I did. That's why nobody and that's why Jake, you know, play if it's funny though. In the Pac twelve though, really nobody plays defense. I'm sorry if I'm throwing somebody out in just always a lot of us. Yeah, but it seemed like to me that that a lot of times those spread offenses that can neutralize talent on a defense. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. I again, I just don't feel like that that this any any other pick than

than Shelton. I just don't see. I mean, it could be the pre you know, an outside linebacker that that is a rush I mean, and that's I feel that's why he's been there and like maybe they think the prix is gonna be there at nineteen. He put the way things slide in the board. Who has This is sort of like the where versus Marcus Spears debate from two thousand and five, which which player has a better chance of being there? In that case, it was where

win at eleven Spears at twenty. There was some person in the room who fought Spears should be the pick at eleven, and later he's sitting right now, remember who that person? Yeah, Bill Parcels picks there, guys, there's a team down in my hometown that can pick. In the two thousand NFL Draft, the Cleveland Brown select Danny Shelton. Yeah, there you go. I just it just made too much sense. Yeah it did. I'll tell you what, I don't think I've ever had a better start in my mock draft.

You're so proud about the mock draft. I am, and I don't care. I really don't care. Eight of twelve. I'll take Forbes Magazine said they need to follow you on Twitter. Right, this is how he makes oh, Forbes Magazine twenty three best Twitter followers. During the inter this is how. This is how the man makes his money to Oh he's so proud, gonay he goes, Oh my my life, get in now. And Forbes magazine said, I'm I'm quitting now, I'm done. This is my last draft.

There's another one on top. There's another list you really want to be on from Forbes though exactly, I always thought I wanted j j. Yeah. If I put ten months into putting this big thing together, I'd be pretty proud of myself. No, we're happy to have you here. Dane Brugler, CBS Sports and the Draft Show. Brian brought us David Hellman. I'm Bill Jones, and we are now to pick number thirteen, the New Orleans Saints. You want talked to in the first Well, hometown boy, let's get it.

What do you got? I mean, Grant, I spend all my time covering the Cowboys. Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I'm an expert about the Saints, but I know they need they need an edge rusher, and we were just talking about one who's sitting there. You know, honestly, I thought Lall Collins to the Saints was a really good bet until all of that unfortunateness came up in his way. I don't think that's a word.

I was not. That's something that I would say. Uh so when you take that, I mean they like I might use it later on. They need oline, they need a pass rusher. They could use a weapon for Drew Brees to play with now that Jimmy Graham is gone and they also traded away Kenny still. Yes, yes, and they have a lot of picks to address all that with. They got two in this round, they got two in the third, so they I think they pick five times in the first eighty picks, which is not and so

we know they're taking Bryce Petty at thirty one. So if it's a defense here, is that where we're looking any chance at a DeVante Parker offense? Do you think strictly defense? I think it could be. I think it could be. There's a big there's a big, heavy defensive core in there that's fighting for a rusher. I mean, I'm outside. You got Drew Brees. I think he can. I mean he can make it work. He won a Super Bowl with Deverie Henderson, Robert Meetcham, and Jeremy Shockey.

Quick question though off our off at the Draft show page. Sarah wants to do you think that Gordon is now going to go sooner because of Girly being picked so high. I don't. I don't think it really changes anything. I think there's a handful of teams that want a running back in the first round, and I mean we're I think you know you're Miami is a spot, San Diego is a spot. We always thought those were spots where running backs could go. And then you talk Arizona and

Detroit in the twenties. So I don't think it really another one. Yeah, I don't think anybody's gonna change their game plan based on win Girley win, because I think everybody assumed Girley was gonna go all right. Back in that room, the draft room, which we cannot look into right now, deal guys, Gordon the guy, if there was a running back that they would consider in the first

round as Gordon together, Yeah, I think so too. I mean, are we getting to a point in time where we we throughout some ideas on the Draft show about would you be willing to go up? And maybe maybe some people maybe going up might not be yeh, but maybe going up might not be as expensive Now maybe there's a few more guys that are starting to fall down the board that teams are saying. You know what, I'm willing to go back a little bit. How high are

you willing to go? Well, I don't know. I think he's got it in order for me to even start thinking about a trade. I think he's got a fall past San Diego at seventeen. Yeah, which is not I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. The Saints, when we talked about them, let's focus on pick is in for whatever. Okay, Well, what about though, on the offensive side of the ball. They need a lineman the tackle end, don't I mean? I think they need a guard.

They let go of Ben Grubs, they sent him, they traded him to Kansas City. Yeah, free agency, can you pass on a talent like which? Great? I mean? And there's Parker. I don't think a tackle would be bad either. They got Zach Streef, who's getting up there. He's getting along in the tooth uh Toron Armstead as their left tackle. I think guard would death of me. Need they talked about that's I thought. Outside Russia, we talked about the talk about receiver, talked about tight end as well. I

don't think they. I think they like the guys they have on the roster at tight end, honestly, I mean not enough that they're gonna draft Max Williams. Could they could they? Could they wow you with something that Again, this is to me Sean Payton's kind of a little bit of a loose. He loves those guys stuff. He likes to take guys that nobody's ever heard of. That's his favor, not take somebody. But I mean because we're in the first round though, but you mentioned offensive tackle,

wouldn't surprise me. Keep in mind in the first round last year they took a wide receiver in Brandon Crook. Yeah, I mean they have Cooks Colston Man. You miss him watching that tape? Well, he smokes. I just but you pre seems very much a pick here. It wouldn't, but it wouldn't be surprised if something wild happened them, really would I mean? And by the way, what they have an outside linebacker in New Orleans is Anthony Spencer. Yes, and moving back to him, I would say Budd Dupree

is a pick here. I'm not counting on Anthony Spencer to be much of anything. I'm just saying, this is a time when we start talking about Randy Gregory being a possibility. We knew he was going to probably fall at that top ten good point, but now we get to the middle part of the first round, Randy Gregory starts to maybe be worth it. And so I've never met him out, I've never met Rob Ryan, but he doesn't strike me as the type to care about Shane Ray,

about Ray horse of a different color? What do we do? We think probably the twenties is where we feel like Ray is going to be. Where do you possibility? Where do you feel best about Ray? Four three or three four four three? Yeah? To me, he's an end. That's kind of what I think too. I don't really see him for the same Gregory you see standing up being a loose fluid to playing space where where Ray hit

his best asset first step getting up the field. Not someone necessarily you want in space, doesn't have that change of direction that you want. So how does Gregory compare to Vic Beasley? Bigger, longer, Um, maybe I see more. I don't think he wins the corner as much. Yeah, he doesn't have that you get off necessarily, But yeah, I mean Gregory is he's he has a lot of what Beasley has athletically, just in a different body type. With Gregory, it comes down to how much weight can

you put on him? And can he sustain that weight? Is it good weight? Is it? Uh, not only bulk but muscle functional strength. So those are the questions obviously on the field. Now off the field, we have other questions with Gregory, A lot of questions. Yeah, I was going back to dupris um. We thought he a player that could go as high as six to the Jets.

He's still on the board here at thirteen. You know, in a three to four dupri left side, I would say, yeah, I would say you could probably put him on the on the left side and let him go. But but you got but you do have Anthon Spencer. Spencer made Ye made a Pro Bowl playing as a as a left outside a line a strong linebacker here. So I don't know. I mean, I just rob Ryan I think carries a big stick. Yeah, but I could also see Sean Payton basically saying, you know, Drew Brees. Drew Brees

has been very vocal about losing offensive player. Am I am I correct about that? I'm seeing a lot of Twitter chatters, maybe Pete is the pick here. I'm not sure. Thick. In the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, did New Orleans Saints select Andrews Pete Steel at thirteen? Did you have him mocked at the Saints at thirteen? Uh no, No, not a chance, not a chance. I did have him top ten though, I had him ten to the Rams. Brian not a fan, I'm not. I'm not, you know, but

he was in my top fifty. A second round player for you. I had him as a second round player. I think the one of those soft Stanford tackles. Well, the problem the thing about him outstanding getting away from the line. He you you could see the kick to slide, the punch, you see that. The run blocking stuff, I saw a guy that was heavy legged. Though as far as run blocking, I saw a guy that was on

the ground a lot. I really wasn't you know. The sustain there's there's Stanford offensive tackles in linemen that they would get in there, they get the hold of the guys and they finish. I didn't see a great finisher here that that that bothered me. Against some some really some good talent in the past in the U in the Pac twelve and I just saw but the pass blocking stuff when he could kick and get out, and

he's got that link to hold guys off. But I worried about him and the running in being a strong point of attack. That's that's interesting though. I mean, you just you brought mark Ingram back. He had a Pro Bowl year, Drew Brees a lot like Tony Romo. You probably figure you got a maximum of three or four more years to try to win with him. You lose Jimmy Graham. Now you've got a first round tackle and you got Max Hunger who was not not bad, not bad anchor in that offensive line. So I don't I

don't have a problem with it. I don't works for me. And we're gonna see these tackles. Yeah, you know we we We've seen Schurf go five, we saw Flowers go nine, and now we see h Pete go thirteen. So I had Humphries is a better player in my mind, and as Humphries was a second round player on my board as well. But I talked about Flowers, Humphrey, a Boohee and Pete were my second round offensive With Humphries, he might have the best feat in this direct among offensive

linement with Pete. I see, you know, and they're showing some stuff in ANFL network right now that it just does not look promising for Pete. Nate Orchard be Yeah. I mean there's a lot of bad tape out there on Pete. But again, I think you look at what he needs to work on. It's fixable. To me. I really believe that he has what you can't teach with that that balanced, that body control. Um, you have a lot to work with their know how, these teams love bloodlines.

Has dad played in the NFL for a long time? You see this play, Well, here's David Shaw's coach is on the panel here on the NFL network, And I'm sure David's giving you a great insight here we're trying to I think Dane's done a nice job. I he and I. That's one player and there's several players. If you if you're a fan of the Draft show, you know that we disagree on players. We've had guys that we've gone back and I respect his opinion because what

he's saying, though, he's right, they're fixable things. But I'd just like to see a little bit better finish. I would like to not see him on the ground in the room, but I did compliment him on the past set and getting to that point. And you talked about the feet and he's gonna give a lot of time to pass set in New Orleans. And obviously Drew Brees a little disappointed by what's going on with losing some weapons and they got to find a way to protect him. Now,

he probably got two minutes left before the Dolphins pick. Here, he's in a spot also a lot like we talked about with the tackle. Here, he's in a spot where he doesn't necessarily have to be the man right away, which is always I think good for a developing player. Yeah, um with uh the Miami Todd Gurley's not there, so you kind of miss out on that. But DeVante Parker is there and that's uh, that's a terrific This is

Parker in my opinion. This way you look at the knee, Well, they traded for Kenny Stills and they signed Greg Jennings, but Jennings, this is this guy. Parker is Dez Bryant. When he catches the ball, he's a big man, he takes it. Okay, we're like we got movement, we got moving, we got moved, we got drafted. After we have war room. Hey, Jerry, Hey Stephen, Hey Ad Jason, So as you can see, we'll go to it and uh, finally and every time,

so K Garrison's giving me the thumbs up. It looks like we've got an hour and forty minutes into the twenty fifteen draft and we have the feed. There you go, so all principles. I did not really like people live for this thing I've getting been getting blown up on me. They think that is more interesting. I know, I don't understand. You see the you see my color combo here see it now? So that's uh, Charlotte Jones, Anderson to the far left on the screen, of course, Jason Garrett, Jerry Jones,

Steve Jow, Will McClay. They just took a seat. And yeah, you also got rich dalrymple in which you're not gonna be able to see anything. I didn't know this until recently. Um this this room behind them is Chris Hall's off right, which he basically is the head of college scouting. As you're looking at that's where the the the phone is. The back to Robert Blackwell in New York. So uh, they will. They will talk to Chris. They will yell from the table in through that hallway that where you

see the window. Chris has his shades drawn right there. But they yelled to him and tell him the pick, and then he conveys it to Robert Blackwell, who then uh turns the card in. So it looks like that the uh that the Dolphins do have their picking. We've talked about this all along though. We think it's DeVante Parker here right. I see a J. Green. I see a player that plays above the rim. He can help you at all levels of the field. Um he man, He's not a J. Green, He's but he's a notch below.

He's that type of style of receiver. And for the Dolphins, you lose Mike Wallace, you lose Brian Hartline, you gain Kenny Stills, you gain Greg Jennings, but you still need that number one guy, DeVante Parker's it. That is a pretty sexy receiver. Corps. If they do, in fact take Davante Parker, I mean you got him at the one. Stills as your deep threat, Jarvis Landry doing a little bit of everything inside and outside. Best hands ever, I

think they don't have a really great running back. But this is my sixth best player on my top fifty. I can I just saw Dez Bryan in the open field. If if this is the pick, and you know, and Tanny Hill hits him on the move, you're gonna see a guy that's gonna run, but he's gonna make life miserable. He's like the Randy Moss just points up. Yeah, you know, I mean it's yeah, it's like it's just down on the field. It's it's running those inside routes, it's running slants,

it's making tough plays. Kid plays the chip on it. And he's a big guy. Six two, you know, I mean six six two and a half, Yeah, exactly, ten Yeah, thirty three. I think the Dolphins, if they get guys in the corner, if this is a pick, if this is their pick, though they did, they got somebody that will go, that will help their quarterback and scores touchdowns. Yeah, he had a touchdown every four point seven catches in his career at Louisville. That's an outstanding ratio. It helps

with Teddy Bridgewater as your quarterback too. Yeah, well what about two? And they also brought in Nelson Agyar. Now again, I'm just talking about receivers that you know, we've they've uh that they've looked at. But we we've been all along though. I'm just telling you though, that Agar is on a lot of boards. Could be a late one though, couldn't he? Dan fourteens? Rich? Yeah, but that's actually rich. Yeah. But I didn't think they were gonna take a I

didn't think they would take Pete at thirteen. Yeah. Oh, I mean, if we're up to you, Pete would be going like thirty times. That's okay, that's all right. But Dean Parker though, I just love this guy. That's I mean, if you're and I mean the Dolphins are believers in Ryan Tannehill, Yeah, I mean weapons, load them up. You know you need weapons. Yeah, and we get all these players, So we're going to see this guy next year. I

have to go see that. It's a great point. I have to go see back to back to back and Tannehill and Parker. Yeah, let's go. So Melvin Gordon, Yeah, but the highest rated players on my board, I could say we're Kevin Johnson, Bud Dupree, Byron john I mean, yeah, they they're down to this, this has got to be

they just need a receiver. They need somebody. It looks like to me, let's see if the commissioner in fact is going to the podium, that's just that draft town that that that thing is cool like in uh and they said they had seventy nine thousand applicants to get in there. Here it goes wow, the commissioner. On the fourteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins Selectant Parker. Yeah, wide receiver Louisville DeVante Parker out

of Louisville six three two o nine. I got you, Okay, Yeah, you know I could say we h Parker's a guy, absolutely love him, and then find a way to uh, you know, use him. He's gonna help this receiver, help this quarterback a ton So yeah, outstanding pick. If you take a little break here for a minute or so, Yeah, absolutely got good. You know, it looks like San Francisco up next, the fifteenth pick, followed by Houston. We are

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CBS Sports and the Draft Show. And by the way, as you look live at the war room and what's going on in there, which is nothing right now, Nick Atman of Dallas Cowboys dot Com has joined us. Now, Nick, what do you think about the first half of the first round so far? It's kind of speeding up a little bit. It's uh, I don't wouldn't say there have been a lot of surprises, but I think they're starting to come now. We have our first surprise really with

our first trade of the draft. Uh. The San Diego Chargers move up two spots, give up a fourth and a fifth to get that fifteenth pick with the Niners, and we think this has got to be that other running back, right, You would think that's kind of surprising to me that they I mean, I got a fourth and a fifth. Isn't super superstitious. They were worried about Houston at sixteen possibly going running back with Arian Foster. Yeah, but he's blue and yeah blue, Hey come on at LSU,

come on. So Yeah, I mean, he's had injury problems. You got, you got a point. So this would be from an offensive standpoint. This would be if if Gordon does go off the board like you're suggesting, and it seems like this would be one of those guys that the Cowboys could have traded up for exactly. And you know that now with Gurley and Gordon gone, I mean, there's probably not going to be a running back that they want to take at twenty seven. I don't think

I think this eliminates their first round running back. Here it comes as the commissioner with a Chargers selection Cisco forty nine ers have traded the fifteenth pick to the San Diego Chargers. With the fifteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the San Diego Chargers select Melvin Gordon, running back Wisconsin. So there are two running backs off the board. Now Gurley went to Saint Louis at ten

and now Melvin Gordon to San Diego at fifteen. How you feeling about your bold prediction there, Dane, Which one the one where you said they'd both be gone by twenty Oh? I guess I got one right, all right? One for five so far? Brookler has gotten several things right so far in this draft. Two drafts where there wasn't a running back taken in the first round, and now you got them both. So on Dallas Cowboys dot com, we have some I mean, in my defense, I mocked

Melvin Gordon the Cowboys at twenty seven. In my analysis, I said, I really don't even think the Cowboys are gonna pick tonight, so maybe that can be my saving I kind of went the other way. I went the other way around. I actually had them taking a guy tomorrow. I mean, I don't know if that Shaq Thompson will be Oh, that's right. But I also said they could trade up for a guy like Gordon or Kevin Jon.

We were saying before you came on, if they were going to do a deal for Gordon, I think it would have he would have had to have fallen to about at least eighteen or nineteen, and obviously that's not the case. I just think that the price is too let's clarify to guys, I'm filling in just for a second. Brian brought this is doing some other radio's a he's a man of many talents. Yeah, and so he will

be back shortly and giving his analysis. But Dane, from just from a running back standpoint, from Melvin Gordon and Gurley, how different do you think they are? And from a talent level standpoint, I think we all agree that Todd Gurley was on a tier by himself in terms of running back talent in this class, but Melvin Gordon not far behind. And in a draft like this where we don't have those elite guys, talents like this are going

to go high on the board. And so we haven't seen that running back two years in a row go in the first round. This year we have two in the top twenty with Melvin Gordon. Production speaks for itself, almost twenty six hundred yards last year. You just see it on film, the balance, the acceleration, it's elite. You see a little Jamal Charles there. So Todd Gurley an excellent, excellent player, but Melvin Gordon a little different, not too far off. So the Chargers they lost Ryan Matthews to

free agency. Now at Philadelphia Eagle Melvin Gore and gets Philip Rivers in that offense a little bit of life. So now you go to what sixteen and Houston, this is all Right's safe to say the Cowboys now will not take a running back in the first round. I think that's six. I think you can bank that in. This has the potential to be a really interesting I mean, if you're a Cowboys fan trying to keep an eye on the best case scenario for your team, Houston and

Kevin Johnson have a mighty strong link there. I mean, you've been hearing it from a lot of places. We talked about it last or yesterday during the draft show when we talked about where's Kevin Johnson going to go? Sixteen was where I said, I that's the first place where I'm worried he's going to come off the board of sixteen twenty twenty two. Yeah, absolutely. Now they have been mocked at receivers for a long time. The I can't say. I mean, he's a guy that's been thrown

into the mix here. I think it's corner. We have to remember too, Bud Dupree. Uh, that's a great place on the board. He probably didn't expect him to be here. And they lost Rush Read, they lost Brooks Read Whitney. Merciless will be a free agent after this year. Trading block what a name? So you can't rule out but the pre here, but I keep, you know, keep going back to Kevin Johnson. Uh, the Texans. They brought back Cream Jackson to a four year deal. Jonathan Joseph the

other corner. He's gonna be thirty two years old next year. Wouldn't you hate to be a corner for Houston? You know, you just have to cover when when clowney and wide or Russian in the pass or that doesn't sound bad, that doesn't it's a good spot to get to it. On the flip side, you do have Andrew luck in your division, but with those pass rushers, yeah, you have

to abortles. That's very true. That's very true. You could either be really happy about Bortles and Mariota are not so Happy's pick is in this is and we've spent so much time talking and prepping for the possibility of getting what you know, quote unquote wiped out, and this is where you could start to see it kind of.

Soho's Kevin Johnson? So give me five or six cowboy, five or six names the cowboy we're hoping would get to twenty seven that we're reasonable outside of the obvious ones that weren't going to get there, Kevin Johnson, that's the tough that's the tough part. What's separating reasonable with you know what you were hoping for because Kevin Johnson, Malcolm Brown, you're but not really reasonably they'd be there at twenty seven. Yeah, and you look at the running

backs you'd love to see it not really reasonable. So it's it's it's a tough when you're picking at twenty seven solo. So we haven't seen one yet go off the board that was reasonably could get to twenty seven. I think that's fair to say. I think Kevin Johnson's probably that first guy if he comes off the board here in the next few picks, whether that's Houston sixteen we started at eighteen to that handful that the Cowboys had targeted. Who are some other guys you think that

the Cowboys have targeted there? And I guess Gregory would be one. Now if we about the pass rushers, Randy Gregory, Buddy Preestile on the board, um Bud Dupre. I think get to look at Cleveland at nineteen is a possible scenario there, Uh the forty nine ers who moved back from fifteen to seventeen, they could use another pass rusher. So with Budd Dupree, I don't don't think you feel good about him lasting to twenty seven. But one of those names that maybe didn't expect on the board here

in the late teens. Where do you have uh Oregan's Armstead? Where do you have him in this Eric Armstead? He's uh you know you talk about maybe to New Orleans at thirteen you thought that was a possibility. Um, I like him, Houston. I think I think I think they're pretty set there at that position. Yeah. Yeah, but you know we've said this before. Oma and Tuck and Kimuka and straighthand were pretty set and then a sudden JPP was pretty good pass rushers. You know what Parcels used

to say about tight ends, keep them coming. I've used that in my day to day life so much. I love it. It's you know, at some point, guys, not maybe not right now, but this is what people are seeing. I bet you there's a lot of people going, who is that guy? Who is he? We were? Yeah, you all done this already, not I mean not in a great I mean, okay, that's Jason Garrett. If you didn't know who the big red guy was that's Jason Garrett.

Uh the okay, so we got Charlotte Jones Anderson that would be Jerry's daughter, and one of the executive vice presidents, Steven Jones obviously. Uh. This guy in the back that you're looking at, who's nobody's seeing your point? By the way, that's a good point reading something. That's a that's rich Dalrymple, who is who's the cowboys head of public relations and as kind of Jerry's right hand man. Um, one of the scouts, Drew Fabit, and we mentioned um, if you see a guy he sits in the part of the

screen that you can't see. But if you see a guy with surprisingly long hair, that would be Chris Hall, who's the director of college scouting. That's his office behind the war room table right there. It's been there like twenty five years. Yeah. No. I interviewed him for a story earlier this spring. He started the year Emmett Smith was drafted, so twenty five years ago he has been here for it. Which, by the way, that is the draft that get me very interested in researching draft hopefuls.

And that's what here's the Commissi with houstage pick with the sixteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select Kevin Johnson. The cowboy targets right there. I think, Yelda, we we talked about this being a possible scenario where Houston has a need at corner. Kevin

Johnson just a terrific player of first round talent. So it's you hate to see it for Dallas, but Houston just got a heck and it was in looking at most people's big boards coming in the last few days, it was not reasonable Kevin Johnson was gonna get to twenty.

It reminds me a lot of my first draft here twenty thirteen, when Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper were the guys that everybody wanted to bolster that oh line, and you know, the closer and closer got to the draft, the more you just kind of saw the writing on the wall that that's probably not a possibility. Same thing

with Kevin Johnson. I mean, every mock you looked at him had him off the board by twenty or twenty one, which again maybe you could trade, but you're asking a big price to do that, so you know, not a huge surprise. Definitely definitely disappointing for the guys in that room right there, if I had to guess um. And another thing too, is that you don't think that in ten spots or so eleven spots that Byron Jones probably

won't get get picked either. If that's another guy that the Cowboys are absolutely he's probably the next corner that would go probably, Yeah, you're looking at who's really looking at corner here? Philadelphia. That's where Byron Jones makes a lot of sense. I mean, shoot, if they if he gets past Philly and Pittsburgh, Baltimore needs a corner like nobody. And it goes back to what we discussed yesterday during

the Draft show about trade up options. We traded up to twenty one to get Kevin john and I would absolutely I would do it. And if if Byron Jones gets past twenties and heard that, you know what that's hurting We give these things away our fantastic access. That's what happened. What do you think San Francisco is gonna do? And San Francisco's on the copp now having traded down from fifteen to seventeen, Well, we're on Randy Gregory watch

where a pass rusher is possible. Bud Dupriest still available. Uh, keep it to the front seven. Eric Armstead a five technique where you know, we talk about the forty nine front seven's aging. You're not getting any younger. So Eric Armstead has all the talent in the world. Wouldn't they You would think they would want a linebacker if there was one that fit right here? Right? Yeah, absolutely, is there a linebacker? They see the fits. Guys, I'm gonna

piece out and Brian's coming back here. So it was fun to stop by. Probably come back. Sorry, they're gonna need that at Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Yeah, Bill Jones, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Brian brought us is headed in here. The pick is in for the San Francisco forty nine ers here to be followed by Kansas City. And again San Francisco traded down from fifteen with San Diego. San Diego took Melbourne Gordon at fifteen and Kevin Johnson to

Houston and now San Francisco. And this is we talked about this with Danny Shelton, just kind of being really logical, making a lot of sense. Armstead is kind of you just hear about that a lot, especially like you mentioned with Justin Smith's future kind of being in limbo. Well, Jim tom Sula. Uh, he's an old NFL europe old NFL Europe guy, great guy by the way. You know, he's got a great story. But to me, they need defensive lineman. I mean that's something you know when you

when you talk in Armstead dave like you brought. I didn't put him on the Cowboy, but I didn't have him my board because I thought he was a four three four. He's won, he doesn't. He's scheme specific. He's gonna be when those guys, it's gonna play two gap, talk about two gap, extend, look inside, look outside, disengage, go get the football. Armstead is that type of guy. I think he is a perfect fit. In fact, if he's uh if if that's if he felled a twenty seven.

I mean, I don't even know if the Cowboys would take him, just because I don't think so. You know, in San Francisco sitting there, they knew at fifteen that Houston was not going to take Armstead at sixteen, so it was a very safe trade down for them, and they pick up a fourth and a fifth. If indeed Armstead is their guy here, And just a note, it's the longest we've gone a first round without a trade, fourteen picks in um, so that's I don't think anyone

expected that that that might be. The first while of this draft is the fact that we didn't have a trade the first fourteen picks, all right. And the other big news for San Francisco this offseason, of course, is at the linebacker position, with the retirement of Patrick Willis as well as Chris Borland, who was a third round pick last year and played terrific at the end of the year last year, but inside linebacker. In a Eric Armstead ye job, Dave, pay attention to the draft I paid.

I mean you can see that when you start to see the same guy mocked by everybody on earth, and you can kind of see the writing on the wall. So Eric Armstead is a San Francisco forty nine in Kansas City is now on the clock at number eighteen, ten picks away from the Cowboys. You know what you

have to think about here, guys is Kevin Johnson. And I was over doing radio with one oh five three and Dane, thank you for help, because I call that I just flat knew you knew you had some good intel on that, and I just said, Houston, this is Kevin Johnson, and sure enough it worked out great. We're starting to see these cornerbacks, so go off the board here. We talked about when you were away, we talked about how these corners are gonna start coming off the board.

And our scenario yesterday in the Draft show, when we trade it up to twenty one. If Byron Jones starts us, is he still on the board there in the twenties? Is that's the one you go up and get. How do you feel about that? We're kind of we're getting into territory where I'm not scared. I'm starting to feel confident that maybe they trade. Let me ask you this, all right, we've I know there's been a lot of

talk about cornerbacks. Yeah, you hear Jason Garrett talk about the cornerstone of the team is the offensive line, defensive line. How much do you think that they really if they map out how they work this strategy on this draft, they're looking at first go defensive front seven, preferably front front four, then second round running back, then third round corner because the depth of the cornerback position might be greater and the running back position. That's how I mocked

it myself today. I took Gregory and then I turned around and drafted, uh, actually went safety instead, and then went safety took. I took the kid from Arizona State. Yeah. But see the thing about is I think you're gonna have to go get Randall. I think we might hear his name today. Yeah, I see, that's what I'm saying. I thought, you know, you can I put him in that round because yeah, you gotta go get this guy. But we're starting to see these corners again. And where's

where does Peters fall in your mind? Here? Is he more talented than Jones? And with John Dorsey. I used to work with John Dorsey. John John likes those kind of those guys and the play a little on the edge exactly. And we talk about Marcus Peters being brash and cocky. Yeah, that's not the worst thing that the qualities to have in a corner, but you have as long as you're comfortable with him on the sidelines, off the field, being coachable. This is the center from from

Florida State, right, No, no, the city. Oh yeah, well it could be, it could be. It could be urban it could that's another I can convert to center that Kansas City. To me, that that's secondary. You know, I and you did a mock with with Urban yesterday where he was there, where Irvan was was and that's not that's not bad. But I'm starting to wonder about now

where does Peters, where does Jones? Because as soon as soon as Johnson went, I was like, you know, chat, I mean, if you're if you're watching the feed here, Jerry Jones has got a pencil and he's fiddling with

some kind of chart here on the table. Well, he's talking to Will McClay to his left, Stephen Jones is h is right there as well, so uh that they're all probably talking about maybe uh maybe he as he looks to his as Jerry, as you look at the screeve, Jerry looks to his right at a scificat Todd Williams, who are in charge of the trade chart or to his right, and his personnel's staff is to his left.

So right now that's kind of maybe if he looks to his right, he's talking about to them, Okay, what would we have to do trade wise to see how that two works out? Maybe number numbers wise to maybe go get a guy. All Right, you've got Cleveland picking after Kansas City at nineteen, Philly at twenty. They're not a trade partner, right, Maybe they're worried about Philadelphia if

they're gonna maybe this corner. I mean, I think if you want to get if you want your pick of the letter, so to speak, I think you have to get in front of the Eagles. Yeah, that that's maybe. And then and then again, Jerry Eagles have a need for safety to safety, and that Jones. Maybe Jones could be in Dane. Correct me if I'm wrong. Byron Jones could be maybe a corner maybe a safety. They signed, They signed Maxwell and Thurman as too off sat a swell.

He's a starter, you know, I don't think he's a clear cut starter in this league, but it makes corner not an immediate need, but a direction they could go. And so I you'll just look at Chip Kelly and the homework that he did on some of these cornerback prospects. He went to Utah to see Eric Row, he went

to Yukon to see Byron Jones workout. So I think that's you can obviously connect those dots with Kansas City here at eighteen we corner you know, they like those press guys get up in your face with the line of scrimmage, absolutely disrupted the route. Yeah, you know, if you look at the market speeders, if you look at their needs, they they like what they The Gaines kid is somebody they like for the future. Smith will likely

services suspension and Cooper was replaced as a starter. So maybe some question marks about really what's going on there at cornerback for the Kansas City Chiefs. So, but I like what you're talking about Bill about the center. I'm they lost Rodney Hudson, right, interesting point. I mean we're getting close to twenty. We've talked. I mean, we mocked trading up for a cornerback yesterday. Budd Pre still there. Would you trade up for him? We talk about I mean,

pass rush, pass rush, pass rush. I wonder if I wonder if Bud j Pre sits on their board better than Gregory, Like, what do you feel first round grade? Yeah, first round grade, second round grades. I'm just I'm just wondering which, I know, which one you would take. I didn't think they value higher. It would just be a total guess. Yeah, it really would. I mean, but I loved the character. Would put Dupre of a bubble. I think Bud you Pre is a left defensive end in

the scheme would be great. Yeah, I mean I need one. Yeah, okay, but what DeMarcus Lawrence is the left defensive end? Right? Well, I mean it's a rotating system. That's why you're a I don't think I'm looking long term. Okay, yeah. Are you going to continue to rotate a second round pick in a first round pick on the left side? I

think so. I think that's the way that rod They do not want the Seattle is the model of taking eight seven or eight guys and then rotating them throughout to try and play exclusively have to be on the left side either they move them around. Right. All right, here comes the commissioner with the picker. With the eighteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL drafts, the Kansas City Chiefs select Marcus Peters three, which is I mean, I mean, he's a great he's a talented player, uh, and he

fits a need for the Cowboys. But I'm I mean, I never never thought that they really had a shout of getting there. Not sure they would have taken him anyway because of his character concerns. John Dorsey Chris Ballard two personnel guys in this league that I trust. My trust list among NFL evaluators, guys that do their homework, that just they know the game, they know how to scout. Those two guys are high on that list, so that you know they did the homework. Yeah, I worked with

John Dorsey. John Dorsey and I in Green Bay together for five years, won a Super Bowl together. You're absolutely right about traded emails with Chris Ballard last night. I uh, and he was about three in the morning and he was still up working. Yeah, it's three in the morning. He emailed me, said go to bed, and I said, I emailed him back and I said, you you first.

It's just there's these guys live to do this, and so I think they've done their Homeworker Marcus Peters are comfortable with the player on the field and off the field, all right, Brian, I asked this while you are out of the room. What handful of players are the Cowboys targeting that they would take at twenty seven that's sitting there right now. We're talking about Byron Jones as a guy.

I think they're surprised, right, now, I think they're very surprised that that that they that that Budd Dupree is still on that board. That's what I'm saying. I think they're very I think they're very surprised by that. I think that they're very surprised that maybe that DJ Humphreys, I want to say, they've probably got an off a couple of offensive lineman. I know Dane mocked a Bouet to the Cowboys, you know, and Jerry Jones gave you a little bit of there's a scenario where you could

see us taking an offensive lineman. I think they're probably surprised by that. With all these linebackers still on the board. I'm talking about McKinney, Kendricks, Thompson. You've also got the corners are still intact. As far as Byron Jones, they're looking at second round corners. I think if that's the case, so, and that's the other thing, all these names you're mentioning, they're not going to be anywhere near their picket in

the second round. No, So yeah, if you're sitting there with still a handful of guys that you're willing to take at twenty seven, then that increases the chances of a trade down, because one of those guys would still be there if they trade down a few spots. Right, Jerry and Stephen Jones are up to something here. Yeah, they're looking again. Jerry keeps looking. Steven is trying to explain Steven's trying to keep the picks, and Jerry wants

to go. I mean, I've seen this look before. Say, Cleveland is on the clock right now, and so he's trying to figure out a way to get Johnny Manzil out see and Garrett looks like Garrett's trying to figure this out. He's looking like, okay, if we move. Jerry wants to go, and he's feel like he's gonna lose somebody here, and Stevens again trying to talk him into something maybe different. Every time they're looking across the table, Todd Williams is giving him the math. He's figuring out

what he would have to take. Now, somebody on the slaves on which side again, he would be as to Jerry's right as you look at the screen, it would be to the left, he said, to the side of Jason Garrett over Charlotte. Yeah, so if they're gonna work the phones working the phones is coming from Steven Jones left. So that's what they're doing. Todd Williams leaning in right there and telling him something. What's going on with the Gary told him a good joke. There's a hearty laugh

from Steven Jones there. Yeah, these guys handle this way better than I ever could. I mean, they've been doing it for a quarter century. If you imagine if we're at oh gosh, I'd be running around slamming things on the ground the butt for the Browns here at nineteen UM. For the longest time I mocked Lyle Collins. Here, they'd like Lyle Collins quite a bit. Yeah, obviously now you can't do that right, But I still think offensive line

is the direction they want to go. And with Irving on the board still the Chiefs passed Irving could be that pick Alex Mack. You don't know what his feature is at center right tackle? Is a need a versatile guy? Absolutely? Yeah, Yeah, he's played. I'll tell you what. When you watch him play, he's making all the calls and he made him from the left tackle spot. Yeah, he is one of those guys. I'll tell you what. You see, he gets pushed, he's

able to sustain. Is a good pass blocker, gets a little wide at times with his bass, but I tell you what, he has the power to sit down on people. I think I think Dane's onto something there about him. It's a it's a it's a it's a. When you talk about players that could stand up in that mill, that's the most important thing that when you talk about Jones, the Cowboys keep in the middle of that pocket. Clean Irvan is a guy that makes a lot of sense to me if they were a receiver for Cleveland here.

Brashad Perraman is a player they've done work on and I mocked actually in my mock I had him taking Breshad Perraman at nineteen, but Irving was off the board in that scenario. So I think with could use a rusher. I mean, there could be a rusher here too. Yeah. I think Cleveland fans are gonna be a little upset if they pass on Bud dupre here. Yeah. But I don't disagree with you about the about the the center

because I think he can. Yeah, he's the best center in the draft and the only center in this draft you really feel comfortable with saying he's gonna start for a long time. Yeah, I totally I totally agree on that. And if you get him a little earlier than you want to, I mean, it worked out well for the Cowboys two years ago and he would play right tackle. Well, Mitchell Schwartz is their right tackle. Yeah, he's going to I don't know. I don't know where he's gonna play

because Mitchell Schwartz is the incumbent. He's a free agent after the year. So I think Irving's your long term starter right at Botonio, at guard in Greco Greco, I think that's where you're going to see a competition between Irving and Greco. Well, the the rumor is they want to do something with Swarts to trying to the right last year. Yeah, at right tackle. Yeah, I think Irving while have a chance every opportunity to earn that right tackle job. It'll be tough to supplant h Schwartz, who's

been in the league for three years now. But Alex Mack too. They're worried about Alex mack Is future in Cleveland. How long will he be there? So uh, But Irving that's what he brings. He brings that versatility, play tackle, play center. He can play guards. So m this pick would not surprise me if it ends up being that's the voice of Dame Brugler right there, CBS Sports, you got brought us, you got David Hellman. I'm Bill Jones, as Cleveland is on the clock. Should be getting the

pick in here pretty soon. He's in. Yeah, just waiting. They keep showing the Cleveland war room here. I you know, if you're Cleveland and you come out of this just straft, especially in the first round with Danny Shelton, and then you got Irving who you're talking about, and you're talking about the best nose tackle in the draft, talking about six hundred and fifty pounds, talk about the polar opposite of the madness we were thinking they might pull off

a couple hours ago. Oh with Mario. With Mario, and it's going something to watch way smarter in my opinion, exactly. You build in the trenches, scar scary GM, smart GM, logical GM. Now you build from the inside out. And that's what they're doing. You haven't even given your troubled quarterback more than like three quarters to prove he can even do anything. Picks in all right, here we go Roger with the nineteenth pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft,

the Cleveland Brown select Cameron Irving. Here you go? Are you go? I have Irving, Florida State. Now Philadelphia at number twenty. This feels like a big one. I don't know, No, it really does. I mean, Okay, Pittsburgh and Baltimore need cornerbacks. Ideally, I think the Cowboy always would like a cornerback. If Philly takes Byron Jones right here, then it screws up

a lot of stuff. But I could see him trading into that twenty one spot if they wanted to, If that was something they Whether it's for Bud Dupree, whether it's for Byron Jones, I don't know. But what the Eagles do right here could dictate a lot about what happens with the Cowboy. Cincinnati's at number twenty one, followed by Pittsburgh. Yeah, we mocked it. We mocked it where they traded to Cincinnati. We're smart guys. Yeah, Well, to take Kevin Johnson not a guy, true, but this might

be to take Byron Jones. If if if, if, if, if fact Philadelphia passes here, then you know you got to think about that. I mean, if you can get And I said, no, that's what I said yesterday in the mock draft. And and it's college Cincinnati. Sometimes you hear crickets, you know, it's like they just kind of haven't paid their phone bill. Well they do. They do their own little thing over there. And so sometimes you're you're kind of at the mercy when when you know

you have to trade to somebody in Philadelphia. Is that team? Excuse me a Cincinnati's that team? You kind of like you're thinking, ah, this is just not going to work out. Um, look at the needs here though, safety guard, wide receiver, Philadelphia, Philadelphia. What do you think I mean? Could this be? Could this be? We see Collins? Would they take Collins here? It's possibility. Unfortunately its Randall's a possibility. Collins as a possibility.

And this is a bad timing. But I have to go run and do writer stuff, help out Nick Eatman and Rob Phillips while they handle TV business. But I hope I can. I hope I can make it back in come all about boys pick. I will do my best, but I'll talk to you all down the line. David Helman's read his fine work here right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. So we got a division rival on

the clock. Earlier at number five, Washington took Brandon Schurf, the offensive lineman from Iowa, and the Giants at number nine took Eric Flowers, a tackle from Miami and now Philadelphia. Let me ask you this, where's Chip Kelly come from? Where is where is his background? So you got to think about these with coaches. This is really his first time with the controls of the personnel department. Here where when Jimmy Johnson, Bill, you're recovering Jimmy Johnson, the players

that that he knew. He was coming from a college program evaluating and in Miami was I think was a biggie was a Big East team at the time though, but maybe he didn't draft, but he knew the college program, he knew him very well. I think that you have to think about when you're looking at these coaches, especially ones that are running personnel departments now, they will gravitate towards areas that they know, you know, and I mean

where you're going with this. I'm trying to say, think about I'm thinking about like PAC twelve players, sure, I'm thinking about if you you know, well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh okay, sorry, okay, but I'm thinking about like PAC twelve guys. I mean, that's something you have to think about when you have somebody that's running these departments, when you're going into the draft and you're saying receiver, it could one much strong in Arizona State. I'm thinking

another PAC twelve receiver. You're thinking Agyar one of those weapons that Chip Kelly would just love to get his hands on. You know, he's just kind of steady, h he wants a playmaker, and so I think, and who did he lose Jeremy Macklin. Yeah, right, this guy type player. They they drafted Jordan Matthews in the second round last year. Yes, Aglare is more of a Macklin type player. Is that yah?

I think that's a very apt comparison. Yeah. I just think that when you start talking about coaches and that they're they're new running the department, especially young young as far as NFL, they go to things that they understand, they've seen guys play. That's where I mean. And I think that you know, you look at those Pack twelve guys, that just makes some mean. But they could go again, They could go safety, they could go guard here, But who would be you know, I mean, who would be

the offensive lineman that you would like? I mean maybe, well, and if you're the Cowboys, you're I think you don't like to see if Ogilore is the pick? Where is you a little bit? But I think you're happy that it's not Byron Jones because that gives you one more option? Well, who would you rather see? You see strong? See strong? Then I'm saying more along the line petitive standpoint. Yeah, at twenty seven options for you. I don't think Nelson Ogilore was a player you were going to take a

twenty seven. So you're happy to see, uh if that ends up being the pick, I think that that makes you happy that it's not going to be Byron Jones or a player that you would consider a Bud Dupree who is still on the board. And we're in the twenties now, Yeah, I think that you know, to me, Chip Kelly, he's dismantled his offensive. If you look at the weapons, McCoy, macklin, you know who is who are they throwing the ball to? Who are those? You know? Who is the runner? They went and got a runner?

You know? Now they think, Okay, how can we help whoever plays who are runners? Yeah, whoever could play quarterback? That's what you're trying to do. How can you help the quarterback? Plus in that offense that you've won as many receivers as you can get your hands right, Yeah, I agree with that. Come on in, makes a lot of sense there. Steve Dennis is making his way here, got into the got the pictures of the ABC studio. Here we go the commission, the Philadelphia Eagles selector Nelson

all over this drap Hey. Brian mentioned the Pac twelve connection. Yeah, you know, going going back to what you know, going back to what you're comfortable with. Yeah, Chip Kelly in that in that Pac twelve he lost Jeremy Macklin. So we get to Jeremy Macklin like receiver here at twenty Nelson Ogilor. He's not necessarily a game breaker, is not necessarily a possession guy. He's just an all around solid player, a guy that you have to really game plan for

if you're the Cowboys and rest of the division. Bad news for the Cowboys they have to face Aglore. Good news for the Cowboys in this draft. That is not a player they would have taken in the first round. You no, I don't think the guys are still on the board. Yeah, but when you watch USC tape, this guy, they line him up all over the formation, They throw screens to him, they throw it down the field to him,

they run reverses with him. You know, Chip Kelly, I guarantee is going to do a lot of the same things that they did that Steve Sarkissian did at USC to try and get the football in his hands. This guy's I'll tell you what, there's a lot of people think of talk about one of the best route runners in this draft. Nelson Aguilar is one of those guys, and to me, he reminded me a lot of Marquis Lee, another former USC receiver, But with aglare the production outstanding.

One of the few receivers who went triple digits and catches last year in the FBS. A player that's just on all around, solid, solid, solid option here for the Eagles. So you have to feel if you're the Cowboys, you

hate to have to face him twice a year. But again, uh, like Bill said, it's it's an option that you weren't gonna go at twenty seven so a player may be moving back that you might want to get Budd Dupres still there Byron Jones is still on the on the board, Gregory's still there all right, Steve Dennis, how are you doing six picks away Gregory raid discussion? Yeah, I mean is gonna come into play? I think I think it'll be interesting to see what if Bud Dupre in fact

is involved in this as well. The outside line or defensive end from Kentucky. This is something that we didn't feel like that he was gonna slide this far. And so I think he was one of the guys that Cowboys brought in, Yes, exactly. So yeah, I think that you have to hum who will be higher on their board? Will Gregory be higher than Dupre, will be higher than uh than Shane Ray here? And so I think that's what they like, those defensive ends better than a Malcolm Brown,

I think so bestial like Eddie Goldman. Yeah, I think that they. I think they view Malcolm Brown like as a one technique. I don't think they would take a one technique. I think Carl Davis, they've seen on tape at Iowa play in both the the three and playing the one. So I don't know Cincinnati on the cunny one. Yeah, do we have any ideas about what this might be? That's your you've mocked about offensive linemen. I think offensive line is where they wanted to go. You look at

left tackle, right tackle. They can use some upgrades there long term. Um so who Humphreys is still available? And this I think this was the first spot we looked at. A Boohe big possibility. Yeah, and I think that's it's it's a very possible uh marriage here for the Bengals and a Boohey if that's the direction they decide to go. Yeah, they're a little bit different in the way they look at these linemens. So yeah, and they've always they've done a nice job though of kind of grabbing those sec

lineman as well over the years. But I agree with you about the problem I have with a Boohe is though the health you know where where you know where is he on his recovery right now? And with a boo it's not just the ACL he's been banged up his entire career. He's he's dealt with nagging issues. So

their ability is something you have to factor in. Yeah, all right, I think the Jones kid is sort of this year shazier at this point that they're nervously hoping that he Well, what's what's gonna be interesting is if Pittsburgh who Pittsburgh takes and and they have two big needs pass rush corner that yeah, to me, see that's where that's where you look at Pittsburgh and they can say they could take the outside linebacker and they seem to always take a guy ahead of the Cowboys that

they like. But I think, to me, you have to be and looking just ahead. I think a booie. I think that's a that's a possibility there, and then I would worry about Jones or bud Dupree going to Pittsburgh. I think they would be okay if Pittsburgh did take bud Dupree. I think they would be okay with that because I don't think they expected it to be so they did. Well. They're getting a little more nervous in here. I mean, Junior's pacing and it's more intense. It's just

like it was last year before their pick came. So they're they're sweating something they're feeling pretty good about. Yeah, yeah, we're staying there. Now, who do we say on Cincinnati's pick is in what we say about their needs. Again, we thought it was going to be offensive linemen here that Yeah, they've got Whitworth and Andre Smith at the tackle position to veterans, both about to be free agents. Yeah,

we're thirty four years old. If he's in the long term future, I think it's that guard safety, Yeah, George Iloka and Reggie Nelson and no safety off the board yet well tied end offensive tackle, you know, and then safety were the three that Collins is there. Yeah, I just think I think I think Danish, right, whoever it could be. It could be Humphries, it could be a

buoy I think it's gonna be an offensive tackle here. Again, they do not want to pay guys they traditionally that's not there, and that's fine with the Cowboys if they take those guys. Yeah, in my mock draft, I had them taking Eric Flowers, but obviously that's not Flowers has gone long gone by this point, So I think the next likely possibilities of Boohy, that's who I think we saw. There's a connection there, and again a buoy is coming off at acl Texas a and m product out of

Alan High School. Probably a top ten pick. Yeah, the al and we're talking below the way. It says a lot about him that he's being considered the first horrific feat. You love the fluidity, you love the change of direction for a big man like that upper body. You worry about the hand placement, you worry about the technique. He needs work. Here we go, We got the commissioner here. We're the twenty first pick in the two thy fifteen NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals st Cedric. They nailed it.

He has studied this draft. I crammed last night, where did you have dupri By the way, why is he sliding? You have him? And in your mock? Where did I have him? I had him early, had him six. Yeah, that's what's going on with him. That is a good question. I don't talking talking to some teams. They I know some teams had him as a second round player. Yeah, great, No, And you just you wonder about did teams see him as a three four backer? They see him as a four three? And do they see him as a guy

that can play both? Do they see him as a guy that's maybe a tweener. I think that's something that an opinion it's going to be different team to team depending on who you talk to. But with the Steelers on the clock, now, I think this is where you look at Bud dupre. Yeah, this Budd Dupree, he's not. The Steelers are one of those teams that always cleans up the mess. Somebody slides down the board. It happened

to us one time in the draft room. Kendrell Bell we took we took Quincy Carter, and we had Kendrell Bell as a first round grade at linebacker and the very ORGI yeah, the very next pick, they took Kendrill Bell and he made They made AFC Rookie of the Defensive Rookie of the Year. So that just shows you right there, the Steelers do a great job of draft. And I just don't I just don't see Budd Dupreet slide.

He was the tenth best player on my board. All right, here's what they've got on their depth chart at outside linebacker, Arthur Moates, who was unrestricted free action from Buffalo, James Harrison and Jarvis Jones, of course, was a first round draft pick two years ago. And you hate to call h you hate to use the bust word, but he's not listed first team there. James Jarvis Jones has been

a bus for a top two Georgie kid. Right, yeah, yeah, see that's what I think that, Like I said, when you look at theirs according to my deal, cornerback, we talked about Jones being a potential there. But the outside linebacker rusher, you know that that would be need number two in safety. Being the fact that they lost Troy Polamalou. I think that you know that you'd have to say that that Collins could be a guy here. But I

just Budd Dupre of all the guys that are left. Again, Brian brought his tenth best player on his top fifty. Bud Dupre makes a hell of a lot of sense for me at that outside linebacker spot that could be a rusher. And Dupres for me was eighteen on my board. So we're getting into the area where I think he

makes a lot of sense. Um, it's hard to find players that are better than Dupris at this point, especially pass rushers right a position we know that not too many teams are set and say and we don't need a pass rusher. So pick is in for Pittsburgh. Be interesting to see what they do here. Landon Collins is a guy safety from Alabama who's sliding on down here. It's like, though I did that Landing Collins is wrong.

He's a strong safety. Yeah, that's where you know, if you want to drive, if you want a guy, I'd play him an outside linebacker if it was me. Definitely in your nickels him, put him as an outside linebacker. Buchanon. Yeah, they're to start exactly exactly. Yeah, the Steelers, and they're showing a graphic here about the secondary and guys that

that they've you know, that they've gone through and stuff. Now, so yeah, I think along those lines with Landon Collins, there's the role that you have for him his rookie year, and then he becomes your strong safety. I mean even when you've got to in the Cowboys situation, you got two safeties in Church and Wilcox. But but the Cowboys have been in search of that free safety forever. Yes, And and the free safety might come from a kid at Arizona State, Marius Rand. Yeah, that might be the

best free safety. And depending on you know, if you want to move some guys around. But he's got some corner skills too. Absolutely, he does yeah, I'm in the Nickel. Absolutely. We talked about the safety class. If you don't get your safety early, you're not getting your safety in this class in just a weak position. So that's why landing Collins the Marius Randall good chance. We could hear their names here shortly in the first round, later part of

the first round. Yeah, they're just kind of talking about things right now. This pick's been in for a while though, hadn't in as it are they still on the clock. I felt like that they had already the pick had been in. There is in, Yeah, and they're making their way. Here comes the commissioner with the twenty second pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Bud Dupris. We go, mine, there we go. We wasn't gonna slide

much longer now, sure wasn't sure. Wasn't at all perfect pick for Pittsburgh right there, considering their situation at outside linebacker. So Detroit is up. It's Detroit, followed by Arizona at twenty four, Carolina twenty five, Baltimore twenty and then Dallas. So four picks before the Cowboys. Now this is interesting. Twenty three, the Lions. We have a trade. Yeah, yeah, Denver's now on the clock. So who's Denver going up to get ahead of Arizona. It's either a tackle or

it's uh someone on defense. It's it's it's a v it's got to be a defensive player. They've got age at that at their you know, maybe could this be where they're talking about, you know, uh looking at a guy what was outside linebacker? They lost the pre just then maybe who would be the next best uh edge rusher that's potentially could be an outside linebacker? Did they feel good about Randy Gregory, about Shane How about Shane Ray? I had that in my mock draft. So did you yeah,

you'd be all for that? Yeah? I think. I mean, to me, you've got to look at if you're if you're there. They obviously would when in when Bud Dupree went off, they're thinking about, okay, wait, we can't lose the next best guy, so let me see here. And I think the bigger concern for teams and outside rusher, I mean, that would be one of Denver's needs if they go on the close. The incident for Shane Ray this week is not something that is a concern. I

don't think the NFL team. It's one of those things where if you were on the fence with Shane Ray, it worries you a little bit. But if you if you know his background, it's not the greatest background to begin with. And what sets up really interesting though two here, guys, is with Detroit now getting out of that pick, that

was a team that could looked at a cornerback. Ye, so you know you look at with with the pick now going to Denver, you know, not needing a quarterback, but that takes Detroit out of the mix, puts them behind Dallas at twenty eight. So that's gotta be something that you gotta maybe dodge a little bit of a bullet there Detroit not making a pick. We have the terms of the trade. What Denver I have not. I've

not seen that. I've not seen that. It was a small move, small move from twenty eight to twenty three. On the third, let's see what they think. My man Dave Helmet took off and left our lefty. Bill. You got that right in front of you there. Let's see Baltom. I mean, Denver six sixty moved up to seven sixty. So one hundred points, so they would be a fourth early fourth and yeah, late third. So thirty two thirty two would that be the number that they would go with.

A hundred is is the value to move up? So they just need one hundred points there, Yeah, and that's one thirty two for their third round pick. What was the what was in the trade to go up two spots to get Gordon? We never saw it. What did they get? That was fifth? Next year? Right? The fifth win next Yeah, fifth win next year? I believe it is what it was. So anyway, but uh yeah, that's uh all right. So so the players, the Cowboys are looking at right now, which what guys are they? That's

Byron Jones is their guy right now? What's the pecking order you think? I think that that Byron Jones would be their number one guy left on the corners of the PJ. Williams, Byron Jones, Okay, Jalen cons and Derby. I think that would be their order. Did Byron Jones have a first round grade? Yes? He did? Well, I mean on my board he did. I don't know about their board. What do you think? Well, let's put it this way. Randy Gregory, who we think is a first

round player, right, and Byron Jones are there? Which at direction? Do you think the Cowboys although you had him in the second round, I had, I had Gregory in the second round, I'd second, i'd second round, and well, I think Gregory and Jones are both two guys that you can see some first round you see second round. I think those guys are very close. So if it comes down to Byron Jones or Randy Gregory, I don't feel

confident picking one or the other. Yeah, for the Cowboys, I think they might, which is why they're not doing anything. Malcolm Brown at defensive tackle, Humphreys and what about the Harold kid? Eli Harold there's another name. See, I just don't think that they would. I think the highest I just believe, Yeah, I believe the highest rated guy on their board potentially if you just talk about top ten player.

Here's the terms of the trade. Two fifths and Manny Ramirez, so a player oh Texas, a fifth this year, a fifth next year, and a guard. So does that key in on who they're taking here? So interesting Denver, a team that needed some O line helped traded away an offensive lineman, probably for defense. Yeah, I just think that to me, it's any of these linebackers the Cowboys would

consider at twenty seven. Those are the wild cards. I think that's a direction where if you get wiped out, then you look at the linebackers and if they go, I think McKinney, Shack Thompson, Um Kendrick. I think you know, it's anyone's guests which linebacker they would prefer at that point. Broncos selection. Here we go. The commission Mary Mayans have

traded the twenty third pick to the Denver Broncos. With the twenty third pick in the two thousand and fifteen NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select Shane Ray to get him. Once again, Brugler is on his game, Jane Ray to the Broncos. Brian said it too. It's uh, Shane Ray. It's it's a little risky. But they went up and got him a player that a week ago we had mocked in the top ten. Yeah, now you get him at twenty three. Now, when we look back at this a few years from now, it could be a heck

of a value. Could look like they gave up a little too much to go get a player with some red flax. Okay, Now, what does Minnesota want with the twenty fourth pick? Arizona Arizona Minnesota, here comes, here comes the bag d Tred What does Minnesota want with I think Arizona Arizona is gonna stand in there and make a pick. I don't think they docet went to San Francisco and free Yeah, I think they haven't. I don't think they resigned Tommy Kelly. So defensive line, yeah, I

think outside Brown doesn't fit in the three four. Well, here here's possible needs. It's outside linebacker, offensive line, inside linebacker. So I think that to me, Arizona has always struggled with their offensive line. That's a team. Yeah, I mean I can up in North Carolina. Yeah, I cam Irving was a player I thought made a lot of sense there. But obviously he's off the board. So who would be the best tackle on your board? Still, Dan Humphries, Yeah,

that makes Humphries. Could they go guard with can? Would that be a surprise shock pick? It would be a surprise. That's a little early. Cowboys would be fine with that. Yeah, they're fine with Humphrey too. And if you talk about outside linebackers, Kendricks Thompson, those kind of guys. I just

think that they they've already got in Buchanan. See I think Thompson right now to start off with, especially in the three, well, three four, he'd playing inside, I guess, but he's I think his rookie year, he's your nickel linebacker. As I'm picturing him here in Dallas, he would be right in the nickel and as he works his way into the lean playmaker. What do you guys think the Cowboys are going through right now? Three picks away? Are they looking at trading down? No? Already, No, I don't

think so. Is there a chance they're looking to we might be over rating Byron Jones on their board. It's possible, Yeah, we might. We might be overrating with Byron Jones is on their board. I think they like Malcolm Brown. I just have a feeling they like. I don't see them taking a look at him as versatile, but he's really he plays as really the best as a one technique.

I mean, I agree, he's versatile. I think he could play anywhere from the zero to five realistically, But the Cowboys obviously they don't have him as a one in a three. They have him pegged I think probably as A one. I think they probably do, and so isn't the rule though, if you don't have anybody left on your first round board that you get out, it's possible. Is it possible they don't have a bad left but they're picking second round guys anyway at twenty seven? Yeah,

there's only there's not typically eighteen first round grade. Yeah, right, so so you're picking a round guy anyway. When when the noise was made about Travis Frederick, well they had a second round grade on him? Well, yeah, because yeah, there are first round very few first round first round grades ended before twenty Yeah. I'm just if you, if you're the Cowboys, are you thinking about moving up a few spots to get a guy that you're I'm wondering

if it's Byron Jones, Byron Jone? Yeah, Randy Gregory, Well, do you move up a little bit to get him? Guarantee? Well, the team's between you now, Baltimore twenty six worries me. I think they have a lot of the same needs. Could go corner, could go pass Rusher. So do you move up two spots to get to Carolina? I think I think they're sitting. I think they're gonna sit this one. I don't see. I don't see. I'd see Carolina is

standing in there and making a pick. And if if that's the case, then that tells you that they feel comfortable with multiple guys here. They feel comfortable with multiple players who okay, who behind them? Who behind them could jump them and get and get Jones of the of the guys left. I mean, you look at the teams New England, US, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Green Bay, Indianapolis, and Detroit. Detroit's behind you and they could use a corner. But

I just don't see. The only team I see potentially diving out or getting out of there could be Baltimore. I think Carolina stands in there and makes a pick. I really do. Well, we've talked about DJ Humphries for Carolina, but if he goes off the board here at Arizona, maybe things for Carolina. Yeah, well, well let's see who this Arizona pick is if it ever gets announced. Somebody just said something hilariously funny in the Cowboys room. Well

I think that again. I think they're talking about Randy Gregory on the draft ship. Yeah, yeah, if they're listening, you think they're listening. I just think that. You know, Steven, you hear that those idiots are talking about Randy Gregor. They haven't even mentioned the guy that we're talking about. Look at you know the other thing when you're considering either Byron Jones or Gregory, just the difference in makeup of the of the two players, take the position away

and all that. I mean, it's a squeaky clean Byron Jones thirty three on the wonderlick? Is that what it wasn't? And then Gregory is sitting there with a he didn't know who Darren Woodson was though that ye can't be that smart? Which is better value Dane greg at this point, Gregory or Jones. Gregory or Jones if they if they both get to twenty seven. And I've been on record from the start of this draft that Gregory's going to be a bust. Yeah, well he's already been busted. Yeah

with Gregory, if you're I like him. I like Gregory I the talent better, but I also like him better in a three four now if man on a good day, now can he play strong side linebacker? And like the Vikings fifteen NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select dj Humphrey. There you go. Yeah, one of you called that. Who called that brought us? We're talking him. They both they just nail every pick, it's all they do. So now we're talking with uh two picks away. Yeah, and I

told you guys, I think Carolina stands in there. I think so too. I think, so what do they need? Well, and we look at offensive line, we look at defense, and on defense, they've brought in a few players. Uh, Shack Thompson, a linebacker who could be a Thomas Davis type of player for them. Yeah, Carolina looking at offensive tackle, safety, wide receiver, linebacker would be uh something in the sub

they're looking for, like a sub linebacker, right. Jack Thompson makes some sense played as a sub backer they brought. They brought him in, and so I think you have to keep that in mind. Safety's a possibility here. But now I'm with you. I think if they're not gonna go offensive line with with DJ Humphries, I think DJ Humphries would have been the pick. Yeah, Charlotte native, they need offensive line help. Um, But with him off the board here at Arizona, I agree. I think Shack Thompson

makes some sense. And I think some Cowboys fans would be uh more than okay with Shack Thompson going off the board. So you got Malcolm Brown, Byron Jones, and Randy Gregory. I'm sitting I'm I mean Dallas. I mean, they could try and be aggressive here and and maybe make Baltimore. But I think they're gonna get their guy,

depending on who their guy here. It's on the phone. Yeah, I mean they might, they might be see I think Dallas makes a pick at twenty seven, then I like them trading up in the second instead of waiting all the way to sixty to get to running back. Yes, you know how bad I want to running back. It'll be interesting to see. I mean Baltimore, you know, I think Byron Jones definitely. You know, they're sitting on Byron Jones.

There's I think they're sitting on Barron. They're waiting them out and yeah if if if he falls to them, that's a that's a heck of a pick if it happens. Yeah, I mean I think that they're I think they're sitting on Byron Jones right now and hoping that he makes it and hoping that Baltimore, uh, you know, or the the in front of them, doesn't you know get taken. I mean there's some high fives going on in this war room. What's what do you think's going on here?

We we've talked about we talked about the see anything about a trade, the first round board getting wiped out, your options limited. But one of these guys fall to you. Yeah, they've got their guy. They know the Carolina shakes all around the if they made a trade. No, they know what Carolina and Baltimore are doing. Okay, they got their guy. Yeah.

I think to me once once that it was once that that they kind of saw things sliding down the board, and it be interesting what Carolina is it's defense too, it's it's it's gotta be Yeah, they got their guy. Yeah, this is gonna be again. But we got who do we have on the clock right now? The lineup still Carolina picks in and they must have got win too. What Baltimore is doing somehow, well, yeah, he probably called Hardball, well let's talk about let's talk about let's talk about Baltimore.

Though John Garrett was on the phone with somebody who probably was on the phone with Hardball, and Hardball said, yeah, we're taking this guy. Okay, yeah, yeah, somebody else he knows there. Yeah, I think that. I think that that Hecky interviewed for the job. He may not, he may talk to the owner. They sat right there, we talked about having to make a move up now in fact, this is Byron Jones. Now they still got a sweat.

Evidently they got their guy. Just looking at war room camp, yeah, they've got And we've talked about Carolina needing a sub backer, maybe Shack Thompson, maybe Kendricks, one of those kinds of guys, an outside linebacker. And this clearly means that Orlando Scandric will show up to practice the offseason work on Monday, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, that's over. Yeah, So I mean I would be uh, I would be uh, you know if it fact again, everybody in the word to me, they sweated a guy.

Just looking at this right now. I know we got some picks to them, but just looking at it right now, they sweated some guys and they and evidently they got their guy. So we'll see how that all plays out. But it looks like to me a lot of happy folks in that war room for sure. I like Malcolm Brown, who do who do you who do you Byron? You're thinking Byron Jones, I think, yeah, myself, I prefer a defensive lineman. Yeah, and I prefer Malcolm Brown. I'm just

on record. This Oklahoma Sooner is on record saying I prefer the Texas Longhorn. Although I like Byron Jones a lot, I say, I prefer a world record broad jump. Yeah, I think for what was it twelve three three yeah, forty four and a half inch vertical. And you know, we talk about workout warrior, and it is Byron Jones. Just a guy that has the measurables, but his tape matches up. He can play press, he can play his zone. The way he stays in phase with receivers is terrific.

And he can play with any type of receiver, doesn't matter if it's a small guy, big guy. He can play with any type type of receivers. So they just got a heck of a corner, right, another wrinkle with this and go to the pick. Yeah, yeah, Carolina. This is interesting. Named in his honor, The Walter Payton the NFL Man of the Year Award recognizes a players community

service and playing excellence. It is the most prestigious award a player can receive to announce the selection for the Carolina Panthers, we are proud to have with us tonight the twenty fourteen Man of the Year Thomas status. Thank you for Commissioner went into Watson Payton Man of the Year award was truly the highest honor for me and my family. What it did. It gave me an opportunity with my foundation, so much support from the Commissioner, from

the Carolina Panthers and from nationwide. And with that support, we've been able to excel and take my foundation to new high and again, Commissioner, I thank you guys for that. And now with the twenty fifth pick in the two thousand and fifteen NFL Draft, the Carolina Panther select Shack Thompson linebacker. Yeah, Thomas Davison is maybe replacement down the road, Yeah exactly, not surpribly. We talked about, you know, guys,

needing uh now made him made a sub linebacker. This guy is, I mean he is a run hit, cover guy and so uh Shack Thompson guy. I think the Cowboys liked as well. But uh now you got it by Byron Jones. Where where do they play him? Initially, I mean he's a corner. He's a corner, and so I know he did play a little safety um at Yukon. I like him a corner. I'm not moving him. He's in a corner um. Like I was saying before, he

can play with any type of receiver. And and you're playing in a division with Odell Beckham, with Nelson Aglore. Now I think you need a player like this. And we talked about the Cowboys selecting players that are clean off the field. And Byron Jones is Captain America. He's he's a boy scouting, so I think it goes along with keeping mind he played for Paul Pasqualoni at Yukon, yeah, earlier in his career, right, And we're gonna hear a lot about workout warrior. We're going to hear those two

words associated with Byron Jones. I promise you it's not that. No, not at all. We're talking about a player with a tape matches up. Now. We haven't heard much about him. We didn't hear much about him in January because he was hurt. He was invited to the Senior Bowl, but he could not participate because of the shoulder. He was at the combine, couldn't run the forty, but he did do other drills, and he played for a team that was terrible at Yakon. Absolutely, and so I think that's

why he went under the radar. A little bit doesn't mean it's not a good player. Yeah, I totally agree about that. I mean, to me, you know, you watch him play and he's a he's one of those guys. He's got size. Oh yeah, he's this guy. He's got some size. He's physical, and he's a hard guy to run away from. I mean when it when you know, when you're trying to get up the field on him. He's one of those guys that can stay in position and stays in phase and yeah, and they go across

the field on him. He can burn. You know a lot of guys. When you watch a guy like Brandon car play and there's separation, this guy can plant and run and stay in position and make plays deny the football. So I think that that's you know, I think that they they sweated a picky, they caught a break. There's strobbing some people that thought maybe that you know, some Peters was a better corner. You know, obviously he went earlier to Kansas City. So Cowboys I think got the

guy they exactly want. I'm frankly, I'm surprised that he's available for the Cowboys. I think you're talking about it. That's why I think they're so elated in that war room right now. I don't think. I don't think there are twenty six better players in this draft than Byron Jones. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm totally with you on that. I read some opposite opinions though, which is interesting. There there was some. In fact, I saw another team's draft

board and they had Byron Jones considerably lowers. They had ahead of him, a good amount of a couple, a couple. Yeah, and that's what that's what, That's what. That's the thing about. It is is it gonna be? Is he? You know? Was was? Teams had Peters off the board, you know, and he went to Kansas City at eighteen. So you know, if you who who did you like at corner? You know what was your order? Everybody seemed to like the Wayne's kid from Michigan State, and then it was Kevin

Johnson and then okay, who was it? After that? Was it Peters? Was it Jones. You know again, this guy's a physical football player. All right. Now you're trader Orlando Scandrick and your second rounder for Peterson who was with me. Wait, Minnesota got Wayne so they already. Bill has to be happy though that Jones yet that you would know that you didn't get there, you know that it didn't come down. I did not see them taking Randy Gregory. I just

did not see it. This falls right in line with the same type of players that they have been drafting here recently. Uh, just a high character guy. And Zach Martin last year, Travis Frederick the year before. Uh, you know, it's it's a Jason Garrett right kind of guy. Last summer, a lot of players are kind of relaxing, doing their own thing, working out Byron Jones was serving an internship at the US Capital. That's the type of player that he is. Um, that's that's a type of individual, very

motivated individual, high character kids. So, uh, I mean twenty six hasn't picked yet, But no, I mean we keep talking about it. It's done, it's done. Yeah, well I believe it now it's done that, you know. But okay, Well, thinking about Baltimore, you know we've We've looked at Baltimore and I know I've looked at Baltimore and I've always thought about wide receiver speed. You know, somebody, uh, somebody

that could go get the football. You know that the Ravens, you look at their team needs corner that might be. I know we're kind of celebrating here, but the selections in I you're nervous. It's in. I think it's a receiver. I really do the corner, receiver, running back with their needs Devin Smith in the tournament, I believe in NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select for the pyramid. Here we go. Yeah,

I guarantee you. Garrett was on the phone with somebody in the Baltimore organization and they said, we're taking That's how they next when they knew that they had their guy. And someone was talking to Carolina too. Well, that means Dallas is officially on the clock and so and we are all speculating here, like the whethers the this they could do in the the the election night, we're giving

the state of Florida too. I'd say what we saw in the war room cam a few a few minutes ago is what we're feeling right now, Byron Jones is on it's still available. Cowboys are on the clock. Yeah, that's as It's gonna be a great, a great marriage if that's what happens. Isn't it funny how this happens where they celebrated ten minutes ago? I mean, how they have intelligence Wheah, they can make a call and it's easy enough. I mean it'd be like you calling another

TV stay, So who do you young? What do y'all doing today? Now? Nobody takes my calls anymore? Jones, something that I'm sure will be asked of Jerry and uh, you know, the brain trust. If they got any offers, they're not gonna give away particulars. But if they got any interesting offers to trade back. But with Byron Jones on the board, I don't think clearly, unless something blows you away, you take the player. Clearly, there's nobody. They're

not interested. They're not there's nobody's answering any phones here anything like that. They got to trade up in the second though, they're gonna wait all the way to say do you get that running back? Wait all the way to say they're not gonna get Tom there? Well, are they gonna get what about Duke Johnson? Are they gonna get him there? Yeah? I think that to me, I mocked up Dulap thinking that maybe if it didn't stretch. But see, that's the thing about it, and we'll know tomorrow.

We'll know tomorrow night too that what you have is teams and we don't like short running backs and Duke Johnson falls into that category of a short guy. Pick is in that would be Baltimore's pick, right or is that Dallas house in? Height is maybe the least important quality for a running back, right. Build? Okay, you know you can, you can talk me into that. But height. Look at Barry Standers, look at look at Himmett, look at some of these great running backs you've seen the league.

If anything, it's it helps you because the you run closer to the ground protection type. And I think it goes back to build. You know, your overall strength or growth potential. Um. You know, obviously if you're shorter, that probably means you're you're gonna max out at you know, two ten and whatever it is. And that's what and that's a worry with a player like Duke Johnson and Mirabdulah is uh, they are shorter, but they are leaner too.

There's only so much bills you can put on them. Boy, Abdulah is another one that fits right into this Byron Jones type a high character. Well yeah, and if you look at Abdulah, though, I felt like that there was two teams that I watched where there were huge holes every time they ran the football, and that would be that would be Nebraska and Wisconsin. So you know when he watched Gordon play, you know, he had huge holes to run through. But Duke Johnson, boy, that poor guy.

Other than the left tackle, it was it was tough sledding for him, a lot of creating on his own. If if if Jerry's right, and they don't feel as urgent as some of us do at running back, and it goes to the third round beside Langford from Michigan State, who who's there the third round? Yeah? If you wait to the third round to get the run? Well okay, what about yeah? What about you know? Yeah, it's Dvid Johnson about Yelden. Would you think Yeldon would be a third?

I think he's going second. Yeah, but I think you know, you feel comfortable waiting at sixty and see follows you, I think a running back will fall into them. I do. I didn't think. How about Jagi's second and will you consider him the third with a knee, right, yeah, I'm not taking him at sixty. No, No, I don't think this team would either. Cowboys. I don't think the Cowboys would at sixty yeah, with that knee. But at ninety one you consider it. And that's why you don't feel

pressured to take a running back at six. I didn't feel like it because I took Abdula and I and I knowing damn good and well that he would probably be gone, you know. But again, I'm banking on the short running back. That's why I think Duke Johnson makes it to sixty because of the short running back. I just I kind of I know you're you're grimacing right now about it. You think Coleman makes it to sixty.

No way, there's no way. I mean I think you look at yeah, the Jags in the second, I think they're gonna take a running back, the Lions, or possibility at the Cardinals. Um, so it's gonna be a long shark for Coleman. Uh and probably even Duke Johnson. Let's be honest, it's it's gonna be We will be swepting that out tomorrow. How that plays out. Yeah, By the way, as soon as they make the pick, I'm gonna have to run out of here. It's ten o'clock. Yeah, you

know where you do? You know where your sports aker is. Yeah, so I'm gonna have to head down to the interview room here in just a second. But I want to hear the pick. Yeah, I I you know again that they you know, if you look at the war room cam, everybody's very excited. This is a player that obviously they had uh sitting on their board that they felt like it probably was the third best corner there, you know.

And the fact that that you know, there was a lot of people didn't think that the cornerback would stretch that far. You know, I know that we we trade made a small trade up to get a guy. We made a trade up twenty one and Byron Jones is already off the board. Yeah, we Byron Jones is the player that Again, I don't think there are twenty six better players in this draft than Byron Jones, right, So you know that's that and that's good and if that's gain,

if that's the pick. Again, weird speculating. Here we go here, Commissioner.

The twenty seventh pick to fifteen NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Byron Jones, defensive beck of the pick, Connecticut six to one, one hundred ninety nine pounds and the hero of the combine numbers from Byron Jones forty four and a half vertical, a world record twelve three broad jump, a three nine four twenty yard short shuttle, and a six seven eight three comb But he plays athletically, That's that's not That's not a a like a guy that for three with a one fifty split. Yeah, that's not.

We've been I mean, okay, we've been. We've been singing his praises. But I'll read you some of his week decisions. Just it's even this out let's you know, Uh, with Byron Jones, you have a player he can get caught flat footed at times. He allows his eyes to pay rent in the backfield. I mean, he's not a flawless player. He does have his flaws, but I think the strengths

far outway the weaknesses here. You're really the surgery with his shoulder is something that obviously they were comfortable with two. He missed most of his senior year after shoulder surgery. It was what the right shoulder, I believe, and so or no the left shoulder. At his pro day he was able to do eighteen reps and so Cowboys aren't

afraid of guys coming in injured. Never happened now. In his career his U in two thousan eleven and two twelve, he played safety, making twenty starts, and in the last two years at Yukon played cornerback. And I think we can. I'm sure we'll get these questions, but I think we can put at the rest Byron Jones will be a cornerback for this team. Yeah. I agree on that too. Me for Brandon Carr, some of that leverage moving back

over to the Cowboys side. They can take another corner in this draft, sure, and then what does it mean even more to Brandon? For Brandon Carr, I gotta run out of here. Yeah, I just you know, yeah, thank you, Bill, I tell you what I mean the things. I was just going in through it and kind of piggybacking on what Dane And we'll have a report up on Dallas Cowboys dot Com about Byron Jones and my notes and

stuff like that. You know, I said physical and the press moves well to get in position, nice power to hold receiver up, can mirror receiver high point ball pedal turn goes smooth, not much wasted motion with this player plays with knees or bent. You know, thought maybe if you look for a little bit of weak and says talking to some people about his balance. There was sometimes when we might see a little bit of some stuff with his balance. But other than that, read the route

quick all that. So as you can see, they put the cover back over the screen, so we're back to looking at as they're doing to quelas shot exactly. Cigars are up. Let me reintroduce sorry, Steve Dennis, one of our trusted allies here on the break does it out of great work on the television side. One of my favorite guys, by the way, my roommate at training camp,

but one of the guys here at Valley Ranch. And I'm gonna say this that I always believe one of the guys that comes here and did and worked hard every day and asked tough questions and I always respect you for that. So thank you for joining us today and then Dame Brugler from CBS Sports, who's been sitting here all night filling your head full of knowledge picking these players, giving the idea, going back and forth part of the Draft show. Love having him. Kent Garrison and

Lauren Soaklin there as well. So everybody's here as the Cowboys have made the pick, the Lions selection for the Lions is up, and we'll go to him. Most people had a second sorry about that. I was cheerleading there a little bit. Lake and Tomlinson is it's interesting because they just received a guard from Denver in that trade, right right, and they have a kid from Kentucky that we liked a couple years ago to the draft Lincoln right on his name at guard Wolford. Yes, Larry Wolford. Yeah,

so it's an interesting pick right there. He's a very clean he might be the cleanest player in this draft. You know one comment, I had him in the third round though I was a little nervous about that. Yeah, I didn't have him that. I didn't have him that high, So yeah I did. I thought this again. You talk about a guy, he's what's good to med school. He's one of those med school guys that He's born Jamaica, right, YEA just an interesting story. But again you you're talking

about it powerful guy. I mean you'll see a powerful guy. I don't. I worry a little bit about his pass blocking overall. But he is a big physical guy inside. But I myself did not have him but in the third round, So quick comment on Byron Jones, because you guys broke down his abilities on the football field really well.

I got stuck back here in the hallway at Valley Range when Mike Woisick was given him the tour hour of the building, and I couldn't move, so I had to listen to the conversation that Woisick and Coach Henderson had with the kid. You talk about a mature kid, right, and not afraid. I mean he was cracking jokes with these guys with a big smile. This is not one of those young kids that comes in and it all seems like, oh my gosh, I'm with the Dallas Cowboys here.

Huge personality and very mature is what I gathered in ten minutes of listening to a conversation here. You're always very critical, Steve of the Garrett guy. Not critical in the negative way, but critical of like, is this a Garrett guy? Is this a Jason Garrett type of a player? Byron Jones, You sound like listening to your interaction with him was a perfect Jason Garrett. No. The only time I get critical of the Garrett guy he preaches that

and then they signed Greg Hardy. Yeah, that's that's the only time I get critical of that, because there's a disconnect between the front office and Garrett in my opinion sometimes. But yeah, this is definitely the right kind of guy Byron Jones. I'm telling you, big personality, big personality coming in here. Yeah. Well, I'm excited that. You know again, you know, this captain team needed to cornerback. I'm just kind of going through, uh the notes here, the people

tweeting in here on at the Draft show. Uh, you know, it seemed very happy about the pick of Byron Jones, telling him welcome to Dallas, all those things. Greg Bailey said, I called it Byron Jones. You remember discussion of my question on the show. I'm sure we'll get a lot

of folks that the revisionist history. But I think great congratulations though, if in fact made that call, I think without the Draft show, uh, we might be who knows what the reaction might be, but I think you know, we've done a good job talking about this players as a likely possibility. Yeah, and and again thank you everybody.

It's kind of followed along with us. Uh. We still got picks to be made to finish out this round Detroit again, if I could just recap going up to let me go up to there was a trade by Denver UH to Detroit at twenty three to grab Shane Ray. Arizona then took DJ Humphreys. Carol line of followed up with Shack Thompson, and then Baltimore took Brichade Perriman and the wide receiver from Centralorida. And then that left the

Cowboys with Byron Jones, who we've been talking about. Denver now back excume me Detroit back in the round with Denver's pick, and they take Lake and Tomlinson the guard from Duke. And so now it means that the Indianapolis Colts would be on the clock, Dane thinking about maybe receiver. Here, you're I think with the Colts. I think all along we've been thinking secondary, maybe pass rush. But I'm with you on receiver. I'm with you on maybe adding some

speed here. Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all, right there, I really and for a team that has are already on the roster t Y Hilton, plenty of speed right there. They drafted the old mis receiver last year early, but they could go receiver again here. You want to get Andrew luck weapons. You want to be able to surround him with playmakers. Perriman's off the board, Oglers off the board, thinking Phil Dorset here, Yeah, I think that you're talking about and they've and and this

this team has a history of taking Miami receivers. If if you go back and look at and I know, uh, Reggie Wayne one of the greatest ever to to to lace him up there for the Colts. Uh, this is a kid when you talk about and and I love or set for the reason of he plays to his speed. He is a guy when you watch him run, when you watch him run those routes, he plays to his speed. And that's that's impressive. That that and and you see him when he gets a ball in his hands, he's

gonna he's gonna run through tackles. He's gonna also, uh, you know, separate. This is a really an outstanding, outstanding player. We've seen a little run on receivers here. If this is who we think it could be talking about what six receivers now, well, if you go back and look at it started really with Davante Parker at Miami at fourteen.

Then you had uh Aguilar at Philadelphia twenty and then now Perryman at twenty six, and potentially if you if you are right, Dane uh, Philip Tor said, and I see I see nothing but but positive about him as a as a receipt again, I love I love the player. I love the way he plays with a chip. I think he's got a little bit of one of Miami. Those kids, they've all got the swagger. Of course we've all known that. But this kid, man, you throw it to him and he is going to get it done.

He can fly, there's no about. Yeah. He worries me somewhat. Um can he stay healthy? Uh? He worries me a little smaller guy. The ball skills are okay, yeah, they're not great, they're not horrible. So but but for a guy that runs that fast and you're talking about potentially down here at down here at at twenty nine, you know, I think that that's where you know you have to you start thinking, okay, waters, are we gonna get a

shot at this guy in the second round? You know, is that that's where you start now having to u educate yourself of Okay, we're not gonna get this guy in the second round. We gotta hit this pick right now. I thought I thought Door set at thirty one of the scenes that would be the pick, but maybe not. I'm gonna run Due TV real quick. Okay, I'm gonna leave you this tweet from Des Bryant, who said that Byron Jones he better be a dog. I'm sure. I'm sure Byron Jones will be happy to you. Guys. Let

me to run anybody in Nick Keeping or anybody. Now, we're good, Okay, we'll finish this guy's go. Yeah, thank you so much, man, I appreciate that. Steve Dennis from our television department. Uh, Dame Brugler again joining you here with me finishing out this draft. We've only got uh, let's see four more picks to be made. Uh, the Indianapolis Colts or on the clock, we were trying to speculate who they potentially could take. Let's focus ahead. Maybe Green Bay would be the next pick at thirty. You

talked about Randall quite a bit. Well, and could this be You've talked about him potentially as a first round type of a talent, and here I am. I mocked him as a sixty. My gut tells me I'm not gonna be right about that at all. Well, and one of my quote unquote bold predictions was Damarius Randall would be the first safety drafted and in the first round. Yeah, so we we're running out of picks here, We'll see.

I'm not feeling good about my Bryce Petty. Okay, okay, Well, Garrison was telling me we're about to go to the Prescott. Ready to go? Now, we're okay. In about one minute, we're gonna go and hear from Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, probably Jason Garrett, all gonna talk to us about Byron Jones and where they had him on the board. I'm sure Gary will gonna be Jerry will be very giddy and happy. I'm sure we'll hear all the great things

from Jason Garrett about the right kind of guy. Okay, can't we got The Colts selection is coming up right now, so let's go to the Colts. The Indianapolis Colts select Philip dors Here we go, six wide receiver off the board. Yeah, and a player that heck, if you're the Colts, you're just put speed out there. Let Andrew luck, you know, distribute the rock and uh, good luck and good thing to Tuck. The Texans drafted Kevin Johnson because they're gonna need all the corners they could they can use to

cover these guys. And look look at port Jacory Shephard. Yeah, this and we were there that we were watching We're watching Senior Bowl, uh tape right now, and yeah, he was. You could definitely see the separation blurs. I was. I was sitting with Bucky Brooks, h with the you know, with the NFL networking, Bucky old former scout, and he and I were talking. He goes, he was broad, has

you ever seen this kid? I said, no, I don't know much about him, and I was just getting into the draft and he goes, watch this kid run, and it was there was some serious separation. Honestly, I gave him a second third round grade. I did because I worry about a lot of things, the ball skills, that worry about him staying healthy. But with that speed, I understand why you're taking him late first round. Absolutely, well, I was. I was luckily I had him in the

second round. And again you're looking for guys at this point at the end. This guy's got a lot of talent and he does. So. All right, we go forward now to h with the thirtieth pick with the Green Bay Packers, and I you as one of your five. You mentioned that you talked about Randall safety. It's being when the first safe first round. Yeah, and I think that's when we talk about Randall. I think we could be talking. We talked about a player that's in the

nickel can play corner. And for the Packers, I think that versatility is awfully intriguing. They have a need a corner, they need some depth there. Yeah, I think you know, this makes some sense. We could look at linebacker here for them, Malcolm Brown still on the board, defensive tackle right if you look, let me just read I'm scrolling up to the team needs here for the Green Bay Packers.

But safety seem one. And again, that was a team that I got to study at the end of the year because of the playoff game, and it seemed to me that the Packers, we're thinking about. So let's go to the press conference for the announcement. Damn goose quiet in here. Okay, we'll be short with our statements and then basically go questions more than anything. But we've got a guy here that we probably knew as much about

as anybody in the draft. Pascaloni coach team, and we had scout that knew his position, coaches and spent a lot of time with him. So we felt real good about our evaluation of Byron and h and I'm talking about the evaluation of him as a player. He did play two years at safety as well as his uh what he can do at a corner, so that was pretty prominent in our decision to take him. Stephen, Well, I just think, uh, you know, at the end of the day, I think, you know, our work paid off.

I think we, you know, had really done our work on this. We knew it was gonna be a long wait when you're down at twenty seven, and uh, but we felt really good about what might happen for us. And you know, we're trying to get linked in the secondary and uh, obviously he fits that. And uh he's a really good football player, a really good person, both on and off the field, great character and obviously think we made a good, solid pick here. Yeah, certainly the right kind of guy, A guy who is just a

really impressive football player. He showed that as a starter for two years at safety and then starting a corner for two years. Productive player, a guy who plays the right way, a guy that has a tremendous amount of potential but also has a chance to play early because of his athletic ability, his versatility, and Frank's experience. So

we spent a lot of time with him. Coach Pasqualone coached him, and we got an up close view of him from our conversations with him and had a chance to bring him in here, had great visits with him, We worked him out, spent a lot of time with him. We think he's going to be a good football player.

Was a hard waiting and then seeing if he was in a ball Were there any moments where he thought he could go here or to jovin pretty good intelligence that he would be there at twenty seven for you, No, we did not have any intelligence had made us think he'd be there at all, And it was hard waiting for sure and h but uh it it worked out for us. I think we were fortunate for when you put in the crosshairs our team needs the type player

is our coaches. Not only did his coaches, but our coaches were particularly on the table for him throughout our evaluation process. All position coaches I'm talking, did you ever get anty and think about moving up for him or I mean because he was falling or coming to you ever get a point where you wanted to need to move up for him? Uh, there's an urge. There's an urge as you as you watch twenty six other players

roll out there. Uh, there there is an urge. But that is the art of of the process of so to speak, to use your word, but seriously, there that's the anxiety that is involved there. Uh. We didn't really see a lot of trading possibilities, but we certainly we're keeping our eyes open in case a real bargain had

come along. Regarding a trade consideration at all, we didn't we uh have him, had him rated high on our board, but we also uh from the get go have pinpointed if we could not reach for a player, but if we could find a player, uh with Hardy having brought in Hearty, but if we could find a player that could potentially be a corner that if we get Claybourne back we are anticipating and hopeful that could also be a free safety and an excellent free safety. Then that

was the ideal fit. As far as the position to draft for us, there was no question and so uh we we were never tempted to do anything moving around to do anything about any other player up there. Uh, especially the player you're talking about there. And then when we were able to get the player that we really wanted, the position that we wanted, then that made that non consideration to get it done. No, lords, we waited on a chance to see if we were going to be

able to get this corner safety. We talk about paying his ability to do both. Yeah. Again, a lot of times will take a player and you'll project him to another position, say he has the physical traits to go be this. Uh, he has the physical traits to go play safe. He even though he's played corner of the last couple of years. But what gives us a lot of confidences you see him play free safety for two

years as a starter. They had two real good corners when he was a young player coming into school there, so they wanted to get him out on the field, and he played safety. So you see that tape. You like what you see on that tape as a young player. So I do believe it's a realistic projection for him to play corner in this league and also played free

safety in this league. He has the athletic ability, he has the experience, and you know, he's one of those guys that you really thinks a great upside the first tournament one or the other as a rookie. We'll have those conversations. We do anticipate him starting out as a cornerback and then depending on how the health of the secondary is, you know, the opportunity to move him to

safety is certainly realistic. And you know, again Mo Claiborne someone who's worked very hard or hopefully he can come back and get to the level he's that we think he's capable of playing at. And again, his flexibility, his letic ability, his experience, talking about Byron Jones, gives you

a chance to play a couple different spots. Us he had this crazy broad jump, but the combine recrup did that jump out of you all did on June when he did that the combine, I mean, did he he kind of popped out, but that's one of the reasons you go to the combine. You want to see these guys move around. You want to see him run, you want to see him jump, you want to see him change direction, And certainly that was something that was very impressive. Not only was the broad jump great, but the vertical

leap was outstanding. But we also thought the movement was really good. So he had an impressive combine workout. But let's go back to his experience as a player, to your starter safety, to your starter at corner. This is not a workout warrior that we drafted. We drafted a football player we really think plays the right way and as a chance to really develop and a couple of different spots for us, you have him as a verst

round great inquire to Toma. We don't get into our grade, but he was certainly in our top fifteen sixteen players on the board. Stephen, after seeing how this first round way, obviously you know you can't really reject he's going to fall to twenty seven. But does it give me confidence going intomorrow that you know some guys might slip to you guys there, Yeah, I think it does I think we talked about it, and I think this was going

to be the hardest part of the draft. I think once you get into the you know, you get into the second round, you know, the opinions start to vary in terms of what people want and what fits their systems and that type of thing. And I think there's a better chance that, you know, some of the guys that we think might really work for us, that we have on our board, I think it gets easier to feel like they may come to you where we're sitting.

So I do think and I think we thought coming in here that this would be the toughest part of it is waiting, you know, when everybody has a lot of these gays sorted pretty similar in the first fifteen picks, and then you start to see some variations. But you know, I think from here on out, uh, you know, we could see some guys that will feel really good about and maybe not have to sweat as much. Maybe we're choosing between two or three gas. You mend your mold.

How does this decision affect the opening decision you have in the situation you have with car and Scan? How does bringing on Jones It is not it does not. We were so fortunate last year to play and have car and Scandric and without Mold not to have had an injury there. With our corners, this was the closest thing to a position that we thought we could get

in trouble with was our corner. The next thing that we thought we could improve the defense as much as any place and do some things we haven't done, is to have a free safety type roaming so to speak, that you really would think of a free safety. So a combination of things happened here. It really did address some pretty dire circumstances numbers at corner, but it also allows us to possibly do some things at safety. So

it had two or three things. The most important thing is that we thought we could live if we didn't strike well at pass rusher. We thought in this draft I'm talking about, we thought we could live if we didn't strike well at running back, A place where we did not think that we would feel good in sleep, right, is if we didn't do something there in our secondary at corner in case Clayburn doesn't come back. But also at the same time, maybe give us a chance to

do something special for our defense at free safety. The option the moment, the free safety, you're comfortable, you feel good about Carl scanneron being on his team next year, Well, I they're on the team, and when I when you say I feel good, they're they're certainly on our team and as it sits right now, we uh plan on them being a part of the team in the future. Stephen Jones, Jason Garrett walks you through what they feel like with Byron Jones, his strengths, where he was positioned

on the board. Anything surprised you dained As far as talking about him potentially playing He'll start off as a corner, possibly a playing safety, you know, Jason Garrett talked about that. Yeah, I think we both believe he was drafted to be a corner. But having that versatility to play safety if needed is just a bonus it gives you. And that's why versatility we talk about it. It's more than just a buzzword. It's it's something that these coaches really buy into.

If you have a chance to have a player that gives you value at another position. In case Avenger, who knows how the secondary will play out. But for Byron Jones, a player, I think we both think his futures at corner, but if something happens at safety, that could be the direction he goes. Yeah, and that's I totally agree with you on that. You know, the I just like the

size of the player. I like that. Yeah. The athletic ability is rare when you look at all the things that Byron Jones uh does uh, you know when you talk about working out and things like that, I think too. You know, Bill Jones even brought up the uh, the the thought of him eighteen times with the shoulder. Yeah, I think that's a very positive sign. Definitely that you would you would not if you're coming off a shoulder

and all that. Usually those defensive backs shy away from that that you know, they'll they'll do anything in their power to keep from having to do anything's bench press wise, and the fact that he stepped up and was able to show the scouts something I worried with Kevin Johnson, right, he chose not to do the bench press the combine,

chose not to do it at the prode. Yeah, and so now you have those questions, you know, but I think that when you look at the fit and you know, it was it was very clear though, uh, that the Cowboys once they saw the board. I was a little nervous myself at sixteen when and you rightfully so uh predicted Kevin Johnson would be a Houston Texan that, okay, would the Cowboys have to be aggressive here? And if you look at the picks, only Marcus Peters who the Cowboys?

We don't know. We'll eventually find out. I'll find out. You'll find out either had him on the board or off the board. And my guests would be that of their first round grades that that Wayne's Johnson and then Jones would be the guys that they that they were looking at at at the cornerback spot. And so you know, as soon as, like you said, when the corner started coming off the board and the teens at twenty that's

when you start really sweating it. And you know they resisted the urge to go up and get that player. They waited it out, and you know what, it's a risk, but it's a risk that paid off for this team getting their guy at twenty seven. Well, and and we will go through, uh, some of the picks that have been made. While the press conference was going on, we talked about Lake and Tomlinson. The went to the Detroit Lions. The guard from Duke, first Duke player picked in the

first round since nineteen forty two? How about that? Anyway, after that would be Philip Dorsett went to went to the Indianapolis Colts, the wide receiver from University of Miami. Green Bay Packers took and I thought it was an unusual pick here de Marius Randall, the safety from Arizona State. Starting to hear some things that Randall potentially couldn't back here for the Green Bay Packers. Your thoughts on that we talked about all along him being probably a nickel

corner to begin his career. You see that type of athleticism. Um, and I get it, and I certainly understand if that's what the Packers plan on doing. I think he can help out right away as a nickel. So I like the pick. And uh, it's something that I think were not really a shock. You thought maybe the Packers were gonna go secondary there. So Damarius Randall, it's a good pick for Green Bay. Yeah it is. And and that was the same that was a guy that I mocked to, uh,

the to the the Cowboys in the second round. So yeah, it was kind of that Nick Eatman joining us, Now, what's up, guys? Now? What is we got a secret call coming in or something? That secret call. But he's I think he's gonna call soon. I know, I'm he's supposed to. Okay, about five minutes. Okay, okay, Ken Garrison tell us that he will be in five minutes. Uh. Talk about we were visiting about Byron Jones. We have our thoughts about what we saw on tape at Connecticut,

Jason Eric Stephen Jones. Everybody had their opinion about him, some of the thoughts that you have about the particular pay. And again, I don't even dare to say that I study these guys anywhere close to what you guys are, but I'm just a little surprised when I hear about how much his versatility comes into play. I mean, I know he was playing corner, but they keep talking about how he could play safety. ACU just second, Nick, I think we're gonna go. This is the final pick of

the round. This will be the new Super Bowl Chickpions NFL Draft. The new England Patriots select Malcolm bra You gotta ride defensive tackle. Okay, Commissioner Malcolm Brown, the defensive tackle from the University of Texas or some people thought that maybe the Cowboys at twenty seven would have been consideration there. I see him as a one technique. That

kind of takes him out of the loop. As far as those guys when they say, you know, we I've learned my lesson, you know with Sharif Floyd and saying he could play at three, I think these guys probably see Malcolm Brown playing as a one technique. So Malcolm Brown is a New England Patriot. Uh. That means the first round has come to an end. The start time of the of the round seven h six pm Central Standard Time and ends at ten thirty pm, So first

round over within the books. But we talk about again getting back into the versatility with and you guys, I know you guys knew that he uh you know, has played safety there, but it just sounds like to them it's not just something that he's done. But but you know, if car and Clayborne come back and Standard's back, that if he's better than Wilcox, there's a chance he can get on the field right away and play play safety. He actually has more starts in college at safety than

a corner. So a player that you do see the versatility, and I think we all agree that you like him. We like him at corner to start off, Yes, but yeah, that versatility is just still clutch. And that's why it's such a high value player because you don't you know, you have that option depending on durability during injuries, something can happen at safety. You can do that if you want. This This is a team is starting to be built

on flexibility. This is a team it's starting to how many guys can play tackle or guard or center or guard whatever it matters. I mean, how many guys can do other things, and especially on defense. If you look example with Hitchens and what he was able to do last year and how he played all three linebacker spots. And now you're talking about guys, here's Byron Jones. You look at single high safety stuff. They could take Wilcox off the field, put Barry Church down in the box,

let him cover. But you say, if you if, even if, even if Byron Jones is not when you're corners on the field, you put him at the safety spot. You know you can get you could get a lot of guys covering on the field. And I just got a chance to talk to take Jason Garrett after the with the press conference, we were walking back. I guess they were going to the war room, and I asked him about how tricky it can be with the verse until

guys like that. Tyrone Crawford was one where it's like, yeah, you know he could play this, you could play that, and he ends up not even you know, excelling in one craft. I've seen that with Wilbur a little bit. So he said that can be dangerous, but it is good to get him on the field. Quicker. Look at Zack Martin last year, we all thought Zack Martin would play guard and then move out to tackle. They just said, no, Zack Martin is a guard. Yeah, he's just gonna play.

But the option is there, you know, that versatility, having that flexibility, that flexibility, that key word there and real quick. We just finished the first round. Some guys that are still available on the board, Randy Gregory player. We talked to the possibility TJ. Clemmings the tackle. We both like Ronald Darby a corner O Diggy zooa pass rusher. We like Royal Green, Beckham Landon Collins, Eric Kendricks, Eric row So a lot of good players still on the board

to start the second round tomorrow. I'll tell you what Jack went. Check Jack tooms Carolina. Carolina did And again that was where that that point of the draft where you know you looked at uh Carolina, Baltimore, teams like that, Pittsburgh. If bud Dupre doesn't slide down that board, I think that Dallas loses a shot to draft Byron Jones. To be honest with you here, I think they go ahead and they say we're gonna take a corner who potentially

could play safety and that kind of thing. And that's why the drafts so fascinating, because one pick has a ripple effect that changes everything down the line. So if one pick is different in the top twenty, then maybe bud Dupre goes earlier, Byron Jones goes twenty two to the Steelers, and then who knows what's at twenty seven for the Cowboys. So that the draft is so fascinating, even when you look at pass drafts how it could

have played out. Um and so, but the first rounds in the books Byron Jones and the Cowboy Yeah, I was obviously I was missing some of the picture. Carl Davis did he go No, No, he did not. He's still he's still on the board, on the board. Yeah there, there's get real high on him. Dane's absolutely second round

player to him. Yeah, it's solid. There's some guys like like say, I had myself the unfortunate one, and Dane and I were talking, they're into press conference, Collins the LSU kid, not able to a first round player on a lot of boards, then all of a sudden the unfortunate news probably exactly. So yeah to me, you know, when you talk the two guys that I had in my own first round and looking at my board, Clemmings and Collins were the only two first round guys that

did not get selected by anybody. The lowest ranking player I had was Lake and Tomlinson, the guard from and I think Dane, you and I agreed that he was a third round guy. So we're gonna get We're gonna get Barne Jones here in a little bit and have a chance to visit with him. Though, But the cowboys talk about if you would, you know, they sat there, they trusted what was going to happen. They didn't panic. He saw Jerry on some of the warm camp stuff.

Nick he was. He was working the notes pretty hard. He was trying to figure out where he needed to be and just in case they had to go. Todd Williams out of PACIFICA to his right, talking to them, trying to get the numbers right. Will McClay everybody saying, hey, maybe we need to go. But Stephen Jones seemed to be a very calming voice in that room. Maybe Hey, let's just sit down and let this thing happen and see what happened and how it plays out. And they

had said that that. You know, you heard Jerry just say corner was the one position that they probably wouldn't have been that comfortable with if they didn't get so I think this is as close to a need pick going into it as they've ever had. And so, you know, not to the point to move up, but at least to sit there and not try to move back. I think the question is if he's gone, who do they take?

Do they try to move I think Gregory would have probably been yeah, I think that I look and looking back at what I had mocked, and Gregory was one pick away from making it. He made it to them. But the fact that Jones was there, I do believe that was a no brainer for them. I don't think you thought Jones would be there. No, I didn't. No, I did. And we actually did a little mock draft before we came on the air, and it was a much a wiped out situation and it was Ray. You

know that was taken at that point in time. You know, we were trying to weigh who would be I mean, we're just having a little fun, like, Okay, who's gonna be there when Dal's picks, you know, and we talked about Ray. I think it's really important to point out, you know, and you guys cover the draft, your draft experts, the Mike Mayocks and and Mike Shay' that's what they do. And then they rate players generally, right, but but you'll find and a guy like Anthony Hitchins last year and

probably in this case. You know, these guys are rated for their own team, like Anthony Hitchins would fit this team, didn't matter what Mike Mayock thinks Hitchens would be. What what Byron Jones? And so uh Tomlinson from you know Thomson, you're generally he's second and third round. But but you know, the Lions are like we get Warford, we get Tomlinson.

You know, I have a plan for him. So it's it's great to look at this, but at the same time, teams look at it and a guy like Marion Elly says he will fit what we're doing, maybe more than generally, he would fit absolutely, And that's yeah, from the outsiders looking in, that's that's a tough thing because, yeah, you don't have a specific team or scheme fit that you're

projecting these guys to scouting them for. So for Byron Jones, though, I scouted him best and I put this in my in my profile on him under the summary, Uh, he's best as a press corner. I think that's what that's what he projects best in the NFL. I think that's what he will succeed at. And I think that's what he could be here for the for the Cowboys. Yeah, I just to me, I I was just so impressed with how physical he was and you know, and Jerry even talked about it. You know, how well he moves.

You know that Jason Garret believes as well, but how he was able to you know, stay in position, move. You don't see a lot of wasted motion with this guy. He's always in phase with the receiver. And that's something that you see a lot of these corners get beat, but not Byron Jones. And and what I love about Byron Jones, it doesn't matter if the receiver is you know, five to nine and runs a four to three or

six four and he's a little slower. He can cover any type of receiver, which not you can't say that about every single corner. Was he a senior broll guy? He was. He was invited, but the shoulder, his shoulder, he could not participate in it. And the senior captain, all those intangibles check those boxes absolutely. You know ad Jason's first words out of his mouth, right kind of guy? Yeah, right, it's absolutely right kind of guy. Okay, we're gonna do this.

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Rewards credit card. That's Bank of America. Life's better when we're connected. This is continuing coverage of the twenty fifteen and fl Draft on Jella's We are back on the Dallas Cowboys Draft show. Brian brought us, Nick Eatman and Dame Bruger from CBS Sports. We are joined on the line by the newest member of the Dallas Cowboys, Byron Jones. Byron, welcome to our program. Thank you so much. You gotta

be happy to be here. Well, you looked extremely excited there when that when that card was handed in hugs and all around. So tell us a little bit about your thoughts. So you had a chance to visit here in Dallas, so you have a little bit of understanding of what you're getting into though, But just talk about the the emotion of not just with the Cowboys, but really the whole night. It's been great, you know you

just spending the time with my family. Um, you know, you really can't put into words what that means to me and my parents. We've done a great job raising I'm hanging for four so I'm the final when to leave the house for the final want to lead a nest. So I'm just happy. I'm more happy for thumb than anything they've done. Just a great job. Anything to make them happy, man, that really makes my day. Well, Byron, welcome to Dallas. I know and I hear yet, but

welcome to the Dallas Cowboys. And I talk a little bit about you know, corners are supposed to have, you know, bad memories. You you're supposed to forget about the last play, and so yeah, well was this what you know? Was it? Obviously was probably you're getting antsy, you know and seeing other guys go. But but now that it's done, you have that bad memory and now you're you're focused on being a cowboy. Oh yeah, I'm so focused on being a kind of boy. I can't wait to just come

in and prove myself. Now I haven't done anything yet. I'm a doubt with cowboy, but I haven't really proved myself yet. So I really can't wait. It's going and gaining the respect from the team, the coaches, so they so they're reassorted that they made a good teas And Byron, you have experience at corner and you have experience at safety. Do you prefer one position over the other? Is there?

Do you have a favorite position out there? I might say I didn't do it the cornerback position, you know, with my size and my frame, I think I used it pretty well on the outside, but playing pretty safety my freshman sophomore year was great. I think it's a it's a close one. I put you know, it looks like I'll be going corning but wherever they want to put some movie. Happy to Go. Joined here by Byron Jones, the newest member of the Dallas Cowboys. Uh, the very

talented cornerback from the University of Connecticut. Byron. You know, Dane asked you a question about comfort and and you know you play corner You got the skills to do that. You've played some safety in your life, can you When you came to Dallas. Obviously you met with Joe Baker, like the safety's coach, and then with Jerome Henderson. Though did they meet with you together or did they both

take you into a room? And did they? And did they they kind of grill you on some things to try and get a little bit of a better feel of where you might fit. I think primarily I was in Bakers right. He was pretty much installing a defense, you know, and he wanted me to learn it in the scope of the safety. Um he knew in a cornerback position. I knew it pretty much that he wanted to see how much I knew at the safety position, and yeah, I think it's pretty impressive. Hey how much

I remember? Oh? Sorry, sorry, Byron. Uh you know you just talked about a coach Baker. He's always smiling, but I just saw him a few minutes ago and he's ecstatic right now. Okay, just to just to throw that out there, but but Jason Garrett also said in his press conference that he wanted to reiterate you are not considered a workout warrior. They didn't draft a guy that just had a world record jump at the Combine. They drafted a really good football player. Is that a guy

you said? Is that something that you're trying to prove as well, that this is more than just what you did at the Combine? Oh? Definitely, and definitely, and um, you know, obviously they saw more than just a broad jump. Honestly, a broad jump doesn't do anything for you in football. You know, they saw the film, they saw what they were getting. Me intelligent, as athletic, I'm more than top players.

So they were happy what they saw. So definitely, I'm in any case, I'm going to prove myself and I'm looking forward to doing that, and Byron, your coaching staff at Yukon just praised you about your leadership, your intangibles. Last summer you served an internship at the US Capital. Talk about what you bring to the Cowboys that maybe we won't see on the field, but we'll see in the locker room, or we won't see but in the

locker room on the practice field. I talk about what you might bring to this team away from just what we see on Sundays. All right, it's a good character, you know, telling us always happy, enjoying life. Um, very optimistic question. So my outlook on life is very Barrett. I think I'm riding some schnology faces looking forward to that. Sure, well, Byron, I can do a little a little surprise with you here. You know, we've we've got something and we want to

play for it. And you know, these are the things that we get, the fact that we're here with the Dallas Cowboys and Dallas Cowboys dot Com and we're really excited about getting to know you. But we're gonna play you a little bit of secret audio that we got the conversation you had with Coach Garrett. So yeah, take a listen at this. Byron Jones Hey, how you doing glays in Garrett? Hey, congratulations, thank you, thank you so

much for picking me. Man. A lot of a lot of excitement in this war room down here in Dallas. That's great, great, Well, you just made a hell of an impression out of him in so many different ways on the field, but maybe equally important the kind of guy you are. And we just can't wait to get you in here and get you to work. All right, I'm sorry, I'm looking forward to it. Good. I got Rod Marinelli right here, who wants to talk to you.

But congratulations, thank you. You're ready to go to work. Yes, I am, you know it. Fantastic. Okay, here's Rod. Congratulations, thank you, thank you. Coach Marinelli. He said, how are you doing? Oh? Wow Marinelli? Coach Marinelli? Right, how are we doing there? Your voice? I'm doing great. I'm so happy you guys. Man. Our place is just as static. We've been on pins and needles here a full last

five six picks. That's awesome. Good places up and running, and man, you're coming in and we couldn't we couldn't be happier to have a guy like so. Hey, congratulations, buddy, thank you. So March all right, Brian Sala, You're very happy about all the guys, you know, kind of greeting you, welcoming you to the Dallas Go always had to be a very special moment for you. Just kind of taking that all in right now. Oh yeah, overwhel