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be joined by the Great Bucky Brooks. How's it going back on the show. Yeah, we've got Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's our trio today, the first show of a couple that we're gonna have here at the Combine on Radio Row this week. We'll have Dame Bruegler in the action later this week as well. But Bucky, welcome back. It's been probably a year, right, Yeah, it's been it's been I think it's been a year even the year since Uh I've had a chance to come home with

you guys. But what's been going on? That's what I say, old thing. I mean, you know, at this time of year is this lying season. Everyone's lying about who they like they don't like. Uh, we're kind of filling in things and we're having soap operas with mock drafts and stuff like that, so we can't create a conversation. So you know what it is? So lying season? Has anybody

lied to you yet? There's no way? Right, Oh, everybody's lying there, Like once you get anyway, he's lying about who they really liked to throwing out names out there so you can run with them and put them out there and all kinds of stuff. And so if it's not the teams, then it's the agents. There's not the agents, it's the players themselves, and so you know what it is like, that's that's that's the part of the year. Yes, yeah, welcome the lying season to me. Yeah, you gotta take

everything with the grain is salt. You gotta take everything with you gotta be confident in your own mindset. You gotta be confident with all of that. And you have been as we've seen on the draft shows already. We've already seen that a couple different times. But we're excited to be here. This is my fourth combine, this is your Oh you know, going all the way back, your first was the playing career, right, so so since two thousand would now so it's like twenty two, twenty three

plus one. Yeah, so like twenty three twenty four. They were working on a long time, and this is my first one. This is my Yeah, we're getting started. Yeah, you see the workhouse tomorrow, ye kind of get it going. That'll be your first taste of what it is. And look, it's it's a great event. Is For the longest time, it was always like the football Convention. It's the only time that everyone has a chance to see everybody, until coaches decided that they didn't want to bring their coaching staffs.

But it was a great opportunity to not only talk about like these players or whatever, but it was a chance to talk about trends in the league, how you build your team, what do you like, schematics, all this other stuff. We're robbed of some of that because people are staying at home. But it's still a really, really great affair because you get a chance to see so many guys that you don't see doing. Of course in

the regular season. Somebody yesterday really point put it out in the open for me that that kind of put it into perspective. But this is the only time that the NFL comes together, like you said, in one spot, and nobody's trying to win, nobody, nobody's trying to beat the other at something at either even the Pro Bowl. Maybe the Pro Bowl is probably the closest thing to this. But but you don't get you don't get all the teams. You don't get you don't get the executives, scouts and

the coaches together in one city. And I do like That's why I'm a little disappointed that so many teams decided to leave their coaches behind, because it was that one time that you can see everybody and connect and all those other things, and you don't get a chance to do it because once we leave from here, you don't see those guys anymore. Maybe you see a handful of guys at a Pro day, you see him doing

a game, you know, but you won't see everybody. And so hopefully, man, we get everybody, shoot everybody back, get everybody back. Cowboys did bring their coaching staff, they did bring their executive department. So the front office is here, the scouts are here, the coaches are here. We will talk to coach McCarthy today, So we won't have that information on this episode, but we'll talk about it on the second episode that we have coming out in from

Radio row from Indianapolis. Now, it is your first combine, it is, so what what's your thoughts so far? How? How what have you taken out of the first couple days of being here, first couple of days of being here. I think I describe it yesterday as like a high

school reunions. Everybody, everybody coming and you meeting everyone. It's it's it's interesting to see everyone in their own niche Like our photographers have their own group of people they meet up with and they're they're talking mess about, you know, what they're doing. And then I meet some of your reporter friends. And then it's just an interesting dynamics that I've gained so much respect for everyone and every piece

that goes into what we do by being here. I think I've already done that, but just kind of hearing the intricacies of like I have to be here at this time, I got to set up at this time. A yeah, and we're just you know, to me, I'm like, I'm just taking notes, getting ready. Sure, but they don't want to do what you do in vice versa, And I think that's so awesome, like that everyone has their individuals thing here and we can kind of see it

come together here me personally going to see it. Yeah, I think the best part of this is what happens late at night, like when you really have the casual conversations. Yeah, like that's that's the part of it. Like people will talk about it being your little spring breakers because everyone's at the bar or whatever, but really in the cut sometimes you have some great conversations about team building, who

you like, evaluations, what do you look for? What have you learned from this mistake or that mistake when it came to scouting and evaluating. So to me, I feel like I come away from the combine not necessarily learning about this class, but continue to learn about how to evaluate, how to put together a team, what it looks like, what it's going to look like in the future, as you continue to be the best version of yourself when it comes to doing what we do on this side.

Now you've done a little bit of everything because you played, You've been on the coaching side of things, the scouting side of things. You've also been on the media side of things, doing a ton of great work with the NFL Network. What is your favorite to do? I mean, other than playing? I mean that's probably the easy answer. You know, like it. It's funny because there's so many different things to football that you enjoy. There's the Exino nerd in me that loves like watching tactics and schemes

and the latest trends and who's doing what. And man, look at how the Eagles were able to help Jalen Hurts go from being a second round pick to now he may be a top five quarterback based on how they utilized him, how you continue to improve, but how they tweaked the game and you know those things. And then you look at a guy like Pat Mahomes and how can you remove an All Pro player from Pat Mahomes? And yet this team goes and wins the Super Bowl? What did I miss on him watching him at Texas Tech?

That I didn't know he had that singular power to do those things. The evaluation part is always cool, like looking studying projecting, seeing what those projections turn into two, three, four years down the line. All that stuff is far I just think like just being associated with the game itself is the fun part in any capacity, And when you're like multidimensional, like we all are, like different things

fascinate you at different times in the year. And so right now I'm just fascinated about, Hey, how do you put together the team, the best team that you can put for it to get ready to see if you can compete for a team of a championship in twenty twenty three, go for it. Oh, I was gonna say, I'm actually fascinated listening to the players, like getting to put what I think about them or what I've studied about them. Just actually hearing how they speak, how they project,

who's had influence on them and stuff like that. That to me is so valuable really starting to understand these guys a little bit more because the character is important, right, character part about the players is important. So we're starting to i don't know, just hearing them and even getting the opportunity to interview them, ask them questions and be here. It means something to meet Also some of these players

that I'm interested in them. Well, I mean, I think that part is is huge because it's one thing to blindly lick a tape without knowing the person. Yeah, you know, and so you're looking at the tape and you see one thing, but then when you hear them talk or you find out more about their background, their character, some issues that it may or may not have had, then you get a better feel for Okay, well, how do we now put the pieces of the puzzle together, and

what's different for us? What's different for me? Like it NFL Network, Like you're trying to think about all thirty two teams. You guys are tied directly with the team the Dallas Cowboys. No, no, Now you have a better understanding of the culture in the locker room. Yes, you have an understanding of Okay, well, how would this guy fit in that locker room? Which is harder when you're having the broad perspective of what what's Dallas really like

compared to what's Philly like? Was Washington and all those other teams, and so it's just a very different deal. And also the way you great players is differently working for a team as opposed to doing the broad scope, because when you work for a team, you have certain parameters and standards that you're looking for based on what the team wants and a player. When you're working at

a higher level or at a national level. Now you just kind of grating the player for what he is, and sometimes that differs from he if he goes to this team, he'll play this way. If he goes to that team, he'll play a different one. And he's gonna fit in this scheme? Is he not gonna fit in this scheme? How's he going to perform? We were literally just talking about that just three four four three defense and how some guys may not look like they can

play there. I mean, dan Quinn showed this. He showed like there's so many guys on the Cowboys defense in particular that before being in this scheme, we didn't know what they were and we didn't know how they were going to project to what their ceiling was. But that just talks to they speaks to how schemes, specific things

can make a difference in this league. Yeah. Look, the one thing that we can never project is how coaching and schematics, like a great coach, a creative mind, a brilliant teacher can bring out stuff in players that we just don't know. You just can't you can't predict the kind of scheme that they play in and how they

utilize the role that they play. Those things matter, and so the hard part is trying to see what a player did in college and trying to stretch it out and project what it will look like at the next level without knowing how the team has taken them and

visions him play. Yeah, and the whole overarching thought of the player, like you talked about with these interviews, it all kind of becomes clear this week because not only are we getting the chance to talk to the players, and we're having these media sessions and they're hitting the podium and we're learning about some of the things that they've talked about, some of the things that they feel like are important to them. These teams are doing the

same exact thing. They're putting them on the whiteboard. We heard d Over shown earlier talking about the Texas linebacker talking about how teams have put him on the board and allowed him to take a dry race marker and show exactly what he's seen on film and how he can pick certain things up. These teams are not only having those interviews behind closed doors, but they're also having

the medical checks. That's a huge part of this whole process is having that one two punch of the interviews and the medical checks to kind of go back and forth. Have you seen enough from this class to to really feel like it compares to something that there's some other class that you've seen in the past based off of

all of those overarching elements. You know, it's it's hard to compare classes, but what you can assesses the draft is I would say not as top heavy as it bitted the pass, but you got a lot of mid level talent meeting. It is really deep in terms of second or third route players. You get starters in those routes, first routers. I mean, what we all are going to

have to cut a tiper xpects in this class. I think they're probably like fifteen to eighteen true first round talents, Okay, and so when you have eighteen first round talents, that means someone's going to take a play in the first round who's not necessarily your traditional blue chip player, but when you take them in the first round, fans have

expectations that they're gonna play a certain way. The team will even find themselves having certain expectations that they're going to play at a higher level because they were taken in the first round, when that might not be what's really in them, and so we have to kind of understand that, and maybe we don't get upset when our favorite team takes a cornerback and you're like, well, why do we take a cornerback when we need an offensive tackle or we need a pass rusher in those things,

and so we just kind of have to understand the strength lies and tied d classes solid and cornerback classes solid. There's a really group of running backs in the mid levels that can always play, and you know, and then you got some some wildcards like the quarterback class. Who knows what this quarterback class is? And good thing cowboys are not thankful quarterback because who knows what this class is? That here you ask, I know, but I agree with

you by that way. But but it's it's it's it's a it's a weird it's a weird deal when it comes to that, like not as many offensive tackles that you would like because it's not as deep in that class, and so it's going to change how you evaluate it. Um. What teams to do is the draft the parts that are like plentiful. What you do is your circle back to that you're going get something from a shallow pool early and come back late and maybe take a chance

on a position that has a deeper pool. You mentioned quarterback. Um, do you do either one of you feel like there is a thing. I feel like there's a need for quarterback. I mean, you look at the NFC specifically, like there's so many teams that really need to be building towards

having a quarterback. And we talked about this class when you talk about how many first round draft picks that you really feel like there are, could you do think we could see people necessarily reach, but definitely they don't reach. They reached people reach for I mean, I really feel like in this first round, So to your point, how we might see some guys like we don't think that

our first round draft picks. I feel like some of the gentlemen that maybe we think our second round draft picks may be picked up earlier in the in the in the rounds because there's not that many of them in certain places like you were talking about, No, it's funny and there's a level of desperation. So the one thing that we know when it comes to the quarterbacks, the golden era quarterback play Nail Hisskey Younger and it's

really heavy in the AFC. Yes, to win a Super Bowl in the AFC, you better have a dude at quarterback. Because to win in the AFC you have to deal with Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert Lamar Jackson will put an asterick buy because we don't know if you'll continue to be in Baltimore. Sure you have Trevor Lawrence who is coming He's coming around, you know. And so like we're already talking about six or seven quarter right there the NFC. Aaron Rodgers is coming down,

but it's really wide open. Like now you have to talk about Jalen Hurst, which is crazy, but a year ago no one believed this. But Jalen Hurst now has to be in consideration as a top five quarter So now you talk about what ain't Jalen Hurst is now the standard bearer in the NFC, and Aaron Rodgers is

coming back to the pack. You have Kirk Cousins and Jerry Golf and those guys, but how good are those And so you now have a situation where everyone in the NFC has to look at their quarterback and say, is he good enough to not only give me to the Super Bowl. But if we have to square off against one of those teams in the AFC that has one of those guys, Kenny win a one game scenario, all right, Bucky? Based off of that, do you think

Dak falls into that category? I think so. I think I think the one thing that we can't do, and it's unfortunate for players when a player has an injury, we never give them or cut them slack. Okay, whatever happened with Dak Stumb, it certainly had to have an impact on the way that he threw the ball because he normally doesn't throw turnover. He doesn't have turnovers like that,

and sometimes it can snowball and those things. The other thing that I think maybe you'll have to assess when you're Mike McCarthy and you're thinking about this offense as he takes over, do I have enough weaperry on the outside,

and so you remove Amari Cooper for whatever reason. So now you go from having what I thought was one A and one B and Cede Lamb and Amari Cooper to then you have Cde Lamb and in a significant drop off before you have the next wide receiver and what you're seeing in this league, it's moving away from like the running back being the feature player, but more you better have two wide receivers that can get it done.

Because in the games, when you get down the stretch, someone has to come over and someone has to have the ability to have one of those big games. And right now the Cowboys need more around Dack than just that. And I know that Dad got forty million dollars, but he's still needs pass catches to be able to kind of do what he does. And to add on to that, it's it's also too do you have do you have playmakers? But if you don't have the playmakers, are you doing

enough with the guys that you have? Are you getting the most out of them? Are you utilizing them in ways that are conducive to how well they play or or what even is working well? In the league right now we see a lot of yak guys with yak ability really making a difference at the wide receiver position. So also too, I just wanted to add on to, like, are you getting the most out of even what you

have presently there? You know, I mean, I think I think that's a big thing, and I think that's probably one of the reasons why Mike McCarthy is now kind of taking the rains over as the play caller. Now, I would say, based on his experience in Green Bay, some of the yak ability that you talk about, it may change the profile of the wide receiver that you look for in Green Bay when he was there the way that it has always been passed down from Ron

Wolf down. You wide receivers need to have punt return ability, and the reason why they wanted guys who have punt return experiences because those guys have natural running skills, they're tough, they are able to break tackles in space. You can get them the ball on catching round concepts, and they can turn short games into big plays. Ceedee Lamb has punt return a building. Do the rest of the guys in the wide receiver corps have punt return to building?

And if they don't, you need to add some guys who have that. So now Dak's efficiency can go up because rather than asking him to throw the ball farther down, the field is shorter, but you're getting more bang for you.

But because those guys can break tackles and make things happen. Yeah, so you're what you're saying, is Bucky that might have a chance in this The only the only thing about that he's so good as an internity sometimes because some offensive coaches will use the return game as another offensive play, and when you're an All Pro player like he is, Yeah, he's a difference, Baker. That's it. They certainly can put a package in where he comes in the game and

he gets the ball on screens in those things. He has to be a part of it, though. He's too dangerous with the ball in his hands to let him just stand on the sideline the entire game. Yeah, I completely agree, and he's even talked about that as well. I mean, he said, I want to play on offense. He said that a couple weeks ago in an interview that he loves the return specialist gig, but for the most part, he wants to make an impact on offense.

And he could probably find a way to make an impact on offense, especially if they can use some of the stuff Bucky's talking about here. But let's take our first break. When we come back, we're gonna have some Twitter on the twenty. We're gonna answer your fan questions coming back. Who are some of the players that we haven't talked about yet that we should be talking about. We're also gonna get Bucky's thoughts on the Cowboys draft

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Super Bowl champion. When I played in the NFL at a high level, I relied on my vision to see the field. As I started getting older, I knowed back here from a radio row in Indianapolis for the twenty twenty two NFL Scouting Combine. It's the draft show, presented by Miller White alongside Ayesha Morrison up kyle' Almo's joined by NFL Networks very own analysts Bucky Brooks, and we've spent some time talking about the generics around the combine and what we can kind of expect throughout the week.

I want to talk about this class a little bit. We're gonna do so with a little bit of Twitter. On the twenty are fans, of course sending questions through Twitter, and we'll start with this one. Who are we not talking about that we should be talking about? I was getting frustrated from wearing my glasses all day. I went

to laser part of this show. In the past, we go through names like crazy, but is there anything that I think we should be talking about, and it can be Cowboys related or could just be overall in the draft. I would say a couple of names Twitter from Tennessee. Tennessee quarterbacks. I don't think people are talking about them enough.

I think there's a fascination over Will Levis and Anthony Richardson that Entucky Will Levis Florida Anthony y quarterback from Florida, respectively, where we're talking about their tools and all that other stuff. But the game is about how you play it, and I don't know if they're many that play the game better than him to hook her at quarterback. People who talk about the age he's twenty six years old, but at quarterback that doesn't necessarily matter because quarterbacks can't play

until their forty. We've seen it, and what you're trying to do is you're trying to get someone on the field who has experienced. He's an experienced player, so he's one. Andre Carter, the edge rusher, edge defender from Army, is another one that I believe deserves a little more love, just in terms of six ten wingspan. Two seasons ago, he had fifteen and a half sacks at West point, and if you've seen Army play, they're not loaded with

blue chip guys. So the fact that they have him a super freak athlete who's also a very productive player. He's someone who also deserves a lot of attention. That's interesting. You bring up the quarterbacks because I mean, we made the joke earlier that quarterback is not a conversation depending on who you talk to, it's not a conversation in the first round, but it's definitely a conversation. Cooper Rushers an unrestricted free agent. Yes, he's been your back up

for quite some time. Now you turn around and you can talk about the back half of this contract with Dak Prescott. Now, he's got two years left on this deal heading into this year, and that's if they don't extend him, if they don't restructure him. So quarterback is on the table. In terms of mid round draft picks, that's where you're going to find a hindon hooker. Anthony Richardson's not going to be there in the mid rounds. Will Levis is not going to be there in the

mid rounds. A hindon hooker a Jake Hayner from Fresno State. There are a couple guys there that are going to be there in the middle rounds, and that's where the Cowboys could potentially target it, and the Cowboys should target because you can never go wrong. And being in the quarterback business, sure, we've seen a lot of people laughed and sticker when the Philadelphia Eagles said that they wanted

to have a quarterback factory. When Carson wentzaid, just so that made your contract and they drafted Jaalen Hursts in the second round, and lord behold, Jalen Hurst is the one that leads him back to a super Bowl. And so you can never go wrong. If it's the most important position in football, you want to make sure you invest in that position. And so allocating resources is every other year to make sure that you have a slew of young quarterbacks that are development, that are developing, and

something that makes sense. And also for McCarthy, that is something that he knows. He's talked about the quarterback school and all the things that they used to do yesteryear. I could see him wanting to get back to that to make sure that you always have someone in the opera. I also don't think I want to say there's nothing wrong with quarterbacks coming in and developing and sitting behind.

I think we've gotten so used to these guys coming out and being immediate playmakers, immediately making a difference that it puts some pressure on these young guys to come in and be the playmakers right away. No, there's absolutely nothing wrong with these gentlemen coming in playing behind someone and really starting to develop the game and learn it, you know, as they're in the NFL. Well, I mean

that's that's the thing. And what has happened is we've become increasingly less patient microwave with young players, and particularly quarterbacks. We want young quarterbacks to come off to college field and immediately have an act on the game. And it's really really hard. The one thing that it won't change the narrative, but everyone will be on the search for You will hear this a ton. Everyone's looking for the

next Brock Party. Everyone's looking for the next guy that is taken on day three that has the ability to start. I would say that it was initially Dak was that guy. For a couple of years, Jack was that guy, and so others are going to look for the cost efficient, cheap quarterback that is good enough to play and have success. The common in nominator between Dak Prescott and Brock Party played a long time in college. Yeah, a lot of snaps,

a lot of experience. That experience allowed them to develop a level of expertise that when they had their opportunity to play right away as rookies, they took advantage of it. Do you have anybody that fits that mold in this draft class? Based off of what you've seen where you talked about two guys, you talk about hyn from Fresno Stuck about that conversation. He certainly is in that conversation. He's the one that everyone's talked that that talks about

you talking about Hooker was a six year player. Has it has to be someone who has played a ton because you're seeing the experience. Broder Purtty was like a four year starter to four year starter at Iowa State. All those snaps, all those reps matter. Kenny Pickett first round pick last year, he had a significant amount of experience before he comes to the National Football League, and

so that's what you're looking for. You're looking for someone who's played a lot because that play, that ability to see things, process things, work through things helps him when they get to the pros. I'm looking down the list at the moment and I'm seeing Clayton Tune Houston. You talk about a blinking light for somebody that would fit the Cowboys mold. It would fit the value of a Day three guy and has that experience and the leadership ability.

He's done so in multiple programs throughout but he's coming out of Houston. Yeah, he certainly has, and he's done it a ton. He does have that experience, and everyone has got to circle those guys because what happens in our league, it's a copykt league. So when team team see, like you remember last year, the buzz at this time was, oh, I gotta find a Ebo Savor. I gotta find a versaal player that can do a bunch of different things

on the defensive, all these things or whatever. So now it's the Brock Purdy conversation is going to be that, and it's not only Brock Purdy, but then it's also gonna be the Jalen Hurts, who's the underrated, undervalued quarterback that has the intangibles to work in his game and get better and become a guy that emerges from Day two Day three status to being a legitimate starter that can lead a team. Yeah, and you mentioned Hendon Hooker.

One thing that I like about him and I think is going to suit him in this league is his ability to improvise. I think a lot of teams are starting to look for quarterbacks that have the ability to improvise. Number one, because offensive line plays the story for another day.

It is it's absolutely hard. Those guys don't get as much time, absolutely understand, but that is something that a quality that I think is really important for most of the guys that are playing the quarterback position moving forward. How do you improvise? How do you play on the run, how do you pass on the run. How's your accuracy on the run Because a lot of these guys are running for their lives sometimes, so it's important. There are

two things about that point. So coaches will tell you that you want a quarterback who is athletic, and so you got to make sure that it's not necessarily the athlete that is playing quarterback, but you want a quarterback that's polish a quarterback play, but as the athleticism to move around. When we talked about those other guys in the AFC, when we talked about Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert and John. Those guys are quarterbacks who also have

the athleticism to move around and by a time. Because as good as you are as a play call, and you can't call a perfect play every time, sometimes you want the quarterback to be able to bail you out and erase it. Secondly, I just had a conversation with John Fox, longtime NFL head coach. He was now going to consult with the Detroit Lions, and he said, the biggest mismatch on the field old line versus D line. You deal them with guys who are running five four

forties versus guys that are four six forties. And as much as we want to think that those guys can hold up, it's difficult because you're dealing with superheroes. On the other end, we've seen in Dallas Michael Parsons doing this thing against everybody. You can't as much as you draw up to protection, you cannot block a guy like that. So your quarterback has to be able to escape and maneuver and maybe buy some time to help the mismatches

that are going on up front. So with that being said, when we've talked about the interviews in Indianapolis and with these teams. Is is it more one way or the other volatile for the quarterback position to impress in these interviews than it is for any other position to impress or is it kind of even across the board the position a position. No, it's always quarterback because the quarterback

has tasked with so much. So what you're trying to figure out what the quarterback is he mature enough to handle the thing that there used to be saying that your quarterback is expected to be presidential? The way that he carries himself, there's there's a regalness to the way that he goes about his business, the way that he is on point, how smart he is because outside of the owner and the head coach, he's biggest representative of

the franchise. Every day, every time that he steps in front of the mic, there's something that he projects that represents the franchise. The other thing, we want him to be the leader of the team, whether he is or not, he has to be able to really like take all these different personalities in the locker room and get them going in the right direction. So when you think about Dak Prescott, there are a lot of things that you

can say about Dak Prescott. The one thing that you can't question his leadership ability and his ability to galvanize the team. And so there's a certain skill that you have to have and you have to display to be able to do that. So in these interviews, you have to have the sense, can I see this guy standing in front of the room commanding a group of men

that may be significantly older than him. So it's really important veterans, some of those veterans, those guys that have been there for a while, And to your point, this year was my first time really being in the locker room. And it sounds so cliche when we say it about Dak Prescott and about the quarterback position, like they gotta

be good leaders. But to witness it, to witness him being able to go to one guy and deal with it, you know, and talk to him and then go to the whole other side of the locker room, it's important. It's really important moving forward, especially when you start talking about these young quarterbacks trying to integrate themselves into these locker rooms. Lastly, because you got to see it up closer personal, Dak had maybe his worst year than we've seen. Yeah,

but did his personality change now? Was he surly had ordery with the press? Did he did he blame others? He didn't do that, And so what you feel good about is, Okay, he has a level of toughness that equips him to be ready for this position. And so that toughness is an underrated trait that you're looking for a quarterbacks. I completely agree, and I think that's something that Cowboys fans sometimes lose track of. Sometimes media tracks

loses track of it as well. But like you just said, worst career year on the field outside of injuries, but then he comes back. He won Walter Payton Man of the Year for a reason. I mean, he's still the same Dak Prescott. So the fact that he was able to study the ship from his own interior struggles, yes, is something that should be commended. And I completely agree. Not everybody is built like that, and he is one

guy that certainly is built like that. Moving forward, all right, the panel's prediction prior to the workouts at the combine the Cowboys first round pick, first round pick. Early prediction. Oh yeah, because this is early because free agency hasn't happened. You haven't necessarily seen pro days. You don't know who the thirty visit guys are. You don't know who a Dallas Day guy is. Who is your first round prediction prior to the combine. It's great questions. JD was the

one that answered or asked it, by the way. Okay, okay, So let's go go position by position. Let's go cornerback, corner first round pick, right, yeah, first twenty sixth overall. So we need someone opposite Treyvon Dicks because last year when Anthony Brown got hurt. You're not alone with this, but it was bad on that other side. Okay, And so now stylistically, how does dan Quinn want to play.

Do they want to be more man to man or do they want to be more zone ish, Because then that changes the equation because camp Smith could be there from South Carolina. He's more zone, more eyes, more of that part. But then you can have some of these other guys. Delante Banks from Maryland, who's kind of like your tall super athlete in magurate with the ball skills. You know he's gonna be there. Kylie Ringo Potensi could be there, super athlete, great straight line speed and explosiveness.

Ball skills are lacking. But with Trayvon on one side who has exceptional ball skills, is that's something that you're looking in. I mean, of course it helps if you can have an all encompassy corner. Well, that corner that's opposite Traymond is gonna get a lot of work. So there a lot of we saw how the balls kind of now wherever the every volving corner was over there, he got a lot of action, and he will continue to get that action. So they have to have the

temperament and the length and those things. And you know, I don't know, like I know, everyone projects this got to go higher. But he may end up being there because there's some people that worry about some of the stuff. Joey Porter Junior, Penn State, Penn State Super Long. I think I was doing backflip if Joey Porter Junior was there. The only reason why I tell you that he may end up being in the mid twenties is because when people look at the tape, they see him press knows

the knows, but you rarely see him backpedal. You don't see him use other tools in the toolbox. And he's always a bump and run guys, so he might be there. And if you're fascinated by two things, if you're fascinated by the lynth like dan Quinn appears to be, and if you believe that you have a great teacher like our Harrison Joe Witt junior, you may take a guy like that because you feel like you can develop him and get him to play the way did you want

to play on their perimeter? And that's what I was gonna say, is like looking at this cornerback class, there's only a few guys to me that stand out that half the ball skills that I guess you would be looking for great you know, good coverage, always in position, but are they playing on the ball like that? We were talking about this yesterday, um because I was asking Kyle like, do you get a more conservative corner on

that other side? And what I mean by that it's just not as much of a risk tape girl or whatever as Traymon. But then you look at my Manuel Forbes and you know, and Mississippi State, and you say, he is a lot like Trayvon. So do you want do you want that same? I think dan Quinn could just plug him in. But I think he would only the only thing I was I was hiring him coming into the event. Now it might be lying season, But then I have people tell me that he only weighed

in like he was one sixty two. Really not not here, but he was one sixty two during the season, one sixty five during the season, and we'll get him here. Of course, that made my stomach. That made my stomach because I was like the biggest fan. I was saying, Hey, it's my guy. I dropped a bed to my Jeff

just because I wanted to name it. Have it. Because the ball skills that you talked about, I don't know if there's a better guy that plays with his eyes than him, Like Divine Withers wonted to be long gone from Illinois, but Emmanuel Forbes his ability to play because I wrote that in my notes. Not only can he play press, but he plays cover zero. Where he's on the island, he's making plays. I want to see at four pick sixes through his career, like this dude is fantastic.

But they said Buck, the size and the tackling could be issues. So his size thing is significant, like how much he weighs in at we need him to come in a little thicker because there were This one is one eight one eighties a lot of different than one sixty five, no doubt. And the Cowboys are known for wanting to have some some white some size. Hurt. My feelings hurt too. It hurt me my first round pick that I could see there there being being there because

of the quarterback stuff and all that stuff. Um a Vila from Steve a Vila from tu I think that the Cowboys could definitely benefit from his play, um the flexibility, especially at guard. Right now we're looking at I don't really know if you don't know if my McGovern's gonna come back this year. It feels like because Connor McGovern's an undrafted free agent. Tyrn Smith of Courses Stephen Jones

backed up Tyrn Smith. He says he expects him to be back this upcoming year, but that's still a big question. Who's always been hurt though my eighteen games in the last three years, so you keep you keep counting on a guy who's always hurt. At some point you have to have like the replacement ready and Kyl Smith is a really good job try when he had an opportunity, But what does that look like. Because the other thing we talk about Dak Prescott, because we have to spend

it forward. You want to get return to the investment, you gotta protect him up front. And when the Cowboys have been at their best, they've been able to run the ball when they want to run it. They've also been able to throw off play action. You gotta have the fortunes up front to be able to do that. And to your point and TI, your pressure is something that especially come up with thumb or stuff like that is something that that Dak Prescott is that's not one

of his favorite things. I want to say is that the interior pressure, especially with the escapability. But with the first round pick, Cowboys typically hit on the first round picks with offensive line, especially offensive line. They have in their mind that if we if it's the first round, or this guy's probably gonna work. And that's why I believe that possibly Steve Villa could be a guy that

they take. Well, it makes sense the way that you're thinking, because the first team that you have to do is you gotta win the division. Well, we're coming off a year which the Philadelphia Eagles has seventy secks no one could block them up front, and you saw firsthand what it looks like when you're unable to protect the quarterback against that team. So the only way you can do it you have to be able to beat them in

the print, in the churches. And so maybe investing in an offensive guard an offensive lineman up there gives you the ability to go total toe with the team that now where's the crown in the NFC, and that will be the Eagles. There's another there's another piece of content that's That's the thing though, is offensive line. I think it's a bigger need than people really realize. And I think overall your first second or third round pick, I would really I'm not going out on a lamb here.

There's going to be an offensive lineman in the first three rounds for the Cowboys because they need to, like you said, beat some of those teams that are just beefy upfront that they have that pass rushing ability. Washington's in there too, They've got a great front line. To look at the team, So let's look at the team that where they bowed out the San Francisco forty nine. Yeah, what they have upfront, I mean you talk about physicality

to being able to win into trenches. I think now on the morning, I'll talk to you guys like that might be that might be the move. The move might be to double up on the offensive line, because you also said they've had a lot of success. Whoever is in charge of finding their offensive lineman, they've done a really good job of doing it. So maybe you lean more into that because one thing that you cannot do

in the first round. You can't have an egregious miss now and the Cowboys are proven that they are able to find lineman in the first round, So maybe you go back and do it. So this is a general and felt question already asked. If you're Chicago, of course, there have been some rumors that they could trade out of the first overall pick. Would you do it before the draft or would you do it the night of the draft or right up next to it in order to kind of have the most leverage all the way through.

So there are a few different ways if you're Chicago, where you want to leverage this. So a lot of it would be determined. You have to wait until after the combine because you have to see if anyone's gonna fall in love with the quarterback. Because that would drive the interest in the number one pick. If you get teams that are interested in the number one overall pick. Now you have to figure out, Okay, what do we

want to do. Do we want to let the Colts move up from four to one, we take their fourth and then continue to trade down so we accumulate all of these picks to rebuild the team. Because for the Bears, one players not going to break them right back. They have to they have to have multiple blue chip players. Defends the gap on the competition. And so look, you do it with the deal is right. Normally the closer that you get to the draft deadlines kind of bring

about movement. Um I always speak, if they're gonna move the pig, they have to move it fairly earlier. Yeah, just this maybe is a sidebar. But with what's going on with the Bears with um with Justin Fields, he's already what two three years in years, and they are really in a like you said, like, one guy's not gonna do it, two guys might under three, you're gonna have to. They're gonna have to attack free agency heavily and draft. Well, with that being said, how do you

handle him? Do you like do you keep him there while you're rebuilding because you don't want to, especially with how he plays the game, especially with how mobile he is and his athleticism. Do you want to waste what his his good year, his young years with rebuilding like that. Yeah, I'm out of curiosity. Look, I think I think he plays how he plays, and yeah, how he plays the way he plays quarter back, you got to do that. I think with Jalen Hurts going to the super Bowl,

I think it makes Justin Fields style of play. It kind of makes it irrelevant because you see the team go to the super Bowl with a player playing like that, so he can continue to do that. The thing about Justin Fields, you have to take Justin Fields versus this class. So if Justin Fields was in this class, how would he stack up compared to C. J. Stroile, Bryce Young, Will Levis and those other guys. And unless you feel those other guys are better or significantly better, you say

the course with him. Yes, at some point you want to. You would love to reset to Rockie Clark, but you don't give away a good player to then go kind of wandering in the wild trying to find another quarterback that may be as good as him tracking that I was more so just worry about I mean, granted, like you said, like Jalen still was if I'm understanding, was he still played injured? Correct? So and justin deal with deal with quite a few injuries this season as well.

And I think that the mobile quarterback is kind of what people are improvising, you know, and that's fantastic. I just with how much, like you said, especially on the offensive side of the ball, they need offensive line. Then you receiver's day. How you can't change that quickly? So do you just go through the change with him or I think you have to go through the change with him because what you're hoping is that he can he can continue to improve and get better. The league is

where it's hard for a quarterback to stay healthy. You saw seventy different quarterbacks play. And so whether you play in the pocket, outside of the pocket, whether you're a runner or just a thrower, if you get hit, you don't get hurt at quarterback Like that's that's that's that's just kind of the reality of the situation. And so what you would like to do is you like to hedge against your bet. So you want to make sure that you have a backup in place that can play,

and then you want to continue to surround him. To think about the Bears, they're so far away in a few different areas. Defensively, they traded away to the top players Robert Quinn and then Roquan Smith in the middle of the year, so they have to really upgrade and they can have to upgrade it. I mean, they haven't know a lot of cap space, but the spinning the cap space a free agency drafting and hitting all the players is unlikely. But I think your best course of

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You're on the NFL network quite often. Where are some of the next spots what's on the horizon for you throughout draft season, throughout the cub and you get a chance to see me on NFL dot Com. We'll do a digital show call Combat Today Wow. We'll preview all the action that's about to take place over the next

four days. And then after that NFL dot Com. We got pats that the draft coming up in April, so we have like a rough long run of shows talking about the draft and all the prospects and that stuff. And then you can always read all the articles on NFL dot com as well, and he does some work with Dallas Cowboys dot com as well throughout the season, throughout the draft process. We love ourselves some Bucky Brooks, so be sure to follow him on everything that he's doing.

He's on Twitter as well. All right, last couple of seconds of the show or last couple of minutes, not seconds. I'm not gonna make it stressful like that. But when we get into the nitty gritty of this draft class, both of you have watched a boatload of film, ton of film around these draft prospects. Who's been your favorite film watch so far? I'll start with Bucky, because Aisha, we've at least heard some of your pet cats, some of your favorites, your piss yea, who's yet cats? Running

back from Spears is one of my guys. He's one of my favorites. I think he's gonna be I think he's gonna be a handful. And you put him in and let him go, and you think about the success that Tony Pollard has been able to have an the National Football League. Has that explosive back I think he has all the day. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. He's electric. Uh. He left a lasting impression with his big game against USC at the end. He's the one that's one of my favorites. He's a

fun one. I was at that USC the Cotton Bowl. It was at at and T Stadium. My goodness, it was next level phenomenal stuff. You go, Kyle, you want me to go. But I've always I've always been one that likes the Jordan Addison, the Jackson Smith and chick buzz. It was funny. I was talking yesterday with somebody and they said, where do you think the Cowboys under the radar? What do you think their first round pick would be? Not your prediction, but what would be one to watch

out for. You mentioned wide receivers earlier, you mentioned Ceedee Lamb and then drop off to Michael Gallup at that number two spot. I think you go and get wide receiver talent at some point. They did it last year. They waited on Jalen Tilbert. They felt really good about that. I haven't given up on Jalen Tolbert yet. They didn't brand. David didn't need somebody earlier. They need somebody early. Jordan Addison, USC, Jackson Smith and Jacbot Ohio State. You talk about technical

route runners. Those have been fun and I used to I used to really get onto David Hellman on this trip. Specifically, I remember getting on to Hellman when we were sitting at one of these tables on Radio Row and I was like, dude, you can't always take a wide receiver. You can't always tell me the Cowboys are gonna take a wide receiver. And here I am talking about a wide receiver, a couple of wide receivers that I really

like in the first round. It's funny that you talk about those two guys, because Jackman Smith a nick people I think I've forgotten about, Like I know he didn't play Butch at all this year, but the year before he was unbelievable. Yeah, and he is an al STANDI rout runner. I think three forty seven against the Rose in the best in the draft in terms of just like running around, getting the open, creating separation, made him

to get busy. He can do it. I will say this, Zay Flowers has a very soft spot in my heart in terms of Jos in college being a big time playmaker. He reminds me a lot. He reminds me of ab and Tier Brown without the craziness. Like I don't think he has all the crazy stuff, but when you watch him run routes, can get get down and he catches the ball on the run. He he is a problem. Sidney Brown from Illinois is gonna be water that is going to get on people's nerves. I love his versatility.

We talked about how much experience matters. It's a five year starter. This is a guy that understands the game. He can play from different spots. But I really feel like I call him swiper. I feel like I call him swiper because I feel like you can you can He's because of his size, you can miss him. You can miss him, not see him. I think he's gonna make a difference on a team when he comes in. He's just he's a smart player. But I love his eyes and how he plays the ball. Yeah, we get

get a brother for free. We can. We try to trade on a couple of years ago. We're still working one too. You can't impress the player to me, and especially with the versatility to maybe play some outside as well, if he gets the coaching and do it. That being a sure nickel in this league has value, being able to play in the box and stuff. Yeah, I love him. Well. I think that's the other thing you talk about, Like one of the things that stands out this draft. All

the safeties are nickel guys. They are there are pure safeties in this class. All those guys play the star position that was popularized in Alabama. All those guys are basically nickel corners that can hit and blitz off the edges and so it is hard to find a pure center fial safety. But yeah, the nickel position that you talk about. Everyone is looking for those guys that have that versatility go inside of work to slop. Would you

this is I can't believe I'm asking this question. Still would you take a first round running back at twenty six, sayt B. Jean Robinson's there twenty six with you make that pack. Yes, I'll run the card up. Okay, I'm still I'm still yeah. So here here's the thing that I think some people are missing about the first round running back compared to the mid level guys. Okay, how many bid level guys have been the guy beyond three years? So what happens is you get a flash in the pan,

a guy who can do it for one year. Whatever the difference is, your first round back, your workhorse back. He's a dude who has always been the dude who is comfortable being to do, comfortable being the workhorse. Even with Ezekiel Elliott has kind of come back to the pack, there's still something about him as the league guy. And remember what this seven or eight for Zeke year? Yeah years that we're going into your eight. You're so those

first five years were pretty solid. So I think now what you're looking for if I'm if I'm gonna get it back, I'm gonna get it back. I don't want to keep having a recycle or whatever. Like I'm not a guy that likes to go and buy use cars. I'm gonna get a car. I want a car. I won a nice new car. I want all the build and whistles. I don't want to have to shrimp like it's now changed. I don't want to be like, oh, I got blue Ray in my car, as opposed to the I want all the stuff I want. I want

all the stuff. And so, yeah, Bijon Robinson is there. To me that would make so much sense because there's something about not only like the talent, but the size. Yea, at some point, you gotta have a big back. Big back wears down to deferense. You still need a big back.

It continues to split Cowboys nations. I mean, and when you talk about Mike McCarthy and kind of what he looks for and running back, it's kind of weird because there were instances where he had power guys, but he also had a guy that could catch the ball out the backfield, be shifty and things like that. So the balance to balance things out with a TP who yeah, franchise tag might be important moving forward. So it's funny because I don't know if I shared this for me,

if he shared this with everybody. He talked about the tweeting Ezekiel Elliot and Tony Pollard, and he talked about Ezekiel Elliott being that big old sedan. Yep, big old heavy sedan and you drive that car every day, whereas tps to one, he's like you little fast, little catillactics, take out on sudden, you drop the top and do that. But if you ask him to do a heavy lifting,

it's not really what he does. And I think I always want Tody Pollit to beat at his best, so I don't want to change his role and give him more responsibilities and potentially take away from make some special. So I'm looking for the guy that can be the replacement to Zeke Elliott, who can do the heavy short yardage, four minute stuff whatever. It may not need to be a first round backer, but at some point they need the banger to do that so TP can continue to

do what he always does. So you heard it from Bucky Brooks himself. It's either be Gen Robinson or Taje Spears. They're both gonna have a Cowboys star on their helmets, gonna be fantastic, what not, Let's make it happen. Let's just go all skill guys. Guys, I'm waiting for the fist pump I got yeah, yeah, yeah, both of you, because yeah skill guys. I'm always here, guys. All right, Bucky, thanks so much for doing this. Is a ton of fun. I'm sure we'll catch up with you down the line.

Good luck the rest of the way, not only throughout the combine, but of course throughout the draft process as well. Of course, fine, thanks for having all Right, that does it for us here on the Draft Show. Stay tuned Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We've got more content from Indianapolis coming your way very very soon. For Asia Morrison and Bucky Brooks. I'm Kyle Yeoman's as a Draft show presented by Miller Lite. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.