Seizures, Lyme & Hashimoto’s: Ava’s Full Recovery with Dr. Pompa

Man, I cannot wait for you to hear this pain-to-purpose story. It's going to give so many of you hope. This young lady, beautiful young lady, as you'll see in a minute, well, what a story it is, because she spent a year and a half bedbound. Life was ruined. Her parents spent volumes of money trying to get her well. And this is a story of breakthrough.

Yes. Um organic client. Yeah. Total God thing how we got connected.

We'll tell that story. You're going to have to hang in there for how she ended up uh marrying my son.

Just become a client, and then you can have the next son.

That's hilarious, actually. Yeah. We might have some takers here. Um, but fact is, is that your story, I want you to go back, okay. Um, and we're gonna tell the first part of the story. Okay, but then I want you to go back further, maybe how you ended up, how you got there. Okay. But uh let's start with that, right? Where were you when you found me?

W where I was when I found you is I was in a very dire situation. Like I mentioned, I was bedbound for about a year and a half, probably a year by the time I met you, which sounds short, I know comparatively sometimes, but I mean, I was 17, my mom's my caregiver, I'm passing out into showers. I got about 20 different diagnoses. So I had POTS, brain swelling, seizures, Hashimoto's. They told me hormone issues, you're never gonna have kids if I'm gonna be real.

Yeah. Yeah. And look, you were also obviously you went the regular medical route for a while, you know, and in Mayo, et cetera. And then you were diagnosed with Lyme.

Yes.

Uh, Epstein Barr. Yes. Which will we're gonna tell all these stories. Chronic, right?

Like chronic mono, even solid in the blood work, chronic EBV, okay, it's still elevated, and you got it a year ago.

Yeah. But those things weren't really the problem. Yeah. They were opportunistic, which many people chase those things and wonder why they're still not well. Well, you went through that. Um, we're gonna talk about the causative factors that literally led to a lot of that. Okay, let's back up just a little further because there is a hu a tremendous breakthrough story here, but yeah, um, that so many people need because so many people have the symptoms that you had.

Yeah, it's all real.

No, it is. Well, no, I say that because we've done some social media things with your story. And people like literally just tear you apart. They're like, oh my gosh, those eyebrows are real. They're real, but the reason I even say that is because you lost those beautiful eyebrows.

I lost it, my lashes were falling out, and it is sweet. I will say, the women come to my rescue. Somebody will say, Well, I had Hashimoto's and I'd kill to have eyebrows like that.

And at this point, Yeah, but it is the women who cut you down, not the men. You I see because I read some of that, it looked like the men who are defending you, but okay. All right. It's just hit or some of the women.

Luckily, I like them. Uh it's not a big deal to me. If this was something I was insecure about, maybe. But again, when you go through a health issue like I did at that severity, the your your self-confidence was so hit down. At this point, if you're gonna comment on my eyebrows, to me, that's not a big deal. I'm functional, I can drive my car, I can work. I'm good.

Oh, and by the way, I uh you know have a grandchild. Yes, the first one first grandchild, little Dovey, uh, who I wish were here. She'd be well, not true because she'd be she's a wrecking boy. She would literally disrupt this whole thing here. But um no, but she beautiful baby that is only here because of this victory in the health journey.

Yeah, with your joke, it's like because you healed me, I was able to get pregnant and have a baby. And that was even that wasn't part of the dream at the time. The dream was to be sufficient for my parents to not have to pay for all my procedures, for my parents like not to have to support me financially. Um, and that's emotionally hard on their marriage, too. And so, I mean, having a baby and getting married and all these things, I know we're skipping ahead, wasn't even a dream at the time.

Yeah.

Right? And you would always kind of pull me out of that. You would say things like, and I know Marilee did that for you too. You would say things along the lines of, you're gonna be on this cellular healing TV with me one day, and you're gonna I know it's weird how you live, you're living in an answered prayer, and you almost need reminded of that sometimes.

Yeah, it's awesome.

That's I I'm sure you get that a lot. That's new to me.

Yeah. Yeah, and she's referencing the POMPA program, which was birthed out of when I would take clients on years ago. Everything I taught doctors for 20 years, yeah, is like I was obviously, you know, putting uh into practice for people like yourself looking for answers that didn't have any. Yeah. And uh birth was POMPA program out of that because now we've helped I I don't even know how many thousands of people. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no doubt about it.

Yeah. It's really, really encouraging because I think something that really opened my eyes. I know you were talking about chronic Epstein Bar and Chronic Lyme. They were uh interferences, but they were symptoms of my immune system being distracted by upstream causative factors at the cell. And what was just really encouraging is working working with you. I realized my body wasn't broken. I just hadn't had the right approach. And there's so many half-truths, even in the natural world.

Yeah. I deal with it. Well, and let me just speed up because pain to purpose, right? It's like she started literally working with clients, you know, leading them to the program. I mean, just organically. When you get your life back by something, it's like you just want to tell the world.

For sure.

You know, and that that is the the pain, and then it became your purpose. Yeah in talking to people just like yourself, and people looking to get their lives back. And now she trains so many of our, you know, people that are, you know, um, you know, health advisors and you know, people that lead people into the program. So pain to purpose. Okay, but I want to go back because I mean, how did you land there? I mean, did you have a normal childhood?

I guess I I think looking back now, I know it's not normal, but at the time I thought I was very average. I had asthma, I had allergies. I just remember growing up, my grandparents have a farm, GMO, corn, and soy, so not the healthy.

Meaning the chemic the chemicals growing up on these farms, we know now opens up the blood-brain barrier. And that's it.

Yes. And what shocked me, and I think you talked about this too, is that happened in the last 50 years because we love to say, oh, but our generation had this exposure, our generation ate this food and we're fine. That opens the blood brain barrier. These heavy metals and these exposures, infections, are actually able, from what I understand, cross the blood brain barrier. Exactly.

Yeah, they go, they go deeper. And you know, that's the thing is we know all of us are now exposed to this chemical called glyphosate. There's others. But uh 2012 was the first study that I had recognized that said just that.

And I remember driving, riding on the combine with my grandpa. Spraying. It was just normal. We were very involved. My grandparents were there, my cousins, I had nine co eight cousins, I was one of nine. And so we hung out there all the time. And then I was always the kid getting extra flu shots because I had uh asthma and allergies. Oh, if she and that's the I don't want to say tactic, but that was part of them saying my brothers wouldn't get the flu shots multiple times per year.

And by the way, flu shots, even to this day, for people listening, contain mercury. Well, RFK to the rescue because thymerosol, this was just passed. It's still in there, but it's it's going to come out by law. He has basically mandated, he went before Congress, showed them the research on uh uh something called thimerosol that contains m mercury and it's still in flu shots and some other vaccines, but now there it is going to be outlawed.

For sure. And then praise God on that. And to your point, and I saw something I learned from you as well. The difference between thimerosol or mercury being injected is different than eating fish. And I think some people don't even recognize that.

It's actually penetrates the brain more. Yeah. It was a there was a study, a monkey study done some years ago, and they literally from the study said, Oh, this ethyl mercury, as it's called, um, it's in and out of the body so fast they were literally calling it the safe mercury because we couldn't detect it uh in the monkeys, et cetera. Well, it was some years later that one of the scientists in the study said, Hey, we kept the bait those monkeys' brains, right?

That's shocking. Yeah. People don't know that. And I think the hardest thing to kind of wrap my head around this is that was so normalized, especially in Indiana. We grew up on a farm, I raised pigs. Uh, I loved my childhood. I have really, really fond memories, but my parents didn't know better. And when they of course right, and then it's like that perfect storm. And so I was okay though, most of my childhood. It was just allergies and asthma. I say just, but now I know it's not normal.

Who is? Right, you're embarrassed. Even even males aren't doing that, right? Let alone a female have.

Oh, yeah, here's some sympathy. I'm crying. I didn't tell anybody.

Well, we did have some pictures. I I should have told you to bring them because we have insert them.

I have.

Yeah, yeah. We we can insert some of the the pics. Um, because you know, I mean, you definitely do you remember what you said look like this. No, what did I say?

You don't remember. No, maybe I do. I don't remember. The swamp monster. Oh no.

That's so funny. I really said that. How did that make you feel when I said that?

Terrible. Oh god. Well, it made me in a weird way feel I'm like, well, I don't look like that. And even somebody who saw me in the height of my chronic illness, one of the dentists or surgeons who is trained in root cause protocols that you work with and refer people to, he came into your house because he's visiting, and he mentions I look like Brookshields and doesn't even recognize me. He's like, Oh, what's your name? And I've met him three or four times. So good to meet you.

No, when you when you transitioned, you know, and again, when we started getting to the real causes, because you did a lot of things. Like I did. Yeah. Chased your thyroid, chased your adrenals, chased your.

What all did you do?

Oh, God. I mean, I I did a little bit of everything, and and I I look back and I laugh sometimes because if I thought someone had an answer, I would, I would go, right? Yeah. I remember this this one clinic that I go to, I won't mention any names, but I read the guy's book, right? And I like thought, surely this is gonna be the answer. It's gonna help my adrenals and my thyroid. And they I went in there, you know.

Yeah.

Because I always thought the the answer was in my story. Like I did. I always thought, like, if they just listened to the clues, like when I got sick, how I got sick, this, they're they're gonna be able to help me. And I would have hope if they listened. Okay, I immediately didn't have hope because I could tell he wasn't listening, and I could tell that he was just putting me through the ringer. So I went on this thing called TikTok.

Oh, not the app. I'm like, there's TikTok at the time. Like, how young are you? No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

I'm talking to a different generation here. They didn't have TikTok back then when I was sick in 1999. That was probably like 2001, who knows? But, anyways, no TikTok. I was wondering. This TikTok was like a little, I don't know what it was actually, but I'm sitting there going, like, you know, where are the exits? Because I'm just wasting my time. And at this point, I'm like, you know, wasting more money, which I didn't have at the time. Okay, so that was just the other thing.

It's so relatable to everybody, myself included, in the clients I talk to. And I hear people do actually, maybe this wasn't the best thing, really, really good protocols, whether it be stem cells, hyperbaric, ozone, rife machines, you know, they're taking the newest methylene blue or this like phospholipid support, and they're like, I'm addressing the cell. And I think the sad thing is the way it's marketed. And like you said, not having I didn't have the money.

Well, no one understands.

Yeah.

I mean, and and again, uh my wife, you know, Marile, she she understood as best she could, but still not until you live that life. Like, especially when I became really sensitive to things, right? Like she really didn't understand because it would change my personality, right? And um then I start feeling guilty, and then I started pushing her away because of the guilt myself. So it's amazing our relationship lasted, you know.

Well, it's a testament to God and her devotion and and your devotion too, and what he's transformed with that. But you said something that I think so many people can relate to is you push people away. I remember not actually.

That's not isolation. You want to be isolated somewhat, but yeah.

You you do because I I just remember not having the energy to hold a conversation, and that sounds bizarre, but I mean, you don't. You don't have the energy to hold a conversation, nobody understands. And I mean, how do you tell people when you don't know what's going on? Okay, what's your diagnosis? And so I send over these like, oh, I have pots, I have dysautonomia, I have liver issues, uh, my brain's swelling. Okay, so where's the med to fix it?

Like I was like, fix me. Yeah, I mean, especially because I mean I came with a philosophy, right? It's like where medication is not the answer, but I'm gonna be honest with you. I mean, there were times where you know, I was saying to my wife, you think I should just be on, you know, a psychotropic drug, meaning like something is wrong. You know, I I was at the point where I'd have done anything. Yeah, I mean, it's true. You know, we talk about isolation.

Yeah, and it it's just so lonely, like you're talking about, and you the crazy thing is you're hiding it, you're pushing through. And then when you do open up out of not even desperation, but you kind of have to because you're slipping or you're not being able to show up the way you normally would. So you kind of let them in and then you're misunderstood and they don't get it because you're also confused. And so it it it's just like it's a very painful thing all around.

Yeah, the difference was again being there, being on the other side, right? You know, knowing that it's you know, that person needs me to hear their story. But truly, I I understand that the the really the solution. I'm trying not to say the C word, right? The solution, yeah. I was like, pause, pause. The solution is in the the details of the story, meaning the causes, right?

Totally.

Yeah, can you remember?

Yeah, I can remember the questions you were asking me, the hope you gave me, the confidence you had. And I think it was just really, really neat for me because I always told my mom this multiple times. I remember looking to her and saying, This is my chance. This is my chance. Because I had hope, and I'm gonna be like, I don't want to cry, but like imagine your mom giving you showers at 17. You're not dating, like you're not I I just I like fell off the face of the earth. I didn't go to prom.

Yeah. I remember a lot of stuff he didn't give.

What's going on?

His love for you was evident because even though he didn't get it, he's like, whatever, right? Sure.

And then after seeing me get better, I think that was one of the most encouraging and inspiring things. Is after seeing me get better, is he I still remember this conversation. He stopped being in the car, and I was just starting to. I remember my mom called you too. Hey, um, she's getting better. She was out until 5 a.m. last night. Yeah, I know.

Oh my god.

What do I do, Dr. Pumpkin? This is a new question.

Yeah, because I'm like a boy, right? It's like the you feel a little better and then you come out and sabotage. It's not like you were a drinker, but you were staying up late.

No, I was sitting up and I'm like, I'm around friends, I'm gonna go on a date, I'm gonna get back out there, I gotta, you know, make up for lost time.

And then the next call would be like, I'm fatigued again. Okay, hold back. You know, I know you're feeling better, but but hold back, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I go ahead, what are you gonna do?

No, I was just gonna say my dad apologized. And it was it was really like I still remember it to this day where uh he knew something was wrong, I think, because the doctors, even at Riley and Mayo, were just saying, take a walk, take this fabromyalgia medication, take these muscle relaxers, and just pray for her. She'll be okay, right? Just walk it off. It's long mono, it's all these issues.

They wouldn't say that, but yeah, you I you know, you have guilt, right? Yeah, like you you had the loss of your those important years, dating, etc. When I was sick, I had the loss of my kids at that age, right? It's like your husband, he was the oldest. Um, I had two boys at the time, Daniel and Isaac, and he remembers, right? It's like I would fake it. I I remember, I mean, I was uh we went to an amusement park. It was one of the good days.

And to be misunderstood, and to like you had a good day, which still to the average person, if they woke up feeling like how we did in our chronic illness every day, you get felt like you got hit by a truck. I had chronic headaches so bad, I would wear ice caps and just like I think we had a picture of that. I mean my brother's concussion cap with ice, and so you're pushing through trying so hard, and then to still like feel like you're letting the people around you that you love down.

Steroids, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Arthritis, methotrexate, steroids, what was the other metformin for blood sugar. I mean, the there was muscle relaxers for fibromyalgia, antidepressants, which you just you get more symptoms. There's side effects to those medications.

Let's transition um to a happier moment. Um I mean, getting okay, so we kind of alluded to this, right? It's you, like myself, did a lot of things, right? We both addressed our adrenals, we addressed our thyroid, we addressed our gut problem, we addressed, I mean, all these natural things. Of course, you probably had more of the um Western medicine um totally than I did. But uh none of, I mean, again, I maybe some things helped a little bit.

Yeah, and it's you were asking these questions that nobody else has asked. And so a big one for me personally was the dental infections. And that's something nobody had ever looked at. Wisdom teeth extractions, the way they remove them can lead to cavitations, root canals. That was a big thing.

So let me just pat back up uh a cavitation where the way that they were removing wisdom teeth, and still are in many cases, although we've learned a lot, it would heal over 20 years later, sometimes way less, right? Years a few years later, it heals over. No pain, but there's infections that harbor where the tooth was taken out. And for different reasons, it stays there, but it decimates the immune system, it decimates the microbiome. Yeah, exactly.

Which so much of your immunity, and then of course I have chronic infections. And what was interesting, I think I was one of the first ones, or just a slightly different case where mine grew in impacted. And so I hadn't even had them.

I missed it for a little year. For a year. Yeah. I missed it for a year because you had your wisdom. I was used to seeing people that had wisdom teeth out, and it's one of the things that we always look at. And there's that you can't see these things on an x-ray. So I people run out because they're gonna call their dads and go, you know, oh you're look at your x-ray. It looks clear. Yeah, mine did too. So did yours. But it's a cone beam and they have to be trained to have a specific software.

That's why I worked with you and your team of experts to do it right, save the money, save. I jumped through more hoops than I needed to.

We work with dentists around the country who know how to identify these things. But so I missed it on you because you had your wisdom teeth, so I didn't think there was one of these.

Right.

I don't remember. Refresh my memory.

I remember the catalyst.

Yeah. Tell me the catalyst.

This is what kept happening. You were trying to detox, because you work with detoxing the cell membrane, getting the inflammation down, using the right chelators and binders in their half-life, getting into the blood-brain barrier. And I was trying to get into the brain phase because that was obviously a big part of my journey.

Yeah, this is where a lot of the toxins are. And and this is what alternative medicine just doesn't do correctly. 20 years of teaching doctors how to do it right, still frustrated.

Well, that's why, yeah, you have what you do now, exactly, to get people lasting results. And so we were trying to, we were getting into the brain phase, and I kept, this is what I kept saying. And I remember I want I was motivated. I'm doing it, tell me what to do. I'm doing the coffee enemas, I'm doing everything I can to help down.

And by the way, I want to say that. So I don't take on typically teenagers. I took you on because I sensed that in you that you were going to do anything that I told you to do. So I did that, I took her on. So, anyways, I'll put you in. I don't close that loop early.

And so I just kept saying, and it was ironically enough, it makes sense because the infections and even where the infections were, I kept saying, My head feels like a bowling ball when I'm detoxing. I'm I'm trying so hard. I'm in a lot, a lot of pain when I'm detoxing, and I just could not drain. And so then some people, the average doctor, even naturopath, okay, lymph work, da-da-da-da-da. It wasn't working.

They were hiding underneath. It was a sometimes the wisdom teeth, they move and they create a gap. Then infection all the lime, the Epstein bar, even parasites now. We know they hide in those pockets.

I have the photo. I was one of the, as always, I feel like I was always the worst, the worst, which in a weird way is kind of relieving because I'm not crazy. Look at me, I'm horrible. I have actually this going on. It kind of felt nice to be told that's a really, really bad result. And so when they went in there, I had them send out a biopsy because I wanted to know, and I can put the results on the screen. Yeah. Everything was in red lime, like staph bacteria.

Yeah.

They were very, very high. I got this removed with the brain phase, with the cellular detox, with the shifts you had me make. I have no antibodies. They are undetectable. Off, I'm not on glandulars and I'm not on any uh armor thyroid. That's nuts.

Yeah, well, that's the power of getting to the cause. The body heals, and it sounds trite and easy, but it's true. You know, that was a cause that no matter what you would have done, all the tricks, all the saunas, all the whatever, all the detox, nothing would have worked because these pathogens were hiding there because your immune system allowed them because of obviously the is some of the things we talked about, right?

No, that was a catalyst. So, you know, you're going and also by the way, this is TMI. I did not need, I was, I was virgin. There was no reason to give me a Gardasol vaccine, which is obnoxious now as a mom, thinking about that, just doing your due diligence and asking some questions. And I again, I know some people lie, but there's no reason for this vaccine. So I'm going in when I'm already chronically ill. I have Lyme and I have mono, and they're giving me this Gardasol vaccine.

Yeah, well, that that's a that's a flu shot. A flu shot.

So that after that is when I remember I remember banging my head against the wall that night at 17.

Gosh.

And I remember thinking, oh, I screwed up.

Yeah, that's crazy because younger kids, you know, autistic kids do that because of the brain inflammation, which they found out you had brain inflammation.

Uh-huh. And that's why they tried IVIG, which is 50k a pop, all these different things. Uh terrifying. I just remember I messed up. I think the saddest thing is, and I know there's so much information now about side effects and informed consent. And, you know, again, I'm just everybody, I wish I knew what I knew now. The craziest thing was, and the saddest thing, and this is why I praise God for you. There is no information that actually works on how to get over it once you screwed up.

Yeah, yeah, it is. All right. So we know, right? It's like even if these infections aren't the thing that made you sick, because you had a lot of things, it will keep people from getting well because these pathogens can hide there in every best effort, all the ozone, all the things just won't touch it. Learned it the hard way myself, right? So, but that was one thing. And then uh we were concerned about the home you were in, low low grade. There was mold.

And that's why I appreciated your you and your expertise so much, because I couldn't even jump into that surgery. You have to be healthy enough to heal and grow bone back. You have such a protocol and expertise on how to lead people through preparing, opening pathways, getting to the cell membrane, lowering inflammation, making sure there aren't other upstream interferences. And what I mean by that is the dental infections, the mold in your home, the metal exposures.

Absolutely.

And it was so incredible.

Now, here's the failure of most functional alternative medicine. Number one, they try to detox people without getting to the real causes, right? Which we're talking about. Someone could be in a multi home.

R1, remove the source.

That's my R's that I teach. I'm a mini pompa now.

Exactly.

You know, it's like they don't even ask them about the homes they're living in. They don't even ask them about, you know, meditation. What's that?

Why do you think they don't?

I I mean I I hope it's just them not knowing because uh maybe it's hard. Maybe it's too hard, right? Because to ask people about their home means you have to walk them through a process of doing something about it. To ask people about their dental work or send them out, a lot of alternative doctors don't like send people out because they feel like it's gonna add expense and then they're not gonna do what they do.

I was gonna say expertise and it's not a good business model to get people fully better.

Yeah, so the alternative field's kind of broken there where they don't make referrals correctly and they don't ask the upstream questions. But I mean, I have had people go to the most popular alternative doctors you can think of, and they're doing things and they never even looked in their mouth to see that they have a silver amalgam filling, which is part of how I got sick, 50% mercury in their mouth. And you've been seeing them for how many years?

Mercury and I forgot to chronic candida.

Chronic candida, people that have mercury end up with chronic candida problems.

Because it kills the good bacteria and it suppresses the immune system. No wonder I had chronic Lyme, no wonder I had chronic Epstein Bar. And I remember my test would come back and I kept thinking, oh, this is the root cause because mercury goes to the blood brain barrier. Is it 48 hours it crosses or after the exposure?

Oh, yeah. I mean it it starts, it can start crossing almost immediately in certain aspects.

But that can go to the pituitary. And I remember always getting tests like, oh, your HPA, HPA axis is messed up. Your pituitary, your thyroid, your hormones and adrenals are messed up.

By the way, alternative doctors, they treat that, they treat that, they treat that, more hormones, more hormones. It's like, no, see, that's what happened to me. Yeah. My the mercury accumulated in my pituitary. And then here's the other problem with alternative medicine. They're putting people on these ridiculous detoxes, they're not getting to where it really is.

And then you get on the hormones, and then there's those side effects. And so I think that was one of the most insightful things when I met with you, is you were able to look at this and say, oh, this is why your thyroid hormones, pituitary, and adrenals, it meshed and made sense with what I had already uncovered. But you, you know how you hoped that doctor would piece together your puzzle for you? You pieced together my puzzle for me.

Yeah, and I I have so much criticism for where functional medicine has gone because they're not asking questions to get to the real cause, they're not getting it the correct way. Like the way they do heavy metal detox is dangerous. Yeah. Doesn't work at best. Um, and the way they even deal with mycotoxins, as they're called, people with mold illness and other infections, just trying to kill the infection instead of asking why it came in the first place. Yeah. Big disaster.

Yeah.

And that actually happened a couple times because you you weren't, to your point, you weren't healthy enough to build bone yet. We've learned a lot, by the way. We know how to build bone yet.

You won't hopefully go through that like I did. I also, I mean, I was just so immunocompromised and I just had so much going on. I lived in mold, I had these infections for years of my life. I'm so immunocompromised. I'm trying to heal from these surgeries. I wasn't taking all the things I was supposed to take. And so I think if I can tell anybody anything, you want to save time, energy, and money, just like work with the experts who have gotten the results and know what you're doing, like you.

Yeah. Okay, well, listen to this part of the story.

Exciting. And so full transparency, and I think this is why it's exciting, is right, he his bucket hasn't tipped yet. He started having some hip pain, potentially looking at a hip replacement. His bread and butter is golf. He loves golf so much. He will do anything for golf. He will use a red light he never thought he would use. And so he's then telling his friends about it.

Oh, yeah. I begged and your mom probably.

Oh, yeah, Lanty. My mom's in his ear. Yeah. You need to do this, you need to do this. So he flew out from Indiana by himself. Actually, ran into him. I think I had Dove, and he was here with Chandler getting it done. And he got it removed. And I remember he texted me, is this a placebo effect? Because I feel great.

Yeah.

And I'm like, of course it's a no, I'm kidding. It's not a placebo effect. Of course. And so he had no hip pain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he didn't even do everything right.

Yeah, exactly. That's amazing. He didn't want to believe it. I I've had that happen. There's a reason for that because when you get these infections, his was a lot of root canals, which by the way, hide these infections as well. And um, it there's a meridian, a nerve meridian on every tooth. And when you re-literally, when you take that infection out, that nerve meridian literally reconnects. So we've had people say, I felt literally reconnected to my body in the dental chair.

It's crazy. I didn't even want to believe it.

Yeah.

Because you don't want to get too hopeful, but I just remember, oh my gosh, this is the first time I'm walking up the stairs without joint pain. I'm I can't imagine having, and this is where my heart goes out. And praise God for you and your process and your team members and the method, because the amount of people I didn't go through my journey when I was a mom and when I was married.

It is, yeah. It totally is.

It really is.

Yeah, you know, it's like, um I always thought, I guess that's why I was trying to push Marily away. You know, if I was single and but you know, it would have been easier, but I still had my boys that I was disappointing, you know. I you know, fast forward, I I'm I'm now working with my kids, right? How many adults can say that? Yeah. You know, they're they're helping me take a message to the world, which was prophetic words spoken over my life when I was sick, my wife on her knees many times.

Well, think about it. You lost your life before many other people lost theirs at a younger age. And because you walked through that journey, you are able to help so many moms, dads, wives, husbands, like daughters, brothers, like uh sons, because of how terrible that was, your information and training these doctors and even helping me. Like, think about this. Okay, you helped me. Now people are stopping me saying I'm helping them.

I've Tell them to tell them what I said. Daniel goes, You would be great. Okay, I didn't yeah, okay.

And so I was like, I I think I was like intimidated by you a little bit in it.

Like, I just Well, because I was your you know, doctor. Yeah, you just saved my life.

That's a big freaking deal. And so Daniel's like, you should do this. I think you might be good. And I'm like, Great, I'm broke. Sure, I'm 19. Like, I'm I'm going to go to college. Sure, this transformed my life. So then Daniel goes to you. He's like, I think Ava uh should maybe try consulting and da-da-da-da. And what did you say?

You said I said, Oh my god, she's like a cheerleader, you know, meaning like she's like who's going to take the high school cheerleader that serious is what I was saying. So I said, I don't that's not a good idea. Well, I it somehow it happened, even without the case. Daniel's persistent. Yeah, exactly. And and you know, he he already was running the show. So um, that's my son Daniel.

There was two other people, and if they're not as good as the two other people at the time, in the first week, like she's cut. Don't worry. And there was no training, yeah, no process. And these two also were like in Utah, so they're buddy buddy, they have each other to help out. And I'm like at home in Indiana. Uh-oh, okay. So this is high stakes. All right, let's do this.

And it just took that, I I as soon as I heard you on with a client looking to get their life back.

So he listened to my calls too.

Yeah, and I I heard her, I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, pain to purpose. I mean, she's like, let me tell you when I felt that way. Let me tell you, you know, I was like, sure, because this is why I became effective, is because I got sick. Yeah. And now I'm before the same people, same thing, right? And yeah, I it her job wasn't to, you know, her job wasn't to coach them through at that point. It was she was just meeting them where they are to tell her story. But um I I promised them this.

I think this is one of the sweetest moments, and I love hearing your perspective from she comes from a good family. Uh we I like her and her family. Uh, maybe, maybe not, because it's like he's young and it is serious, you're going far out. I hadn't had a long-term boyfriend. I was very, very picky. And what was I don't know if you know this, I tried to cancel the day of.

Oh no, I didn't know.

He was on his layover and I stopped responding, and I was like, Are you are you in the air? And he's like, Why? He's like, I knew you were trying to cancel. My mom's like, You cannot do that, Ava. Be nice. Because if I'm gonna be completely honest, uh, I just wasn't looking for a relationship, but he was very like pursuing, and we had everything. Imagine, like, he lives in Utah, I live in Indiana. I don't know if this is serious.

I didn't know.

Timing.

I didn't know. Okay, let me tell a part of the story that I don't I I think you know this. Okay, so here's the part of the story. So um I communicate with someone on Vox, something called Voxer, anyways. Any health catchment note. Right. So I'm gonna I'm actually gonna see something. I I don't even know if the same picture's there, but okay.

It is 16-year-old.

Oh yeah, but you can't see it. Okay, there's this cute picture next to her that you can't see it, so you can't ball, yeah. Anyways, and so I wish I could pull that up. But, anyways, um my wife said, I said, Oh, look, you know, look how cute Ava is, right? And and my wife's like, yeah. And then she showed, like, I think it was like my son Isaac was there. I think Daniel was there. Look how cute Ava is, kids, right? And she shows them the picture of Ava.

Did you I'll tell I'll tell this story, and I learned about this later. Daniel DM'd me, but I had requested to follow him. I never messaged, but because you had asked me to pray for him when his own journey about breaking his back and the cliff jumping. But funny enough, when he told me that story, uh it was three months into us uh chatting, dating, talking. Like we were he, I'm gonna be completely open. He's like, I want to get married. I love that. Like he was like guns ablazing.

Yeah.

She showed them a photo of me, and Daniel's like jokingly, I'm 17, he's 19, we're two years apart. Jokingly said, Oh, give her two years. We met two years later.

Oh, wow.

Literally, 1921, and then Marile goes, No, she's for Isaac. And that was the because we're the same age.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even think that. I haven't even heard that part.

The first thing Isaac says to me when I get to your guys' house, I don't know if you know this, you chose the wrong brother.

No.

And I was like, what are they thinking?

And it was a joke. I didn't know that. Yeah.

These people are funny.

These are good people. These people. These people are funny. That's so funny. We're we're a very open family.

They're funny. They have a really, really cool dynamic.

Yeah, we it's a very open family. Yeah. I'm surprised they didn't fight over you at that point. No, it was God's will. I mean, you know, God had purpose in it. He really did. Totally. You know, it's funny. I I think I Daniel jokes about this, so I'm not being too out of form. He's like, you know, if I, if maybe, you know, because I make comments like, you know, dude, you got, you know, what are you signing up for? You know, she's sick, she's not healed yet.

And I remember getting a text and I'm in it. I'm like, what the hell? Like, my file? What's in my file? What is Dr. Pampa telling him? I was scared. But it was, it was totally a God thing. And I think it was so cool, is because I will say this he was very gentleman, got an Airbnb for five nights, did not stay together. I we didn't live together before we got married. So, like, I think you know, God God aligned a lot of things. Uh, and so it's maybe it saved me. I was gonna go to college.

Yeah. So all worked out.

Shifted.

Fast forward, you start doing the right detox. Yes. Right? We identified the sources, uh, removed the sources, right? Uh, you know, figured out, yeah, no wonder you have chronic candida, no wonder you have chronic lime FC bar, etc. Beat back those, but ultimately getting rid of these sources allowed your body to finally get through them, right? It was like when I had my mercury levels were so high, I beat back parasites and candida constantly.

And people measure that wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. So wrong. Yeah.

Yeah. The urine, the urine test, there's a challenge test that you can do properly. The only thing is it doesn't show what's in the brain tissue. It doesn't show it.

Heavy metals we're talking about. Yes. It doesn't show what's in the brain. And that's typically why people are sick unexplainably. So I'm always like the best heavy metal test, you know, unless you're doing biopsy in the brain, that's where it is. That's where it was in me.

Yep.

You know, the the first place we accumulate mercury, Drash study. That's a study, German study, but it it showed that the number of silver fillings mom has is proportional to how much ends up in the brain. Baby's brain. And they didn't know. In the baby's brain, autopsy studies, very accurate. And uh that's where I started accumulating from my mom, only to wear contact lenses, which had thimerosol, same thing was in the flu shots.

All those symptoms.

And that was a big part of getting you well too. We had to get the mercury loads out, the heavy metal loads out.

I don't have chronic, I'm gonna be so open with you guys. I had chronic candida so bad, chronic yeast infections, skin issues, open sores on my face. If I had the tiniest bit of fruit, I would get thrush on my tongue, a full flare up, chronic bloating. I lost 20 pounds. I eat sugar. You know, you know me.

Yeah, oh yeah.

I like sugar. Well, and it's like I I I'm gonna be so real. Uh I had to be so strict for so long, carnivorous seizures that I like the food freedom I have now. And there's times to be stricter, and I still live my life differently on the GMOs and the seed oils and organic. But what I reversed is pretty remarkable. This is all my own hair. Um, my no antibodies on my thyroid are they're undetectable. They were like one or two.

Yeah, she was full-blown Hashi.

Full blown Hashi, face swelling, uh, lost the weight. I had open sores, joint pain, no brain swelling. Every diagnose I got, got I I don't have anymore, which is unheard of. Unheard of.

That's what I, you know, that's what I want people to hear because that gives them hope. That's it. That's the pain to purpose. That's why I do this, right? I want people to hear the other stories to have hope because I didn't have well, I didn't have a lot of stories that I had to.

Did you look for the testimonials when you were?

I wanted to know. I I did. I wanted to talk to people. I would sit in people's waiting rooms like hoping to hear someone exactly like myself that said, I'm better. And unfortunately, I I didn't have that.

So, you know, I you created that though for other people.

Yeah, no, I believe I believe that. It is my story that probably has helped more people because it gave them hope. And yours, you know.

Well, your story, and then all the the coaches and the the leadership and the team members that you've helped, you've created an arsenal of testimonials that you didn't have and I didn't really have. I remember even looking still online. This was before Pompa program was brought to, I mean, the public, which is amazing. Uh, wish that well it happened the way it needed to happen, but that is just the coolest thing ever. Because now you can look on and there's arsenals of just testimonials.

Yeah, I always say I'm healthier at 60 than I was in my 30s.

You're 60?

Yeah, you know, the November 4th. I'm sick. She didn't know that I'm 60.

No, I did. He looks great. That's what we would call. Don't get both.

But you know, I mean, I honestly though, I mean, I literally take tests to show cellular age versus actual age, and I have de-aged um through the years. Yeah. You know, my cellular age, when I I remember the first cellular age test I took, I was 14 years older than my cellular age. I mean, my actual age, I'm sorry. My cellular age was 14 years older than my actual age. And that was because of my sickness, right? It literally knocked me back.

So I'm talking about a testimony there. Yeah, that's encouraging. Yeah. So man, and so even subclinical, because something you brought up I thought was really powerful. Hypothyroidism is typically undiagnosed, I will say, subclinical, because so many they they've moved the levels of what's okay, and they've changed it to this is okay, even though it's not ideal.

That's right.

And so it took even a long time to show my thyroid issues, but I was dealing with constipation, puffiness, paleness.

I had every symptom of thyroid. I went and I got a thyroid test and my blood work was normal. Tell them why that might be. Or here's what happens: people go to their doctor, that maybe they're out of range finally, right? Having symptoms of thyroid conditions, you know, the hair, the skin, the constipation, the no energy, the weight gain, unexplainable. And they go and they go, okay, you're out of range. They give them thyroid hormone, makes their blood work better, but they're not better.

Well, let's see you do it. It is the board.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, normally I'm drawing a cell. Exactly. You're right.

So it's it's a cellular issue, and the way I always like to explain it is so many people know insulin resistance, right? That's in vogue. It's common now. The insulin isn't getting into the cell, right? The same way with thyroid hormones, hormone medications, even supplements, right? If it's not getting into the cell, the T4, which is levo, synthroid, not getting into the cell, not converting to T3, those hormone receptors are blunted from the city.

Right, T3 is the active form that is designed to get in the cell.

But that's what makes you feel good. If it's not getting in on those hormone receptors to give the message to your body, you're not able to lose weight, your hair is falling out, you're puffy, you feel like crap. You're also not detoxing. And so people who have chronic inflammation on the cell membrane, which is your test, that is what I did, they're not methylating. And so I always get the conversation with a husband and wife, why do I have this exposure and I'm not as sick, right, as my wife?

So that's why your blood work could be normal or made normal, taking uh a hormone. And if it can't get in the cell, inflammation blocks that, right? So what drives that inflammation?

Toxins. Yeah.

She did. You know, that was fun because normally I'm the one saying that. And I I wanted her to because I'm like, she's gonna say it so much more simple than me. So let's just, yeah. Well, it's simplified. That was beautiful, by the way. Perfect. So yeah.

Maybe that's my superpower. I don't have the it, I I mean, truly, you inspired me. I wanted to go into nursing before I did this. I wanted to go into school. I'm like, I'm gonna do nursing, some type of integrative, uh, a nurse appropriate. I don't know what I want to do, but I want to be in integrative health because of you and because of how you transform my life. And then I quickly realized I'm still then kind of part of the managing issue. That's not that didn't align.

What do I always tell I always teach my doctors? If someone's not getting well, you miss something upstream.

Yeah. And that was my story. It wasn't all butterflies and roses, but it worked. And there's so much, like if you are struggling to get better, there's an upstream interference missed at the cell in the brain. If you've been told you've detoxed and you're still sick, probably didn't do it the right way.

And most people we just start with a cellulin test. If your cells are inflamed, nine times out of ten, it's mostly caused by certain toxins. Uh-huh. And if your cell's inflamed, your hormones aren't working right. If your cells are inflamed, you're right. Diet change doesn't work, supplements doesn't work because an inflamed cell, you can't get in the cell.

So even if you're doing stuff that works, you're not absorbing it, or you're managing. So it's expensive to manage. Like think about the rife machine or ozone. Okay, it kills the bacteria, helps the inflammation short term. You're not removing. So then the problem is you're still accumulating, and then your body's not methylating, because that's the other thing that's invoked. Oh, you're not methylating, you're not methylate. Take a B vitamin. Here's a methylate a B vitamin.

Right. Yeah. Managing. If it were only that, so if it were only that simple, right? Just managing, not getting to the cause why you're not methylating. It's not as simple as a gene. When people aren't methylating to get rid of toxins to help get rid of toxic hormones, literally, their stress bucket is full, wasting their methylation, and now they become methyl depleted. Gene or no gene, we have to always deal with the methylation as part of the process.

And so many people don't know that you can remove, they think the methylation is the root cause. That's right. And that there's something driving the methylation issue. And when you remove that, like you said, she's good.

Yeah, exactly.

That's encouraging.

Yeah, exactly. I it's just I I say all that, maybe you say all that, because functional medicine has put all this thing around the test and around methylation, around parasites.

Which is expensive and inaccurate.

But none of it, all the candida, the parasites, the methylation, all of that is downstream from getting to the toxins at the cellular level. You know, that's what God showed me. That's what I've taught for how many years.

Can I ask you a question? This is this would have been helpful to me. What are some red flags of detoxes? And I put like quotations that you should look out for, oh, that's that's not it.

Well, I mean, I think they're told that things like certain herbs, corella, cilantra, right, those things are going to chelate heavy metals. It's not true. They're weak by they actually make it worse. IV chelation makes it worse, right? I mean, IV chelation puts a lot in and then redistribution, and that's why you read the horse. And then I think that and I love saunas, but it's not that simple, right? And then people take those box cleanses out of the office.

I even heard last night we were at an event. Daniel was there, uh, and your son Simon as well. And I'm talking to this uh this young man who, you know, he's doing a rife machine for a heavy metal detox.

You see the guy I sent over to talk to you? Uh so he comes to me, uh, Dr. Pompa, right? And he's like having this conversation. He was starstruck.

He made he asked for a selfie.

I'm like, you need to talk to Ava. I just happen to be at the same event.

So he was starstruck. He was so excited to talk to you. And so I'm connecting with him, gonna send him a test kit, get him on with like a senior advisor. And I'm asking him about what he's doing, and you know, he's like, Oh, I'm doing a rife machine for heavy metal detox. And I'm like, oh my gosh.

Well, he came up to me, he said, I have Lyme, I have Epstein bar. And I'm like, talk to Ava. Yeah.

That was a big part of my journey. And so I I asked him, like, oh, like, how does this? I'm like, it's just best to be curious and ask them some questions, I've fine. I'm like, how does this rife machine detox? He's like, oh, the frequencies explode the heavy metal and it is flushed from your body.

These are the things that drive me nuts because these are the things that get started in alternative medicine that are just it's just crap. I I I don't even know where some of these things start, right? And it's like, but they don't go away. Yeah, and people get deceived by them. I was, right? I mean, I'm not being critical here.

So it gets elevated when you have all these heavy metals and have the cellular inflammation because doesn't the heavy metals replace other minerals so you become deficient?

Yep, it it it does. It replaces where minerals go. But the fact is, is my body shut down getting rid of them. So I I saw this w odd, you know, uh elevation. Yeah. Right. So then I I asked him the question, where do you think I got it? First question, this is an endocrineist. You know what he said? Well, do you have any dental work done around the time this came? Good job. Is he still around? Two silver fillings removed, and it was days later that just fatigue started.

I learned it from you and and just different uh, you know, I've I've learned so much from you, but what you said why so much.

Why thyroid is just exploded in the last 10 years.

Well, it goes with the other thing you asked about the thyroid, the canary in the coal mine. It's one of the most sensitive glands. It's usually the first to be affected by neurotoxins. Bang. So it's the first to go, which makes sense, right, guys, because it's stored in the pituitary when these exposures cross the blood-brain barrier, right?

And the pituitary controls your thyroid and your adrenals.

And your hormones.

And all, yeah.

Yeah, all of it. And everybody thinks that's the issue, right? But it is a symptom of dysfunction and of an interference there. And so then you're getting all these symptoms, which are incredibly common. I I look at all of my friends, every single one, not every single one, a lot, typically have uh paleness, constipation. That's a big one. Uh just like puffiness, cold, uh, cold extremities, low body temperature.

That's when we say bucket, it accumulates, and then the one day the bucket overflows of toxins, and that's when all the symptoms start. Do you know the analogy? Uh, because you she's so young, so this is kind of this might be funny. I don't know. Um, the analogy of what do you know how old canary in a coma?

Because I don't know how old you are.

Yeah, we can't proved it. Uh, you know, I'm gonna say 24.

Yeah, I'm 24. Good job. I'm age. Wait, we're we're soon. I know, I'm sorry. Well, I thought you were younger than you were, which is a good thing.

Yeah, that's that is that's a good thing. Okay, canary in the coal mine, though. This will date you. What's it mean? What's the analogy?

Um feel uninformed. Uh canary in the coal mines. I've noticed.

Okay, no one her age group probably knows this, but literally, they used to bring canaries. Real birds. Okay, now you're triggering it. They would bring them into the coal mines and they were sensitive. Yeah, they were so sensitive to toxins, literally, gases, and that the canary would die. The miners had time to get out. And now we have a sophisticated equipment that you know detects these things. But you know, that can miners would die all the time.

You'd think it is. Can you debunk? This is something I've heard, and I've had just my my even who is it? Somebody one of my friends reached out and asked a question that people have been saying, and I've seen this with different, I don't even want to say experts because I don't think they're experts, they're just on Instagram. But they're saying that minerals will detox heavy metals. Why does that not?

Well, well, here it's not that simple. A mineral can replace so heavy metals can come in and replace a mineral. Okay. Like there's an exchange. But the problem is it it can be the opposite. You could take minerals and then knock off a heavy metal, but the problem is someone who's really heavy metal toxic, they don't have the ability to get rid of them. So it creates more redistribution. So a lot of people take minerals and actually get symptoms.

But even scientifically, if we look at how where it's stored and how it's removed from the body, if anybody actually dug into that, and I know Andy Cutler is somebody that I like, yeah. I give him credit.

I give him credit for understanding half-life. Yeah, he was a PhD, right? So he wasn't really a treating doctor, but um, he spoke at many of my early seminars about people taking chelators, you know, incorrectly, doing IV, for example, taking uh some chelators once a day, twice a day, you have to take them within their half-life. So I always give Andy credit there.

And it's not common knowledge, but like what I was gonna say with what you're talking about, if anybody got into some of this basic science on how chelators work, how binders work, and where these exposures are stored, they would know that the minerals in the foot bath and all this stuff doesn't work, but it's not no talked about.

Yeah, I always say that uh scientists, um, I enjoy my I was with literally three scientists yesterday, right?

Yeah.

And um I always enjoy my conversation more there. They get it more than doctors. Alternative medicine that seems like the same things perpetuate. Yeah. It's kind of like what happens in government. Fat's bad, and it's just yeah, you know, government it's fat's still bad. Well, the same thing happens in alternative medicine, especially with detox. But, you know, scientists get the fact that it's not that simple to do that. And I want to point something out.

For sure.

Yeah, because you most chelators, even taken correctly, it still doesn't solve the problem that's happening in the cell. You were so broken of what was happening in your cells. Of course you weren't methylay. Yeah, of course you had massive inflammation, your hormones weren't working in this and that. But we had to fix all of those detox pathways. Once that gets fixed, now, and we get upstream to the source, now we can get someone well. And that's how you got your life back.

And that was even encouraging to be one of my good friends just took the test, and she ended up going to Cleveland Clinic and was diagnosed with dysotonomia and all these other conditions, and she actually hasn't gotten to the cellular side of things yet. And so it's kind of hard, I'd say, seeing somebody that you know you can help uh go through this journey of just like being told different things by doctors.

I was the same.

Anything. And so think about it like this. If we have a bullet wound, right, what is the first thing that we need to do to actually help healing? Remove the bullet.

Remove the bullet. Yeah, remove the bullet. Then, you know, then you deal with pathogens, right?

Then you deal with think about it. Like we're almost going to a bullet wound, and here's some stem cells, here's some ozone, here it's still gonna get immediately.

Let me give you antibiotics because we see pathogens occurring. Let me kill the pathogens. Well, wait, the bullet's still there.

Yeah, nobody's removing it. And so you will struggle to get better and to get the results that you're looking for. And I I just I'll think of the saddest part about this is I thought I was getting to the root cause, like many other people, and I wasn't.

Yeah. I think I think that's a great place to stop because we left it in my favorite place, right? You if you get to the cause, God designed our bodies to heal. But that's forgotten today, even in alternative medicine. And that's irritating. Yeah. It really is. And that's why so many people are looking, you know, and looking and trying and trying and trying and spending a lot of money, a lot of money, because they're not getting to the cause.

When you're in a desperate spot, you're in a low moment, you're vulnerable, you're confused, you're overwhelmed, you're sick, you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. And so I just I'd say pray about it. And I mean really truly it uh your body, you're not broken. If you are still sick, there is a reason you're still sick. If you remove these interferences, I mean, even people who don't believe in God, like do you believe in the innate intelligence?

Yeah, the very intelligence that has the ability to heal that cut or the broken arm can heal whatever they're dealing with.

And that's empowering.

Yeah, I you know, you took my last thunder because I was gonna say, tell them something to inspire. You just did it. So uh yeah, no.

Let me think of something else. No, for the thing.

I mean, honestly, but what you just spoke were very wise words that I I hope alternative practitioners watching this actually really grasp that because it's true. The very power that made the body heals the body, and it's in there to remove the interference and the body will heal. If something's not healing, there's an interference.

And if you ask the average person, do they believe in innate intelligence, or ask them if their body's gonna heal when they get a cut, it's always yes. Yeah. So why do we think we need all these supplements? Yeah, right? It's a little bit of a paradigm shift, and there's just a little bit of a disconnect there. And you are doing so much work and just coming mainstream to connect these dots, really, to save people time, energy, resources, and get them alive.

Your story uh helps because people need the stories, especially so many people your age group now are sick, which was never the case in my age group.

We're the first are what would you say?

You're the first generation not to outlive their parents. That's a scary thought. That's really bad. Your generation, you and my son's generation, first generation not to outlive their parents. So, yeah, so of course, like my listen, my parents' generation, they really didn't start developing symptoms, diseases until their 50s and 60s. That's the truth. Your generation, 20s and 30s.

I can't think of one friend, and I'm 24. I can't think of one of my friends, one of my girlfriends, who doesn't have some type of chronic health issue.

Yeah, that's scary. That's terrible. It's become unfortunately normal. It's c you know, it's not normal. It's common, but it's not normal, but it's becoming a normal I hear the conversations. And people are choosing, you know, to live their life like that when it doesn't have to be. So please like and share this. So many people need to hear that story. Uh and it's going to not only give them hope, but I believe is going to give them answers.

Thank you so much for having me. It was an honor.