Root Canal Scam: The Silent Jawbone Infection That Keeps You Sick with Dr. Ben & Shawn Javid

People don't realize that dentists are one of the sickest people. I've been a dentist for 30 years. You were the first guy that we met that really understood that if you have toxicity from neural cavity, I can't detox you.

Your teeth literally are neurologically connected to parts of your body. Wait, if there's an infection in the mouth, it could be dangerous. It could leak your heart and you could die. 80% of chronic disease starts in the mouth. Amalgam fillings are the silver fillings that contain 50% mercury. A lot of people don't know that. And the ADA, the protective body, the American Dental Association would say, Oh, it's fine. The mercury doesn't come out at safe.

Two states have banned fluoride. Something that you're putting in your body should not at all have any level of toxicity at any amount. Do you believe a root canal could be done today?

I can't wait to do this podcast. Smile body. Okay, these are the dentists that we absolutely love. I can tell you this, you're gonna learn a lot about dentistry today. Now it that sounds so boring, doesn't it?

Okay, well, it's it's yeah, I mean the thing is it's more about the whole body health and the gateway to how the mouth is the gateway, right?

That's right. Here's where I would start. Could your headaches, could your fatigue, could your bizarre symptoms, your gut problems, your anxiety, your sleep problems, could that all be linked to your mouth? Absolutely. Exactly. That's what this show is how we just started. That's what this show's about, right here. Yeah, you talk about it all the time. Absolutely. And the answer is yes. Yeah. Okay, we're gonna peel that apart.

You know, I have to tell you, I always talk about the fact that you were the first guy that we met that really understood that if you have toxicity brewing from the oral cavity, I can't detox you. You always talked about this, so I kind of resonated with you about it. I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, you know, if if there's toxicity coming from the oral cavity, you can't do what you want to do. So functional doctors can't do what they want to do.

So you know, you you learn things you learn things in life, right? Through stories and things that happen. And when I was taking on clients myself, very sick and challenged people, I remember reading about these infections, hidden infections in people's mouths that they didn't know were there, no pain, no symptoms. And when they would get these this cleared up, they would gain their life back.

Well, you know, it's it's our the human body is amazing, and our natural ability to heal is actually inherent, right? But unfortunately, we messed it up. Yeah, the as a society and as as dentists, we have messed it up. We've put in so much toxins in the body for the sake of technology, uh for the sake of convenience, for the sake of saving the tooth. Um and we're we're for the sake of saving the tooth, we're disrupting the system of the body in so many different levels.

It is. Uh yeah, I mean that's what's great about you guys. You keep evolving. All right, we're gonna peel all that back because you just you just have those watching it. No, because so much does it it's estimated, okay, that 80-some percent. I've heard 82, I've heard 84, 86, 80-some percent of chronic disease starts in the mouth. Okay, now many years ago I'd be like, what are they talking about? I don't even understand such a thing. Okay, it's real, it's true.

Anesthesiologists are number one.

Anesthesiologists, why is that?

I don't know. But if you think about the dentistry, it's obvious because it's all the heavy metal toxicity. Think about the neurological disorders, yeah, right? You know, personally, the amount of toxicity that we're burdened with in the world of dentistry constantly with the fumes going on, not just mercury, yeah, like all those toxic fumes that were just constantly around. Uh it's it's it's building and building this load, yeah, a burden on the body, neurologically, physically, sick.

Well, in and then I this is another stat. Uh tell me if it's true. Women working in dental office is number one in fertility. Uh number one infertility. I I mean I link that directly to Mercury uh vapor. Yeah. Yeah.

So I mean I always talk about dentistry just once you get you functional. And if you don't have pain, you're doing great. The problem is that they aren't looking at materials. What kind of toxins are you introducing into the mouth and how are you removing toxins out of the mouth? That that's the issue from dentistry.

No doubt.

That's a great question. I mean, to be honest with you, I was uh in high school and I had no idea what I was gonna do. I was uh kind of stressed out. I'm like, what am I gonna do? You know, and and I I loved my dentist at the time. I used to go to he was a family friend, Dr. Ron. Yeah, and um I I would go there to the you know to my dentist, and he was a great guy, great personality, love his he had a small little office, and I got my Mercury feelings with him when I had Mercury.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had my story there too.

Yeah, sitting there and I'm like, you know what? One day I was 17 years old or 16, something around there. I'm like, you know what? I can I think I can do this. I love this. He's his own boss, great guy. People love him. I know he was a dentist and people loved him. It was kind of weird. And you know, I'm like, I think I can do this.

They're scary, aren't they? Yeah, I mean, the the bead brothers, oh they look really scary.

And I'm like, you know what? I I think I'm gonna be I want to be a dentist. So I asked him, I'm like, you know, do you mind if I uh can watch you and come and volunteer and kind of uh see how it is? He goes, sure. So I went to his office and I sat down and would assist him and kind of suction and kind of see what he was doing. And I'm like, no, I think I like this, I want to do this. So I kind of asked him to write me a letter of recommendation of what I was doing.

So it's it's funny you said that because that was my story, right? I my neighbor, my best friends growing up, we grew up on the same street and you know, did everything together. Their father was a dentist, Dr. Soster. And I was like, man, I I loved the lifestyle he lived, right? He would go hunting all the time, he had his own business, and he's making people healthier, you know. Like, I could do that. Like I was good with my hands, frankly. So I knew that I could be a really good dentist.

Well, you know, I had the benefit of uh Sean being my older brother uh and get exposure through him. But but what happened was in high school.

So wait, back up. Did you guys have a great relationship growing up? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because we were seven years apart, yeah. I was kind of like his dad almost.

Yeah, that that's a good number of years. If it was one year apart, you might be competitive. Yeah, exactly.

You know, growing up, I mean, I was kind of like taking care of him a lot, right?

And then so when I was taught me to ride my bike, he taught me taught me about girls, how to dress, you know, all that kind of stuff. It was him, it wasn't my dad.

So we have you to blame for all these things.

Let me tell you what happened. There's an interesting story. So when I was in high school, I took an anatomy course and I was like blown away. I'm like, what oh my god, this is amazing how the human body works. I want to be a doctor. That's really probably more well how I ended up wanting to be a doctor. Yeah, this is where I'm meant to be, you know. Like I was, you know, I did all right in school. I aced that class, like by far, it was easy for me. Came easy, I loved it.

I was in my residency. Yeah.

He's like, no, no, you shouldn't do that. Yeah, I'm like, wait, what do you mean? I I love it. He's like, you know what? You're you're an artist. I like to draw and paint and all that kind of stuff. He's like, you're good with your hands, you know. You yes, you love that the sciences, you'll be a great dentist because you he you're gonna be really this is gonna come so easy to you dentist.

And he's like, No, he's like, I'm not gonna be a dentist.

I'm not he's like, let's just just come come to my school a little bit, check it out, go to start. I'm like, okay, fine. So then I went and checked it out and I started volunteering at UCLA for a while, and like, you know, checking it out, and it did resonate with me because it kind of combined both the sciences and the like the physiology. I bec I became a physiology uh major at UCLA.

They don't tell you this about dental school. Unfortunately, people get there and you're not good with your hands, or you're stuck. Yeah. So we were we were lucky because our dad was an artist, and so we it was easy for us.

He's not a dentist, a lot of people ask, yeah, yeah, exactly.

So dental school came really easy for us because we were just artistic.

Yeah, that's why I'm like yeah, the the best uh Dr. Jerry Kirtola, uh, he was an artist and he was a sculptor at one point, and yeah, so there there's obviously that, right? To be a really good dentist, yeah. And then, but you have to be good with people too. Yes, you know, I I think that's any doctor. I I mean, at least if you're you know, and dealing with the public, and you have to run a small business, you know.

You know, that's no joke, too. I mean, you're like, listen, you're running a small business. Oh my gosh, right? So you have to understand like when I when I when we started it actually 20 years ago, uh, we started our original practice together uh 21 years ago now. And um I was a kid, you know, I was like 25, 27 years old. And then um, and I'm like, you know, how am I gonna be running a team? I don't know anything about it.

And I was going myself at that time for nine years by the time he came in, and then we started practicing together, and um and you know, dentistry, and that's why the suicide rate was so high. People would ask us it was because dentists have to wear so many different hats. And they don't mention the mercury touchdown. Yeah, exactly. There's that too.

There's the mad hatters.

They don't they don't teach you this, you know. You just come, you're a doctor, and that's a lot, yeah.

And by the way, chiropractic, other medical professions are very similar, right? It's like, yeah, it's like they they don't teach you anything, and here you are just trying to uh put it together yourself, and uh and it it doesn't end well a lot of times.

Oh, no, but we were lucky. We both in dental school uh we being went to the same school at different times, and we both just flourished there uh at the times we were there, and we both came out like very, very confident in what we're we're doing and who we are, and not knowing that we didn't know anything. We thought we knew everything. Oh, yeah. Coming out of dental school, both of us separately were very confident, thinking like we're the best, you know.

Yeah, we learned in dental school, we do everything completely different in the end.

Uh everything. And we got extra training in doing like we we would we got advanced training in general dentistry. So we started doing um full mouth reconstruction surgeries that were every mouth, every tooth had to be restored. And we I from a young age, we just didn't residency.

Uh I I was doing surgeries all the time, uh, I was advanced root canals all the time. Yeah, I mean, anything you can think of, I would do. We pushed on the I love dentistry so much, you know. And I I sat down, I did it exactly the way they told us to do it.

Yeah, and at this point, you had no idea any of it was bad. No, of course not. No idea.

We just came out of school. So school, they the you our professors are, you know, they they're like, oh wow. You know, they they taught us everything about, like I said, root canals and and how to do them perfectly to the tip of the apex.

And you were taught all root canals are safe, they're good, as long as you do them right. Yeah, what's your amalgam fillings are safe, right? No problem. Just take out uh wisdom teeth, no, no issue, potential once the teeth are gone, right? I mean, this is what you're taught. And would you say most dentists believe that still, right? Oh 99%, 9.99 percent. 9.99% of dentists still believe all the mercury fillings.

Okay.

We've made some shifts 20 years ago. Yeah, but uh that's a great question.

So very little even with that, too.

Yeah, right. So what percent of dentists do you think go, yeah, amalgam fillings are bad. Depends on country. Okay.

You know, I think California, more West Coast, they're gonna be more, it's bad. And the East Coast, actually, our friend Jigger, he's there. He's like, yeah, he he's one of our dentists in New York. Great Jigger, great guy. Um, and he he like he even said he, I don't really post that I'm smart certified that much. I'm like, what what do you mean? We were just hanging out at that certificate, that course I was just telling you about. Uh he was there too with uh Dr. Simon Yu.

And then on the West Coast, I would say overall, most of the dentists in the country, they don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Wow, that's amazing. And yet it is so I it's been out there so long, so many years now. It's almost funny that these fillings do leach mercury vapor. You know, the vape folks, the vapor of this mercury comes off of those fillings, crosses the blood-brain barrier. It's part of my story, it's part of my perfect storm, how I got sick.

I'm I'm like you, yeah. You know, I I went through my whole illness, I had I got sick from that. So what happens is that when with when it's in your mouth, it's releasing vapes all the time. Hot and cold chewing on it, right? When VMFs come in, uh huh.

Now when you're holding a phone to the ear, okay, or you know, whatever, even here, here, we know now that that it's signal, you become a human antenna with that metal in your mouth. Yeah, yeah. And more mercury is released. More mercury's release, and you more radiation because it's conducting into you. So this is this is a new problem.

And not to mention, again, you were talking about how many dentists know. Think about it. In Russia, um these amalgam mercury fillings were actually uh outlawed in the 70s. Yeah.

720.

Late say and then in the in in Europe, many countries have banned it. I think actually 2025, all of Europe has banned it. So it's not like yeah, unheard of. I mean, why the US is still, but you can't we can't let it go down the drain. Right. That that is a regulation.

It's not allowed to see that that was some of the one of the things that always irks me, is is that okay, so OSHA, which is again our protective body, right? It's like, you know, and they would say on the dental tray, it's considered a class three toxicant, right? I mean, this is hazardous waste. Hazardous waste. It's considered hazardous waste on that dental tray. The moment it goes in your mouth, they call it safe. It's fine. The moment it comes out again, back. Now it's hazardous waste again.

It has to go in a special trap.

Yeah, it has to go in a special trap because they know the dangers of this filling. Right. And yet I argue it's safer on the damn dental tray than it is in our mouth because we have an acidic environment with chewing, you know. Look, anybody out there can Google for fun the smoking tooth video, right? That's a 25-year-old filling. And I say that because the the ADA's argument at one point was, oh, they're too old, or you know, it's don't worry about these old fillings.

That's going into the brain. You know, when you drill on mercury, 3,000 microns per minute come off. Yeah. Odorless, tasteless, right? Yeah. It touches your skin and hair, it gets absorbed into your body. That's right. People don't realize it. That's right. That's how I got sick. That's how I got sick. Yeah. I had my own journey. Yeah. And you've helped me.

Yes. You know, because how much of that went in your brain a lot.

Imagine I've been the dentist for 30 years. Yeah. And the first half of my career before I was a biodentist, I was taking on mercury fillings all day long. Just drilling on them, exposing my patients. Yeah, exposing my patients, exposing myself all day long. Yeah. Right? And I had no idea. Like you said.

Did you ever feel suicidal? I mean, you know, I mean, because this the I noticed But you got sick. But I got sick. Yeah.

I got in 2016 I got really ill, you know, from uh just toxicity.

You know, I felt suicidal. I mean, meaning that I I can't say I ever planned it, but I definitely wanted to die. My wife was worried about me. You know, one of the classic signs of mercury is the psychosis that goes with it, right? You lose it. And then the unexplainable anger had it all. Yeah. You know, I mean, just weird, weird symptoms, even like this, you know, weird thing like that happens with your the heart pain. It feels like angina, but it's not.

Or mall imbalances.

I mean, hormone imbalances like crazy. Thyroid issues, thyroid issues like crazy because it goes right for those receptors.

One what we want to uh make sure to always have the message out there is that please don't go and just take out your a lot of times people listen to this. So important. I'm gonna go take out your mercury. So important. Oh, it's bad for you. I'm gonna go take it out. And I always want to follow that up. And I've done, you know, you've done videos.

But by the way, that's what sent my bucket overflowing. Yeah, of course. Yeah, right. I I was accumulating mercury from the time I was a kid. I you I always quote the Drash study, which is a German study. Moms, the number of silver fillings in mom's mouth is proportional to how much mercury they found in the baby's brain. That's on autopsies, right? So that's where it starts. So my mercury was accumulating because my mother had fillings, and then I got two fillings out.

Absolutely.

And so that's what happened. Dr. He drilled them out, and I it was that overflowed the bucket. I got sick.

And um, so please out there, anyone listening to this, do not go take out your mooker. Um you have leave them in until you do it the right way.

Absolutely. I and these guys tell them where you're at and where they can find you. Go ahead and do that now because they're good. People are writing notes on it.

Well, uh we're in LA area. We're in the LA area. You can find us at uh my our practice name is SmallBody Small Body. But our our handle on social media is my small body, our website is mysmallbody.com. Um but again, you have to do it the right way. Yeah.

Uh and of course and so many patients come in, and then I talk when I talk about you, actually, they're like, Oh, Dr. Sean, don't worry about it. Uh, I took out the mercury phones a long time ago. I'm like, oh my god, that's actually a lot worse. Yeah. They're like, What do you mean? I'm like, you got exposed. Yeah. And these are some of these symptoms that you're having, it's probably from the mercury.

It's ridiculous. Yeah, or or they just do a regular urine test, or they do a hair test, all of which is useless. But the fact is, is to the point, many people watching this have had their fillings out. What they don't realize is that that mercury vapor crossed into the brain, and that mercury is locked there longer than they live. I mean, the half-life's longer than they live.

I like what you do because it's incredible. I mean, I have so many patients come to us that they've been seeing you, and we're trying to assess their oral cavity, and they're like, I feel so much better. Yeah, being got their lives changed. So, and then by the time they get into the brain phase, they're always saying, Oh my god, I'm feeling so much better. So, thank you for what you do.

Because it's there, but I you know, I we need a we need more dentists around the country doing this work, right?

You know, one of the things on the brighter note, I mean, we're talking about some of this dark side of dentistry, but but the brighter note is there's so much positive momentum happening right now. I mean, you feel it every day right now with Bobby and uh and what we're seeing is there is a shift. Um now two states have banned fluoride. That's amazing.

Utah the first, right here.

Utah, yeah, exactly. Utah and Florida. Yeah. And so now, so now Utah and then now Florida. So that's gonna keep going. That's not gonna stop. Mercury amalgam is next, I guarantee you. And we're part of actually see on on the other side of things, we're working with biological dentists actually internationally uh on creating a certain standard.

I who else is so behind in these things, just like the food dies, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, all of it, and but dentistry is way behind. I mean like you said, um, these amalgam fillings uh are banned in most countries in the world, right? Yeah, and and then here, of course, we don't want to put them in pregnant women or children. Well, children they put them in.

What's they do it, they do it for everyone.

Yeah, they do it for every women. But isn't there like at least some warnings about that? No, nothing, no warning at all. Nothing. That's amazing to me. It's crazy. Yeah, they can go. And they'll tell women not to eat fish, but amalgam is way higher amount the amount of mercury than any fish exposure.

I just told you 3,000 microns per minute comes off. That's a huge amount.

Yeah, I mean it's like eating tons of tuna. I mean, come on.

So so the good again, my I'm always very optimistic, you know me well. Um I'm always like looking at the bright side, and so I'm super excited about this next chapter of wellness. And because you know, you've been on this mission for quite a while. And and for us, you know, w one of our biggest admish uh admirations right now uh uh uh is really changing how healthcare is being done.

Did she know she had an infection there?

Or was that after you looked at Conebe? Um she had been told here and there, but no one had made a big deal with it. Okay, okay, got it and and she was scared to to do the surgeries. Okay. So I in what you know, we work with meridians, okay? Meridians, if most people don't know, are uh the natural energy lines in the body.

Every tooth has a nerve meridian, like a tract to different parts of the body, right? This like this tooth could literally be nerve meridian to like the right knee, this one the left, you know, etc. etc. The liver, kidney, yeah. They so meaning that your teeth literally are neurologically connected to parts of your body.

We actually go over that in a smile body with every new patient that comes. We go over all the meridians on which tooth is connected to which organ. Very critical.

So she had okay, so infection I said down back here, the back molar region. That's on the meridian of the heart. Okay. So she had heart palpitations for 20 years, debilitated. She could not even function anymore. She found you, she went to the POPA program. So now she was doing better, right? She was doing better, but still having the heart palpitations. So you sent her to us. We did this assessment. We sit down, we had a heart-to-heart conversation about this.

Oh overlooked. You know, when I people get that, like they get this hidden infection out. And again, I want to press this further. Most people have no pain, no acknowledgement ever. Or they go to their dentists, it's fine. They don't know that these cavitations exist. Literally, it it's where typically these are where teeth have been removed in the past, like a wisdom tooth.

Everybody knows really what would be cavitation. We you're bringing awareness, it's really critical. We talk about it all the time. Most people, when you say cavitation, they're like, what cavity?

Yeah, cavitate. Yeah, it's not a cavity. It's not this is an infection in the jaw. But let me finish this point though, right? Because people don't know they're there. But you know, these things are number one releasing toxins into the bloodstream 24-7. It drives a lot of autoimmune. And then this nerve meridian. So when people get this immediate change. So a friend of mine, I sent him to Dr. Jerry in New York, right? He had 21 years of debilitating liver pain.

Wow.

My liver pain's gone. Yeah. Is you know, is is that it is that just crazy? Is it gonna last? I said, I don't know, we'll find out. Okay, that was like nine years ago. Okay, so still no pain. But the point was, is when I hear that word clears immediately, that was that nerve meridian thing, right? You know what I'm saying? Because we didn't clear the toxins out of them yet, but that nerve meridian was broken, and he had instantly.

You know, this is this is interesting. This point you you just made right now. Um, in our office, you know, when we doing when we're doing surgeries, we like to make sure the patient is really comfortable. So we do a light, some kind of some kind of sedation for them, you know, pillow form sedation, other kind of sedation. Do you guys experience you know, a lot of people avoided this this procedures because of the anxiety as well? Yeah, they're they're afraid of dentists, yeah.

I I don't want to get too far down a rabbit trail here, but uh good old Hal Huggins, he was yeah, he was the father of uh biological dentistry, if you will, right? Lost his license, you know, criticized all the time. But he said that you couldn't cross the midline because of these nerve meridians, neurologically don't do work here and then over here at the same time, even remove amalgam fillings. But when they would sedate people, you could cross the midline.

I I mean we do I mean, in a small body now, we have all forms of sedation. We have gener we have seven anesthesiologists, we have oral sedation, which everyone's sedated.

Yeah, I would say what, 80% of the patients are is your whole office sedated, like we're everyone's just laying around. Yeah. We're just very relaxed. We're very relaxed people. Everybody's sedated. Everyone's very relaxed. I don't know. What happened to Mary? Oh, she's sedated.

He's a pill for you, he's a pill for you.

We can't get our staff doing anything because they keep sniffing the sedation.

Yeah, no, but but your point. You know, we always tell patients sometimes, you know, we we our patients are anti-medicine that come to us, you know. They're they're trying to avoid prescriptions with for good reason. And we are too. We're we're we're we're avoiding prescriptions. But what I tell my patients when they have a little uh you know, anxiety about doing sedation, you know, in general, they have anxiety, but they have more anxiety about doing sedation.

I'm I'm I'm not even feeling it. Well, I exact and that's what I've seen. That's why I'm a fan of it. And by the way, I I at some point I do want to give you a chance. You you should see their office. I mean, you do have probably the most high-tech dental office. I everyone I send their comments, like, oh my gosh, I mean, you have a hyperbaric chamber, you have ozone, you have everything, red light therapy. I you name the biohack for healing and recovery. Y'all have it and do it.

And I don't blame the dentist, honestly, because they only know what they know. Only thing I can blame this is. Good point. Good point. Uh they're not doing it's not malice, you know. And listen, we were that dentist. You know, I'm not, I don't want to vilify dentists, you know what, because you only know what you know. But at the same time, the only thing I can say about dentists is that you have to be keep growing.

Question them, right? I mean, come on, question your governing body for goodness sakes, you know, anything.

They're doing the same thing over and over again.

They they told you amalgam was safe. The rest of the world's banning it. Come on, maybe it's not, right? Let's talk about fluoride. Okay, so two states, right? I mean, we're hoping that this gets banned across the US, right? I mean, this is absurd because happened. I mean, fluoride, literally, I it's like you know, talk about you know practicing medicine without a license, or not practicing medicine consent, no with no consent to give me something that potentially could harm me in the water.

You're getting around it.

That's how it's getting banned because they're putting a medication in the water in the water. Now, here's the problem that I have. They used to say you could probably maybe 11.2, you know, uh nanograms or um something per liter of water was safe. You know, whatever the number. I don't remember the exact number. And then I watched it go from that to this, to this, to this. I mean, just in the last 20 years, it keeps getting less. Why?

Why would you put physiology is different?

Why would you put something that has a skull and X marks, you know, that on it? Yeah, like you know, literally in the water, in the tooth something that you're putting in your body should not at all be any top have any level of toxicity at any amount.

So Bobby Kennedy's position is hey, look, you know, we can't should stop putting it in the water because of the studies. Another study just this past August showed like even more disturbing results, you know, with IQ, uh I mean just dropping IQ in children. Uh obviously, you know, many other studies, bone cancer and boys, etc. You guys can talk more about it. But okay, so we see this massive drop.

I mean, I think why and have it in water.

Informed consent. I mean, you have you have to know, you have to be able to choose whether with any medicine, any medicine that you're putting in your body, absolutely you have to have choice in choice. You shouldn't nothing should be mandatory, any medication, any medicine.

So what what about there's dentists that are gonna say because they're gonna say, yes, but it works, it ba it it prevents cavities, and the studies show that. What do you say about that?

Better weights. The thing is that what we talk about small body is that we don't use fluorides on teeth, okay, because like you said, the effect is so minimal. In instead, we talk about micronutrients because now everyone's micronutrient deficient, right? We all are, right? So what happens is if you have any the right micronutrients to pull calcium into your teeth properly, you're not gonna get cavities. That's right. So no one taught no one talks about that.

But what about the the deficiency in fat-soluble vitamins? Meaning if you don't have normal K2 levels, which people don't because you get it from grass-fed, yeah, you know, fatty foods and things, people don't eat that, right? So they lack K2 and you need K2 to move calcium into the bones, which is to teeth.

I mean, to your point, give it point off for that.

I mean, at this point, we have to change how we think about health care and medicine altogether, right? This concept of fluoride putting something on your teeth or in from the externally to make it better, that that's thinking backwards. What we believe uh in biological energy, holistic medicine, integrative medicine, is that first of all, you have to get healthy from within. Yeah, bring balance from within. Unhealthy people get cavities.

Yes. How many people do you know that have been coming to the dentist and they've been putting fluoride on the teeth for how many years now? And they still have cavities.

Yeah, they're doing fluoride, they're brushing in the floss. But this this principle of fluoride, brush, floss, and you'll be okay. But that doesn't work because what what it is, it's you have to go look deeper. Look at Weston A. Price's research. Just gonna bring it up. So Weston A price, uh, for the people that don't know, uh, this is something I bring up every day. His I have a few books that are in my reception area. His his is one of them, because there's a these are the basic.

They didn't have to get their wheels. And I witnessed this myself in Africa. I I was introduced to a tribe that recently just came out of the mountain because of drought. And you know, I was like the first white person they ever saw. But what I saw was extraordinary children with perfect teeth. Yeah, really. And they didn't have cavities. They didn't matter in fact, they didn't have a name for cancer, it didn't exist, heart disease didn't exist, disease.

So yeah. So what he when he saw this, you know, he's like, This is amazing. What are they doing? They're just living their lives without the westernized system. So what happened was then the westernized system was introduced to these same villages, and he would go back and visit with them and then cross all what he saw.

So what what are the po I mean? Talk about a little bit of the poisoning effects of fluoride, right? You know, I mean, um it it's not what people think. I mean, we're just kind of throwing it out there that's bad. But why is it bad?

Well it's a neurotoxin, right?

Yeah, I mean, and there's so many, so many things. I mean, so many studies I talked about about IQ. I mean, is your I I was on a pod podcast and they're like, what fluoride's bad? I'm like, well, do you like your IQ? I mean, yeah. Is this important for you? It's not our opinion, it's it's fact. It's not opinion. It's not opinion. So I mean, the research is there. It it's not it's not a conspiracy theory at this point.

We just talked about the better ways, but it it makes it it makes the teeth harder but more fragile, almost glass-like.

I mean, the thing is, but and the problem is, Dan, is you're getting it on so many different levels in everything now, like you said, in toothpaste and water and different sources. I mean it's like over fluorosis, you know, for what? Like I said, we don't need it. Yeah you know, if you do it in a healthy fashion and get in your micronutrients and upregulate that properly to pull calcium in, you're fine.

There is there were studies done that the way this came about, there were studies done that said that you know, you can prove that topically, topically, fluoride can strengthen with cavities, topically.

That's why Bobby's approach is if you want it in your toothpaste, great. You know, I personally wouldn't because I don't want my kids swallowing it. It's a toxic. Why would you put something that you can't swallow in your toothpaste?

Yeah, exactly. But but but so there is that, but there is no advantage. Even in dental school, they taught us this. Even in dental school they taught us this that you can ingesting fluoride has no benefit to in dental school. I learned this. Wow. So that's shocking. Yeah. Yeah. So this the and and so so it they only it was about topical, but even then, like there's alternatives, you know, there's the hydroxyapatite, which is an interesting conversation to talk about.

Health comes from within. You know, it's like right. It's if you're if your child's getting cavities, uh, there's some nutrient problems, there's some other toxic issues. The other thing about fluoride that, you know, you mentioned thyroid cases, just like chlorine, it's this is a halogen type of chemical fluoride that has an affinity for thyroid thyroid receptors. And that's why it really does cause thyroid disease. And again, and we're ingesting this.

And people have Hashimoto's.

And the rates are going up, and we're putting this in the water. You know, I mean, by the way, I you know, the history of this is a little sinister. I I mean, it I Grand Rapids, Michigan, I think is where it all started actually in the 1940s, if I'm if I'm not mistaken. But it was for um yeah, and uh they literally, you know, did just crazy study uh, you know, that showed, oh, you know, that it prevented tooth decay.

Yeah, this is I don't get it. Well, I really don't get it. That's why that that that literally is the story. Yeah, I'm glad you shared that. I was uh it's literally a story of how do we get rid of this stuff? Yeah. And it was like, hey, if this study says it's good for your teeth, let's just put it in the water.

Yeah, that's it. And that's where we are now. Yeah, and and we've been dropping the levels ever since because uh whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops. It's okay, we need to ban this stuff. So uh we're I think we're there. Okay, I I told you we were gonna peel apart all these just flaws and dentistry, right? I don't think we have enough. Yeah, exactly. It's like, okay, we went, yeah, mercury. We went through mercury, right? Big problem. Only hunter in the world still calling these silver fillings safe.

That it's that's conservatively.

Yeah, I I would think it is more. I really think we should talk about this a little bit more than cavitate. A lot of most people don't really realize what cavitace are, you know. So, like you said, uh as a surgeon, which would I'm I was doing oral surgery most of my career, right? I I would go back there, they told us pop out the wisdom tooth out, put some stitches, and you're gonna be a chipmunk for a little bit, and you go home and you're gonna heal. And you do, right?

Because it's very difficult to build vertical bone, as we say, right? Means bone to fill the hole.

It's very hard. And then because we're well, one of the reasons is because we're micronutrient deficient at that age. When you're you know in your teens and twenties, that's the pull, the biggest thing. So you're not pulling calcium properly, and it be just becomes a little hole in the jaw, right? Where the wisdom was. And what's in that area? Parasites, bacteria, heavy metals, mercury resides in there. Everything.

And by the way, with new testing, we're able to test. Yeah, not we, you all are able to test um what's in there. You're finding parasites, you're finding deadly anaerobic bacteria, like lists of them. Oh, no wonder people can't fix their gut. No wonder they can't shut down their autoimmune because these guys have a little cave that they hide in from your immune system because of the lack of blood flow.

Well, a lot of times people say, Well, why is it the body can't heal itself? That's right. But here's the thing it's unnatural to be doing this in the first place. That's the point to be pulling the teeth in the first place. Yeah. So your body goes into a state of shock of not knowing what to do in that moment, especially. Man, and then there's two components to this of why this happens. A lot of times patients say, Why, why, why am I getting a cavitation in the first place?

Yeah, because back for a while when this work started to come out, they were just going, oh, we'll kill the bacteria, ozone, we'll kill it, right? But you realize if you don't build bone, you they just keep coming back. It's like there's a cave full of all these nasty animals, right? We go in with the cave and we gas them out. Then we kill them and they run out. Okay, great. Look how clean the cave is. But in a few months the animals just migrate right back.

Actually, in that scenario, now we know it actually can cause problems because uh the the it you what you said it might run out, right? They might move from that space to somewhere else. Exactly. So it actually causes, it could cause problems.

Happen to me somewhere. Happened to me. I went, I had some work done here, and the bacteria went from one space to another space. I had all this inflammation up there. And I I said, Hey, did you do anything up here on this top left? No, I didn't touch that. I'm like, yeah, I didn't think you did. And I had all kinds of they just ran to the next hole. So this has to be done.

So the exciting thing about cavitations is that right now there is actually a lot of research happening. Well, there's a lot of research that's happened past, but there's a there is a um amazing doctor, his name's Sharon Galinari from Germany. He actually is working with Tufts University to do current research on this. Praise God. That is gonna be published more and more right now.

We're not talking about one more thing. We're we talked about meridians, right? So when you have a cavitation and wisdom tooth area, that blocks the meridian that we were just talking about. Right, exactly. And then if that's connected to the heart, the that meridian exactly connects to the heart that we talked about, connects to the adrenal glands, right? So a lot of a lot of people have adrenal gland fatigue. So whenever I bring that up, like, oh my God, that's me right.

You know, my frustration with our sp well, uh maybe my space in uh, you know, functional medicine, alternative medicine. More and more attention is going to this fancy test, SNP test, microbiome test, all these things. I'm an MTHFR homozygous, and they're on all these supplements, all this. It's like, but I yeah, I still don't feel well. I still have this, I still have this gulp problem, I still just don't have energy. Did anyone do a cone beam to see if you have a cavitation?

That's why you know we're we're trying, that's why we're trying to get this message out, then. You know, we're we're you know, I was just speaking with the head of the Naturopath Society for California, where these are the people that are putting the conferences together for the naturopaths, not just the regular MDs that are kind of tunnel vision, sorry, MDs, but the naturopaths are are the ones that are thinking holistically, looking at the whole body. She had no idea about what we're talking.

This we talk about this all the time at the office. That I I when I talk to a patient, I'm like, Dr. Pampa was one of the first people that I that actually I met that says, I cannot detox your body if you do not go get a comb to make sure there's no toxicity down to your mitochondria. So you're not gonna have inflammation. So you can detox as much as you want, but if you're not looking at the oral cavities, not gonna happen. So you're one of the first people.

I mean, it it's like the bathtubs overflowing, causing all this damage upstairs. You know, the water's gushing in, and we're down here trying to get the drains open, right? It's like, no, no, first thing you gotta do is you know, let's shut the water outside. Yeah, exactly. Patels mopping. It's like, wait a minute. Uh, can we just shut the valve off? You know, can we shut the spigot off? Oh, okay.

You know, and that that is what frustrates the hell out of me. It's it's reality.

Uh well, and I'm grateful for you all because you're leading the way on the other side. We need more of you out there, right? We need more of you out there. Let's let's talk about root canals. Um, it it this is the same concept of hidden infection, you don't know they're there. When you take a dead tooth out, what they you know leave behind is all these microtubules that you know fed the tooth. So a root canal is where they take the infected nerve out, right?

I mean, you you mentioned the cone beam CT scan, which is critical. Right. You know, this is how we see these infections.

And a lot of people don't know what a cone beam CT can. Yeah, you might want to say that because this is not a normal x-ray. And and this is the other thing I found. Even if they had a cone beam, the dentist doesn't have the right software, they read them as plain films, and that's a big problem too.

They don't know how to read them, they don't even know how to read them. Dentistry is about two-dimensional x-rays, which is great for cavities. Yeah, right? Absolutely. Want to find a cavity, two-dimensional x-rays. A cone beam, people don't realize if you really want to find hidden infections, like you're talking about cavitations, root canal infections, different kinds of infections that we find, you need a cone beam CT scan. And not on any cone beam CT scan.

Do you believe a root canal could be done safe? Well, here's my thing is is like this. I think there is a place for root canals as far as a temporary solution to get out of pain. Yeah. Okay, I can see that. Or adolescent that we don't want to pull the tooth right now. You know, like we know we have to control the pain, a situation. Uh, it's a great temporary solution as a pain reliever. Yeah. Um knowing that, you know, in short times, it's you you know that it has to come out.

Well, I mean, the thing is that my philosophy is that your immune system cannot regulate that dead organ. That's true. That's the problem. So people don't realize right now, let's say your body right now, all your cells are functioning properly, they're alive, right? And your immune system can regulate it with your blood and meridians, also, right? So when you have a dead structure, which is the only time that throws that meridian off throws off the meridians, so root canals block meridian.

Of course. This is required viewing for any of our patients that before they took it off Netflix. I mean, because it was disturbing to the ADA, right? It's like, but what a story of again. I hear these stories all the time, right? Of people, you know, can't figure out what's wrong. Uh, they have all these symptoms, crazy symptoms. Get a root canal out. Oh my gosh. It's like reconnected to their body. I should have send the link to every new patient. Yeah, that's it. That's smart.

So I took it out. Yeah. It's low-hanging fruit. As far as source of toxicity, you know, if you when you're trying to cleanse your body of any kind of shut off the valve uh of the of the of the water that's coming in, you know, it's low-hanging fruit. So I I think if for patient people that are sick or that are unhealthy, you have to immediately get a cold bean scan.

Absolutely. Everyone should go. We almost make it mandatory in our program. It's like, look, because I'm not playing around. Again, when I tell my doctors this all the time, y'all hear hear me say it. If someone's not getting well, there's something still upstream causing them to be sick. Look here, look in their homes. Right? Like, yeah, homes are another one, right? Hidden mold, hidden VOCs, et cetera, et cetera. But you know, but again, functional medicine is not doing this.

I have to tell you, one of the most important things then at this point of my career, I never tell patients at SmileBody what to do, right? We collaborate, we educate, we give them information to read, and then they tell us what they want to do with their body. So if they like Benjamin, they're the drivers of the bus. If they elect, they say, you know what, I want to get a root canal. We have referrals that we sent. Okay, no problem. We can go get a root canal.

So through the brain hates metal, honestly. All metal. Yeah, it hates metal. Titanium is immunosuppressive and it does form biofilms. I mean, there's issues with it. I refuse to do it, so I put a zircon bridge in because back then, this was a long time ago, we didn't have implant a zircon implant as a choice, but that is a good choice today, correct? And it doesn't block the meridian. Right.

Forget the meridian stays open, so electricity goes through zirconia. So I always tell patients.

And just to be clear, zirconia is more like a ceramic, it's a non-metallic zirconium. It's a lot of zirconial oxide. Yeah, yeah.

Zirconia, yeah. And here, here's the thing. And over oh yes, we again we did probably thousands of titanium implants, and they're not all titanium. It's not, there's more metals in there. Titanium is just the number one by far ingredient as far as what's made up of that implant, but it's not only titanium. So, again, that's contributing to your heavy metal toxicity, meridian blockages, attracting those EMFs that we just talked about.

Yeah. So that's the that that's the key. And this is where dentistry has to go too. It's the future.

Yeah, this is the this is the future. I'll tell you, that all that medical together.

I know. You calculate, you know, we didn't even talk about galvanism. That's when you have two different types of metal in the mouth, like a titanium implant, and you have a crown, and it creates a a literally a battery-like effect, a current that your brain hates. When my gold filling came out and my silver fillings came like literally when that galvanism stopped, so much of my anxiety went away. Yeah, it was like this release. I mean, how many people have opposing metals in the mouth?

I mean, listen, I because uh and they have metals, don't forget, you have that gold, and then they have a mercury filling underneath.

Oh, yeah. So now it's hot, it's in that mercury's pouring out ten times faster than normal mercury going into the brain.

Because they they treat this is what say that's what dentistry has done that. But that's what I was gonna say. Dentistry is about treating the body like the head, yeah, like it's a tabletop. Just hammer it, fix it, and put anything you want in there, and it's fine.

No, well, smile body, right? This is connected to this. I I love your name, I love your concept. Give them your information again.

Let them at my smile body. That's uh the where they can find us. Uh, that's our uh Instagram. Uh and so uh at my smile body, and it's incredible. I mean, honestly, we kind of you you've been there, and we kind of it's a 7,000 square foot center that we put everybody through the healing healing modality all at the same time. You know, your head, your body, IV centers, but you know, biohack equipment. You should see this healing modality.

And we actually ran out of space after it's a separate feet. We ran out of space, yeah. These current technologies, you know, IVs, red light, hyperbaric energy healing, light healing, uh uh oxygen, you know what it is. This is the next chapter. Amazing.

And they do my work too, right? So uh we're gonna make America healthy again, aren't we, gentlemen? We're trying, yeah. Absolutely, it's yeah, effort. Man, uh we could talk on, right? It's like we'll we'll do a part two.

This is our why yeah dentistry, and we're following your path because you're so incredible pushing on the other side. So we're this we're trying to push from from the team amount.

We appreciate it. Yeah, it is a team effort. Can't do it without y'all. So we're changing the world, we're making America healthy again. All right, folks, another amazing episode of Dr. Pompa podcast from pain to purpose. Listen, you need to share this episode because you know how many people are sick unknowingly that's connected to here. They don't know, right? They could have a hidden infection, of course, mercury in the brain, all these things that we discussed. So please like and share.