COVID STARTED THE SEARCH — WHAT SHE FOUND COULD CHANGE HOW YOU VIEW ILLNESS

Infertility is rising 4% a year.

The church, physically and spiritually, is supposed to be a beacon of health. And we are doing great on one end and we are totally dropping the ball on another.

Christians are just as unhealthy, if not more unhealthy, than other religious groups, which is actually true. So therefore, praying over your food is probably the right thing to do to give God thanks. However, it's not protecting you from the food.

We're all put on birth control. And we wonder why we are feeling so crappy as adults, and we're trying to raise our own kids if we can even get pregnant, by the way.

It's like glyphosate is there.

The left really were the founding fathers on all things raw milk, anti-vax. This was never conservative.

Atrazine, it's a chemical that has the potential to make male frogs female. And that is still being allowed on our food. Maybe, just maybe, it's a little controversial because we go political, we talk about Jesus, we talk about the Maha movement, what we like, what we don't like.

Thank you. What an intro.

This interview, we're gonna blow you away on this because we're not afraid to go anywhere. We're gonna go everywhere that matters right now for the health of this country, for humanity, and all that matters, and even our belief in Jesus, right? We'll go there too. I love it all.

This is spicy.

Yeah, absolutely. We're going right after it. Uh, but I have to ask the question pain to purpose, right? I I just, you know, explained you everything I teach today came out of my pain to purpose. I sit here because of my pain, my story. I want to know your story. Someone your age, you know, into the health movement, into the political movement, you know, there had to be a story. I know you had Hashimoto's, but I I need to hear it. I gotta start here. You know, who made Alex Clark, Alex Clark?

Ooh, that's a really good question. You know, I think that I have always been a very curious child, and I always like to know how things work, why they work the way they do. When the pandemic happened, it really rattled me. And I think this is a lot of people's story for who care about health now. Um, pre-pandemic, I grew up in a family that, you know, loved ultra-processed food. I would say most of my meals came from DoorDash or fast food drive-throughs. I didn't know how to cook.

It's anti-freedom to tell people how didn't you feel like the left had it better when it came to food and those things back then?

Yes. What's funny about this entire thing is that the left really were the founding fathers on all things raw milk, anti-vax. This was never conservatives. So, you know, anti-birth control, this was all the left. In fact, Ricky Lake made an incredible documentary on birth control called The Business of Birth Control. She is a staunch liberal feminist, and she made this entire documentary talking about how birth control is poison and preys on women.

So during the pandemic, that that's not a left or a right thing. Well, exactly. A bad thing.

It's just common sense. I mean, that's true women's health, right? So the left and the right, they always argue about what is and isn't women's health. I would say giving women informed consent about hormonal birth control or any other medical product that we're putting in our bodies, that is common sense and we deserve informed consent. And yeah, exactly. That's not political.

Yeah, it seems like both sides would agree with that to me, but no.

Well, so I was upset about being mandated to take the vaccine. I wanted to know if the FDA had ever been wrong about anything before. Like, have we ever had a glaring mistake, you know, when it came to pharmaceutical advice or direction? And I stumbled across, of course, the Purdue Pharma Oxycotton story. Now, I didn't really know about that story. And at the exact moment that I'm looking this up, there's this amazing Hulu docuseries. Well, it's it's actually not a docuseries.

How old were you at this time?

Oh, during the pandemic, I mean, what? That was five years ago. So what? I'm in my late 20s. Okay. Because I'm 33 now.

Yeah, I mean, it's extraordinary though that you actually took time to dig that deep.

Oh my gosh, it's not that deep. I mean, Santo? Yeah, my life. It's it's like, okay, this is how I feel like um, you know, and I didn't, I don't have, we were talking about this, I don't have as a Christian a crazy conversion story. I always like get upset when people ask me, like, how did you get saved? And I'm like, I wish I was like addicted to black dark heroine, and then you know, like somebody found me like out of a gutter. Like, I wish I had some crazy conversations.

I'll tell you my story when I got in an argument with my friend. I was like raised Catholic, became agnostic, got in an argument and led me to Christ. I mean, like, exactly.

Like, so cool.

So I'm like, wish I had that.

My conversion story is boring. I just I grew up in a Christian home and I I just think over time, um, you know, I had other strong believers in my life that that really helped in that sanctification process. And I'm still, I mean, all of us, you know, are it's the sanctification process is ongoing, right? But um I would say I really started getting serious about my faith in the last five years. So also the pandemic. Um, but I'm going through all of this, I'm reading all these books.

Yeah.

And I had gotten off on my own a couple years prior just because I didn't know anything about this, but I just thought, you know, it's weird that I'm taking this. I don't know why I'm taking it. I've been on it for so long, and what's the point? I'm never on time with it. I routinely forget to take it. Like, I'm just gonna stop cold turkey. So I did.

Yeah.

It uh it can increase your risks of developing a uh uh it can increase your risks of developing an autoimmune disease 230 something percent. Um, which by the way, I have Hashimoto, so I'm like, there's gotta be a correlation there. Um, you know, just all of the different side effects, how it increases your your rates of anxiety and depression. How many of my friends have been on the birth control pill? They're experiencing symptoms of anxiety and depression, and then they're put on Lexapro.

And by the way, there was high levels of mercury and a form of thimerosol in it, which I I I don't even know why it was there, but you know, I I think they eventually changed that, but for many years they were getting mercury poisoned as well, as if it wasn't bad enough.

That's incredible. I had no idea about that. So yeah, I'm like, I'm reading all of this and um, you know, finding out that it's really a band-aid because I I have so many friends that are like, well, I have to take it because I have PCOS. I have to take birth control for endometriosis. And so I just thought that must be true. Um, and you know, come to find out it's really suppressing symptoms, it's not actually fixing the issue.

Yeah.

You know, these women are on the pill, they're suppressing their endometriosis uh symptoms.

And by the way, infertility is rising 4% a year.

Really? Last I heard it was 1%.

So that means it's increased that it's going up and up and up and up and up. So bad.

Unreal. I mean, this is a crisis. This tells you it's something environmental, it's not genetic or anything like that. That there's something in our environment, in our lifestyle, the way we're living our lives as Americans that is leading to such increased rates of infertility.

Yeah, trusting in the FDA, like you said, trusting in Big Pharma. You were raised that way. I think most of our parents trusted the doctor, Big Pharma, right? I mean, that was that generation, and I think your generation is breaking out of that in a big way.

I think so. And I, and you know why? I think it's because millennials are so freaking sick.

Yeah.

We are so sick.

That's right.

And it's because of how we were raised. My generation had a fake food pyramid, my generation had GMOs introduced to the food system, vaccine schedule explodes with my generation. We're all put on birth control, and we wonder why we are feeling so crappy as adults, and we're trying to raise our own kids if we can even get pregnant, by the way. We're trying to raise our own kids healthier and we are having the hardest time doing that. All of the science is fake.

You know, part of the curse of generation is social media, but it's also social media that I think has made your generation not trust anything or anybody because they know anything can be fake, right? It's like, you know, that you that your generation absolutely looks at things. Like I'll send things to my my kids and they'll be, oh, that's AI. You know, they laugh at me. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Well, I I'll tell you, here's the cask, here's the cascade of events here that that has, I think, absolutely catapulted this crazy distrust. Everything is a conspiracy. And by the way, I certainly I think for the majority of the time, a lot of conspiracy theories, you know, give it time, they come true, right?

And so I want to talk about that.

Yeah. So what you know, what I blame is one, the pandemic, how that was handled, um, the total botched science that we were fed, uh, mandating a vaccine, all of that. That was the first thing that really shook up people. Then you have uh the complete butchering of the Epstein files drop over the summer of 2025. That was a massive blunder. I I will just say that also rattled a lot of people's trust.

Yeah, laughable. I I think they're blaming her now. Yes, um, Erica Kirk for this and being involved. I mean, you know, what possibly more could they say? I mean ridiculous.

Well, every day it's it's something else, um, which is just it's uh really unreal. I'm just like, man, this is um these people have really great imaginations. They should be working on storyboards for cartoons.

You know, I I always just it's the battle's spiritual, and I want to get there because I I do believe that Charlie died for a very, very important reason, and you know, God allows all things, and I want to have that conversation because I think it's really important. You know, I I this generation, my kids' generation is the first generation to not outlive their parents. And that was your original point, is the reason you got into it, the generations getting into it because they have to.

I mean, I think it's all the things I just mentioned. I also think it's the increased amount of plastics, it's fragrance and everything is contributing to making us sick. Uh, the amount of food that we are getting to go take out drive-throughs that is hot food in plastic, leaching that into our food. You know, we're using Teflon nonstick cookware, plastic utensils, scraping our food on those on the pans. Uh we're literally just eating.

All these are hormone disruptors, by the way.

Yeah. All these are hormone disruptors. And then, you know, of course, all the pesticides that we're using in our environment. Um and so that's been a problem, by the way. It's not only the Trump administration, because a lot of people are talking about that in the news right now. It's been a problem with every single presidential administration since we started using all of this crap. I mean, I guess, which would have been right after the Vietnam War.

No, no, because they they're paying the bills. Yeah. These companies is the point. So that means that every, you know, the whole thing is wrong on every side. And to your point, every president has uh added to some of this unknowing. I'm I'm not even saying, you know, many of it is much of it is unknowing.

Yeah. And I think that there are a lot of people that are giving the president unfortunately bad information around him when it comes to pesticides. I think that there are still several people.

You talk about the glyphosate thing?

Yeah. And so I think that there's a lot of people in the admin that have lobbyist ties that are, that are working in the agencies that are proving chemicals, like the EPA. Um, we know that. Uh Nancy Beck, Kyle Kunkler. So that that's a huge problem. Um, you know, those were the types of things that we were weeding out in the in the NIH and the FDA.

Just so people understand the context of what we're talking about, glyphosate, the chemical that I believe is causing all these food allergy problems, causing gluten problems, opening up the blood-brain barrier, the gut barrier leading to autoimmune, obviously, lawsuits for cancer, and yet it's still on the market. Okay, and there was just a recent um bill that they're pushing through protecting it under national security.

Correct. Yeah, there was an executive order. Um, you know, Bayer donated, I believe, a million dollars to do it.

And Bayer's the owner now of glyphosate, correct. The company Monsanto.

Yeah, manufacturing it, Roundup. They donated, I believe, one million dollars to Trump's inaugural fund. They also have a bunch of people that used to work uh for Bayer, their law firm, et cetera, that are working in the administration. So the fingerprints are all over. But again, it's not unique to this admin, I want to stress. It's just this has been a problem forever.

Yeah, yeah.

So we did that, and so we're anticipating this rally to be even bigger and really just make a huge national statement that the people are not for all of this poison, that we really want to see change on this.

Yeah, this is a really important thing for why what I said, right? I I do believe glyphosate is the problem. I mean, why people are reacting to phytates, lectins, all the plant toxins, every, you know, everything that's happening back, it's like glyphosate is there. So what there is there's some truth to this? That glyphosate is so ubiqueous in our environment. Corn, 98% of corn will not grow without it. I think 97% of soy won't grow without it. So many plants won't grow without it.

You're right. And and so that's what the administration is saying is that it's a national security issue. We need to protect glyphosate because if we take it away, then you know starvation.

Right.

So it is a process. It's you can't do it overnight. But you know, what needs to be done is which the admin is saying that they're discussing how they can do this. So that's good. I've heard that there are talks. Bobby mentioned, Bobby Kennedy mentioned that there were talks going on between him and President Trump on the Joe Rogan show about this. But there needs to be a significant amount of amount of money put into helping farmers get off.

We now create a new problem, though. We created a soil that is just deplete of anything. So therefore, now we need I'm putting quotes around it, the chemical, because the soil, you know, again, what brings a plant defense is a good soil that makes a healthy plant, just like a child, just like a human, right? And when you don't have the soil, you have an unhealthy plant, we have to spray everything away. So how do we deal with that?

Yeah, this is a huge problem that I don't think a lot of people realize. I mean, an organic tomato today is less nutrient dense than an organic tomato from the 1950s. Because of our soil. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you didn't have to do that before because our food, first of all, it was local. You know, you had the you had a milkman. That would be amazing. We should bring back milkmans. Yes.

Um delivering raw milk.

Yeah. When we industrialized the food system and we took out this aspect of getting things local, this is why everything had to be sprayed and made shelf stable with all of these chemicals. Food, we were not supposed to eat this way. We weren't supposed to eat um out of season. We were supposed to be be eating seasonally, right? Like you weren't supposed to be eating pineapple in January.

I'm sorry, but that's just not there's problems with that, actually. Yeah.

So it's it's way better for you to, for your body to eat regionally, locally, um, and seasonally. You know, and you can look that up. Okay, it's it's you know, at the time that we're filming this, it's March. So what vegetables and produce are in fruit are in season in March. And then you shop according to that. And here's what also is cool is when you're eating seasonally and you're changing up your diet according to what's in season every month, you're creating a diverse microbiome.

It's the best way.

But you're creating a diverse microbiome. And so guess what? You're not gonna get as sick as frequently. Um, you're you're just you're gonna feel better. Your cells are gonna be uh uh, you know, I don't know what's the word.

Functioning, able to detox.

Yes, exactly. And so I I think, you know, we eat as Americans, I feel like we eat like four beige foods every single day, and then we're sitting in artificial light all day long, and we're we're getting six hours of sleep or less, and we think that that's okay because we can function. Um, and it's not, it's it's super dangerous to exist on six hours of sleep. I just interviewed Barbara O'Neill, uh famous herbalist author speaker on this, and she was talking about the six hours of sleep problem.

My father said, you know, I was always trying to get him to, you know, do better. And um he smoked for 50 years, ended up with lung cancer. But his saying, he his saying in the beginning when I would try to get him to make changes would be, I'm gonna die of something anyway, so I'm just gonna enjoy myself. That was his little saying, right? Well, it changed. It changed because he suffered for the last 15 years of his life, maybe longer.

I mean, of course, God knows exactly how many days that we have. Uh he is sovereign. And that doesn't mean though, that we are supposed to just trash this temporary gift that we were given by him. Because if we are too sick and mentally ill and struggling and can't get out of bed, how are we getting out and and and doing his mission? Yeah, right. How are we getting out and discipling people, evangelizing people, um, you know, using our God-given gifts and talents to bring glory to him?

Absolutely.

That's a red flag as a congregation. You're also if you can't take care of yourself, I'm sorry. But when you are trying to share your Christian witness with something with somebody, I think that matters. How does this person, you know, obviously how do they conduct themselves, but how do they look? Do they look put together? Do they look like a slog?

Yeah, I preach. I I got you there. And you know, and I've heard Christians say, Well, I pray over my food. I'm like, do you think that if that were the case, because many Christians pray over their food, the health statistics would arguably then, if your philosophy is correct, be better than other religious groups. Fact is, it's not. Okay, Christians are just as unhealthy, if not more unhealthy than other religious groups, which is actually true.

Well, you know, these are real addictions. You know this, you know this as a doctor better than me, but the people have real addictions to sugar and ultra-processed food. My dad died of an addiction to ultra-processed food. So when I see churches hosting, you know, potlucks or whatever, and everything is red 40 and fried chicken, you know, fried in canola oil and all of this. You see, you're you're fueling sickness in the church.

Yeah.

And we are we are doing great on one end and we are totally dropping the ball on another. Yeah. Um, and so, you know, we should be holding each other accountable in our spiritual walks as well as our physical health walks, um, I think with the church.

I couldn't agree more. I told you it was gonna be controversial. So yeah, even for our Christians that uh we love and adore, oh my gosh, you gotta eat better. I'm telling you, it's real though. The Christians are like one of the sicker uh religious groups.

It's be it's because of how we eat at all of our gatherings. Yeah. You know, and so what I like to do is volunteer as that person, you know, for Sunday school, for children's Sunday school that you're you're chaperoning, or for your small group that you go to every week, volunteer to be the snack person. And and so you know that you're providing something that's nourishing, that's gonna fuel everybody, that's gonna help everyone focus for the important things that you're trying to learn.

Yeah. It's the same. Yeah, absolutely. You know, the battle's always spiritual. This is always what I say. When you don't understand things, the battle's always spiritual, meaning this world is Satan's world. God gave it to him for a time. And of course, God's people will be deceived. And absolutely, you know, the enemy wants us to be downtrodden, if you will, not the light of the world. He wants it exact opposite. So I I hope people heard what you just said.

You know, we have accomplished so many things in this first year, right? Incredible things that no other presidential administration has been able to do. And we got it done in one year. We have updated the dietary food guidelines. This is huge. This this uh impacts, you know, the types of food that is recommended.

Absolutely.

So this is critical that we were able to accomplish this. So kudos to Bobby for that.

Yeah, but but Bobby doesn't know. He was not the first to flip the pyramid. You know that. It was South Park 11. And it was South Park 11 years ago. You have to watch the piece. I actually did a little social media thing. They were like, you know, we got to flip the pyramid, sir. We have to flip the pyramid. We'll bring health back to America. And he's like, but if we flip the pyramid, duh. He's like, flip it. Okay, like we got a match. And you know, it was hilarious. You have to see it.

Yeah. So you know, we accomplished the dietary guidelines update. Uh we have, you know, started requiring food diets to not be allowed in our in our food supply chain, which is huge. Uh, there is a massive effort going on to look into what's allowed in baby formula right now called Operation Stork Speed. I love that name. We have uh started putting a lot of money into regenerative farming. So when we talked about you know fixing and improving our soil, uh, you know, electrical.

Which is part of that, the real we never close that loop. That's the answer to the glyphosate issue. For sure. The Trump administration has to understand. I get that it's a national security issue, that we can't just pull it because our soils deplete. It would cause food problems. It would, it would cause shortages. But that said, we have to put billions of dollars into regenerating our soil. That will change the health of America. That will get away from the chemical.

Yeah, you know, that's good. Um uh uh what else have we done? Oh my gosh, so many things. What am I forgetting?

Um the Well, the vaccine schedule. Oh, that's right. My gosh, that's huge. Uh we didn't even go there yet.

Change the childhood vaccine schedule uh to to mimic more European countries that you know have a really dialed in schedule and then you know, just more importantly, telling parents you know your child best. And it's really up to you, you know, what vaccines your child gets. It's not up to the doctor, it's up to you. Yeah, and and just giving that power back to parents, I think that's been an incredible message that this administration has uh propagated, which needed to be done.

Yeah.

So it's kind of funny.

It's almost humorous.

Yeah, because you've got this like golden retriever frolicking through a field with butterflies, and then they're like, literally, I'm not kidding. The commercial will say the side effects of this medication may include bleeding from your eyeballs, ears, and toes, massive diarrhea. You might wake up in the middle of the night and just explode, throwing up uncontrollably, cancer. Your head might fall off.

Like, no, it's absurd, right?

Crazy side effects. Crazy. Um, you might go blind. I mean, I'm listening to this like, wow, because it's true, there's no pharmaceutical product on the market, vaccine, pill, or otherwise, that is side effect free. There's not one. Everything has a side effect. There's always a risk. You need to know what those are. So at least, you know, that goes into the category of giving Americans more informed consent, which I really like.

They're all powerful women, right? It's like because I've always said the answer to this is not that you're a mom, but the answer to this is moms who are just pissed off. Oh, it is.

And see, and I'm just a vessel. So it's like I represent my audience, which I'm not a mom yet, God willing, I will be one day, but I represent my audience who are young moms. And so I hear what, you know, they message me every day, tell me what's up, what's down, what are we happy about, what are we mad about. And so I'm kind of their mouthpiece with all of this. And so I share it. Um, I share what their thoughts and

Yep, same thing.

Can't sue vaccine manufacturers. You just uh interviewed Dr. Aaron Seary, right?

Yes, yep.

And you talked about this.

Yes.

So we're trying now, the chemical companies are trying to do what we did with vaccines to their products because people are getting so sick. And like I said, they have spent billions of dollars settling lawsuits for Hodgkin's lymphoma and all kinds of other cancers and illnesses and infertility and thyroid issues. So they're like, hey, you know what would be great? Instead of us continuing to pay out all these lawsuits and settlements, why don't we just go ahead and make it so they can't sue us?

Northwest Georgia.

And it's also creeping into the border there of Alabama. And uh cancer, they have this is a teeny tiny town, teeny tiny town, not uh people with not a lot of money. They've had to open a second cancer clinic, I believe, because so many people are being diagnosed with cancer, pediatric cancer on the rise in this area. Uh, there's a couple who has a 22,000 acre farm. All of their farm animals are dying, and their family members are dying.

They're bearing This is like the movie Dark Waters.

It's exactly. So it's if you've ever seen Dark Waters with Ann Hathaway and Mark Ruffalo, it's one of the greatest movies of all time.

Yeah.

And it's I love that movie. I've seen it so many times. And so it's the exact same thing that happened there in West Virginia, in Georgia. But what's crazy is so this family is burying their farm animals and their family members on their property. They are saying that their farmland is completely unsellable because it's riddled with forever chemicals, which you know, never leave forever. And so it's useless and they can't make a living and they want to sue. But guess what?

So, I mean, this is state by state. This can't be a federal thing where they you cannot use, you know, these liability protections.

Here's the thing. So the executive order that President Trump signed, this is all kind of laying the it's it's setting the stage for we kind of stand with Bayer over people. We're standing with corporations and chemicals over citizens. Because Bayer Monsanto, you know, they changed their name, but same thing. Monsanto has a Supreme Court case, like I said, coming up.

So wait a minute. So there if this goes through there the government will or will not have the ability to say it's safe or not safe.

So Monsanto wants the Supreme Court to rule that the EPA has final say on saying if their product is safe. Here's the problem.

Right. Because if they do, they're bought, and then they say it's safe and you can't sue. Saying that it isn't safe.

Or you can't it'll just be more difficult. I don't know that it'll be a blanket immunity federally. I could be wrong on this. I'm not, I'm not like super well versed on the legalese of it. Um, moms Across America is an amazing organization with Zen Honeycut that has all of this broken down, all the nitty-gritty for it. But what will happen is they want the EPA to be able to say if their product is safe or not and if they have, and say if they have to put a warning label on the product.

It's right in the front. Yeah, it is round up.

So they don't want that sticker, obviously, because it impacts sales. But the other problem is they're trying to say the EPA should be able to have the final say, but the EPA has been using faulty, fraudulent science given to them by Bayer, which was retracted in November. So in November, New York Times did a huge piece on this.

Exactly. Same thing happened in vaccines. I mean, honestly, it's uh it's just absolute corruption at its deepest core. And and this ultimately is going to squish the real science down in a way, which, by the way, billions of dollars have been awarded. Why has billions of dollars been awarded? Because the science shows that it does cause cancer. Um, and if this, if they take all of these protections away, more and more lawsuits are gonna come out.

So I really believe, and I was talking to somebody really high up in the admin about this over the summer. And I was like, okay, so what do you think when it comes to Maha? Because we're talking about, you know, how Maha is doing. What do you think when it comes to Maha is going to be the most difficult hurdle? And without hesitation, he said, big ag and big chemical.

Yeah. Do you see that? It's like the it's like it's everyone's captured.

Everyone's everyone's got a sugar daddy somewhere. And so what you see is a lot of Republicans that are scared to say anything, uh, because the chemical companies fund fund them. And um so I think that this issue in particular, when it comes to chemicals, pesticides in our environment, this is going to be the biggest and most important fight of Maha. Um, and we're really bringing that to the forefront this year for 2026.

What do you think the chances are? I mean, you know, Bobby has great Trump respects him greatly, you know, but uh, you know, uh there's a lot of money at stake here. You know, so how what do you think the outcome is gonna be?

Well, you know, Bobby went on Joe Rogan, and once this executive order came out, kind of protecting glyphosate, Bobby said, you know, I was not happy to put it mildly. Yeah. And that was like his nice way of of saying he totally disagreed, but you know, President Trump is his boss, so he can only say so much. And I get that. Um, it's tough. President Trump is in a tough position, Bobby's in a super tough position.

Yeah.

However, what I'm hearing from my audience, which are, you know, young mothers 25 to 35 years old, they are concerned and not even sure if they want to vote in midterms because they are so angry about what they assume is pesticide protection from this admin. So, what I've been trying to do is raise alarms on this and saying, we got to get ahead of this.

That was a great, that was a very good, honest statement because I resonate with that because I understand the power of these moms and their influence. See, because the women, they talk amongst themselves, right? Every mom has their group of moms. And if that's the chatter on the street, which you're telling me that it is, then I am concerned as well because they have the power to say, we're not coming out, we're not voting, because we, you know, we need this to change.

Yeah, I'd love to see. I think it would be really cool if President Trump and Bobby hosted a live Maha Moms Town Hall on the news before midterms. And they invited moms from across the country that love Maha and voted for him in 2024 based on Maha and allow them to ask questions, share their concerns, and get their take on it and how they're going to be handling these issues after midterms. I think that would be super impactful. And I think that that would be a great move.

So we need to tell Tony, we have to all these Maha people, right? I mean, I'm I'm there too.

I mean, let's do a Maha Mom's Town Hall live QA with the president and Bobby. I'm telling you, this would resonate with these women.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It has to happen. It has to. We're going to make sure that happens. I kind of have responsibility here too. So we're going to make that happen. I want to, I want to go back. This conversation is so important that it's almost, you know, landing it is very difficult for me because I am so much passion around the fact that uh chemicals are the reason why I asked that earlier, that we have the explosion of chronic disease.

Speaking of atrazine, want to hear something juicy? So there's this show on right now that's all about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bissett. Uh, it's it's called Love Story, and it's super popular in Hulu. Okay, it's like the number one show on TV right now in streaming. And what's it called? Love Story. Love story. And it's it's a fix, it's a you know.

What's it streaming on? What platform? Hulu. Hulu.

And it's showing, you know, the love story between JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bassett, you know, who died in the plane crash. And so what's interesting about this is they had such a hard time finding a man actor who looked similar to JFK Jr., you know, very masculine, strong jawline, thick hair, uh, built, could not find anybody. They ended up picking a guy, like basically off the street who looked like him, who's has no acting experience. That's who is playing JFK Jr. He's never acted before.

That's the point. Yeah.

At least you live in Utah, at least in Utah you guys have banned fluoride.

Yeah. Yeah, we have. But you know, that's why one of the things I always say is listen, you have to have an RO unit, a reverse osmo, a reverse osmosis water filtration unit, because otherwise you are subjecting you and your family to a lot of these chemicals unknowingly. Chemicals that arguably make your males female. We wonder why the generation is confused. Could this be one of the confusers? Could this be that it is creating confusion in the generation?

I believe it 100% is. Contributing to gender dysphoria and all of this? Yes.

Yeah.

Yes. I believe I do. And, you know, talking about just the Maha coalition and these voters, these people who voted based on Maha, a large majority of them are not Republicans. They've never even voted red in their life. They are independents or true blue Democrats that care about the health issue a lot. Because, like we talked about, it used to be the left that really cared about those topics. They care about the health issue.

Right. Yeah, which is tragic because we need their, we need their vote. And um, but they're going to have to feel that we have their kids over the dollars. You know, and and right now, maybe they don't feel that way. So I agree with you. That that has to change. That has to change. That's a big deal. Okay,

Man, um we are doing the best we can to continue to carry the torch. Um, you know, we have more kids than ever, despite what you see online. We have record amounts of high school and college students that are wanting to create a turning point USA chapter. So that's not impacting them. It's not having an effect on that.

Okay.

Um it obviously impacts morale to a certain extent that we are human and you know it hurts. It it hurts to see such disgusting lies told about people that you see coming into the office with, you know, lucky if they've brushed their hair, lucky if they've changed their clothes, doing the best that they can. You know what I mean? It's like we're running an organization and we're keeping this going because we know that's what Charlie would want.

Yeah, I heard this. Yeah, this is so absurd.

First of all, Erica isn't even tall enough to work for this agency. She's never worked for that agency. So these are just blatant lies. But as far as like other like little things about the day and the sequence of events and what's normal for our organization, what isn't. I mean, the the members of the Charlie Kirk show have already debunked so much of that and talked about it in on their show in extensive interviews, you know, went through and explained things, have tweeted things.

It's evil, all of it. I mean, in my mind, there was never a doubt that this guy shot, you know, shot him, right? And then in the beginning, the attention, I knew I predicted it. I said to my wife, watch, and they're gonna make it something that's not. And sure enough, short order, they started making it about this and not this and this guy, and it was apparently it was the Israel and this. I mean, all of it. I heard all of it.

But you know what's so this is what's interesting to me about the case. One, this is why Erica wanted to make sure that there were cameras going in that trial. It is going to be imperative for people to see all of the evidence that she has seen that it is it is so airtight on this guy. Um, so when the public sees that, you know, this should all be over.

Yeah.

But what I think is so compelling, I'm like, why does nobody talk about this? So you've got, I don't know, 30% of the internet, you know, believes that Turning Point USA is implicated in this murder or uh that Tyler Robinson is innocent and that he didn't do it, right? Is it 30% of the things?

I'm just I'm guessing. Okay, yeah, whatever it is, but even 10% grosses me out.

Yeah, no, I think I think it's I would that's what I would guess. I would say 30%. Wow. So if that is true, right? His own parents are who turned him in, and a family friend, a male family friend, uh, after he himself confessed to them that he shot Charlie.

Right.

That is, it's it's unbelievable that his parents were willing to do that. Yeah. And they haven't gone back and said, we made a mistake. I think that there's some holes in the story, we should look into some of these conspiracies. They're not saying that.

Yeah.

And this would be the ample time to kind of prop up some of those theories, right? So if you're them and wanting to save your child. So I just think all of that says so much. And again, for your own parents to turn you in, you know, um, is fingerprints all over the firearm, um, his family members' fingerprints all over the firearm because it was a family, family gun. There, there's just there's so much there.

I hope so too. What Candace Owens, uh, you know, she's really taken, I think, a bizarre stance in all this. What what is your take on her stance uh, you know, with the whole thing? It's just been odd to me.

I think uh Candace is gonna do whatever she thinks her audience wants, whatever's making her the most money, whatever's getting her the most attention, because Candace wants to be famous first and foremost, above anything else. That is that's always been the goal. Um, you know, she's actively telling people don't even vote. Uh she's like totally removing herself from politics unless it has to do with anti-Israel things. Then she wants to talk politics. Then she's interested.

How did she end up anti-Israel? I mean, where did this happen? I don't know.

You'd have to ask her the whole transformation. I don't know how how those those things happen with people. But uh yeah, I think I think it's she is addicted to the attention and the and the fame from that. And so, you know, if that's your driving factor, not morality, then there is no stopping point. You're just gonna take it all the way to the end. Also, you know, she's had a lot of she's she's been fired a lot from multiple organizations and companies.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, way more than even I would have thought, right? And I would have never have uh guessed that that was her goal, you know. And I don't know her, right? So I I'm not judging one way or the other, but that's shocking and sad, actually. But you could see that there was a shift.

I mean, the truth of the matter is is that, you know, very, a very long time ago, probably when I first got hired at Turning Point, her and Charlie were, you know, they had been really close when it was just them. Charlie starts dating Erica. They're not that close anymore.

Yeah.

Um, because, you know, this is normal. It's not normal for a man to have a female best friend when you're you're, you know, you're with the person you're gonna marry and then who you're married to when you have a wife. Um, and so uh they started drifting apart. I think Charlie was very loyal to people. He would never bash anybody publicly.

That says a lot. Yeah, and you were on the inside, you know, you you knew that to be true.

And I think, you know, I think that there's screenshots and things that people may have that, you know, show him discussing how he kind of felt about her in recent years. But I, you know, that's not for me to share. If somebody wants to share it, then they can. But that's, you know, that was very personal.

Yeah, good. You know, you may disagree with this, but I I believe Charlie was meant to live the 31 exact years that he did for such a time as this. I have spoken to so many young people who weren't believers, and because of Charlie's death, are now, or in at least even saying, I I sat across recently a girl having uh lunch, my wife and I and her mom, and she had all these questions about Jesus, and she was Jewish. And she said at one point, you know more about my religion than I do.

Yeah.

My wife's hus my wife's husband, that'd be me. Uh my wife's father, I remember it was probably two days later, and he said, Marilee, if God loved him, how would he let this happen? And he's a not a non-believer. And I wanted to, I wanted to take the phone because I I and I was like shouting over saying he allowed it to happen because he he was that blessed. Watch what's gonna happen.

Yeah, it's um man, it's so tough because it's heartbreaking. We miss him so much. Um, but absolutely, you know, his life meant so much, and even in death has impacted so many people for the good of the gospel. And it's really cool the amount of people that have said, I'm back to church, I got saved, uh, you know, I'm reading the Bible for the first time, I bought a Bible for the first time. It has not gotten old on us at turning point at all since all that happened. We still love hearing it.

I believe God had a plan and it was executed. And, you know, like you you said something, and I got goosebumps when you said it. You know, he's just he worked as if he knew the day. He worked tirelessly, knowing that man, I've got to this time. You know, obviously he didn't know the day.

Yeah.

Yeah. Amazing. Polit

I think, you know, the Democrats have just gone back on a lot of their principles and and and you can look statistically, there's been a lot of research on on different social issues, right? And you see Republicans, conservatives, they basically stays in the same spot. Like we don't go more extreme to the right. Like we've stayed the same. But as years go on, the left, you see them going further, further, further left on all social issues.

Yeah.

And, you know, a whole food shopper back in the day would have been a Democrat, I think almost certainly. Now it's a total mixed bag. It's a total mixed bag, or even maybe even leans conservative. Uh, it seems to be we're the ones that care. You know, you've got the left is is they're overweight, they're mentally ill, dyeing their hair blue. I mean it. It does, they don't even look like the picture of health. No. You know, they're not at all in any way, shape, or form.

Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It it really is astounding to me because when you don't have your health, politics doesn't matter. I mean, nothing matters when you lose your health. I mean, it is the foundation of everything, right? It's like it's the ultimate freedom issue. We could debate over um uh we could debate over a a lot of topics that are hot, right? Um abortion. Does abortion matter when you lose your health and you can't have a child? Does abortion matter?

Well, they're in an identity crisis, but we're in an identity crisis as well. So when it comes to the Israel issue, our party is totally split. Yeah. They're totally split on these really weird fringe social ideas. Uh and so I I would like to see us get it together so that we can kind of we can stay together as they fall apart. But you know, if both parties completely fall apart, you know, we could be looking at a completely new political landscape in the next four years.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, which who knows what's going to happen after Trump, right? I mean, like you said, advance, uh, Rubio. We have some really good people that are there, but you know maybe we'll see a Vance Rubio take it.

I think that'd be fun.

Yeah. They're both really good guys, I think. Yeah.

I like them a lot. Yeah. And then hopefully Bobby can stay on at HHS. I'd like to see that.

What's your where do you think Maha, you know, really, really needs to put its energy right now? Glyphosate. Yeah, me too. I have that.

Sorry, but as as as you guys saw how impactful, you know, food dyes was, how people were really obsessed with that. That was such a it was a good move. Everybody still, whether you're on the Democrat side or the right, say that was a great thing that we did. I think curbing the pesticide issue is going to be another win.

Yeah.

And again, it's not about screwing over our farmers, it's about giving our farmers the infrastructure to get off of it.

Absolutely. And if we can do that, there's they're they have a big problem. I mean, they don't want to, they hate it, they're getting sick, right? It's like, and yet they're trapped. And that's sad. Yeah. Yeah, that's sad. I want people to understand why we both feel this is such a big issue for the health of America. There was a study in 2012, uh, Stephanie Senef was part of that study.

And you can't wash it off.

You can't wash it off. It's in the plant itself. So the the passion that we have of we have to solve this problem is, and and you're right, midterms is an opportunity. You know, the Trump administration needs to hear how devastating it is.

And um I hope we pull through.

Me too.

I hope people listen to us. I hope people listen to us.

Yep, absolutely. Okay,

Well, first of all, I'm not on any thyroid medication. Um, I haven't had to do that. I would say I I'm I'm keeping it at a decent level. Um, it's not like I'm significant, it's not significantly going away, but it's also I haven't, it's not been getting worse for me. So one, I'm not on any thyroid meds. I have a few different supplements that a team has given me that are key for, you know, whatever my blood work is showing.

100%. I I say this I'm not perfect on that. No, it's hard because you travel like I travel.

Well, but it's not even the traveling. I love sourdough bread.

So yeah, but again, just you know, get the organic sourdough bread, right? If we can get people to avoid glyphosate, the can and other chemicals like atracine and get rid of the rancid oils like seed oils, those two things, the chemical and the glyphosate, I'm telling you, we will change the health of America in a fast way. But I'm gonna get you in my program because these chemicals that we're talking about, they accumulate at the cellular level.

And you help people detox, right?

That's what I do. It's what I've been teaching 20 years.

Okay, so what do you how do people detox besides sweating, peeing, pooping?

Ah, that's a great question. So that is downstream detox. Real detox actually starts in the cell. Uh, your your cell's ability to get rid of toxins really determines how healthy one person is versus the next person. So when that slows down those God-given detox pathways at the cellular level, that's when we start accumulating the toxins in the cell. That's when bad genes start getting triggered. Hashimoto's autoimmune, et cetera.

Yeah. How do you do that? How do you get it out?

That's what I've been teaching. Yeah. So yeah, you upregulate, you get those pathways working again. Okay. And that's a lot of what I teach. I teach whole classes on fixing the cell membrane, which allows the good things in, the bad things out. The membranes in the cell determine a lot of detox. Wow. So we have to um really regenerate those membranes. So I've developed a lot of protocols around that, a lot of products around that. But that said, you still have to avoid the bad stuff.

That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. So I would say that's been huge. You know, I definitely have the dirtiest cells known to man, I think. I let me tell you something. Anybody that comments on my show and they're like, she is such a big wellness podcast. She thinks she's so much better than us. And like, listen, listen, Judy. Uh I was a C-section baby. I was fully vaxxed. I got a flu shot every single year till I was in my mid-20s.

You believe the FDA and Pharma had your best interest.

I believe FDA and Pharma had my best interest. I was eating ultra-processed food for high school lunch. All I had was like six rice crispy treats and a red 40 fruit.

So I didn't grow up on any of that.

I ate all of that. And also was on birth control for a decade. So please, also, I was getting, I've did Botox for many years, but haven't done in a long time. I was doing all of that kind of stuff. So I am the nastiest, most vile anti-wellness person ever who made a total and complete recovery. God saved me.

Yes, he did. Look at you now. I'll tell you what, though, that makes your message more.

What's crazy is that I'm 33. I if you look back, even just in the last like five to 10 years, I look younger now at 33 than I did in my early to mid-20s because I was so inflamed. I was so sick. Just everything about me looked so old. I mean, because of what I was eating and what I was putting in and on my body. So it's it's crazy.

So look, you've done well at, well, you said not perfect, but well at what control. Imagine there's a bucket above us, or how about that? How about a bathtub upstairs, right? And something starts clogging the drain, and we're filling the bathtub, unknowing it's going, going, going, going. At one point, it's going to overflow. And now all the water comes down, damages this, damages the carpet, the ceiling, everything, right?

POMPA police are coming to arrest me.

Yeah, exactly. Well, we we need you healthy. This girl is you see now, right? Okay, you see, she is absolutely, you know, for such a time as this, you were called. Thank you. Yeah, God put that, stirred that fire in you. He did. Thank you. He stirred the fire in you. You know, when you described how you got in, that was God stirring your fire, you know, and because you have a voice and you have passion and purpose behind it. So amen. Yeah. Thank you for being here.

Yeah, so I'm not an expert. He's an expert. I'm not. I am a messenger and I ask questions of experts like him. So um, I'm planning on interviewing him on my show so you can go check it out. Culture Apothecary. You can get it anywhere that you listen to podcasts. The reason the name is Culture Apothecary, which people are like, I was gonna ask that. What is that? Culture Apothecary. So at Turning Point, we're always talking about how we want to win the culture war.

Yeah.

And I knew that I wanted to rebrand my show to focus on health and wellness. And I thought, okay, well, how am I contributing to the to the culture war? You know, what does health have to do with the culture war? And I thought, well, our culture is very sick. We're sick physically, we're sick emotionally, relationally, and spiritually. So where would you go originally in your community to find natural remedies of healing?

Yeah, exactly. And look what you built. Yeah. She has one of the number one shows. I mean, if you want more of this, more of this, go and watch that podcast.

I I get to interview amazing, incredible experts just like him, and um, you know, that are that are giving really helpful tips for how to improve not only what you eat and your diet and your physical health, but you know, we have amazing pastors and theologians on because again, we talk about spiritual health. I have episodes on parenting and disciplining your children and all kinds of in controversy episodes.

You got slammed. I remember um, see, we just can't stop. This is so good. You um it was a show that you did on, you know, well, you what was her name? Erica Erica? Was it Erica Komazar? Yes, yeah, and and it was basically like, you know, moms, and you know, they were like, you know, because they drop their kids off, they're not part of the city. Yeah, want to know something funny. And you spoke truth.

So I spoke the truth, and I was told what what he's talking about is I interviewed Dr. Erica Komazar, who is an expert on childhood attachment, and and she has written a whole book called Being There, and it's about how impactful the first three years of a child's life is, yeah. Um, with you know, how you're pouring into it and how you show up and all those sorts of things. And and she talks about the dangers of daycare that a lot of parents are not told.

Because the point is, though, her point was the first three years, a baby needs her mom more than a father, more than anything. That attachment is like, it affects them for life. Isn't that her point? Exactly.

And so she she talks about all of that. And so I did an episode on this. Now, I'm not the first person in the conservative movement to ever bring up the daycare issue. I think the first person to really bring it up uh substantially was this woman named Suzanne Venker, who I really love. And she's an amazing author and speaker as well. She's Phyllis Shaffley's niece, um, if you know who that is.

You will. You want more of that? Yep. The culture apothecary and follow her on Instagram and all your social platforms because you are a dynamo changing the world. Thank you for being here.

Thank you for having me.