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the month, we have none other than Matt Connorton. Matt Connorton comes from us from Matt Connorton Unleashed, which is his drivetime show four to six Monday through Friday at WMNH ninety five point three, or you can listen to it at Matt Connorton dot com or ipmnation dot com. If you go on Onto through your Internet, you can text him, you can I am him, you can be part of the conversation if you're not in the Manchester, New
Hampshire area and cannot get it over the airwaves. We used to look at Matt as our political our political junkie analysts expert, but he still does that, and he still does that for us here at the Doctor Kevin Show, but he has split his own show up between supporting local musicians and artists, not just local. Sometimes he gets people that are not local, local,
just loco on his show. So if you'd like a bit of politics and a little bit of local musicians or small bands, you know, people that you might not hear about in your top forty and you are a music geek, you want to tune into Matt connorton so music geek, political geek, and then there's just a meet geek known as Matt Connerton. Matt, welcome, Hey, how you doing Doctor Kevin? I actually lost you there for a few seconds, but I don't think I missed I don't think I missed
anything significant. It sounded like you were just promoting my show, which I appreciate. Yes, I was promoting your promoting. Your show is now split up with between mostly local bands, some larger than local bands, but mostly
you know, you're discovering musicians. So that's what I was saying is you can be both a political geek and a music geek and enjoy Matt connorton Monday through Friday four to six, or you can come here once a month where we keep him more on the political geek side and whatever else tickles our fancy. So, Matt, how are you doing? I'm okay. It's cold outside, which I'm not a fan of, but I'm okay. I know exactly how cold it is outside because I'm outside walking as we're doing this show.
Ah. Yeah, you like to walk in the woods, don't you. I do. I like to walk in the woods, and occasionally, when it's this time of the year, I walk in mostly quiet neighborhoods, so you may hear occasional car going by, because at certain point the woods get too dark and I start tripping over things, and somehow it just doesn't sound good on the air for me to go. I'd be made for some exciting radio, I think and see. Personally, I'm terrified of the woods.
You know, you've got deers, you've got mountain lions, you've got the Blair Witch. I mean, there's a lot that can get you out there. Hope you're being careful, you know, I am being careful. And right now, they'd have to go through so many layers of clothing, they'd break their four teeth before they could get to me. Ah, even the blair Witch, even the Blair Witch. Hey, look, I can survive our current political situation. I can survive anything. Nothing is more horrifying,
that's than what's going on in Washington right now. Right. But outside of that, Yeah, I'm doing fabulous, and you you're doing well. Jenny's doing well. Yes, yeah, yeah, you know there's there's always challenges, but we just keep going. Well, you know, what would life be without a little challenge? If you called boring, right, that is true, That is true. I suppose we're wired for a challenge. So so I want to start out, obviously, I want to We've got
lots of political stuff to comment on. And again we don't have to leave it to political but you know, I like to pick your political brain. But I would like to see you give a definition and I'm happy to weigh in afterwards or whatever. I want our listeners to really understand the atrocity known as Christian nationalism, since the new Speaker of the House is a big proponent of it, and I don't think a lot of people actually really understand.
They get sucked in and misled by the fact that it has the word Christian in front of it. How would you define Christian nationalism for our audience. Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I can tell you. I mean, I don't know what the textbook definition would be, but I I can tell you. My impression is that Christian nationalists are first of all,
not believers in the separation of church and state. That they believe that, you know, that America is God's favorite and that there was some sort of divine providence and in uh, in the establishment of our country, and that that you know, we should be we should adhere as as Americans. We should be we should be Christians and adhere to what's in the Bible, and and not be afraid to allow the Bible to dictate our laws and and and that and that ultimately, uh, that's who should be in charge is
white Christian men. Uh. The Christian patriarchy should be run in the show. I mean, that's basically my impression of Christian nationalists. You know, they believe Christianity is the one true religion and it should be the one true religion of America and there's really not much room for anyone else. That's kind of my impression. I don't know if it's much of a definition necessarily, but that's my impression of Christian nationalism. It basically wants to move away from
a democracy to a theocracy. Yes, yes, it wants the church to run the country. And our new Speaker of the House has actually made comments that the Constitution actually was telling the government it needed to protect the church and make sure that it followed the church, and that his very convoluted, incorrect interpretation of what the father and father said that you know, we are not
here to protect any one single church. I think that was really made very clear and several not only like laws and constitution and the establishment, yeah and all the other stuff. But here is a man who is now third in line for president, and it's the Speaker of the House who is saying that we really, by all rights, shouldn't be a democracy. We're really a
theocracy dressed up in democratic clothing. But you know, the only people that get to really count in the democracy are white Christian men and and so how horrifying is that to you? It's horrifying to me. Maybe it's not horrifying
to you. I mean, but you know, we're going to break down into our if this man ends up with any kind of more power than he has, which with the clown show known as the GOP right now is questionable, how much actual power he'll get to put on before he gets pushed out the You know, we're going to have our own internal Israel and Palestine war going on, because how could we not what happens to all of the other religions that are in this country, which actually make up about forty percent,
and if you put liberal Christian in them, Christians are anti Christian nationalism, the number gets even bigger. So like, where's this leading us? What do you think? Well? I don't think, see I have worries about Mike Johnson that that really have nothing to do with that specifically. I don't think mainstream America is interested in Christian nationalism. I think, and and I don't think a lot of Republicans are actually the conservative base buys into that stuff.
But I don't think moderate, mainstream, college educated, suburban Republicans are are very interested in Christian nationalism. Fortunately, now, maybe I'm naive, but but that's that's my impression. And so you know, my my concerns about Mike Johnson are are not those aren't my worries. And by the way, there's actually something I like about Mike Johnson too. But and and you know, we can we can talk about that if you want to. But
but I I don't know. I mean, I'm not that worried about I mean, you know, Mike Johnson, Yes, he's now Speaker of the House, but I don't think he's going to you be able to take us any further into his ideology just because he's Speaker of the House. I don't think. I mean, if anything, I think and again maybe I'm naive, but I think in a broader context, long term, I think his being Speaker of the House as a Christian nationalist is going to be very damaging
to the Republican Party. And I think that they've already lost the House in twenty twenty four, and you know, if this is who's in charge now, of the Republican Party. I think it does a lot of harm to the party, So I'm not I'm not that worried about it. I mean, I think it's I think it's despicable this stuff, Like you know, he's advocated in the past, I guess for you know, outline being gay and you know, just the kind of crazy stuff you would expect from someone
who believes what he believes and thinks what he thinks. But I don't think I don't think the Christian nationalist aspect that he brings is in and of itself much of a threat. It's not something I'm that worried about. And again maybe I'm naive, but it's not at the top of my list of things about Mike Johnson that really worry me. And there is a list, so let's talk about that list. And I also like this here what you like about him. I mean, I try to stay away from black and white
Christian nationalism just gets on my last nerve. And I know that there's a lot of that behind the loading up with school boards and the banning ofw books, and it's a small, tenacious group that are kind of like the I'm trying to think, like locust. And they may not be many, but they destroy everything that they can get their little teeth on. They are, they are tenacious. And do you know where their tenacity comes from? Doctor Kevin, tell me, enlighten me, comes from the Lord. I'm just
kidding, No, I mean, uh my. My worries about Mike Johnson are that he's going to take us into a government shutdown because he probably thinks it's a good thing. Uh, and he probably uh uh will not vote for a continuing resolution and he'll he'll he'll have no problem taking us into a government shut down. He's he's an insurrectionist. He's an election denier. Uh. He wanted to help Trump overturn the election. That worries me. If he's still Speaker of the House the next time we have, uh, we're
facing the possibility of default, of going over the fiscal cliff. I think this guy would happily take us over the fiscal cliff. There are a lot of things about Mike Johnson that make him dangerous that that have really nothing to do with Christian nationalism per se. So my list, I have a separate list, like Christian nationalism would be very low on the list. There's other things about him, but I think, I think make him profoundly dangerous to
the country and the direction we're going. Well. Two, I think it's two of the more more what's left of the dying breed of modern Republicans. Two have already said they're not running for reelection. Yeah, you know. And the thing is is every moderate Republican who might be able to be a pain in the side of the Christian nationalist and the Maga Maggot movement, you know, you know, opens up the door for another crazy to get elected.
M So, I mean that makes me a little nervous too, because we have another whole we have another whole year before the House will turn over again, and it's probably going to go in a blaze of glory blue that's the way that's going now. But you can still do a lot of damage in a year, as you've just been pointing out. Right, Yeah, now they've I mean, they've already given up the House for twenty twenty four.
In my view, I mean, I'm off and wrong, but yeah, I believe that because this recent debacle with the ouster of McCarthy and then the three weeks without a speaker, and you know, there's the base of the Republican Party that likes that kind of thing. But you know, the but independence swing voters, you know, they look at something like that. They just they they say, you know, look at these clowns. They can't govern, you know, they can't be trusted with any kind of power.
And uh yeah, no, I think, uh, I think they've they've given away the house in twenty twenty four, I really do. Now. You said there were some things you liked about Mike Johnson. What are they? There's there's one thing, one thing I I one thing that I find very interested about him, and given everything else about him, this one thing is really surprising. But the dudes kind of woke. And what I
mean by that is, I don't know if you realize this. So he has a black adopted son, and he was being interviewed on I don't know if he may have addressed this in more than one place, I'm not sure, but I saw a particular video of a particular podcast that he was on, and he was talking about systemic racism and how he believes that systemic racism is a problem in the United States, and he talks about in this podcast,
he talks about arriving at that conclusion because he's got two sons. He has is his white son and he has his adopted black son, and he has observed some of the challenges that his adopted black son has had to face that his white son has not, and he sees that, and he recognizes it, and he acknowledges that systemic racism does exist in a mayor. So
that that is very interesting to me. And actually some conservatives, not as fellow conservatives in Congress, of course, but there are some conservatives in media, even more in the online media, not on Fox News or anything, but there are some conservatives who are attacking him over that, saying, WHOA, we didn't know he was woke. We love everything else about him,
but he's kind of woke. But what I've noticed, though, is when I see him doing that, it reminds me of conservatives who support marriage equality, and you wouldn't necessarily expect to the classic example being Dick Cheney, our former vice president, who is probably very conservative on every issue you could imagine, except Dick Cheney has always supported same sex marriage. That's the one thing where he steps out of line with conservatives. But Dick Cheney also has a
gay daughter. And no, I'm not talking about Liz Cheney, she's not gay, but his daughter Mary Chaney is gay, so he has always supported gay marriage. Also Rob Portman senator from where's he from? I don't think he's in I don't think he's in the Senate anymore. But is he from Ohio? Midwestern? Rob Portman anyway? Very conservative guy if you look at his voting record, except he supports marriage equality and he happens to have a
gay son. So I see a pattern here among conservatives who, yeah, it's easy for them to be very dismissive of you know, how everyone should have the same rights and opportunities, and how they're yes, there are marginalized groups in the United States, and they can dismiss that all they want to, But when someone in their family is directly affected by it opens their eyes a little bit and they see it up close, and they say, oh, no, this is real. The left isn't lying about this. This
really is an issue. And Mike Johnson acknowledges that systemic racism is real and he sees it in his own family. And you know, that's the one thing that I do like about him, and I think that's kind of cool that you know he's able to and he doesn't. You know, he doesn't try to get you know, when the subject comes up on that podcast, he doesn't try to soft pedal it. He says flat out. You know,
systemic racism is real. I've seen it up close. I see it with my black son and some of the ways that he's been discriminated against. I've seen it. So good for him, and he says it, you know, he just says it fearlessly. He doesn't try to sugarcoat it. He just says it. So I can appreciate that about him. I think everything else about him is horrible, but I can appreciate that one thing about him. So we can appreciate him as he crashes the ship known as the
USA. They can appreciate his stance on systemic racism. So well, something, Hey, we got to find these silver linings where we can doctor Kevin Hey. Absolutely, So, what do you think is going to happen to George Santos? They gonna actually expel him from Congress. I mean, the Republican New Yorkers are really advocating, you've got to get that guy out. He's going to kill the Republican Party in New York? Did you leave him? What do you think? Because the Democrats will all vote to remove him,
but they need super majority. Didn't they already vote on it and they didn't have enough votes to get him out? Oh, I didn't see that news clip last time. I didn't know that. I might be wrong. I might be wrong. I thought they voted today and they didn't have enough to actually get him out. But I could be wrong. I've had a very very hectic day, so I might I might not have my facts completely
straight on that. But and I've had a hectic day and have not been able to check anything in the news since this morning, so it could be me. We'll have to check it up on break. One of us is gonna have to google it and find out. You could be right. I uh, we're gonna We're gonna not do the right thing. We're gonna make sure that we hold on to the slim majority we have. It sounds like the way you that you think it went, and it easily could have gone
that way in this Congress. I mean, there's no there's no there's no morals or ethics among the Republicans in that Congress at all, I'm gonna mean, what what do you say, Chris? Okay, yeah, yeah, that majority is only four as it is, I believe, so if they if he goes, then it's down at three, and I think somebody else might. Oh and there's speculation too that Kevin McCarthy might leave Congress soon, which would then if if Santos goes and then McCarthy leaves, they'll be down
to a majority of two's. That's pretty rough. So I'm sure they I'm sure they don't want to get rid of Santos if they can help it. And unfortunately, his trial isn't until after he gets voted for again. Yeah, I believe his trial is enough in because he's up for re election in twenty twenty four, right, I think, oh yeah, the whole house. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I think that the way his election in date is sad. I mean, he's never going to get re elected in
that district. No, No, this is it for him. Yeah, this is his time, his time, his time to shine. It's right now. He's got to make the most of it. Yeah, and then do ah a return to Brazil probably or wherever it was that he came from at some point because they're going to be that. It's pretty good. With the charges they're lining up, he's that point's going to do jail time. I don't know. I can't get out of it. I can't believe he's not in prison already. I mean, how does the sky not be in
prison right now? I don't I don't understand. It's incredible. Yeah, I don't understand either. I mean, it's it's the slow it's the slowness of the judicial syst So yeah, because yeah, I mean, so what do you think you think Trust's going to get away with creating enough chaos that he doesn't actually go to trial for any of this stuff until after the election,
because that's that's the that's the strategy, clearly. Yeah. No, I don't think he'll I mean, I know Judge Eileen Cannon is happy to delay everything, but but she wants to be a Supreme Court justice probably once once Trump is able to appoint somebody. But uh no, I don't think he can avoid uh. I don't think he can avoid all these trials but before the election. But you know, but I agree that is the strategy,
certainly. But I mean, he's going to be the nominee and and I think no matter what I mean, even if he's in jail, he'll be the nominee and he might very well be president. I mean, it's it's very possible by and is continuing to tank and he doesn't seem to want to get out of the way. And you know, I agree with what Paul Ryan said a couple of months ago. Whichever party discards their respective very old man and put somebody younger in there, whichever party does it first will
win the election. But as long as the Republicans stick with Biden and the Democrats, I'm sorry. As long as the Republicans stick with Trump and the Democrats stick with Biden, could go either way. So who do you think If Trump okay, we'll be back. I'm sorry right after this break,
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Kevin Show. I'm here with Matt Connerton from Matt Connorton Unleashed. You can get more of Matt Monday through Friday four to six on WMNH ninety five point three if you're in the Manchester, New Hampshire area, or you can tune in at Matt connorton dot com or ipmnation dot com and you can either geek out with his politics or geek out with his bands and musicians, mostly local, but you know he is bringing all sorts of musical groups in these days
as well as discussing politics. So check it out again four to six Monday through Friday, Eastern Standard time. No matter where you are, you can always tune in at Matt Connorton dot com. So we were having a little bit of a discussion and off air about why Biden's numbers are taking because comparatively all the numbers of what this presidency has done should make him very high.
And you expressed and I which I want no stressure to relics. You think this is just strictly aged, right, I don't think it's only that I think he's got well, he's I think the age is a big problem because he I mean he even just since he's uh, since he was inaugurated, he just he seems older, he seems slower. He it's I mean, I saw him interviewed on sixty minutes recently and he just got uh, it's it's rough. And I hate to be agist, but you know, the
the energy just doesn't seem to be there. But it's not just that, I mean, he's in kind of a no win situation in terms of Israel versus some moss that gets that gets complicated. He's uh, you know, the economy, which is actually, you know, the fundamentals of the economy actually are excellent. Unemployment continues to be at a record low. The economy keeps growing, but inflation and inflation is down. It's it's stabilized, but
but it's still higher than people are used to. So, you know, no matter how many good things there are about the economy, if you're still feeling it when you buy groceries or you're putting gas in your car, then you know, that tends to make people think that the economy is much worse than it actually is so he's got that, And and Democrats are so bad
at messaging that that they can't even explain. And Biden specifically can't even explain to Americans why effectively why they should actually be happy with how the economy is going. So, you know, he's got some he's got some headwinds. But but the age is a big thing. I mean, he just you know, when it seems like, you know, when it seems like the world is on fire, you kind of want someone with some energy at the helm. I mean, that's that's the thing, you know. And and
Trump is only a few years younger, but Trump still seems robust. I mean, I don't like the guy, and I'll continue to support Biden over Trump. But but Trump, despite only being a few years younger, I mean, yeah, he got you know, he has some he might have some cognitive decline himself. It's like, you know, Chris was pointing out during the break, he can't seem to keep it straight, you know, who he's running against or who he defeated in twenty sixteen. You know,
Obama's name keeps popping out of his mouth for some reason. But but Trump doesn't seem he doesn't seem frail. He doesn't seem tired, he seems like his normal self. He definitely does not He's not the same Trump that he was in twenty sixteen. But but he just doesn't seem you know, he's not sleepy Joe. And so I think I think it's a I think that's a big problem for Biden. Also, there was polling data recently that showed
that with black Americans in South Carolina, Biden Biden's numbers are tanking. That's really bad for him because South Carolina. He owes his presidency to South Carolina. He came in fifth in New Hampshire last time. I think he did poor Lee and Iowa. South Carolina revived him. And I'm not saying that South Carolina is going to turn on him. You know, he'll he'll obviously he's going to be the nomine easy and coming president, so he'll carry South
Carolina in the primary. But but the fact that black Americans have kind of turned on him in South Carolina, that does not vote well for him at all. And this is no enthusiasm there. There's no excitement there for Biden. I mean, who you know what Democrat is excited about him? You know, and he's not even going to be on the ballot here in New Hampshire because the DNC insisted on trying to strong arm New Hampshire. So now he's just not going to be on the ballot here. So I'm probably gonna
vote for Mary Anne Williamson because she was on my show. I don't necessarily agree with her on everything, but she at least was on my show and came and talked to us. You know, Joe Biden hasn't, so even if he was on the ballot, I'd probably still vote for Mary Anne Williamson. Or maybe I'll vote for Dean Phillips if he comes in and sits down
and talks with us. But but yeah, I think Biden, I mean, you know, and Biden's legacy when it's all said and none, may end up being that he's the guy who beat Trump in twenty twenty only to hand the White House back to him in twenty twenty four. That's a real possibility that could happen. Oh, so that Trump can run his vengeance tour,
Yes, that's what it'll be. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Trump has already made it very clear he is going after anybody and everybody who he feels like was the least bit unloyal, and he is going to turn this in. He will turn this country into a dictatorship, oh as much as
he can. And they're already I mean, you already see some of the stuff where transfer you know, gonna you know, if he can own the House and or the Senate or both with Republicans, that they're going to pass their power over to the presidency and make it more of a dictator because that's what he wants. He said it. He's very clear, there's no mistake here right that this is his agenda. So, now Trump gets taken out of this for whatever reason, the mood do you see is likely to be
the nominee? Well, I mean, I don't think Trump's going to get taken out. I think Trump is the nominee. But hypothetically, if something were to happen to Trump, probably right now, Nicki Haley seems to be surgeing. I don't think it's I don't see DeSantis. I mean, DeSantis stagnated a while ago, and I think his numbers have been going down. Nicky Haley seems to be ascendant, so I think it would be her if
it's not Trump. I think it would be Nicky hay And does that cause the problem that a core group of Republicans that would be there to vote won't
want to vote for a woman? You know? That's it's interesting how that works, because if you talk to well, what I've noticed over the years, let me put it this way, is there are some Republicans who are so eager and anxious to prove that they're not racist or that they're not sexist, that they probably, regardless of how they might feel about it or whatever
reservations they may have, they would probably loudly support her. Not necessarily because they're enthusiastic about her, but because they want to be able to prove Oh look at what. Look at the left. They're always calling us racist, they're calling us sexist. But look here we are supporting Nikki Hayley. Almost a form of virtue signaling. So I don't know, I think. And by the way, I'm only just just to be clear, I don't want
to sound like I'm painting with too broad a brush here. I'm talking about a you know, a part of the Republican Party. I'm not talking about Republicans in general. I also think there are a lot of Republicans who would
have no problem of voting for a woman of color regardless. But I do think there are some Republicans who self consciously might have a problem with it, but they want to prove to the rest of us that they don't have a problem with it, so they'll, you know, they'll do what they have to do to try to prove that, even though deep down they might not
be so thrilled. Well, what would make me laugh my ass off, frankly, is if she did get the nomination, if somehow Trump the Supreme Court said that they supported Colorado and Michigan and Trump couldn't be on the ballot, you know, which I know is far fetched, but we don't know. The Supreme Court has definitely been unpredictable at times, and there are two states that are doing legal battles saying Trump cannot be there, Colorado and Michigan.
And you know that they would be like, okay, hey, nikki yy nikki, But when they get into the quiet of the ballot booths that they couldn't bring themselves to actually do it, like they'd can't it when it came time to check the box, then make all the noise, But in the privacy of the ballot box, they'd probably do Trump as a write in
candidate. If anybody but Trump, if anybody but Trump for any reason, Trump gets disqualified if anything happens, and I know that you you you look into your little crystal ball, which I thought was my thing, and don't see how that could happen. But if it did happen, I Trump would be telling everybody to write his name in and that would completely tank whoever the Republican candidate was. You know, Uh, that never occurred to me.
But now that you say that you're onto something there, I think I can see that happening. I can definitely see that happening, and that would and that would throw that would definitely throw the election to Biden. If all of a sudden you have millions of Mega A loyalists writing in Trump if he's not actually on the ballot, that's that's a that's an interesting scenario, Doctor Kevin. Again, I never would have thought of that, But you're onto something
there. That would be that would be fascinating to see see that play out. Yeah, we've talked about the rumors. We don't have any substantiation. But if Biden is waiting until the last minute to say that he's decided to step aside and try to make a crown prince or princess be the Democratic nominee, because it's not too late to do that. Yeah, it's getting close, getting close to too late. But yeah, if if he were to do that, who do you see he would slide into that slot? Or
who would you like to see him slide into that slot? Well, from what I understand, I mean, there's there's been reporting that Kamala Harris is not going anywhere and that she's not going to step aside, you know, so it would probably be her, it would have to be her. If not her, I mean, if not her, I think Gavin Newsom, who I think is running for president, but you know, in twenty twenty
eight. But I think he's getting things set up now, and I think he's getting things set up now with the idea that he's running in twenty eight, but he'll be ready if needed for twenty four. But I don't know. I mean, there aren't a lot of people have any enthusiasm for particularly because you know, I'm an independent and I don't like either party, so it's hard for me to really get enthusiastic enough to say, you know, I think so and so should should be the person. But and I'm such
a square peg politically, but I don't know. But I mean, Gavin Newsom seems like he's ready to do it, you know what I mean. He seems ready to go Okay, So what else? What else in the political sphere have you been talking about on your show? What else is up? What are the big conversations? Well, funny you should ask, because doctor Kevin and you don't you don't know this yet because this is a recent
development. But my show, at least the show that I do, the version of the show that I do here at WM and H. And I say here because I'm still at the station, we're actually we've been phasing out politics and we're kind of transforming into more more music interviews and interviews with authors and comedians and so forth, and the political aspect of the show is being phased out. So we're not talking about politics much here at WM and H
at this point, which is probably a big surprise to hear that. But so we're actually going to be we're actually going to be starting something separate though online, because you know, I have a junkie. So Jenny and I are kind of trying to figure out what that's going to be, what it's going to look like, you know, have the platform to do that on But I got to tell you this week, we've really not talked about politics
much on my show. Believe it or not, I'm not as surprised as you would think I would be. Yeah, the more you brought in the music, and the more that the music made you happy and the politics made you frustrated and depressed, Yeah, I could see as a mental health issue that you might need to not be talking a lot of politics too. At times. I really unbalanced people because really brings out all the nutcases. Yeah, and as the show has kind of evolved over the past year, the
feedback and the response to it has been really positive. People really like the direction the show has been going. So we're kind of gonna going to keep going in that direction more and more. And you know, I mean, if somebody calls, you know, if somebody calls the studio line and wants to talk about something political, that's fine, But generally we're just kind of leaning away from that almost entirely at this point. Yeah, Like I said,
I'm not all that surprised. I'm assuming that, especially if you're going to do some you know, if you did some political junkie thing and through the internet once a week, maybe that wouldn't be too bad. I think ten hours we really got the best of you, and not in a good way. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a great shift. I think it's a great shift for your mental and emotional health. And you do know an author, so let me know when you want the
author to come on. Yes, because I always went on and I never really discussed politics. I usually discussed either classes I was teaching, or my books or stuff like that. So yeah, so I think it's great. I'm assuming I'm not going to lose you here once a month to come on
and shoot the ship about politics. Oh of course. Yeah. I mean, uh, you know, I'm gonna need to I'm gonna need to shoot the ship about politics someplace if I'm not doing it on my show, So you know, absolutely, So what else do you think that's going on politically that we're not talking enough about or you have a different view on or you say this is where there something's missing, something's out. What else is going on? Because you are a political junkie. So even if you're not talking
about it on air, you're tracking it. So tell me what else in our last few minutes we have? What else do you think is a hot topic out there we should be looking at more. You know, I kind of think this might be an unpopular opinion, but something that we had been talking about, and I guess as we h it kind of circles back to
Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House. You know, I've said on my show, and I don't remember if I if I said this previously on your program, but you know, as much, there's a lot of blame to go around, in my opinion for him, for this Christian nationalist, very conservative guy who probably has no problem with government shutdowns and defaults and other horrible things, you know, insurrection and so forth. There's there's a lot of
blame to go around here. And you know, Republicans obviously, a lot of Republicans are furious with Matt Gates and and the other seven there, but and and some are fine with it obviously, but uh, you know, I remember Kevin McCarthy kind of blaming it all on the Democrats because they voted with uh with Gates and the others to oust him. And of course Democrats blame it all on the House Republicans, but I actually think there's some blame
to go around. I think that the core of the blame should go to the core of the problem, which is Matt Gates, and you know Matt Gates of the of the Crazy Eight there of course, and you know it's I almost say to say, inmates running the asylum because it's such a cliche, but it is, it is true, and it holds up. However, I would also say the Democrats, I feel, carry some blame in
this as well. And what I've often said on my show is, you know, until recently, I haven't said it this week, but what I've often said on my show is, you know, if I understand why the Democrats chose not to rescue Kevin McCarthy, I totally get it. And if somebody's drowning and you see someone drowning, you should still save them. I understand you could be forgiven if you maybe hesitate for you know, a nanosecond.
If as that person is drowning, they're yelling at you that they hate you and they wish you were drowning instead of them, and they're flipping you off the whole time, you know, instead of instead of yelling, please help me, you know, so you know, I could understand someone maybe not wanting, you know, or maybe just stopping and thinking, do I really want to save this guy? Well, yeah, he's drowning, I should save him. I think that I think they should have saved him.
I understand all the reasons they didn't. I understand the merits of their arguments against saving Kevin McCarthy, But honestly, I think for the good of the country they should have done it anyway. Because I knew this was going to happen. I could see through to the end of this. You oustd Kevin McCarthy the devil, you know, And now we have Mike Johnson who is far more dangerous than Kevin McCarthy on his worst day. Don't get me wrong,
Kevin McCarthy sucks, but Kevin McCarthy. We do know a couple positive things about Kevin McCarthy, two that I can think of offhand. One Kevin McCarthy thinks government shutdowns are bad, and two Kenan McCarthy understands that for the country to default on our debt and go over the fiscal cliff would be very, very bad. Those are two things Kevin McCarthy understands. I don't think these are things that Mike Johnson necessarily understands. And the House Republicans that are
enthusiastic about a guy like Mike Johnson. So the Democrats in not saving Kevin McCarthy, I understand why they didn't, but I really wish that they had, and frankly, I really think that they should have, and I don't want to let them off the hook. You know, it's easy to blame the dysfunction going on among the House Republicans, and again that is the core issue. That is the You know, if you're going to make a list of people to blame, Matt Gates should be number one on the list,
and the other seven idiots right after him. But I think the Democrats should be on that list too. They helped, and in doing so, they ultimately made things worse, because now we've got somebody even worse there who really is a genuine danger to the country. I never felt that Kevin McCarthy was an actual danger to the country. Mike Johnson is, in my view, and the Democrats played a role in making this happen, and I just I'm curious what you think about that, but that that's my feeling on it.
I feel there's a lot of blame to go around here, and this could have been avoided. Well, just like McCarthy was playing and they horrible eight were playing to their base and their voters. I think that Democrats in swing districts that were caught saving Kevin McCarthy and would would fear that it was bounced back on them in the polls. And if Kevin started counting on the fact that the Democrats were going to show up because they were afraid of a worse
person, that that would be leveraged against them in crucial ways. That would not make the throwover of the House so such a positive thing, you know, like you know, like you said, you're pretty sure at this point we're talking about a major you know that they've lost the house with the Shenanigans, and so I have to say part of the strategy I understand is McCarthy was clearly like, I will if you saved me, I will not be
grateful, I will not be helpful. I'm still going to think you and all of the Democrats that voted to save McCarthy would get painted with that brush at getting voted in time. So I thought there was a little bit of a I'm not going to risk my skin for you when you won't even say.
Look, there's enough moderate Republicans and enough Democrats that if I make these deals with the minority speaker and they let me stay, and I do it in good faith and showed that we could work as a coalition, I think the Republicans probably would would probably still lose the House, but might not have because he was so foul mouthed. How do you go back and say to
your voting base. Well, I was afraid it'd be a worse choice, so I backed him, even though he was saying horrible things, blaming us, and then he went on to push through unpopular legislation because we left him in place. Yeah, that's no, that's very fair and valid. I
take your point. I guess my counterpoint to that argument would be if Democrats were better at messaging and communicating, which I always complain they're horrible at, but if they could message and communicate more effectively with voters, I would I mean, if it were me in that situation, and I were voting to save McCarthy, I would I would as articulately and clearly as I could.
I would explain to my constituents here's why I did it, because I'm afraid of what the alternative would have been, and it would have been somebody worse. And I would have just tried to hammer that message home as as plainly as I could. But you know democrats, you know they trip all over themselves trying to explain anything that involves nuance. So what can you do? Wow, well, talking about a month? All right, sounds good.
I hear the music playing, so thank you as always, and let's see if we can, you know, have something interesting happen we can discuss in the next thirty days, shall we? Yes? Indeed, thanks doctor Kevin. Bye, ty buy