Islamic & Woke Ideologies are DESTROYING the UK: Andrew Gold

Shakespeare, oh he's racist. Churchill, racist. We're in trouble and the grooming gang is just the tip of the- A lot of the left were pushing for adult-child relations. There would be countless Labour officials who are implicated in the grooming gangs. Very intelligent people will believe that women, literally women, have got penises. You witnessed a man suck another man's dick in the street one day. It was quite harrowing. I actually started crying afterwards. Fucking wow. Let's talk about ti-

Allowing a man to fight in the women's Olympics. Beating up all the women and everybody just applauding what a brave woman this man was. I mean, it's fucking... Muslim students praying. They've got to pray during 9 to 5 at school today. They can pray at home. It's not a little minority. It's 2 billion people across 50 odd countries. Tyrannical regimes where people are thrown off of buildings. People do have their arms A lot of us will be either leaving the country or preparing for civil war.

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Hello. How the devil are you, sir? Really good. We're finally meeting. At long last. And the thing is, I am sport for choice with you. You have done such great work. You're a multilingual documentary maker. Journalist, controversial YouTube host with your own successful podcast. And you've done some great things in your life. Some things that are going to make people's ears.

prick up but we're not going to come to that yet i just want to get i want to get a feel for where you are with with the country at the moment because a lot of people are concerned i heard you say that you think the uk has got maybe seven years left before it's gone. What did you mean? Well, thank you for the kind words, firstly. Lovely. And it's lovely to be here. And what I meant on our launch into the pessimistic side.

We'll arc it. Okay. Everything's good. Everything's fine. It's lovely and sunny outside. However, in a number of years, a very short number of years, we've got, okay, what, three or four years to the next election? Four years. I think four years. And another, what is it, four or five to after that. My issue here, I guess I am going into it quite quickly, is multiculturalism.

particularly regarding Islam. Doesn't mean that the average Muslim person, that there's any problem with them or they've got any kind of issue against the UK. But as an ideology, as a force, it is... It has precedence in other countries of becoming larger and larger and then taking over. We've seen that happen. The best way to learn about who we are today is to look at our past. It's so cyclical.

So we can see in Iran, we can see in Lebanon, Afghanistan. These are all countries that, if you see the photos of the 1960s, there's like women at the beach, like topless, like walking around like today. Unimaginable. Somehow, everyone's forgotten that. I don't, I don't, but I can't fathom it. It should be at the front of our brains at all times. Remember how Afghanistan and Iran were in the 1960s.

They had their problems, of course. People would be going, hang on, you don't want to... They had their issues. Islam got in, political Islamism. It was helped by the left. The left thought, oh, look at this minority. We're going to overturn the Shah or whoever else, which, you know, that's a reasonable point as well. But they got the Islamists into power. and the next minute all the leftists were killed.

They killed the leftist the next day. So leftist, it's like the scorpion and the frog. You know the scorpion and frog? The scorpion says, can you take me across the river? And the frog goes, but you're going to sting me. And he goes, no, I won't. Because then I'll drown as well. So the frog's like, seems pretty reasonable. So he goes, all right, hop on, I'll take you across the river. Going across the river, scorpion stings.

And they're both drowning. And the frog goes, why'd you do that? And the scorpion goes, because I'm a scorpion. So as much as we want to believe everybody is on the same page as us, Unfortunately, the leftists have shown they got Islam into power, like the frog helped the scorpion, and the scorpion stung it, which is Islam stung the leftists, killed them all the next day. 40, 50 years later, we're sitting here with another bunch of leftists.

They're humans, just like the humans in Iran, just like the humans in Afghanistan. They have the same brains. They do the same things. They're trying to get Muslims now, or Islamism, into power. They're trying to help them to do that. and they will be killed right after. You and me, we better not be anywhere near this country when that happens. So...

I don't think in three years there's going to be a large enough population of Muslims in the country. I'm not sure about seven or eight years. That might be our last sort of chance. the next election, 13, 14 years down the line. It's hard to predict the future, but that is the time where I would say a lot of us will be either leaving the country or preparing for civil war.

Yeah, it's a very frightening future what may lay ahead. And if you look at the trajectory, it's kind of irrefutable that that is where we're heading. Do you think Keir Starmer... has heard the story about the scorpion and the frog and what are your views on him as a as a person

You know, I almost don't want to have a go at him because everybody on both sides is, and it's almost too easy to do. The thing with him, I think what spoke to his character more than anything, there was this Supreme Court decision about trans. And they sort of came to this idea, this crazy idea that actually, you know, men and men and women and women, which we knew all along. care over the years.

has said things like, well, not only women have cervixes and not only men have penises. These are things that, although many of our colleagues and friends might have said somehow over the last five years, you know, a woman can have... we know to be absolutely bonkers. I cannot think of a more insane thing to say. It's almost as if they're winding us up. They're going like, what's the maddest thing we can annoy people with? Let's say women have penises. It's ridiculous.

And for somebody who is the leader of the country to go along with. You want them to be a bit more mature. But what we found with the Supreme Court decision was Keir finally felt emboldened enough to come out and actually side with reality. He finally said, well, of course, you know, men and men and women, or whatever he's exactly said. His arm was forced. His arm was forced, but also how pathetic, I think, that you have to wait for the court of law to tell you.

and what that implies to me is if we ever were in some kind of regime some sort of authoritarian regime where the laws were you know Orwell famously it was 2 plus 2 equals 5 you had to believe 2 plus 2 equals 5 to be part of the party you made yourself believe It takes a special kind of authoritarian. And I think Keir has shown he has it. He can believe women have penises. That's the same as 2 plus 2.

until the law changes. And then the law changes and now he's on side with whatever the law says. So what if you live in a country where the law says you throw gay people off of buildings? What if you live in a country that has Sharia law? While Keir goes, well, let me consult the law book. And that's it. So I think he's a cowardly man. He's a vacuous, empty...

just soulless entities, the kind of person we would have hated at school. You can imagine either a teacher or a student, just this kind of blank slate onto which the deep state or whatever it is can project their own laws and their own decisions and madness. I think he's not necessarily evil, I think he's just nothing. considering he's our leader I mean I'm not a psychotherapist but I've often wondered is he a sociopath

Is he a narcissistic maniac? Is he autistic? Is he ill? I mean, not once have I thought, is he a good person? He's not given me a single indication or led me to believe that he's actually a decent, wholesome human being. I think there's something... Something dark. There's a dark underbelly to him and It's not just his disproportionate response to the Southport massacre, for example, but when you're not prepared to get that national inquiry underway.

like hundreds of thousands of young British white girls systematically raped on an industrial scale and everybody wants that inquiry. People want answers, people need to be held to account, people need to go to jail.

uh for their negligence and purposeful blind eyes which is very good at the glooming game cover-up for example what are your thoughts on that because this i know a lot of people keep beating that drum but i think it's a very important drum to beat because we can't let parliament forget that your average person on the street in the uk wants

wants justice, clarity, answers and honesty to that. And so if I don't like to pass an opportunity, if we can just bring a little bit of awareness to people, don't forget, don't let that go. There's a reason that so often the right or the centre-right associates itself as this kind of anti, we call them PDF files on my show because YouTube doesn't let you say the words. You know, people who fancy children.

There's a reason the right is often, I mean, you must have seen this in sort of right-wing groups. It's always like, let's get those bastards, you know. And that is partly because of the tribal relations between the left and the right. You know, the left hates the right, so they pick on the right, but they're all racist. or the right says to the left, you're all... but they're a boat they definitely exist The left is constantly trying to be original and definite.

and smart and intelligent or whatever and it leads them sometimes to good things like I think equality for gay people and maybe gay marriage or whatever you know everyone has a different sometimes good things, sometimes they're way off, such as the trends. In the 1980s, 70s and 80s, a lot of the left were pushing for adult-child relations. So Foucault was an example, I think Sartre. A lot of the French philosophers were really...

In Germany, have you heard of the Kentler experiments? No. So Berlin, they had two problems, big problems. One, they didn't know what to do with these. abusers and two they had too many homeless

You might have seen this, yeah, Helmut Kentler. He was a psychologist. This could be one of the questions I had in mind for you, so go on, carry on. Okay, great. Well, yeah, he was very much associated with the left, the Green... and it's still a stain on the green part of what he did, but he decided the best option would be find these boys homes, we'll give them foster homes with the known abuse.

So, as you can imagine, what happened was those kids were just abused beyond imagination. There's just nobody looking out after them. They were put together with these abusers deliberately, and now they're all anonymous, these kids. They're adults now. And just their lives are utterly ruined. And still today, people in Berlin, the government, the politicians in Berlin, refuse to properly look in.

for exactly the same reason that Starmer and Labour don't want to look into the grooming gangs because they are culpable. They let this happen and they are... So it won't just be Starmer. And that's because, I don't want to give too much, I mean, we've seen that, I don't know if you watch the thick of it about the politicians and all that, the comedy show, but you see they don't have that much power, the guys at the top. Liz Truss came on Heretics.

how little she could do when she was there because of the people behind her because of the deep state there would be countless labor officials and probably some outside of labor i'm sure who are implicated in the grooming and they will be pushing Keir with everything they have, perhaps even blackmailing him, who knows what, to stop him looking into this. The other part is...

Labour have now appealed as much as they can to people who don't hold Labour's ideals. I mean, Labour's supposed to be this lefty, liberal party. And they have started more and more to appeal to minorities, while minorities tend not to be big lefties, particularly Muslims. These are far-right religious fundamentalists who Labour have started to appeal to. And if they lose that vote, they're gone.

So that's why they don't want to look into this any further. Firstly, because they're going to be implicated. Keir Starmer, who's long been high up, he was a prosecutor as well, I'm sure will be implicated in some sense. Loads of Labour people, MPs, would probably lose their jobs or actually go to prison. for what I've done and should

That's why they won't do it. Do you get much backlash for speaking out against Islam? Yes and no. I mean, the interesting thing is, when I've been cancelled from a lot of different things, I'm sure we'll get on to it, it tends to be that people point towards the LGBT stuff. It's because I've spoken...

That tends to be the reason when I, for example, I was supposed to speak at the Tate Gallery about a book I had out. I was very excited about it. Suddenly, invitation withdrawn because of what I've been saying on YouTube. It tends to be the trance. I think people secretly agree about Islam. They are very scared right now, but no one will say anything. Now, one thing I don't ever do, and some do, and fair play to them, I don't lay into the religious...

Because I think that's when you get in trouble. That's what Salman Rush... So he wrote in the Satanic Verses, there's a scene in it that Salman wrote where he implies that Mohammed was basically going behind a bush pretending to speak. Allah, and then coming back and saying, yeah, yeah, he says I can have two wives now, he says this, he says that. He basically mocked their scriptures. Now, in a functioning society, you should be able to mock.

absolutely anything from Christianity, Judaism, Islam, whatever. I won't do it because I don't want to put my family at risk. I don't want to live the life that Salman Rushdie lived, eventually getting stabbed in the eye after 20 years of being in high. and throat and everything, horrible what happened to him.

I try and stay away from that. I sort of veer my guests away from that. I don't want that going out because I also think, okay, we can argue all day about Mohammed. A lot of people say things about this and that. I don't think that's the argument we need to win here. The argument is this is a liberal island, a liberal country. And I talk about liberal as in, you know, do as you want, have a gay love.

to be with a Jew and a Christian and so on. You know, those kinds of liberal values. And they are being eroded by this huge influence. So I don't get too much shit from it. And I get a lot of, I think too many of us are speaking. for them to focus on one So I think it's just stay away from the religious texts. I mean, some people do, and I respect their bravery. That's interesting that speaking out against the trans ideology is what's got you in the biggest trouble.

I've heard you refer to the trans ideology as a cult and there wouldn't be many people more qualified to grade it as a cult than you because of your previous work with your exorcism work. You consider Islam a cult. You've also took a deep dive into Scientology. Link all them up for me how they qualify as a cult and what is a cult on the whole. What people like to hear is like a binary response. Ironically the opposite.

So binary being yes or no. So we actually are on the binary side with regards to trans, right? He's a man or a woman, whereas they say no, everything's a... That's bollocks, okay? However, there are definitely topics that don't have a yes or no. cults is one of them so is that a cult is it not a cult is it a religion is it a belief system what is it there's a great book i read by a writer called amanda montel who's a linguist and it's called cultish and i really like

describing what a cult is. They tend to have, for example, a charismatic leader. Islam doesn't really have Scientology does. So, Scientology maybe is more of a cult in some respects. Is Scientology more dangerous than Islam? I don't think so, because four or five people have died.

horrifically, in very horrible circumstances. But we're talking about millions and millions in Islam for speaking against the religion, for being gay, you get thrown off of buildings. That kind of stuff isn't even close to happening in Scientology. That's not to say... So you have a charismatic leader, you have a way of, you separate people in the clan to those outside. So Scientology is not really allowed to speak to their family outside. They would dispute.

you are told there's only one right way this is the way you have to be okay to trans we don't have one leader at the top but you could argue okay but a lot of the celebrities the celebrities They are leaders who all together create. lead this fashion, those who join it are encouraged to separate themselves from their families. They constantly do. They use something called a thought-terminating cliche.

A Scientologist will be taught that if somebody is saying something to them that doesn't sound right or doesn't seem to agree with their scripture, you call them a suppressive person. And that means you don't have to ever listen to anything.

So, well, trans, it would be tough. So if you're trying to have a conversation, often with a teenager, and you're saying... this isn't right, blah, blah, blah, let me explain to you from a liberal perspective why this is a deeply illiberal idea, the idea that men should be going into women's toilets and women's space. and they can't hear the logic because all they're hearing, all they're thinking is tough, tough, tough, tough, subversive person. I've never heard tough.

Trans, exclusionary, radical feminist TERF. Right, so that's their go-to to shut you down. The queen of the TERFs would be JK Rowling. That's what they would call you, they would call me, we are TERFs. And that is their go-to. So that basically spares them the... the laborious task of explaining in detail as to why

Women can have a penis. Yeah, they don't have to anymore because it's just like, it doesn't matter how mad the idea is. There's another great book called The Intelligence Trap by David Robson, and it's about how even really smart... particularly very small

can be led to believe crazy things. And it's often because they're so smart or so intelligent that they're better able to convince themselves of mad things. And the key example, perfect example, is Arthur Conan Doyle, who wrote Sherlock Holmes. So he's obviously a genius. He's written Sherlock Holmes. He's the master of deduction. He's a clever guy. And he believed in fairies because some girls had done a prank and they put up. in the 1930s. of two fairies and he started to believe in them.

And they had put the Pictures of Fairies app with like a drawing pin. And the pin he thought was a belly button. So he starts theorising about how wild fairies can give birth. Because they've got belly buttons, that means fairies give birth. He's saying all this stuff. This guy's like a genius of his time. Is he being serious? 100% serious. And he fell out with the magician Houdini. They were good mates. And Houdini was like an atheist, very secular. And they fell out about differing.

But the point is really smart people can lead themselves astray and convince themselves of completely insane things. So Scientology, I mean most Scientologists don't actually know. say, but they believe that evil Lord Xenu on another planet was suffering with overpopulation on his planet. So he sent billions of people to Earth for some reason and threw them all into volcanoes.

And out of the volcanoes, their souls came up. And then he put all of their souls into a cinema and showed them movies about psychiatry and Christianity and Judaism to force them to believe. because he was evil and those souls have now entered human bodies I mean it's fucking mental they believe but very intelligent people believe The trans thing. Very intelligent people will believe that women, literally women, have got penis.

Just one more thing on Scientology, because anyone that doesn't know... sort of where I'm actually based but I grew up in an area very close to Saint Hill, which is Scientology's headquarters. So we have John Travolta flying in relatively regular, Tom Cruise, some of his close relatives work nearby me. I've always and I've had friends that have turned to Scientology as well and they changed.

in pretty quick succession in their mentality and how they would actually perceive their fellow man. All of a sudden they were so elevated and superior and... kind of unrecognizable to the person I knew them before and so that that change in personality They must have, well, I think they call it drilling, didn't they, where they just drill you with kind of brainwashing literature and seminars. But it's the thing you said about four or five decades.

Is that four or five murders for speaking against the church? No, they don't tend to murder people. There are rumours about that they've done that to people's pets, that they've poisoned them. Things happened. The biggest example is Lisa McPherson, who, she seemed to be struggling with her mental health. I mean, she was sort of big into Scientology and big part of it. and we don't know exactly what was happening to her, but there's this belief in Scientology that comes from the top that you...

When people are having a mental breakdown or a mental episode, you lock them in a room with no food and water. Somebody has to sit outside and guard. And I think that's what was going on. I haven't thought about this for a while, so I might be getting some of the facts wrong. So people in the comments, please do.

She started to get iller and iller, not eating, having some kind of breakdown. We don't know entirely what was wrong with her. And eventually, when it was way too late, they decided... to a doctor but my understanding is this was a really panicking rushing time she's dying and they drove past three hospitals they could have taken her to to take her to the four doctor and she died so it's through negligence that people die rather than as I say like punishing

they tend to just annoy you and knock on your door and they ruin Every Scientologist who's left, if you type their name in, there's like a whole website. It looks like it's their website. So you're like, oh, I'm on this guy's website. And it's like, so-and-so has assaulted his wife and has done this.

So even though there's dangers about speaking against Islam, although you don't speak about the scripture itself, I mean, you're still treading a fine line because you don't know who you're going to upset. And we know that there's... you know, radicals, well, far too many radicals amongst that ideology. And also you've got the trans terrorists. So even though you know that speaking out against Islam and the trans community can either get you killed or can...

One or both, depending on how lucky you are. And also, wokeism. So you push back and fight against all these things, and all of those topics put you in danger. What compels you to keep fighting against it? That's a great question. You know, is it just stubbornness? Am I just stubborn and just obstinate? Just idiots, you know? It really winds me up when I find myself in the midst of a cult. I know since I was young...

I had always been misbehaving at school. I got in loads of trouble. I'm sure you did as well. Oh, yes. Yeah. You know, those are the personalities. They lead you to YouTube, don't they? You need to become a YouTuber because you can't fit in anywhere else. I'll get a job now. No. After, oh, my God, my reputation at that school I was at, I mean.

I was the first person, it was a posh school, sort of public school, you know, but not in the American sense public school in England, like a super private. And I was the first person in sort of 500 years to sign a contract. speaking class that I would have if I had a question I had to write

and go to the teacher afterwards and sort of give it to them and not say anything. Because I just wouldn't shut up. So that was there since I was young. I'm Jewish, I had to go to sort of, and I say had to because I've always been an atheist. But I had to go to Sunday school for Jews, and I had to learn how to read Hebrew, which is cool that I can do that now. I don't know what it means, but I can read the hieroglyphics out loud.

Even then, the rabbi's telling me, you know, and then Jonah, Jonah was then eaten by a whale, and he lived in the whale, and I'm sitting there like, I'm seven years old, and I'm going, shut up. Sounds like Pinocchio. Yeah, well, I think it must all come from the same kind of, you know, they probably take one from the other. But I'm just like, what? And people will say, oh, no, it's just an allegory or it's just a metaphor. Well, why didn't they teach it?

They taught me that that happened. No, it didn't. Jonah was not inside a whale. I'm not having a... So, and by the way, I respect people who have religions. I know a lot of people watching will be religious. Absolutely fine. As long as no one's pushing their beliefs on other people, I don't want to push atheism on other people either. Like, you know, most of my friends believe in something. So good luck.

But then, even then, I was like, this rabbi, I'm not having it. I'm not having it. So on my old channel, I had an old channel, I was telling you before, I did a lot on Scientology, and I did a lot on other cults, Hasidic Judaism. Now, you might say it's not a cult, it's an extreme religion. uh mormons jehovah's witnesses all the different you know i found them all fascinating but if i did one about islam everyone went So it's not just you've got to worry about you know,

People, you know, you have to worry about self-policing from within the sort of white community. People saying... to me like oh you're an Islamophobe you wouldn't do that about Jews and I was like I've done like 50 about the Hasidic Jews why do you ignore this and the same with trans I saw that this was culty what could be cultier than saying you know

women are men and men are women what could be cultier than allowing a man to fight in the women's Olympics as happened last summer beating up all the women winning by a landslide and everybody just applauding what a brave woman this man was. It's culty. So I very calmly dipped my toe in that water as well. I was like, I'm doing the Mormons, I'm doing this and that. Why don't I do something on trans? Everyone went men.

Islamophobe, TERF, this, that. And that was the moment I went, right, starting a new channel. I'm going to do Heretics and it's going to be... to talk about and it makes me feel good like I'm achieving something but as I'm sure you feel as well a bit scared I'm kind of when it's there then my legs start to shake but I just feel morally obligated to

I don't know, just put something out there that gives people reassurance and let them know they're not alone because I know you and me will know this because we will get private messages. Bye-bye. the hundreds with people saying things saying i wish i could say this in public but i can't because i lose my job or I'll be outcast in my social circle. So I know that people are too scared to speak against the things that we're actually directly under attack.

from so i'm going to come back to the islamophobic slurs and probably racial slurs that will go with that after i've asked Because I'm an atheist as well. But our minds work very differently. I know I'm an atheist because I don't believe in God or any God. Despite respecting Christian culture, I think we should because we live in the UK.

We don't really want any other religious culture taking over. But for me, I don't believe in God because my gut tells me that. I've just got a gut feeling that says he doesn't exist. It's far too far-fetched. I believe there was a guy called Jesus and he done wonderful things. I can't see anybody coming back from the dead after being hung out to dry on a cross.

with the greatest respect so for me it seems too far-fetched if I haven't seen it I can't believe it don't get me wrong there's been times where I've been on my knees desperate for answers and I'd love to have found God but I haven't but I can't really articulate it in any other way than just my gut says no, but I've got a feeling that you'll be able to articulate why you're atheist better than I can. Well, you know that, do you know Pascal's way...

Pascal's Wage is that thing that says you should believe in God and there's four choices basically. Either you don't believe in God and God doesn't exist. You don't believe in God and God doesn't. You're screwed. You believe in God and God doesn't exist. Who cares? You know, you thought he was and he isn't. You believe in God and God does exist. Well done, right? So they say to you, you should believe in God because if there is a God and you believe in him, you'll go to heaven.

And if there is a God and you don't believe, then you're screwed. You're going to go to hell because you don't believe in him and he's out there, so you should believe. My answer to that is, yeah, but you can't make yourself believe. or you don't as you just said about your gut you don't believe it extraordinary claims require extraordinary And I live by that. So if somebody wants to tell me about the trans stuff, about the Islam stuff, or about God, I would say, that's a huge claim.

It's not about us not believing. It's that they do believe. Christians, Jews, Muslims, whoever, they do believe. They have to tell us why. It's not up to us to tell us why not. It's an extraordinary claim. There's a fellow up there who's watching everything we do. That one guy came back from the dead. These are really extraordinary claims. So the evidence has to be really compelling. There is nothing else in our society.

whereby we would say, oh, well, what's the evidence for this light bulb working? There was a book written 2,000 years ago where someone said lights work. You'd never accept a book from 2,000 years ago as evidence for any claim that someone makes today. except for some reason we do with that. Now I understand why people believe in God because it's really sad the idea there's nothing out there or there's no purpose to life and I don't really have an answer.

Sometimes we don't have answers. We're patency. We're trying to find answers and we want to go, that's the reason, that's why we're here, and so on. Maybe there's some sort of creator. Maybe we're in a simulation. Elon Musk reckons that it's more likely we are in a simulation than not. In fact, he said it's almost impossible that we're not in a simulation.

which is astounding to even think of. Maybe there's a God in the real world and those people created a simulation and we're in that now. And I have to admit, I mean... The more I get to know things, I suppose the smarter I become, the more I realise, the less I knew. So you kind of think, well, in 20 years' time, the things that I completely denounce now and just won't even entertain.

Maybe something will appear and say you were wrong this whole time and the thing is with me like you I leave a little bit of space in my brain for doubt I could be wrong. Nothing would make me happier. I'm the same as you. God pops down and says, hey, I would absolutely love you. No. So, Onyx, I have seen people in the past suggest that you could be Islamophobic or racist. And I'm thinking, well, why on earth would they think that than I saw your interview with Ennio...

Has it got anything to do with that? Tell me a little bit about that interview for people who haven't seen it because I would suggest they do because it makes great viewing and it kind of puts a bit of perspective into the whole. madness of where we're at right now. So Enia Luko is a black women's football pundit and former footballer. I gather she was pretty good. I think she played for Juventus and Chelsea. And I think she studied law, so she's got strings to her bow.

And I want to be fair to her, that's why I say that. And we had this big debate on DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion, which is a big push from all the TV channels, all the entire employment market, everybody to make sure that we have an exact... correct number of black people, Asians, white

trans people, disabled people, that correlates with the wider society. I suppose it's a nice urge, it's a nice feeling, because it's like, you know, we don't want people to be left out. It's a strange thing, though, because, I mean, there's no other country in the world outside of Othello. There's no other place. You couldn't go to Japan and start arguing why or why.

these jobs why are there no white people in government no matter how many you know how it would be absurd they would laugh at you and go what are you talking about I lived in Argentina for six years and I knew I'm foreign here. And even my kids won't have the same kind of knowledge of Argentina if they were raised in Argentina as other Argentinians. But I don't expect them to make an exception for me. I just have to be extra good because I'm foreign. Anyway, that's how I feel about DEI.

starting the media I made this film which I think we're talking about about exorcism and I was told afterwards because you're a man with white skin take your videos anymore but you need to be It's a disgraceful thing. And so I think I interviewed Joey Barton, the former footballer, about some of this stuff.

piped up, tweeted. You wouldn't have me on, though, would you? You'd never have someone like me on your show, which is always a feeling I think she has of, like, everyone's against me, they'd never...

what are you talking about? I'd love to have you on the show. I can't think of anything better. Come on the show. And she went, all right. I was like, oh, great. So yeah, she came on. Usually in podcasts, you have people who are on the same team as you because it's not like a documentary where you go off.

Ukraine and you're talking to people you're having people who are your so it was a privilege really to get to speak to someone on the other side who was open enough and brave enough to come on But she, I think, and she refused this, I think it was a car crash, an absolute car crash. because she just showed she failed to understand any of this stuff. She...

made exceptions for herself. She said, you've got to believe me, like, they wouldn't have taken me without DEI policies because I'm black, blah, blah, blah. But when I told her, well, look what happened to me because I've got white skin, she intimated that she didn't believe.

And those woke people are always saying, oh, believe all victims, believe all this. She didn't believe me. So that was a back and forth we had. Now, recently, the other day, she got in trouble because she said that Ian Wright and other... is taking up too much space in the women's game. After saying that women should be in the men's game, she now doesn't want men to be in the women's.

Although I don't know what she thinks about trans because they don't seem to mind that men, if they wear a wig, can be in the women's game and play the fucking game with them. I thought it was a silly thing to say. She got in loads of trouble. had to be cancelled from certain events and things. Ian Wright said he refused. Which I think is a bit stern, really. He shouldn't say the worst thing in the world. He could have... I don't like what you're saying.

And I made another video about it and I sort of explained that she's a type of personality and people don't like her. And I get it. But she's just always on at you. She comes for you. And I quite like that scrappiness about her. I think she's utterly wrong on everything. But I like that kind of scrappy fighter about her. And I explained that eventually I had to block her on WhatsApp because every time I spoke about her or this issue or whatever, I was getting, like getting her messaging me.

And eventually it was just too much. I said, you know, I'm on holiday with my wife. And she's going, is that any again, is it? Bloody hell. So I blocked her on WhatsApp. But then she just started iMessaging me. Couldn't get around it.

after this video yesterday while I said sent me another i message starts messaging oh you're saying you blocked me out yeah and i was like any i've defended you as well you know but she's just a character and and she's a product of what happens when you have minorities in a country Firstly, when you don't have a culture that anyone's proud enough about for minorities such as black people, Jews, whoever else.

to hang their hat on and say, I've moved to England, this is what England is, those English people are bloody proud. If I move to France, I want the French to be really proud of their culture and for me to then become part of that. Get some baguettes and fucking berets and all that.

Get some nice cheese. You know, I'll go to Spain. Oh, let's give me some of that tapas. I want to get involved in their culture. I'm very much the same. We've got enough. What do we have? What do you come to England for now? Fish and chips and a fight. That's it. Because we have come down so hard.

on being proud of anything. Shakespeare? Oh, he's racist. Churchill? Racist. They're all bad. We've got nothing to hang our hat on anymore. So, what do you expect? Any Oluco? By the way, I think he's very patriarchal. but what do you expect a lot of these woke people and

The issue of Islamism, loads of Muslim immigrants coming over. What are they all going to... What? You don't just adapt to... Adapt to what? We don't have anything anymore. What is this? Don't get me wrong, me and you, and a lot of us, we're proud of what England is and what England has done. But so many people are not. So many people denigrate the country that they're from, so why would these people come over?

and go, wow, yeah, I'm so happy. You know, I go to Argentina, they're all singing the Argentine national anthem. They've all got Argentine football shirts on. They're being all Argentinian. They're loving it. Colombia as well. They're going, oh, don't you like the women from our country? They're proud of their women. They're proud of their food.

The food's a bit shit in Colombia. But they're really proud of it. They love it. They think it's great. So I'm there. I'm like, oh, you know what? I could get involved in this. They come here. Oh yeah, we're just a bunch of racists, aren't we? My wife's in Argentina, she comes over here.

Loves England. Loves England. Well, the English people, they're saying when I'm out with her, they say to her, God, you must hate it here. Why did you leave Argentina? You must hate this place. Bloody hell. She's like, I love it. Why would I hate England? It's really nice. This hatred of England. So I think that creates, not necessarily in any Lucca kind of character, but that creates that kind of woke hating.

and we have to move away from that. Yeah, it doesn't help when you've got the Mayor of London, the capital of our country, banning black cab drivers for having the Union Jack attached to the vehicle. Where in the world would that happen? Could you imagine? How has that actually even crept in? I mean, that's another... I mean, Sadiq Khan, you could spend five minutes dissecting him, if you like. If you're in the mood for a rant. If there was one, I'd do it. It'd be Hamsay Yousaf, the Scottish.

That speech he done was so outrageous. So... But it was racist to the core. you or I going to Pakistan running for political office. Which I wouldn't even do, because it's like, who am I as an English person or whatever to do that? But going there, and he might say he was born here, so fine. So, okay, second generation white. and sitting there going

The head of police here, Brown. The head of that government, Brown. So-and-so, Brown. We're going to have to change this up. That is a declaration of war. You'd be killed if you went to Pakistan and started doing that. Instead, he just feels really smug about himself. There's a story Douglas Murray told me recently I didn't even realise about Hamza Yousaf. Before he got in as First Minister of Scotland, he was up against someone I believe her name was Kate Thorne.

And in the lead up to that, all of the press in the United Kingdom was about Kate Forbes because she was a Christian or is a Christian. And so everyone was saying, oh, how are you going to be with... Gay people, how are you going to be of LGBT and all of that because you're a Christian. What if you get in? You're going to be all Christian and make everything all religious. That's what they were saying about Kate Forbes. As it happened, Hamza Yousaf 1 got in.

and immediately started praying Muslim prayers and gloating about being the first person to bring Muslim prayer to the Houses of Parliament. Why this double standard? Why do we hate Christianity? And somehow Islam is this kind of exotic thing. There was a concept years ago, there was a fellow called Edward Said who wrote about Orientalism. And he was actually having a go at us, it was a bit woke, and it's going, you think all of these people from the Orient, which means the East, so just anyway.

as well you sort of exoticize them as like oh look at all of these exotic weird strange whatever and they found that racist to do that to not just treat them as everyone else today it's the woke who exoticize So Islam is like, oh, look at these little people with their little religion. Oh, isn't it nice we let them do that in the Houses of Parliament?

It's not a little minority. It's two billion people across 50 odd countries full of tyrannical regimes where people are thrown off of buildings. People do have their arms. for stealing and things like that. The idea that this is a friendly, cuddly little minority that we need to go, oh, isn't that nice they get to do their thing in Parliament, meanwhile lambasting the woman who is a Christian from a Christian country.

just beggars belief so as much as I blame Islam or political Islamism really I blame ourselves we're a mess what about I don't even like calling this King Charles. King Charles seems to be... Almost pushing Islam. He certainly champions it with gusto. How's that going to help? yeah well it's an irony because he's obviously not studied his history and I say that flippantly because I know he does study history he's very into his history so he must know this which is

When, you know, I spoke before about Islam took over the countries of Iran and Afghanistan, they did so after, I mean, they killed the king. That's how they got it. You know, you kill the king and Islam took over. So it's history just repeating. Charles, just like all the woke idiots, is going to be sitting there praising them because he doesn't know what else to do. The royal family is a really difficult situation because they naturally, their place is on the right.

Because woke left people are just going, bring down, eat the rich and all that. You're never going to win them over. But the fashions have changed over the last 20 years in such a way that you see Prince William, who seems like a nice fella. You know, I'm not a big royalist or anti-royalist, but he seems nice.

But you see these guys going on about mental health and these kinds of things. It's all modern, wokey, lefty stuff. But I want to grab them and shake them and go, you're appealing to the people who hate you. Either the Muslims or the far left. They hate you. At the same time, as much as I'm not a royalist, I have started to feel that they might be the only thing we've got to fight back against multiculturalism and extremism. Because I was talking before about there's nothing to hang our hat on.

What do we have? What is England now? A football team? I don't even know. or if the royals are going to save us the king before anybody else needs a slap. He needs a slap, but he also needs to be welcoming too. I mean, look, it's just a fact we're going to have immigration, and we have a lot of it. Now, I think we need to curb it big time, but that might not.

and people find a way to get in. If they are going to get into this country, we need to make them love this country. That's our best chance. History has shown us with Islam that it doesn't work, but we can try, it's all we can do. So, Tommy Robinson, you've interviewed him, you've met him, you went abroad to interview him, so you must have got to know him.

Now that you do know him, what are your thoughts on him? And what were they before you met him? Well, way before I met him, before I got into heritage. probably thought I don't think I gave too much time to thinking about what Tommy I probably thought he was a racer.

sort I definitely grew up hearing about him as some sort of almost Voldemort from Harry Potter like the evil the most evil it's almost a synonym his name for evil you didn't have to say evil you just go gosh that's a bit Tommy Robinson I mean you know it's that kind of thing

In recent years, we've had an increase in independent media, which has been unbelievable. Obviously, it's been bad in some respects. There's misinformation, disinformation. I understand the argument of the mainstream when they have a go. but it's allowed us to see a side of people like Tommy Robinson that we just didn't have access to. I mean, you're a mate of his, but I didn't know him. So how am I going to get any other side about Tommy than what the media...

And it's not just the left, it's the right, it's the Daily Mail, all of them. Racist, Tommy Robinson, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. When I started Heretics, my guest booker was going, oh, shall we... and i went oh because i'm just dipping my foot into this one

oh, I don't know, I don't know. And he goes, have a look. Have a look, you know, properly research him and all that. And I thought, I always think of myself, I'm always going to give everyone a chance. That's how I feel about Ania Luco. And I still like her, even though we disagree about everything. And it's how I feel about... potentially talking to Tommy at this point. I'm going, okay, well, let's have a look.

And I'm looking. Can I find something racist that Tommy Robinson said? I'm asking ChatGPT. I'm looking everywhere. And there's loads of websites I hope not hate. And all of them, they're going, Tommy Robinson is a racist, blah, blah, blah. He's one of those sneaky racists who never says racist things. I'm like...

You know, there's literally a line on Hope.hate. It's something like that. I haven't got it right, but it's something like that. We know he's thinking racist thoughts. Yeah, exactly. Fact. Man, it's just such bollocks. And I guess you get to a point when you've learned that the media has lied enough times about so much. And I'm as concerned as anyone about Islam. And I'm looking at what he's saying, and honestly, I couldn't find it. I couldn't take issue with any of it.

I saw his speech at the Oxford Union. So good. Incredible, isn't it? Smart. Switched on. Smart guy. And he's getting up in front of these guys. I went to a posh school and I'd be terrified to stand up at the Oxford Union and speak. Tommy's from a totally different background and was still able to stand up in front of these Oxford, you know, some of them I'm sure are lovely guys and some of them are pretentious idiots who made up their mind about him before we started speaking.

good really good and I did start thinking about how much we've changed Do you know about the Overton window? He has shifted it. so far that now people like Farage can talk about what Tommy was talking about 10 years ago. He's opened the doors for all these mainstream politicians to start speaking some truth.

But it's almost like we've got two Overton windows, and it's like we've got that for the politicians, as you say. At least some of the fringe politicians can start talking about it. But in the media, it's gone the other way. 13 years ago, that was a documentary. Do you remember Stacey Dooley and Luton? Yeah. My hometown or something. She's basically walking around with a camera just going...

This is mental. She's walking around. There's a stage of duty of dancing on ice or whatever she does. Lovely, sweet person. Seems really nice. And she's walking around going, oh my God. That's like 13, 15 years ago. BBC, everyone's going, wow, oh my God, we've got a problem. 15 years later, the problem is about 15 times bigger.

and yet you would not get the BBC having a cuddly, friendly Stacey Dooley presenter and making a documentary like that. So they seem to have gone the other way, where you can't even talk about it. And yes, you're right, because of Tommy, some politicians can... So it's like a complete divide in society. I think the BBC are an absolute complicit disgrace. Yeah, an absolute loathsome institution. And what did surprise me recently...

was Channel 4. I've put out a documentary called Groomed. But what they've done is they've basically remade Tommy's documentaries, The Rape of Britain, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and I believe... when it comes out and they've just changed the name. But I mean, I'm grateful they're doing it because I want as many people speaking about it as possible. I mean, our job as adults is to make sure our children are safe and future children.

So I'm very pleased they've done it, but also gobsmacked. I'm shocked. I was completely shocked. because the last 15 years have shown that they are totally unwilling to do it. I guess it might be one of those where, you know, Muslim leaders can't really say very much about it. They can't come back and say to Channel 4, how dare you, you've pointed out these horrible things. Yeah, how dare you report on facts.

What I'd like them to do, Channel 4 or the BBC, is to make something like that Stacey Dudley documentary today. Look how Luton's been taken over. Well, today, let's look at Birmingham, Leicester, Rotherham.

hundreds of other cities because the grooming gangs are important I don't want you to think I'm skipping over that it's just you and I have talked about it a lot and it's it's super super important But my only concern is that it's an extreme bit that might distract from the actual everyday eradication. Which is not, you know, what happens to those girls. What doesn't keep me up at night necessarily is like, hey, the high street.

But again, if I was to move to Pakistan or Spain, right? Spain, they hate. as we move to Spain and every street is full of fish and chip shops and Irish Right. We like it. Yeah. Tacky bars full of fights. Yeah. You and me and Tommy can go out and have a great time. The Spanish hate it because it's their homeland and they go out and the woke, the left in England, they sympathise with the Spanish.

When I say to them all the English going out to Benidorm, you know, having a party and making it all fish and chips and stuff, they're like, fine I get it but what is happening to us just random heist you know I'm always traveling around for work I'm sure you are as well I stop at towns I don't even know what they are what town this is and it is just

Firstly, I don't see somebody who is not dressed in Muslim attire. And all the restaurants are some sort of foreign kind of thing. In many ways, it's an improvement because some of our food was not great. But it is a slow eradication of our culture. When this happened to any other... native americans the spanish as i say everybody's like oh gosh you know this wasn't good for them this isn't good for us so i want to see channel 4 or the bbc stand up and say

We're in trouble and the grooming gangsters are just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. You've interviewed a PDF file face to face. Now that may not sound as outlandish to people because we don't know who we speak to, but you actually knew he was a PDF file. That was the purpose of the interview, weren't it?

There's been a few like that. I mean, the one that I had on the podcast, this is when it was called On the Edge with Andrew Gold. Yeah, I sort of want to know how it actually made you feel knowing that somebody opposite you is attracted to children and is prepared to or actually has slept with children. How did you not grab him by the wind?

What was this? Because I showed you this video when I'm in Germany. He's got like a blonde wig on. Yes. You're in a film with him. Yeah. Yeah. He's, man, it was really hard. I mean... I got to Germany. Nobody knew who I was in terms of my career. I've been trying, I've been scrapping for years and years. And I sat there and I went, what can I do that no one else is going to do? Because I was on minimum wage. I could hardly...

What can I do? How can I make it as a journalist? And I was looking at all the different things going on in Germany. And one of them was state-sponsored therapy that helps PDF files to not... return they promised the clinic promises never to report these guys to police they don't even get their names so they couldn't even if they won

The good side of that, these guys who would never go to therapy otherwise, they go into therapy. And even if the clinic is only successful in helping 10% of them, that's 10% of them who would have offended and who didn't. And that's a lot of kids whose lives... by this clinic the bad side of it is these guys going into therapy and then and then doctors know about them and they're going out and abusing and they're not they can't report them to police so i see both sides

It's really complicated. And I think actually overall I'm in favour of the clinic. And what is it, a rehabilitation scheme? Yeah, you go in anonymously and you speak. try to warn you about your triggers, which is, for example, alcohol. You're just somebody who should not be drinking alcohol. these inclinations particularly if you're around kids you shouldn't be around kids a lot of these guys have got biases in their minds where they tell themselves oh actually I should be around kids more

Because that's what one kid said to an 18-year-old who has these inclinations. What, to cure them of the urge? He said, it didn't make any sense, but he said to me, he's 18 years old, it's different.

he's the head boy of his school in Germany and he goes he does all the after school stuff the kids the younger kids and I said to him there's like an alcoholic behind the bar what are you doing and he goes no no you don't understand like if I was away from them I'd be more like you're away from them you're not offending them you're away but he was telling himself that so that's what therapy can help with and make someone like him understand like me

No, you need to not be around kids. Don't be around kids. And it's a difficult life for those guys. Don't be around kids. Don't drink alcohol. And there's a few other bits and pieces. There's no way of proving how well the clinic does because they're not following up. They're just people who are anonymous. so they don't know but it's a theory and the theory is even if we can only help a few percent of them to not ever offend

saving the lives of countless children. And I think this is the thing that a lot of people actually forget about in the midst of their political arguments is that The real people that matter. The real experts on the subject. The real people that need the care and attention and the compensation.

are the victims. And people have to remember that online. When they're having their scrolls, like, don't forget the fucking victims. I agree. Yeah, that's what keeps me up at night. And not much. I don't really care about a great deal, but... The thought of a child being molested and abused by an adult, it triggers me into some... That's why I wanted to ask you how it made you feel interviewing a sex case, because I would just want to take the air out of his lungs.

Sorry, there's another question for you. So whenever I think about a PDF file, I immediately think capital punishment. Are you for or against capital punishment? It's great. I think in general, I've always been against the idea of it. I don't like the idea of us taking, you know, playing God, who I don't believe in, but killing people.

At the same time, you're basically doing that when you commit someone to life in prison, aren't you? They might as well be killed because that's not much of a life. And we're paying for that. What I would definitely say... I am staggered by the low sentences that these guys Because they're in prison, or sometimes they don't even go to... Hugh Edwards don't even go into prison. That's another subject that really gets my goat. People are getting 31 months for a tweet.

Hugh Edwards didn't even go to see the inside of a prison. What he's up to. I mean, this is not a threat. I'm just hypothetically thinking if I was to have a moment alone with Hugh Edwards, I wouldn't be able to resist.

I don't remember that well so Hugh Edwards the issue was he was sending naked photos and things to a 17 year old we believe but we haven't been told And I think his argument might have been, people are presuming because police didn't charge, the argument might have been that the... I'd said he was 18 or something. No.

But, and someone will have to correct me on this, I think he's also been, in fact I'm pretty sure this is right, possession of grade A child pornography. Is that right? That's right. Yeah. That should be immediate 10 years jail. I couldn't agree more. As long as images are being taken of these children being abused and people are watching them jerking themselves off, there's the supply and demand right there. You've got to chop the head off the snake. It's a disgusting thing.

And that is another part that this clinic in Germany, you know, they try to stop them from watching that stuff, try to make them understand that. Because they don't understand it sometimes, right? They need it told to them. So you can hate them as much. People say to me, no, no, no, we should just kill them all. And I go, right, well, how are you going to find them?

You know, firstly. More are always being made. This is part of the horrific side of life, unfortunately. They say one in a hundred men. have the inclination. How many of them actually act on it, we don't know. They go to this therapy, they get told this stuff. But as for me, your question, you know, sitting down with this guy, he wasn't the first I've met. I've met quite a few. The first time...

I've almost forgot this story because it was quite harrowing. But the first time I was trying to look into this story, and again, like I said, I'm in a desperate position. I'm sat in this flat in Berlin.

going to do i'll make this book or something about these people because it's such a weird thing so the clinic gives me they wouldn't give me anyone's numbers because they don't even you know but they told their patients about me so the pdf you want to get in touch with Andrew send him an email fella does his name he calls himself Max it's not his real name and he says I'm actually going to be in Berlin today he emails me like a week later he goes I'm going to be in today it has to be

and this is the address I'm going to be at, and afterwards I'm leaving Berlin. So if you want to... to my wife I'm so sorry I can't come to the lake with you today because we were going to go out to the lake and it's sunny She's like, yeah, she's like, what are you doing? You know, be careful.

his type I'm too old yeah but also you know it's that a thing isn't it once somebody knows you know you don't know what they might do to stop you you know identifying them it's dangerous and I remember cycling over So I got over to this place, hadn't looked into it too much, and I realised the place was what they call in Germany a Schwimmbad, which is a swimming pool. What the hell is this guy meeting a journalist, this guy who... It's being a child.

So I'm sitting out, I started to have almost a panic attack. I've never met people like this before. But now, this is five, six years later, five years, I'm a much more hardened journalist. I've met a lot more of these kinds of people. I'm desensitised a little bit. sweating everywhere. And I had to pay to go into the swimming pool area. So I go in, I'm looking around and I've got him on some weird app called Threema. It's like a super security one. And I'll go.

Where are you? And all that. And I look up and eventually he goes, I'm over there. Very stereotypical. Slightly podgy. He's wearing the speedos with his t-shirt sort of going over them so he looks like he's naked below the waist. and it's there with a little girl sweet looking thing. So I go over and he's like, hello, how are you doing? I won't do anything. And I was like, you're right. And we're sort of making small talk. My head is exploding with so many.

this pool you bastard also am i safe here what's going to happen am i implicated now because once he's got this girl now i'm at this pool with him the hell is going to go she then goes for a swim so i can speak more openly mate, what are you doing with this girl here? Why is this girl? He goes, oh, don't worry, I'm babysitting her. I go, no, you're not. He goes, yeah, I'm babysitting her. I go, you can't be babysitting her.

oh it's awful I would never do anything I go well you just took her through the changing rooms didn't you so already that's something does the mum know? he goes yeah mum is this massive lefty who believes that PDF files are a minority who are not being heard. that we need to help and I get the argument as well if they've never offended or whatever and I understand it must be I understand all those things but my god what an idiot that mum

And so I talked to him for a little bit and I thought, right, I don't know what to do. Do I tell the police? to do and I haven't seen him offend anyone. I spoke to somebody from the clinic afterwards. When I came, I actually started crying afterwards because I was so stressed out. Oh, and I forgot to mention, she came back later, the little girl, and two other girls came. There were three girls.

the pool what an infuriating situation to be in on so many different levels i mean that mum i mean she's in line for a slap with the king yeah that's that's outrageous You witnessed a man suck another man's dick in the street one day. What on earth were you doing there? Well, this was gay pride, you know.

My wife's friends or someone like that, they were going to the gay... You can't really avoid it, can you? It's all over the street. And I'm very pro-gay, you know, not so much that I engage in it. Enough to sort of... Let's have a go. Yeah, not again, mate. No, you know, good luck. Be gay. Be dry. Do your thing. Have your fun. I couldn't care less. I encourage it. You know, if you're a gay fella and there's another gay fella, go have your fun. Behind closed doors. Do your thing.

Yeah, obviously, you know, whatever. If you're not hurting that one... continue or hurting each other but in a nice way I don't know maybe it must feel nice for them to do it that's their business yeah good luck to them but good on them I'm happy to come out and celebrate I've never been to Gay Pride before so I look out It is an issue today and it's an issue that gay people face that Back in the day, they fought a very dignified fight for civil rights.

and they were dignified, and they wore suits and things, and they said, we're going to prove to you. You know, I said before, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. They knew, we're making a claim here, not all men fancy women, and we're going to give you the evidence.

going to be prepared to speak about in a way that the trans community today does not do they do not do that and they did it it was all very dignified and I just think imagine going your whole life fighting for this right that you did not have and others did You finally get it, and then your name is besmirched by a bunch of randy activists.

who turn up basically naked in the street in front of children. The very thing that most gay people thought to push against, that stereotype of like, oh, gay guys, they're going to get your kids. Gay guys aren't going to do that, but there's a certain type of person. who usually identifies as something called queer. Gay people I know are just absolutely gutted that this has started to happen in their name.

And so, yeah, I turned up and I thought, okay, what's going on here? I looked to my side. There's just a fella giving another one fellatio. What was the technique like? Well, it was the first one I'd seen, so I guess it was the best one and the worst one I'd ever seen. But there's nothing like seeing it in person. Some people listening, they go to sex clubs or they go to these things and they're used to it.

I'm used to interviewing strange people. For other people, it would be a mad crazy thing. And for me, it's nothing. So for them, it would be nothing. For me, though, seeing it in the flesh, an actual, you know, I don't want to use certain words that will trigger YouTube. enlarged appendage. Engorged. Engorged appendage member. Right next to me, there's kids. And there's like, he's got it in his mouth.

It was mental. And it was one of the things that started making me think, okay, this doesn't mean you go mental and start hating gay people. I mean, that's ridiculous. And I started to realise how little the gay community, they don't want to be called a community, gay people.

These are just, you know, fetishists. And there's a space for fetishists, right? You want to do your fetish, do it behind closed doors. I don't care. Yeah, in the street with children there, that's, again, it's always going to end. you know i swear like a sailor i curb it when i'm doing a podcast for obvious reasons people don't want to listen to me effing and jeffing for two hours at a time but also i curb my language at home when there's children about

And I have to fight it with everything I've got. So you've... You've got to change. You've got to wear a different hat when you're around children. I mean, you've got two lads in the street sucking each other's dick when there's kids about. I mean, fucking wow. Let's talk about tits for a minute.

Page three. So when you work for The Sun, you used to prepare the page three girls for people watching and listening that perhaps don't remember page three models. So years ago, when it was far less woke. I'll probably get lambasted for that comment. We used to have a page 3 and a page 7 of the sun for example and women would pose topless.

for the randy builders to pass around the canteen in the morning, but then page seven, there was a topless man, if you remember, for the horny housewives. I don't remember that. There was a page three and a page seven. Page seven come afterwards, I think. It's funny you remember that, Liz. Well, I'm all for equality, you see.

So I got the balance out. But anyway, so what are you doing? You're fluffing up there. What are you doing? I was the fluffer. He was the fluffer. Fucking hell. Yeah, it was a bad job, you know, and that was a weird time for me, I think, you know, psychologically as well. You know, I was 22.

And it's uni, didn't know what I was doing. I'd had a bad breakup. And I found this job at The Sun. Bet your friends were envious when you told them what you were doing. It was such a boring job considering what that was. because I did nights at the Sun. I found a job working nights at the Sun. It was really well paid. I was 21. It was shift work, but it added up to 40 grand a year, right, if you do five days a...

It was a great job for a 21-year-old. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. Most journalism jobs were like 18K. However, the catch was it was at night, so I'm working until four or five in a row. which is a depressing environment. It's just your little table, putting up some articles online and blah, blah, blah. And I was responsible most nights for uploading the page three girl to the iPad version where you could twist her around. She was three dimensions.

So that was what I spent most of my evenings doing. And it's, you know, I was interviewed the other day by someone who was saying like, I wasn't that, you know, you must have loved that. And I was like, I'm telling you at four in the morning. If you want to look up, then I'd subscribe to The Sun on the iPad. I could look it up there. I don't need to do it in my work.

I just wanted to go home and often, more often than not, there were problems with it. It didn't load. So I was spending 5am, 6am, all of my mates were out clubbing or doing whatever they were doing. I'm Sam at Sun HQ. in London on the phone to India. going, this woman's boobs aren't loading. I'm behind. trying to get at them, the people would come in in the morning, but next to all the big journalists and stuff, you're like, are you right, Andrew's still working on the tits and all that?

yeah yeah i'm on the phone to india trying to get the tips working they're like well you better hurry up mate ready to go out and all that so anyway i was responsible for the son's ipad Do you know what? People watching this are going to be so... disappointed by that response. I bet they thought, here we go. The models would come in and turn around. And they'd fluff me up. I was sat there talking to some Indian fella on the phone going, please get this working so I can go.

So other than preparing the Page 3 models, what's one of your career highlights? Apart from being here, that's, I know. What's your second favourite thing you've ever achieved? I mean, I'm someone who's always, and I think you're similar this way, and I'm sure many viewers are as well, I love being around something just utterly weird, mad, bewildering, and insane.

I think that one of the best things I've done is that documentary for the BBC But then also since the podcast itself, like going out to the south of Spain to Tommy Robinson's lair. You know, going, God, this is it. You know, you have that voice in your head going, bloody hell. You know, 10 years ago or five years ago, I was on minimum wage. No one knew who I was.

Now I'm being stopped at the airport on the way to Spain by fans. You're going, where are you going? Are you doing Tommy? I'm like, I can't say. You feel good and you feel like it's an indication that your job, your work has been appreciated. But also the joy of sitting there with Tommy, the joy of then going for lunch with him and our friend Richard Grannon.

the coast and I'm just sitting there I'm having a lovely time and I forget most of the time but every now and then you go back and your voice pops into your head and goes I'm just sat here with Richard Grannon who's a famous YouTuber and Tommy Robbins And Tommy's going, love, love, come over. He sees that everyone loves him out in this part of Spain.

They're all his mate. He knows the local market guys are selling. He's like, get over here again, mate. And then they come over and he's going like, tell them. He's getting them to show us stuff. And I'm just absolutely in my element. So Tommy having Douglas Murray on was wonderful. Liz Truss came to my studio with all her security and all that. That was scary. So I guess all of those things are together.

that's a great answer yeah and just quickly Your documentary on that lunatic priest that was performing exorcism. So I watched that documentary, obviously, because I've also, by doing my research, I've become a big fan. So when that lunatic is manhandling that young girl with his crucifix and screaming in her face to try and exercise the demon.

You're literally there watching. What the fuck did you think? At that time, I didn't know that he was messing around with the girls. But I did find it a little inappropriate. But I'm always trying to look at both sides. Somebody said to me when I went into it, my director... I talked about director it was me and my mate borrowed some equipment and went to hang out

but by the end I'm the presenter and he's a director you suddenly sound quite professional but at the time there's a couple of mates with some recording equipment he said to me and he had been a bit of a Christian as a kid and he said look we're going into this you've got to be otherwise it's boring if you go in you just sort of poo poo everything it's boring you've got to at least leave some

And I think that's smart, even though I don't believe in any of it. But so I wasn't going in there going, oh, he must be a crook and a villain. He must be attacking these women. I tried to keep an open mind. But it was nuts. Then he gave me the sort of bells, the bells to ring over this girl's head. Now we did that. I did a few exorcisms that I was part of. But I decided after the first one, with the bells, this was more serious.

Because I thought Exorcism, everything I'd seen of it was sort of funny and silly. It was like either a horror film or like Vice Media, they would go and do it. Whatever. And it's just like, gosh, look at these silly people doing a silly thing. They make it funny in those documentaries. When you're stood there over a girl, now some people listening will believe the girl was possessed. I don't believe that, but if you do, fair enough. I believe she was going through a manic...

So I'm sitting there with these bells, like looking like a right plonker being filmed and thinking, bloody hell.

the bells you know I'm gonna stand anything but the bells yeah I'll stand on the side and watch I can't be taking part in this thing that is potentially gonna ruin this girl's life 17 year old girl she's kinda you know doing horrible horrible sorry that's what i was thinking was like more than anything else the first time like i felt very self-conscious with the camera on me and going what the hell am i doing like ringing these bells while this woman is screaming beneath my feet

So, yeah, as we went on, he became more hostile to me. My questions were a little bit mocking as well about like, have you seen? He believed in vampires. He did, yeah. So that's why I couldn't tell if he knew I was being a bit naughty. the right word and by the end another journalist dubbed me in and made up something I'd said which I hadn't said which was why are you going around kissing this girl Paula 19 year old with schizophrenia on the mouth. Why are you doing mouth?

And I'd never asked that, but this other journalist didn't lie that I was on his turf, told the priest that and he went mental at me for about an hour. Now in the documentary, it's only two minutes because... edit it and cut it it was an hour of him screaming and screaming I thought he was going to kill us because we're out after midnight middle of nowhere impoverished suburbs of Buenos Aires no one knows we're out there we're not out there with like a team of BBC security

and my mate with like our stuff I thought they were going to kill us legs turned to jelly proper jelly like really couldn't move my legs we got away eventually but even then it was really scary because we're in the middle of nowhere at 2am With all this expensive gear we've borrowed from people, you know, what is a taxi going to stop for us out there?

It was a really scary time. And it was only on the way back that we did manage to find a taxi who took us. And we kept thinking, is he going the right way? Please be going just back to Buenos Aires. And me and my mate... was it recording while he was going mentally

I was like, oh, you know what? Yeah, I had my lapel mic on. Because my director couldn't get in the room. The exorcist wouldn't let him in. He was slamming the door on him. So it was just me in there. But we had the camera just filming the door. And at that point, I was a nobody. You know, I couldn't sell a dog. to the BBC, but him losing his rag on us like that and screaming at us, I've never seen a meltdown like that on TV. So we went, you know what, we've got something.

And that's the beauty of documentary sometimes. It's not actually about your talent. We weren't very talented. the guy just flipped on us. And you put yourself in a dangerous position and thought, let's see what happens. That's it. And we got very lucky, because it could, in another world, That journalist doesn't dub us in. The exorcist just goes, well, you know, you've annoyed me a bit with your pertinent, impertinent questions, but FF, come on, goodbye. And that's it. Never would have sold.

Before I ask you the final question. How do we save the UK? That's not the final question. That's the one before the final question. We need a country of Michaela's school. Do you know Michaela's school? Michaela Community School, run by Catherine Burblesink, the world's strictest headmistress, they call her. She's got school, Catherine. She's been on Heretics and she's brilliant. I think it's a comprehensive, local comprehensive in Wembley. My understanding is it's like 90% Muslim.

And her thing is, she's not Muslim, but her thing is, and she's not even from the UK, but she says, this is Britain. This is England. So we are going to watch the England football games. All the Muslims wearing all the gear, you're going to have England things on your faces. We're going to have England flags. Everyone's going to be going for England. We're going to sit and do, I don't know if they do.

a pork chop at a Jews wedding at home. Or maybe, maybe not. I mean, I had to do it in my school. I'm a Jewish, an atheist, you know, but our father who aren't in heaven, I know the whole thing. You're a Jewish atheist. Yeah, yeah. But it didn't bother me because it was like, this is what the school's doing. Good luck to them. I was too busy getting into trouble to care about priests. But she is doing everything she can to make sure that if Muslims are going to be in this country...

And many do. Many do. Let's remember that many of them do. There are also countries, you know, I talked about Iran and Afghanistan and what happened to them. But there are also countries where... They're not ideal, but things are not, you know, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are moving towards or away from extremism. They are extremely harsh on their terrorism. They really go in on the terrorism.

because they know what they're dealing with. And those are Muslim countries, for anyone who wants to, Islamophobia and all that, that for now work. Now they have issues. There are probably issues, I don't even know enough about them, around homosexuality.

drink, things like that. There are issues. These are not places I would like to live, but I don't live there and they can live how they want, but they come down hard on terrorism. So if we were able to encourage, well, firstly, I think we do need to curb immigration. At least just let us breathe for a second. okay, what the hell, what's the plan? Then we need every school to follow Catherine Burblesing's strategy.

teaching all the kids. And I kicked off recently because my old school, Merchant Tailors, they put in a magazine something showing off about prayer with pictures of clearly who are Muslim students praying. That is not the right attitude. Catherine says, by all means, pray. They can pray at home. Why haven't they got to pray during nine to five at school, do they? No, they don't. That's nonsense. They can do it at home.

When they're at the school, they are part of something bigger to put their hat on. So, every school's got to be like that. The left hate her, though. And they should love her. Because she is actually making every... You know, she's getting rid of this stupid idea of multiculturalism. And she's saying, we need to share... So that's how we save it. We learn from Saudi Arabia about how to deal with

We curb immigration and we teach schools and teach people like us who might be, you know, don't like all that Muslim stuff that we can or we have to make them adapt and then we might be alright. And the final question. Who is your favourite heretic and why? Yeah, that's my thing, isn't it? That is your thing. I should have thought about it. You know what? I love Christopher Hitchens.

I almost don't want to say him because it's too obvious so many people say Christopher. Are you familiar with Christopher Hitchens? I was surprised to find out that he was a leftist. Yeah, but he moved back and forward. Biopolitical. Yeah, he calls it double accounting. He was engaged in politically double accounting, which I like. Yeah, my cousin's a big fan.

great or you can go hitch surfing which is when you go on YouTube and look for all the ways all the times when he's done hitch slap he's given someone a hitch slap which is like just shouting at someone and making them look stupid so you do hitch surfing on YouTube and find some hitch

He's amazing. He was an amazing speaker. And yeah, he woke up the day after 9-11 as a bit of a lefty, liberal. But it was a different thing back then as well, being a liberal as to what it is today. He never would have gone for the trans. he went for like you know all the nice things I think he'd have been where we were and he warned against Islam that wasn't considered oh you must be right wing to warn against Islam he warned a lot he said the barbarians are at the gate and it will be your own

And well, how true, how right has he proven to be? He woke up after 9-11 and he was flabbergasted to find that his fellow liberals were all blaming America and saying it's our own fault instead of looking at the barber. who carried out the attack. That's on the left. On the right, it's all, no, it wasn't really that. The Muslims, it's like, come on, they admit it's that. We know who it is.

And Hitchens didn't fall for the bollocks on the left or the right. He goes, we know who did it. This is who it is. It hasn't stopped. But it isn't one. Yeah, that's a great answer. I've thoroughly enjoyed that. And it's a shame that people can't feel the energy through the lens because you've got a real good vibe and I appreciate you coming on. Oh, thank you. You've got a good vibe as well. I appreciate you having me. Yeah, thank you, bro. Get off, mate.