Well, good morning, all right, metroll flex. Let's have a fun one today. I'm Kevin Turner. If there's Dandy Baylist, Mike's Roy JJ Jackson and the House and today a special guest called again at eight ten former Dallas Cowboys head coach wearer of coaching shorts, Dave Campo, who actually rocked like the mini perm curly hair. Let's jump on with this at eight ten. Now, at the time he was booked, we did not know that the decision had been made to bring back coach Mike McCarthy. So we'll see
if he has any hot thoughts that he can. Also walk us through the interview process for Daniel Quinn, things like that, I want to know what the weight feels like when you're five and eleven, five and eleven, Like how the weight yea of losing your job, feeling how you have to bite your tongue because they didn't get you a quarterback, right, It's a lot of things excited And I think that's his natural hair. Dude, this you didn't have a perm Yeah, people can say, yeah, curly, I
just bought some much shampoo that adds to the curls. So that's why I've been looking more curly than usual lately. Do you like the curls? Yeah? I hated them growing up. I was gonna say, is that something that bothers a little boy? Yeah? You can't really do anything with your hair and you but as you get older, you realize people would kill for this long, wavy hair that I'd shave off. They would, well, no one would kill for it, now that's true. What's the longest you've
ever had it? You ever had it? Touch on the shoulder? Nah, it will go down, it goes up, dude, it's the problem. Do this so good, dude. That's the one of the interesting things about having a kid. Because my oldest Josh, for whatever reason, and it makes no sense, he has got curly hair and it's real thick, so if he doesn't keep it in check, it gets wild. And in high school he you know, kids are, especially boys. We would do bits like grow it out and it would be hilarious, and family photos and
holidays, it's like, what are you doing? Like, what what do you want for me? There's one photo of him when he was probably like twenty three or twenty four. I'm like, you look exactly like nineteen sixty six. Bob Dylan, okay, and I did a photo of him and an AB comparison, and it's uncanny, the crazy, big old fro. But you, you know you kind of Why don't you let it rip? keV? How would you pledge today, on this day not to cut your
hair until Mike McCarthy is gone as coach of the Cowboys. You are like the McCarthy dude in the whole city. I could even get on the elevator. The hair would be TOI tree, beac your eighty foot tree, because it goes up. It imagine up forever though, come on down Jonah Hill's Super Bad era. It goes up. No, it would look like an afro. Cool. It's it's wrong with that. You're in radio. What does that mean? It means it doesn't matter what you look like? Yeah,
it does. I still do things. You know what you could do though, that is my primary job. Grow it out super long and then go the Jimmy Butler route and then you look like Andre three thousand. Yeah, just flatten that. That doesn't look good. You don't know you, Kevin, Kevin, stop lying, don't start the yes. Four minutes into the show and already flood of lies. I've straightened my hair, don't the
day lying. I was too embarrassed to uh even show the picture because guys like me with the little with a touch of heft don't look great with the streetened hair that's long. It's just a thing. It's it's fine. Make the pledge, I think of the pledge. Make the pledge to McCarthy is gone. And then Mikey and I are praying for a Super Bowl win and a contract extension. Yeah, well you don't have to worry about that.
That are happening. That's the big news. And we'll hit that up multiple times today because uh yeah, I mean they announced the last night tomorrow, Mike McCarthy is or today today Allegedly m McCarthy's supposed to meet with them, but Jerry sent out a pressure release that But like normally I get Cowboys media stuff. Did y'all get the pressure release? I didn't, And you know,
I don't know. When contacting the Cowboys pr team to get guests on the show, uh, they say things like, well, we're monitoring your state and things like that. So trust me, you're gonna get the harsh truth about the Cowboys. You're not gonna get Jerry's pocket lining opinions today. Oh, no, you won't you tell him that was never a real thing. By the way, did Jerry did not care what anyone says by him? Yeah? I didn't know about this until Mikey sent the screenshot of the
chefter tweet last night. Did that just happen when you sent that? Yeah? Ten minutes ten minutes before, uh, and I did. I am still on the good good list. I got the press release from senior vice president of communication with the Dallas Cowboys, Tad Tad Carper. Oh, Tad? Do you know Tad? I have not met him. I would like to though. Maybe he could get us a guest Tad Carper two on four or just leave a talk back. Yeah, email me. Hey, guys, it's Tad Carper Harper. Oh. I did get the statement. I
don't know. Do you want it at any point? I do? I want you to read it in your best Jerry Jones voice? No, no, no, right now? Is Jerry Jr. I don't want to read this? Yeah, I don't read it. Then, well it's something I don't want to read it. I just don't know if it's if that's what my people, my fans want to hear. I don't know what your fans want to hear, to be honest, man, fans, all right, did you know this? I know? All right, you know what?
This is going to be a big topic of the day or twitch people. So you have a fan clubs a bass. Yeah, yeah. I like when you start saying things to mobilize your bass. I moved my base. All right, we're gonna talk about this plenty today. McCarthy being you know, the announced he's coming back. So yes, I think beginning the day with a statement from Jerry Jones, do it. I'm not doing any voices, but here you go, once again from the desk of Tad Carper.
Do it as Tad Carper. All right, fine, he sounds exactly like me. I believe this team is very close and capable of achieving our ultimate goals, and the best step forward for us will be Mike McCarthy as our head coach. There is a great benefit to continuing the team's progress under Mike's leadership as our head coach. Specifically, there are many layers of success that have occurred this season as a result of Mike's approach to leading the team,
both with individual players, and our team collectively. Mike has the highest regular season winning percentage of any head coach in Cowboys' history, and we will dedicate ourselves in partnership with him to translating that into reaching our postseason goals. Certainly, Mike's career has demonstrated postseason's success at a high level, and we have
great confidence that he can continue further. Our loss on Sunday is shared by everyone here, not just coach McCarthy, our players, coaches, front office, myself. There's accountability for our results. I am accountable for our results. The lens we use to view and evaluate Coach McCarthy is holistic. While we're all disappointed with the result on Sunday and with our playoff record, I'm one hundred percent supportive of him as our head coach. Ability to reach our
goals almost done. We will start our process of review and decision making regarding everything that impacts our team and roster. And while we are not going to address specific players and extensions or free agents at this point, it deserves our deepest reviewing consideration and it will get it signed. Jerry Jones from ted Tad Carper. Okay, now, let me read that again, I believe this team is very close. Who told Jerry to use the word holistic because it's
really well, it's well placed, is it. Yeah, Because the definition of holistic is it's like accountability for the entire system rather than individual parts. Right, like you holistic medicine deals with the mind and the body. You know. But you you hear holistic and you think woo woo. You know space, space age, you know methods. But the real definition of the
word is accurately used there. I don't think that's in his I don't think that's in his vernac kind of success and blame would be shared among everything exactly, Like it's not just our fault, the three of us, Yeah, you know, it's everyone. What did we do? Just I'm applying it to us. I'm making it like if something, Yes, there's everybody working
together. I have a lot of un succeeding. I have a lot of Uh, I think it's succeeding fine, or it will Holistically I'm speaking, yeah, holistically, I think I've got a lot of I don't know, like conspiracies maybe, or Kevin's conspiracy corner, or like getting that over well, if you wanted to go and say, Jerry's pissed, wanted to get him fired, but he was talked off the ledge for reasons that were very
clear, like it's Mike's last year. Think of the money you'll save, you know, but just paying him is last year, and you can team him up with Dak or taint him up with that because because it could be daxx last year. The truth is, Dak is a sixty million dollar cap hit going into this year, and you can let him play on sixty million and get literally no help around the rest of your team for one year for
one year. But here's how it works in the NFL. You sign these quarterbacks to huge deals, their cap number is huge, and then you give them an extension before the contracts up. And that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna meet with Dak, They're gonna give him a contract extension. Fans are gonna freak out, But what it's really going to do is be good for the team because it gets your cap number down and you can go get players around him. And that's gonna happen before for the season. Before the
season. Yeah, and he's playing at sixty million on the cap. Well, unless they say screw it, you're not getting any help. But they're not gonna do that to him. They'll go all in here, well as all in his possible. What's the shortest amount of time realistically that that extension could could be? What accept because then you're doing that, Yeah, and said he deserves to be paid like one of the best. He has two voidable years on his contract after that, and I know this is all gonna
get in him the newsia talk. So you could sign him. You could wipe those out and sign him to a five year deal. Would that be three with two options? Yeah? Or you could I don't know if he'd accept right it. You could write it out. It's sixty MILI on your cap, and then you have the option to walk away, or you could
franchise him or negotiate. If you don'tive him an extension, he's gonna be like, Okay, I'll go see where I want to go, you know, but they still have the franchise tag thing and that's after next year though, Yeah, okay, because they can't franchise him now. But here's now. Your only two options are to re up him for an extension or to just sit on that sixty million dollars hit, have him played one year and
then you're basically starting from scratch, and is he a free agent? Here's the yeah, it's sorry, that's all just no. It all gets so bad and I don't even want to do it. I know, but as it goes on for four years and it never stops talking about his country. The point is Dak can do things to and the Cowboys will do things to his contract to give them more money. Okay, Dak is your quarterback.
They're not moving on from Dak unless they traded him, and you could maybe trade him, and you could trade him and time it up with McCarthy. It also is very possible that Dak said, I ain't signing anything. I'll play under what my contract is. If you guys get rid of Mike, I ain't signing nothing. I don't think Dak would do that. I think Dak likes being the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys more than he likes Mike McCarthy. Coming into this year, I don't know where he is now. He
liked Kellen Moore more than Mike McCarthy. I do believe that, Philip tell you what, there's too many damn noise and opinions with this team. The reason he didn't run the ball this year because you let Kellen more go and everyone's being met at that and Dak didn't throw interceptions. That's good. Mike mcarthy should get credit for that. McCarthy's not a good run game coordinator and
Kellen Moore is. And you can look what they did in charge and say for the Chargers and go, well, they had a bed year because that team sucked and they'd quit. That doesn't matter. But that is a big chunk of this too. On offense, you go back to defense being the problem all these things, because here's what I keep going back to, I didn't know that Jerry, and I feel like I'm an idiot. I'm the one who got fooled like the rest of us. I didn't know that Jerry
was a big old pussy cat. It's not even true. Jerry's a gambling man, he's a wild car. He'll put it in a gloryhole. Well, Kevin recovers, I want to address something not even true. Man, This is the safest stuff you could have done yesterday. Collectively, all of us, I think we're in agreement that the best thing for them to do
would be to cut ties with McCarthy and go hard after Belichick. But we felt like what they would do is Keith McCarthy correct, which when you think about it, and it's kind of funny coming from us, which I think is by and large the show that employs the theory of the steady hand.
It is the steady hand move. Yes, it's the old school because we talked about how Tomlin's been with the Steelers forever and you know, they've won one super Bowl and they're always in the conversation, They're always in the playoffs, winning records or just the norm for them, but you know, one super Bowl and that during that tenure isn't a lot, I guess compared to us, it is. But the days are gone of the coaches with long,
long careers with one team. There's kind of part of me that thinks it almost is a punk rock move of Jerry to keep him, you know, like the wild the wild Card wild Cat and Jerry would have have made a big splash decision based on emotion, and this one, when you look at the team, it's like, man, maybe there is something to the fact that they collectively laid a stinker at the worst possible time and ran into a team that was playing the best football they've ever played in their current incarnation,
and those things collided and bad things happened. In a steady hand looks at that for what it is, if that's what it is, and just says, you know what, let's just improve and run it back. And part of me now after four days removed from this thing happening, and I was emotional as hell over this. I don't hate it. I would imagine our bosses or whoever would want us to come in and screaming about something today, Oh you just wait, okay, good, But I completely agree with
you. But I agree with Kevin on the pussycat front that he does. He doesn't take the big risk he does, but he does the He was never try to get bad like. He was never a smart, responsible thing. And that's what this is, is it? Yeah, this is the really safe, smart responsible thing poring. Yes, absolutely, McCarthy originally was boring. It wasn't like and he was like, yeah, we got the guy nobody was, but you hired dude that didn't really like move the needle
or get the breakfast boners up and run in. And then he does really why would you define them? Like I said, we have Dave Campbell on he went five and eleven three straight years. Yeah, I mean I Garrett never. I don't think Garrett ever had back to back playoff appearances. Right, So like you start, didn't get everyone excited that dude does. What would you say? Pretty good? I mean, what's the even Like the
McCarthy hater, how would you define his tenure? You would say good regular season, good in games that don't matter, which is easy sentence to say. And you can't win in the playoffs. Not good enough, not good enough to win the Super Bowl? Because why because I forgot the Cowboys are just a magical special team that the other rules of sport don't really apply to. Because you just deserve better. Why because of the shape of the design
on your helmet. Because you have more money than any franchise in the history of the world. Right, You're the most lucrative franchise in all of sports, all of it globally, and you can do anything you want. So you go get the best guy. You can get a guide that we have known holes in his game. If it was baseball, fine, this is a cap sport. They should hire the most expensive defensive coordinators. Okay, I completely agree. You know you should have three of the ten best all
around coaches in the sport working for you. Fine, Fine, the one area that's uncapped. You can hire anyone you want. You can create the ultimate dream team of brains to run the off. I agree with that, because that's the league doesn't prevent it. You could have ten coaches that are just all whizzes. And that's the idea. That's what everyone's trying to do. But it's not that easy. You have to And the thing is, and Mike Reiner says this all the time, when you put a collection of
highly talented people together, the question is can you make this work? And what's really not working as an organization? Obviously they're not winning in the playoffs. That sucks, But we talked about this too. The reason that coaches get fired is when the team, when they lose their team or or a toxic culture within the team and the coaching staff. We haven't heard anything about that. They seem to be pretty smooth out there. Everybody gets along,
everybody seems to be on the same page. You don't have players anonymously just ripping each other to shreds. You don't see a lot of chaos on the sidelines. I mean, it's a pretty measured team. They imploded in twenty twenty when the defense of Mike Nolan fell apart, but also the season I believe this. I believe NFL teams quit when they realized their quarterback is not good. So dat gets hurt that year and that's when things got There were
some tension, locker room tension and things going on there. And who knows that that was also a year and I believe Jalen Smith got paid around that time too, was still plying. So there's a lot of things that go with that. But the Mike Nolan thing was weird. Got that handled. Dan Quinn comes in. Things stabilized unless you're playing Shanahan style offenses, which is that's been crazy status. JJ simp me said too, we should think
McCarthy of McCarthy the same way we think of Mike Tomlin. JJ sent me this tweet. It's from Andrew Philippony Oh the Pony Express, and it's Rio and I you know this guy. Mike Tomlin career record one hundred and seventy three and one hundred eight and ten in the playoffs, one super Bowl, Mike McCarthy one super Bowl, better playoff record at eleven and eleven and just
six less wins and two more losses. Like we should think about Mike McCarthy the same way we think should we think about m McCarthy the same way we think about John Harbaugh. You know, probably with McCarthy, you're probably gonna be good show. If you have McCarthy in a good quarterback, you're gonna take the playoffs most every year until it eventually implodes. That's true, and that is that's the same thing. I just it's what Mikey. It's what
Mikey says. And I love your perspective when you talk about the Cowboys not growing up here, not being a lifelong fan, but also not being a hater, you know, because it seems like you're either one or the other. But you've lived here long enough, you've covered the team long enough to
have a pretty fair and balanced opinion of this thing. But you do bring up this point sometimes that this team, without maybe saying it specifically, that this team lives on this hubris of global perception of what they really are, which is this championship legacy. Keep this in mind, this team was not the team of the seventies. They won two Super Bowls in the seventies. Correct, Okay, the team of the seventies was in Steelers, all right.
The team of the eighties. They were pretty decent for a good portion of the eighties, but they couldn't get past the forty nine ers. The forty nine Ers were the team of the eighties. They won three out of four Super Bowls in the nineties, and they've been not heard from since. They had magic in a bottle, they had the great herschel Walker trade results, they had they had to use this word again, a perfect confluence of
a lot of great things happening for them at once. They were well coached, they had a fiery new owner, they were energetic and good to go. And yes, they've been pretty damned irrelevant since. But the reason that people look at this team with this, oh my god, we got to get back to our championship culture and being the team of a decade. No,
you were the team of about four years in your entire existence. The reason that people think of you as this, you know, legacy team is because of efing marketing, which Jerry is better at than being a football team
owner. Period. That timed up within nineteen ninety four, when the world was exposed to NFL Sunday ticket and then out of market teams could watch every Cowboy game and you could watch every NFL team you wanted to see, and the league grew from that, and Jerry should get more credit for that than anything else. You're starting to the Sunday ticket, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, NFL Sunday ticket. Yeah, like that is when it timed
up. The Cowboys were getting huge in that early nineties. It's when that began where you could watch every NFL game if you wanted to or if you could afford it or whatever, and if you had Drake TV, which you
know a lot of people didn't at that time until then. Like it, all that, you're absolutely right, comes down to Jimmy Johnson fleeced Mike Lynn, who was the general manager of the Minnesota Vikings, and tricked him basically right, yeah, because they didn't realize all those picks if they cut him, would turn into or all those players once cut would turn into draft picks.
Yeah, and basically like a clerical error. And they also like fudge the results on his head, on his head scans Herschel's one hundred percent. He's in his prime and it was just a head injury status and it led to all this. But there's this like mystique you know, buged me yesterday or day before. I heard Michael Irvin audio, you know, and he's
doing his thing. I mean you're not helping either, because all he does is I put the trophy on the desk and show those that came before me, Like, yeah, great, what does that happen to do with anything? Now? Like actual real stuff like this is how many people you can have on your roster and this is much money you have to do it. But fans and then it coincides with social media and Twitter and everyone can scream. I mean, go look at it. You've looked at it. Everyone's
losing their mind today. And fine, I mean I don't care. Go yell into the ether, you know. Will you discussed just a soft move? Yeah, but soft and smart can I work together? But I do think it's weak. I think with the candidates that are available, that certainly adds a lot to the softness I guess of the move. I think a more interesting topic is what you said is, like what's what's the ballsiest Jerry Jones maneuver over the last thirty years, given Steven the team like he wants
to be this wildcat ter, like I'm gonna go find that oil. We're gonna make We're gonna do things like you you picked a bunch of boring code. I mean, I guess maybe attempting the Parcels era. Yeah, maybe that was which was for a stadium like Jerry's gonna have something coming back to him. For me, what it comes down to is look man to be a successful team, it starts with the talent. It starts with the talent on the field. You got to amass the best talent that you can.
And then it's up to management and coaches to design schemes and plays that bring out the best in your talent, not to try to make them be something that they're not and be dug in on that to where they're fighting against their own instincts. And the third thing is to have a calm, cool vibe, a good culture surrounding them. And I can't say that they don't have that. They've been very unlucky in the playoffs. They changed in twenty thirteen.
That's when they did the will McLay thing. They change their whole way they do things, and it's been good, and it's been less Jerry input. Yeah, which at an age he probably should have lesson put in roster construction, you know, because he couldn't name we played this game, how many players could he name? Well, you mean from the draft, I mean like on the on the roster, Yeah, exactly, like he will say the wrong name for current players on the roster. But which is also
why it's like anything. It's like we say there's a president, right and you get you yell at the president. Oh my god, I hate this president, that president whatever. It's the sea of people behind him there and the present. Half their job is just take all that, absorb it and then every you know, the decision makers all work underneath. It's I think he's kind of in the same boat. Yes, Jerry probably has a big vote in who our first pick is. Yeah, because he's like me.
When I look at mock drafts, I don't scroll to the fifth and sixth round all that often and analyze play, you know, like I look at my team and projected positions and that sort of thing. But it gets a little more boring when you go back. Oh yeah, I'm the same way. It's like, ooh, first round, we have picked twenty four, All right, what do we need? This is fun. I almost think that's what he's doing. It's not like he is analyzing hundreds and hundreds of
we know that, yeah, but we keep yelling Jerry's the problem. And now the culture of the whole thing that that there's a there's an issue there. I think, yeah, but they're changing that. But it's part of his job, and he kind of loves it. Is for us to point yell Jerry, well, you don't really see everything that's happening. He's like the world's best troll. He loves it. He loves that action. He didn't care. No, he didn't. He likes the only thing that he
cares about. And back when I worked at their flagship, the only things that he was not okay with are basically saying that he doesn't care if you say that he didn't care about when he does care. He wants to win. Does he want to do the proper things? I don't know was and this might not be the proper thing. Probably not. We already a couple of callers, we're gonna we're gonna move that because I want to take a few calls at seven and let the people out their screen a little bit too.
The seven o'clock let us know what you think on this thing, on the Mike McCarthy thing that's a seven man. Another thing last night it was on National TV, and it was one of those things where you're like, well, I can go to bed now. The hell happened last night in La next to ninety seven won the Free