You're listening to the Downbeat on ninety seven to one the Freak. It's the damn down Beat six thirty five. Wake up weird with your pals right here, KT is our pal. He is not here today. I think he's still in New York right probably you really are the most devious Boston and Neil Yah, Well he did uh. I guess The last post I saw from him was that Dave Matthews at MSG and that was like Friday night. Yeah, so I don't know. I think still sends us links. He sent
me a very aggressive text, whoa Dave Matthews man is not country? And then had a video of like a minute clip of them sending a soul supers. How far did you make it through the minute? Yeah? Four seconds? List how fast you scroll left or right toward the bottom of your phone to get to the end and say, Jesus, how long is this? Just? What do I need for the is? I was like, and it takes back interesting, interesting, fascinating. Yeah, Old Caveo went to
Madison Square Garden. I think two nights unless that guy weaseled his way into Saturday Night Live. And he's the type of person that would just kind of sit on that and not share with us spring it. Uh huh? But OKT today or tomorrow. I think tomorrow. I gotta confirm this, but I think we're gonna have a third leg of the Stool named s word Steve. Stool's feeling already a little wibbly today at six about about the tunk about. But I think Steve, Steve Shackelford is going to join us, probably
for the whole show. I want to get to know Steve, Yeah, and what better way to get to know someone is to work with him? Yeah, like closely? Yeah. So I think tomorrow will be the Steve Show with us. Make a good time of that. I'm off wedns Day, get an early kick Florida to hang out with Sweet Vita for Thanksgiving? Is she gonna let you stay in the house? I'm hoping? So? Yeah. You know what we do every Thanksgiving? You know what the staple
is for a Sarasota Thanksgiving meal? Uh? I could think of some jokes, but I don't feel like it. What do you got stone crabs? There? You go? You had stone crabs? I have It's a delicious crab. Incredible you have stone crabs? JJ? No, what's the difference between them and the rest of the crabs? I get real high before you eat them. Yeah, No, it's just different, different type of crab. Yeah, and it's all kind of claw, like a big, meaty,
delicious claw. And they're served cold with a like a nice mustard sauce or you can use a cocktail sauce if you like, like True Lux on McKinney ab that's essentially a stone crab restaurant. You still cook them alive, because you're supposed to cook them alive, right, No, what you do is, and I think by law, you you rip one off and then you leave the other one so they can eat and defend themselves with their other
claw. I'm kidding. Yeah, so you don't actually kill them. No, you just steal one of their arms and the plate as you're eating. Jesus, you don't kill them. You steal one of their arms and leave. Yes, yeah, it's maybe that simple, but it's better than killing them, better than throwing them in a boiling pot alive, which is what they do with lobsters and most of the crabs. You guys, I've seen videos. I have a fear of, like eating food that starts to move.
Have you seen videos of that live raw? I don't know if it's fish or and it just starts moving on the plate. I don't know if it's real or not. Really. Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, no, I think most That's why I like all my food cooked. I like raw. You know, as far as the preparation, I don't know how they cook it. You said it's served cold, though it is served cold, but they cook it, yeah, like the meat's obviously cooked, yes, yeah, yeah, otherwise it would just be this goo.
Yeah, so they rip one off. I think they may have just changed the rule too, where you can rib them both off. You know, how many do they have? Don't most crabs have? They have two giant claws, and if you're lucky, they're giant. I mean, JJ, you can have them this size right here, I mean about the size
of I don't know, what is that the size of a shoe. Yeah, A medium sized shoe, a smallish, a lady shoe, a lady seven and a half yeah, I mean hell, maybe even well that's a nine, maybe bigger and sometimes just like a like a giant baby shoe. But whatever. Like so, they have their two main pinchers. Yes, but what about like, Okay, so I don't know the other crabs like king crab Alaskan king, and then you get the ones that you get up
in Maine and soft shell. Yeah, but don't those like have more uniformly even sized crab legs? Yeah, because what you're describing almost sounds like a lobster. All you know, all you have is we have two main guys that are that's what you want. All you eat from stone crabs, to my knowledge, I mean forever is the claw. That's it. You don't touch the body soft shell crabs like you've ran a crab bake in Maryland. Oh my god, it's amazing. Old Bayon eat the whole thing. You
ripped the top off the whole crab, and there's meat everywhere. I guess maybe it's either illegal or there's just not enough meat in there to make it worth it. So you're just having stone crab claws. Like if you go to Joe's Stone Crabs in Miami or to True Lux or whoever, hm, you're just gonna get a plate with two or three or for different sized crab stone crab claws, and they're pre broken. They have very thick shell.
You can't get into them. Man, these things have some defense. So we actually have a cracker like a device, like a giant metal like a winch, kind of a cracker thing that you and then well you open them up and it's you know, it's delicious. Somebody on the text the two one four said it with the stone crab, you rip off one claw because
it can because it can grow back. Yeah, they regenerate. Yeah, I guess I didn't say that, but yes, that's you rip one off and then the other one allows them to eat and take care and then they regenerate. I wonder how what's going on with that? Why don't we have that? And we talked about evolution the other day, like give us another million years, what we'd be growing stuff back? Why can't we? What's wrong with that? What's wrong with us? Top of the pyramid here?
Seriously? And a freaking salamander can gross tail a crack. That'd be a game changer if it could grow back. No, no, not just a nus, but like all of it. The only thing that you won't like, I'm talking about extremities like toes, legs, fingers, arms. Obviously your head's not going to grow back if you get your head cut off. But could you have to live for at least a while with a fake hand?
Right? A lot of people would see that guy. I wonder how long it takes the stone crab to regrow a claw once mean fisherman takes it from him. Yeah, that's got to hurt. It's like you just like think about it. You're just doing crab stuff, just hanging out, and here comes a guy with a rubber glove that just grabs you and just pulls your f and arm off and then puts you back in the water. It's like, really, dude, trying to watch the MAVs. I'm right handed
one year. Each time a crab molts, it has the ability to regenerate lost appendage. So molting is the key to this regeneration that we haven't figured out yet. Also, we as humans are generally not in enough danger. I think for evolution to kick in and realize that we need to do a little molting and regrowth regeneration. I think we're soft, soft boys anyway, delicious crap, most important. Thank you, wake up your little sleepy head. It's time to get your stupid ass armed. Crap. Dan the most
importing things. They need to get a one armed crap toos replace just a happy dancing stone crab. I mean he's not real happy. He just had his arm severed by a fisherman. About one good arm and the one little arm that's starting to come back. I was in Corpus driving back on campus, you know, corpse Christy. There was a crab crossing the street slowly and I was letting him pass. I could have picked them up, cooked them, put some butter on him, not let him go. You said
you put mustard on your crab. You don't put just the standard butter, melted butter. No, no, that's what I'm saying. Some crab is different. You don't do butter butter sauce. I guess what are you called? Melted butter? Drawn butter? No? True? And I think this doestem from Joe's stone crabs. But it's traditionally like a mustard. I think it's a little mayo blend like a soft mustard. Is a traditional sauce? Sounds great? I actually don't love it. I prefer nice cocktail sauce.
But fantastic. Apparently we could have taught crab for a long time, and maybe we'll bring it back if we need Crab Junior later in the show. But I don't want to waste any more time before we get to what I think we can call the most important thing in the world, certainly for our lives. And it was the most important thing on Friday. We talked about it a big album release for the third and unfortunately final album from your band,
The Bastards of Soul. But Friday night was a sort of album release but viewing party for a documentary, and I guess I'd rather you you explain it than me. We thought it was, you know, to kind of you when you do these things, you know, these album released things, it's typically based around a performance when you come up with a newer band comes out with a new record, unless you're just huge. Heck, there were only Stones did one for this most recent album when they did those secret kind
of pop up shows in New York. I think they did a handful of those around the country the world. Whatever. You typically will have like a listening party in the beginning and the band will come up and play maybe some cuts from the album or do a whole set or whatever. But you have that well, unfortunately, you know, because our singer is from the Bastards of Soul passed away two years ago, it just didn't feel right to do
that. We did that already. We did that with Corners, the second album, where we kind of just played a lot of the songs as instrumentals and then we had some guest singers come up and do that. So that kind of already been done. And with this being the final record, we were trying to figure out a way to release this thing and do an event.
And there's a documentary a guy that named Paul Evettino that kind of followed the band around quite a bit and just got a lot of footage of us live and in the studio and actually directed i think our very first music video. Yeah, he did. He directed the first video of the Waiting Time shot and directed that with his team. Anyway, he's a really good filmmaker, knows his way around all of that aspect of it, camera work, editing, effects, post all that stuff. He's very adept at that.
So when I guess about a year after Chadwick passed, He's like, I've got all this footage that is, you know, just unused. I'd like to make a documentary about the band and specifically about Chadwick Murray, our singer who we lost in September of twenty twenty one, and we're like, yeah, man, go for it. He got the blessing of Chadwick's wife, Hannah, and he sallied forth with that and what we ended up doing with Paul Levatino and the band and Skin and everybody kind of involved in our little
family. So do you know what, why don't we show what you have? Maybe some clips from Europetime because it's not quite done yet. And he put together some clips from what will be a documentary and we showed those at two different screenings, one at seven and one at nine on Friday night at Albo Draft House Seaters. We were all there. We had a cocktail party upstairs. There was a DJ brought in. DJ Double Piece from Las Vegas came in and she spawn all night. We had merch for sale. It
was a good, cool vibe. Tons of people I hadn't seen since the beginning of the pandemic. Tons of people used to come to our shows. You know. It was a really special night and you were there, yeah, And I was curious what your thoughts were on the evening and specifically some of the stuff you saw in the film, because you and I sat next to each other, and I know, I spent half the movie kind of with my left hand and my face shielding the world from the fact that I
was openly weeping in a movie theater. For the good portion of that of that footage, No, me and Christina saw you crying, and we were actually like pointing and laughing the whole time at what a little baby you look like. I'm glad I had my face cover. No, we brought a listener, brought us hand kerchiefs, like professional kerchiefs that we had in our pocket. Because I knew I was in for it. I you whatever, Yeah, I mean, I know Chadwick. I knew Chadwick had some beautiful
conversations with him. I know, just to varying degrees everyone in your band. Yeah, and that that is a percentage of a fraction of your attachment obviously to all this in that project. But I was just killed by this, this film or documentary, the scenes that we saw from it, it was beautiful. I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what to expect. But essentially, it was two months before Chadwick passed away that that you guys recorded all this and you were trying to record it live to tape.
How you call it right, we wanted to do There's a couple of songs that we had that we felt didn't fit the sonic vibe overall of the records that we were trying to make as LPs. Yeah, like we're trying to kind of evolve into something a little more progressive. Like the first album
was very throwback sixties soul. The second one, I think was kind of moving into like the early seventies, and we kind of felt like we were going through a maturation and of an evolution to get a little more progressive, to get a little more dynamic, to get more in the post Motown or post early motown Stevie Wonder phase of things, where the stuff's getting a little
more advanced, a little more sophisticated. Yeah, but we had these two songs that were more throwback to old school motown, and Skin said, why don't we just record a forty five. We'll just release it. Didn't have to be on an album, We'll release it as a as a two sided single. Yeah. Brought in Paul and he shot two days worth of footage and he shot everything, you know, conversations, mixing things that just weren't specific to the actual recording of the song. So he had a ton of
footage. I think in this I know this is something you don't. I don't know if you like to talk about what you want to say, but it was covered in the in the film about the ascension of Bastards of Soul and what was what it was becoming and who's to say, No one knows, Yeah, but I think everyone around here is fans of yours and fans of all these incredible Dallas musicians were like, this is it, this is the one. It's perfect, and I hate the Bastards of Soul is such
a cool name. It's such a unique sound. No one's doing it. You guys all look cool. It's like, this is it, this is the one, And that is sort of covered in the film how that trajectory seemed to be intact, and then the optimism of you guys recording in you know argyle is that Matt is Yeah, Matt Pett's Okay was he Centraumatic? Yes, okay, that's the drummer from Centromaty. I've known him in Party with It. I'm like, I love Matt, but I just hadn't seen
him in forever. Not that his look has changed. He looked exactly, it's exactly the same. I remember leaning over to you when he first came on screen and I said, that guy right there is one of, if not the the one of my favorite people on the planet that I just don't get to see enough. Yeah, he's truly one of the best people that
I know in my entire life. Well, he was the engineer, engineer, producer, look just the to for someone all layman like me to see the procedure of how this works, you know, is always fun and the little arguments that are very passive arguments. And this is you know, among friends who love each other but disagreeing on a song, and then how to quietly argue your point respectfully because we're not actually arguing, We're just trying to
get to the same place somehow beautiful and interesting. But the point of the movie was Chadwick and his story and his ultimate passing. And you know, legacy leaves in his family and Hannah and Lennox, his wife and kid, and and I knew that was going to destroy me. I I talked to Skin and he said that you intend or actively didn't see really any of this thing until Friday night. Yeah, right, And whether it's not a place you don't want to go to, if you have the choice or can't handle
it or whatever. I mean, any excuse is acceptable. The reason that I didn't want to see it is being so close to that situation that banned those people is I My fear was that I would watch a rough cut of it. I didn't want to have any opinions of it until it's done. Because if you have opinions about something that is your, you know, part of your life, part of your work, and maybe you don't disagree, maybe you disagree with some of the choices that are being made in the film,
I didn't want to have any of that. I'd never wanted to feel compelled to be that guy that's like, hey, at an hour and five minutes, you know that segue into that is a little awkward, Or I think you lingered on this studio scene too long, or do we really need
that much footage of this in there. I don't want to have any of the opinions because number one, I'm not a filmmaker, and the last thing a filmmaker wants to hear when he's trying to go through his process is suggestions from the theater gallery of hey man, this is what you should have done. Now, this is what you really should have done. Is this? That's the last thing you want to hear. And I just didn't want to
even be tempted. I didn't want to be tempted to have the notion to pick up the phone or send a text and have any comment on the on on his film whatsoever. Yeah, and I'm glad, Yeah, because what I saw the unfinished work, this thing is going to be efing. I think it's going to be effing incredible. I'm way too close to it to really make a valid assumption of it, but I think it's going to be special. Yeah, you're right. It was excellent, incredibly well done,
brutal, I mean, you know, it's the truth though. And the footage they have of Chadwick, which we now know obviously was within two months of his passing, and while Hannah's pregnant, oh boy, there's a few spots before we even got to the end that just will buckle your knees.
And Chadwick get home Yeah, that was Some sentences are hard to say, but when they're built, you know, they have a crib they just built, you know, And he has a rocking chair that he's like always wanted this right by the window, you know, and to know that he would never hold you know, Lennox, his his kid is just it's real.
It's if even if you had never met any y'all. That's a tough story, and it's the story of a guy who who got I took it as this like finally got everything he always wanted and deserved and worked for and worked yeah, earned, And it's a lot of a lot of negative stuff to get to that he got it all. I mean he and then the ultimate cruelty. Yeah he was. He had a difficult childhood, he had a difficult high school. He was a diabetic. He went through addiction problems.
I mean, he had problems with uh, you know, with substances growing up as a lot of us did, you know. And he got a handle on that and he got sober and you know, met his wife, the love of his life that he was so excited to be married to. And they were pregnant and expecting their first child, and their child was born roughly a week or so before he ultimately passed away, and he was, you know, in the same hospital. He died in the same hospital that
his baby was born. And I never and because of COVID, because of the way the way the world was then, they didn't want any kind of cross potential for cross contamination. And Chadwick didn't ever have COVID, but he had a some weird pre existing autoimmune condition that attacked his lungs and when he was forty five years old, his life and you know, he wasn't conscious and awake and alert to be able to experience his son being born. It's
horrible. But the thing that I did find hopeful about it, and I know we're late, but I'll be very quick with this is because of the time that all of these events occurred. And I think this is pretty well represented in the film in a non ham fisted way, is that the age of everybody is a little bit older. We're not experiencing the death of our friend and our bandmate when we're twenty three, which you would have handled those
things a lot differently. The attitudes would have been differently. There is a definite emotional agility and emotional maturity in the message, if there is a message, but in the vibe of this film that when you hear people reflecting and talking about Chadwick's life, it's from a very kind of realized that these people are more realized speaking about these events than they would have been when they were in their early twenties, your early twenties, Like, yeah, man,
it was efed up, bro, Yeah, you know, we went up and got hammered that night, and it's just different. You know, that's very reflective. And I thought Matt Pence was so eloquent. I thought skins comments were so eloquent. I thought that Matt Trimble, our drummer's comments were so incredibly eloquent. Hannah's approach to it, his widow is just so it's
such a blessing to be around people that just are freaking normal adults. Yeah, you know, And I don't know, there's a sentiment there's a beauty to the film that I cannot wait for people to see this when it comes out in the spring, when it's finally done. But boy, if that's any indicator of what this thing's going to be when it's finished, I mean Pete Friedman longtime critic for Central Track and now Worksilver w FAA. He was there and he tweeted that night he says, this will no doubt be the
best film about music to ever come out of Dallas, hands down. From Pete. That is hot ass praise he will into he will. It is incredible and I was honored to sit by you and sit in the room with a lot of the people who are in that thing and be one of the people to see it first spring. I don't know. We'll keep you posted on where and when you can actually see this bad Boy, but for now, give it right back. New Bastards of Soul album just came out last
weekend. Good people, good people from this here town. All right, let's do a little sports at seven. Your cowboys just strutted into Carolina and got a damn win. How I don't know. We probably will screw around and not really talk about it, but we'll touch on Cowboys Panthers next ninety seven when the freak