Sit down beat and here's at six am this morning. I'm Kevin Turner, Danny Baylis, Mike siroyd Our, producer Day Maddie in for JJ. I know a lot of people did have to work today MLKDA Happy MLK Day to one and only. But we came in anyway. We're here to seize the ratings. We were supposed to be off. We're supposed to be all boys. You know. They tried to make us take They tried, they did, and they told us no if you if you work, you're not getting
any extra vacation days. So don't be thinking along those lines. You know what we said, we don't care deal. How can you not work after what happened yesterday? That's not what I said, Well, argue for the comp day At a later date, I said, I don't want to talk about this now. I'll go talk about this with someone else. I'll probably let's see what happened to standard. It's very stagelard, but I don't fight things anymore. You know it Socks is Carpe Omnia seize everything that was kind
of badass. He did, like the Carpe Omnibus sees everything that's kind of a badass. And now they burned it. Well, they seize the loss. Geez, that's over. I don't even know what to think, man, Jerry said, he's floored. So you know, I know we've been beating that topic in the ground. I do think something Garrett said there he will support the players and coaches for twenty four forty eight hours. That's also code for we will be having meetings, you know, and we're gonna really
think about this. And I don't know, man, there might be people going, dude, you're not gonna want once out there run it back, repair a few things. How does that work? Do you? How do you run it back? If that is the result of these meetings, And just like us, it's fresh, the wound is gaping. And like I said earlier this year, I know when they got punked by the forty nine ers, Jerry smashed the rocks glass in his hand, gritted his teeth and
said, I will not forget this. Blood trickled down in the suite. And now you went through the rest of the year, you got a bunch of wins over poor teams. Mostly what was their best win of the year, I mean, the only playoff teams they beat with the Eagles, the Rams, and one other. Seattle was, like I said, didn't make
it, but they were. Seattle was the first team with a winning record that I think they and they were only like one game over five in the playoff conversation and looking at it at all makes sense now because you couldn't win on the road, and top teams win on the road. It was given to them, but that was their that was their their best win. So you can argue that they beat bad teams. They did it sort of impressively to probably, you know, miscalculate how good they were and how good we
thought they were. And now you're the first number two seed ever to lose to a number seven seed, and you did it to the youngest team in playoff history at home, a place you haven't lost since what September of twenty twenty two. Yeah, embarrassed, Kevin. I have a question for you, and I know that your answer will be opinion and not you know, fact, sure, but okay, first thing is how this will be a
fact. How many years did McCarthy coach the Packers? So I think seven to I believe seventeen, ten years, I believe, yeah, ten years. Maybe it was eighteen. Yeah, okay, at least ten years. Here's a for a long time. Would you say that had Belichick been the coach during that span, they would have won more than one Super Bowl. That's a tough one right there. So what's wild about this is they had after the one big super Bowl, which was in year three or four of
Aaron Rodgers, okay, and he went on a gigantic heater. They were the sixth seat, like the Packers are the seven this year, and they were entering the playoffs hot and their offense could not be stopped. It was a little similar to this, to be honest. And they went through and won a super Bowl, but they nearly missed the playoffs that year, and then after that they went fifteen to one that next year and lost in the first round of the playoffs at home to the Giants. They have some terrible
playoff losses to the forty nine ers. Yeah, I would say some of those games, and maybe it's having a defensive minded coach. They're involved too, you know, I do think it would have made a difference and they would have gotten more playoff victories. I absolutely do believe that, and I can't believe him telling you of that. The twenty fourteen NFC Championship game is worth a rewatch if you're one of those people who really cares about this is
all the fits. Go watch Packers Seahawks twenty fourteen NFC Championship game and watch Mike McCarthy lose that game. And it's going to get blamed on the hands team on an on side kick for the Packers, and that's fine, but decisions were made along that game that make you go, geez, if we
didn't have nonsense going on, then we win that game. So maybe they do get to another Super Bowl. Playoff failure after playoff failure after playoff failing, dude, outside of that one year, so I don't know, man, I mean think the year they wanted it was with the Steelers too. It was one of those Ben Roethlisberger teams. It's not there playing world beaters. I got big questions about them. They've Okay, this sucks because we sit there and I were tough as last week, Like dude, when the
defense gives up, we're very easy on dan Quinn. But I don't know, it's on dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy to have these guys ready to play and both of them failed. And I don't know that dan Quinn felled us last year in the playoffs. Give up seventeen points to that forty nine Ers team. Pretty good job. So I don't know, man, there's no clear clear answer here. Is it risky? How risky is it to go? Okay? Well e scirey McCarthy. I mean you're resetting the offense a
little bit. That's what I'm asking. Like, those meetings that happened today or tomorrow as pretty standard for an NFL front office, I think to do a pretty thorough assessment of everything that happened this year. How do those meetings end with we keep Mike McCarthy. Let's assume dan Quinn is gone because he's gonna get a head coach, Like, how do you justify that? Obviously the regular season success is nice, and then you always get back to the
questioner, wait, no, we're the Cowboys regular season? Who cares we belong to the super Bowl? And that's just a weird feeling that people around here have and it's probably rooted in expectation and there is pressure on Jerry in the front office to get that goal accomplished. But how do those conversations after what happened yesterday, How does that end with them justifying Mike McCarthy just remaining
as head coach and then what's the I guess fan reaction. The truth is the fan reaction will be bitching online and then buying tickets all year next year
and ratings through the roof and nothing. You know that, which is why we the fans, empowered Jerry to continue doing exactly what he wants to do and never actually hold him accountable because all the matters is how much money is in your pocket and how much you're willing to hand over, and next year it'll be all the same bs. So we're just as much at fault as
Jerry Jones is for the state of this the malaise over this organization. If if if we lose yesterday twenty one sixteen, are we going you could just get rid of McCarthy and have Dan quinnby the head coach and figure out the offense. Probably yes, you know, yes, if the defense played well and just shined and the offense sucked, then we'd probably say, yeah, you know what, get rid of McCarthy, slide Quinn down, which help might have been in play. Yesterday before kickoff and help it could still be
in play right now, in play. It could absolutely be in play. That in two days, Michael McCarthy's fired and Dan quinn is the new head coach of this team. And you say, yeah, they had trouble in the playoffs. I don't think you can really blame injuries. I mean, losing Digs in LVE meant something. But sure, I mean lv W one of your best run defenders. Boy, that might be the favorite. Might it might be crazy and maybe you're going, well, maybe Kellen could come
back run the offense. There's a lot of things you could say. I was looking at a Vegas website right here, Belichick your leader at odds name we haven't mentioned second Nodds Bobby Slowick. He is the offensive coordinator for your Houston Texans. And I'm not gonna be one of those guys who's like, yeah, you gotta go get Bobby Slowch. Bobby slok is thirty six. He went to high school at Green Bay, but he has been a defensive
assistant. That's how he got in the league as a defensive quality control coach. But he's moved on and he was in San Francisco in some of these Shanahan years. So he was at part of that McVeigh, Matt Lafleur, Kyle Shanahan coaching staff in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen as a defensive assistant, and then he transgressed, and then he went from the offensive passing game coordinator
last year in San Francisco to the offensive coordinator for Houston this year. And you're gonna see his name and he might get hired Ben Johnson the Lions oh season, and who's gonna be get hired. But that's a type of offense and a part of this that no one wants to hear, and no one wants to hear it from me, a lifelong Packers fan. A part of what happened yesterday is you might have just ran into the wrong team at the
wrong time because they hadn't been anyone good lately. But they did go beat the Chiefs earlier in the year, and they did smoke the lines on Thanksgiving Day, and they did turn into a good team in the last two months, and Jordan Love was a top three quarterback in the NFL in the last two months in the season. Maybe you just ran into trouble and your best option is to run it back, because maybe you do. If it was in week eighteen, if Sam Darnold leads the f and forty nine ers down
the field, maybe you beat the Rams yesterday. You know. Yeah, but this this culture around here is not about giving credit to the opposing team, you know. And we haven't done that really much all day to day. And I think there's a lot of merit to what you're saying, Kevin, too. They were really, really, really good and had a superb game plan and their players played exceptionally and you'd mentioned that their two top receivers
didn't even show up. They weren't even utilized on their top two widers year incredible. But they had a great plan and they stuck to it and they
seemed to want it more. And I know that's so cliche to say that, but they came out with a puncher's mentality and they showed it from the coin toss on the decision that they made, they had a great deal of confidence that they were going to receive that kick and go and effing score and put the Cowboys behind early, which we know the Cowboys don't play well from behind, and they just kept piling on and piling on until you knew.
You knew it. What dude, we all knew it when the Cowboys were down by fifteen in our heart of hearts, we knew they coming back from this. Not the way they're looking and how they gave up, you know, the way they looked giving up fourteen points. They're not going to win this game. And it is so cowboy and Cowboy fan to be so narcissistic to believe that it's all on us. Yeah. Not, we just got whipped by a better team yesterday. And there's a great deal of truth to
that, because all you do is think who's got to get fired? Deah doesn't have it? Which it all fits. Yes, it all still kind
of makes sense. But maybe you just ran into a team that believed they were that fin team, which all feeds into why, after almost thirty years of pretty much ineptitude making the playoffs only half of those of those years and most of those appearances first round exits that this team continues to sell tickets, sell jerseys, have people racing from the front doors, running over each other to get to a spot where they can't even see the damn field, where
they are the most the highest valued sports franchise in the world in a number five market. You would think that market would have a lot to dictate there. But I mean, the Giants are in the biggest market in the country and they're two point five billion dollars less valuated than the Cowboys, And but and they haven't done crap? Yeah, you know, how is how in
the world is that it? Do? We still do? The people still keep propping up this business venture that Jerry started some thirty odd years ago because football is the most popular thing in the world. But why are the Cowboys the most popular thing in the world. Why this can't just go back to tech Shram's vision now, it can't. If the dip in popularity that should be the result of lack of performance were to happen, it would have started
happening by now. And it still holds. Oh it through the damn ceiling always. There's a reason why Baby KK is on every damn game that the that Fox gets. They're the premiere game every damn week. Why I don't get it? And the other thing I never got was they showed like the Gang Bang ready to talk to Jerry at the end of the game. Right and whoever straight hand. Oh, it's the only place you see that in
Dallas. But I mean we and even us at our previous spot, we weren't like insane critique, you know, we were fair critics of the Cowboys. We weren't like the ESPN national screaming about everything like Dallas is a kind of a chill smart radio market. But why is it? Why are the Cowboys what they are? If at least the radio outlets aren't like insane screaming, it's just the national media that kind of does that. How many owners are visible? Five? Six? How many owners of NFL teams can you
name? You've seen them? Going? Well, I can name Arthur Blank, and I can name Bob Kraft and that's you know. You start Georgia Frontier, yes, and you start running out her names pretty quickly. She's what ninety two or something like that alive. I don't think Georgia is still with us. I could be wrong. What's the Ford lady? What's a McKinley or something? I don't know? On my NFL team run by old widows old as lady widows. Yeah, I say we take the safety in
round three? I don't know, ling the ball like in my day, we ran the ball. I formation I don't know the answers these questions. Well, I don't know. Damn get it. I don't understand it. Either way. This is way more sexy than it was when they made this higher when Garrett was gone. And you know what, I'll say this to today. By the time we get to Friday, there might be people are like, you know what, this is fun, It's what it was and McCarthy needs to be the coach. Okay, I don't know. There'll be
a lot of people saying that this. I've warned people about the whole time that this is going to happen though, because he does have a lot of disappointing playoff losses on his ledger, whether his fault or not the players. I'm in the boat and let's get weird, man, because bringing back McCarthy right now boring. It is light it up, dude, dyon, who cares. Let's have fun, get weird with it being crazy. I do
not Gromo. I mean, I think that would fail, but it's you know, Ben started out witting Asness coaches his high school team the state titles. You know, I don't go have Belichick, Witton, and Dion would Deon take a DC. No, No, he wouldn't. He's got to
run the show. But like I'm just saying, get weird. I just mentioned that he popped up on that odd sheet Jim harv that I kept going think going back to Jim Harbaugh for whatever reason last night as he meets with the Chargers today, going he probably just perked up and went, Oh my god, I can't believe it. I can't believe Dallas job's opened. All
those guys. Maybe Bobby Sowick's the name, dude. Every team that has one of those McVeigh offense guys, including McVeigh, Matvilefloor in Green Bay, Zach Taylor in Cincinnati, Kyle shannan San Francisco, all those guys are running a play action pass misdirection. Mike McDaniel's in that boat. All those teams are in the playoffs every single year. Yeah, and in the case of Lafleur and McVeigh doing it on a far shorter timetable than was expected. For
sure, especially McVeigh. I mean, they went all in, gave all their draft picks up, just to sold their soul to win one Super Bowl and they're already back in it and we're tough out yesterday. Yeah, playing above their heads, and that doesn't happen here. You got you gotta make, you gotta, you gotta cut the cord here. You don't have to, You don't have to hire anyone this week, but do you, because
if you talk about the bottom line, it will not be affected. If they give their confidence the McCarthy and some press conference tomorrow and keep him, nothing will change on their bottom line, right, true, nothing. They're still gonna be worth nine billion dollars. Right. So I guess that freeze Jerry to actually do what he thinks will most likely lead to a super Bowl.
And if that is the case, you'd be you'd include saying no thanks to the winningest coach of all time who's sitting there, available and probably next to his phone today. Okay, So, as indefensible as that performance was yesterday, earlier I said I think he'll make a move within forty eight hours, and by move him in firing, not hiring. I take it back.
I think he kind of spread this out because we have said her and talked about it a lot today and then Skinner going to talk about it and Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin Gray are gonna talk about it after the MAVs game this evening with the MAVs and Pelicans today here on the freak early game and talk about this stuff. And I think those storylines are going to keep extending themselves
all week. And that is how they've continued to be number one in the world and everything, because they are always in the news for no matter what. It's rarely a quiet offseason. This is the quiet off season we've had in years. Do you think we had one Jerry sexual assault obligation? Holy was. Do you think they would fire McCarthy without having his successor essentially picked or agreed? I don't think so. I don't either, and honestly bad
business to do that. If you have McCarthy for one more year and you know he can get you twelve, let's just sit here on this twelve wins that we know we're gonna have next year, right, Not that you like McCarthy's good at building a program. He needs to go to Washington in Carolina, you know that's where he needs to get Philadelphia. If they fire Sirianni, that's good for McCarthy. Well, I don't even think we have enough time. We haven't done much DAK talk today. But then it's very wide
open. But just the does he shrink? Does he? You know he's not a big game hunter, you know, I don't know. I've seen him go win games for them too, though you have think about the means five years ago, running and getting tumped over and uh end over it and head hits the ground at the one yard line, you know, running the
ball, putting his body on the line. He's won some he's won some big games, but in one playoff win, not two two and this and yes, But the other thing is most all those other playoff losses were kind of close. Yeah, you know there was either last second or pretty close to it. Go smack man. There's also kind of no shame in losing to the forty nine ers last couple of years. No, not at all. They're really good. Not at all. This is the first one that
you expected to win. You thought you were the better team, you were at home, you had the experience both at QB and a coach, and you got throttled. Yeah, and I don't think that's something that you can go into a meeting today. If you're Jerry Jones and be like, you know, I thought about it. We're good. Does this lost taste any better if the Packers demid the forty nine ers or at least look really really good and beat them. It just does? It? Does? I think
it does? That goes back to Kevin's point, and we don't even know who this Green Bay team is, and maybe they're really good. They're on the come. Yeah, yeah, Kevin, they are. Look here's the other thing too. Okay, here's what Dak could do. You want to say, face, keep your reputation and go have a better chance of winning Super Bowls. You can take a contract extension that violates everything the NFL Players Association would want and take way less money. Pull an old fashioned Dirk Davinski.
He ain't doing that. And then they have forty million dollars to play with on free agents. I mean, because ceed's gonna go get paid like a high end top maybe the d top wide receiver in the league Micah Parsons will go get paid like the top EDG Rudger and the EDG rusher in the league when it's time. So all those things are like, well, Dak, you can make that better on your end. But at least one text or said, I blame that idiot for making that Green Bay Green Day song.
I can't stop singing America idiot without saying Noah Igbinoghany walking around my house for days now. So the Green Day cover band Green Bay Yeah, takes one bullet for this loss. We'll see if we never got to hear from the popular San Francisco cover band forty nine inch Nails yep, that we may have drummed up a song from had we still been alive. Maybe forty nine inch Nails and Green Bay will have a head to head song battle. We'll check the internet for that. We had half written and ready to go.
But also I'm hearing this. Sorry. We'll see what happens tonight on Monday Night Football, because I know I was so excited about the debut of forty nine inch Nails Megaphone. I kind of see the song from the from the other band if they win tonight from Tampa Day, Tampa Day might have had a song this week. We'll see Tampa Day. You're maybe gonna see Kevio out on inwood smashing watermelons with a sledgehammer, but that's not gonna happen now
either, so many best laid plans. It's a yeah, it's a ripple effect, McCarthy's ripple effects. Yeah. I told you guys, McCarthyism was bad. He did. Take get out of here. We're gonna be back tomorrow morning, six am. Thank you Maddie for coming in and running the running the board for us today, for Mike's Roy, for Danny Bayless, I'm Kevin, for Kevin Smith of NBC five and joining us as well. That was really cool for all of you who popped on the phones with us.
We appreciate what the been and skin show. Coming up next, we have MAVs basketball and I know Jeff Cavin and Kevin Gray are gonna have a little presentation after MAVs basketball today. So a full day of fun here on ninety seven one the Freak. We'll be back tomorrow morning at six am. Everyone be safe out there. We love you. Goodbye,