You're listening to the downbeat on ninety seven to one the Freak. How about color five? Right now? You'll want a pair of tickets to see Steve Bye and Joe Satriani at the Music Call at fair Park. Call it five May fourth, Yeah, Color one, Yeah, color three, I'm changing it. It's officially caller number three. Boy Kevin doesn't like his games challenge, does he? Oh, he puts a lot into him. He's protective of his little games. Interested in fact, there's a good point to that
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know anything. But Caller three gets to go see Steve Vay and Joe Satrianna and listen to Ben and Skin today because they have a big surprise announcement that they were excited to make. I think it did. I sort of got heart. It's gonna be huge. It's gonna be a really cool announcement. I sort of got I saw some some some artwork about it on something. This is the problem though, with having too many apps and too many things
that we're supposed to be like control of. It's so hard to know what that's what anymore sounds to me like your mouth throw to check that your ass can't cash. Yeah, huh is that how it goes? Yes, Tiger Woods is live on the range at Augusta. We have collegs live from the range. Cat Well, he's just holding a wedge. He's got to make the cut here, Danny, and he is about to swing and give a review. He's in position and he has hit the golf ball all right,
he's not wincing in pain. Good you taking Tiger to win it all. No, I'm not taking Tiger to win it all. To make the cut, though, Okay, maybe that'll be our He's playing for something this week, to set the record of twenty four made cuts. But I don't know if our guest cares about that. He might. He does. Has written two golf books. Absolutely it is ESPN senior writer New York Times best selling author Don Van, not a junior. How are you doing, Don?
It's not even Nata I almost probably I didn't answer you. Yeah, Hey, Donald, we got you. Nope, So there we are. How you doing doing great? Guys? How you doing? We're doing awesome? Man? All right, only because we just talked about it. Tiger woods make the cut, not make the cut this week, Augusta National. Uh, you can't bet against Tiger. He'll make it. He'll be what it'll be twenty five, I think, right, twenty four, twenty four to
twenty five. I know it's the record twenty five. He's tied twenty three record couples and write twenty four. Gary, so you think, yes, I guess he is at the max level experience, But good god, he just doesn't play withdraws. When he does play and he's so beat up. Man, I hope you're right. Well, we'll all be rooting for him for sure. So you're writing this book, this Jerry Jones book, and
I guess I've got a million questions about this. My first question is how do you write a book about Jerry Jones and keep it under ten thousand pages? That is going to be a challenge, for sure. You got to keep the book, you know, probably one hundred to one hundred and twenty thousand words. That's about a four hundred page book. Can't go longer than that. It'll just look intimidating to people. That is definitely a challenge. Jerry has lived a very full life, as we all know, and he's
eighty one years old and hasn't slowed down. So I'll do the best I can to tell his story and tell people new things. That's the big challenge, guys, is to I'm an investigative reporter by trade, and one of the great challenges of this book, besides the length, is to try to reveal new things about Jerry, things that nobody knows about. And so that's what I'm setting out to do. Well, I've got a million questions as well, don Okay, So how would you describe what this book is?
Is this a by a full biography of the life of Jerry? Is it a portion of his life? And is this also an authorized biography by Jerry Jones. It's a full biography. So I'm going to go back to Jerry's childhood, and his years in high school and in college at Arkansas, and you know, and and his years you know, in the oil and gas industry when he when he made a lot of money and then lost almost all of it and then made another fortune back enough money to buy the Cowboys.
So I'm going to go back into that past of Jerry. It is an unauthorized biography. Jerry is not somebody who I think he's going to cooperate with me. In fact, I feel pretty certain he'll cooperate with me in the sense that he'll sit down with me and give me time. But it is an unauthorized biography. It's not the same as the Netflix doc that Jerry is doing. That's an authorized documentary that Jerry is doing with Netflix, that docuseries.
This is going to be a little bit different from that. Okay. That makes me very happy to hear, because I find that in most cases, the authorized biography tends to have the narrative controlled by the subject. And I love that you, being such a great investigative reporter and researcher, that you're going to have, I think, a more honest take on the overall trajectory of his life. Now he is going to cooperate with you. I have no doubt. Does that kind of present a slippery slope? I guess
I'm kind of asking what's your relationship with Jerry? Because historically you have been at the forefront of a lot of unearthing some things that may not put Jerry in his you know, a family in a most favorable light. What's your relationship with him when it comes to stuff like this, considering the history of the things that you've written about him and the Cowboys. Well, ten years ago, actually ten years ago this summer, I spent the summer pretty much
with Jerry Jones and doing a in depth profile of him for ESPN. It was a TV piece as well as a lengthy long form piece entitled Jerry Football that a lot of people around our business believe was the best portrait of him and uh and since then, we have a we have a pretty good relationship. He certainly is not like some of the more recent stories I've done about
him. But I think that if you ask Jerry what he thought of thought about my work and thinks of me, I think he'd probably say that I'm I'm tough but fair and that I'm down the middle, and uh that you know, that's what I'm going to do with this book. Uh. If Jerry cooperates and I agree with you, I expect that he will and give me time and sit down with me, h and answer my questions probably more than once. You know, I'm He's not the only person I'm going to
talk to. I'm going to do, already done dozens of interviews and we'll do more than a hundred when it's all said and done. And I'm going to try to do the best, most honest portrait of Jerry Jones that has ever been written. That was the goal I set for myself when I did that profile ten years ago. And if you go back and read that, there were things in that profile that Jerry didn't love that I reported on.
So you know, my goal is to just do the best book, the most honest book, the most down the middle book about Jerry Jones again, as Danny said, you're one of the most in depth writers on some of the things he's done. Do you get blowback just through third parties or through the media, or does Jerry himself or some associate or henchman for lack of a better word, or lawyer contact you when you release one of your expose
as oh, I hear it from everybody, including Jerry. I've heard directly from Jerry on certain things, but certainly the people around him, his communications people, lawyers, you know, I will hear from them. But for the most part, even the tough stories. I did a story just a couple of years ago about the cheerleader's voyeurism scandal involving Rich Dalrymple. That was
a story, certainly that was not beloved at the Star. And yet what the feedback I heard is that people there, you know, thought it was fair. It was a down the middle portrait of a two point four million dollar settlement made to four young women who claimed that they were spied on by the former top communications guy who'd been with Jerry since nineteen ninety, Rich Dalrymple, who retired just a week before my story was published. And so I
think that readers can expect that kind of coverage from this book. You know, I've been doing this thirty five years. I've been at ESPN since twenty twelve. And the book about Jerry is it's about Jerry Jones's life, but it's also about Jerry Jones's influence with the National Football League. One of the big motivating factors for me and telling and writing this book is telling that story. Jerry has played an outsize role in the astonishing success of the NFL through
his vision and through his business acumen. And at the same time, I'm going to weigh out against nearly thirty years of futility as general manager of the Cowboys, not even making it to the title the championship by the conference championship game since nineteen ninety five, so that will also be measured. That's a story that of course is very familiar to everybody in Dallas, but that will
also obviously be part of the book because that's part of Jerry's story. Best Selling author Don Van Atta joining us here on ninety seven to one too. I want to expound a little bit on what Mikey just asked you. When you do hear blowback, when you do get feedback from you, said Jerry himself, What is the nature of the feedback if it is maybe negative?
Is it is it them challenging the facts that you presented, or is it essentially an emotional response lots of don what are you doing writing this stuff about us? Man? Yeah, I mean, I'm just kind of curious of what that dynamic might look like when when you hear back from the Jones camp. I don't think a single fact I've ever written has been challenged by Jerry directly. I think it's much more in the second part of your question of hey, what are you doing? Did you have to go there? Did
you have to do that? It's it's more like that, you know, Jerry generally has pretty favorable coverage or he's used to it. Certainly he gets a lot of criticism, but that's commentary. But it's more in that second camp of man, did you have to go did you have to go that far? Did you have to do that? And I was like, well,
yeah, Jerry, that's that's what the facts are. That's sort of what my response is, which I think he accepts, and I mean I have a sense from Jerry that he respects what I do, and even though
this is an unauthorized biography that you know, I don't think that. I think the expectation that I have is that Jerry will spend time with me, and already I have spent so much time with him and have talked with him about every aspect of his life, going all the way back to his childhood and his mom and dad, and growing up in North Little Rock and playing high school football, and his college experiences, his vision for the NFL,
you know, almost buying the San Diego charters and being talked out of it by his dad. A lot of that stuff's familiar, but Jerry and I have gone very in depth in these different moments in his life, and so I'm excited. I think that I think that the book, my hope for
the book, my ambition for the book is quite large. I wanted to tell a lot of new things about Jerry's life, but also a lot about the making of the National Football League and how this guy who you know, he had a dream in the eighties to actually it started when he was in college in the sixties, to eventually own a National Football League franchise, and to finally do it, and to do it on his terms is a fascinating
American story that I'm really excited to tell. I would say, I mean, to me, it seems like you have as much access or are as close as you as anybody without being in his inner circle or family would have access to a lot of information about him in your conversations. Would you say that there are any details anything that he has told you that he says, Look, don I know what you're doing. This is not to be written
about. Is there information that you have that you are literally not willing to go there, whether it be because out of an ethical connection or because Jerry has specifically told you, hey, this is off the record. Well off the record, I mean, you're have to be two different questions. One is whatever I find out, and if it's truthful and it's accurate, I'm going to report. I think that Jerry and the people around him know that. Certainly, if a source says off the record to me, it means
off the record, and I respect that. And there have been times in my relationship with Jerry, like a lot of sources around the National Football League or beyond, we'll say off the record, and that means off the record. But there's no area that is sort of off limits. There's no agreement
like that. That's the nature of an unauthorized book. If I were doing an authorized book, then the answer would probably be very different that, yes, this is authorized, we can't go into this aspect or that aspect. That's the agreement we have. There's no agreement like that, Jerry. I think is as I say, my expectation is sit down with me, hopefully multiple times as I'm as I'm reporting and as I'm gathering facts to talk about
various moments and and and and and. Yeah, there's there's no agreement like that that there's some area that I can't go into. This is Don Van Natta, junior of Well ESPN, Senior writer, New York Times best selling author and one of the best, most incredible writers and authors of our time. I know, it's always fascinating. I mean, you're the guy who who taught us that Jerry likes Johnny Walker Blue, you know, is a great fun fact that is stuck around from ten years from that piece up.
My question is you're talking about your book and keeping it four hundred pages so it's not too big and not intimidating from a sales standpoint. When you're writing. This is almost like editing a movie, Like you could have six hundred, seven hundred pages and you gotta chop something out or how does that even work? It is? It is, it is. Uh, there's a lot of choices to make about you know, how I want to write the book and what moments and what aspects of Jerry's life that I want to focus
on. And you know, I have a I have a pretty good outline. I mean, obviously it could change as I'm doing the reporting and I've begun writing, and I have a pretty good vision for the arc of how I want to tell the story. But it is like that, it's impossible with somebody who's been on the planet for eighty one years to get into every single moment, every single season, every single choice that Jerry has made. So I have to make choices in the narrative about how to try to tell
that story. But as I said, you guys, I want to focus a lot on Jerry as owner of the team and as visionary as one of the owners of the thirty two who helped build the NFL into what it is, but also you know Jerry's other businesses that he's been in that intrigues me. Legends the hospitality and stadium company. You know, Jerry is involved and
still involved in the oil and gas industry with Comstock Resources. So you know, Jerry's life today beyond the Cowboys and how he conducts business is something that intrigues me that you don't see a lot and about, and you know, and how he built his fortune is something that I'm very very interested in and going back and tracing that and explaining to people how he had the money to buy the team from bum Bright in nineteen eighty nine fo one hundred and fifty
million dollars than a record and it's kind of mind boggling that the team is now worth probably you know, nine and a half ten billion is the estimate, but Jerry could probably get fifteen billion dollars for the Cowboys today if he were to sell it. And that's just an astonishing success story. What makes Jerry tick, you know how he's always obsessed with making the Cowboys relevant. You know, back in twenty fourteen when I did that profile, he wanted
to draft you guys will remember Johnny Manziel. He thought Johnny Manziel would guarantee the Cowboys relevance for a decade, and we all know what happened to Johnny Manziel, what a bust he turned out to be and would have been for the Cowboys, and maybe one of the most embarrassing picks Jerry ever would have made his general manager if he hadn't been talked out of that pick in real
time. And so is the way he's constantly focused on making sure the Cowboys are relevant despite the fact the America's team they get the best ratings of any team no matter what they do on the field. Is just a remarkable story. And how he has made that happen is something I really want to try to explain, delve into and explain. Yeah, Don Van Natt, I can't think of anybody better to write that story. And it's certainly worthy because
you're right, the positives are pretty incredible too. But around here, you know, we hear a lot of the strange negative so we are obviously curious about those, but whenever it comes out, it will fly off the shelves here in DFW. While we have you on, I have to ask you. I'm a Miami native too. I know you used to work for the Miami Herald and Don Van Natta. You've probably told the story thousands of times,
but I've never heard it. He was sent by Harold editors to cover Hurricane Andrew, stayed in a comfort in that was destroyed by one hundred and sixty five on our wins while you were there, nearly lost your life. If you could and in a minute or two, as dumb as that is, tell us that story. Please. Yeah. We was fit the kid reporter as a young reporter to Miami Herald was my first job, and the Herald sent reporters all over then Dade County, Miami to cover the storm.
We didn't know where the storm was going to hit back then in nineteen ninety two, and Hurricane Andrew was this monster category five storm, and I went to a comfort in motel with my then girlfriend Lizette Alvarez, who was a Herald reporter who's now my wife of nearly thirty years, and a photographer named Carlos Guerrero. And the comfort in motel off of us one literally got torn apart by these winds. We were running from room to room as the roof
got torn off of various hotel rooms. It was the three of us and six other guests and a motel manager who knew once the eye of the storm was over the motel for us to move on the other side. He had been through a hurricane in New Warrant. I knew the winds were going to shift, and I think it saved our life because we moved to the other side when the wind shifted, and all of the rooms on the side that we're in were all torn apart. The roof was torn off of the entire
side of the motel. There were only a few rooms left and we were in one of them. And there was one point where myself and another guests were holding up felt like we were holding up the bathroom with our bare hands. So it was extremely scary. And then when it was over, though, it was a journalist dream because I was asked by the Herald to write a first person's story of surviving that storm that appeared on the front page of the Miami Herald, and I wrote it on one of those little trash eighty
computers, literally in the husk of that motel. And it was a good thing for my career because just a couple of years after that, the New York Times called and hired both myself and my wife at the age of thirty to go up to the New York Times for sixteen years before I joined ESPN. But it was a very scary moment. I appreciate you asking me about it. I haven't told that story in a while, but it was. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, no, that is fascinating. All right,
don van Natta. We'll let you go. Man. We can do this for hours on end, just on Jerry alone. But hell, all your other books incredible successes, and we know this one will be a success as well. Is it called The Star? Is that what we're going with. Yes, that's what we're going with right now. That's the working title, and I think it works, I hope. So anyway, what do you guys think of it? I loved it right when I heard it, and I told these guys and they're like, oh, is that the title?
And then yes, it fits on multiple all levels. I think, yeah, for sure. Yeah, this thing is going to soar off of shelves. Man, you're you're going to have another hit on your hands, no doubt. Well, thank you, guys. I appreciate the support and I look forward to talking with you guys when it comes out. Yea, sir, there he goes, Don Van Natta Junior man, thanks for your time. Cool, thanks guys, you good dude. There you go. Yep, if he read something, if you know that he wrote it, you
immediately go okay, gotta make time and read this. It's cool that it seems like last how many years, it's turned into that where it's like, oh, something came out about Jerry Jones. Oh really, so what is it Tuesday? Wait? No, Don Van Natta's got a story dropping. Yeah, oh you know it's gonna be deeper and yeah, good get man. That's a cool, good stuff for sure. Cool. Yeah, and we'll compound it with Dusty Sleigh tomorrow. Yeah, Danny Danger's Morning News.
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