So not to sound like an old man and talk about old man things But I think I told you this I was at the car dealership the other day And this guy was showing me all the stuff like my car could do like with the app on my phone And he was like you can set your preferences to it'll alert you if you let someone borrow the car And if they get outside a person certain radius or a certain block or a certain city
Like he was like it'll let you know or it'll let you know how fast they're going you can get alerts You can set all the parameters and I said so how many Relationships has this app broke broke up because I could totally see this Go in sideways like a girlfriend's like yeah I want to get alerts to know if my man's cheating to see if he going to some other girls house, bro Like I was sitting there thinking like the worst
Well, you know so they they'd be doing that kind of stuff and then there's also ways with Google Maps and ways and things like that Where you can all you need is access to the other person's phone and like they only need is an account what not and You can track these people through all that stuff, bro I'm sure a lot of relationships have been it because they don't track folks and then I don't I don't know if you've heard about People put like the little I what what are they called I keys?
No, no, yeah, it's like a tag a little tracker. I tag air tag air tag There you go, and they're like put them on people's vehicles and like sometimes I get the wheel well like some so I really Places you wouldn't like check and yeah, there was a whole thing where people get followed like that So I'm sure I'm sure that happens all the freaking time But yeah, what did the dealer say he just laughed and he was like well He was like if it takes this app to find that out
The relationship was probably already do from the start. I was like yeah, you're right You're right cuz it's like how'd you find out your man was cheap through the Nissan app But what's crazy is you can disable the vehicle like through the app So like they could it's like like the bait car, bro I could only imagine dog like you try to get up the next boarded after leaving your sneaky leaks house and
That vehicles disabled and a car ain't running. Yeah, the car ain't running and you know They know the location so I bet you all girls gonna be sitting there waiting for you to come on out Yeah, ladies and gentlemen If you are having to put itags on your person's vehicle or anything like that That that relationship is not the one for you But anyways, you know, we need to insert right here. We need to insert the cheater steam song, you know cheating is A crime, you know that one
I'll see if I can find it if I can find it. I put it in right here. All right perfect. All right. I'm Chris and I'm Micah And this is the donut box podcast dude We are trucking along and it is almost on the other side of August like September's coming up August went by quick Not to sound like an old man, but I'm like dude August got somewhere to be I guess and you you sounded old as it is It's all the the men's breakfast you have to attend and just No, first of all a little bit too much
You are the one could not talk because you're the man that spends his life with the senior living on granted You're doing that because you're doing it for a good cause I mean fair You're like, yeah, I was at the senior living home and they want me to join their wee bowling league like like what are you 65?
Yeah, well, I've got wee bowling in the morning But hey, it takes one to know one from one geriatric person At heart to another I can recognize that you are an old man But anyways, well, I will I will say this before we get started Micah has always had a heart for Elderly people like ever since we were teenagers like he would go to the elderly homes and just make people's day I don't know for some reason he just really connects with
Elderly people and so I think that's really cool telling you I'm an old person at heart I just I could I relate to them It's like if I could sit in my room and uh watch basic cable all day I'd be a happy camper, but anyways Uh, not really, but you know anyways, so man, we're on a free flow episode and I love free flow episodes. So, you know last few times we've been Asking interviewing probing questions to each other and guess what that's not going to change this week
Since we're on our free flow. We're going to ask each other questions. Man. I uh, wrecked my brain a little bit This week with some of these questions. So I'm excited to hear your answer on some of these Well, it sounds like you want to go ahead and start us off since you have all these questions Oh, oh, okay. Well, all right the first question that I have Uh, and this has to do with our friendship. What is a personal value or belief?
That you hold that you feel has significantly influenced our friendship Oh, that's a really good question because that was going to be a similar question that I asked you right off the bat
See, this is why we're friends. Um I I would say probably just uh, loyalty like Um, it for me, it's really hard to let people in but once I let people in Like I'm loyal to you like I'm loyal to you until you give me a reason to not be And so I think that has influenced our friendship just the fact of like, hey Like I'm just going to be around whatever you need Um, and the one thing that I do appreciate our about our friendship. It's not always about the activity
It's just about like being friends together. So like Mike and I you know, whether it's playing video games or it's doing uber eats Or it's doing this podcast or it's going fishing or whatever it is like It doesn't matter like I'm happy to just hang out with my friend like yeah Like I'll go watch airplanes and just sit there and talk like I may not care about Like the airplanes as much as my good does but like just hanging out with my buddy Uh, just talk of all
You know, we watch airplanes. So I think maybe Uh, I don't know just having that loyalty because loyalty is a big yeah, and I think along the same lines for myself is uh somebody that's uh Very trustworthy like what I like about you is you're very accountable. You're accountable to yourself sometimes to a fault Sometimes you're accountable to yourself to where it's like, hey, uh, you don't have to Be down on yourself on that. That's actually a good thing. You know what I mean?
It's like some people aren't accountable enough and you know Therefore again, if they do something that's not to your liking and you tell them, hey, that's not acceptable You know a lot of people will just blow you off or whatever. Chris is not that way
In fact, he'll try to make it right almost to a fault. You know what I mean? Like The man will bend over backwards make sure that like he'll break his back And you have to tell him like hey, it's not a big and you know that could be kind of somewhat detrimental you know with some people that try to try to mess with you and Um Trying to you know exploit that but at the same time it's like
I don't know. I could trust you a lot because I know that you know You're being genuine, you know what I mean and that if something happens, you'll make it right You know, like even if you even if you did something it's like, hey, I'm not about that which Never really happens and I think it's one of those things too, man We've known each other for so long. There's not a lot of crap talking that we can do to each other that
Is going to hurt our feelings. So there's not a whole lot that's like, hey, you offended me here But I know that if there was ever something that what were to happen I I could talk to you and be like, hey Like there's a problem and I didn't like that and like you'd make it right, you know, I mean in fact Again going to the other point. It's like I'd probably have to tell you okay. You've made it right
You can stop now. It's all good. I promise it's all good for sure. I heard this saying is like Find someone that you can trust your kids with your wife with and your Money with or your wallet with and if you can trust Yeah, if you can trust someone with those three things then That's a friend for life and that's that's for for sure true Um, so kind of going similar based off and this is I guess kind of a follow-up question and this is the question I was going to ask you
What's not like affecting our friendship boat? You said being a trustworthy person is a big deal to you But what are some other like core beliefs that is just true to who you are like true to who mic is like You say these are some of my like core beliefs trust is a big thing and then I also say that um Like you talked about loyalty is a big thing another thing for me is On it like and I guess it goes along with the trust is uh Like I So divulging a little bit
And I used to have a big problem with lying about things like I used to lie left and right in fact like I think at One point I was probably on the path to be a perpetual liar if I would say so and you know things kind of shaped me over the years and it's to the point now where it's like You've been burned by your own lies you've been burned by other people's lies to the point where The truth is very important and honesty is incredibly important
And of course that ties into trust as well. I try to be honest to a fault and that's hard to do because You know, especially in our society people don't talk about this. We've I think we talked about it when fries my donuts But sometimes you are expected to lie like let's be let's be real there is some situation Yes, there are small lies, but you know Weren't you always told don't even say white lies?
But you know how many times have you been at somebody's house and their food's terrible and you have to say? Oh, yeah, no, it's great. Right like it's you don't want to hurt their feelings So you have to lie right you can't say no, it's crap. Yeah, it definitely is and there's a lot more You know, that's that's a nuance that I can you know name off top of my head But there's a lot of other ones where you're sitting here going
You know, I'm not 100 I'm not being 100% truthful. You know what I mean? And so it bothers me those little things bother me, but I would say that and then I think worth work ethic is something else like if there's something that I feel like
If there's something that I feel like I can hang my hat on it's it's work ethic. It's like Yeah, I was gonna say nobody can say that I'm not afraid of a little bit of work Like if you if you knew anything about my life like hey, I'll say this and it's the same for Chris Even putting on a podcast every week. You can't be afraid of work Like even what we do here. This is just a side thing that we do right and it's fun for us and whatnot
But it's still work like and it's still a lot. It's still a lot of work and even though we're in a groove You know, it's still it still takes our time each week. So You know, there's things like that and um, you know, there's things like that and but at the same time Never really been afraid of that hard work and I know you haven't either I think uh two going back to where you were kind of sharing about
Like having the issue with lying. I think that was number one probably your upbringing Just because of the people that you were around but also too You were putting a lot of situations where if you told the truth it wasn't good enough So you just told had to tell people like what they needed to hear to kind of get out of it um, but I think also too like with your Gift and again, I'm not trying to go pastoral But Micah has a very like he kind of can tell things and read things and know
When things are going to happen before they happen. And so when Micah is very like, hey like This is not right or there's something off about this person like 99% of the time he's usually pretty right And so I know that can be kind of frustrating when you tell people hey We need to do this or hey something's off about this person. I'm telling you I'm telling you I'm telling you
And then people don't listen to you. So I know that's that's hard You know, probably a hundred times worse when you actually see It is frustrating when it's like everybody likes this person But there's something off about them and I don't know what it is But it's like a hundred times worse when you know what's off about them But nobody else sees it or they choose not to see it. I think that's the frustrating part too And then because what you can see
Happening is okay. You could tell who they are you could tell by okay What's happening you could tell what's coming down the road, right?
And you're going all I see is pain and anguish coming down the road for these people and that's hard But tell me tell me if you're uh, if I'm wrong But one thing I have found is similar to like hey, there's something off about this person I don't know exactly what it is and then I I'm like, oh man Like I'm just being judgmental and then what six months down the road
There something does end up being wrong with them. You're like, no What I should have trusted that gut feeling the whole time because I was right like have you ever had that happen? Oh, yeah, and it's like a major character thing too. Like it'll be a major character thing
It won't be something small like it's never something super small. It'd be something like ooh, that's pretty bad um Yeah, that that's happened quite a bit and then I don't know the other thing too is um, I don't know if you've had this But I've had people I don't know how much you feel about you know magnetism and whatnot, but Really people repel from you like I guess they're too similar or whatnot But like have you ever had these people to where you've never met them before?
But you just look at them you can look at them and go So that person and myself would not get along and like from the bat like I don't know why those people always have bad energy around you and like Or automatically don't like you or something and I don't know I'm able to peg that of like I don't know why but that person doesn't like me even though we've never spoken before It's like I could already tell we're not going to be able to get along
Like I could tell that it's so funny because whenever me and Micah are like hanging out together I think it's like that gift of discernment double because we'll both like we ain't even gotta say nothing But like we'll see something pop off or something And like we'll just look at each other and then after we'll be like are you thinking what I'm thinking and he'll be like Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of like something's off about this person or I bet
I can tell that this person's situation is x y and he was like, dude I was thinking the exact same thing and I'm like, yep This why we're friends It's like you could tell that stuff. I don't I don't know what it is. It's very it's very interesting But that that stuff do be popping up. All right. You ready for this next question. Yeah, sorry We kind of got a little deep there for a little bit Just kicking it off. It's all good. That's all good
It's our show we can do whatever we want. All right, so um the next question What if we had never met each other as friends like never met each other at all?
How do you think your life would have been for sure? I think I would have still remained in that um I wouldn't say sheltered but that shell that nerdy judgmental um state and I don't I think I would have played it Too safe all the time and again, I did play it safe a lot at in high school and middle school and growing up But I really do think like I would have kind of fallen into that very judgmental Um stay and I I don't think I would have been that well liked
Um because I mean you can attest to it. I was I was annoying. I was annoying as a kid that age Um and if something I think you helped me grow out of that like dude just like loosen up bro like it's okay to have fun um And I without going too too deep into it like right before I met you as a friend like something traumatic had happened um like probably a year or six months before and that kind of like Thinking back on it that kind of caused me to shut down as a kid and kind of be in my shell
Kind of be that nerdy like hey, I'm just gonna put my nose in a book Um this and that and so I think I would have and I was also really sensitive Like really really sensitive at that age And so dude, I'm telling you like I say this all the time But like I truly think God gave you to me as a friend because like all the storms that Like I've been through and I don't think I would have made it to be honest with you like I don't
I honestly don't know how I've made it through sometimes other than through a god and a wonderful support system Well, it was one of those things man. It's like you a cool dude one of one of my good friends Oh, mr. Adrian if you listen in what's up, dude? um, he he said at Beth and it was Dude, you're cool. You just need to figure out how to tap into that right?
And like it was the same thing. It's like nah, man. You cool and you know, I remember we It was interesting because and I know we're divulging it to like early on into friendship kind of stuff but I do remember that You had a sense of humor, right? Like you had a good sense of humor, but you almost like felt bad about laughing Right? It was almost one of those things where it's like you'd kind of laugh and it's like
Nah, bro. It's okay to laugh like it's it's cool that it's funny like it's funny to me, too It was almost like a You know, you almost had to be comfortable enough in the moment to be able to loosen up just to laugh kind of thing it was I mean You want to talk about rigid? You were pretty rigid But at the same time all the good qualities were there. It was just like like you said once you got out of that shell It was a lot. It's a lot better because once people get to know you
I mean again, most people like you. I mean 95 of people like you, but there's always that 5% That's stupid. What about you first and foremost? I've thought about this before because it's very likely that this could have happened There's you know, my father was in the military Um, we got stationed to Augusta. It's very possible. We had like three other places
We could have went right like just that move. It's very possible that we might not have You know gone And so the fact that we moved there first of all was big but like, you know, I think about okay If if we didn't and they were elsewhere hate to be dumb, but like honestly as I see it I'm not sure how it's hard because it's like I'm not sure how my life would have went I could see how yours would have probably I think you would have stayed in Augusta
I think you probably would have went to Augusta state or Stayed around there. You know what I mean? Like I don't think you would have came out here No, your side for myself It's hard because meeting my wife changed a lot of things But like without Chris, I don't know if like again kind of like you said I wouldn't have made it through a lot of situations, right?
Because there's always been something that's great about our friendship if One of us has gone through something or is going through something the other one has probably gone through it already Or is currently going through it and it's like wait, I didn't know anybody else was oh great. You are too great We could figure it out And so that's always been good. I think what's hard is it's just like without that
I don't know what life would it look like. It's really hard because It was I mean constant for so long I don't think it would have been nearly as good and I think that probably Being that only child I think that I probably would have not besieged deep friendships, right?
Like been cool with acquaintances because being a military kid You kind of have that expectations people come and go right people come and go all the time And so you don't have a real deep relationship You enjoy them while they're around and then once they're gone they're gone They're gone and that's probably how I've lived my life with a lot of friends wise, right?
Like it's cool while they're hanging out but because that's all of my other friends have been It's just like yeah, they were cool while they were around but you know now life is Tickets course and we're in all in different places my question for you and again. I'm not trying to be like Oh, I'm this boy Boy Scout same thing Whatever, but do you think you would have maybe been more
Or susceptible to fall in with a rougher crowd or do you think? Oh, yeah, sure Been like oh whoever I'm friends with where I'm friends with because that is one thing like I noticed, you know Like through our friendship like you always had that tendency to gravitate towards like Not they weren't the horrible crowd, but they were definitely like The troublemakers I would say and I think the hard part about that is it's because I always see the good in people
and a lot of times the troublemaker crowd I related to that because I got in trouble a lot at school too And you know, I did a lot of that on my own and a lot of it's misunderstood stuff and like misplaced You know what I mean? So it's like But at the same time broken people are broken people sometimes and you don't know that as a kid, but I digress the thing is
I don't know man. I think that I probably would have Um, I think there's a lot of influences that that helped me with this, but I definitely think that Um, if certain things were to happen and you know, if our friendship didn't exist I think that there probably would have been a higher possibility of me having been in prison at least once or twice By this point in my life or having a kid or having a kid
I think mine. I think a lot of mine is like kid or legal activity Like I think a lot of it would have been I don't know how to put it like I could I could see myself doing a lot of things because there was a point in time where Um, and I think it was the area we grew up in right and rap music and things like that But I really wanted to do a lot of legal activity that sort of thing
It's like make your money on the street so you can buy businesses kind of thing. But again, that was the uh I think that was kind of just the the time and what was being
Mainstreamed over to us. It's like if I would have continued on that path then you know, you know Because one of one of my ideas at least back then I don't know if I even told you this but one of my ideas And this was like eight nine years old was uh boosting cars like that's what I thought about doing was like Yeah, all and this is dumb to think about now But it's like all I need to do is just boost a few cars and I could turn them around on the black market
And I'll just that's how I'll make my money like I won't even need a job All you have to do is just steal a few and it's like that's some dumb that's some dumb thinking So, you know
If it would have continued like that. Yeah, I probably would have been in jail or prison one last thing on it But the thing is you know I had to go to church to hang out with you at least for a long time until you got a car So it's one of those things it's like that's you know, that's a lot of what kept you going to church
Maybe want to go to church. So I guess in that sense. Yeah for sure Well, though, I'm gonna switch gears a little bit and kind of ask more of a lighthearted question And then we can get back to the to the nitty gritty, but Would you rather? be able to hold your breath as long as like infinitely in space or underwater underwater Probably really I'm surprised you didn't pick space. I thought you were gonna pick space for sure underwater is dope, man
I don't know. I don't know why like I really want to get all my scuba stuff Like I really that's something that I've been thinking about here lately a lot and so um, I don't know man the ocean's a very Interesting place and I mean barring of course that you can survive temperatures things like that man, there's all sorts of stuff like you can dive between tectonic plates and Iceland and um, I mean underwater is a whole different
It's got its own eco ecosystems and all sorts of stuff, man. It's cool. I mean spaces would be awesome as well It's just I don't know man right now I guess I'm more on an ocean kick and you know how I feel about the water But I think I would pick the same thing because I do want to like if you were to explore the ocean and like the tropics and pretty places and all that stuff like it really is a whole like beautiful world down there
So if I could hold my breath infinitely and be able to explore down there I think that would be really really what what's interesting too is places you wouldn't think so but places like Alaska If you look at their coast and like under the water and things like that. It's totally different as well It's like tropical, but in a different way because it's cold. It's where it's weird um, so I'd want to see all that but
Yeah, for sure. Um All right, so it's funny that you went to a would you rather question because my next question is a would you rather question? So would you rather have an extra hour free time every day or would you rather have an extra day off every week? Extra day off every week But then again Yeah, you want that I have to like is it like hey like you literally cannot work on this day
I mean, I would say so. Yeah. Yeah, I would want an extra day off during the week. I promise you I would if I could work, uh Three 12s or 10 4s or whatever or 4 10s whatever 4 10 dude. I would I promise you I would rather work longer less days didn't have to work like Longer throughout the week. So um, because really and truly that hour free time I mean, you're not gonna feel it. You're not gonna feel it But you feel the extra day off. I'll tell you that much and so the I feel the same way
Um, bro, I had a 4 10 schedule. That was the best schedule I ever had in my entire life and especially because my Two of my days like one day off was a weekend day and then the other two were weekdays I don't know why bro. Like I hated working weekends But back in those days I used to love being off weekdays because nobody else was on this is of course pre covid when Now everybody's out and about no matter what day it is. It's like back in the day
It's like if you had a weekday off. It's like ain't nobody out. Are you gonna be the only one? Pretty much everywhere. It's great. Exactly. If I could work Thursday Friday Saturday or have Friday Saturday sunday up dude Yeah, game changer Absolutely. I'm there with you man. I'm there with you. Well, deal. All right. I have another question It's also a would you rather would because I know you would not want to go back and relive elementary school
Would you rather relive middle school or relive high school? That's that's hard I really didn't like either one of them either, but I know this sounds dumb The only really thing that I'm like, yeah, it's probably for the football aspect of it and
Probably middle school and that was because I was bigger than everybody else by like double. So it made it Uh, it was fun playing football and then it was also interesting getting yelled at by parents on the other side saying show us his birth certificate He's a grown man kind of stuff so Like back then that used to like embarrass me, but you know, of course if I if you go back with your mind's eye now
I would just that stuff is funny. It's like, I don't know why that stuff would just be funny is messed to me now I think I would do middle school because again high school was kind of
High school was rough for me. Like it it just really was um a rough time Um, but I think middle school because you still don't have that many responsibilities now It you know, it sucks that you can't drive But I feel like middle school like you don't take anything too serious like you're still trying to figure things out and like Middle school wasn't horrible for me. I know I did bigger academically in middle school
Like I got better grades in middle school than I did in high school. Believe it or not. It was also better for that as well All right, so this one's a little bit of a deep question here. What is a recent challenge that you faced? Uh, that you wish you would have handled differently and what did you learn from it? So is there a situation that you experienced here lately that you're like, man, I should have handled this a little differently
Or learned a lesson differently from it. Probably I think it would just be uh Hang in I'm trying to think Um I think there were some things like in this this these past I don't know probably through the summer was kind of a transition period for me with with my old boss leaving and me taking the reins
And so I think there was a lot of things where I was like, hey, we should do this. We should do this. We should do this Um, and I wish I would have like done that sooner because like it was kind of like, hey like I didn't have the power to do it. Um So I think maybe just fighting harder for those things and being like, hey, this would this is a potential
Uh roadblock or this is going to be a potential problem. I was right about that like Two years ago, but I wish I would have fought harder for it because I'm seeing the uh repercussions of that now um But I don't know. I think I've I've learned to handle conflict Like somewhat better I feel like I have because you know me I used to just pop off from the hip
Or I would just be passive aggressive and not deal with it all at all. And so I think I've found that balance I would like to think I have but again, I don't always get it right Um, and I I'll be the first one to admit to you. I don't always get it right And of course now that you said that it you're gonna be tested about it. So, oh, please Please not. I was tested yesterday. You already know I was tested and I don't want to get tested again
I get what you're saying. What about you? I'm gonna say by joke one first
Trust no one. No, I'm joking. No, it's I think for me. It's you know Again, it's kind of what you were talking about earlier when you were talking about gift of discernment and kind of Seeing what's around corners and trusting your gut Like, you know, one of my biggest problems that I have is The majority of time when my gut tells me something Or this is what's coming down the pipeline or this is what's happening or prepared for this
It's for a good reason. Like there's never there's never been a time where it's like, oh, that didn't come, you know that that wasn't You know, you you prepared for that for nothing. Normally, that's not what happens and so But there's too many times kind of like Chris is saying to where I push past and go. No, no, no
That can't be what's happening. That can't be what's happening and then I get to the moment It's like I somewhat prepared but not all the way because I didn't 100% trust my gut, you know And so I think for me there's there was a situation not too long ago or it's like my gut was telling me Hey, this is what's going on and um, I didn't exactly do it and You know, I was kind of half in half out and what ended up happening is um Pretty much
If you don't nip certain situations in the bud it festers a little bit and not like it's a big problem But at the same time now I'm having to take care of an even bigger problem Than before Because it didn't stand up for certain things. You know what I mean? So it's I think that's my biggest thing is trust your gut and when you see something coming down the pipe react You know what you're talking about and even if I was wrong, you know, I should have just trusted my gut on it but
I think that's the biggest thing and that's kind of a repeat one for me. I don't know. It's hard in life because You know when your gut's screaming at you to do something Um, but all the other signs are showing you other things, you know, it's it's a little tough to say. Yeah, let's do it You know, it's like, uh
I don't know at least for me. It's my next question is there and again You don't you don't have to work in the industry that they're working But is there like a celebrity or just someone that you would either like Think would be really cool to work for Or to work with the one that I've always wanted and I think as good as mark cuban I think he'd be cool to work with like I think he'd be cool Like he'll make sure you get results and things like that
But at the same time, I think it's just demanding excellence out of people and I but I think you'd be a really cool guy and he seems Pretty understanding about things like a lot of his world views a lot of his sports views um are more common man than A billionaires views, you know what I mean? So I think he'd be cool to work. I'm thinking I would like to work with cat Williams I think he would be great to work with
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like he he Has a high standard of how things should be done But he's also like cool. You know what I mean? Like he will Uh, I also think of course dinzel Uh, I he just has a wealth of wisdom that I feel like I just want to tap into like I just want to hear his opinions on Things in the world and all that good stuff. Uh I don't know. Maybe I want to work with triple h
That'd be great. He seems like he'd be a good boss. Yeah, that's the only people I have now. Here's the question Would you um, I don't know what capacity it would be in but they were just like, okay You're gonna work with the undertaker in some capacity like script writing or like not in a wrestling capacity But like maybe back in something Would you work would you like but he's your boss or like he was over you would you what would you think?
Yeah, I think he'd be cool. I also do think he would have a high level of expectation and I think if you didn't like Get it right. He would kind of push you to get it right and be like no We're doing like he would have a high level of Wanting quality and standards, but I think he'd be cool to work with on the cool though I really think ryan reynolds would be funny to work with he seems like a pretty cool guy Um outside of You know his professional self there
Um, all right, so this next one this next one's kind of interesting. Um, I think we've all played this game of Kill screw mary is what we'll call it
Um, I I've come up with my own version of this. It's called closed casual and committed and it's talking about restaurants So the first one obviously The restaurant you would close the second one you would visit casually So like I'm not eating there all the time, but I'd eat there sometimes and then committed It's like I'm eating there every like pretty much all the time for the rest of my life Ready and you know since you love to give me ones that like I hate
I'm giving you some that you hate burger king taco bell or windies Burger king taco bell and windies. I'm closing taco bell. Okay closing taco bell casually visiting burger king and committed to win because windies I I don't actually I don't mind windies to be honest with you Yeah, you don't mind. Okay. I thought for some reason I thought you didn't quite like windies, but maybe I was somebody I'm not I'm not crazy about windies, but I I
I don't mind it either that makes all right, so we'd close taco bell. I think that's the same for me Um, except I would close taco bell. I think I would casual windies and I would commit it to burger king I do burger king a little bit over windies, but burger king has gone downhill for sure But I just I'm not a huge fan of windies either. So what's my next question or what's your next question for me?
What's a story from your life that you love to tell like you like I could tell this story all the time Oh god, uh, there's a lot of those. Well, I'm not blanking right now. I don't know I feel like a lot of my stories come over up organically in conversation. Um That's why it's hard What about yourself? Do you have one up top of your head? You know, I always shared the uh, the sneaking into the movie story Um, I shared the pepper pepper spray story. That was one that I was thinking about
I was like, I do share that one quite a bit. I share the xlex brownie story quite a bit You know surprisingly enough as much as it's my favorite story. I don't share it that often the camping trip story I don't really that is it, you know, this is why we're friends. That's exactly what I was thinking I was about to say that I don't share that story a lot, but that's actually one of my favorite stories
I don't know why I like that one. It's it was fun. What what is I feel like there's got to be another one
That's like, yeah, oh, I like telling the graniteville story. Like that one's probably one of my More I think that was more like a favorite not in a funny favorite But more than an intriguing like what what was going on, you know, I mean like it still gives me that feeling of like What was going on even though we'll never we'll never know we'll never find out so next question here Would you rather win 10 million dollars today and get it in a lump sum or have a guaranteed income of 100,000
dollars a year for the rest of your life? um the smart thing would be is to get the guaranteed income of 100,000 dollars a year for the rest of my life But to be honest just with
Everything going on. I I just want 10 mil right now So I'm taking the 10 mil well and for me I'm as long as you get to keep your job and everything else I would take the 10 mil, you know, go ahead and buy a house buy Probably some new car you're like buy new cars stuff like that and try to stick the rest of the bank And if you invest it well, right or you invest some of it well Then I feel like you can get the rest of your income out of it for the rest of your life
Anyways, you know with the 10 million you wouldn't take a vacation though. Oh, yeah, I would I would take immediately like Yeah, no, no, no, I would I would take that's what I was gonna take a good vacation like because the thing is if you have 10 million dollars um You know, I've never taken a 15 grand vacation But guess what you can and 15 grand's a drop of a hat you have to be careful thinking like that But if you do one, you know a really nice 15 grand
Could you imagine having 15 grand for a vacation like I'm gonna drop 15 20 grand on this next vacation Well, then where are you gonna go on your vacation if you're spending that kind of money? What are you gonna do? Shoot, I don't know man. You know what? I do know I'd go to Bora Bora I'd go over to it to hit I've always wanted to go to Tahiti go out there in the middle of the ocean in the Pacific and
Fish for a few days. That's what I would do either take a very long cruise I don't know if I could be at sea that long or I'm going to Orlando Universal Studios and getting the top tier of everything If I'm spending that much, you know, it's interesting It's like, oh, yeah, if we spent that much money, but truth be told with you know, just because And I mean we could we could share it. We've both been pretty broke in our lives whether it's been
Children wise like when we were kids or even as adults. We've had our broke moments where we didn't have any money And so for me, I don't know even if it's like, okay, you have 15 to 20 grand Like I don't know if I would spin all that like what all would I spin that on maybe I'm more simple than that but it's like Even because think about it even if you go eat fancy meals every day, which I would not want to do right?
Could you imagine Fogo like every day? I wouldn't want to do that like that would I wouldn't want to like rich food like that that costs a lot of money to me It's good, but not all the stinking time. And so I feel like I don't know. I don't feel like I would spend it all because I feel like I would be like man
What because what else would you do? I mean, yeah, I would go to like museums But that's like 50 a person to get in right at most and just between me and you I feel like I don't belong in those places anyway Like those places like give me a good steakhouse Maybe like kind of a nicer or like a Like I'm going to the brazilian steakhouse, but that's that's about as high class as I'm getting like I'm sorry
No, it's no. I feel you and with the hotel too. Like I don't to me I don't really care that much about how like I'm not going to stay in a flea bag motel But I'm also not going to stay in a five-star hotel either like the hotel is not as Because I'm like it's just a bed for me to sleep in I could be wrong now
If it's a resort like the place isn't all inclusive resort. That's different. It's different But at the same time most hotels it doesn't matter what I mean, of course like you're talking about the flea bag motels Uh are a little different, but really the mid-range to higher end hotels It really just depends on the name like most of the time the rumor is exactly the same
You get the same bed. You get the same bathroom. You get the same setup everywhere you go It's just what name is on the outside of the hotel depends on the price and location in town, right?
and so I don't know it's That's a whole thing, but no I could I could definitely see that but I don't know I've always wanted to go to fiji to do one of those I don't know if you've seen in one of those floating tiki huts that like you you're over the water pretty much And it is one of those a lot of those are all inclusive resorts to where they you know Bring the food to you and stuff and you can just finish off your back porch and just hang out sounds great
But they're extremely expensive. It's like 10 grand for the week. It's it's like extremely expensive. So if you were to be in as a character in A tv show like you don't have to be Like one of the main characters or anything you just have to be in that world Which tv show do you really want to be a like a part of for some reason my mind says family guy I really don't know why but it's like I would like to be a character in like where would I fit in?
I have no clue, but then again, it's like where else would you be? It's like king of the hill It's like well, you're already in there. It's bobby hill. It was you as a kid I think we we've talked about this but you wouldn't want to be part of the office world
Just be an extra like in the office now. Let me ask you this We're gonna I'll match your question with the question Yes, as long as it's like The consequences aren't real right like as but if it's like, okay Say michael doesn't get in trouble say these other people don't get in trouble But maybe like you're the one that's potentially getting downsized or maybe their actions are screwing with you
I would not enjoy that. You know what I mean? Like that's not something I would enjoy But if it's like all fun loving like it is on the show and like, you know, yeah, it's being downsized But you know, it's not the full cast and like You know, whatever and you're not getting in trouble for their buffoonery then. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah I remember a couple episodes ago We asked the question if you could be in any fictional world what fictional world would you want to be in?
And I totally thought about this and I think I changed my answer But I think I would want to be in the red dead world like with Arthur Morgan and all that stuff Like I I think I'd be okay being Arthur Morgan. Like yeah, I'm gonna die But like and I have to deal with idiots, but I wouldn't mind being in that world Yeah, are you talking more the aspect to be able to go camp hunt fish? like gamble I don't know kind of do all that open world like
You have money no responsibility kind of feel to it. You mean? Yeah, I think I just want to be like Arthur Morgan's best friend but Like yeah, I know he's gonna die, but I don't want to have to deal with the idiots in the gang I don't want to have to deal with dutch bill all of those guys But I do want to just hang out with Arthur and like we'll be buddies like
Causing trouble in the other towns. Yeah going to Valentine and shooting like Also, if it was a red dead world where you can shoot up the place and then get shot And then you can come back to life and it actually doesn't matter because the shopkeepers come back to life too and everything It's just screwing around. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So you're ready for the next one closed casual and committed
Now these are places. I know that you you like or I know that you are pretty pretty decent on Texas Roadhouse Cracker barrel a red Robin. So who you gonna close casual or commit to it's a cracker barrel the one here. Love it No, it doesn't have to be it's a it's a good one say it's the one on i20 in Augusta the one that was you said Texas Roadhouse red Robin. Oh, I'm closing cracker barrel unfortunately casually committing
Casually going to red Robin and committing to Texas Road out Texas Roadhouse. Yeah I figured that was going to be the answer but see I would probably I'd probably do the same except I'd flip it I'd probably casual Texas Roadhouse and I would do red Robin as my as my committed you. Oh you you like red Robin that much Yeah, I like red Robin a good bit. They I mean they make a pretty dang good burger I'll say that now. Is it one of those things to where it's like?
So, you know me I don't go out too much anymore But they are one of the few like sit-down restaurants that I do go to Quite regularly. I would say it's on my high end. Mine is kind of weird Is there a superhero? In the whatever DC mark whatever is there a superhero that you just like I don't like this This guy or girl. I just I don't get it. I have beef with this with this hero captain Marvel Like who the hell is that that's Shazam dog Shazam. Oh captain marvel the girl or like the or the guy
No, like the the guy like the guy. Yeah, I think that's Shazam with the white uniform You know I'm talking about let me let me research this Marvel and Shazam the same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah No, no, they're different. Sorry my bad. Yeah, I didn't know who captain marvel was Who the heck is that guy? That's what I'm saying. Who is this guy and the only reason that I say that is and it all goes back to
Mortal Kombat versus DC universe. He was in that game and he sucked like he was like the worst character on there captain marvel And still to this day. I'm like, who is that guy? Like it's like, who the heck is that guy? You know who might surprise you ask me who my favorite superhero is Is and always has who is your super favorite superhero? My favorite superhero is the flash
Believe it or not. Why why the flash though? I don't know when I was a kid. I watched cartoon like I used to watch justice league like the cartoon that would come on and I don't know why flash was always my favorite character But it was mainly just because it's like man Wouldn't it be cool to have the ability to be able to run like all around the world in an instant? Pretty much or like run wherever you wanted in an instant
Um, and of course being the little kid that was really into football. I was like, could you imagine being the flash and playing football? And I don't know like that's the whole reason I like the flash And now that I got older it's like, I mean, he's okay But I guess he's still technically my favorite superhero because I don't really have a so would you rather be able to speak every language? Fluently select every language in the world fluently or be able to communicate with animals
That's a hard one probably to speak every language in the world fluently. You know me bro like like animals, I ain't about animals like that And you know what we talking animals like that. Yeah, like I want to be all up to every animal like that Like I like dogs cats like the normal ones people like see that's why you see that's why you got a friend like me It's like you take one. I'll take the other you talk to
Everybody else. I'll talk to the animals. It's like if it comes to it where we got to talk to the animals I'll talk to the animals you could talk to whoever due to the tower of babble We ain't got to worry about all that Another question. What is like the funniest moment or maybe memory that you have that we have had as friends
I don't know why and this is again. This is like the one that pops off the top of my head and nobody no No Listener is gonna understand what I'm saying But when we were sitting in Jackson, Mississippi at that catfish restaurant and you did the Rick impression Like I don't know why that was so funny Like that was a I did an impression of a guy that we used to know and what's bad is he kind of had a lazy guy And I did he did it perfect Perfect and it was a one and done
I don't think I could ever do the impression of that guy ever again, but I guess I just hit it Right, he looked he looked just like him and it was just one of those impressions Sometimes you could hit impressions just dead on and then sometimes nah, man. I was falling out of my chair It was so good It was I don't know why but whenever you whenever you asked me that question
That was the first thing that came to mind. It's one of the funniest moments. I don't know I also think about um, we've had we've had some funny moments on some camping trips That's why I love about camping too is like sitting around the fire and then That's where some of our funniest crap be coming out where we would just be talking mess and I don't know Some of that stuff is funny. Oh, yeah, just making jokes
About things and yeah, I was thinking about that. I I also thought about uh, when we were in wendy's and uh We've we shared about this guy before he was one of the guys that helped us cook with the homeless ministry His name was steve and he was like balding and he'd always say hey, how are you doing brother? Well, Micah It just came out of left field But Micah did the impression of him and he pulled his hair back
And like to pretend like he was balding just came up to me. He's like, hey, how are you doing brother?
And I fell out of my chair like laughing really really really hard. Um, and then also probably too This one was more recent when I came Uh down to visit me and my wife did uh in march and we took the microphone and we hooked it up To the preaching cords and we just started giving each other random topics to preach about and there was just some funny jokes All I'm telling you this this man was talking we we did one about dog food And he was like the alpo the kibbles and bits this man was
Oh, man, it was it was great. Uh, just like we do on the improv segment. We were doing that in real life. Um, just just to each other and so anyways Where does where does me impersonating your dad fall in the rankings there? Oh, yeah, I forgot about that That was that's probably in top five for sure. I almost killed him with that one like my joke almost killed
I did an impersonation of his dad. Uh, we we saw his dad on the highway and uh, his dad was um quite grumpy after work And he like merged two lanes to get off the highway once he saw us and so I did an impression of him and um This was in our nostriking days and chris had just taken a sip for some reason
I'm really good at telling jokes right when people take a sip like that has not changed. I still do that all the time I don't understand why and Bro, he almost I think you had to pull over didn't you because you almost choke How do you think our friendship has shaped your approach to other relationships in your life? Oh, man
That's kind of a hard question. Uh I don't I I guess maybe it's like the litmus test like hey, is this person really my friend or does this person like are they just trying to like
Use me. I don't know like our friendship has just taught me like what a true friend is Um, and so I think when I'm like, oh, yeah, this person just wanted something or you know, even Like going back to when like you helped me through the divorce and everything like hey You would point out hey, this isn't normal behaviors in someone that says they care about you and so like it helped me kind of
Like spot gaslighting pretty quick. Uh Not saying that micah gaslighted me, but he helped me through That time and we both have Gone through similar instances with people that have gaslighted us So then like it helps me recognize it a little bit easier, but I don't know you just kind of say hey like Does this person really care about you or is this person like what is a true friend? um, and so like having a friendship with micah you definitely can say that's like uh Like a true true friend
Um, and so that helps me with other friendships. I think it's definitely so Let's be real. I was not a very nice person Um when we first became friends, right? Like I didn't have a filter Whatever was on the top of my mind. I said and not just that but I was not very fair like I was very judgmental. I was also very
Um, I didn't understand people's positions. I didn't have a lot of compassion for people And I feel like a lot of those things helped me or you helped me change a lot of those things Uh, especially early on You know kind of how you alluded to being sensitive as a as a kid. Yeah, you were a little bit But what that helped me was is because I hurt your feelings Quite a few times, right? But it showed me Okay, how to have compassion for people and it helped
You know by us talking through it and things like that it helped me understand. Hey This is why this hurts people and maybe what I'm saying is it you know, I think it's okay But maybe it's not okay to them, right?
And I feel like a lot of those things if I didn't have you through a lot of those earlier times Man, I probably would have been a jerk for quite a while if we're if we're being real so It's like there was a lot of things I could definitely say that it was like there was a lot of things Um having compassion for other people or really feeling for other people You know like feeling what other people are going through because even though we would talk mess about some situations and things like that
a lot of times Again, would you be an accountable even when you were a kid?
You were like that if I would say something that was maybe out of pocket or something that wasn't very that wasn't true Or maybe wasn't fair of a person or like man, they're going through something and you're talking mess You would tell me you'd be like man, that's funny, but that's messed up Like they're they're going through some stuff and you shouldn't be saying stuff like that is like I get what you're saying, but you know
It's not like that and I don't know that stuff helped me out a lot. What is a tradition?
Uh that we have that like you appreciate. I don't know if we have like a lot of traditions But is there any traditions we have or like anything where you're like a like Or I would like to make this a tradition one that I would if we can get the time and the finances and things like that I do want to make a yearly trip to to watch a major league baseball game You know, we did it the once where we went to the rangers game and I'm not saying the rangers
You know if it is the rangers every year great But like I'm opening up to the entire mlb because I would you know if it's Houston fantastic If it's else, you know, heck if we go to Colorado and see a Rockies game, I don't care Right like as long as we you know do a yearly thing where We go catch a baseball game. That would be cool. I mean even if it's a minor league game like when y'all come down here and we go to a minor league
I don't care like I don't know. I enjoy going to baseball games with Chris. That's for sure So it's like if we can make that a tradition. I'd be down with yeah or going to uh A different six flags, right like different six flags. I would I hope that would be a tradition
I hope that would be a tradition for sure. That'd be cool. I've got another one. I'll top my head if you want to um, okay, this one's a little interesting um, so if The other person so if you or if I had to solve a world problem, right? And but it was only me that had to solve the problem. I had to solve the problem alone What problem would you say I would be best at solving? So like a massive world problem? I don't know. You know it could be whatever
What would you say like oh man, he's best suited for solving this world problem. I would say probably something along the lines with care for the elderly probably whether that's some kind I don't know whether that's like insurance or I I don't know like something maybe on the healthcare side because the healthcare sector is
Is screwed up. Well, and I and I think you kind of already I don't I wouldn't say this is a world problem, but this is kind of a problem you're you're helping with Helping elderly people understand technology and helping them with their technological needs Um, so I don't know if that's a world problem, but that is I feel like a problem Um, but yeah, no something to do with elderly care. I think Uh, if that's healthcare if that's like how to help with transition from
Living on your own to I don't know just family dynamics. I don't know but as far as like oh solving world hunger or
Like COVID or I don't know dude. Like I don't I don't know if me or you could solve any of those problems You know asking myself and that that was just something that came off top of my head, but maybe it's not a world problem, but maybe you know Because a lot of the problems that I think about is maybe a society problem here in the United States um, like something I think you'd be fantastic at if if is
Fixing our education system. Like I know that might not be something that you've ever thought about but at the same time you're very Um, you're the you know, you're you're good at whatever you'd want to do But I feel like you'd be perfect for that Because there's standards and everything else that you have to follow Most of our education system does not follow the standards like best practice standards, right?
And that's where a lot of it's gone wrong Is our curriculums all messed up and then of course the actual system itself Between private school public school everything like that Chris is one of those kind of guys If you tell him to read the book and Say, okay, we need to go buy the book I have no doubt in my mind that that system would go buy the book It would take a while But you know what I mean? Like you'd make it fall into line like it should or at least in best best practice
That's a massive problem though. I don't think I could solve that one. Oh, it's massive and it would be a lot but I you know Even if you didn't solve it I think you could contribute to the success of it and I'm not saying like quit your job and do that But I don't know why but whenever in my mind that's I think one of the areas you could do really well at and you know also having the background of a children's past a role um, I mean that's
You already have a background in early childhood education In that facet already, you know what I mean? So it's it's easily translatable. I feel like all right last question I don't know if there is one, but is there a milestone that we've achieved together that you're like proud of? or I don't I'm trying to think about like milestones that we've like neither one of us have like
We didn't do like the traditional for your graduate college to me. It's this podcast like I know I know That sounds cheesy, but man, it's like How many other people do you know in your life right now who? um Are on season three episode 30 we're on 39 right or 40 and so How many people do you know that we're pushing four seasons right how many how many people and we've Done it consistently each week for all those weeks over 150, you know So or getting close to 150
Weeks in a row so to me that's a big accomplishment. That's a big accomplishment and milestones. Yeah, I would say the podcast is a bit Yeah, I would say probably even just like our friendship together How it's weathered the storm I would probably say also too the fact that both of us are doing Uh decent I I mean we we both have pretty decent jobs and we're married to wonderful women and you know, we're we're We're doing all right like we're making it, you know, and we're uh,
We're living, you know, I wouldn't say well off but again, we're all of our bills are paid and Needs are met. I don't know. I feel like we're progressing through life pretty well
Or at least as well as we can. Um, so I think that is what I'm proud of Uh, just the fact of hey like We've we made it, you know, I think if 16 year old us would see ourselves now I think they would be proud uh just kind of of how we've grown and how we have Adapted and even just to because you know, you always have those people you look at and be like, oh, yeah You're stuck in the 80s or you're stuck in the 90s and there's part of me that's like, oh, yeah
Like I'm nostalgic for the early 2000s like I missed that time But I feel like we've adapted and tried to you know, stay current and we're not like looking back at the past We're constantly focusing on the now and looking ahead to the future What we're really trying to do is we trying to rain in because every era before us We've been before our time and been doing stuff that uh, nobody been thinking about doing and then all of a sudden it becomes a thing 10 years later
It's like we trying to rain it in to where we right on the cutting edge, you know, I mean for sure but I I will and I will say like Thankfully, you know us moving to Texas. I think helped that but also, you know those people that like they peaked in high school
And you're like, oh, bro. That was like, oh pack when I was playing football Like that's the one thing I appreciate you is like you you do talk about your football days But it's like yeah, well when I was playing football those were the glory days and this and then it's like Okay, or the college is the glory days for them and I'm like, uh
Okay, bro. And for me, it's like it was fun But it like it's like but if you told me like right now like yeah, you could go back to that heck no, bro I don't want to go back to that
I wouldn't want to go back to that. It's like I'm I enjoyed the freedom in my life right now and what I can do, you know, I mean It's it's nice being able to like Chris said something that's a blessing and a half and again I think it goes back to uh, what I was alluding to before and how we've been Broke his kids and we've been broke as adults
Um, I don't know. It's still nice like I got groceries yesterday and I don't know why it's always great When you open up that fridge and you see it full like it never gets old I don't know why like when I was a kid it didn't mean that much But like now that I'm an adult it means all that much more when you open up that fridge and you see it full It's like, oh man, it's great, bro. I'm telling you and I told you this yesterday
But I think the glory days are ahead of us, bro. They're coming up. So that's that's why we had to We had that we just been waiting all the other people that had their glory days. It's our time now Yeah, it's our time now. Keep pushing you can go back to high school. I'll be wishing I'll be you're gonna be wishing you have
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