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Flowers, seaweed and peppermint. 
Pharrell Williams, Jaden Smith and Sarah Andelman. 
Incubator, textile technology and bio tech.
Pangaia.  

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 0:18

(Lian) Cool, and welcome to the Do One  Thing Well podcast here with team Hiut.  

00:24

First up in conversation we have the  material science company on a mission  

00:29

to save our environment which is Pangaia.

00:32

(David) It's pretty amazing, I think they're  one of the most interesting companies  

00:36

on the planet right now. And so basically we're  doing this as a research project to find how to  

00:42

Do One Thing Well, the component parts of Doing  One Thing Well are many so we're going to dig,  

00:48

you know, a little bit deeper  on those things so let's start.

00:52

So it's a material science brand, so most clothing  companies don't start out that way and so the back  

01:00

story is they have been going from 2018 and  they are selling 75 million dollars, in 2020.

01:11

(Jade) Yeah, in 2020.

01:12

(David) So you would think 'oh my  god that's an incredible growth' but  

01:20

actually they spent 10 years in a lab  working out material science and so, like,  

01:26

the overnight success isn't quite overnight. Um it  took them, you know they're 13 years into it so.

01:32

(Paul) Yeah they really are so  rigorous with that research,  

01:35

purely that science is really what excites  them, it's really what they focus on.  

01:39

It's almost as if the fashion is a byproduct  of that it's um they're so committed to it.

01:43

(David) Yeah and just so we know,  'pan' means all inclusive and 'gaia'  

01:50

means mother earth so Pangaia, so that's  a little bit of stuff to know. It's good,  

01:56

what else we need to talk about?  Backstory, multiple founders...

01:59

(Jade) Yeah so there's,  Miroslava Duma, who started  

02:03

a company called fashion, sorry Future Tech  Lab, um a few years before Pangaia. And she  

02:10

then collaborated with Amanda Parkes as  another co-founder and they created a  

02:15

collective of artists and scientists and formed  Pangaia. So there isn't one soul founder,  

02:21

um, but it has kind of grown out of this  Future Tech Lab um like seed funding...

02:28

(David) Yeah.

02:28

(Jade) Um, so yeah it's grow from there,  and it's quite nice that they don't have  

02:33

one sole founder because there's not  one person to emphasise one thing on.

02:39

(David) Yeah, and so their  team is 60 plus percent women?

02:46

(Jade) Yeah

02:49

*Muffled voices*

02:52

(David) Um so they have places in London, Florence  and New York. Factories mostly in Portugal.

03:00

(Jade) Yep...

03:01

(David) Um so their three goals which are pretty  interesting, yeah, to make the impact visible,  

03:09

that's good. Uh, to work towards a better  future and to become earth positive.

03:14

Oh so the turning point let's  talk about a turning point,  

03:18

so they when they started they went to  a uh what do you call it? a festival?

03:23

(Jade) It's been nicknamed a 'brand orgy'

03:25

(David) Brand orgy, ahah so okay,  called Complex Con. I mean obviously  

03:34

con over here means different thing but um i think  over there it means conference, so that's good.  

03:41

But the interesting thing is Complex Con has  some pretty interesting people at the head of it.

03:48

(Jade) Yeah they're chaired by uh  Pharrell Williams and Virgil Abloh and...

03:57

(David and Abi) Takashi Murakami.

04:01

(David) And  

04:03

is that right, Colette's Sarah...

04:05

(Jade) Yeah...

04:06

(David) Andelman, she's involved  like she's a pretty cool cat. Yeah  

04:10

she's most places, yeah pretty good.

04:13

Okay so, but when they launched they  did this like, I don't know how you  

04:18

describe it. Like sort of um, they didn't put  a sweatshirt on a hanger and go aren't we cool. 

04:25

They did this incredible event. (Paul) It's no ordinary launch is it? 

04:29

It's um, everything, everything's been considered.  

04:32

Everything's been carried out impeccably and it's  all down to the last very detail. It's um, yeah...

04:38

(Abi) It's kind of like fashion  meets science meets nature.

04:41

(Jade) Yeah...

04:41

(David) I think that's a good way of saying it  Abi. Right, um, but it was designed by somebody  

04:48

who has some pedigree at doing this stuff... (Jade) Alexandre De Betak.

04:53

(David) And so I guess, what we're trying  to find out here... this isn't luck.  

04:59

This isn't just like an accident you know, they,  you know they go and work with some of the best  

05:04

people at what they do. Um, so that Alex guy,  he's obviously top, top notch at what he does  

05:11

and so when they launch of course  they suddenly steal the show!

05:15

(Jade) Yeah and Miroslava Duma  has been called one of the  

05:18

most connected women in fashion by Vogue. So  she's got, it's all the networking that she needs.

05:24

(David) So yeah, so pedigree you know like  is everywhere. Yeah so again not luck,  

05:31

they've got a collection of you know,  like both scientists, you know, you know  

05:35

networkers, you know website builders, you know  like uh conference, you know stand builders.

05:42

(Paul) Yeah the art in here is what is  as much as the science really, it's that  

05:45

combination of art and science is genius. It's  just bringing those two worlds together because  

05:49

again we're very used to scientists  perhaps not having that creative flow.  

05:53

They really have adopted that brought that  in, worked with experts in their field.

05:57

(David) Yeah so I mean after  launching they had to wait,  

06:00

you know like 30 days before  their turning point happened.  

06:03

So um, it was a long time, um most companies have  to wait maybe a decade but they waited a month.

06:10

So I think, you know Pharrell  wearing their stuff and  

06:13

and you know putting on Instagram that  was a big big moment for them wasn't it?

06:18

So their business model is pretty interesting?

06:21

(Jade) Yeah, they have so many different  revenue sources, but in the short term  

06:27

the Pangaia drives their revenue and then in  the long term it's going to be their materials  

06:36

and science that drive their revenue. So they're  going to patent, well they already have patented  

06:41

some of their fabrics and then they're hoping to  sell them and outsource them to other companies...

06:46

(David) So in a way like Pangaia is their advert  for their business model, which is patents of,  

06:52

you know a different way to do, you know the  technologies of you know the the clothing.

06:58

And you know, just like maybe Intel  inside was selling the technology or  

07:03

Gore-tex was selling the technology. In  a way maybe, this is what this is too.  

07:11

Because they want to make stuff for  lots of brands, not just Pangaia.

07:14

(Paul) Such a clever of business model  again, because mentioning the Intel thing,  

07:18

it's like no matter what you bought whether  like compact or something like that, quite  

07:22

named from past really. But if you had the  Intel then only it was a mark of quality and um  

07:27

when Apple took on Intel, is when they kind  of really took a jump as well, so it's um...

07:31

(David) Yeah well I think they're  selling the technology not the clothing,  

07:35

so you know I think that's where they're  really doing something quite different.

07:39

(Paul) I was gonna say the one thing  as well is they talked about they've  

07:42

been an experimentation phase and now  they're moving to the optimisation phase.  

07:45

They equated it to, imagine they are now  iPhone 1 is where they see themselves  

07:50

at. So they've broken a lot of boundaries  but they think this is just early days...

07:55

(David) And I think they do endorsements,  influencers in a quite unique way. I think  

08:02

most brands try and get an influencer involved,  they seem to do things very differently they  

08:09

have these amazing people wear their stuff  almost like organically. Pardon the pun.

08:16

And, but they don't really push those, so  they, but the ones that they do push are  

08:21

perhaps the small smaller lesser  known you know people. I don't know...

08:26

(Abi) Yeah so they're either working with  like, like makers who are on the rise like  

08:31

independent makers. So they did a collaboration  with um a Japanese woodworker which sold out  

08:36

in like 24 hours and then they also did  one with the UN environment ambassador,  

08:40

where all the funds went to the wildlife  conservation and that sold out in 24 hours too.

08:45

But then, kind of on Instagram you see the  likes of likes of Justin Bieber and Kourtney  

08:48

Kardashian. Which obviously gives a lot of hype to  

08:52

the brand, but that means that they get  to stay true to their values as well.

08:55

(David) Yeah so they're not pushing  the big influencers, they're actually  

08:59

pushing perhaps um the more interesting  

09:03

influences. So that's pretty interesting  because like not everybody's doing that.

09:06

(Jade) It's a nice position to  be in as well isn't it? Like,  

09:08

to have them endorse your clothes  without you endorsing them.

09:12

(David) Yeah, it's a great position to be in.

09:13

(Paul) Just the confidence as well, to not  want to push, to not fall into the trap. Of  

09:18

"okay Pharrell's given us all this attention,  we'll just run with this, we'll just use this  

09:21

in all our ads. We'll kind of sell ourselves out."  They really haven't done that, they've gone okay,  

09:25

that's cool, that's not what we're about  entirely. It's just part of us so...

09:29

(David) So, I think that way  then there's more depth to it,  

09:33

as opposed to "oh we got the coolest cat" when,  you know, our thing for this moment in time. But  

09:40

you know there just seems a bit more depth.

09:42

(Abi) They're the same with  their models and things.  

09:44

Different kinds of, they're all ages all genders.

09:47

(Jade) Yeah really good diversity.

09:48

(Abi) Yeah, which is quite rare.

09:51

(David) Yeah, I think what we're going to  learn in this process is to do one thing  

09:56

well you have to do many many many things  bloody well. It's not just one thing.

10:01

So visual identity, man... like they  do this really well. I mean actually  

10:06

they do a lot of things well. But  they do this particularly well.

10:09

(Paul) You know I think it's, um, again we talk  about confidence just now so, there's no make the  

10:14

logo bigger here. And in fact there's no logo at  all on the front of the shirts. In kind of pride  

10:19

of place on every kind of product they create,  is a paragraph of text and it's basically a care  

10:25

label on the outside. They're really proud of the  ingredients and they're going to show that off.

10:29

So yeah, totally against convention.  

10:31

Rather than use well, we'd always  think just use one word, use two words,  

10:35

there's 10, 15 paragraph of words. Describing  what the material is made out of and all these  

10:40

features it has. So again, just going against  convention, being really confident in that,  

10:44

really sticking true to what they do. And yeah the  logo does appear, but it's small at the back. Um  

10:50

and they're really really relentlessly consistent  with it. So whatever the product is that's  

10:55

how it's done, it's um yeah, that consistency  again combined with confidence, the repetition.

11:00

(David) And is there anyone  on the team who's particularly  

11:06

responsible for this? Is there some  person that we've found out or not?

11:09

(Paul) No, we've tried and tired I think.

11:11

(Jade) Me and Lian were looking  at this today, there is,  

11:14

because they are a collective there is no one  person who does all their social media. They have,  

11:20

they have many great people, some  who used to work for Lululemon and  

11:25

they work for some big companies but  there is not one defining person.

11:29

(David) Good, yeah well I mean, as a group  effort it's pretty incredible really. I mean...

11:37

(Paul) I think it really does work as well,  because whenever I wear anything by Pangaia  

11:42

guaranteed, because of this small text on my  chest people will come up to you and read it.  

11:46

Like curiosity definitely wins in that battle,  rather than shouting at them, yeah people want  

11:50

to come up, they want to read what's that about.  Um yeah, readers pick up an interest as well.

11:54

(David) Cool, okay...

11:55

(Jade) I also think it works with the  having the founders, like influence of  

12:01

social media. Because one of the founders used  to work for like virtual reality companies  

12:07

and so when they launched the flower down  coat, they made a sort of ad like VR type  

12:14

world that you walked into and the jacket was  there, and that was like their campaign for it.

12:21

So she was a founder, not  a social media person. Yeah  

12:24

it's nice how they make it all come  together. Science meets art, meets high tech.

12:30

(David) Yeah I think they're using their skills  

12:33

and they have different skill  sets, particularly well so.

12:35

(Paul) The only thing we haven't mentioned  quickly though, is colour as well. Yeah,  

12:39

Colours such a huge part of their visual  identity and their products and their materials.

12:43

(David) Yeah  

12:45

and just you know, like just to go with the colour  thing they have chosen seven of their colours.

12:51

(Paul) Um yeah and they have specific meanings,  it was one that was a clownfish I remember.

12:55

(Abi) Persimmon orange.

12:56

(David) Clownfish? Yeah of course,  what else would you call it? 

13:01

But seven primary colours is their palette  and obviously they go off palette as well. So  

13:06

um, but it's really well thought  through when you actually,  

13:10

you know, do some, you know, if  you deconstruct what they do.

13:13

(Lian) Absolutely and I think  it's to be able to balance  

13:18

and to be able to show that  innovation, you know the technology.  

13:25

To really, um yeah, be able to present  that really clearly is yeah so incredible.

13:31

(David) Because you know, to make  something scientific and actually,  

13:35

you know, actually you want to read it. There's  two different things, you mean "oh we've got  

13:38

a patent" oh okay snooze. But they, they're  making what they are doing like accessible.  

13:47

So I think they do that particularly well.

13:49

(Paul) I was going to say, I did, uh,  take the quote of how they did the colour.  

13:52

Again we talked about how science comes  into that and yeah it's just magic. But  

13:56

so "Pangaia's scientists take a naturally  occurring dye for example a flower with a  

14:00

red petal and sample the DNA splicing it into  a microorganism. When you grow that in the lab  

14:06

you basically feed it as part of its metabolic  process and then that organism then creates a dye  

14:11

and that's the dye they use to make the  colours. So yeah it's science fiction,  

14:15

it's um magic and yeah I don't know how they  do it, but the science is really strong.

14:20

(David) Yeah I mean they, they're literally coming  at it from a different angle aren't they. So when  

14:25

you come at something from a different angle, you  are going to appear very different to the rest of  

14:30

your world, because they're not really a clothing  company. They just happen to make clothes.

14:36

(Jade) In terms of the materials as well, they  want to own their own means of production. Which  

14:42

typically, fashion companies just don't do. So  they've said that their factories are actually  

14:47

more like micro breweries, that's how they  describe them. Because to grow micro fungi  

14:53

and these things that their using to make fabrics  you don't have a traditional looking factory and  

14:58

none of, like, the manufacturing techniques  are the same. So they basically have to try  

15:03

and blend this world of the processes  and manufacturing we already have and  

15:08

the amazing material that they're coming  up with, have to blend at some point.  

15:13

And they've said that's what has taken them so  long over the ten years to get to that point.

15:18

(David) Wow I mean I'd love to see you know  one of my factories, be great to go and visit.

15:25

Okay, so I mean, materials...  they do that well. Okay.

15:28

(Sara) Yep, so everything that they use within  their fabric is renewable or alternative  

15:35

resources or even the bio and the lab grown stuff  which we've spoken about. Um and everything's  

15:40

sustainable. But, um, their flower down is one  of the things that they've painted that we've  

15:45

mentioned before, but it's just crazy that they've  made a coat out flowers. It's just incredible...

15:53

(David) So how does that work? I mean like, so  

15:55

what any flowers? So I can just go  to my garden? Great wild flowers...

16:00

(Sara) So, they have fields of wild flowers,  but it's also a byproduct so it's not grown  

16:04

specifically for the coat itself. And then there's  the biopolymer which is made from corn which is  

16:12

combined with the wildflowers, that creates the  thermal properties for it to be warm and then  

16:17

they've got um bio aerogel in it as well which  then creates the strength of it. But all the stuff  

16:24

that they use is all regenerative resource, so it  can naturally regrow back to its full size again.  

16:32

So yeah they're not impacting the planet  but using what Mother Earth has given them.

16:37

(David) I think that's what's so interesting  about them, because they have the ability to take  

16:41

you know, some, you know we all have  those ideas "let's go and make stuff from  

16:44

like flowers" you go "oh yeah good  luck with that Dave" but they actually  

16:47

know how to do it which is slightly annoying.

16:49

(Lian) Even the Peppermint oil treatment, that  they put on their t-shirts to reduce odour.

16:55

(David)  

16:56

Oh really? ah!

16:56

(Lian) Yeah, so less water less energy.

16:59

(Paul) Yeah I was going to say how long  it took them to develop the flower down  

17:04

and I know for example, they're saying it took  them years and years like they had the idea  

17:07

and it was a real battle against the science  to make that work. It was kind of yeah,  

17:11

their passion was really there to get it over  the line. And not that I could afford one of the  

17:16

jackets, but they've got a little hole in the  back, like a transparent hole we can look through  

17:20

to see the kind of flower down as well. Apparently  it doesn't look like flowers or anything like that

17:23

(David) Oh really?

17:24

(Paul) Like potpourri was  what I was expecting *Laughs*

17:26

(Jade) It's very romantic...

17:28

(Paul) It doesn't look like that, but yeah  and again it's like you think how many  

17:32

goose down the duck down and how much of that we  

17:34

use and yeah it's not a great process  really is it? Taking it off animals.

17:39

(Jade) And the lab where  they made the flower down,  

17:42

usually works with the European space  agency. So it's like yeah even more crazy...

17:48

(David) So yeah, so their collaborations  are with like NASA and you know...

17:53

(Jade) So their just really  poorly connected basically.

17:56

(David) So yes I think the materials are, you  know like in a way, they spent most of the time  

18:03

on the material. Something you know in, in  the lab, you know, doing the research and  

18:08

um if they are gonna do all this patent  stuff and you know selling the technology,  

18:14

you know that technology is material science that  they're selling. So they've done, done it well.

18:21

Okay so we move on to the next slide,  um, and that is website and social media.

18:28

(Lian) Yeah the website is incredible. Like I said  earlier the way they are able to present products  

18:39

their innovations and the science is just so  well thought out. Just makes it so interesting,  

18:47

you actually, it's an educational um...  yeah good and I'd say it's actually  

18:52

really educational but you're shopping. Yeah  it's, um, like no other experience really.

18:58

(David) Yeah and so the lady who like was  

19:02

responsible for the website had some  experience at a museum or is it um?

19:06

(Jade) Yeah Amanda Parkes, one  of the co-founders used to work  

19:10

for the Science Museum in London. Um  doing, creating their exhibitions.

19:14

(David) So, so you can start to see all these  different skill sets from these different like  

19:20

industries are coming together to form  this thing. So this thing is not luck,  

19:25

you know, this is like, this is  like your ultimate rock band.  

19:28

You go "oh my god you got all these amazing  people like doing this stuff, it's incredible"

19:34

Social media is something they do well.

19:36

(Lian) Yeah they've got such a strong brand  identity, um again I think that's from the use  

19:43

of colours. Um yeah, all the shoots, I think that  goes, again they just merge products, colours,  

19:52

everything they're doing it just comes back into  their brand identity. And it's just so strong.

19:58

(Paul) It's that consistency again isn't it. And  

20:00

quality of execution as well, it's just  everything is, yep, very well executed,  

20:04

very rendered. There's nothing sloppy. There's  nothing that's, yeah, seems not part of the plan.

20:10

And something else they do really well  is the their version of my Hiut's,  

20:15

where they'd have people contributing shots of  themselves, selfies and things like that, which  

20:19

they use really well then. To show  how people are wearing their styles  

20:22

and again putting people like Pharrell on the  same level as somebody who just submitted, I don't  

20:27

think even if I submitted one they'd put me on  the same page but in theory they would they would.

20:40

(Jade)  

20:41

They're also really consistent with their posting,  

20:44

like they post every day, like, one grid  feed every day. And so three blocks or one,  

20:51

sorry, one image every day and they  have like about five stories a day.

20:56

(David) Okay wow, so they're pretty  active. Okay let's look at some data then,  

21:02

so I just want to, you know, like focus  on that we actually beat them on Twitter,  

21:07

and the rest they absolutely, you know,  yeah they left us a long time ago. So  

21:15

Instagram, 871 000 people. Pretty  good, um so Instagram is their main  

21:23

place, right, so yeah I guess their  main focus. Yeah, TikTok is coming up.

21:27

(Paul) In terms of doing the one thing well as  well though, for social media their strategies  

21:30

clearly we're doing Instagram. That's where  we are. I think we're at the change in the  

21:35

tide now where TikTok is catching up a  little. But their focus is on Instagram.

21:39

(Lian) They're such a visual company  aren't they? That it makes sense.

21:44

(David) And they have those colours,  the palette. I mean it is literally born  

21:49

for Instagram. It is a perfect Instagram company.

21:53

(Paul) And again because of that consistency  they don't need to think about it too much  

21:57

each time as well. They rely  on that system they built,  

22:01

in a very scientific way. In a strategic  way, but then that fuels that feed.

22:05

(Jade) And the TikTok videos, they're sort of more  fan videos reposts rather than originals. So their  

22:14

like engaging their community but they're not  spending a whole lot of time making TikTok videos.

22:19

(David) Okay so what are the lessons we  can learn then? Or have I skipped a beat?

22:27

(Paul) No no, I think we're just saying  about recapping really, about that's their  

22:30

kind of strap line they go for "designing a  better future" and I think that's something they  

22:34

generally do stick to and seem to be really  aiming for. And yeah I think we've just got  

22:38

ask ourselves what we think we've done well. And  I think a few things have come up in terms of  

22:43

collaboration and pulling experts in from  different fields, they do that really well.

22:47

Things like balance as well, I think they  do something, kind of between those fields  

22:52

then they weigh things up quite well, in  terms of not letting anyone overshadow it.

22:56

(Lian) Their confidence as well  I think, by you know putting...  

23:01

um putting all of that on their t-shirts.  I think it's just they're confident with  

23:06

what everything they do and their  transparencies super super clear.

23:11

(Abi) And also their brand mission is apparent  everywhere, from product to website to social  

23:16

media. You stumble upon them and you'd instantly  know what they look for, what they're about.

23:21

(David) I mean I actually haven't worn any Pangaia  stuff, so from a design point of view, I mean like  

23:29

my youngest and eldest absolutely love them.  I mean it's just like they don't take them  

23:33

off you know. It's pretty interesting, so  obviously they've got that aspect as well.

23:37

(Jade) I think they do want  to expand in the future,  

23:40

into, they want to collaborate with other  clothing brands. To.. so that knowing their  

23:46

audience they can market to them because maybe  you're not interested in track suits and hoodies,

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(David) But yeah I think that's where them  being a technology company will come into play,  

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so that technology can go in  many places. I think that's,  

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I think that's their big play and actually  the the Pangaia clothing company is really  

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a beautiful amazing advert for their science and  their tech and their you know their technology.

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(Paul) So that's the thing that's strange about  this is, we haven't mentioned the clothing much  

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at all and it's just like, let's just take it for  granted that that's amazing. And it's just like  

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forgetting how well they do that and how like  I said, how popular the products are and how  

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on every level they're really engaged.

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(Lian) You're buying into so much more  as well. Than the product and that's  

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a really incredible thing.

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(David) Yeah so um in short they're doing lots  of things well, but actually to do one thing well  

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you have to do many, many, many things well. And  they certainly do that. So well done to them...

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And this is our research, you know, project.  This is us trying to learn how to do one thing  

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well because that's what we want to do  so that's been good. Well done. Bumb.

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(Jade) And if you want to let us know in  the comments if there's anyone you think  

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that we should cover or think that would  be good to research then let us know!

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(David) Definitely!

   

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